The Genomic History Of Southeastern Europe

[Fustan]

http://i.imgur.com/maq1TlQ.png

:rockon:

[Dibran]

Also for comparison - neolithic Anatolia on Gedmatch

Z892662 Barcin 31 (neolithic Anatolia)
Z155641 Barcin 8 (neolithic Anatolia)

Barcin 8 has even modern relatives:)


Any plans on posting other southeastern euro remains/kits? or have they not been added yet. here is me and my pops k15 with these remians

65655

[Lucas]

Any plans on posting other southeastern euro remains/kits? or have they not been added yet. here is me and my pops k15 with these remians

65655

Maybe tomorrow will be third Greek neolithic kit. I must convert first.

But another I have. This is RISE596 Montenegro Iron Age. Little contaminated (hence few % SSA). Ignore this component. Generally looks very East-Euro for Balkans. Probably steppe related.

M462154

[Jana]

Maybe tomorrow will be third Greek neolithic kit. I must convert first.

But another I have. This is RISE596 Montenegro Iron Age. Little contaminated (hence few % SSA). Ignore this component. Generally looks very East-Euro for Balkans. Probably steppe related.

M462154
I ran him on gedmatch:
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NorthEastEuropean 37.15
2 Steppe 31.53
3 Neolithic 24.79
4 Siberian 3.78
5 Amerindian 2.74

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Icelandic 15.18
2 Finn 15.71
3 Finn 15.84
4 Norwegian 15.87
5 Ingrians 16.45
6 Finn 16.49
7 Orcadian 16.57
8 Finn 16.76
9 Latvian_Dobele 16.9
10 Scottish 17.05
11 Finn 17.21
12 Karelian 17.44
13 Estonian 17.76
14 Swede 18.12
15 Latvian 18.25
16 Russian 18.42
17 Russian 18.48
18 Vepsa 18.71
19 Finn 19.19
20 English 19.2

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 78.9% Finn + 21.1% Basque @ 13.62
2 76.6% Latvian_Dobele + 23.4% Basque @ 14.19
3 79% Finn + 21% Spanish @ 14.29
4 79.3% Ingrians + 20.7% Basque @ 14.49
5 82.6% Icelandic + 17.4% Saami_WGA @ 14.5
6 80.1% Finn + 19.9% French @ 14.5
7 59% Icelandic + 41% Finn @ 14.54
8 69.8% Latvian_Cesis + 30.2% Basque @ 14.58
9 74.7% Estonian + 25.3% Basque @ 14.61
10 83.8% Icelandic + 16.2% Saami @ 14.62
11 92.5% Icelandic + 7.5% Mansi @ 14.75
12 72.9% Icelandic + 27.1% Finn @ 14.83
13 94.6% Icelandic + 5.4% Tubalar @ 14.89
14 77.6% Finn + 22.4% Basque @ 14.92
15 50.4% Finn + 49.6% Norwegian @ 14.93
16 76.7% Karelian + 23.3% Basque @ 14.93
17 57.6% Finn + 42.4% Orcadian @ 14.94
18 77.1% Icelandic + 22.9% Karelian @ 14.94
19 94.9% Icelandic + 5.1% Selkup @ 14.95
20 76.3% Latvian_Dobele + 23.7% Spanish @ 14.98

Damn....

:D

[Lucas]

Only 10 000 snp, so not very reliable.

[Dick]

Maybe tomorrow will be third Greek neolithic kit. I must convert first.

But another I have. This is RISE596 Montenegro Iron Age. Little contaminated (hence few % SSA). Ignore this component. Generally looks very East-Euro for Balkans. Probably steppe related.

M462154

Montenegro with SSA ;)

[Dick]

I ran him on gedmatch:
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NorthEastEuropean 37.15
2 Steppe 31.53
3 Neolithic 24.79
4 Siberian 3.78
5 Amerindian 2.74

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Icelandic 15.18
2 Finn 15.71
3 Finn 15.84
4 Norwegian 15.87
5 Ingrians 16.45
6 Finn 16.49
7 Orcadian 16.57
8 Finn 16.76
9 Latvian_Dobele 16.9
10 Scottish 17.05
11 Finn 17.21
12 Karelian 17.44
13 Estonian 17.76
14 Swede 18.12
15 Latvian 18.25
16 Russian 18.42
17 Russian 18.48
18 Vepsa 18.71
19 Finn 19.19
20 English 19.2

