Can you drink milk (are you lactose tolerant) ???

[Peterski]

There are two SNPs associated with lactose tolerance in Europeans - rs4988235 and rs182549:


MCM6 contains two of the regulatory regions for LCT, the gene encoding the protein lactase, located in two of the nearby MCM6 introns, rs182549 and rs4988235, approximately 14 kb (-13910) and 22 kb (-22018) upstream of LCT. (...) Mutations in these regions are frequently associated with lactose tolerance into adult life.

I can drink milk so - just as expected - it turns out that I have mutations in both of these regions.

In case of rs182549, C is ancestral allele and T is derived. In rs4988235, A is derived and G ancestral:


Lactose intolerance has primarily been linked to SNPs found in the introns of the MCM6 gene which turn out to have some control over the lactase LCT gene located many thousands of base pairs away.

These SNPs include rs182549 and rs4988235, for which the (T) and (A) alleles, respectively, form a haplotype predicting lactase persistence (thus avoiding lactose intolerance)

I have "CT" alleles at rs182549 and "AG" at rs4988235. One ancestral and one derived allele in each case. Each of these mutations is dominant, so one derived is enough to activate its effects on lactose tolerance.

But I've heard about people who can drink milk and expected to get derived results, but it turned out that they have ancestral alleles. So maybe there are other, still unknown, mutations which have a similar effect.

Is there anyone on Apricity who has "CC" at rs182549 and "GG" at rs4988235 but can still drink milk? :confused:

[Ülev]

but I can drink milk directly from cow, "milk" from shops is different thing

[щрбл]

Yes, because I'm not a nigga. :rolleyes:

[Prism]

If you're intolerant to lactose you ain't white.

[Poise n Pen]

I think everyone white can drink milk, and even many blacks. Just not many asians.

[DRUM]

CC on rs182549

GG on rs4988235

drink milk without problem

[Linebacker]

My diet consisnts of at least 45% milk,there is an old woman who lives closeby that has cows and when she milks them I buy regularly from her.

[Peterski]

I think everyone white can drink milk

Nope, not everyone - many Europeans are lactose intolerant.

And ancient Europeans who lived before the Bronze Age, most probably could not drink milk at all.

[gültekin]

rs182549 TC
rs4988235 AG

[♥ Lily ♥]

I like cows milk and goats milk. I also like goats cheese, plus it contains a lot more calcium than other types of cheese, so you don't need to eat much of it to get your daily calcium requirement.

(I learnt during nutrition classes in my secondary school that females need more calcium in their daily diet then men, but men require higher levels of protein in their daily diet than females.)

[Africa]

rs4988235 CC
rs182549 CC

but I can drink milk without problem

[UkrainianGirl]

I like milk... Especially chocolate milk... Or anything chocolate mmm lol.

But yeah until I moved to America I never knew people couldn't drink milk. I was like you for real? Lol

[Peterski]

rs4988235 CC
rs182549 CC

but I can drink milk without problem

Africans have their own mutations for lactase persistence, different than European.

By the way, I think it should be G not C for rs4988235 (some sources give C though).

[Aëlwenn]

I can drink milk.

[Bell Beaker]

I drink a lot of Milk.

Never had problems with drinking milk.

So therefore, White.


BANG!!!!

[Rethel]

"milk" from shops is different thing

Be buying children's 3,8% and cook it.

[tecaxco]

Yes,and I always thought that some people actually being lactose intolerant was odd.

[Pahli]

rs182549 - CT
rs4988235 - AG

Can drink loads of milk

[Dema]

I must drink 1 liter of milk each day.

[zhaoyun]

Lactose intolerance among Asians is way exaggerated. Dairy is a major part of modern Asian cuisines. I love dairy and I consumer a lot of dairy products on a daily basis from cream in my coffee, to yogurt, to milk, to butter and cheese, to creamy dishes, etc.

[Dandelion]

Lactose intolerance among Asians is way exaggerated. Dairy is a major part of modern Asian cuisines. I love dairy and I consumer a lot of dairy products on a daily basis from cream in my coffee, to yogurt, to milk, to butter and cheese, to creamy dishes, etc.

Us Euros just have been weaned too early, hence our obsession.

[Ülev]

isn't tolerance ≠ absorption of lactose?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7985635

[zhaoyun]

Us Euros just have been weaned too early, hence our obsession.

I grew up eating cheese and yogurt and ice cream, so it's normal to me. Every Asian I know can have dairy products. I wish it was a bigger part of East Asian culture from the get go, but there are many parts of China that have historically eaten dairy in their traditional cuisines though, even having local types of cheeses and yogurts, so it's not totally foreign as many Westerners think.

sure, i drink soy milk :costumed-smiley-067 (AKH NO ITS VERY DANGEROUS)
lol i love milk (cow), i can drink it raw from the cow vmya it self and its all around my beard. then i smell like a cow all day long. did i just say that? yuck

http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpxjlccJHr1qh59n0o1_500.png

[Dandelion]

I grew up eating cheese and yogurt and ice cream, so it's normal to me. Every Asian I know can have dairy products. I wish it was a bigger part of East Asian culture from the get go, but there are many parts of China that have historically eaten dairy in their traditional cuisines though, even having local types of cheeses and yogurts, so it's not totally foreign as many Westerners think.

Yes, but I wonder how easily you can drink two large glasses of milk without getting sick. Nothing I do neither though. Also, you are Northern Chinese. A land where cattle-farming was more common.

[zhaoyun]

Yes, but I wonder how easily you can drink two large glasses of milk without getting sick. Nothing I do neither though. Also, you are Northern Chinese. A land where cattle-farming was more common.

I can easily drink two glasses of milk. LOL I eat dairy a lot every day.

[Anthony PV]

Lactose intolerance among Asians is way exaggerated. Dairy is a major part of modern Asian cuisines. I love dairy and I consumer a lot of dairy products on a daily basis from cream in my coffee, to yogurt, to milk, to butter and cheese, to creamy dishes, etc.
Keyword is modern. Except for Northern East Asians — like the Mongols who drank the milk of their mares — dairy products like cheese and yogurt have, AFAIK, never been a staple of traditional East Asian cuisines.


There are many parts of China that have historically eaten dairy in their traditional cuisines though, even having local types of cheeses and yogurts, so it's not totally foreign as many Westerners think.
Cheese and yogurt are part of traditional Chinese cuisine? Really? http://r31.imgfast.net/users/3117/42/42/78/smiles/874442478.gif Hmmm... Probably the cuisine of Northern China... :p

[Dandelion]

Cheese and yogurt are part of traditional Chinese cuisine? Really? http://r31.imgfast.net/users/3117/42/42/78/smiles/874442478.gif Hmmm... Probably the cuisine of Northern China... :p

The next great conflict in China, China's future rest on the shoulders of Northern Chinese. You can't count on wimpy Southern Chinese for that job.

EDIT: And yes, I am joking. :p

yoghurt was invented by turkic people as real eurasians by the way.

[zhaoyun]

Keyword is modern. Except for Northern East Asians — like the Mongols who drank the milk of their mares — dairy products like cheese and yogurt have, AFAIK, never been a staple of traditional East Asian cuisines.


Cheese and yogurt are part of traditional Chinese cuisine? Really? http://r31.imgfast.net/users/3117/42/42/78/smiles/874442478.gif Hmmm... Probably the cuisine of Northern China... :p

It was never a huge part, but it was eaten. In the North, it was introduced by Mongols/Manchus/Uighurs. Throughout Beijing, traditional yogurt is very popular and sold everywhere.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nai_lao

In the Southwest, there are also many sub-cultures who eat it. It's not like European style cheeses though.

[zhaoyun]

Keyword is modern. Except for Northern East Asians — like the Mongols who drank the milk of their mares — dairy products like cheese and yogurt have, AFAIK, never been a staple of traditional East Asian cuisines.


Cheese and yogurt are part of traditional Chinese cuisine? Really? http://r31.imgfast.net/users/3117/42/42/78/smiles/874442478.gif Hmmm... Probably the cuisine of Northern China... :p

There are also sub-cultures in China's southwest that eat locally made cheese.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rushan_cheese

China is really a huge country/civilization, the regions vary greatly from one another, and so does the cuisines.

http://empoweredsustenance.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/avoid-soy-milk.jpg

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?190885-10-REASONS-TO-NEVER-EVER-DRINK-SOY-MILK

[Wanderer]

Yes, and I drink milk most days.

:shrug:


Only drink milk hot off the teat.

