PCA Map Of Tested Albanian TA Members. (Eurogenes v2 K15)

[The Illyrian Warrior]

http://i68.tinypic.com/s3kaqw.jpg

[Kriptc06]

very nice

[Pahli]

Fustan is part Slav kek?

[Cristiano viejo]

Talking about OWD...

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Fustan is part Slav kek?

His my second closest cousin. :D

His Baltic isn't really that high neither his east euro, but he scores really high Atlantic and pretty low West Asian, I think this two components are what makes up huge difference.

[Pahli]

His my second closest cousin. :D

His Baltic isn't really that high neither his east euro, but he scores really high Atlantic and pretty low West Asian, I think this two components are what makes up huge difference.

Could be that his ancestors were from the more Northern parts of pre-Slavic Balkan :laugh:

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Talking about OWD...

What do you exactly OWD you are seeing here? Did I claimed we were northern or have I posted a cherry picked picture here to make me OWD mr. proven OWD moor?

Please keep your anger elsewhere and do not derail this thread any further.

[Petalpusher]

It's a tight cluster, with few outliers. Does it make any sense by you regions of origin?

[Pahli]

What do you exactly OWD you are seeing here? Did I claimed we were northern or have I posted a cherry picked picture here to make me OWD mr. proven OWD moor?

Please keep your anger elsewhere and do not derail this thread any further.

Ignore that moorish gypsy

[The Illyrian Warrior]

It's a tight cluster, with few outliers. Does it make any sense by you regions of origin?

Overall makes sense, Era for instance plotting nearby Abruzzo makes sense from geographical point of view, also Fustan region is abit more northern influenced then average of Kosovar Albanians from what I've noticed.

[Kelmendasi]

Kl map

[Wrong]

Fustan is part Slav kek?Seems like he gets pulled Northwest though. Goths or Normans probably :D

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Could be that his ancestors were from the more Northern parts of pre-Slavic Balkan :laugh:

He scores highest amount of Hunter-Gatherer in ancient origin too.

[Kelmendasi]

Seems like he gets pulled Northwest though. Goths or Normans probably :D
Yeah, maternally he is Kabashi which are of Germanic(I1) origin paternally

[Wrong]

Ylla being full Gheg plotting south of me being 1/4 Tosk? :D
I'm right below Skerdi(Leki).

[Kelmendasi]

Ylla being full Gheg plotting south of me being 1/4 Tosk? :D
Yet again though the Tosks in Ohrid are probably thoroughly mixed with Ghegs

[Cristiano viejo]

What do you exactly OWD you are seeing here? Did I claimed we were northern or have I posted a cherry picked picture here to make me OWD mr. proven OWD moor?

Please keep your anger elsewhere and do not derail this thread any further.

Chipsy, please... trying to show Albanians among Europeans is a clear sign of OWD :noidea:

[Wrong]

Chipsy, please... trying to show Albanians among Europeans is a clear sign of OWD :noidea:
Genetics don't lie.

[Kelmendasi]

Chipsy, please... trying to show Albanians among Europeans is a clear sign of OWD :noidea:
It's not really since we plot north compared to some other Europeans

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Ylla being full Gheg plotting south of me being 1/4 Tosk? :D
I'm right below Skerdi(Leki).

Or me, we are at exact x,y axis. :D

Are you from Dibra e Maqedonise?

[Wrong]

Or me, we are at exact x,y axis. :D

Are you from Dibra e Maqedonise?
1/4 Dibra, 1/4 Oher, 2/4 Ferizaj

[Cristiano viejo]

It's not really since we plot north compared to some other Europeans
Plotting north means something? :rolleyes:


Genetics don't lie.

Oh, but were not you one of these that affirm Spanish are not Europeans? then look that map again.

[Wrong]

Plotting north means something? :rolleyes:



Oh, but were not you one of these that affirm Spanish are not Europeans? then look that map again.
Europeans who get 1-8% SSA admixture can still plot north of Europeans who don't.

A quadroon of 75% Lithuanian ancestry can plot north of South Europeans, does that make him European?

[Kelmendasi]

1/4 Dibra, 1/4 Oher, 2/4 Ferizaj
We are both Dibran although you are paternally whilst I am maternally ;) and you are from Dibra in Macedonia whilst my mother is from Dibra in Albania

[Kelmendasi]

Plotting north means something? :rolleyes:



Oh, but were not you one of these that affirm Spanish are not Europeans? then look that map again.
If we weren't European we would plot south with MENA peoples

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Chipsy, please... trying to show Albanians among Europeans is a clear sign of OWD :noidea:

Map was made from genetic values of each members, I wasn't attracted to idea to make us look whiter otherwise I'd place ourselves right up next to Scandinavians......obviously my thinking doesn't go on same path as yours, so stop projecting your inner desire because that doesn't make any sense.

[Wrong]

Or me, we are at exact x,y axis. :D

Are you from Dibra e Maqedonise?Yes you and Skerdi plot exactly the same, I noticed now, hence the darker shade of red :D

[Cristiano viejo]

If we weren't European we would plot south with MENA peoples
The same should be applied for Spaniards, for example, but you dont.

Another thing. Plotting north does not mean one is more European than other. If this is so, Serbians are more Europeans than Albanians. Are you agree with this?