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 78.9% Finn + 21.1% Basque @ 13.62
2 76.6% Latvian_Dobele + 23.4% Basque @ 14.19
3 79% Finn + 21% Spanish @ 14.29
4 79.3% Ingrians + 20.7% Basque @ 14.49
5 82.6% Icelandic + 17.4% Saami_WGA @ 14.5
6 80.1% Finn + 19.9% French @ 14.5
7 59% Icelandic + 41% Finn @ 14.54
8 69.8% Latvian_Cesis + 30.2% Basque @ 14.58
9 74.7% Estonian + 25.3% Basque @ 14.61
10 83.8% Icelandic + 16.2% Saami @ 14.62
11 92.5% Icelandic + 7.5% Mansi @ 14.75
12 72.9% Icelandic + 27.1% Finn @ 14.83
13 94.6% Icelandic + 5.4% Tubalar @ 14.89
14 77.6% Finn + 22.4% Basque @ 14.92
15 50.4% Finn + 49.6% Norwegian @ 14.93
16 76.7% Karelian + 23.3% Basque @ 14.93
17 57.6% Finn + 42.4% Orcadian @ 14.94
18 77.1% Icelandic + 22.9% Karelian @ 14.94
19 94.9% Icelandic + 5.1% Selkup @ 14.95
20 76.3% Latvian_Dobele + 23.7% Spanish @ 14.98

Damn....

:D

78% finn+28% basque is interesting.

[Jana]

He doesn't score any european neolithic farmer admixture in Eurogenes K7!

ANE 25.10
ASE -
WHG-UHG 71.05
East_Eurasian -
West_African -
East_African 3.85
ENF -

Either extremely northern invader really came to Montengero or this sample isn't the best so we should wait for more quality ones.

[Voskos]

weird.

[Wrong]

He doesn't score any european neolithic farmer admixture in Eurogenes K7!

ANE 25.10
ASE -
WHG-UHG 71.05
East_Eurasian -
West_African -
East_African 3.85
ENF -

Either extremely northern invader really came to Montengero or this sample isn't the best so we should wait for more quality ones.

Only 10 000 SNPs so that's why. They get fucked up admixtures when it's that low.

[Dick]

He doesn't score any european neolithic farmer admixture in Eurogenes K7!

ANE 25.10
ASE -
WHG-UHG 71.05
East_Eurasian -
West_African -
East_African 3.85
ENF -

Either extremely northern invader really came to Montengero or this sample isn't the best so we should wait for more quality ones.

Lol. Was he I2 or something too.

[Rethel]

WHG-UHG

What is it? :confused:

[Jana]

What is it? :confused:

Western European/Unknown Hunter-Gatherer (WHG-UHG): this essentially looks like a West Eurasian forager component, and includes the forager-like stuff carried by Neolithic farmers (Oetzi the Iceman has 40% of it).

:o

[Lucas]

He doesn't score any european neolithic farmer admixture in Eurogenes K7!


Either extremely northern invader really came to Montengero or this sample isn't the best so we should wait for more quality ones.

Steppe madafucker (because of few % SSA) :)

[The Illyrian Warrior]

We really suffer to find a high quality sample, all samples we have are pretty much useless.

[The Destroyer]

They are our white version of we wuz building pyrimidz and sheit.

Says gypsy immigrant from Caucasus brought as slaves by Byzantines to work their fields. You never even had a state until 20th century.

http://geocurrents.info/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Caucasian-Albania-in-Context-Map.jpg

[The Destroyer]

We don't know the reasons. Southeastern Europe is seriously under sampled area and that shouldn't be the case. For example in case of Bosnia there are many Illyrian sites from where DNA can be extracted and we can finally know the truth.
But maybe it is matter of money for all these countries.

Robocop said some Croatian researchers were working on an Illyrian site in Dalmatia near Zadar.

[Tschaikisten]

Robocop said some Croatian researchers were working on an Illyrian site in Dalmatia near Zadar.

he's talking that since 2010 on stormfront :picard1:

[Kelmendasi]

Says gypsy immigrant from Caucasus brought as slaves by Byzantines to work their fields. You never even had a state until 20th century.

