Is ftdna MyOrigins worth it?

[GoneWithTheWind]

They already have my sample. But Im skeptical. I see Europeans there who get only like 60% Euro.

[Peterski]

I got 100% European. Which ones get only 60%? :confused:

[GoneWithTheWind]

I got 100% European. Which ones get only 60%? :confused:

Some South Europeans. Albanians, Greeks, fyroms and Italians etc. Get like 60%-80% European. And Anatolian and Caucasus score.

An Albanian here I recall got only 68% Euro and clustered with Tuscans and got 100% Tuscan.

These same ppl on 23andme get like 99%-100% Euro

It could be all "ancient", or they are asuming it as such as they list haplogroups like J2b and E as levant etc but with that logic all European ydnas originated outside and most should get some non euro. that makes it not seem worth it except that they have my sample and i could run it through gedmatch.

[Peterski]

Many Greeks are descended from Anatolian Greeks. Maybe such Greeks get only 60% European?

BTW, these people who get 60-80% Euro, what else do they get (what is the remaining 40-20%)?

[GoneWithTheWind]

Many Greeks are descended from Anatolian Greeks. Maybe such Greeks get only 60% European?

BTW, these people who get 60-80% Euro, what else do they get (what is the remaining 40-20%)?

Mostly Caucasus and Anatolian.

Yes, Greeks descendant of Anatolian Greeks get some non euro on the 23andme I've seen.

But it doesnt explain Albanians or Tuscans for example who barely get any non euro on 23andme.

An Albanian user here I saw got on ftdna like 79%-80% Euro but on 23andme 99,9%-100% and this person also cluster with Tuscans or close.

[Voskos]

ofc its accurate. plus they offer ftdna ancient origins for free.

[Peterski]

ofc its accurate. plus they offer ftdna ancient origins for free.

Ancient Origins is not so accurate. "Metal Age Invader" is not Yamna / Steppe, but more like CHG.

[GoneWithTheWind]

ofc its accurate. plus they offer ftdna ancient origins for free.

So youre saying Tuscans, Balkanites etc have recent non European origin? (I'm sure some do just like Eastern and Northerns etc do).. And that 23andme is inaccurate? Because there are people who have tested both and on 23andme they get 99%-100% European.

On 23andme Greeks who have non euro ancestry get that. Greeks who don't have recent non euro get 99% euro etc. But what is really euro anyway..

What exactly makes it accurate unless its "ancient" which is pointless to test for anyway. It doesnt make sense that its ancient either as most Europeans should get non euro then..

[War Chef]

If I transfer my 23andme raw data to FTdna will I get different results than waiting for the kit and spitting in it? I'm guessing FTdna tests different markers?

[GoneWithTheWind]

If I transfer my 23andme raw data to FTdna will I get different results than waiting for the kit and spitting in it? I'm guessing FTdna tests different markers?

Can you post your 23andme results and whats your ancestry?

[GoneWithTheWind]

Villager, such as that thread you made about herzegovina Serb myorigin results. He got like 19% middle eastern. 19% asia minor. When he most likely doesnt have recent ancestry from there. You claim he gets less than albs but even if its true, he gets it because hes less Balkan. But they almost all get some of it.

Ftdna is basically counting some ancient balkan as asia minor / middle eastern. Almost every Balkanite gets some asia minor etc. How much depends on how much balkan they are. The more northern/ slavic the less they get.

I wonder what Russians or some Scandinavians would get.

Of course its inaccurate. Because it gives a false image that people have recent ancestry from there when they don't.

Some of these same people as I said get 99%-100% European on 23andme and some other companies.

Ive seen these results myself on this site.

There are people who have tested for all like Bulgaricus if Im not mistaken

[Peterski]

BTW, do these Greeks/Albanians/Italians etc. get some "Non-European" in FTDNA Ancient Origins?

My results (by comparison in Eurogenes Steppe K10 I get 30% Steppe, 29% Farmer, 37% Hunter):

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?194977-POST-YOUR-FTDNA-ANCIENT-ORIGINS-NEW-FEATURE&p=4057279&viewfull=1#post4057279

https://i.imgur.com/ZrqocQB.png

[GoneWithTheWind]

Another example:

According to ftdna results, Europe starts in Central Europe.

Ancient Balkanites and their descendants have always been more Caucasus and Anatolian shifted which explains why they get some asia minor there etc.

The issue here is it shouldnt be taken as recent ancestry. Because its not. Neither should the Eastern European there be taken automatically as Slavic.

It must be "ancient". if you go far enough back in time then every euro should get some "non euro". So that doesnt make sense either.

Ftdna are amateurs at autosomal dna. Its not their expertise. Its all just to make money. A lot of these genetic tests are. They are half truths. Ftdna are broscientists at autosomal. Their expertise is in ydna and even there they are wrong in some cases which affects autosomal results.