[Kelmendasi]

The same should be applied for Spaniards, for example, but you dont.

Another thing. Plotting north does not mean one is more European than other. If this is so, Serbians are more Europeans than Albanians. Are you agree with this?
I didn't mean more European other all I meant that if we weren't European we would plot with MENAs

[Petalpusher]

All the cluster goes in the NW direction, also where Villabruna would be (above W.Norway/Norway/Sweden). Genetically that's the only "north" you can define, but it's more like the mesolithic euro admixture, with all the other sorts of meso more east from there, as you add some ANE to the WHG.

[Dema]

Why Dema plots so sexy?

[Sikeliot]

Era comes closer to Sicilian than any of the others, for some reason. She must be a bit more East Med than average for Albanian.

[Peterski]

I'm looking for Albanian kit numbers or MDLP K16 scores.

Because I am making a PCA which includes Balkan populations.

[Era]

Era comes closer to Sicilian than any of the others, for some reason. She must be a bit more East Med than average for Albanian.

Not really. Red sea is somewhat higher. And that's Abruzzo. not Sicily. Which is pretty much Rome, parallel to my birthplace

[Wrong]

This is one of the best autosomal plot threads ever, mods should clean the Iberber trash from here.

[Geni]

I'm looking for Albanian kit numbers or MDLP K16 scores.

Because I am making a PCA which includes Balkan populations.

1 Caucasian 38.68
2 Neolithic 28.73
3 NorthEastEuropean 14.36
4 Steppe 13.9
5 NearEast 3.38
6 EastAfrican 0.34
7 Siberian 0.3
8 Oceanic 0.27
9 Amerindian 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek 3.2
2 Albanian 3.59
3 Greek 4.36
4 Kosovar 5.06
5 Greek 5.3
6 Greek 6.11
7 Greek 6.23
8 Italian 6.75
9 Italian 7.01
10 Gagauz 7.54
11 Sicilian 7.87
12 Italian 7.88
13 Greek 8.23
14 Bulgarian 8.54
15 Bulgarian 8.88
16 Macedonian 8.95
17 Italian 9.01
18 Maltese 9.58
19 Jew 9.65
20 Romanian 9.9

[The Illyrian Warrior]

This is one of the best autosomal plot threads ever, mods should clean the Iberber trash from here.

I think I should work on drawing the average for each region, Kosova, North Albania, Central Albania, South Albania etc.

[Kelmendasi]

I think I should work on drawing the average for each region, Kosova, North Albania, Central Albania, South Albania etc.
Bro I don't think Central Albania(Tirana and Elbasan) should be seperate from North Albania as they are both Gheg in majority

[DRUM]

i am jew?

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Bro I don't think Central Albania(Tirana and Elbasan) should be seperate from North Albania as they are both Gheg in majority

I don't think so, from values I can say genetically they can be quite different one from another within our cluster.

[Kelmendasi]

I don't think so, from values I can say genetically they can be quite different one from another within our cluster.
True, but this depends on the region as some people could be from Tirana originally but a chunk of their ancestry could be from Shkoder

[The Illyrian Warrior]

True, but this depends on the region as some people could be from Tirana originally but a chunk of their ancestry could be from Shkoder

Tirana, Durres also Elbasan is a melting pot of people coming down from anywhere.

[Kelmendasi]

Tirana, Durres also Elbasan is a melting pot of people coming down from anywhere.
Yh I agree although most people of those regions have origins in Northern Albania(Durres is considered North) and a lot moved to places in the north and mixed with the people there

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Yh I agree although most people of those regions have origins in Northern Albania(Durres is considered North) and a lot moved to places in the north and mixed with the people there

Only the old ones, the newer migrants are from everywhere.

It's true however that geographically were traditionally part of north.

[Kelmendasi]

Only the old ones, the newer migrants are from everywhere.

It's true however that geographically were traditionally part of north.
Yes now you have nailed it lol :thumb001:. The new migrants in Durres, Tirana and Elbasan are from every corner of Albania now even Toskeria. Although as you have said the old families descend from Northern regions especially Shkoder, for example the Kazazi family from Kavaje in Tirana is originally from Shkoder but they moved to Kavaje in the 1700s. Also there is evidence of northern clans like Kelmendi and Hoti settling in regions like Durres even highlanders from Rugova did this

[Ylla]

This is one of the best autosomal plot threads ever, mods should clean the Iberber trash from here.

I like this one too because it correlates with the old 23andme pca which has now been removed. But its not concrete, our positions always change depending on which calc results we are using, like if we use MDLP or Eurasia our locations will shift. I dont know what to believe :ohwell:

[Petalpusher]

I like this one too because it correlates with the old 23andme pca which has now been removed. But its not concrete, our positions always change depending on which calc results we are using, like if we use MDLP or Eurasia our locations will shift. I dont know what to believe :ohwell:

I think all your positions here are very close to several pca i made. The newer calcs just tend to compress things more on the west-east axis.

[Pahli]

Odin of Ossetia you gypsy whore

[Kelmendasi]

PCA map with me on it
http://i64.tinypic.com/23sj801.jpg

[safinator]

I think I should work on drawing the average for each region, Kosova, North Albania, Central Albania, South Albania etc.