[IM]http://geocurrents.info/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Caucasian-Albania-in-Context-Map.jpg[/IMG]
Coming from a Bosniak this is super funny since your nation formed in 1991 xD. Btw I don't remember any I2a-Din being found in the Balkans ;). 100% Euro genetically and Indo-European but still from the Caucasus great logic m8 xD

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Says gypsy immigrant from Caucasus brought as slaves by Byzantines to work their fields. You never even had a state until 20th century.

http://geocurrents.info/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Caucasian-Albania-in-Context-Map.jpg

triggered bosniak is triggered. :D

When I wrote that I had you in mind, my i2a uber illyrian.

[Fustan]

I don't know what's worse, being massacred and raped by serbs or being massacred and raped by serbs while understanding the words they expressed during their actions. Poor bosna.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

People: who build pyramids

Destroyer: Bosniaks

People: Again, who build pyramids

Destroyer: I2a ylliriens.

:laugh:

[Fustan]

the only thing built by ancient bosnas resembling pyramids were pyramid sand castles made in the beaches of poland aaahahah

[The Destroyer]

Coming from a Bosniak this is super funny since your nation formed in 1991 xD. Btw I don't remember any I2a-Din being found in the Balkans ;). 100% Euro genetically and Indo-European but still from the Caucasus great logic m8 xD

Bosniaks had their state in the 12th century and killed Serb and Vatican missionaries who crossed the border. Meanwhile, Albanians were ruled by Byzantines, Serbs, Venetians or the next best pimp.

[Kelmendasi]

Bosniaks had their state in the 12th century and killed Serb and Vatican missionaries who crossed the border. Meanwhile, Albanians were ruled by Byzantines, Serbs, Venetians or the next best pimp.
1991 is your current year of formation, I don't care about old Bosnia.

[Tschaikisten]

Bosniaks had their state in the 12th century and killed Serb and Vatican missionaries who crossed the border. Meanwhile, Albanians were ruled by Byzantines, Serbs, Venetians or the next best pimp.

actually that state were christian serbo-croatian unlike modern ISIS federation with capital in sarajevo aka european raqqa

[The Destroyer]

People: who build pyramids

Destroyer: Bosniaks

People: Again, who build pyramids

Destroyer: I2a ylliriens.

:laugh:

What's the difference gypsy? Where do the tallest people on Earth live today my 160cm friend, and how did Ancient Romans describe Illyrians physically? Which is the most isolated and most mountainous region in Balkan peninsula? Which is the genetically most homogenous country on the Balkans? Does a bell ring, do you understand common logic?

[The Destroyer]

actually that state were christian serbo-croatian unlike modern ISIS federation with capital in sarajevo aka european raqqa

:laugh:

[Tschaikisten]

What's the difference gypsy? Where do the tallest people on Earth live today my 160cm friend, and how did Ancient Romans describe Illyrians physically? Which is the most isolated and most mountainous region in Balkan peninsula? Which is the genetically most homogenous country on the Balkans? Does a bell ring, do you understand common logic?

northern albania.
you destroyed yourself. xD

[Dick]

ants build pyramids too


http://www.dpeck.info/pictures/uganda/uganda-anthills01.jpg

[The Destroyer]

1991 is your current year of formation, I don't care about old Bosnia.

Ok, then you were formed in 1991 too, since this is when modern-day Albanian Republic was formed. Fair.

[Wrong]

northern albania.
you destroyed yourself. xD
Yeah lol. Bosnia is just some tall green hills from what I've seen, not many rough mountains.

http://feelbosnia.com/images/uploads/bosnia_pyramid_2.jpg

[The Illyrian Warrior]

the only thing built by ancient bosnas resembling pyramids were pyramid sand castles made in the beaches of poland aaahahah

I heard they were not allowed to come near Poland beaches by other slav big boys, basically they were left to play with mud in Poland swamp all alone.

[The Destroyer]

northern albania.
you destroyed yourself. xD

Wrong my illiterate peasant friend. Go feed the pigs, don't meddle in white people's affairs.

[The Destroyer]

Yeah lol. Bosnia is just some tall green hills from what I've seen, not many rough mountains.

http://feelbosnia.com/images/uploads/bosnia_pyramid_2.jpg

http://www.gifex.com/images/0X0/2009-11-17-11135/Balkans-Physical-political-Map.jpg

Epic fail.

[Kelmendasi]

Ok, then you were formed in 1991 too, since this is when modern-day Albanian Republic was formed. Fair.
Lol. Albania formed in 1912 speng xD

[Wrong]

They don't cluster with N.Italians and not even close to Iberians, wtf are you talking about? They plot like Tuscans or more farmer shifted Bulgarians. Basically where they should be given that these samples are from Bronze Age Bulgaria and Croatia. So far evidence suggests that most modern Balkans are North Euro shifted compared to the Bronze Age.
This.

