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Leto
02-21-2018, 06:38 PM
Just use your head. How can a person from this region have such a high amount of asiatic DNA? You think any of us can have 1/6 or 1/7 ancestry from Asia, looool. It's not possible. Here, another example, but this time of a Northern European (Icelander):
I admit you do have a point. But again, we need real DNA results to speak factually. For example in Russia we have a lot of people like that, but they might be much more than 3-5%, nothing surprising. However, to the west of Russia and Ukraine being over 5% East Asian/Siberian is indeed pretty unusual. Though some Scandinavians have Sami and Finnish ancestry.

CertifiedCracker
02-22-2018, 04:46 AM
I admit you do have a point. But again, we need real DNA results to speak factually. For example in Russia we have a lot of people like that, but they might be much more than 3-5%, nothing surprising. However, to the west of Russia and Ukraine being over 5% East Asian/Siberian is indeed pretty unusual. Though some Scandinavians have Sami and Finnish ancestry.

Anything is possible, I suppose. Humans migrate and intermix. I bet no one 1000 years ago thought they’d ever see a Russian in northern China or a black samurai, yet there they are.

Mingle
02-22-2018, 05:08 AM
Here. These are two 100% Serbian people. We never mixed with asiatics in recent history and no Serb has ever scored even 5% mongoloid on a DNA test, no matter how they look.

https://glossy.espreso.rs/images_arhive/original/milanstan.jpg

http://www.tennisworldusa.org/imgb/42162/jelena-jankovic-i-want-to-break-top-10-again-.jpg

If you want you can ask Romanians to show you similar examples from their nation. They have more of these types than we do.Who is that woman? She looks straight up Chinese. There's no way she's less than 5% EE.

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CommonSense
02-22-2018, 03:57 PM
Who is that woman? She looks straight up Chinese. There's no way she's less than 5% EE.

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That's Jelena Janković, she used to be one of the top tennis players in the world. I'm surprised you don't recognise her, she's quite (in)famous on antropology forums along with another atypical Serb (D I V A C ;) ). Albanians and other serbophobes like to post her and other exotic individuals as examples of 'typical Serbs'.

Anyway, here's another picture of her. This one is with her parents:

http://www.gloria.rs/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/jelena-jankovic-640x500.jpg

MINARDOWICZ
02-22-2018, 04:07 PM
5% West Asian? Those are rookie numbers!

Mingle
02-22-2018, 04:23 PM
That's Jelena Janković, she used to be one of the top tennis players in the world. I'm surprised you don't recognise her, she's quite (in)famous on antropology forums along with another atypical Serb (D I V A C ;) ). Albanians and other serbophobes like to post her and other exotic individuals as examples of 'typical Serbs'.

Anyway, here's another picture of her. This one is with her parents:

http://www.gloria.rs/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/jelena-jankovic-640x500.jpg

Interesting. Her parents don't look mong at all. But genes work in weird ways and she could have inherited some extra East Eurasian from a semi-distant ancestor like a grandparent. People don't have the exact same autosomal DNA as their parents. I'd be curious if an East Asian-looking Arab or Balkaner took a DNA test and see what comes up.

Leto
02-22-2018, 04:51 PM
Maybe that's pseudo mong.
https://www.imgacademy.com/sites/default/files/styles/scale_crop_600w_x_600h/public/Jelena-Jankovic_0.jpg?itok=UJOHJVwV
http://www.kurir.rs/data/images/2017/10/31/18/1315957_jelena-dragan-kadic01_ls-s.jpg

She really needs to take a DNA test and upload the raw data to GEDmatch :)

Mingle
02-22-2018, 05:00 PM
Maybe that's pseudo mong.
https://www.imgacademy.com/sites/default/files/styles/scale_crop_600w_x_600h/public/Jelena-Jankovic_0.jpg?itok=UJOHJVwV
http://www.kurir.rs/data/images/2017/10/31/18/1315957_jelena-dragan-kadic01_ls-s.jpg

She really needs to take a DNA test and upload the raw data to GEDmatch :)Maybe. She has a long face, doesn't have a flat mong-nose (though there are atypical mongs with that nose), and she doesn't have epicanthal folds (though her eyes do give mong vibes). She looks more Uzbek than East Asian to me but she looks like she could easily pass in China as well in that one pic that CommonSense posted.

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Nordic Thunder
02-22-2018, 05:46 PM
Id take 5% west asian all day for the neanderthal blood alone

CommonSense
02-22-2018, 08:34 PM
Maybe. She has a long face, doesn't have a flat mong-nose (though there are atypical mongs with that nose), and she doesn't have epicanthal folds (though her eyes do give mong vibes). She looks more Uzbek than East Asian to me but she looks like she could easily pass in China as well in that one pic that CommonSense posted.

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It's quite a mystery how she ended up looking like this.