If you want i have several kit numbers of all these regions so you can easily make the PCA with at least 10 samples from each, also i would include in another cathegory Albanians from Montenegro and Albanians from Macedonia.

[Kelmendasi]

If you want i have several kit numbers of all these regions so you can easily make the PCA with at least 10 samples from each, also i would include in another cathegory Albanians from Montenegro and Albanians from Macedonia.
I could do it

[safinator]

I could do it

ALBANIAN SOUTH KITS :

M120552

FE12439

A866661

M054311

A981233

M013610

M850601

M832372

A464314

M424408


ALBANIAN NORTH KITS :

M022511

M759857

A903526

A906072

A859953

A484814

A417347

T511884

M875465

A606503


ALBANIAN KOSOVO KITS :

M145528

FE16492

M124104

M790720

FE14374

M075613

M917945

M893018

M024600

T783450


ALBANIAN MONTENEGRO KITS :

A681980

A830498

M258605

M192767

M946469

M620838

M404397

M647566

M441196

M940206


ALB FYROM : (ONLY 9 KITS)

M205340

M968981

M041043

M082733

M765531

M635564

M504390

M746694

A209606


ALB FROM CENTRAL ALBANIA : (ONLY 6 KITS)

M673036

M824650

M499066

T072693

M404337

M391870

[Kelmendasi]

ALBANIAN SOUTH KITS :

M120552

FE12439

A866661

M054311

A981233

M013610

M850601

M832372

A464314

M424408


ALBANIAN NORTH KITS :

M022511

M759857

A903526

A906072

A859953

A484814

A417347

T511884

M875465

A606503


ALBANIAN KOSOVO KITS :

M145528

FE16492

M124104

M790720

FE14374

M075613

M917945

M893018

M024600

T783450


ALBANIAN MONTENEGRO KITS :

A681980

A830498

M258605

M192767

M946469

M620838

M404397

M647566

M441196

M940206


ALB FYROM : (ONLY 9 KITS)

M205340

M968981

M041043

M082733

M765531

M635564

M504390

M746694

A209606


ALB FROM CENTRAL ALBANIA : (ONLY 6 KITS)

M673036

M824650

M499066

T072693

M404337

M391870
Damn this is gonna take agesssssssssssss xD

[Thracian]

PCA map with me on it
http://i64.tinypic.com/23sj801.jpg

How did you do that? Is there a specific program?

[safinator]

Damn this is gonna take agesssssssssssss xD

Yeah take it easy man :lol:

[Kelmendasi]

Yeah take it easy man :lol:
I just finished Central Albania xD. I may finish them like tomorrow as I have MMA in a bit and I stay there till around 10pm but I will try and do my best to get some done now

[Coolguy1]

T603555
T816600
T485614

Here are three Orthodox Albanians from the Korca region

[Kelmendasi]

T603555
T816600
T485614

Here are three Orthodox Albanians from the Korca region
Thanks for posting their kit numbers, will add them to the south Albanian clutser. So far I have finished central Albanian and Macedonian Albanian clusters

[Dibran]

ALB FYROM : (ONLY 9 KITS)

M205340

M968981

M041043

M082733

M765531

M635564

M504390

M746694

A209606



Make that 7 for FYROM. I have mentioned numerous times we are from Diber Vogel, not Diber Madhe. Diber Vogel is part of Northern Albania.

[Drawing-slim]

Make that 7 for FYROM. I have mentioned numerous times we are from Diber Vogel, not Diber Madhe. Diber Vogel is part of Northern Albania.

So diber e madhe it’s not ghegs?!

[Dibran]

So diber e madhe it’s not ghegs?!

When did I say that? My kit was placed with the Albanians from Macedonia. . Simply correcting whoever thought I was from Macedonia. You know. Considering Diber Vogel falls in the borders of Albania...not Macedonia...

[Drawing-slim]

When did I say that? My kit was placed with the Albanians from Macedonia. . Simply correcting whoever thought I was from Macedonia. You know. Considering Diber Vogel falls in the borders of Albania...not Macedonia...

No honestly I wasn’t sure that’s why I asked. I’ve noticed some albo-Macedonians they tend to have more of a tosk dialect and they seem to relate more with tosks so I wasn’t sure which area of albos from Macedonia are tosks, if there are any.

[Dibran]

No honestly I wasn’t sure that’s why I asked. I’ve noticed some albo-Macedonians they tend to have more of a tosk dialect and they seem to relate more with tosks so I wasn’t sure which area of albos from Macedonia are tosks, if there are any.

Ahh, I see. I am not sure. I know our family that moved there speak Ghegnisht. I hope who ever is compiling the data makes the correction.

[Kelmendasi]

Orange=Montenegrin Albanians
Yellow=Kosovar Albanians
Green=Northern Albanians
Dark red=Macedonian Albanians
Black=Central Albanians
Purple-Blue=Southern Albanians

https://s2.postimg.org/hhu0odzop/Albanian_pca.png

[safinator]

Orange=Montenegrin Albanians
Yellow=Kosovar Albanians
Green=Northern Albanians
Dark red=Macedonian Albanians
Black=Central Albanians
Purple-Blue=Southern Albanians

https://s2.postimg.org/hhu0odzop/Albanian_pca.png

A tad odd how southern Albanian samples cluster that south, not surprised about Monte Albos placement.

