Post your most controversial genetic hypotheses.

[Sikeliot]

Mine are:

1. The Near Eastern genetic character of southern Italy, Crete, and Sicily has nothing to do with Phoenicians, Arabs, or Turks. Since these places all have an even more strongly Levantine MTDNA pool than y-dna, and colonizing groups tended to be mostly male settlers, my guess is that Bronze Age Sicily, Calabria, and Crete were even more Near Eastern than today, and became gradually more European with the Italics, Greeks, Normans, Slavs, Venetians, etc.

2. Australoids are an older race than even Sub-Saharans, and the first humans to leave Africa would have looked much more like them than like modern West Africans.

3. The original southern Spanish population finds its descendants in modern North Africans, and modern southern Spanish are mostly transplants from the north, as the original southerners were largely Arabized and then expelled to North Africa.

4. Ashkenazim are indeed half Levantine (y-dna) and half Italian (mtdna), more or less.

5. The "averages" we see for Latin Americans do not showcase the diversity, and you cannot average together mixed race populations and receive a reliable estimate of the population. If you average together Africans and Europeans, assuming half of a population is white and half is black, you'll be led to believe the population is mulatto when really it's just appearing that way from taking an average.

6. Dominicans, Cape Verdeans, and other island populations derived from enslaved women and European men are very inbred.

[Neon Knight]

Blond hair is not an essential northern European trait and came from a shortage of females in Scandinavia at some point in the past, with the blondes attracting more mates.

[Dick]

I have a mongolian spot on my ass.

[Mortimer]

I dont have any controversial views really

[Mingle]

Mine are:

1. The Near Eastern genetic character of southern Italy, Crete, and Sicily has nothing to do with Phoenicians, Arabs, or Turks. Since these places all have an even more strongly Levantine MTDNA pool than y-dna, and colonizing groups tended to be mostly male settlers, my guess is that Bronze Age Sicily, Calabria, and Crete were even more Near Eastern than today, and became gradually more European with the Italics, Greeks, Normans, Slavs, Venetians, etc.

2. Australoids are an older race than even Sub-Saharans, and the first humans to leave Africa would have looked much more like them than like modern West Africans.

3. The original southern Spanish population finds its descendants in modern North Africans, and modern southern Spanish are mostly transplants from the north, as the original southerners were largely Arabized and then expelled to North Africa.

4. Ashkenazim are indeed half Levantine (y-dna) and half Italian (mtdna), more or less.

5. The "averages" we see for Latin Americans do not showcase the diversity, and you cannot average together mixed race populations and receive a reliable estimate of the population. If you average together Africans and Europeans, assuming half of a population is white and half is black, you'll be led to believe the population is mulatto when really it's just appearing that way from taking an average.

6. Dominicans, Cape Verdeans, and other island populations derived from enslaved women and European men are very inbred.

#2 and #4 are not controversial in the slightest.

[Mingle]

There is no such thing as genetically European.

[Sikeliot]

#2 and #4 are not controversial in the slightest.

#4 is if people think it diminishes their right to Israel.

[de Burgh II]

I have a mongolian spot on my ass.

LMAO! :bowlol:

:rotfl:

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[Dick]

LMAO! :bowlol:

:rotfl:

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https://lumiere-a.akamaihd.net/v1/images/08d5a5160f56db72b82f863b1329ef996d8aefa3.jpeg

:fdgd:

[jingorex]

I have a mongolian spot on my ass.

i need photographic evidence.

[Dick]

i need photographic evidence.

If you're lucky :wink

[jingorex]

If you're lucky :wink

still around today because of my luck :)

send it!


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[Dick]

still around today because of my luck :)

send it!

I'm not a whore! Get to know me better first :eyes

[jingorex]

I'm not a whore! Get to know me better first :eyes


yes you are.

you really going to make me work for this?


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[Dick]

yes you are.

you really going to make me work for this?


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You're the cat and I'm the mouse. Chase me :fplug:

[Sikeliot]

lmao stop flirting and stay on topic

[Potentia]

3. The original southern Spanish population finds its descendants in modern North Africans, and modern southern Spanish are mostly transplants from the north, as the original southerners were largely Arabized and then expelled to North Africa.

Ah. I've come to this conclusion as well. However, do you think that the original southern Spaniards went to the Americas? So, Latin Americans technically are not related to the Modern Spanish Population? Or, do you think that Latin Americans descend from the Northerners?

[Figaro]

There is no such thing as genetically European.

Everything is a matter of Frequency. That being said, the WHG component in Europeans is NEARLY specific to them. Europeans have other components. that have some more overlap with some other pops.