[The Destroyer]

I heard they were not allowed to come near Poland beaches by other slav big boys, basically they were left to play with mud in Poland swamp all alone.

You are clearly the triggered one, you wrote 10 comments in 2 minutes. Poor Caucasus gypsy.

[The Destroyer]

Lol. Albania formed in 1912 speng xD

Nope, modern democratic non-Communist Albania formed in 1991. It is shameful that you know nothing about your land.

[Wrong]

http://www.gifex.com/images/0X0/2009-11-17-11135/Balkans-Physical-political-Map.jpg

Epic fail.
Must be the shortest mountains in the world.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0TiGbJLGMLk/T63yJNxAB8I/AAAAAAAAAOE/5jM0NqSmCCU/s1600/Sarajevo+Hills.JPG

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/13/Bare%2C_Sarajevo.jpg

[Kelmendasi]

Nope, modern democratic non-Communist Albania formed in 1991. It is shameful that you know nothing about your land.
Hahahahhahahhahaha xD

[The Illyrian Warrior]

What's the difference gypsy? Where do the tallest people on Earth live today my 160cm friend, and how did Ancient Romans describe Illyrians physically? Which is the most isolated and most mountainous region in Balkan peninsula? Which is the genetically most homogenous country on the Balkans? Does a bell ring, do you understand common logic?

I thought you were kidding here but when I remembered who said this, I was only thinking about pyramids Bosniaks were building.

[The Destroyer]

Yeah lol. Bosnia is just some tall green hills from what I've seen, not many rough mountains.

http://feelbosnia.com/images/uploads/bosnia_pyramid_2.jpg

Second map. Basically, only Montenegro can compete with Bosnian mountains.

http://transeuropalauf.de/tel_new/images/karten/strecke_europa.jpg

[The Destroyer]

Must be the shortest mountains in the world.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0TiGbJLGMLk/T63yJNxAB8I/AAAAAAAAAOE/5jM0NqSmCCU/s1600/Sarajevo+Hills.JPG

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/13/Bare%2C_Sarajevo.jpg

(quotes pictures from capital city) :rofl::rofl::rofl::bump2::bump2::jump0000::jump000 0::jump0000:

[Wrong]

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Second map. Basically, only Montenegro can compete with Bosnian mountains.

http://transeuropalauf.de/tel_new/images/karten/strecke_europa.jpg

These Bosnian "mountains" are very short.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

You are clearly the triggered one, you wrote 10 comments in 2 minutes. Poor Caucasus gypsy.

I'd be if I gave you a thumbs down like you did, but didn't see this happen. :D

[The Illyrian Warrior]

This gangbang was most embarrassing and fastest demolition in any gangbang serie.

[Kelmendasi]

Second map. Basically, only Montenegro can compete with Bosnian mountains.

[IM]http://transeuropalauf.de/tel_new/images/karten/strecke_europa.jpg[/IMG]
Really, 70% of Albania is mountainous and is classed as one of the most mountainous places in Europe

[The Destroyer]

​

These Bosnian "mountains" are very short.

There is really no difference between sheeptars and serfs. You show a sheeptar and a serf anything and he says "dis iz srbija/šiptarija", you sho them white milk, they say "this iz blek". You could have done a 5 minute research on wikipedia about moiuntains and terrain in the Balkans, but you just keep repeating the same phrases.

[Wrong]

Really, 70% of Albania is mountainous and is classed as one of the most mountainous places in Europe
Actually, Albania has among the highest mountains.

[Kelmendasi]

Actually, Albania has among the highest mountains.
We have the highest mountain in the Dinaric alps

[Wrong]

We have the highest mountain in the Dinaric alps
Perfect highlands to take cover in for Ilirs.

[The Destroyer]

This gangbang was most embarrassing and fastest demolition in any gangbang serie.

The fact that you look at a discussion this way just shows you are still mentally a child. What are you, 16?

[The Illyrian Warrior]

ants build pyramids too


http://www.dpeck.info/pictures/uganda/uganda-anthills01.jpg

I'm starting to think ants have taken all the inspiration from Bosniak pyramids.