[Anthony PV]

The next great conflict in China, China's future rest on the shoulders of Northern Chinese. You can't count on wimpy Southern Chinese for that job.
Meh, Northern Chinese may be better at digesting milk than their Southern cousins but the latter are better at resisting tropical diseases like malaria than the former... So I guess everyone has his own Darwinian adaptations... :shrug:


It was never a huge part, but it was eaten. In the North, it was introduced by Mongols/Manchus/Uighurs. Throughout Beijing, traditional yogurt is very popular and sold everywhere. In the Southwest, there are also many sub-cultures who eat it. It's not like European style cheeses though.
I can visualize Northern East-Asians consuming dairy products... But I'm not sure dairy enjoyed the same level of popularity among Southern East-Asians: a Vietnamese guy once told me he was fed cow milk in secret by his parents because there was a local superstition according to which drinking cow milk makes you stupid...

[Rolnik szuka zony]

Is it true that some Balkanites can't drink fresh milk, so they use yoghurt instead?

[zhaoyun]

Meh, Northern Chinese may be better at digesting milk than their Southern cousins but the latter are better at resisting tropical diseases like malaria than the former... So I guess everyone has his own Darwinian adaptations... :shrug:


I can visualize Northern East-Asians consuming dairy products... But I'm not sure dairy enjoyed the same level of popularity among Southern East-Asians: a Vietnamese guy once told me he was fed cow milk in secret by his parents because there was a local superstition according to which drinking cow milk makes you stupid...

I dont know about you, but most of the Asians I grew up around consumed dairy products. It was never an issue. A lot of Filipinos eat all kinds of dairy.

And about traditional dairy products in Chinese cuisine, it's not just in the North, but in the SW, there were sub-cultures who consumed dairy regularly.

[Prism]

Is it true that some Balkanites can't drink fresh milk, so they use yoghurt instead?

I can't speak on behalf of all Balkan people, but for me I had trouble digesting fresh milk every now and then as a kid (when I lived in the UK) if I drank it on a regular basis in cereals for example. If I drink it every now and then, I'm fine, but on a regular basis I get cramps. Ever since I stick to what I was brought up by, UHT milk. Everybody in the Balkans drinks that type of milk and we eat loads of yogurt, as a kid (when I lived in the Balkans) I would eat greek/natural yogurt after dinner every night and at breakfast.

[Dick]

I GREW UP DRINKING UNPASTEURIZED(RAW) MILK STRAIGHT FROM A COW'S UDDER ON MY DAD'S FARM SO YEAH

[Peterski]

I GREW UP DRINKING UNPASTEURIZED(RAW) MILK STRAIGHT FROM A COW'S UDDER ON MY DAD'S FARM SO YEAH

I AM PROUD THAT YOU ARE SUCH A GOOD INDO-EUR1OPEAN !

IF NOT THAT I1 IN YOUR DI1CK, YOU WOULD BE 100% AR1AN.

[Dick]

I AM PROUD THAT YOU ARE SUCH A GOOD INDO-EUROPEAN !!!

IF NOT THAT I1 IN YOUR DI1CK, YOU WOULD BE 100% AR1AN.

:grumpy:

[crazyladybutterfly]

sure no one on my mother side is lactose intollerant

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

yes

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

http://empoweredsustenance.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/avoid-soy-milk.jpg

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?190885-10-REASONS-TO-NEVER-EVER-DRINK-SOY-MILK

Its made with soy which are phyto estrogens. Enough to not want to drink soy milk. It tastes bad anyhow

[Dick]

I DONT KNOW WHY PPL THINK ONLY BLACKS ARE LACTOSE INTOLERANT. THERE'S ALOT OF AFRICAN TRIBES THAT RELY ON COWS MILK AND HERD COWS TO THIS DAY. I KNOW ALOT OF WHITES THAT CAN ONLY DRINK GOATS MILK

[Mortimer]

My 23andme report says "likely lactose intolerant" but I drink alot of milk and eat cheese and yoghurt. I love it.

[Mortimer]

t.

Is there anyone on Apricity who has "CC" at rs182549 and "GG" at rs4988235 but can still drink milk? :confused:

Yes I just looked it up. Im CC and GG at those two but I drink lots of milk, eat cheese and yoghurt and sour cream.

[Poise n Pen]

Lactose intolerance among Asians is way exaggerated. Dairy is a major part of modern Asian cuisines. I love dairy and I consumer a lot of dairy products on a daily basis from cream in my coffee, to yogurt, to milk, to butter and cheese, to creamy dishes, etc.

Even if you are intolerant you can eat lots of dairy, just not much milk. But you look very northern anyway.

[Desperado]

I'm lactose addicted

[Profileid]

I can,but too much and an upset stomach.

[skbu]

rs182549 - CT
rs4988235 - AG

Drink milk. No probs. Boring boring.

[Aodhan]

Yes, I drink cow milk everyday and goat milk always when it is possible

[Milo]

Yes I can, and I don't know any lactose intolerant untermenschen in my family.

good to see so many milk drinkers here

[Grace O'Malley]

All 4 members of my family tested have this result:

rs182549 TT
rs4988235 AA

[Truth Preacher]

ofc, don't have any lactose intolerant people in my family either.

[EdAlencar]

rs4988235 GG
rs182549 CC

Never had any problem.

[Petalpusher]

All family

https://s13.postimg.org/n3gc9bbnr/cap5.jpg

https://s14.postimg.org/sv90q9adt/cap4.jpg


https://s17.postimg.org/6iz69dn0f/30547_Yeah_Mr_White_Yeah_science_bre_s84_P.gif

[Petalpusher]

As we would expect Sardinia is very intolerant in Europe.

http://theplate.nationalgeographic.com/files/2015/05/EX-lactoseintolerance.jpg

[cosmoo]

I can drink milk without problem, and I've never met lactose-intolerant person here in my entire life.
However, I would rather be lactose-intolerant. I drink milk and eat cheese a lot, but I definitely consider it a bad habit. Milk (contrary to popular belief) actually weakens bones. Countries that drink most milk have highest rates of osteoporosis. Milk drinking is just a few thousand years old, and definitely isn't natural. Milk meant for calves wasn't meant for us.
So, I hope I'll be able to kick this shitty habit soon.

[wvwvw]

I tolerate milk well, but, milk is full of antiotics and responsible for many cancers as well as osteoporosis. No grown adult should drink it, at least in large quantities. I stopped drinking milk ever since I was a teenager. But I do eat yogurt and cheese from time to time :D

[Myanthropologies]

I can't. It's because I'm black.

[Mens-Sarda]

I don't like it, but I can drink it without problems, however I eat a lot of cheese, mainly sheep and goat cheese (99% of Sardinian cheese is made with sheep or goat milk)

[decordoba]

I am Lactose-tolerant, according to my 23andMe DNA-test.

But I dont drink milk, cause I suffer from the irritable (colon)syndrome. I have problemes if I eat several kind of sugar - Fructose, Sorbit, Lactose?, high fructose corn syrup, saccharose, sugar alcohols in fresh prepared bread...

[Rethel]

Milk consumption:

http://cdn3.chartsbin.com/chartimages/l_1491_367cf46a4071cb556c3d59c6d96f7d9c

Lactose intolerance:

http://deivczqak0uab.cloudfront.net/fileadmin/_processed_/csm_Lactose_Intolerance_Map__with_Numbers_f2fe8329 b8.png

[Rethel]

I can't. It's because I'm black.

No. You are black, because you do not drink milk :laugh:
We drunk milk, and we are white becasue of that :p

[Prism]

I tolerate milk well, but, milk is full of antiotics and responsible for many cancers as well as osteoporosis. No grown adult should drink it, at least in large quantities. I stopped drinking milk ever since I was a teenager. But I do eat yogurt and cheese from time to time :D

Scientific studies have shown that people who drank on average a glass of milk a day lived less than those who didn't. If you haven't realised already, we humans are the only mammals than continue drinking milk after infancy, so that IMO is a good indication that it's unhealthy. Dairy products like cheese and yogurt are a different story because they are much more fermented as opposed to milk. Lucky for me though, I hate the taste of milk, I only drink it in coffee and when I eat cereal I drink the least I can, I like cheese and yogurt though.

[Shelby]

No. You are black, because you do not drink milk :laugh:
We drunk milk, and we are white becasue of that :p

Loool i saw my ex yesterday and he said like "thats a nice house" and i said "nah its brown dont u find that ugly" and so he said "eh im brown myself" and so i said yessss but in white it would be better so he just went "yea what do u want me to say"
Lool dumbass

[Rolnik szuka zony]

Is it lactose intolerance is connected mostly with cow's milk, not goat or sheep? I always thought it is problem with cow's milk only.

[Peterski]

Everyone on Apricity is lactose tolerant? 100%, really?

Or is it because I made votes public? xD

Nobody wants to be an outlier and vote "No". :p

==================================

BTW, I think that you can call yourself lactose tolerant if you can drink like 2-3 full glasses and don't feel sick.

