Is there more Albanian and Slavic ancestry in Italians or in Greeks?

[Sikeliot]

A delusional user here thinks there is more Albanian and Slavic admixture in Italians than in Greeks. I do not believe this to be true.

[Sikeliot]

There is no way there is more Albanian DNA in Italy. Arbereshe are not regarded as Italians and segregated themselves in one or two towns (like Contessa Entellina in Sicily).

[catgeorge]

Al the Albanians in Greece preferred to be try hard Nords with their make believe Nord brothers and sisters in North Italy but North Italians did not let them in so they came into Greece

I strongly question this policy why North Italians did not allow Albanians settle in Italy????

Why did Greece have to put up with this again?

http://i.imgur.com/KDwrtza.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/XaKBRNi.jpg

http://m.snopes.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/syriaboat.jpg

[Laberia]

Even between the two.

Albanians have been flooding into Italy for 2 millennia and assimilating perfectly just like the millions of slavs in the north around cities like Trieste.

Greece has has massive Albanian movement - although unlike Italy, many were killed simply for being Albanian by people like Kolokotronis. The Hellenized Albanians - Arvanites however were allowed to stay. The slav mixture in Greece is not as much as North Eastern Italy, but noticeable in North and North East Greece.

Just for curiosity. Who allowed Arvanites to stay in Greece?

[Kelmendasi]

Al the Albanians in Greece preferred to be try hard Nords with their make believe Nord brothers and sisters in North Italy but North Italians did not let them in so they came into Greece

I strongly question this policy why North Italians did not allow Albanians settle in Italy????

Why did Greece have to put up with this again?

http://i.imgur.com/KDwrtza.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/XaKBRNi.jpg

http://m.snopes.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/syriaboat.jpg
The first two pics are of Albanians going to Italy(Bari) not Greece and the third is a Syrian refugee boat not an Albanian one

[Drawing-slim]

Amongst true, true modern day italians there can only be albanian blood.

[ArgentinianAngel]

in greeks by far, not even a contest

[The.Mask]

Even between the two.

Albanians have been flooding into Italy for 2 millennia and assimilating perfectly just like the millions of slavs in the north around cities like Trieste.

Greece has has massive Albanian movement - although unlike Italy, many were killed simply for being Albanian by people like Kolokotronis. The Hellenized Albanians - Arvanites however were allowed to stay. The slav mixture in Greece is not as much as North Eastern Italy, but noticeable in North and North East Greece.

You are a delusional neo greek mongrel son.

Kolokostronis was Albanian or Arvanites also, and if you are '' referring' to some obscure story of his father and not him, killing albanian mercenaries, who cmomitted many massacres in Peloponnese for 10 years ( which is not even proven) that conquered Peloponese in 1770 and kept it conquered for 10 years) than you are even more of an idiot that i thought.

Arvanites conquered and settled in huge numbers in what is now southern greece in middle ages, killed everything in their path and many of the lands they settled in, were already deserts.

Modern greeks are a mix of 10 different ethnicites and you have large albanian sperm in your veins.

[The.Mask]

The Ottomans. They encouraged Turks, Slavs, Albanians etc to populate Greece. They believed the more mixed Greece was, the less likely it would be to revolt. The Albanians who assimilated Greek culture over these occupation centuries (language, religion and intermarried with Greeks) became known as Arvanites and stayed - Greeks took up no arms against them and they helped in the revolution. Albanians - proud to be Albanian - still speaking Albanian etc were burned alive in their towers in many cases by Greeks in the Peloponnese as they refused to leave Greec and has allegiance to the Ottomans. Sadly many Albanian speakers born in Greece were fighting for the Ottomans against the Greeks and Arvanites in specialised Ottoman units in the Peloponnese during the revolution. It is all in the diaries of Kolokotronis.

Kollokotroni, my monobrow brown neo greek, actually allowed 4,000 albanian soldiers to leave Tropolitza and not a single albanian soldier was touched in the first years of the revolution by the revolutionaries, most of them being also Orthodox Albanians.

You subhumans always refer to a memory which is not even proven, of the father of Kolokotroni fighting aganist albanian mercenaries in 1780, albanian mercenaries that kept Peloponese under control for 10 years from 1770 ( when they crushed Orlvo revolt) till 1779. In 1787 Peloponnese would come back under Albanian Control, when the great albanian ruler, Ali Pashe of Tepelena would take it over and make it part of his kingdom.

You mongrels are more than delusional really, Arvanites were the rulers of those lands and Athens was an albanian speaking village.

[The.Mask]

Just for curiosity. Who allowed Arvanites to stay in Greece?

Their dicks and their swords.

Roman Emperor Kanaktusenos in 1440 even changed his name into Gjin in honor of Albanians, as the Albanians of Peloponnese and Athens were the last warriors and rulers of tjose lands and the last protecting wall of the Roman/Byzantine Empire.

[Dema]

Al the Albanians


Brave posting for someone with Albanian Ydna and typical Arvanite face :D

[Laberia]

The Ottomans. They allowed Turks, Slavs - everything. They believed the more mixed Greece was, the less likely it would be to revolt.
No, you are wrong. The migration of Albanians in Greece predate the invasion of Ottomans. Of course the migration continue after, during the Ottoman occupation. But according to your sources, i am quoting Greek Helsinki here:
So, some have estimated that, when the Ottomans conquered the whole Greek territory in the XV century, some 45% of it was populated by Albanians (Trudgill, 1975:6). Another wave of Muslim Albanian migrations took place during the Ottoman period, mainly in the XVIII century (Trudgill, 1975:6; Banfi, 1994:19). All these Albanians are the ancestors of modern-day Arvanites in Central and Southern Greece.

The Albanians who assimilated Greek culture over these centuries (language, religion and intermarried with Greeks) became known as Arvanites and stayed - Greeks took up no arms against them and they helped in the revolution. Albanians - proud to be Albanian - still speaking Albanian were burned alive in their towers in many cases in the Peloponnese as they refused to leave Greece. Sadly many Albanian speakers were fighting for the Ottomans against the Greeks in specialised units in the Peloponnese during the revolution. It is all in the diaries of Kolokotronis.

The rest of your post can be perfectly used as illustration in a thread dedicated to the procces of brainwashing of greeks during the XX century.

[Laberia]

Their dicks and their swords.

Roman Emperor Kanaktusenos in 1440 even changed his name into Gjin in honor of Albanians, as the Albanians of Peloponnese and Athens were the last warriors and rulers of tjose lands and the last protecting wall of the Roman/Byzantine Empire.
+1.000
Exactly.