[The Destroyer]

We have the highest mountain in the Dinaric alps

Delusion level: Serb. I have stopped talking to them because they don't accept any scientific facts, and it seems this will be your fate, too. You forgot to say Jesus was Albo too.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

The fact that you look at a discussion this way just shows you are still mentally a child. What are you, 16?

I like to add some entertainment to the debate, what can I do I'm a funny guy time 2 time.

[Kelmendasi]

Delusion level: Serb. I have stopped talking to them because they don't accept any scientific facts, and it seems this will be your fate, too. You forgot to say Jesus was Albo too.
Are u actually dumb? "Maja Jezercë (Albanian: Maja Jezercë), is the highest peak in the entire Dinaric Alps, the second highest in Albania and the seventh highest in the Balkans, standing at 2,694 m (8,839 ft) above sea level. However, Maja Jezercë is the 28th most prominent mountain peak in the European continent.[3]" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maja_Jezercë

[Tschaikisten]

Delusion level: Serb. I have stopped talking to them because they don't accept any scientific facts, and it seems this will be your fate, too. You forgot to say Jesus was Albo too.

Well...

Gypsy subhuman, I have analyzed the results of this dirty document and you don't know what you're talking about.

First, various I2 haplogroups are abundant. We don't yet know what subclade I2 Din descended from, so no conclusions can be drawn from this.

Second, this gypsy research included coutries such as Russia, Germany and Jordan, so why is this thread even called genocmic history of SE Europe, when actual Balkan samples are the minority in that link you posted?

[The Destroyer]

Well...

My point is still made, you took samples from Russia, Germany and Jordan and said the paper was about ancient pre-IE Balkan population.

[Tschaikisten]

My point is still made, you took samples from Russia, Germany and Jordan and said the paper was about ancient pre-IE Balkan population.

:picard1:

[Kelmendasi]

Oi the Destroyer, you do know that the oldest I2a-Din sample was found in Poland? xD

[Kelmendasi]

My point is still made, you took samples from Russia, Germany and Jordan and said the paper was about ancient pre-IE Balkan population.
Still though, the samples that were from the Balkans had no I2a-Din

[The Destroyer]

Oi the Destroyer, you do know that the oldest I2a-Din sample was found in Poland? xD

And why does this have to mean anything? Why do you think we won't discover older samples in the Balkans? Balkan is extremely undersampled and unresearched region, our knowledge about it is very poor.

[Kelmendasi]

And why does this have to mean anything? Why do you think we won't discover older samples in the Balkans? Balkan is extremely undersampled and unresearched region, our knowledge about it is very poor.
:picard1:. How do you think it arrived in Poland... migrating Illyrians?:picard1:

[Tschaikisten]

:picard1:. How do you think it arrived in Poland... migrating Illyrians?:picard1:

ancient bosnian pyramid technology for teleportation
http://static.wixstatic.com/media/e9889f_a6871f15bf7a4d10a90df462327576f4.jpg_srz_60 8_339_85_22_0.50_1.20_0.00_jpg_srz

[Dick]

Oi the Destroyer, you do know that the oldest I2a-Din sample was found in Poland? xD

Whoa.

[Kelmendasi]

Oldest I2a1b sample: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?214540-I2a-Din-in-900s-AD-Poland&highlight=I2a1b

[The Destroyer]

:picard1:. How do you think it arrived in Poland... migrating Illyrians?:picard1:

Why not? Running away from the Gothic and Hunnic invasions (who came East and West of Balkans, and South was Mediterranean Sea, so only way of fleeing was North towards then-Slavic lands. I'm not saying it surely happened, but don't dismiss it. The sample is from 10th century after all.

[Dick]

Why not? Running away from the Gothic and Hunnic invasions (who came East and West of Balkans, and South was Mediterranean Sea

Why didn't you guys just fucking swim or take a ferry boat to Italy.

[Rethel]

http://i64.tinypic.com/erj4hs.jpg

Goć and rather serf than peasant, I guess, in english.

[Dick]

Goć and rather serf than peasant, I guess, in english.

Don't be jealous of my red truck.

[Rethel]

Don't be jealous of my red truck.

I prefer such trucks without second line of seats. So,
no, I am not. Change as I said. Will be cool and good.
Especially ć will looks awesome.