Drinking a small amount (for example half a glass) will probably not harm you even if you are lactose intolerant.

[decordoba]

an example off topic:

I know a Japanese woman who drinks cow-milk without any problem.

Most east asians are lactose-intolerant.

[Mens-Sarda]

Is it lactose intolerance is connected mostly with cow's milk, not goat or sheep? I always thought it is problem with cow's milk only.

You are right, it's mostly connected with cow milk, but if a person in intolerant to lactose he can't drink also goat or sheep milk, even if they are easier to digest

however, the cow milk is the most difficult to digest, the easier to digest is the goat milk, it's also the more expensive because it's produced in less quantity; in Sardinia in the past the goat milk was also used to feed the newborns when the mother was unable to breastfeed them

[Sui Generis]

I dont like drink simple milk. I prefer it with some chocolate, banana or strawberry aromas. My mother used to give milk as simple or with honey to me at night like 3-4 a.m. when I was a child.

[EL_BARBARO]

I don't like it, but I can drink it without problems, however I eat a lot of cheese, mainly sheep and goat cheese (99% of Sardinian cheese is made with sheep or goat milk)


fresh goat cheese in a pot with olive oil...

that cheese got delicious after being one month more or less in that pot...

[EL_BARBARO]

I don't like it, but I can drink it without problems, however I eat a lot of cheese, mainly sheep and goat cheese (99% of Sardinian cheese is made with sheep or goat milk)


do you like requesón, btw?

[Mens-Sarda]

do you like requesón, btw?

yes, (Ricotta in Italian, Recottu in Sardinian), we made it only with sheep or goat milk, we usually consume it fresh, but also semi-aged and smoked

[Styrian Mujo]

One interesting thing I noticed is thatcoften but not always lactose intolerant folks in Slovenia are also swarthier than average.

[EL_BARBARO]

yes, (Ricotta in Italian, Recottu in Sardinian), we made it only with sheep or goat milk, we usually consume it fresh, but also semi-aged and smoked


yep, I'm an addicted of it. I'm a jonkey of requeson. Really.

[EL_BARBARO]

yes, (Ricotta in Italian, Recottu in Sardinian), we made it only with sheep or goat milk, we usually consume it fresh, but also semi-aged and smoked


With goat milk is also used to make this, really deliciuos, and very common in our cuisine, arroz con leche:


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-980mWrHM8b0/VRmyuwUZBfI/AAAAAAAAQkw/57mp2nvm0Zg/s1600/arroz-con-leche%2B(2).JPG

[Didriksson]

According to my doctor and 23andme I am lactose intolerant, just like my father, but he developed all the symptoms when he was around 30. Before reaching that age he didn't have any problems with consuming dairy. I believe that could be my case too, as I don't have any real symptoms yet, but based on the info I have, I have started to avoid any dairy that contains lactose. I have literary started to buy everything without lactose. My partner also believes he is milk allergic generally, which means he can't consume any milk at all, due to the protein it contains, as his mom has the same problem and it cause symptoms, like running nose, weird feeling in the neck, and others. Anyhow, this hasn't been confirmed by a doctor, but he gets a plugged nose every time he eats or drinks anything containing milk/dairy, even if it's lactose free. And this is why we have also started to limit the general dairy consumption.
For example, for making smoothies, we use a vegan yogurt, which works perfectly, I was even surprised how good it tasted and if I wouldn't know it's completely dairy free, I would have never guessed. I have tried to use soy and cocos milk with my coffee, but that doesn't work that well together, but I'm currently looking for alternatives that could work. When I bake, I have started to substitute butter with coconut oil and it works like magic.

[Kamal900]

Me and all of my family members from both sides are lactose tolerant. Honestly, I never met one who isn't.

[Kamal900]

With goat milk is also used to make this, really deliciuos, and very common in our cuisine, arroz con leche:


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-980mWrHM8b0/VRmyuwUZBfI/AAAAAAAAQkw/57mp2nvm0Zg/s1600/arroz-con-leche%2B(2).JPG

Looks really yummy, lol.

[EL_BARBARO]

Me and all of my family members from both sides are lactose tolerant. Honestly, I never met one who isn't.


I've met just one person. We drink milk --any sort-- as if it were water.

And Mens Sarda is right, best milks: goat and sheep, especially the first one.

[Kamal900]

I've met just one person. We drink milk --any sort-- as if it were water.

And Mens Sarda is right, best milks: goat and sheep, especially the first one.

I never drank any of those. I love to drink Camel milk with some dates, lol.

[EL_BARBARO]

Looks really yummy, lol.


Very easy to cook as well.

Any milk, but with goat milk is especially tasty, rice, sugar, lemon peel and cinnamon. Slowly boiled.

To eat cold, as a dessert.

[EL_BARBARO]

I never drank any of those. I love to drink Camel milk with some dates, lol.



Dates, one of my fav fruits. I must control my passion for them.

I'd like to eat them with camel milk once.

[Kamal900]

Very easy to cook as well.

Any milk, but with goat milk is especially tasty, rice, sugar, lemon peel and cinnamon. Slowly boiled.

To eat cold, as a dessert.

Wow, we have a similar dish in the Arab world called Mahalabiya:
https://www.google.ae/search?q=mahalabia&client=firefox-b&biw=1366&bih=657&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjxwYL_vdDPAhWEVRQKHRQIAgoQ_AUICCgB

It's also dessert.

[Kamal900]

Dates, one of my fav fruits. I must control my passion for them.

I'd like to eat them with camel milk once.

Camel's milk is actually much more healthier than Cow's milk, and it used to be the staple diet of desert Bedouins for thousands of years.

[EL_BARBARO]

Wow, we have a similar dish in the Arab world called Mahalabiya:
https://www.google.ae/search?q=mahalabia&client=firefox-b&biw=1366&bih=657&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjxwYL_vdDPAhWEVRQKHRQIAgoQ_AUICCgB

It's also dessert.


with rice?

The dish is called in spanish "arroz con leche" (rice with milk).

[EL_BARBARO]

Camel's milk is actually much more healthier than Cow's milk, and it used to be the staple diet of desert Bedouins for thousands of years.


yes, I know. Barak the camel. :)

[Kamal900]

with rice?

The dish is called in spanish "arroz con leche" (rice with milk).

Yes, lol.

[Era]

Rice pudding, every country in the world makes it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice_pudding

[Slud]

I can easily handle tons of milk, but I think it tastes disgusting so I never drink it. And it's pretty unnatural to drink another animal's milk lol, since we're the only ones that do it. I could probably chug a galloon of milk and not get sick though, I am tolerant to it, just don't like the taste.

[crimson]

Yep, not lactose intolerant.

[frankhammer]

Not lactose intolerant but I rarely drink milk bar in flat whites. Like others, love many different cheeses.

[Rolnik szuka zony]

From Molnar, 1997

http://i63.tinypic.com/2e3ny2d.jpg

[Cody Gearhart]

I'm lactose tolerant. I personally like goats milk more actually. But haven't had it in years.

[EL_BARBARO]

Rice pudding, every country in the world makes it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice_pudding




I don't know every country in the world.

[Hoxhaism]

i'm a lactose intolerant toskenigga

[TenaciousTopologist]

yes, I can drink gallons of it a week.

[Al-Meksiki]

Im lactose intolerant but I still drink milk and consume dairy pretty much daily

[Purohit ji]

i drink milk 1 liter . No problem

[Ilma]

Of course I can, I'm Norman, if I was not able to tolerate milk natural selection would have make me disappear from early age as a baby :lol:

We consume a lot of milk products for centuries here, you get used to eat and drink that since you're a baby.

BTW this is not healthy and I know it, it tends to provoke breast cancer and many problems in the long term. I try to reduce my consumption of milk and replace it with vegetal milk when I can. But I cannot live without Camembert, Neufchâtel, Livarot, Pont-l'Evêque, caramel beurre-salé, teurgoule and so on :lol:

What is ironic unfortunately for years now I became allergic to crude apple and for a Normand this is very annoying... I can still eat it once cooked / baked fortunately. But I miss the smell and taste of fresh crude norman apples.