Her brother, Marko:

http://www.balkanlife.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Jelena-Jankovic-500x250.jpg

Her sister, Dijana:

http://www.svet.rs/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Dijana-Jankovic-ZR-10-630x380.jpg

Nobody in her family has those asiatic features. That's why I am certain her mongoloid DNA must be quite low. How a person with such an ancestry can still look half-asian, is, however, a question I can't answer. I was hoping someone here might know :D

Demon Revival
02-22-2018, 08:41 PM
She doesn't look mongoloid at all lol. Man, these anthro aficionados.

These are ultra western and supercaucasoid metrics:
http://www.kurir.rs/data/images/2017/10/31/18/1315957_jelena-dragan-kadic01_ls-s.jpg

Mingle
02-22-2018, 09:07 PM
It's quite a mystery how she ended up looking like this.

Her brother, Marko:

http://www.balkanlife.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Jelena-Jankovic-500x250.jpg

Her sister, Dijana:

http://www.svet.rs/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Dijana-Jankovic-ZR-10-630x380.jpg

Nobody in her family has those asiatic features. That's why I am certain her mongoloid DNA must be quite low. How a person with such an ancestry can still look half-asian, is, however, a question I can't answer. I was hoping someone here might know :DHer brother gives an oriental vibe, but doesn't look mong like her. Her sister looks completely Caucasoid.

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Wrong
02-28-2018, 12:33 PM
Interesting observations itt.

Urbanuss
03-28-2022, 05:49 PM
5% West Asian

At least WA is a humanoid component, not monkenoid.

And not all Iberians score SSA in GedMatch (including non-Basques).

Don't offend the Iberians, at least not the Aragonese, Catalans, Cantabrians, Basques and Navarrese...

If Iberia is "Iberberia" we would call Italy as "Itaraby".

Annie999
03-28-2022, 06:04 PM
I'm actually about 5% West Asian (Lebanese) and I might be biased, but I'm happy to be what I am, while I have no particular desire to be 1% SSA.

Cristiano viejo
03-28-2022, 06:37 PM
5% West Asian

At least WA is a humanoid component, not monkenoid.

And not all Iberians score SSA in GedMatch (including non-Basques).

Don't offend the Iberians, at least not the Aragonese, Catalans, Cantabrians, Basques and Navarrese...

If Iberia is "Iberberia" we would call Italy as "Itaraby".
The true Iberians are the Castilians.

Urbanuss
03-28-2022, 06:47 PM
The true Iberians are the Castilians.

Also

strike978
03-29-2022, 07:19 AM
Hey I'm half Spaniard genetically I know I probably come from the Basque because of the haplogroup and rh negative blood type I have and that basque also have but I'm also quarter SSA genetically probably mostly through my dad's mom so I need to ask...How do you pure Spaniards on here feel about your Spaniard brothers that came over to the Americas and ended up mixing with indigenous and Africa women?

You have hundreds of millions people in the Americas that are a result of Spaniards deciding to have sex with women that were not Spaniards. We will never be Spaniards but we will always have that connection because a lot of us are basically half Spaniard genetically... I'm curious about how Spaniards on here actually feel about the children you left over here in the Americas!

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Cristiano viejo
03-29-2022, 04:26 PM
How do you pure Spaniards on here feel about your Spaniard brothers that came over to the Americas and ended up mixing with indigenous and Africa women?



Wasted semen.

Roy
03-30-2022, 04:16 PM
This would be so tragic to find out that I am 1% SSA, my life would be changed for forever with this burden. :coffee:

Gallop
03-30-2022, 06:38 PM
5% West Asian

At least WA is a humanoid component, not monkenoid.

And not all Iberians score SSA in GedMatch (including non-Basques).

Don't offend the Iberians, at least not the Aragonese, Catalans, Cantabrians, Basques and Navarrese...

.

So according to you, which Spaniards do they have to offend?

Petalpusher
03-30-2022, 07:02 PM
This is actually ascertainable based on K13 fst
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9o3EYTdM8lQV2RJS1RwOW9XLUE/view?resourcekey=0-ceLbWE9WG7gvHkoFGDLDtg

Those are the fst distances to SSA, of each components most Euros score:

SSA
East_Med @ 135
West_Asian @ 140
Red_Sea @ 141
North Atlantic @ 146
West_Med @ 150
Baltic @ 150


The difference in distances (relationship really) are of course not very large in % but West Asian is 7,143% closer to SSA than the most removed other Euro components (Baltic and West_Med both @150).

Considering those two are the baseline to be 0% SSA in modern terms, then each time you add 14% of West Asian, is the equivalent of scoring +1% SSA. 100% West Asian would be like scoring 93% Baltic and/or West Med + 7% SSA. It would show on a proper pca for example. East_Med would give even more since it's @ 135, which is expected as we know CHG and Iran_N are the most basal. A modern version of these two are best representend in "West Asian" and "Est_Med" (also Red_Sea).