[Drawing-slim]

http://i68.tinypic.com/s3kaqw.jpg

Am I in here?! Forgot where I plot in comparison actually.

[Kelmendasi]

A tad odd how southern Albanian samples cluster that south, not surprised about Monte Albos placement.
What surprised me was how southern Albanians were more west shifted than the rest as the general trend seems to be that as you go more north in Albania the more NW the shift is so I was expecting south Albanians to shift to the east. Have you got kit numbers of Tosks from Greece, Macedonia or Italy?

[safinator]

What surprised me was how southern Albanians were more west shifted than the rest as the general trend seems to be that as you go more north in Albania the more NW the shift is so I was expecting south Albanians to shift to the east. Have you got kit numbers of Tosks from Greece, Macedonia or Italy?

I dont, all the ones i posted are Albanians from Albania.

[Dibran]

We’re my samples corrected? If not you have me in macedonia and I’m not from there!

[Kelmendasi]

We’re my samples corrected? If not you have me in macedonia and I’m not from there!
I’ll try and fix it later as I was told that your samples were in the Macedonian group after I finished doing that cluster

[Dibran]

I’ll try and fix it later as I was told that your samples were in the Macedonian group after I finished doing that cluster

Yea, Idk who got that idea, even says it in my Avatar.

[Kelmendasi]

Yea, Idk who got that idea, even says it in my Avatar.
Maybe Litvin did it

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Orange=Montenegrin Albanians
Yellow=Kosovar Albanians
Green=Northern Albanians
Dark red=Macedonian Albanians
Black=Central Albanians
Purple-Blue=Southern Albanians

https://s2.postimg.org/hhu0odzop/Albanian_pca.png

Great work, I find interesting how I fall exactly in middle of two groups 'KosovoALBOS' and 'Northern Albanians' :D


Am I in here?! Forgot where I plot in comparison actually.
No, I haven't got your kit when I made PCA map.

[Fustan]

i am jew?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XogEjXK0nHk

[Drawing-slim]

Great work, I find interesting how I fall exactly in middle of two groups 'KosovoALBOS' and 'Northern Albanians' :D


No, I haven't got your kit when I made PCA map.
My kit is the first one out of northern Albanians list.

[alb0zfinest]

I'm going to order one tomorrow. If I get part gypsy, don't expect me to post it up :D

[Skerdilaid]

I'm going to order one tomorrow. If I get part gypsy, don't expect me to post it up :D

Bro, why so insecure? ;)

You are Vuthaj, so if you are Vukel or Selce like majority of Vuthaj then you are for certain V13>Z16988. There is a slight chance that you might be Nikc, if so then you're J2b2>Y23094. Purchase this test and confirm it: https://www.yseq.net/product_info.php?cPath=23&products_id=34&osCsid=d57300f892767f91c0b1257a85953c2a

Once you do, I will tell Kelmendasi to place you on that plotting map with a sharpie xD

[Fustan]

I'm going to order one tomorrow. If I get part gypsy, don't expect me to post it up :D

Real malsors don't care about autosomal shits, only paternal.... Take Skerdis advice..

[The Illyrian Warrior]

I'm going to order one tomorrow. If I get part gypsy, don't expect me to post it up :D

In what company bro?

[KrashNick]

I'm probably somewhere above The Illyrian Warrior :D

[Kelmendasi]

Bro, why so insecure? ;)

You are Vuthaj, so if you are Vukel or Selce like majority of Vuthaj then you are for certain V13>Z16988. There is a slight chance that you might be Nikc, if so then you're J2b2>Y23094. Purchase this test and confirm it: https://www.yseq.net/product_info.php?cPath=23&products_id=34&osCsid=d57300f892767f91c0b1257a85953c2a

Once you do, I will tell Kelmendasi to place you on that plotting map with a sharpie xD
He could be R1b-BY611 as well since iirc I saw on the BosnianDNA project a guy from Vuthaj who was BY611, if so he is part of the Muriqi or that Leka brotherhood of Kelmend

[The Illyrian Warrior]

I'm probably somewhere above The Illyrian Warrior :D

You could be close to Bulgarians and claim Tatar ancestry too. :D

[Nilotik]

Great work.

[Skerdilaid]

He could be R1b-BY611 as well since iirc I saw on the BosnianDNA project a guy from Vuthaj who was BY611, if so he is part of the Muriqi or that Leka brotherhood of Kelmend

Yeah worst case scenario, and really closely related to me ;)

[Kelmendasi]

Yeah worst case scenario, and really closely related to me ;)
Btw, I saw many Kuqi clan members on that project who were BY611 idk if you had seen this

[Skerdilaid]

Btw, I saw many Kuqi clan members on that project who were BY611 idk if you had seen this
Last time I checked they were listed at Zatrijebac meaning Trieshi. Most of those families have a tradition of migrating out of Kuqi, however. I have looked into it. Perhaps they assume that they are Triesh because we have two L23 Trieshi thus far while majority of Kuqi are Z16661? Who knows.