Camembert :

http://images.monmenu.fr/images/4a429b03e237bf8d1b05eef7e62cd3d6d0dc44df96f8039d_f ull.jpg

Neufchâtel :

http://www.normandie-actu.fr/files/2016/01/Fotolia_94370221_Subscription_XXL.jpg

Livarot :

http://fromageriegillot.fr/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/fromages-livarot.jpg

Pont-l'Evêque :

https://www.lacremerieroyale.fr/pub/produits/pont-leveque-decoupe.jpg

Caramel au beurre salé :

http://www.caramelaubeurresale.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/creme-caramel-au-beurre-sale.png

Teurgoule :

http://img.cac.pmdstatic.net/fit/http.3A.2F.2Fwww.2Ecuisineactuelle.2Efr.2Fvar.2Fcu i.2Fstorage.2Fimages.2Frecettes-de-cuisine.2Ftype-de-plat.2Fdessert.2Fteurgoule-du-pays-d-auge-279853.2F3228653-1-fre-FR.2Fteurgoule-du-pays-d-auge.2Ejpg/300x225/crop-from/center/teurgoule-du-pays-d-auge.jpeg

Considering my genes, I have to check it, this is interesting for me to know :)

[Al-Meksiki]

Of course I can, I'm Norman, if I was not able to tolerate milk natural selection would have make me disappear from early age as a baby :lol:

We consume a lot of milk products for centuries here, you get used to eat and drink that since you're a baby.

BTW this is not healthy and I know it, it tends to provoke breast cancer and many problems in the long term. I try to reduce my consumption of milk and replace it with vegetal milk when I can. But I cannot live without Camembert, Neufchâtel, Livarot, Pont-l'Evêque, caramel beurre-salé, teurgoule and so on :lol:

What is ironic unfortunately for years now I became allergic to crude apple and for a Normand this is very annoying... I can still eat it once cooked / baked fortunately. But I miss the smell and taste of fresh crude norman apples.

Considering my genes, I have to check it, this is interesting for me to know :)

I've been told once that Normandy is the "Wisconsin" of France. We both have populations with ancestors from Scandinavia, we're both known for our dairy industry and especically our cheeses, and have a tradition of producing an particular alcoholic drink (Beer for Wisconsin, Cidre for Normandy). Being a native of the state, the resemblence is pretty interesting even if it's just superficial. But hey, Wisconsin was a colony of France for a long while before the Anglo-Americans drove them all out, so maybe we could have been more similar.

[Tchek]

I've got CT on rs182549
and AG on rs4988235

So I'm mid-mid, but I felt so much better once I got rid of milk.

[Ilma]

Genetically speaking now, I got this :

rs182549 : C / T

rs4988235 : G / G


Is there anyone on Apricity who has "CC" at rs182549 and "GG" at rs4988235 but can still drink milk?

Yes, I do for the second one...

What does it mean ? I see G and C are ancestral, that means I should not be able to tolerate milk ? :dunno: seems weird !


I've been told once that Normandy is the "Wisconsin" of France. We both have populations with ancestors from Scandinavia, we're both known for our dairy industry and especically our cheeses, and have a tradition of producing an particular alcoholic drink (Beer for Wisconsin, Cidre for Normandy). Being a native of the state, the resemblence is pretty interesting even if it's just superficial. But hey, Wisconsin was a colony of France for a long while before the Anglo-Americans drove them all out, so maybe we could have been more similar.

This is an interesting comparison, I didn't know that but it makes me curious :) I'd be curious to know what MysteriousWays think about it :D

[Tchek]

I've been told once that Normandy is the "Wisconsin" of France. We both have populations with ancestors from Scandinavia, we're both known for our dairy industry and especically our cheeses, and have a tradition of producing an particular alcoholic drink (Beer for Wisconsin, Cidre for Normandy). Being a native of the state, the resemblence is pretty interesting even if it's just superficial. But hey, Wisconsin was a colony of France for a long while before the Anglo-Americans drove them all out, so maybe we could have been more similar.

Are you from the Green Bay area?

[Tchek]

Genetically speaking now, I got this :

rs182549 : C / T

rs4988235 : G / G



Yes, I do for the second one...

What does it mean ? I see G and C are ancestral, that means I should not be able to tolerate milk ? :dunno: seems weird !

GG means that you might be lactose intolerant on that gene, the other one is mid-mid...

[Ilma]

GG means that you might be lactose intolerant on that gene, the other one is mid-mid...

I can eat entire camembert per day and I won't be sick :dunno: Well ok I would get sick like "ate too much fatty food" but that's it :lol:

Just noticed that I have stomache pain if I drink milk that I warmed up from microwave but it makes me same pain if I drink soup that I warmed up with it so, might be non correlated.

Warmed up milk with fire / gaz anything else is fine.

Maybe problems would come when I would get older, don't wish so...

[Al-Meksiki]

Are you from the Green Bay area?

Nah, Milwaukee

[Tchek]

I can eat entire camembert per day and I won't be sick :dunno: Well ok I would get sick like "ate too much fatty food" but that's it :lol:

Just noticed that I have stomache pain if I drink milk that I warmed up from microwave but it makes me same pain if I drink soup that I warmed up with it so, might be non correlated.

Warmed up milk with fire / gaz anything else is fine.

Maybe problems would come when I would get older, don't wish so...
I do have stomach pain with milk...
I drank milk all my life, with cereal, on coffee... once I got rid of that, I felt much much better.
I still drink milk but only occasionally I'd say.

[Ilma]

I do have stomach pain with milk...
I drank milk all my life, with cereal, on coffee... once I got rid of that, I felt much much better.
I still drink milk but only occasionally I'd say.

Well it is more healthy to reduce it, true. Specially for women. Even though it can lead to stomach and intestine cancer for men too I guess :(

[frankhammer]

No issues with milk. I only have it in my single flat white daily. I don't drink it often otherwise.

[shahenshah]

I voted no by mistake lol
I can drink milk without any problem.
Milk is one of my favourite drink.

[Kriptc06]

rs4988235 2 136608646 AG
rs182549 2 136616754 CT

:confused:

[Kriptc06]

With goat milk is also used to make this, really deliciuos, and very common in our cuisine, arroz con leche:


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-980mWrHM8b0/VRmyuwUZBfI/AAAAAAAAQkw/57mp2nvm0Zg/s1600/arroz-con-leche%2B(2).JPG

*-* OH DEAR LORD

we call it arroz dulce, thats heaven

[ЛыSSый]

i can and like, but after drink some milk i start to fart.

[Ülev]

i can and like, but after drink some milk i start to fart.

free gas resources for Xoxlostan?!

[Rethel]

I voted no by mistake lol

The moderation is needed!!!!!!!!! Helloooo, any body in the hall????

[Grab the Gauge]

I drink about 1 gallon of milk a day, usually chocolate milk, because it reminds me of Crazyladybutterfly's breast milk. I weigh 315 pounds.

[ЛыSSый]

free gas resources for Xoxlostan?!

secret weapon.

[Pennywise]

Of course I can. A Turkic with lactose intolarance is not a real Turkic.

[Rethel]

Of course I can. A Turkic with lactose intolarance is not a real Turkic.

Rather opposite.
True heimatish Turks are almost 100% intolerant...
Fake Turks up to 80% anyway...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/27/Worldwide_prevalence_of_lactose_intolerance_in_rec ent_populations.jpg/800px-Worldwide_prevalence_of_lactose_intolerance_in_rec ent_populations.jpg

[Ülev]

^^ I1 master race

[ЛыSSый]

^^ I1 master race

http://cs9.pikabu.ru/post_img/big/2017/04/04/7/149130704514357396.jpg

[Rethel]

^^ I1 master race

Nope.


http://cs9.pikabu.ru/post_img/big/2017/04/04/7/149130704514357396.jpg

And nope.

[Root]

Sure! Milk and all milk products nom nom nom ;D

[ЛыSSый]

Nope.



And nope.

yeah, ok

http://cs5.pikabu.ru/post_img/big/2015/04/08/8/1428500726_1321575788.jpg

[Pennywise]

Rather opposite.
True heimatish Turks are almost 100% intolerant...
Fake Turks up to 80% anyway...



I don't even know what the fuck are you talking about imbecile.

[Rethel]

I don't even know what the fuck are you talking about imbecile.

Maybe becasue you have average muslim IQ 85... :laugh:

[♥ Lily ♥]

Hi, I think I've already replied on this thread somewhile ago that I can tolerate cow's milk and goat's cheese products.

But I was just wondering what you think about consuming human breast milk in ice-cream?

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?149538-Ice-Cream-Parlour-Selling-Ice-Creams-Made-From-Human-Breast-Milk-Closed-In-Westminster-City-London

[The Illyrian Warrior]

CC & GG, lactose intolerant, I had difficulties to digest milk but got used as I drank more regularly.

[Laberia]

Rather opposite.
True heimatish Turks are almost 100% intolerant...
Fake Turks up to 80% anyway...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/27/Worldwide_prevalence_of_lactose_intolerance_in_rec ent_populations.jpg/800px-Worldwide_prevalence_of_lactose_intolerance_in_rec ent_populations.jpg

I think your map is crap. I see part of the world which population is know as shepherds. For millennia their life is related to sheeps, milk, yogurt, etc.