In conclusion the real question would rather have to be "14% West Asian or 1% SSA".

Jased
03-30-2022, 07:23 PM
Admixtures do not scare me so I would take them both.

It's not like this 6% would make me a different person.

This thread Is ridicolous 1% SSA doesnt show at all LOL, we are 3-6% SSA on average and nobody outside of these forum will know we are mixed with blacks as well lmao.

Urbanuss
03-30-2022, 07:36 PM
So according to you, which Spaniards do they have to offend?

Actually, none.

Urbanuss
03-30-2022, 07:38 PM
This thread basically asks if TA members prefer 1% Niggoid or 5% Kebaboid/Sandniggoid

Joachim
12-08-2022, 03:46 PM
Still you look 1000 times more Moorish than I do (well I dont at all).


That says me nothing. Some Spaniards are lighter than let me say British, and still British are the palest people in the world.
No comment about having North European ancestry.... as if that means something :lol:

Iberians are the most insecure people with deepest inferiority complex.
They always have been moorish Descendants and scream too much at their father's.


I sometimes wish ghalib had killed al manzor,without al manzor and the civil war fitna he ultimately created which led to the creation of taifas , without almanzor iberians would still be under Muslim rule and would be worshipping Allah today
Better than worshipping a MENA rabbi with an armenoid/semitid phenotype.


Just look at the battles before the fitna happened,it's all full of moors winning over the iberians in sieges, pitched battles and raids,there like 1 loss for 30 wins.
Al manzor's son had started to conquer Castile and was on his way to take over pampalonana,navarre and bareclona after Burning it for the third time.
But God wanted Christians to finally breathe of relief,and al manzor's son died from angina before the siege and after his death the civil war happened and the taifas got created.


Iberians shouldn't praise rabbi jeshua but they should rather praise al manzor for setting them free from the Caliphate of Cordoba.


After all iberians can only conquer irrelevant isolated tribes of South America and sub saharan africa with no outside contact for 1000 years and their weapons being bow and arrow while iberians had guns which they ddint even invent:picard1:,it was invented by Chinese and improved by Turks and Arabs.

When iberians face real soldiers and warriors like that of britain or in south American rebellions they always lose and run like cowards.


There's a reason 80% Iberian men are r1b bell beaker despite having only 10% Steppe from them,their other yamnaya Ancestry comes from the Celtic warriors who conquered their nation and made them whiter.
Without them,iberians would look like yemenis today.
There's a reason north iberians are white while South iberians look like yemenis despite having less north african tha north iberians.
It's because south iberians lack Ancestry from white Celtic r1b conquerors while north iberians got replaced by Celts.

Indigenous iberian ydna lineages were wiped out overnight by bell beaker men with 50% west asian dna who got so many Iberian women that theres only 10-20% bell beaker direct Ancestry in Iberia while 80% ydna in Iberia is bell beaker derived.
You can imagine what happened.
That's why iberians are so angry and hurt all the time.

Also sincerely,how can you be a white nationalist and bow your head to a Mena armenoid rabbi from the deserts of Palestine?
Those who do this are the biggest self haters

Cristiano viejo
12-08-2022, 03:59 PM
Iberians are the most insecure people with deepest inferiority complex.
They always have been moorish Descendants and scream too much at their father's.


ok brownie.

Joachim
12-08-2022, 03:59 PM
The only reality is that Caucasians have African standards of life, same (no)developed countries, they are as poor as Africans etc
FACT.
Fuck, not even Russians achieved to grew such things there...

Iberians were living like that too under the rule of their white celtic conquerors,until they were conquered again and civilized by Greeks, Romans and carthagians this time

Keep in mind that the men who made you country 80% r1b , those men were half west asian genetically.

You moors have no right to act as a nordicist and as if you are some epitome of whiteness most of you look like yemenis except those with white celtic and visigothic ancestry.

Yes you are whiter than indios but so are yemenis and Saudi Arabs..

Cristiano viejo
12-08-2022, 04:00 PM
Iberians were living like that too under the rule of their white celtic conquerors,until they were conquered again and civilized by Greeks, Romans and carthagians this time

ok brownie.

Jingle Bell
12-08-2022, 04:09 PM
I have both so

Marshall Theodore
12-08-2022, 04:22 PM
Neither, i prefer mong blood, it shifts you further North.

Cristiano viejo
12-08-2022, 04:26 PM
Neither, i prefer mong blood, it shifts you further North.

and what is that for?

Marshall Theodore
12-08-2022, 04:28 PM
and what is that for?

Nothing, its just a joke about mongolian facade in europe

Eurafricanid
12-08-2022, 04:34 PM
Why choosing between them? Choose 8% North African, the best of both worlds :thumb001:

Joachim
12-08-2022, 04:37 PM
ok brownie.