[Grab the Gauge]

1.) Human males are degenerating physically and mentally due to an excessive deleterious mutational load on the disappearing Y-chromosome. In 20 years every man will be a lispy, drooling faggot with chicken-like skin, microscopic genitals, unstoppable diarrhea, and a heart the size of a sesame seed. Their skin will routinely slough off their body, and every time they cough (which will happen all the time, they will shit out their entire intestine and have to have it tucked back in again by a medical professional. They will have nonstop kidney and gallstones, such that male urine will be released in a solid form, resembling limestone. Males will be unable to open their eyes like baby kittens, but for the entirety of their lives.

Their voice will be characterized by a guttural rumbling "hum" that will will be so insidious that time itself will bend around them, in an effort to get away from them. Thsir dental malocclusion will be so extreme that you will be able to hear it. They will sound like this sick faggot here:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7X3fyId2U0

They will also have lips that jut out far forward in front of their face, and an excessively giddy yet fearful demeanor. Eventually the human male chromosome will be considered so damaged beyond repair, that the Autonomous Medical Robot's Union will give up on trying to fix the human genome, and will simply choose to eliminate the entire human species in one seamless autocratic hate-criminal Hulk-smash of authority and righteousness.

(Not my hypothesis, it's scientific consensus at this point.)

P.S. here is what this "man of the future" will look like


http://www.thequesterfiles.com/assets/images/17140_101654033198347_5601222_n.jpg


http://incogman.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/MARCO-RUBIO-HOMO.jpg


http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Damien+Echols+Men+Black+3+New+York+Premiere+gRuV5c HfkKJl.jpg

http://storage.torontosun.com/v1/blogs-prod-photos/e/3/d/c/3/e3dc3f5bc89fe5a9f479be551ee0c225.jpg?stmp=13537942 04

http://i.imgur.com/XuAngr3.jpg?1

[Peterski]

That Negritos are descended from an earlier wave of out-of-Africa migrants than other humans:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?207373-Are-all-Negritos-closely-related-Were-they-the-first-migrants-out-of-Africa&p=4336277&viewfull=1#post4336277

[jingorex]

i love this nigga.


1.) Human males are degenerating physically and mentally due to an excessive deleterious mutational load on the disappearing Y-chromosome. In 20 years every man will be a lispy, drooling faggot with chicken-like skin, microscopic genitals, unstoppable diarrhea, and a heart the size of a sesame seed. Their skin will routinely slough off their body, and every time they cough (which will happen all the time, they will shit out their entire intestine and have to have it tucked back in again by a medical professional. They will have nonstop kidney and gallstones, such that male urine will be released in a solid form, resembling limestone. Males will be unable to open their eyes like baby kittens, but for the entirety of their lives.

Their voice will be characterized by a guttural rumbling "hum" that will will be so insidious that time itself will bend around them, in an effort to get away from them. Thsir dental malocclusion will be so extreme that you will be able to hear it. They will sound like this sick faggot here:

They will also have lips that jut out far forward in front of their face, and an excessively giddy yet fearful demeanor. Eventually the human male chromosome will be considered so damaged beyond repair, that the Autonomous Medical Robot's Union will give up on trying to fix the human genome, and will simply choose to eliminate the entire human species in one seamless autocratic hate-criminal Hulk-smash of authority and righteousness.

(Not my hypothesis, it's scientific consensus at this point.)

P.S. here is what this "man of the future" will look like

[War Chef]

Languages are spread by women not men. That's why haplogroups don't always match the language (Turkic, Iranic, etc.)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2281891/Women-really-talk-men-13-000-words-day-precise.html

[Friends of Oliver Society]

1.) Human males are degenerating physically and mentally due to an excessive deleterious mutational load on the disappearing Y-chromosome. In 20 years every man will be a lispy, drooling faggot with chicken-like skin, microscopic genitals, unstoppable diarrhea, and a heart the size of a sesame seed. Their skin will routinely slough off their body, and every time they cough (which will happen all the time, they will shit out their entire intestine and have to have it tucked back in again by a medical professional. They will have nonstop kidney and gallstones, such that male urine will be released in a solid form, resembling limestone. Males will be unable to open their eyes like baby kittens, but for the entirety of their lives.

Their voice will be characterized by a guttural rumbling "hum" that will will be so insidious that time itself will bend around them, in an effort to get away from them. Thsir dental malocclusion will be so extreme that you will be able to hear it. They will sound like this sick faggot here:

[video=youtube;Q7X3fyId2U0]https://www.youtube.c

They will also have lips that jut out far forward in front of their face, and an excessively giddy yet fearful demeanor. Eventually the human male chromosome will be considered so damaged beyond repair, that the Autonomous Medical Robot's Union will give up on trying to fix the human genome, and will simply choose to eliminate the entire human species in one seamless autocratic hate-criminal Hulk-smash of authority and righteousness.

(Not my hypothesis, it's scientific consensus at this point.)