[Seya]

I think your map is crap. I see part of the world which population is know as shepherds. For millennia their life is related to sheeps, milk, yogurt, etc.

it refers to the fresh milk only...and not the fermented one like cheese, yogurt and so on..

[Seya]

CC & GG, lactose intolerant, I had difficulties to digest milk but got used as I drank more regularly.

exactly...u become lactose intolerant if u don't drink or stop drinking fresh milk...asians don't have in their culture to drink milk and, in time, they may have become lactose intolerants...

[rhiannon]

Nope, not everyone - many Europeans are lactose intolerant.

And ancient Europeans who lived before the Bronze Age, most probably could not drink milk at all.

I'm not, but my husband is mildly lactose intolerant.

[Truth Preacher]

exactly...u become lactose intolerant if u don't drink or stop drinking fresh milk...asians don't have in their culture to drink milk and, in time, they may have become lactose intolerants...

I think it's mainly east/south East Asians who don't have a lot of milk or milk related products in their diets.


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[Laberia]

it refers to the fresh milk only...and not the fermented one like cheese, yogurt and so on..

OK, i understand but this are populations who for millennia have lived on pastoralism. Among other things, the milk was always part of their diet.
Anyway, i am not an expert in this issue. But i like milk and all the products of milk.
In our home we don't buy milk in the market.Every morning comes a farmer from a village near my city, and he brings us milk, we buy it from him. Always fresh milk. Part of it we consume like milk, while with the rest mom make yogurt.

[Seya]

OK, i understand but this are populations who for millennia have lived on pastoralism. Among other things, the milk was always part of their diet.
Anyway, i am not an expert in this issue. But i like milk and all the products of milk.
In our home we don't buy milk in the market.Every morning comes a farmer from a village near my city, and he brings us milk, we buy it from him. Always fresh milk. Part of it we consume like milk, while with the rest mom made yogurt.

yes..but see..romanians are shepherds at origins and they do consume a lot of milk and other dairy product but still i was milk intolerant until recently. i cured it by drinking homemade kefir and small quantities of milk. the problem is gone now.

[Rethel]

yes..but see..romanians are shepherds at origins and they do consume a lot of milk and other dairy product but still i was milk intolerant until recently. i cured it by drinking homemade kefir and small quantities of milk. the problem is gone now.

Maybe you was protein-allwergic or something similar
or you have problem with intestines. Therer is many
things, which are often confused with lactose intolerance.

[Seya]

Maybe you was protein-allwergic or something similar
or you have problem with intestines. Therer is many
things, which are often confused with lactose intolerance.

it was related to the fresh milk only..i have no other problems at all

[Ülev]

fresh milk directly from cow


https://youtu.be/nBfj6hq6nzY

[GiCa]

i've always drank milk till now. no problem, thught maybe the digestion of milk in me is more slower than other foods

[de Burgh II]

rs182549 CT

rs4988235 AG

No problem here drinking milk broski! :p

[Smitty]

I don't really know. When I was a baby, I had issues with breastmilk. Apparently, I screamed like crazy after being fed. I had to drink goat's milk. Later on, my mom thought I was allergic to cheese (imagine pizza without cheese, and you'll get an idea of my diet :laugh:). As an adult, though, I eat pretty much anything, and if I have adverse effects from dairy, I haven't noticed a direct correlation. I'd be curious to know what my problem was and if I still have it.

[Rethel]

fresh milk directly from cow

A Jarek mówił, że koty nie pijoo melka...

[Rethel]

it was related to the fresh milk only..i have no other problems at all

And when you boiled it, the protein is gone, so, you can drink.
Lactose intolerance include also boiled milk.

[Seya]

And when you boiled it, the protein is gone, so, you can drink.
Lactose intolerance include also boiled milk.

sure it does..by fresh milk i meant unfermented

[Rethel]

sure it does..by fresh milk i meant unfermented

So it is not LI.

[Peter Nirsch]

Lactoise tolerance has nothing to spare with races and ethnicities...anyone who doesn't eat milk derivates lost his capacity to assimilate lactoise.
For example in my family the only one intolerant to lactoise is my sister, her intolerance is the consequence of the reason she doesn't like to drink milk.

[Pennywise]

it refers to the fresh milk only...and not the fermented one like cheese, yogurt and so on..

Numbers are still too high. Half of the world is intolerant according to that map. Not to mention that barely literate chimpanzee's vain attempt to put an agenda in it.

[Rethel]

Right now I am drinking milk... :)

https://media.giphy.com/media/BLZVQ73Gl53Ak/giphy.gif

[de Burgh II]

Right now I am drinking milk... :)

https://media.giphy.com/media/BLZVQ73Gl53Ak/giphy.gif

https://68.media.tumblr.com/a38f2ce83bbe2bfd282363513e794aea/tumblr_n9bfco6Kcd1slejfuo1_500.gif

[Tacitus]

Raw goat milk ftw.


Nope, not everyone - many Europeans are lactose intolerant.

And ancient Europeans who lived before the Bronze Age, most probably could not drink milk at all.

So which group brought in the mutation for lactose tolerance? I've always been curious about this since I have a mild intolerance of cow's milk (but I have no problem with fermented cow dairy like cheese, yogurt, sour cream, etc.). I'm the only one in my family with this issue.

[MysteriousWays]

Raw goat milk ftw.



So which group brought in the mutation for lactose tolerance? I've always been curious about this since I have a mild intolerance of cow's milk (but I have no problem with fermented cow dairy like cheese, yogurt, sour cream, etc.). I'm the only one in my family with this issue.

Same for me, well the first part. A couple people in my family are lactose intolerant.

[Sekarotuinen]

Yep, milk is delicious.

[Rethel]

MilkindoeuR1opeans... :)

[Enflamme]

In my case, it depends what type of milk.

Sometimes i have upset stomach (with respect to certain types of cow's milk) ... but generally I can drink milk; I often drink milk with chicory (mixed with chocolate), but without chicory almost never and i think i would have a stomach pain if I had to drink often that.

As for the cheese, I prefer goat cheese.

[Bogdan]

Lactose tolerant. :)

[Mr. Anybody]

Yes,somedays half of liter even one bottle

[HelloGuys]

Yes, I can drink it and even eat a lot of cheese

[nittionia]

yes i love milk

[Dick]

Yes. I was even fed unpasteurized milk straight from a cow's udder when I was a baby. I have no idea how I was able to drink it but according to my mom I did. I tried it after I grew up and it's the most disgusting thing I've ever tasted.

[Coastal Elite]

Yes, I drink whole milk like a true American. I also like strawberry milk shakes from the dinner. I'm stuck in the 1950s.

[Erronkari]

I can drink two liters without problem. :p
Although I don't like milk too much.

[Rgvgjhvv]

I'm lactose intolerant

[Dick]

I'm lactose intolerant

All cultural marxists are. Milk is racist.

[Rgvgjhvv]

All cultural marxists are. Milk is racist.

https://media.newyorker.com/photos/5aeb586479f6430aaa0f9d19/master/w_727,c_limit/Wright-Kim-Jong-Un-Profile.jpg

[Kamal900]

I can consume dairy, but at the same time, it makes me fart a little when I do, so..

[Dick]

I can consume dairy, but at the same time, it makes me fart a little when I do, so..

What about camel's milk?

[Morena]

Yes.

[Rædwald]

All cultural marxists are. Milk is racist.

If you can't drink Milk you're not white :coffee:

[Kivan]

Yeah, i drink it almost everyday.

[Kamal900]

What about camel's milk?

Bretty gewd:
https://image.ibb.co/nDuitT/IMG-2329.jpg

[GreentheViper]

I drink milk regularly

[Coastal Elite]

Tolerating cow milk is very Indo-European.

[nightrider+]

Yeah, i drink it almost everyday.Thread isn't about soy milk.

[Dick]

Thread isn't about soy milk.

https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-21-2015/wNfkiM.gif

[tipirneni]

Yes, I can. northern parts of South Asia has Europe genes C/T–13910 and G/A–22018, however convergent evolution of the LP in diverse populations
(G13915, C13913, G13907, and C14010) in various Middle
East and African populations developed due to Camel milk,

in South Asia (like myself) there are other rare LP variants like
A/G12962 / C/G 20077 which are present in Tuscany, Iberia, Latin America, Japan, China, SouthKorea, Finns, Ob-Ugric, Ancient Kangju/Sogdia

[tipirneni]

What about camel's milk?