[Ujku]

Brave posting for someone with Albanian Ydna and typical Arvanite face :D

Where can i see his face

[Dema]

Where can i see his face

Ask him to send you : D

[The.Mask]

+1.000
Exactly.

Ironically, the last lands that belong to neo Greece today that felt under the Ottoman conquest were Epirus, Corinth and Athens/Pelopopnnese, all lands under Albanian rulers or ruled by Albanians loooool. Do you catch the irony?

And these mongrels have the boles to talk about the Ottoman invasion.

[The.Mask]

As stated I am referring to Kolokotronis' own diaries. It has not been translated in Arabic so I doubt you have a copy in your local mosque. The diaries are famous - as they are one of the best accounts of the Greek revolution. Sadly he does not claim Arvanite descent - or Albanian - but does describe burning Albanians alive in towers because they refused to leave Greece.

Listen son, just because they circumcised your small penis for Islam - don't think that means your race is off the hook for the number 1 people traffickers in Europe. Again, if I want a stolen prostitute - I will ask your advice - or a stolen Mercedes. If I want Greek history - I will sooner ask an Egyptian than an muslim Albanian.

You can still buy Koloktronis diaries. He talks about his family, his exploits. It is a super read. Again - not in arabic, but it is in basic english.

Warning - don't steal this book. Pay money for it.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Kolokotroniss-Memoirs-Theodoros-Kolokotrones/dp/1482028859

Listen here you son of an ugly neo greek slut, you disgusting mongrel, arab looking subhuman ( do you remember when you were classified as a gypsy by most of the members here, common look among neo greeks), I am orthodox and Orthodox since the times of Saint Paul, but a mongrel such as you is not smart enough to read among lines of the profiles of the members.

There are no diaries of Kollokotroni, as he was illiterate and even in these so called '' diaries'' not a single line mentiones albanians. There is only one very doubtful paragraph if his father than speaks of his fathers struggle against albanian conquereors/mercenaries in 1779 in Acrania.

Kolokotrni used to wear albanian costumes, used to dance albanian dances, was part of an Albanian regiment, was blood brother with another albanian etc etc etc.

As a neo greek, a bastard of albanian sperm, you should come and ask me who neo greeks are.

However me as an albanian, i wil come to ask you about stolen money or fraud, as neo greeks have stolen europe and have created the most successful frauds in the history of europe.

If an ugly mongrel such as you wants a hooker, ( because a gypsy neo greek such as you is able to bang only hookers) go in Athens as there are 700 brothels there full of your ugly compatriots .

You do not have albanian or arvanite invader sperm dont worry, you look lie a gypsy, so it is impossible for you to be arvanite.

[The.Mask]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/95/a5/b3/95a5b3e60be103fdd89b9c9f6f148ded.gif

Laberia, please find the paragraph when Manule Kanatkuzemos refers to the Albanian rulers and albanian Population of Athens and Peloponnese as the last protectors of Roman empire and Constantinople ( he refers to them as Illyrians also ) , changes his name to Gjin etc to this gypsy looking neo greek?

[crazyladybutterfly]

There is no way there is more Albanian DNA in Italy. Arbereshe are not regarded as Italians and segregated themselves in one or two towns (like Contessa Entellina in Sicily).

1 - they feel italians
2- there are way more than just 2 cities

[crazyladybutterfly]

i there is more in greece , except for friuli venezia giulia (regarding slavic not albanian of course lol )

[The.Mask]

Listen you dumb taliban goat fucker - Albanians are known as the shittest race in Europe. Why? Look in a mirror. Even your signature of the two bum-fuckers with guns stinks of your broken race. You lie and steal and you have muhammed in your breath and a Turk fucking your ass while you do it. Again, stolen women - stolen Mercedes, you are great at. NO ONE DENIES THIS. But everything else.. you know the story.. the toilet of Europe - and your re-invention of history... pathetic. You got a member with a bust of Phyrrus for fucks sakes. :picard1:


Neo greeks, the arab and turks of europe, ugly hairy subhumans and rape of springs ov every one who passed though those lands

http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/121009033859-06-greece-protest-merkel-horizontal-large-gallery.jpg
http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/150630132425-athens-protest-exlarge-169.jpg
http://greece.greekreporter.com/files/greece-protest-cp-97683591.jpg
http://www.counterfire.org/images/stories/jun2016/greece_protest.jpg
https://www.thenationalherald.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Young-Greeks-AP.jpg
http://www.dw.com/image/36694405_304.jpg

You subhumans are literally the off springs of arabs in europe.

I could have fucked 15 different horce faces greek women if i wanted to, but my morality did not allow me.

An arab-turkish rape of spring such as you, would be confused for a taliban calling other talibans loo9l?

Those 2 guys in my sig, are pure europeans, while you are a goat fukcer rape off spring bastard, a gypsy looking subhuman.

You have stolen 400 billion euroes and you are a country for sale, you are the gypsies of europe, going bankrupt in times of peace and the process is still going.

What is a brown neo greek subhuman such as you doing in england anyways? You are making the country browner than already is??

Who is the descendant of Phyrros, a brown rape of spring such as you?

[MinervaItalica]

You (op) care too much about these things (for an American), relax, take a camomilla.

OT: Depends which regions of Italy. As crazy said, in Friuli is probably higher (slavic) but also in Molise where there is a Croats community
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molise_Croats

[DarknessWin]

I disagree with the term albanian and slavic.
But Greece have much more North-East (the so called slavic)
from the ancient times until today

[DarknessWin]

Neo greeks, the arab and turks of europe, ugly hairy subhumans and rape of springs ov every one who passed though those lands

http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/121009033859-06-greece-protest-merkel-horizontal-large-gallery.jpg
http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/150630132425-athens-protest-exlarge-169.jpg
http://greece.greekreporter.com/files/greece-protest-cp-97683591.jpg
http://www.counterfire.org/images/stories/jun2016/greece_protest.jpg
https://www.thenationalherald.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Young-Greeks-AP.jpg
http://www.dw.com/image/36694405_304.jpg

You subhumans are literally the off springs of arabs in europe.

I could have fucked 15 different horce faces greek women if i wanted to, but my morality did not allow me.

An arab-turkish rape of spring such as you, would be confused for a taliban calling other talibans loo9l?

Those 2 guys in my sig, are pure europeans, while you are a goat fukcer rape off spring bastard, a gypsy looking subhuman.

You have stolen 400 billion euroes and you are a country for sale, you are the gypsies of europe, going bankrupt in times of peace and the process is still going.