[Kelmendasi]

Last time I checked they were listed at Zatrijebac meaning Trieshi. Most of those families have a tradition of migrating out of Kuqi, however. I have looked into it. Perhaps they assume that they are Triesh because we have two L23 Trieshi thus far while majority of Kuqi are Z16661? Who knows.
Oh yh, I think that they are Zatrijebac/Benkaj as they lived in Kuqi territory or around it. I also saw some J2a Kuqi which was weird as well as some other interesting results

[Drawing-slim]

http://i68.tinypic.com/s3kaqw.jpgso is that me under K then or someone else?

[alb0zfinest]

Bro, why so insecure? ;)

You are Vuthaj, so if you are Vukel or Selce like majority of Vuthaj then you are for certain V13>Z16988. There is a slight chance that you might be Nikc, if so then you're J2b2>Y23094. Purchase this test and confirm it: https://www.yseq.net/product_info.php?cPath=23&products_id=34&osCsid=d57300f892767f91c0b1257a85953c2a

Once you do, I will tell Kelmendasi to place you on that plotting map with a sharpie xD

Only joking, there is no reason for me to get gypsy as my origins. I’m not racist anyhow, so whatever I get I’m ok with.

The test you linked I buy that after I buy the 23and me test right?

[Skerdilaid]

Only joking, there is no reason for me to get gypsy as my origins. I’m not racist anyhow, so whatever I get I’m ok with.

The test you linked I buy that after I buy the 23and me test right?

I know bro, I was just pulling your leg. Neither am I.

No, you only need the test i linked, and once you purchase, from you profile go under Group Brower find Albanian Bloodlines 109 and click on Join. 23andme is waste of money, much lower resolution so basically a useless test.

[Dukagjini]

Yo any of you seen I2 haplogroup in Albanians from Montenegro.... curious and from what specific region.

[Fustan]

...


Hero:
Lekë Dukagjini, Gjon Buzuku, Gjergj Kastrioti


Politics:
Libertarian-Left

Man some of the albos on this forum are so damn stupid

[Ylla]

...

[Dukagjini]

Man some of the albos on this forum are so damn stupidWhats so stupid that i put more than one hero and I called myself a libertarian-leftist.? Its a forum bre. Do what you want. Libertarian-leftist means the libertarian side of modern left meaning free speech, society, etc retaining leftist economic and foreign affairs policy.

[Skerdilaid]

Yo any of you seen I2 haplogroup in Albanians from Montenegro.... curious and from what specific region.
Not yet, all tested Albos from there thus far are J2b2, V13 and R1b. Have you tested as such, and if so where did you test?

[Dukagjini]

Not yet, all tested Albos from there thus far are J2b2, V13 and R1b. Have you tested as such, and if so where did you test?No I have not tested and I'm Albo from Montenegro also.... just curious about I2 from us because it seems like there isn't any. I may do a test but I can't spend my money on DNA test rn. Btw do you have any Albos from my region in Montenegro (Shestani, Kraja) tested and what did they get?

[Kelmendasi]

No I have not tested and I'm Albo from Montenegro also.... just curious about I2 from us because it seems like there isn't any. I may do a test but I can't spend my money on DNA test rn. Btw do you have any Albos from my region in Montenegro (Shestani, Kraja) tested and what did they get?
Are you from Grude?

[Dukagjini]

Are you from Grude?Well its complicated many people from my region Shestani-Kraja came from Grude, Kelmendi, etc.. but there are so many families that carry the same last name but could be from different tribe. In my katun there are many families that carry same last name but my relatives tell me are not related. But in history books, etc it says that my family name came from Grude (Tuzi).... is it my family or someone else with the same last name in my katun... Thats the question. There are even families with my last name in other villages that are confirmed Kelmendi.

I do know that I have Kelmendi blood though.

[Kelmendasi]

Well its complicated many people from my region Shestani-Kraja came from Grude, Kelmendi, etc.. but there are so many families that carry the same last name but could be from different tribe. In my katun there are many families that carry same last name but my relatives tell me are not related. But in history books, etc it says that my family name came from Grude (Tuzi).... is it my family or someone else with the same last name in my katun... Thats the question. There are even families with my last name in other villages that are confirmed Kelmendi.

I do know that I have Kelmendi blood though.

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You could be Grudë by Bajrak but from another tribe such as Kelmendi by fis this is because Gruda is made up of different tribes that migrated to the region of Grudë. There is a person from Grudë(Tuzi) who has tested and is J2b2-Y23094 which is the haplogroup common among the Nikç brotherhood of Kelmend and is common among Shkreli suggesting an origin from either clans

[Dukagjini]

You could be Grudë by Bajrak but from another tribe such as Kelmendi by fis this is because Gruda is made up of different tribes that migrated to the region of Grudë. There is a person from Grudë(Tuzi) who has tested and is J2b2-Y23094 which is the haplogroup common among the Nikç brotherhood of Kelmend and is common among Shkreli suggesting an origin from either clansIt's possible but again its complicated people mixed and the tribal stuff has been lost for a while now. You also have to take into account the natives in Shestani-Kraja that were there before any migration from others. They say many from Shestani come from Shkreli. Just look at wiki link
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skadarska_Krajina

[Kelmendasi]

It's possible but again its complicated people mixed and the tribal stuff has been lost for a while now. You also have to take into account the natives in Shestani-Kraja that were there before any migration from others. They say many from Shestani come from Shkreli. Just look at wiki link
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skadarska_Krajina
What is your surname btw? You could be from an Anas family but a Ydna test is probably the best way to know which clan you come from. Yh, I see that many Shkrels came to Shestan

[Dukagjini]

What is your surname btw? You could be from an Anas family but a Ydna test is probably the best way to know which clan you come from. Yh, I see that many Shkrels came to ShestanI don't want to give my surname to random folk on a forum. Especially this one, which contains some weird mofos.