Yes in parts of Arabia, South Asia, Africa

northern parts of South Asia has Europe genes C/T–13910 and G/A–22018, however convergent evolution of the LP in diverse populations
(G13915, C13913, G13907, and C14010) in various Middle
East and African populations developed due to Camel milk,

in South Asia (like myself) there are other rare LP variants like
A/G12962 / C/G 20077 which are present in Tuscany, Iberia, Latin America, Japan, China, SouthKorea, Finns, Ob-Ugric, Ancient Kangju/Sogdia

[tipirneni]

Tolerating cow milk is very Indo-European.

No the ancient Semitic people, Ob-Ugric, Tuscany, SouthKorea, Steppe people had developed LP variants also some variants present in Africa

[Kivan]

Thread isn't about soy milk.

???

What do you mean?

[tipirneni]

There are two SNPs associated with lactose tolerance in Europeans - rs4988235 and rs182549:



I can drink milk so - just as expected - it turns out that I have mutations in both of these regions.

In case of rs182549, C is ancestral allele and T is derived. In rs4988235, A is derived and G ancestral:



I have "CT" alleles at rs182549 and "AG" at rs4988235. One ancestral and one derived allele in each case. Each of these mutations is dominant, so one derived is enough to activate its effects on lactose tolerance.

But I've heard about people who can drink milk and expected to get derived results, but it turned out that they have ancestral alleles. So maybe there are other, still unknown, mutations which have a similar effect.

Is there anyone on Apricity who has "CC" at rs182549 and "GG" at rs4988235 but can still drink milk? :confused:

northern parts of South Asia has Europe genes C/T–13910 and G/A–22018, however convergent evolution of the LP in diverse populations
(G13915, C13913, G13907, and C14010) in various Middle
East and African populations developed due to Camel milk,

in South Asia (like myself) there are other rare LP variants like
A/G12962 / C/G 20077 which are present in Tuscany, Iberia, Latin America, Japan, China, SouthKorea, Finns, Ob-Ugric, Ancient Kangju/Sogdia


This variant A/G12962 was present in ancient Kangju aDNA who mixed into Kushan kings who ruled India for few hundred years & mixed into Indian castes when they were forced out by other empires

https://factslegend.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Kushan-Empire.jpg

Dodecad K12b Oracle
Kit Z043955

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 38.47
2 Gedrosia 23.71
3 Atlantic_Med 22.28
4 Siberian 6.37
5 South_Asian 3.95
6 Caucasus 3.69
7 Southwest_Asian 0.96
8 Sub_Saharan 0.57

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 21.48
2 German (Dodecad) 22.27
3 Dutch (Dodecad) 22.61
4 Argyll (1000Genomes) 22.67
5 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 23.6
6 English (Dodecad) 23.7
7 Kent (1000Genomes) 23.79
8 Orkney (1000Genomes) 24
9 Orcadian (HGDP) 24.14
10 Irish (Dodecad) 24.29
11 Hungarians (Behar) 24.5
12 British (Dodecad) 24.68
13 Cornwall (1000Genomes) 24.7
14 British_Isles (Dodecad) 25.14
15 Norwegian (Dodecad) 25.41
16 Swedish (Dodecad) 25.56
17 French (Dodecad) 26.22
18 French (HGDP) 26.85
19 Romanians (Behar) 30.29
20 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 30.7

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 68.4% Swedish (Dodecad) + 31.6% Makrani (HGDP) @ 7.27
2 55.1% Norwegian (Dodecad) + 44.9% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 7.28
3 68.8% Swedish (Dodecad) + 31.2% Balochi (HGDP) @ 7.32
4 62.7% Norwegian (Dodecad) + 37.3% Pathan (HGDP) @ 7.45
5 68.6% Norwegian (Dodecad) + 31.4% Makrani (HGDP) @ 7.54
6 69% Norwegian (Dodecad) + 31% Balochi (HGDP) @ 7.63
7 62.7% Swedish (Dodecad) + 37.3% Pathan (HGDP) @ 8.08
8 63.7% Norwegian (Dodecad) + 36.3% Burusho (HGDP) @ 8.11
9 70.5% Swedish (Dodecad) + 29.5% Brahui (HGDP) @ 8.15
10 55% Swedish (Dodecad) + 45% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 8.17
11 56.8% Orkney (1000Genomes) + 43.2% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 8.32
12 58.4% Argyll (1000Genomes) + 41.6% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 8.44
13 63.6% Swedish (Dodecad) + 36.4% Burusho (HGDP) @ 8.58
14 56.6% Orcadian (HGDP) + 43.4% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 8.61
15 70.8% Norwegian (Dodecad) + 29.2% Brahui (HGDP) @ 8.66
16 56.5% Irish (Dodecad) + 43.5% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 8.85
17 74% German (Dodecad) + 26% Brahui (HGDP) @ 9.13
18 67.7% Swedish (Dodecad) + 32.3% Sindhi (HGDP) @ 9.16
19 67.8% Norwegian (Dodecad) + 32.2% Sindhi (HGDP) @ 9.2
20 72.7% German (Dodecad) + 27.3% Balochi (HGDP) @ 9.33
Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad @ 22.899506
2 German_Dodecad @ 23.944246
3 Dutch_Dodecad @ 24.132767
4 Argyll_1000Genomes @ 24.155767
5 CEU30_1000Genomes @ 25.177273
6 English_Dodecad @ 25.278719
7 Kent_1000Genomes @ 25.381659
8 Orkney_1000Genomes @ 25.629679
9 Orcadian_HGDP @ 25.766012
10 Irish_Dodecad @ 25.925810
11 British_Dodecad @ 26.330944
12 Cornwall_1000Genomes @ 26.338663
13 Hungarians_Behar @ 26.683897
14 British_Isles_Dodecad @ 26.869604
15 Norwegian_Dodecad @ 27.402796
16 Swedish_Dodecad @ 27.579893
17 French_Dodecad @ 28.056999
18 French_HGDP @ 28.737448
19 Chuvashs_Behar @ 32.714722
20 Tajiks_Yunusbayev @ 33.254551

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Norwegian_Dodecad +50% Tajiks_Yunusbayev @ 8.172159


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Argyll_1000Genomes +25% Balochi_HGDP +25% Chuvashs_Behar @ 3.478112


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++
1 Argyll_1000Genomes + Balochi_HGDP + Chuvashs_Behar + Norwegian_Dodecad @ 2.787309
2 Brahui_HGDP + CEU30_1000Genomes + Chuvashs_Behar + Norwegian_Dodecad @ 2.806025
3 Brahui_HGDP + Chuvashs_Behar + English_Dodecad + Norwegian_Dodecad @ 2.835134
4 Balochi_HGDP + Chuvashs_Behar + Norwegian_Dodecad + Orcadian_HGDP @ 2.880459
5 Brahui_HGDP + Chuvashs_Behar + Kent_1000Genomes + Norwegian_Dodecad @ 2.881712
6 Balochi_HGDP + Chuvashs_Behar + Irish_Dodecad + Norwegian_Dodecad @ 2.883987
7 Argyll_1000Genomes + Brahui_HGDP + Chuvashs_Behar + Norwegian_Dodecad @ 2.891420
8 Brahui_HGDP + British_Isles_Dodecad + Chuvashs_Behar + Norwegian_Dodecad @ 2.895027
9 Brahui_HGDP + Chuvashs_Behar + Irish_Dodecad + Norwegian_Dodecad @ 2.914669
10 Brahui_HGDP + Chuvashs_Behar + Norwegian_Dodecad + Orcadian_HGDP @ 2.931158
11 Brahui_HGDP + Chuvashs_Behar + Norwegian_Dodecad + Orkney_1000Genomes @ 2.931158
12 Brahui_HGDP + Chuvashs_Behar + Cornwall_1000Genomes + Norwegian_Dodecad @ 2.943799
13 Balochi_HGDP + Chuvashs_Behar + Norwegian_Dodecad + Orkney_1000Genomes @ 2.948720
14 Brahui_HGDP + British_Dodecad + Chuvashs_Behar + Norwegian_Dodecad @ 2.981978

[tipirneni]

India is the world’s largest milk producer, with 18 percent of global production, followed by the United States of America, China, Pakistan and Brazil. Brown skinned Indians consume most amount of milk/milk products in the world.

The countries with the highest milk surpluses are New Zealand, the United States of America, Germany, France, Australia and Ireland.
The countries with the highest milk deficits are China, Italy, the Russian Federation, Mexico, Algeria and Indonesia.

[Mortimer]

23andme said on the older report (before they took the health reports down for international customers) "likely lactose intolerant" but i drink milk without problems. I love milk and all milk products such as yoghurt, buttermilk, all cheeses, creams etc.