What is a brown neo greek subhuman such as you doing in england anyways? You are making the country browner than already is??

Who is the descendant of Phyrros, a brown rape of spring such as you?


First of all Turks were not brown, they was yellow mongoloids. Greece have 0% Asian DNA .PROVEN
Second Arabs (Orientalids) dont exist in Greece.

These brown people you say are just Meds, pure Meds who belong here from thousand of years.
Read Aristotelis to educate yourself

About "horseface" people you probably speak about Atlanto-Meds, these people are pure West Europeans ,
your ball head people belong to east and Caucasus. Turks are ball head like you.
Funny because in your signature have 2 horsefaced albanians too .LOL

I see you have much hate , come and suck my cock fucking clown. Come with your mother.PUSSY

[Laberia]

Laberia, please find the paragraph when Manule Kanatkuzemos refers to the Albanian rulers and albanian Population of Athens and Peloponnese as the last protectors of Roman empire and Constantinople ( he refers to them as Illyrians also ) , changes his name to Gjin etc to this gypsy looking neo greek?
Here it is, Gjin and Cuchia, Kuqja, the Red. Probaly because the color of her hair.
https://ia802604.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderImages.php?zip=/3/items/latinsinlevanta00millgoog/latinsinlevanta00millgoog_jp2.zip&file=latinsinlevanta00millgoog_jp2/latinsinlevanta00millgoog_0456.jp2&scale=8&rotate=0
The Latins in the Levant, a history of Frankish Greece (1204-1566)
by Miller, William, 1864-1945
https://archive.org/details/latinsinlevanta00millgoog

[Kelmendasi]

First of all Turks were not brown, they was yellow mongoloids. Greece have 0% Asian DNA .PROVEN
Second Arabs (Orientalids) dont exist in Greece.

These brown people you say are just Meds, pure Meds who belong here from thousand of years.
Read Aristotelis to educate yourself

About "horseface" people you probably speak about Atlanto-Meds, these people are pure West Europeans ,
your ball head people belong to east and Caucasus. Turks are ball head like you.
Funny because in your signature have 2 horsefaced albanians too .LOL

I see you have much hate , come and suck my cock fucking clown. Come with your mother.PUSSY
Well that's a lie
http://i58.tinypic.com/aemqlz.jpg

[Laberia]

Listen you dumb taliban goat fucker - Albanians are known as the shittest race in Europe. Why? Look in a mirror. Even your signature of the two bum-fuckers with guns stinks of your broken race. You lie and steal and you have muhammed in your breath and a Turk fucking your ass while you do it. Again, stolen women - stolen Mercedes, you are great at. NO ONE DENIES THIS.

26 GREEK LOAN.
The first Greek loan was contracted early in 1824. The Greeks received about £300,000, and they engaged to pay annually £40,000 as interest, as the capital of the debt created was £800,000 at five per cent. The lenders risked their money to deliver Greece, and they have never received a shilling of interest or a syllable of gratitude from the thousands whom their money enriched. Indeed, the Greeks generally appear to have considered the loan as a small payment for the debt due by civilised society to the country that produced Homer and Plato. The modem Greek habit of reducing everything to a pecuniary standard, made Homer, Plato, & Co. creditors for a large capital and an enormous accumulation of unpaid interest.

History of the Greek Revolution
by George Finlay
The famous Grek Debt. You have to register it as a trademark, so you can use and make more money.

But everything else.. you know the story.. the toilet of Europe - and your re-invention of history... pathetic. You got a member with a bust of Phyrrus for fucks sakes and you are willing to have him cum on your lips to invent an Emperor of Byzantine renamed himself an Albanian name. :picard1:

http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag64/tm3album/Greek%20Distortions/Pyrrhus_zps39bb6645.jpg
http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag64/tm3album/Greek%20Distortions/Pyrrhus222_zps297432b8.jpg
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http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag64/tm3album/Greek%20Distortions/Pyrrhus225_zps5e6f2e2f.jpg


Finlay, History of the Greek Revolution, Volume 1, page 17-18

"The Greeks have forged many written charters. Mr Tricoupi published one as genuine in the second volume of his History of Greece which carries proofs of its forgery, even though the date is omitted in Tricoupi's copy. Mr Argyropoulos in his work on the Municipal Administration of Greece, (in Greek), p.25 gives a copy of the document, with the date, year of the Hegira 1036 -i.e., A.D. 1626. It purports to be a ratification by Sultan Ibrahim of priviledges granted by Suleiman the Magnificent to Naxos and other islands. Sultan Ibrahim ascended the throne in 1640. The document is full of historical and chronological blunders, and the part which is genuine is transcribed from a charter of a more modern date, or the blunders could not have been committed"

One of them is very famous, Constantine Simonides (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_Simonides)- Greek Forger .

Ilias Petropoulos on Macedonian and Greek Issues
Quote:
This reminds me of the time I sent a letter to Melina Merkouri, then Greek Minister of Culture, to let her know that a certain group of archeologists were planning to remove Bogomil graves from the territory of Macedonia to prove that Slavs never set foot in this Greek territory. I saw this with my own eyes and even took photographs which I later sent to Athens and Paris.

by Greek archaeologist Yannis Hamilakis.
"Apart from recovering material proof of the Hellenicity of an area, archaeologists were also often called upon to cleanse and purify a recently conquered area from any linguistic and material traces of ‘barbarity’. For example, following the conquest of parts of Macedonia and Epirus during the Balkan Wars, the council of the Athens Archaeological Society formed a committee with the participation of archaeologists
from the State Archaeological Service, to ‘cleanse the country from the barbarous names’, to find out the ancient Greek names for the specific places and to Hellenize Turkish, Slavic, and Albanian names
in the cases where ancient Greek ones could not be found (Anon.1914: 73)."

I have to admit, you are experts in this kind of things.

[Laberia]

:jump0000::jump0000:





You said Roman Emperor Kanaktusenos in 1440. Why did you lie? There is nothing to steal to here. This is what I said about albanians - when there is nothing physical to steal - you steal history. Looks like the the mask now has your cum dripping through his mouthpiece just as he asked for. You pay for Albanian knowledge - you get dog shit.

Did you notice something interesting in the page of the book posted by me? Those events happened in Greece not in Albania.

[Sikeliot]

Well that's a lie
http://i58.tinypic.com/aemqlz.jpg

This is an islander from Chios, right?

I think it must be... lower Balkan, higher Italian means islander. And there is lower MENA than a Cretan would get.