P.S. here is what this "man of the future" will look like



Why is it that every lengthy post you write for the lolz reads as if you're trying to impersonate Maddox?
http://maddox.xmission.com/

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

If I said so it would be too controversial for many people here. Even though I know it doesn't apply to everyone here.

[Voskos]

gedmatch iis crap. Theres a whole lot of exotic admixture all over your genome, which isnt measurable through SNPs

[Kriptc06]

Native Americans aren't fully mongoloid, they are at least a quarter caucasoid, that's why some mestizos, despite looking darker can look almost 3/4 euro-caucasoid, or in rare cases fully caucasoid, in contrast to a quadroon
(SSA) that can look mulatto at times.

[Sekarotuinen]

I believe in the Ethiopian sponsored theory of East Africans being genetically distinct originally, despite having become mixed recently.

[Peterski]

Native Americans aren't fully mongoloid, they are at least a quarter caucasoid

This is not even controversial, it has been known for a while that they are partially ANE.

[Kriptc06]

This is not even controversial, it has been known for a while that they are partially ANE.

Is there anyway to quantify the ANE on already mixed people? Euro-Native? Besides gedrosia K3

[Rethel]

This is not even controversial, it has been known for a while that they are partially ANE.

It is still, becasue ANE it is a mix of caucasian and amerindian per se.

[Rethel]

It isn't controversial any longer, but I have to have some share here: :)

Thesis: first and only true Whites were/are R1... :p

[LoLeL]

Proto-Indo-Europeans were similar to Amerindians or Siberians.

[Rethel]

Proto-Indo-Europeans were similar to Amerindians or Siberians.

Nope, but if you think so, then tell me, who was white then, according to you?

[Profileid]

My hypothesis is that all this shit is gay.

[Sekarotuinen]

My hypothesis is that all this shit is gay.
That's why I thought until I realized the gay stuff was a cover for the satanic.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170508/c9399da90a716bf77e4f2ec3569c51ff.jpg

[LoLeL]

Nope, but if you think so, then tell me, who was white then, according to you?

Yeah, PIEs had light skin and hairs but were their phenotype 100% Europid?

[Rethel]

Yeah, PIEs had light skin and hairs but were their phenotype 100% Europid?

Yes and no.
Modern Europeans are a mix of these original Indoeuropeans and Wuhageans with Anatolians.

BUT the antropological remains from EHG cultures are classyfied as modern phenotypes,
especially those who can be found today in Russia with high presence of Cordeds of course.

[Jana]

India was not conquered by European-like people but rather CHG /Iran_neolithic with some northeast European admixture, invaders. :o

[JMack]

Mine are:

1. The Near Eastern genetic character of southern Italy, Crete, and Sicily has nothing to do with Phoenicians, Arabs, or Turks. Since these places all have an even more strongly Levantine MTDNA pool than y-dna, and colonizing groups tended to be mostly male settlers, my guess is that Bronze Age Sicily, Calabria, and Crete were even more Near Eastern than today, and became gradually more European with the Italics, Greeks, Normans, Slavs, Venetians, etc.


I agree with the basics. Except that there is no 'European' genetically, a Sicilian is so European as a Swede. Despite clustering closer to Lebs than to Irish or whatever. Europe is a diverse continent. I also think Ancient Greece was more similar to Calabria/Crete/Rhodes genetically in the past before the arrival of the Slavic input present in modern Greeks.

I also believe that Proto-Indo-Europeans were closer to Armenians and Iranians than to Nordics or Slavs.

[War Chef]

North/Central Europeans work harder & more efficiently because they descend from hunter gatherers, who had to adapt to rough lifestyle.

Southerners are generally lazy because with farming you can just plant a few seeds & sit on your ass waiting for them to sprout.

[Sikeliot]

One of mine:

There is almost no mainland Greek DNA in Crete, Sicily, Calabria, Pontians, Cypriots, or the Dodecanese. These people are genetically close because of their pre-Greek, Near Eastern derived ancestry. The exception is some parts of eastern Sicily with more Greek ancestry like Syracuse, Ragusa, Enna. But Dodecanese is almost entirely Hellenized natives.

[Maguzanci]

Native Americans aren't fully mongoloid, they are at least a quarter caucasoid, that's why some mestizos, despite looking darker can look almost 3/4 euro-caucasoid, or in rare cases fully caucasoid, in contrast to a quadroon
(SSA) that can look mulatto at times.