[RandomGuy20]

Yeah I drink milk everyday :D

[Mr. Anybody]

I'm lactose intolerant

Mongol confirmed,try kefir or ayran tungus dude

[Grace O'Malley]

Lactose tolerance only developed in the last few thousand years. Ancient European were lactose intolerant.

The highest prevalence of lactose tolerance is in the Irish were it reaches 100%.


"Ireland is the place in the world with the highest concentration of lactose tolerance," Bradley said, "and undoubtedly that’s to do with a heavy reliance on drinking unprocessed milk in pre-history, and a culture focused on dairying."


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2014/10/21/ancient-europeans-were-lactose-intolerant-for-the-first-4000-years-they-made-cheese/?utm_term=.b32d8cf22507


The distribution of the lactase persistence phenotype, or the ability to digest lactose into adulthood, is not homogeneous in the world. Lactase persistence-frequencies are highly variable. In Europe, the distribution of the lactase persistence phenotype is clinal, with frequencies ranging from 15–54% in the south-east to 89–96% in the north-west.[3] For example, only 17% of Greeks and 14% of Sardinians are predicted to possess this phenotype, while around 80% of Finns and Hungarians and 100% of Irish people are predicted to be lactase persistent.[4]

High frequencies of lactase persistence are also found in some places in Sub-Saharan Africa and in the Middle East. But the most common situation is intermediate to low lactase persistence: intermediate (11 to 32%) in Central Asia,[5] low (<=5%) in Native Americans, East Asians, most Chinese populations[2] and some African populations.[3][6][5]

In Africa, the distribution of lactase persistence is "patchy":[7][8][3] high variations of frequency are observed in neighbouring populations, for example between Beja and Nilotes from Sudan.[9] This makes the study of lactase persistence distribution more difficult.[6] High percentages of lactase persistence phenotype are found in traditionally pastoralist populations like Fulani and Bedouins.[3][10] It is absent in the Bantu of South Africa.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactase_persistence#cite_note-4

[Prinses]

Not sure but I prefer not to drink milk since it makes me feel bloated sometimes. But when it’s processed in food then I’m okay with it. I prefer soy/almond milk.

[nightrider+]

I prefer soy/almond milk.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fe3FxQybi14

[Dick]

Lactose tolerance only developed in the last few thousand years. Ancient European were lactose intolerant.

The highest prevalence of lactose tolerance is in the Irish were it reaches 100%.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2014/10/21/ancient-europeans-were-lactose-intolerant-for-the-first-4000-years-they-made-cheese/?utm_term=.b32d8cf22507



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactase_persistence#cite_note-4

I'm having a deja vu.

[Prinses]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fe3FxQybi14

:lol::lol:

[Grace O'Malley]

Raw goat milk ftw.



So which group brought in the mutation for lactose tolerance? I've always been curious about this since I have a mild intolerance of cow's milk (but I have no problem with fermented cow dairy like cheese, yogurt, sour cream, etc.). I'm the only one in my family with this issue.

Bronze Age Bell Beakers to Ireland.

The Neolithic and Bronze Age transitions were profound cultural shifts catalyzed in parts of Europe by migrations, first of early farmers from the Near East and then Bronze Age herders from the Pontic Steppe. However, a decades-long, unresolved controversy is whether population change or cultural adoption occurred at the Atlantic edge, within the British Isles. We address this issue by using the first whole genome data from prehistoric Irish individuals. A Neolithic woman (3343–3020 cal BC) from a megalithic burial (10.3× coverage) possessed a genome of predominantly Near Eastern origin. She had some hunter–gatherer ancestry but belonged to a population of large effective size, suggesting a substantial influx of early farmers to the island. Three Bronze Age individuals from Rathlin Island (2026–1534 cal BC), including one high coverage (10.5×) genome, showed substantial Steppe genetic heritage indicating that the European population upheavals of the third millennium manifested all of the way from southern Siberia to the western ocean. This turnover invites the possibility of accompanying introduction of Indo-European, perhaps early Celtic, language. Irish Bronze Age haplotypic similarity is strongest within modern Irish, Scottish, and Welsh populations, and several important genetic variants that today show maximal or very high frequencies in Ireland appear at this horizon. These include those coding for lactase persistence, blue eye color, Y chromosome R1b haplotypes, and the hemochromatosis C282Y allele; to our knowledge, the first detection of a known Mendelian disease variant in prehistory. These findings together suggest the establishment of central attributes of the Irish genome 4,000 y ago.

https://www.pnas.org/content/113/2/368

[Grace O'Malley]

I'm having a deja vu.

Lactose tolerance appears to be the topic of the day. :)

[Dick]

Lactose tolerance appears to be the topic of the day. :)

Irish are teh whitest in the world! lactose tolerant and gluten sensitive.

[Haider]

Now yes. I was never allergic to lactose, but to casein. I almost died as a baby for drinking milk, I was homeopathicly treated for years until I was cured.

[Armenian Bishop]

I'm fine drinking milk. I usually use organic milk, especially because the animals are treated better when it's organic. I use creamy milk in coffee everyday, and whole milk with cereal. I also use cheese and butter. My 23&Me Wellness Result tells me that I'm Lactose Tolerant.

[Finnish Swede]

I'm heavy milk drinker (LOL), but the light version, one which fat content is 0% (on the right). I use it even with coffee (so no ''heavy'' cream).

https://www.maaseuduntulevaisuus.fi/image/policy:1.200929:1502174407/307885-jpg.jpg?f=default&w=800&$p$f$w=652ac25

[Dick]

I'm heavy milk drinker (LOL), but the light version, one which fat content is 0% (on the right). I use it even with coffee (so no ''heavy'' cream).

https://www.maaseuduntulevaisuus.fi/image/policy:1.200929:1502174407/307885-jpg.jpg?f=default&w=800&$p$f$w=652ac25

How cute. I called milk "maito" when I was a baby.

[wvwvw]

I tolerate milk quite well but I think I have the lactose intolerance gene, if I remember correctly. :confused:

[alnortedelsur]

I'm lactose tolerant, but I don't like milk.

[Finnish Swede]

How cute. I called milk "maito" when I was a baby.

That is Finnish word ... because of local dairies
(Swedish? Mjölk).

Estonian word for milk? It is piim. Funny thing is that piimä is a Finnish word, but means butter milk, not a normal ones.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buttermilk

And there are many others...
So then Estonian and Finn meet, there is a risk that they believe to understand each others ... but doing it wrong ways.

[Dick]

there is a risk that they believe to understand each others ... but do it wrong ways.

Sounds like my one night stands.

[cyberlorian]

Yes I can.

[The Lawspeaker]

Of course I can drink milk. It's my white privilege !

[Imperator Biff]

Lactase persistence is the last stand of implicit white identity.

[TheMaestro]

I love milk, I used to drink 2l per day.

[Papastratosels26]

Yes I can

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[TheMaestro]

Time to drink this baby

https://i.imgur.com/A3JKeXY.jpg

[Finnish Swede]

Sounds like my one night stands.

I see. Your mission of life is to spread I1 haplogroup as much as possible? Any visible results yet in Toronto area?

BTW: Cool jersey? I like logo/bull on it.
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0289/9673/products/Wayne_Carleton_WHA_Toronto_Toros_PIC_1.jpg?v=14658 06413
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2f/Toronto-Toros.png

[Seya]

What about camel's milk?

Camel milk smells bad...i like horse milk better :D

[Finnish Swede]

How many have tasted original/not processed cow milk? Did that once as very small girl.

[Mr. Anybody]

How many have tasted original/not processed cow milk? Did that once as very small girl.

You meant unpasteurized?hell no.. or natural,direct from farm?

[Finnish Swede]

You meant unpasteurized?hell no.. or natural,direct from farm?

Soft boy :p.

I live in country side...

That stuff will test your stomach quickly ... are lactose tolerance or not.

[Marmara]

I'm Lacoste tolerant and i did drink raw cow's milk.

This European mutation surprisingly exists in me.

[Satem]

I am a big fan of real cow milk and dairy products overall but unfortunately I'm a lactose intolerant.

[Mr. Anybody]

I'm Lacoste tolerant and i did drink raw cow's milk.

This European mutation surprisingly exists in me.

Those crusaders..

[Luke35]

Soft boy :p.

I live in country side...

That stuff will test your stomach quickly ... are lactose tolerance or not.

Quick story:
I went to a summer camp when I was a kid where the founder of the camp, an elderly woman, offered us kids milk directly from the cow. She said she drinks it everyday. One of the younger counselors stepped in and said no, we should not have it, and so we didn't.

Lactose tolerant. I eat breakfast cereal with milk regularly.

[Thracian]

I can. It also helps some stomach problems.

[Dacul]

How many have tasted original/not processed cow milk? Did that once as very small girl.