[Ujku]

Sant feliu , Man cut the bullshit as time passes more and more people learn the real history of modern Greeks and who they are, You can't hide it forever.

Enough with the Greek propaganda.

[Kelmendasi]

This is an islander from Chios, right?

I think it must be... lower Balkan, higher Italian means islander. And there is lower MENA than a Cretan would get.
Definitely an Islander although i'm not sure what specific Island, I got this result from http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php/41342-Italian-Sicilian-and-Greek-23andme-results!

[Laberia]

As stated I am referring to Kolokotronis' own diaries. It has not been translated in Arabic so I doubt you have a copy in your local mosque. The diaries are famous - as they are one of the best accounts of the Greek revolution. Sadly he does not claim Arvanite descent - or Albanian - but does describe burning Albanians alive in towers because they refused to leave Greece.

Listen son, just because they circumcised your small penis for Islam - don't think that means your race is off the hook for the number 1 people traffickers in Europe. Again, if I want a stolen prostitute - I will ask your advice - or a stolen Mercedes. If I want Greek history - I will sooner ask an Egyptian than an muslim Albanian.

You can still buy Koloktronis diaries. He talks about his family, his exploits. It is a super read. Again - not in arabic, but it is in basic english.

Warning - don't steal this book. Pay money for it.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Kolokotroniss-Memoirs-Theodoros-Kolokotrones/dp/1482028859
It`s interesting the fact that he learned to write in prison and after he was liberated from the prison, he had changed some strange ideas that he has at his head:
Kolokotronis before te prison:
https://teleologikos.wordpress.com/2006/03/24/%CE%BC%CF%8D%CE%B8%CE%BF%CE%B9-%CE%BA%CE%B1%CE%B9-%CF%80%CF%81%CE%B1%CE%B3%CE%BC%CE%B1%CF%84%CE%B9%C E%BA%CF%8C%CF%84%CE%B7%CF%84%CE%B5%CF%82-%CE%B3%CE%B9%CE%B1-%CF%84%CE%B1-400-%CE%AD%CF%84%CE%B7/
Μύθοι και Πραγματικότητες για τα 400 έτη και το 1821…

Ο Οδυσσέας Ανδρούτσος ήταν Αρβανίτης;

Ναι. Και μουσουλμάνος επίσης. Όπως και οι μισοί σχεδόν αγωνιστές της Ελληνικής Επανάστασης.

Γιατί φυλακίστηκε ο Κολοκοτρώνης;

Η αλήθεια είναι ότι οραματιζόταν τη δημιουργία ενιαίου κράτους μεταξύ Ελλήνων κι Αρβανιτών με σημαία το σταυρό και την ημισέληνο.

Αυτά τα ολίγα απ’ όσα μπόρεσα να προλάβω σήμερα να γράψω συμβουλευόμενος τα βιβλία μου, υπάρχουν βέβαια πολλά άλλα, μα ο χρόνος και η διάθεση με περιορίζει και γι αυτό διάλεξα τα πιο χαρακτηριστικά. Επιφυλάσσομαι για το αν θα γράψω κι άλλα…

Gg translator:

Myths and realities from 400 to 1821...

Odysseus Androutsos was Arvanitis?

Yes. And Muslim also. As almost half fighters Greek Revolution.

Why Kolokotronis was imprisoned?

The truth is that envisioned the creation of a unified state between Greeks and Arvanites flag with the cross and the crescent.

These few from what I could today I could write my books in consultation, of course there are many more, but the time and mood with limits and therefore chose the most typical. I reserve the right whether to write and more ...

Sources:

Apostle Vakalopoulos, History of Modern Hellenism
Arnold Toynbee, the Greeks and their heritage
Claus Rafailidis, tragicomic history of modern Greek Nation
Spyridon Trikoupis, History of the Greek Revolution
Kolokotronis Memoirs
Makrigianni Memoirs


http://greece.greekreporter.com/2013/03/24/tragic-end-of-1821s-greek-heroes/

Tragic End of 1821′s Greek Heroes

By Stella Tsolakidou on March 24, 2013 in Featured, History, News

The Greek War of Independence commenced in 1821 and waged until 1832when the Greek free state was finally established under the blessings and the needs of the then powerful allies of the Greek revolutionaries, the British, the French and the Russian. The national day celebrated on March 25th pays tribute to all men, women and children who lost their lives for the dream of a sovereign free country, and especially to the heroes of the Greek Revolution that risked their lives for freedom from the Ottoman Empire. But as always, there are black pages in every history book of the world, and Greece’s were not an exception. Although it goes mostly unnoticed, the fact is that many Greek captains of the Revolution were sent to jail during and after the war against the Ottomans. Others were pushed aside by the newly formed state as too dangerous for the common good or too unpredictable for the reigning forces.

Here follow some of the most exemplary and tragic stories of the Greek captains of 1821, who ended up underprivileged, captured, begging on the streets and even dead.

Nikitas Stamatelopoulos or Nikitaras or the Turk-eater died in September 25, 1849, totally forgotten and poor.The brave and honorable man who stood out in the battle of Dervenakia and was told to have broken three swords with his fury in the battlefield, was groundlessly accused of conspiracy against King Otto and was sent to prison first in Palamidi (along with his uncle and Revolution captain Theodoros Kolokotronis) and then on the island of Aegina.

When the then Greek Prime Minister Ioannis Kolettis asked him to kill a rival and former captain of the Greek Independence war, Odysseas Androutsos, in exchange for a government position, Nikitaras refused the offer and became angry with Kolettis. He also refused to take booty after the victorious battle of Tripolis, a normal practice of Balkan irregulars at the time.

Nikitaras was released from prison in 1841, but the period in jail broke his health and he was almost blind due to diabetes problems. The Greek state refused to grant him and his family any descent pension to make a living, but instead allowed him to beg before a Virgin Mary church every Friday. In 1843, when King Otto was forced to sign the Constitution, Nikitaras was given the title of major general and an insignificant pension. He died in 1849 in Piraeus.

A major hero of the Greek War of Independence, Odysseas Androutsos earned the title of Commander in Chief of the Greek forces in Roumeli, but his glory did not last long. His intense personality and constant conflicts with the “kalamarades” as he called the politicians and the clergy resulted in making him suspicious of the politics followed at the time. In spring 1822 Ioannis Kolettis accused him of betrayal and cooperation with the Ottomans, so that Androutsos gave up his title as Commander in Chief but never gave up his fighting against them. Seieng through the scheming of politics, Androutsos retired in a cave, the Black Hole, totally disappointed with the newly emerged state of the Greeks after the independence war.