[Kelmendasi]

I don't want to give my surname to random folk on a forum. Especially this one, which contains some weird mofos.
Up to you man, the forum does contain weird people who would stalk or hack you but they have been banned afaik.

[Dukagjini]

Up to you man, the forum does contain weird people who would stalk or hack you but they have been banned afaik.

I don't know what my haplogroup could be, as the Shestani-Kraja region is mixed up with many highlander tribes who migrated probably because of gjakmarrja, or other reasons and possibly mixed with native Krajane people, who may have come from Shkrel. It's just a clusterfuck of Albanians from different places, and mad confusing. I do know that I have some Kelmendi blood (maybe a lot more from Grudë) and just for the record my relatives, especially cousins look so fucking Albo it's unreal. Like the epitome of paleo-balkanic people. They straight look like King Agron, Bardhis, and Queen Teuta came back to life. Shits crazy.

[Kelmendasi]

I don't know what my haplogroup could be, as the Shestani-Kraja region is mixed up with many highlander tribes who migrated probably because of gjakmarrja, or other reasons and possibly mixed with native Krajane people, who may have come from Shkrel. It's just a clusterfuck of Albanians from different places, and mad confusing. I do know that I have some Kelmendi blood (maybe a lot more from Grudë) and just for the record my relatives, especially cousins look so fucking Albo it's unreal. Like the epitome of paleo-balkanic people. They straight look like King Agron, Bardhis, and Queen Teuta came back to life. Shits crazy.
IMO you are probably J2b2-Y23094 and probably the Kelmendi-Nikç group although you could also be from the Shkreli group. There are chances of you being E-V13-Z16988 either from the Kelmendi or Palbardhi groups, E-V13-Z16661 like Kuqi, R1b-BY611 like the Anas families or maybe some other V13 or J2b2 group

[Dukagjini]

IMO you are probably J2b2-Y23094 and probably the Kelmendi-Nikç group although you could also be from the Shkreli group. There are chances of you being E-V13-Z16988 either from the Kelmendi or Palbardhi groups, E-V13-Z16661 like Kuqi, R1b-BY611 like the Anas families or maybe some other V13 or J2b2 group

The only way I will know is if I do a test. But I don't know where to start with that, which DNA test is best, 23andme, etc. Which is best from autosomal, y-dna. Genetics is interesting af. Watch me get I2 lol. Another component is the Arbanasi people. They moved to Croatia from Shestani-Kraja. The records of their surnames look slavic, but also Albanian but just slavicized. Were they originally a slavic people already that moved to Croatia? Or were they Albanians that were forcibly moved to Croatia?

Mind you the many if not the majority of Albos in Montenegro have had their names slavicized (including mine) probably from Yugoslav govt during annexation process or a little bit beyond. They were originally Albo surnames, and they still are just added with vic, and changed with slavic letters, like Lulgjuraj to ljuljdjurovic, or gjonbalaj to djombolic, etc...

[Dibran]

so is that me under K then or someone else?

I plot directly where Ylla is, and my father slightly under Leapfrogger.

[Kelmendasi]

The only way I will know is if I do a test. But I don't know where to start with that, which DNA test is best, 23andme, etc. Which is best from autosomal, y-dna. Genetics is interesting af. Watch me get I2 lol. Another component is the Arbanasi people. They moved to Croatia from Shestani-Kraja. The records of their surnames look slavic, but also Albanian but just slavicized. Were they originally a slavic people already that moved to Croatia? Or were they Albanians that were forcibly moved to Croatia?

Mind you the many if not the majority of Albos in Montenegro have had their names slavicized (including mine) probably from Yugoslav govt during annexation process or a little bit beyond. They were originally Albo surnames, and they still are just added with vic, and changed with slavic letters, like Lulgjuraj to ljuljdjurovic, or gjonbalaj to djombolic, etc...
For Ydna I’d suggest you buy Ftdna Y37 as it’s on sale or Yseq Alpha-Beta, for autosomal go for 23andme but i’d suggest starting off with Ydna. The Arbanasi are like the Arbershe but Ghegs, they are Albanians who migrated out of Montenegro mainly the Shestani region and north Albania. I doubt that you would get I2 unless you have a Slavic paternal forefather

[Skerdilaid]

No I have not tested and I'm Albo from Montenegro also.... just curious about I2 from us because it seems like there isn't any. I may do a test but I can't spend my money on DNA test rn. Btw do you have any Albos from my region in Montenegro (Shestani, Kraja) tested and what did they get?