Whiter than you 116666

Jorge Cristiano mexicano diąz

116667

Joachim
12-08-2022, 04:41 PM
I have both so

Nothing wrong with it, see are all sun saharans with genetic drift and phenotype drift after all.

As for west asian,it makes you whiter,you can look at mountain Kurds and Georgians,they have it and they are 2-3 times whiter than Greeks.
Those Kurds and west asians who look saudi/Mena have anatolian farmer blood and natufian admixture and phenotype which makes you look like a Yemeni.

West asian is just pure iranN/chg.
IranN/chg itself is 30% whg+50% ancient north Eurasian

Cristiano viejo
12-08-2022, 04:46 PM
Whiter than you

You wish brownie.

Jingle Bell
12-08-2022, 05:20 PM
Nothing wrong with it, see are all sun saharans with genetic drift and phenotype drift after all.

As for west asian,it makes you whiter,you can look at mountain Kurds and Georgians,they have it and they are 2-3 times whiter than Greeks.
Those Kurds and west asians who look saudi/Mena have anatolian farmer blood and natufian admixture and phenotype which makes you look like a Yemeni.

West asian is just pure iranN/chg.
IranN/chg itself is 30% whg+50% ancient north Eurasian

Yeah i know, i dont have any problem with my ssa and w. Asian ancestry
Ty

Marshall Theodore
12-08-2022, 05:26 PM
Nothing wrong with it, see are all sun saharans with genetic drift and phenotype drift after all.

As for west asian,it makes you whiter,you can look at mountain Kurds and Georgians,they have it and they are 2-3 times whiter than Greeks.
Those Kurds and west asians who look saudi/Mena have anatolian farmer blood and natufian admixture and phenotype which makes you look like a Yemeni.

West asian is just pure iranN/chg.
IranN/chg itself is 30% whg+50% ancient north Eurasian

Are you implying that West Asian is a euro/white component?

WA (CHG/Iran_N) isnt white at all and im talking about genetics, not phenotype. Kurds and Georgians cluster easier with other West Asians than any european ppl

Petalpusher
12-08-2022, 05:54 PM
Nothing wrong with it, see are all sun saharans with genetic drift and phenotype drift after all.

As for west asian,it makes you whiter,you can look at mountain Kurds and Georgians,they have it and they are 2-3 times whiter than Greeks.
Those Kurds and west asians who look saudi/Mena have anatolian farmer blood and natufian admixture and phenotype which makes you look like a Yemeni.

West asian is just pure iranN/chg.
IranN/chg itself is 30% whg+50% ancient north Eurasian

That's stretch, or simply wrong. CHG/Iran_N are the most basal components and you can see it clearly here in these fst distances to SSA in K13:

SSA
East_Med @ 135
West_Asian @ 140
Red_Sea @ 141
North Atlantic @ 146
West_Med @ 150
Baltic @ 150

East_med is of course the closest to SSA (relatively) but West Asian comes 2nd, even a bit before Red_Sea. As surprising as it may be, the most removed combination would be to score Baltic and West_Med. Someone 50% of each would actually plot in Germany.

Marshall Theodore
12-08-2022, 06:49 PM
That's stretch, or simply wrong. CHG/Iran_N are the most basal components and you can see it clearly here in these fst distances to SSA in K13:

SSA
East_Med @ 135
West_Asian @ 140
Red_Sea @ 141
North Atlantic @ 146
West_Med @ 150
Baltic @ 150

East_med is of course the closest to SSA (relatively) but West Asian comes 2nd, even a bit before Red_Sea. As surprising as it may be, the most removed combination would be to score Baltic and West_Med. Someone 50% of each would actually plot in Germany.

Im surprised about Red Sea being "less closer" to SSA than West Asian.

Petalpusher
12-09-2022, 09:07 AM
Im surprised about Red Sea being "less closer" to SSA than West Asian.

It's really close, about 0.6% in percentage but probably because Red_Sea has a tiny bit of a West_Med like element that is highly WHG.

Also consistent in other calculators, k12b here

SSA
East African @ 51
Northwest African @ 129
Southwest Asian @ 169
Caucasus @ 171
South Asia @ 172
Gedrosia @ 173
North European @ 183
Atlantic_Med @ 185

"Southwest_Asian" would be something close to "East Med", and "Caucasus" to regular "West Asia". Again "Atlantic_Med is more removed from SSA than even the "North European" component. Tiny difference, around 1% that would be reversed though with East African because it has a significant Caucasian element. Still most people would not guess that.

Sacrificed Ram
12-09-2022, 10:08 AM
I'm 16% SSA, but only 3% West Asia, (plus 3% Central Asia, 3% Mongolia and 3% Balkans).