There, in his cave north of Parnassus Mountain, Androutsos’ isolation made Kolettis and his enemies even more suspicious of his intentions and soon he was accused of making agreements with the enemy against the interests of the Greeks. Androutsos, however, is said to have called for the cooperation of the Ottomans in order to take them by surprise and fight them from the inside. The arrest of Kolokotronis made Andoutsos even more hostile towards politicians. Then the government in 1825 assigned to Yiannis Gouras, a close lieutenant of Androutsos, with the mission to take care of Androutsos. Androutsos finally surrendered to the government forces and was led to an Athens prison. Karaiskakis, another major figure of the Greek Independence war, was outraged by his imprisonment and even attempted to rescue his fellow fighter. The attempt failed and to cool things down Gouras asked for the government’s help.

The trial date for Androutsos was pending now, but on June 5 at midnight Gouras gave the order and five men including an unknown priest entered Androutsos’ cage and killed him after hours of torture. The lifeless body of Androutsos was then pushed off the prison tower of Goula down to the Temple of Athena Nike of the Acropolis. Androutsos’ death was declared as a failed escape attempt.

Laskarina Bouboulina was a Greek naval commander and heroine of the Greek Revolution. Being married twice to prosperous husbands, Bouboulina bought arms and ammunition at her own expense and brought them secretly to the island of Spetses on her ships, to fight for the sake of her nation. Construction of her ship Agamemnon was finished in 1820. She bribed Turkish officials to ignore the ship’s size and it was later one of the largest warships in the hands of Greek rebels. She also organized her own armed troops, composed of men from Spetses. She used most of her fortune to provide food and ammunition for the sailors and soldiers under her command.

The people of Spetses revolted on 3 April, and later joined forces with ships from other Greek islands. Bouboulina sailed with eight ships to Nafplion and began a naval blockade. Later she took part in the naval blockade and capture of Monemvasia and Pylos.

When the opposing factions erupted into the second civil war in 1824, the Greek government arrested Bouboulina for her family connection with now-imprisoned Kolokotronis; the government also killed her son-in-law Panos Kolokotronis. With the order to be arrested, she was exiled back to Spetses poor and disappointed by the new Greek reality. In 1825, while Ibrahim Pasha of Egypt disembarked in Pylos in a final attempt to smother the revolution, Bouboulina began preparing for new battles despite her animosity towards the politicians. However, on May 22 of the same year, Bouboulina would die a tragic death. Her younger son from her first marriage fell in love with the daughter of the powerful Koutsaios family of Spetses and the couple fled to the house of Bouboulina’s first husband. Bouboulina and the Koutsaios soon arrives at the house and after a long and furious dispute, Ioannis Koutsis shot her in the head fatally. The case was closed and no-one ever put the perpetratorson on trial.

Manto Mavrogenous was a Greek heroine of the Greek War of Independence. A rich woman, who spent all her fortune on the Hellenic cause. Under her encouragement, her European friends contributed money and guns to the revolution. When the struggle began, she went to Mykonos, the island of her origin, and invited the leaders there to join the revolution.

She equipped, manned and “privatized” at her own expense, two ships with which she pursued the pirates who attacked Mykonos and other islands of the Cyclades. She also equipped 150 men to campaign in the Peloponnese and sent forces and financial support to Samos, when the island was threatened by the Turks. Later, Mavrogenous sent another corps of fifty men to Peloponnese, who took part in the Siege of Tripolitsa and the fall of the town to the Greek rebels. She spent money on the relief of the soldiers and their families, the preparation of a campaign to Northern Greece and the support of several philhellenes. She also sent a group of fifty men to reinforce Nikitaras in the Battle of Dervenakia.

She moved to Nafplio in 1823, in order to be in the core of the struggle, leaving her family as she was despised even by her mother because of her choices. After her unfortunate love story with Dimitrios Ypsilantis, Mavrogenous lived depressed for a while in Nafplion. After Ypsilanti’s death and her political conflicts with Ioannis Kolettis, she was exiled from Nafplio and returned to Mykonos to live in extreme poverty. When the war ended, Greek Prime Minister Ioannis Kapodistrias awarded her the rank of the Lieutenant General and granted her a dwelling in Nafplio, where she moved. She left for the island of Paros in 1840, where she died in July 1848, in oblivion and poverty.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thMH-JQ6gU8
Γρηγόρης Μπιθικώτσης ...στ' αρχίδια μου - Grigoris Bithikotsis
συνέντευξη
Γρηγόρης Μπιθικώτσης
ΘΑΝΑΣΗΣ ΛΑΛΑΣ

- Αφού είναι ωραία η ζωή, γιατί να τελειώνει;
«Είναι νόμος, τελειώνει. Εγώ διαβάζω πολύ, πιστεύω ότι λίγοι άνθρωποι διαβάζουν όσο διαβάζω εγώ. Τώρα διαβάζω το ένθετο που έχουν τα "Νέα" για την ιστορία του αιώνα. Και λέει τι τράβηξε το κάθε κράτος, πόσες φορές έγιναν πόλεμοι, πόσοι πέρασαν απ' την Ελλάδα... Εγώ θα σου πω κάτι που δεν το ξέρεις ούτε εσύ ούτε κανείς. Πώς πέθανε ο Καραϊσκάκης; Και γιατί λέμε - θα το γράψεις έτσι όπως θα σ' το πω - γιατί λέμε "στ' αρχίδια μου"; Ο Καραϊσκάκης ήταν στρατηγός στον Περαία και ο Κουντουριώτης ήταν ναύαρχος. Τους άλλαξε λοιπόν ο Καποδίστριας μ' ένα στρατηγό που δε θυμάμαι τώρα τ' όνομά του και στη θέση του Κουντουριώτη έβαλε έναν άλλο ναύαρχο. Ο της ξηράς στρατηγός τού είπε του Καραϊσκάκη ότι μες στον Αγιο Σπυρίδωνα στον Περαία είναι τρακόσιοι Aρβανίτες μουσουλμάνοι και θα πας εκεί έτσι κι αλλιώς κι αλλιώτικα. Ο Καραϊσκάκης τότε του είπε ότι "αυτό που μου λες το γράφω στ' αρχίδια μου". Ο άλλος τσαντίστηκε επειδή τσαντίστηκε ο Καραϊσκάκης. Σου λέει, στρατηγός είμαι κι εγώ, θα μου πεις πώς να πάω στον Αγιο Σπυρίδωνα στους Αρβανίτες που έχουν κλειστεί εκεί μέσα; Αφού Αρβανίτης ήταν κι ο Καραϊσκάκης. Οπότε ο στρατηγός ο άλλος έβαλε έναν Τούρκο και του 'ριξε μια σφαίρα στο αφτί και πέθανε ο Καραϊσκάκης. Το ξέρεις αυτό;».