Only one that I can think of at the moment who is J2b-M205, tested at 23andme. Which village are you from? You can pm me your info if you like and I can look you up if you want to find out your clan. Although, the best thing to do is to test, it only costs $90 including shipping fees at YSEQ (https://www.yseq.net/product_info.php?cPath=23&products_id=34&osCsid=d57300f892767f91c0b1257a85953c2a)

[Kelmendasi]

Only one that I can think of at the moment who is J2b-M205, tested at 23andme. Which village are you from? You can pm me your info if you like and I can look you up if you want to find out your clan. Although, the best thing to do is to test, it only costs $90 including shipping fees at YSEQ (https://www.yseq.net/product_info.php?cPath=23&products_id=34&osCsid=d57300f892767f91c0b1257a85953c2a)
What clan is the J2b1 guy from?

[Skerdilaid]

What clan is the J2b1 guy from?

No clan affiliation.

[Bec Sinani]

Orange=Montenegrin Albanians
Yellow=Kosovar Albanians
Green=Northern Albanians
Dark red=Macedonian Albanians
Black=Central Albanians
Purple-Blue=Southern Albanians

https://s2.postimg.org/hhu0odzop/Albanian_pca.png

Lmao.

And they claim Tosks came from Ghegs :picard1:

[safinator]

Lmao.

And they claim Tosks came from Ghegs :picard1:

Just internal variation in a country.

[Kelmendasi]

Just internal variation in a country.
Still pretty close, if it was individual plotting many Tosks would plot with Ghegs tightly

[Anthr0]

Still pretty close, if it was individual plotting many Tosks would plot with Ghegs tightly

If it was individual plotting, many Ghegs would plot even more North than average Montenegro Albanian or Kosova / North Albanian too and many Tosks would plot even more South than average South Albania and not just the other way around. Thats exactly what this map you have made is telling me atleast.

[Kelmendasi]

If it was individual plotting, many Ghegs would plot even more North than average Montenegro Albanian or Kosova / North Albanian too and many Tosks would plot even more South than average South Albania and not just the other way around. Thats exactly what this map you have made is telling me atleast.
True but both Albanian subgroups would plot close and around each other

[Dukagjini]

Where I plot (Montenegro Albanian)

http://i64.tinypic.com/3132nbs.jpg

[safinator]

Where I plot (Montenegro Albanian)

http://i64.tinypic.com/3132nbs.jpg

Usually Albanians from MNE are a bit more northern shifted but you are around the average by eye test.

[Dukagjini]

Usually Albanians from MNE are a bit more northern shifted but you are around the average by eye test.

Yea I plot around average. You think if I did FTDNA I would plot Norther? Doesn't FTDNA go back further, so maybe this would detect more slavic ancestry?

[safinator]

Yea I plot around average. You think if I did FTDNA I would plot Norther? Doesn't FTDNA go back further, so maybe this would detect more slavic ancestry?

I have seen people who tested with both and the difference in plotting is absolutely marginal to say the least, overall i would say you are a typical Albanian by results :thumbs

[Dukagjini]

I have seen people who tested with both and the difference in plotting is absolutely marginal to say the least, overall i would say you are a typical Albanian by results :thumbs

Here's me compared to other Albanian members. Credit to Seya for plot.

https://i.imgur.com/4vEC9YX.jpg

[Kelmendasi]

Yea I plot around average. You think if I did FTDNA I would plot Norther? Doesn't FTDNA go back further, so maybe this would detect more slavic ancestry?
I doubt that if 23andme didn't pick up anything Slavic or which could be presumed as Slavic, then Ftdna won't either. Ftdna and 23andme plots aren't different, they give the same results or very similar results

[Dukagjini]

I doubt that if 23andme didn't pick up anything Slavic or which could be presumed as Slavic, then Ftdna won't either. Ftdna and 23andme plots aren't different, they give the same results or very similar results

So basically I'm Albanian af and that 'further back' marketing scheme is BS.

[Kelmendasi]

So basically I'm Albanian af and that 'further back' marketing scheme is BS.
Basically yh, they say that they go further back but the give practically the same result as other which don't claim to go that far back. I got 100% SE Euro on Ftdna which is supposed to go back 2,000 years and 100% Balkan which only goes 200-500 years. But maybe this only happens to Albanians since we haven't really had any major genetic admix

[Dukagjini]

Basically yh, they say that they go further back but the give practically the same result as other which don't claim to go that far back. I got 100% SE Euro on Ftdna which is supposed to go back 2,000 years and 100% Balkan which only goes 200-500 years. But maybe this only happens to Albanians since we haven't really had any major genetic admix

Interesting. I think it's honestly a marketing scam to try to steer people to buy their product. Anyway's I'm just fascinated by all this considering how Monte Albs are supposedly more slav admixed while I am not really, even though I don't look that Albanian.

Maybe the Montenegro Albanian phenotype is just a natural difference between Gheg Albanians and has nothing to do with slav admixture, etc..

[Kelmendasi]

Interesting. I think it's honestly a marketing scam to try to steer people to buy their product. Anyway's I'm just fascinated by all this considering how Monte Albs are supposedly more slav admixed while I am not really, even though I don't look that Albanian.

Maybe the Montenegro Albanian phenotype is just a natural difference between Gheg Albanians and has nothing to do with slav admixture, etc..
To me Montenegrin Albanians look like other Albanians. It's only certain Montenegrin Albanian clans and families that had intermarriages with Montenegrins, not all of them did this.