If you wanna do autosomal, do it with a company that solely focuses on that. 23andme results I've seen for atleast Balkanites are extremely accurate and their expertise is autosomal dna

[GoneWithTheWind]

BTW, do these Greeks/Albanians/Italians etc. get some "Non-European" in FTDNA Ancient Origins?

My results (by comparison in Eurogenes Steppe K10 I get 30% Steppe, 29% Farmer, 37% Hunter):

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?194977-POST-YOUR-FTDNA-ANCIENT-ORIGINS-NEW-FEATURE&p=4057279&viewfull=1#post4057279

https://i.imgur.com/ZrqocQB.png

I can show you some Albanian examples of what Im talking about. .. Same user:

23andme:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?188288-Ylla-23andme

Ftdna:


http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?124550-FTDNA-MyOrigins-(New-Population-Finder)&p=3988568#post3988568


Lol. Another Albanian Geni i think only got like 68% euro on ftdna yet there he also got 100% Tuscan. I remember seeing his results and he said this. So Tuscans obviously get similar results. Thracian samples also seem to cluster next to Tuscans.

Since the forum went down its hard to find threads etc since many got deleted etc or else I'd show you more

Ancestrydna gives Albanians Greek/Italian. It cant differiate between Balkan/Albo and Italian/Greek which 23andme does.

These autosomal companies vary in results and experiences are different for each ethnic group.

[Carlito's Way]

Not worth, you shouldve used 23andMe or AncestryDNA to be honest
I think 23andMe works better for Europeans/Jews

[Voskos]

Villager, such as that thread you made about herzegovina Serb myorigin results. He got like 19% middle eastern. 19% asia minor. When he most likely doesnt have recent ancestry from there. You claim he gets less than albs but even if its true, he gets it because hes less Balkan. But they almost all get some of it.

Ftdna is basically counting some ancient balkan as asia minor / middle eastern. Almost every Balkanite gets some asia minor etc. How much depends on how much balkan they are. The more northern/ slavic the less they get.

I wonder what Russians or some Scandinavians would get.

Of course its inaccurate. Because it gives a false image that people have recent ancestry from there when they don't.

Some of these same people as I said get 99%-100% European on 23andme and some other companies.

Ive seen these results myself on this site.

There are people who have tested for all like Bulgaricus if Im not mistaken

23andme goes 500 years back, at max.
ftdna on the other hand digs much deeper.


from DNAexplained forum

checked with Dr. David Mittelman on this question and he provided the following information:
Anatolia & Caucasus – On the order of 5-10 K
Asian Northeast – On the other of 5-10 K
Bering Expansion – On the order of 10-15 K
East Africa Pastoralist – On the order of 3-5 K
East Asian Coastal Islands – On the order of 5-10K
Eastern Afroasiatic – On the order of 5-10 K
Eurasian Heartland – On the order of 5-10 K
European Coastal Islands – On the order of 2-4 K
European Coastal Plain – On the order of 1-3 K
European Northlands – On the order of 3-5 K
Indian Tectonic – On the order of 3-5 K
Jewish Diaspora – On the order of 1-2 K
Kalahari Basin – On the order of 50 K
Niger-Congo Genesis – On the order to 2-4 K
North African Coastlands – On the order of 5-10 K
North Circumpolar – On the order of 10 K
North Mediterranean – On the order of 5-10 K
Trans-Ural Peneplain – On the order of 2-4 K

http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/29949-FTDNA-MyOrigins/page2

[Peterski]

Something about FTDNA MyOrigins:

https://dna-explained.com/2014/05/11/family-tree-dna-releases-myorigins/

[GoneWithTheWind]

23andme goes 500 years back, at max.
ftdna on the other hand digs much deeper.



http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/29949-FTDNA-MyOrigins/page2

Yeah, thats what I thought. If it goes back enough most euros should get non euro.

Im more interested in the last 2000-1000 years. As within last 500 years Im just a pure blooded Albanian.

[Peterski]

Thevillager,


European Coastal Plain – On the order of 1-3 K
Trans-Ural Peneplain – On the order of 2-4 K

New names for these are:

European Coastal Plain (old name) = Western and Central Europe (new name)
Trans-Ural Peneplain (old name) = Eastern Europe (new name)

And I am getting only these two admixtures in FTDNA MyOrigins.

So it means that I am 100% European even if we go back 1000-4000 years.

[Voskos]

1000-4000 years.

How many matches do you get approximately?

[firemonkey]

I question how good it currently is on the basis my father gets 14% South Europe and I get none. It will be interesting to see what happens if and when it is updated.