interview
Gregory Bithikotsis
Thanasis LALAS

- Once is good life, why should it end?
"It's law, he ends. I read a lot, I believe that few people read as I read. Now read the insert have the "New" about the history of the century. And he says what drew each state, how many times were wars, how many passed from Greece ... I'll tell you something you did not know, neither you nor anyone. How Karaiskakis died? And why say - will write it as it would to say - because we say "at my balls"? Karaiskakis was general in Pireus and Kountouriotis was admiral. Then Kapodistrias changed him with a general who now do not remember his name and at the position of Kountourioti put another admiral. The land general told him that amid the Karaiskaki in Agios Spyridon in Pireus were 300 Albanian Muslims and will go there anyway and otherwise. Karaiskakis then told him that "what you say I write at 'my balls." The other pissed pissed because Karaiskakis. he says, I am strategist and I will tell me how to go to Saint Spyridon the Albanians who have booked in there? Because Arvanitis was also Karaiskakis. So the general the other put a Turk and 'throw a bullet in the ear and Kara died. You know this?".

[Laberia]

I noticed there is a difference between a muslim and christian and a difference between a Roman Emperor and a local despot from the Morea. The Mask has so much cum in his eyes, even Parisian Albanian pimps wont know the remedy for getting it out. What we need is a global version of the film Taken to cure this culture of stealing.

The idea that a Roman Emperor would give himself a Albanian name is post of the century. I know why the Mask invented the lie.. I mean man.. if I had a dick that small and a schizophrenic inferiority complex that big - I would claim I single-handedly built the space rocket and went to the moon. I understood why the Mask just lied so badly - it makes you want to give money to mentally damaged children just to feel better about his situation.. It beats your Phyrrus avatar hands down. You Albanians would be legends of comedy if it wasn't for being the number one race of trafficking humans for the sex trade in Europe.

You are a small kid. I find funny some of your post and i appreciate your sense of humor. Alla eise mikruli, den ta xeris ola. The history is a little bit different from the mantra that they teach you in your schools.

[DarknessWin]

Well that's a lie
http://i58.tinypic.com/aemqlz.jpg

Where you found this ?? Its for Greek population??

Anyway , again it give <0.1% Asian so this is 0% Turkish
LOL you have fun , you cant even read

[DarknessWin]

It`s interesting the fact that he learned to write in prison and after he was liberated from the prison, he had changed some strange ideas that he has at his head:
Kolokotronis before te prison:
https://teleologikos.wordpress.com/2006/03/24/%CE%BC%CF%8D%CE%B8%CE%BF%CE%B9-%CE%BA%CE%B1%CE%B9-%CF%80%CF%81%CE%B1%CE%B3%CE%BC%CE%B1%CF%84%CE%B9%C E%BA%CF%8C%CF%84%CE%B7%CF%84%CE%B5%CF%82-%CE%B3%CE%B9%CE%B1-%CF%84%CE%B1-400-%CE%AD%CF%84%CE%B7/
Μύθοι και Πραγματικότητες για τα 400 έτη και το 1821…

Ο Οδυσσέας Ανδρούτσος ήταν Αρβανίτης;

Ναι. Και μουσουλμάνος επίσης. Όπως και οι μισοί σχεδόν αγωνιστές της Ελληνικής Επανάστασης.

Γιατί φυλακίστηκε ο Κολοκοτρώνης;

Η αλήθεια είναι ότι οραματιζόταν τη δημιουργία ενιαίου κράτους μεταξύ Ελλήνων κι Αρβανιτών με σημαία το σταυρό και την ημισέληνο.

Αυτά τα ολίγα απ’ όσα μπόρεσα να προλάβω σήμερα να γράψω συμβουλευόμενος τα βιβλία μου, υπάρχουν βέβαια πολλά άλλα, μα ο χρόνος και η διάθεση με περιορίζει και γι αυτό διάλεξα τα πιο χαρακτηριστικά. Επιφυλάσσομαι για το αν θα γράψω κι άλλα…

Gg translator:

Myths and realities from 400 to 1821...

Odysseus Androutsos was Arvanitis?

Yes. And Muslim also. As almost half fighters Greek Revolution.

Why Kolokotronis was imprisoned?

The truth is that envisioned the creation of a unified state between Greeks and Arvanites flag with the cross and the crescent.

These few from what I could today I could write my books in consultation, of course there are many more, but the time and mood with limits and therefore chose the most typical. I reserve the right whether to write and more ...

Sources:

Apostle Vakalopoulos, History of Modern Hellenism
Arnold Toynbee, the Greeks and their heritage
Claus Rafailidis, tragicomic history of modern Greek Nation
Spyridon Trikoupis, History of the Greek Revolution
Kolokotronis Memoirs
Makrigianni Memoirs


http://greece.greekreporter.com/2013/03/24/tragic-end-of-1821s-greek-heroes/

Tragic End of 1821′s Greek Heroes

By Stella Tsolakidou on March 24, 2013 in Featured, History, News

The Greek War of Independence commenced in 1821 and waged until 1832when the Greek free state was finally established under the blessings and the needs of the then powerful allies of the Greek revolutionaries, the British, the French and the Russian. The national day celebrated on March 25th pays tribute to all men, women and children who lost their lives for the dream of a sovereign free country, and especially to the heroes of the Greek Revolution that risked their lives for freedom from the Ottoman Empire. But as always, there are black pages in every history book of the world, and Greece’s were not an exception. Although it goes mostly unnoticed, the fact is that many Greek captains of the Revolution were sent to jail during and after the war against the Ottomans. Others were pushed aside by the newly formed state as too dangerous for the common good or too unpredictable for the reigning forces.

Here follow some of the most exemplary and tragic stories of the Greek captains of 1821, who ended up underprivileged, captured, begging on the streets and even dead.

Nikitas Stamatelopoulos or Nikitaras or the Turk-eater died in September 25, 1849, totally forgotten and poor.The brave and honorable man who stood out in the battle of Dervenakia and was told to have broken three swords with his fury in the battlefield, was groundlessly accused of conspiracy against King Otto and was sent to prison first in Palamidi (along with his uncle and Revolution captain Theodoros Kolokotronis) and then on the island of Aegina.