[Dukagjini]

To me Montenegrin Albanians look like other Albanians. It's only certain Montenegrin Albanian clans and families that had intermarriages with Montenegrins, not all of them did this.

Which families/clans do you think did this? I agree that we look like other Albanians, but I think Albanians across all regions have phenotypical differences that we can tell and distinguish. Imo I look like a Malesor, which goes with the logic of my family history.

[Kelmendasi]

Which families/clans do you think did this? I agree that we look like other Albanians, but I think Albanians across all regions have phenotypical differences that we can tell and distinguish. Imo I look like a Malesor, which goes with the logic of my family history.
I think the ones which had constant Montenegrin influence or families that had moved more inland in Montenegro as their contact with Albanians would have become more limited, clans like the Trieshi had more contact with Montenegrins from Kuqi and so I assume that they did take some wives from Kuqi(although Kuqi is Albanian in origin but was Slavicized). I personally can't distinguish where an Albanian is from based on their looks, I guess that I can only do this in certain cases but I usually can't.

[Dukagjini]

I think the ones which had constant Montenegrin influence or families that had moved more inland in Montenegro as their contact with Albanians would have become more limited, clans like the Trieshi had more contact with Montenegrins from Kuqi and so I assume that they did take some wives from Kuqi(although Kuqi is Albanian in origin but was Slavicized). I personally can't distinguish where an Albanian is from based on their looks, I guess that I can only do this in certain cases but I usually can't.

This is interesting because even though I am supposedly from Grude by the looks of it, further down..... I could be Kuqi through my Y-dna.

I want to get the Alpha-Beta but unfortunately I can't rn becuz Im in college and I spending money on tons of books.

[Hulu]

Which families/clans do you think did this? I agree that we look like other Albanians, but I think Albanians across all regions have phenotypical differences that we can tell and distinguish. Imo I look like a Malesor, which goes with the logic of my family history.

You look like Richard Lukaj, he is from your region

http://www.kosovodiaspora.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/richard-harry-top-640x464-150x150.jpg

[Dukagjini]

You look like Richard Lukaj, he is from your region

http://www.kosovodiaspora.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/richard-harry-top-640x464-150x150.jpg

I've heard of this guy I think he is Monte Albo, but idk if he is from Shestani/Kraja (my region).

[Platinum]

Basically yh, they say that they go further back but the give practically the same result as other which don't claim to go that far back. I got 100% SE Euro on Ftdna which is supposed to go back 2,000 years and 100% Balkan which only goes 200-500 years. But maybe this only happens to Albanians since we haven't really had any major genetic admix


There are other Albanians I have seen on FTDNA that got East Europe but on 23andme they didn't, including some members on that map, so you are wrong in that case and obviously have no idea what you are talking about so I suggest leave these things to me. FTDNA does pick up more East Europe etc. Plotting means absolutely nothing. You see Albos that are less Slavic still shift more North.

The guy Dema on that map scores 19% East Europe on FTDNA and just look where he plots on that map. There are several others too.

Fustan - gets 94% on 23andme and no East Europe but on FTDNA he scored 9% East Europe and 9% British Isles. He shifts North because he's naturally North like that from before or else the guy Dema should of been just as North.

Ylla - scores 91% Balkan on 23andme , no East Europe etc but on FTDNA she got 9% East Europe.

There are plenty of other examples.

Skerdilaid - no significant East Europe on 23andme but did get 4% East Europe on FTDNA.

Seems like you Albos on these forums aren't very bright in the head.


As for Dukagjin, the guy does have some Slavic ancestry, on that geneplaza calc he scored some Baltic which is an obvious indicator of Slavic ancestry and FTDNA would probably pick up more East Europe , doesnt matter where he plots, it always picks it up much more than 23andme, if it doesn't it's cuz you haven't much anyway. It doesn't make you plot that more North even if you got 20% East Euro. He will still plot around where he plots more or less. 23andme is more recent and genes get diluted.

As for Albos from Montenegro, they shift that North naturally like many Kosovars do and certain Northern Albanian areas do and not because of Slavs whatsoever. The PCA map you made means absolutely nothing as on other maps I have seen Kosovar and North Albanian average as North as Albos from Montenegro.

PCA MAPS are autistic circle jerking nobody should give a fuck about. Bulgarians and Macedonians are probably like at least on average 20% East Europe but still manage to plot with some Albanians who are less so. And you see some Albanians who are more Slavic shift South of Albanians who are less because it isn't significant enough to make you shift that more North and on 23andme, which is recent, most come out 90% + Balkan so despite you might have distant Slavic ancestry like on FTDNA it isn't gonna show on 23andme since genes get diluted which means it doesn't affect plotting much in the first place,

Anyway, fuck this place. I'm out and you're all fucking dumb, dude.

[Bobby Martnen]

Which of these Albanians are Muslim, which of these Albanians are Catholic, which of these Albanians are Orthodox?


I want to see if there's a religious difference in Albanian DNA

[safinator]

Which of these Albanians are Muslim, which of these Albanians are Catholic, which of these Albanians are Orthodox?


I want to see if there's a religious difference in Albanian DNA

There are no differences.

[Nurzat]

Albanians seem to link southcentral Italy to the Balkans. cool