Boiled or not boiled?
Before I was 14 years old I was going almost every summer vacation for 1 month or more, somewhere in North Transylvania, near the small town from where my mother is, to our maternal grandmother.
I was drinking raw boiled cow milk, at least 1 liter, every evening.
Sometimes I was drinking from it before it was boiled.
The boiling was done to kill the bacteria that the milk might had.
Once I drunk raw unboiled milk with with house made bread,also in Transylvania, when I was 16 and drunk 2 beers after.
Did not had any problems with my stomach :) .
I have red hair gene and I am very likely R1B on paternal line and women from Transylvania on maternal HGs cluster to those from Austria and South Germany.
I can still drink milk (not boiled, just pasteurized) and drink beer after it without any problems :) .

[Thorns]

I drink raw/unpasteurized milk all the time, never had a problem. Makes me strong like bull.

[Dandelion]

How many have tasted original/not processed cow milk? Did that once as very small girl.

I'm too city-like to have unpasteurised milk. You are a country girl. :) You probably also know your way around firearms, another thing those Stockholm people or me for that matter have no experience with. :p

[Dick]

BTW: Cool jersey? I like logo/bull on it.
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0289/9673/products/Wayne_Carleton_WHA_Toronto_Toros_PIC_1.jpg?v=14658 06413
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2f/Toronto-Toros.png

Did you buy it?

[frankhammer]

I'm too city-like to have unpasteurised milk. You are a country girl. :) You probably also know your way around firearms, another thing those Stockholm people or me for that matter have no experience with. :p

A shame Dan. We be up early bringing the cows into the shed and once done, we kids bought a large container up to the house while our uncle cleaned up. After sitting a short while, so much cream comes to the top. And it tastes fantastic. There is also a tap on the vat in the milking shed where you could pour yourself a glass. Good times.

[Finnish Swede]

Did you buy it?

Nope. This jersey is enough for me:
https://kauppa.vaasansport.fi/?action=getContent&type=img&id=232&width=800&height=800

[de Burgh II]

Alwaysssss... milk is always good in ze mornin'!

lol

:p

[sailormoon]

70% of Japanese people are supposed to be lactose intolerant but they are consuming milk and other dairy products with reckless abandon without showing lactose intolerance symptoms such as bloating or cramping. The incidence of milk intolerance is less than 20% in Japanese adults when a bottle of milk is given. There are numerous Starbucks stores nationwide with a market share of 48.0%. The very concept of lactose intolerance isn't even really known all that well. Lactose intolerance may become a serious issue only in European countries, where the average rate of lactose intolerance is around 10%, because too much lactose is added to foods and drinks.

https://sociorocketnewsen.files.wordpress.com/2018/12/starbucks-christmas-tree-frappuccino-drinks-holiday-limited-edition-japanese-taste-test-review-2018-xmas-japan-1.jpg?w=640&h=474



Several studies have shown that patients considering themselves lactose intolerant could take one to two cups of milk (240 ml = 11 g lactose) during the day.32–36 Yogurt, ice cream, and cream can contain similar amounts to milk. The lactose content in many hard cheeses is quite low (<1 g per teaspoon).37 You would have to eat 1 kg of parmesan to take as much lactose as there is in a glass of milk. Thus a spoonful of parmesan on a pasta is unlikely to result in symptoms. Butter contains only traces of lactose. The threshold for lactose varies between people. Some can tolerate a glass of milk (240 ml = 11 g lactose), whereas others get symptoms with just 2–3 g lactose from a chocolate bar.35 We recommend that patients should experiment carefully with various foods to discover their lactose threshold. Some hypolactasics can, over months, adapt and increase their tolerance to milk.32 This occurs through the gut flora because mammalian lactase cannot be induced by lactose, unlike its bacterial counterpart. Lactose can be reduced in dairy products by using β galactosidase available in health food shops. Low lactose milk is available in supermarkets made by this method, but is quite sweet as it contains the galactose and glucose from the degraded lactose.
https://pmj.bmj.com/content/81/953/167

[Antimatter]

Nope, not everyone - many Europeans are lactose intolerant.

And ancient Europeans who lived before the Bronze Age, most probably could not drink milk at all.

Didn't the Neolithic Europeans come with domesticated livestock from the Near East? They should have drank completely fine, by that logic. But what do I know.

[Stefanos.tasidis]

yes i finished a gallon in 3 days lol

[Berlko2]

Yep, I drink a lot of milk and dairy products. Regularly, I consume around 1lt of milk every 3-4 days, plus yougurth, cream and cheese.

[tipirneni]

http://www.trendingtopmost.com/worlds-popular-list-top-10/2017-2018-2019-2020-2021/world/largest-milk-producing-countries-world/

[Berlko2]

Milk consumption seems to be a European thing. The top 30 countries by milk consumption (over 200lts per capita a year) are all European, except for the US, Argentina and Canada (which is explained by the fact that most of the population in these 3 countries is of European descent, with an important influence of Central and Northern Europeans), as well as Khazakhstan.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_milk_consumption_per_capita

[Finnish Swede]

Milk consumption seems to be a European thing. The top 30 countries by milk consumption (over 200lts per capita a year) are all European, except for the US, Argentina and Canada (which is explained by the fact that most of the population in these 3 countries is of European descent, with an important influence of Central and Northern Europeans), as well as Khazakhstan.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_milk_consumption_per_capita

Finland :victory0: ... and Sweden 2.

Oldie but goldie :biggrin:
https://tobiashubinette.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/namnlc3b6s.jpg?w=830

[Berlko2]

Finland :victory0: ... and Sweden 2.

Oldie but goldie :biggrin:
https://tobiashubinette.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/namnlc3b6s.jpg?w=830

Yep. Both lactose tolerance and consumption seem to increase the further north you go in Europe. It’s perhaps related to hunter-gatherer genetics, idk.

I thought the Netherlands would be on the first place, though. I immediately associate cow milk to the Netherlands lol

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

I'm lactose tolerant, but I don't like milk.You like ice cream?

[GiCa]

I look physically Neolithic farmer.. But I can drink milk as I want. I guess I have the lactose breaker enzymes.

So aside from exterior look on the inside I descends also from ancient central European shepherd cheese and milk makers

Also the place where I come has a history of shepherd and milk derived food.. This like in all europe I guess

[alnortedelsur]

You like ice cream?

I don't like Dominican immigration into United States.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

I don't like Dominican immigration into United States.You having your period or something? I asked if you like Ice cream

[MysteriousWays]

No milk for me

[Nayalar]

I'm lactose intolerant, and I drink milk.

[Jennifer]

I am lactose intolerant.

[visar]

tolerant, but I do not like dairy products. Even fresh milk is stinky for me

[Token]

Yep. Both lactose tolerance and consumption seem to increase the further north you go in Europe. It’s perhaps related to hunter-gatherer genetics, idk.

I thought the Netherlands would be on the first place, though. I immediately associate cow milk to the Netherlands lol

Hunter-Gatherers were lactose intolerant, LP was spread by steppe pastoralists during the Bronze Age

[michal3141]

Hunter-Gatherers were lactose intolerant, LP was spread by steppe pastoralists during the Bronze Age

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Does it mean I am lactose intolerant?

I used to drink milk everyday when I was a child though.
Nowadays I don't drink milk but mostly because we no longer have cows.
I still eat dairy.
Not sure if it has any impact but I sometimes experience the symptoms associated with lactose intolerance so maybe it has.

[Token]

rs4988235 2 136608646 G G
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Does it mean I am lactose intolerant?

I used to drink milk everyday when I was a child though.
Nowadays I don't drink milk but mostly because we no longer have cows.
I still eat dairy.
Not sure if it has any impact but I sometimes experience the symptoms associated with lactose intolerance so maybe it has.

Yes, intolerant.

[Berlko2]

Hunter-Gatherers were lactose intolerant, LP was spread by steppe pastoralists during the Bronze Age

I thought it was the opposite. Thanks.

[Smaug]

I can. The Italian side of my family can drink milk without any problems, however I am aware that my Lithuanian ancestors would feel sick if they drunk milk.

[Hoihey]

I can drink as much milk as I want unlike my grandpa

[Token]

I can. The Italian side of my family can drink milk without any problems, however I am aware that my Lithuanian ancestors would feel sick if they drunk milk.

Ironies of life.

[Grace O'Malley]

I can. The Italian side of my family can drink milk without any problems, however I am aware that my Lithuanian ancestors would feel sick if they drunk milk.

I'm surprised you have no Welsh? That must have been a shock for you? :)

[Smaug]

I'm surprised you have no Welsh? That must have been a shock for you? :)

I do, just not that much though. I am more Scottish on my British side. Aberdeen and Glasgow, the latter mixed with Irish.