[Trojet]

The discrepancy between 23andMe and FTDNA autosomal ethnicity estimate for Albanians/Southern Europeans, is that it seems FTDNA wrongly assigns some southern European component as 'Asia Minor' because every Albanian at FTDNA I have seen gets about 20% 'Asia Minor'.
They're supposed to update their MyOrigins estimates, so whether this will change, it remains to be seen.

For what's worth on FTDNA's 'AncientOrigins', every Albanian I have seen gets 0% Non-European.

[Dema]

every Albanian I have seen gets 0% Non-European.

Sounds like interesting stat that might turn people on just like Balkan % on 23andme did but this one aims at more people > all Europeans, which is even better.

So if i get 5% non european i should cry?

[Trojet]

Sounds like interesting stat that might turn people on just like Balkan % on 23andme did but this one aims at more people > all Europeans, which is even better.

So if i get 5% non european i should cry?

Hehe, I think you would be just like a typical Albo ;)

[Trojet]

The discrepancy between 23andMe and FTDNA autosomal ethnicity estimate for Albanians/Southern Europeans, is that it seems FTDNA wrongly assigns some southern European component as 'Asia Minor' because every Albanian at FTDNA I have seen gets about 20% 'Asia Minor'.
They're supposed to update their MyOrigins estimates, so whether this will change, it remains to be seen.

For what's worth on FTDNA's 'AncientOrigins', every Albanian I have seen gets 0% Non-European.

Getting to your point MONEY, I think for $59 FTDNA's Family Finder My Origins is worth it, but it's up to you of course.
Or you can get 23andMe for $150 (or whatever the amount is for international customers), to get 'more proper' ethnicity estimates for an Albanian.

[GoneWithTheWind]

Getting to your point MONEY, I think for $59 FTDNA's Family Finder My Origins is worth it, but it's up to you of course.
Or you can get 23andMe for $150 (or whatever the amount is for international customers), to get 'more proper' ethnicity estimates for an Albanian.

Im gonna do both maybe, 23andme seems to only test like 500 years back. They should lower their price but the + is their health reports. but first probably ftdna. Its cheaper and they already have my sample

[Slavic Italian]

The discrepancy between 23andMe and FTDNA autosomal ethnicity estimate for Albanians/Southern Europeans, is that it seems FTDNA wrongly assigns some southern European component as 'Asia Minor' because every Albanian at FTDNA I have seen gets about 20% 'Asia Minor'.

Well have you considered there is a reason for that? This is one example.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Islam_in_southern_Italy

Here's another.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashidun_Caliphate

Another

Persian Empire Armies
Military composition
The empire's great armies were, like the empire itself, very diverse, having:[note 1] Persians,[103] Macedonians,[42] European Thracians, Paeonians, Medes, Achaean Greeks, Cissians, Hyrcanians,[104] Assyrians, Chaldeans,[105] Bactrians, Sacae,[106] Arians, Parthians, Caucasian Albanians,[107] Chorasmians, Sogdians, Gandarians, Dadicae,[108] Caspians, Sarangae, Pactyes,[109] Utians, Mycians, Phoenicians along with the "Syrians of Palestine" (likely Judeans), Egyptians,[110] Cyprians,[111] Cilicians, Pamphylians, Lycians, Dorians of Asia, Carians, Ionians, Aegean islanders, Aeolians, Greeks from Pontus, Paricanians,[112] Arabians, Ethiopians of Africa,[113] Ethiopians of Baluchistan,[114] Libyans,[115] Paphlagonians, Ligyes, Matieni, Mariandyni, Cappadocians,[116] Phrygians, Armenians,[117] Lydians, Mysians,[118] Asian Thracians,[119] Lasonii, Milyae,[120] Moschi, Tibareni, Macrones, Mossynoeci,[121] Mares, Colchians, Alarodians, Saspirians,[122] Red Sea islanders,[123] Sagartians,[124] Indians,[125] Eordi, Bottiaei, Chalcidians, Brygians, Pierians, Perrhaebi, Enienes, Dolopes, and Magnesians.

[Dk95]

Some South Europeans. Albanians, Greeks, fyroms and Italians etc. Get like 60%-80% European. And Anatolian and Caucasus score.

An Albanian here I recall got only 68% Euro and clustered with Tuscans and got 100% Tuscan.

These same ppl on 23andme get like 99%-100% Euro

It could be all "ancient", or they are asuming it as such as they list haplogroups like J2b and E as levant etc but with that logic all European ydnas originated outside and most should get some non euro. that makes it not seem worth it except that they have my sample and i could run it through gedmatch.
Since when anatolian and caucasian is european?
23andme is not good as it counts neolithic input as european..