When the then Greek Prime Minister Ioannis Kolettis asked him to kill a rival and former captain of the Greek Independence war, Odysseas Androutsos, in exchange for a government position, Nikitaras refused the offer and became angry with Kolettis. He also refused to take booty after the victorious battle of Tripolis, a normal practice of Balkan irregulars at the time.

Nikitaras was released from prison in 1841, but the period in jail broke his health and he was almost blind due to diabetes problems. The Greek state refused to grant him and his family any descent pension to make a living, but instead allowed him to beg before a Virgin Mary church every Friday. In 1843, when King Otto was forced to sign the Constitution, Nikitaras was given the title of major general and an insignificant pension. He died in 1849 in Piraeus.

A major hero of the Greek War of Independence, Odysseas Androutsos earned the title of Commander in Chief of the Greek forces in Roumeli, but his glory did not last long. His intense personality and constant conflicts with the “kalamarades” as he called the politicians and the clergy resulted in making him suspicious of the politics followed at the time. In spring 1822 Ioannis Kolettis accused him of betrayal and cooperation with the Ottomans, so that Androutsos gave up his title as Commander in Chief but never gave up his fighting against them. Seieng through the scheming of politics, Androutsos retired in a cave, the Black Hole, totally disappointed with the newly emerged state of the Greeks after the independence war.

There, in his cave north of Parnassus Mountain, Androutsos’ isolation made Kolettis and his enemies even more suspicious of his intentions and soon he was accused of making agreements with the enemy against the interests of the Greeks. Androutsos, however, is said to have called for the cooperation of the Ottomans in order to take them by surprise and fight them from the inside. The arrest of Kolokotronis made Andoutsos even more hostile towards politicians. Then the government in 1825 assigned to Yiannis Gouras, a close lieutenant of Androutsos, with the mission to take care of Androutsos. Androutsos finally surrendered to the government forces and was led to an Athens prison. Karaiskakis, another major figure of the Greek Independence war, was outraged by his imprisonment and even attempted to rescue his fellow fighter. The attempt failed and to cool things down Gouras asked for the government’s help.

The trial date for Androutsos was pending now, but on June 5 at midnight Gouras gave the order and five men including an unknown priest entered Androutsos’ cage and killed him after hours of torture. The lifeless body of Androutsos was then pushed off the prison tower of Goula down to the Temple of Athena Nike of the Acropolis. Androutsos’ death was declared as a failed escape attempt.

Laskarina Bouboulina was a Greek naval commander and heroine of the Greek Revolution. Being married twice to prosperous husbands, Bouboulina bought arms and ammunition at her own expense and brought them secretly to the island of Spetses on her ships, to fight for the sake of her nation. Construction of her ship Agamemnon was finished in 1820. She bribed Turkish officials to ignore the ship’s size and it was later one of the largest warships in the hands of Greek rebels. She also organized her own armed troops, composed of men from Spetses. She used most of her fortune to provide food and ammunition for the sailors and soldiers under her command.

The people of Spetses revolted on 3 April, and later joined forces with ships from other Greek islands. Bouboulina sailed with eight ships to Nafplion and began a naval blockade. Later she took part in the naval blockade and capture of Monemvasia and Pylos.

When the opposing factions erupted into the second civil war in 1824, the Greek government arrested Bouboulina for her family connection with now-imprisoned Kolokotronis; the government also killed her son-in-law Panos Kolokotronis. With the order to be arrested, she was exiled back to Spetses poor and disappointed by the new Greek reality. In 1825, while Ibrahim Pasha of Egypt disembarked in Pylos in a final attempt to smother the revolution, Bouboulina began preparing for new battles despite her animosity towards the politicians. However, on May 22 of the same year, Bouboulina would die a tragic death. Her younger son from her first marriage fell in love with the daughter of the powerful Koutsaios family of Spetses and the couple fled to the house of Bouboulina’s first husband. Bouboulina and the Koutsaios soon arrives at the house and after a long and furious dispute, Ioannis Koutsis shot her in the head fatally. The case was closed and no-one ever put the perpetratorson on trial.

Manto Mavrogenous was a Greek heroine of the Greek War of Independence. A rich woman, who spent all her fortune on the Hellenic cause. Under her encouragement, her European friends contributed money and guns to the revolution. When the struggle began, she went to Mykonos, the island of her origin, and invited the leaders there to join the revolution.

She equipped, manned and “privatized” at her own expense, two ships with which she pursued the pirates who attacked Mykonos and other islands of the Cyclades. She also equipped 150 men to campaign in the Peloponnese and sent forces and financial support to Samos, when the island was threatened by the Turks. Later, Mavrogenous sent another corps of fifty men to Peloponnese, who took part in the Siege of Tripolitsa and the fall of the town to the Greek rebels. She spent money on the relief of the soldiers and their families, the preparation of a campaign to Northern Greece and the support of several philhellenes. She also sent a group of fifty men to reinforce Nikitaras in the Battle of Dervenakia.

She moved to Nafplio in 1823, in order to be in the core of the struggle, leaving her family as she was despised even by her mother because of her choices. After her unfortunate love story with Dimitrios Ypsilantis, Mavrogenous lived depressed for a while in Nafplion. After Ypsilanti’s death and her political conflicts with Ioannis Kolettis, she was exiled from Nafplio and returned to Mykonos to live in extreme poverty. When the war ended, Greek Prime Minister Ioannis Kapodistrias awarded her the rank of the Lieutenant General and granted her a dwelling in Nafplio, where she moved. She left for the island of Paros in 1840, where she died in July 1848, in oblivion and poverty.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thMH-JQ6gU8
Γρηγόρης Μπιθικώτσης ...στ' αρχίδια μου - Grigoris Bithikotsis
συνέντευξη
Γρηγόρης Μπιθικώτσης
ΘΑΝΑΣΗΣ ΛΑΛΑΣ