Definitely agree with you. Here is a Global K10 PCA (from Basal K7). I attempted to plot several Amerindian gedmatch kits here. As you can see, the Amerindian cluster is somewhere from 25 to 31.25% West Eurasian-shifted with pure Native Americans like Karitiana being at least 25% Caucasoid-related.

https://i.imgur.com/EnF1VCo.png

Furthermore, I plot several Euro-admixed Amerindian and Indomestizo gedmatch kits like Mayan, Peruvian 1,2,3 and Mexican 3 in the PCA and they range from around 34ish to 44% West Eurasian genetically using MDLP World calculator if we assumed pure Amerindians are at least 25% WNA-related. The West Eurasian percentages might increase, if 100% Natives are even more Caucasoid-related than that. These Native American kits range from around 70-85% Amerindian btw. Here is where I got the kits from: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?207716-Latin-American-users-PCA-maps/page46

Also I put some Northern Amerindians average from MDLP World such as Tlingit, Kumiai, Cochimi and Serrano and they are also 40ish to 55% West Eurasian-related based on their plots in the PCA.

What's interesting for me is that Native Americans with some Euro admixed seem to cluster close to Central Asians in terms of ENA and WNA ancestries. For example, Peruvian2 and Tlingit clusters close to the Kazakh average while Mexican3 and Cochimi plot close to the Karakalpak (Turkic ethnic minority from Uzbekistan) and Uzbek average samples.

Finally it is fascinating how some Amerindians like Serrano are slightly more Caucasoid-shifted than some South Asians like Bengali and Hakkipikki (an indigenous tribe from South India).

Whew!! Plotting this PCA is very tedious lol. Literally took me at least 6-7 hours everyday of the week to plot and edit the results again and again lol. :ranger:speechless-smiley-0:yawnee20:

What do you think about this? Opinions or criticisms?

P.S.- I might be wrong about all samples I plot in the PCA though especially the Karakalpak and Uzbek samples (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9o3EYTdM8lQb0ZjM0pLVmtvTFE/view) that I got from average values from this Eurogenes stuff (urogenes.blogspot.com/2016/10/a-fresh-look-at-global-genetic-diversity.html).

[cosmoo]

People overly obsessed with GEDmatch, Dodecad, and similar calculators have SNP variants responsible for increased chance of being homosexual, as well as having small cranial capacity and being unable to lead a coherent discussion.

[Kriptc06]

Definitely agree with you. Here is a Global K10 PCA (from Basal K7). I attempted to plot several Amerindian gedmatch kits here. As you can see, the Amerindian cluster is somewhere from 25 to 31.25% West Eurasian-shifted with pure Native Americans like Karitiana being at least 25% Caucasoid-related.

https://i.imgur.com/EnF1VCo.png

Furthermore, I plot several Euro-admixed Amerindian and Indomestizo gedmatch kits like Mayan, Peruvian 1,2,3 and Mexican 3 in the PCA and they range from around 34ish to 44% West Eurasian genetically using MDLP World calculator if we assumed pure Amerindians are at least 25% WNA-related. The West Eurasian percentages might increase, if 100% Natives are even more Caucasoid-related than that. These Native American kits range from around 70-85% Amerindian btw. Here is where I got the kits from: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?207716-Latin-American-users-PCA-maps/page46

Also I put some Northern Amerindians average from MDLP World such as Tlingit, Kumiai, Cochimi and Serrano and they are also 40ish to 55% West Eurasian-related based on their plots in the PCA.

What's interesting for me is that Native Americans with some Euro admixed seem to cluster close to Central Asians in terms of ENA and WNA ancestries. For example, Peruvian2 and Tlingit clusters close to the Kazakh average while Mexican3 and Cochimi plot close to the Karakalpak (Turkic ethnic minority from Uzbekistan) and Uzbek average samples.

Finally it is fascinating how some Amerindians like Serrano are slightly more Caucasoid-shifted than some South Asians like Bengali and Hakkipikki (an indigenous tribe from South India).

Whew!! Plotting this PCA is very tedious lol. Literally took me at least 6-7 hours everyday of the week to plot and edit the results again and again lol. :ranger:speechless-smiley-0:yawnee20:

What do you think about this? Opinions or criticisms?

P.S.- I might be wrong about all samples I plot in the PCA though especially the Karakalpak and Uzbek samples (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9o3EYTdM8lQb0ZjM0pLVmtvTFE/view) that I got from average values from this Eurogenes stuff (urogenes.blogspot.com/2016/10/a-fresh-look-at-global-genetic-diversity.html).

wow, amazing colection of information you got here, good job! I always thought they had this caucasoid component, because of how they look, and now here you have some info to support it, I've heard before some mestizos clustered close to central asians, and had somewhat 'similar makeup' to them in terms of caucasoid-mongoloid admix. Keep the good work man! It took you a long time but it was worth it :thumb001:

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Europeans are basically the same as middle easterners. Just different religions.

[The Sun King]

Indo European’s were 50% Mongoloid.

[Сербо Макеридов]

Alpine race is related with Turanids and Mongoloids. :D