[Iloko]

The new 'MyHeritage DNA' test looks better than myOrigins lol:

http://i.imgur.com/IrtVUOU.jpg

[Figaro]

The new 'MyHeritage DNA' test looks better than myOrigins lol:

http://i.imgur.com/IrtVUOU.jpg

These your results? This test looks like a big peice of shit right now...lol

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Its good for European ancestry yea. The good thing about it is if you do my origins your kit will already be done with FTDNA if you decide to do haplogroups

[Iloko]

These your results? This test looks like a big peice of shit right now...lol
The only sample result I could find on the internet. I'm planning on ordering the test sometime later, and will probably post the results on this forum at that time.

I definitely think it looks better than Ftdna...This new test can only break your ancestry down into 25 populations but in the next couple of months they are going to expand that to 100+ categories, which is definitely much higher than all the major dna testing companies out right now.. Their format looks reminiscent of 23andme's. They even break down your ancestry to the decimal point, something Ftdna doesn't do, thus is useful for people such as Americans who are looking to discover minor trace amounts of Native American ancestry. MyHeritage as a genealogy platform also has a 17.2million members user base as well, which if I'm not mistaken is much higher than Ancestry.com's.

[slavoj333]

depends on which service has the biggest user base among your ethnicity

health is a plus with 23andme, but the ancient origins seems interesting at ftdna too

[GoneWithTheWind]

Well have you considered there is a reason for that? This is one example.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Islam_in_southern_Italy

Here's another.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashidun_Caliphate

Another

Persian Empire Armies
Military composition
The empire's great armies were, like the empire itself, very diverse, having:[note 1] Persians,[103] Macedonians,[42] European Thracians, Paeonians, Medes, Achaean Greeks, Cissians, Hyrcanians,[104] Assyrians, Chaldeans,[105] Bactrians, Sacae,[106] Arians, Parthians, Caucasian Albanians,[107] Chorasmians, Sogdians, Gandarians, Dadicae,[108] Caspians, Sarangae, Pactyes,[109] Utians, Mycians, Phoenicians along with the "Syrians of Palestine" (likely Judeans), Egyptians,[110] Cyprians,[111] Cilicians, Pamphylians, Lycians, Dorians of Asia, Carians, Ionians, Aegean islanders, Aeolians, Greeks from Pontus, Paricanians,[112] Arabians, Ethiopians of Africa,[113] Ethiopians of Baluchistan,[114] Libyans,[115] Paphlagonians, Ligyes, Matieni, Mariandyni, Cappadocians,[116] Phrygians, Armenians,[117] Lydians, Mysians,[118] Asian Thracians,[119] Lasonii, Milyae,[120] Moschi, Tibareni, Macrones, Mossynoeci,[121] Mares, Colchians, Alarodians, Saspirians,[122] Red Sea islanders,[123] Sagartians,[124] Indians,[125] Eordi, Bottiaei, Chalcidians, Brygians, Pierians, Perrhaebi, Enienes, Dolopes, and Magnesians.

Every Balkanite gets Asia minor and also north Italians do. according to you its because of that? Go check your IQ level. Haplogroups and their subclades would easily be identified with such people. So far, the predominant haplogroups in the balkans/albs, except for i2a, have also been found among Thracian samples.

Ancient balkan autosomal dna samples also shows asia minor %


Since when anatolian and caucasian is european?
23andme is not good as it counts neolithic input as european..

I didnt say its european you low iq gaymark sockpuppet. But its neolithic. By that logic there is no "european". Of course it should be counted as European. If you go far enough back then nothing is European, what makes you stop at neolithic? 23andme doesnt test that far or ancient. Its extremely accurate for what it does, finding your genetic composition within the last 500 years.

[Figaro]

The only sample result I could find on the internet. I'm planning on ordering the test sometime later, and will probably post the results on this forum at that time.

I definitely think it looks better than Ftdna...This new test can only break your ancestry down into 25 populations but in the next couple of months they are going to expand that to 100+ categories, which is definitely much higher than all the major dna testing companies out right now.. Their format looks reminiscent of 23andme's way. They even break down your ancestry to the decimal point, something Ftdna doesn't do, thus is useful for people such as Americans who are looking to discover minor trace amounts of Native American ancestry. MyHeritage as a genealogy platform also has a 17.2million members user base as well, which if I'm not mistaken is much higher than Ancestry.com's.

ahh Okay. Sorry, I misinterpreted the intent of that post. I thought those were your results. Whoops.

[Iloko]

ahh Okay. Sorry, I misinterpreted the intent of that post. I thought those were your results. Whoops.
Np. Would be a total piece of crap analysis if it said I was 96% Euro lol. :P

[RenaRyuguu]

They already have my sample. But Im skeptical. I see Europeans there who get only like 60% Euro.

I highly dislike FTDNA's website. It only has good raw data

[Leto]

If you're of Eastern or Southeastern European origin, it wouldn't be bad for you.

It only has good raw data
Not anymore. They started to impute data earlier this year.