- Αφού είναι ωραία η ζωή, γιατί να τελειώνει;
«Είναι νόμος, τελειώνει. Εγώ διαβάζω πολύ, πιστεύω ότι λίγοι άνθρωποι διαβάζουν όσο διαβάζω εγώ. Τώρα διαβάζω το ένθετο που έχουν τα "Νέα" για την ιστορία του αιώνα. Και λέει τι τράβηξε το κάθε κράτος, πόσες φορές έγιναν πόλεμοι, πόσοι πέρασαν απ' την Ελλάδα... Εγώ θα σου πω κάτι που δεν το ξέρεις ούτε εσύ ούτε κανείς. Πώς πέθανε ο Καραϊσκάκης; Και γιατί λέμε - θα το γράψεις έτσι όπως θα σ' το πω - γιατί λέμε "στ' αρχίδια μου"; Ο Καραϊσκάκης ήταν στρατηγός στον Περαία και ο Κουντουριώτης ήταν ναύαρχος. Τους άλλαξε λοιπόν ο Καποδίστριας μ' ένα στρατηγό που δε θυμάμαι τώρα τ' όνομά του και στη θέση του Κουντουριώτη έβαλε έναν άλλο ναύαρχο. Ο της ξηράς στρατηγός τού είπε του Καραϊσκάκη ότι μες στον Αγιο Σπυρίδωνα στον Περαία είναι τρακόσιοι Aρβανίτες μουσουλμάνοι και θα πας εκεί έτσι κι αλλιώς κι αλλιώτικα. Ο Καραϊσκάκης τότε του είπε ότι "αυτό που μου λες το γράφω στ' αρχίδια μου". Ο άλλος τσαντίστηκε επειδή τσαντίστηκε ο Καραϊσκάκης. Σου λέει, στρατηγός είμαι κι εγώ, θα μου πεις πώς να πάω στον Αγιο Σπυρίδωνα στους Αρβανίτες που έχουν κλειστεί εκεί μέσα; Αφού Αρβανίτης ήταν κι ο Καραϊσκάκης. Οπότε ο στρατηγός ο άλλος έβαλε έναν Τούρκο και του 'ριξε μια σφαίρα στο αφτί και πέθανε ο Καραϊσκάκης. Το ξέρεις αυτό;».

interview
Gregory Bithikotsis
Thanasis LALAS

- Once is good life, why should it end?
"It's law, he ends. I read a lot, I believe that few people read as I read. Now read the insert have the "New" about the history of the century. And he says what drew each state, how many times were wars, how many passed from Greece ... I'll tell you something you did not know, neither you nor anyone. How Karaiskakis died? And why say - will write it as it would to say - because we say "at my balls"? Karaiskakis was general in Pireus and Kountouriotis was admiral. Then Kapodistrias changed him with a general who now do not remember his name and at the position of Kountourioti put another admiral. The land general told him that amid the Karaiskaki in Agios Spyridon in Pireus were 300 Albanian Muslims and will go there anyway and otherwise. Karaiskakis then told him that "what you say I write at 'my balls." The other pissed pissed because Karaiskakis. he says, I am strategist and I will tell me how to go to Saint Spyridon the Albanians who have booked in there? Because Arvanitis was also Karaiskakis. So the general the other put a Turk and 'throw a bullet in the ear and Kara died. You know this?".

LOOOOOOOOOOOL
Where the fuck you found all this bullshit??
Karaiskakis arvanitis ?? LOOOOOOOOL

Man you are really funny, KARAISKAKIS WAS SARAKATSANOS
Bithikotsis is an uneducated singer, he can tell any bullshit he want

Androutsos was Eptanisian from Ithaca island , noone of them was Arvanitan,
They both served in the army of Ali Pasha (turkalbanian pasha) before the revolution

You are full of bullshit and lies
Read about Karaiskakis moron :

Ο Γεώργιος Καραϊσκάκης, σαρακατσάνος στην καταγωγή, υπήρξε ένας εκ των μεγαλυτέρων ηρώων της ελληνικής επαναστάσεως. Η ιστορία όμως δυστυχώς έχει παραποιήσει τη μορφή του. Ο Καραϊσκάκης έμεινε στην ιστορία ως ο γιος της καλόγριας (όρος ιδιαίτερα υποτιμητικός απ’ τη στιγμή που είναι αναληθής) ή ως το νόθο παιδί μιας οικογένειας. Άλλοι πάλι τον θεωρούν Γύφτο. Η ιστορική όμως αλήθεια για το πρόσωπο του μεγάλου στρατηγού κρύβεται στις πηγές της εποχής του. (ήρωες ή διανοούμενοι της εποχής που άφησαν απομνημονεύματα ή αφήγηση της ελληνικής επαναστάσεως).
Ο Γεώργιος Καραϊσκάκης, ήταν γόνος σαρακατσάνικων αρματολικών οικογενειών της περιοχής του Βάλτου. Η μητέρα του ήταν από τους Ντιμισκήδες. Ο δε πατέρας του ήταν ο Δημήτρης Καραϊσκος ή κατ’ άλλους ο Γιάννης Σύκας (Αραπογιάννης). Στο θέμα αυτό αναφέρεται ο κ. Βασίλειος Τσαούσης, Πρόεδρος του Λαογραφικού Μουσείου Σαρακατσάνων και μελετητής της σαρακατσάνικης παράδοσης, ο οποίος γράφει χαρακτηριστικά στο βιβλίο ΣΑΡΑΚΑΤΣΑΝΟΙ οι Σταυραετοί της Πίνδου, σελ. 73:

https://sarakatsanikineolaia.wordpress.com/2011/05/24/%CE%B1%CF%86%CE%B9%CE%AD%CF%81%CF%89%CE%BC%CE%B1-%CF%83%CF%84%CE%BF%CE%BD-%CE%BC%CE%B5%CE%B3%CE%AC%CE%BB%CE%BF-%CF%83%CE%B1%CF%81%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B1%CF%84%CF%83%C E%AC%CE%BD%CE%BF-%CE%BF%CF%80%CE%BB-2/

P.S. You know that Karaiskakis had the nickname "Gyftos" = Gypsy because he had brown skin.
Now you come here to call him arvanit. You fucking clown

[CommonSense]

Generally any influence from Southeastern Europe in Italy is very weak, unless we include the Ancient Greeks.

[Tauromachos]

A delusional user here thinks there is more Albanian and Slavic admixture in Italians than in Greeks. I do not believe this to be true.

Which user exactly?

Because as for myself i never claimed such a thing

I simply often disagreed with you about other things and said that Slavic influence in Mainland Greeks is exagerated not that its lower than in Italians

[Sikeliot]

Which user exactly?

Because as for myself i never claimed such a thing

I simply often disagreed with you about other things and said that Slavic influence in Mainland Greeks is exagerated not that its lower than in Italians



I don't think it was you, no.

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Which user exactly?

Because as for myself i never claimed such a thing

I simply often disagreed with you about other things and said that Slavic influence in Mainland Greeks is exagerated not that its lower than in Italians



I don't think it was you, no.