[Wrong]

Don't be jealous of my red truck.
http://i64.tinypic.com/erj4hs.jpg

That is the pout he made after embarking to the Polish shores in contempt of the Polish pigfarmers. xD

[cosmoo]

Oi the Destroyer, you do know that the oldest I2a-Din sample was found in Poland? xD

Actually, oldest I2a1b "Dinaric" was found thousands of years earlier, in Motala12 hunter-gatherer from Sweden:
https://i.imgur.com/SPXjt2yl.jpg

[Dick]

http://i64.tinypic.com/erj4hs.jpg

That is the pout he made after embarking to the Polish shores in disgust of the Polish pigfarmers. xD

He was hoping that the goths would come out as R1. Sucks to be him. He jelly.

[Peterski]

ancient bosnian pyramid technology for teleportation
http://static.wixstatic.com/media/e9889f_a6871f15bf7a4d10a90df462327576f4.jpg_srz_60 8_339_85_22_0.50_1.20_0.00_jpg_srz

Poles built Bosnian Pyramids!:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-hoEoga8no

[Dick]

Jokes aside, the dude has a massive hole in his skull. Obviously didn't die of natural causes.

[Peterski]

oldest I2a1b "Dinaric" was found thousands of years earlier, in Motala12 hunter-gatherer from Sweden:

And who is the most genetically similar to Motala hunter-gatherers today?:

http://polishgenes.blogspot.com/2012/04/prehistoric-scandinavians-genetically.html

Also there is I2a1b from Mesolithic Lithuania, Kreutonas, close to Poland:

http://www.ancestraljourneys.org/mesolithicdna.shtml

http://i.imgur.com/KTI8sky.png

[Wrong]

Jokes aside, the dude has a massive hole in his skull. Obviously didn't die of natural causes.
Looks like he was executed due to the severity of the blow, without a helmet too. Not ruling out it was a battle-blow.

These guys obviously saw war all their lives.

[Tschaikisten]

Poles built Bosnian Pyramids!:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-hoEoga8no
R1's can not build anything, they are specialists for search and destroy.

[Dick]

Looks like he was executed due to the severity of the blow, without a helmet too. Not ruling out it was a battle-blow.

These guys obviously saw war all their lives.

maybe he didn't milk enough cows for his R1 masters. anyway he reminds me of this actor

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/image.php?u=3980&dateline=1472422583

[Rethel]

Jokes aside, the dude has a massive hole in his skull. Obviously didn't die of natural causes.

He did mess with R1-somebody's granma.

http://img.sadistic.pl/pics/f1777b3b962f.jpg


And who is the most genetically similar to Motala hunter-gatherers today?:

http://polishgenes.blogspot.com/2012/04/prehistoric-scandinavians-genetically.html

Becasue Motala autosomally was a mix. Not too good to make assumptions.

[Dibran]

This.

Are there ged kits for the Croatia and Bulgaria sample?

[Wrong]

maybe he didn't milk enough cows for his R1 masters. anyway he reminds me of this actor

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/image.php?u=3980&dateline=1472422583
Yeah. Probably had long hair and beard.

[Dick]

He did mess with R1-somebody's granma.

http://img.sadistic.pl/pics/f1777b3b962f.jpg



Becasue Motala autosomally was a mix. Not too good to make assumptions.

Kazimiera's great babushka killed him.

[Wrong]

Looks like a hammerblow to me. Were battlehammers used that early?

[Peterski]

You will be taken before R1a!


Kazimiera's great babushka killed him.

Not impossible! Pyrrhus of Epirus was killed by a babushka as well.

[Dick]

Looks like a hammerblow to me. Were battlehammers used that early?

Or the butt end of an axe

[Rethel]

R1's can not build anything

Not one or three
nobody needed
pyramyds, but
all around the
world these,
thousands
of such:

http://static1.tapetyczne.pl/big/876-midtown-manhattan-wiezowce.jpg

This also:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpIa-lcFg8g

And this:

http://www.kosmonautyka.pl/images/kosmonautyka-pl/miedzynarodowa-stacja-kosmiczna/miedzynarodowa-stacja-kosmiczna-iss-2011.jpg

In antiquity thousands of miles of this:

http://www.imperiumromanum.edu.pl/Zdj/aqueduct_bridge_1.jpg

Thousands of this:

https://ocdn.eu/pulscms-transforms/1/BClktkpTURBXy80ZTJmNDcyNDY5Y2Q2ZjEyMmFhMmI3OGYzYTI 4NzBmYy5qcGeSlQMAAM0NPM0HcZMFzQMgzQHC

And thousands of these:

http://www.warsawtour.pl/sites/default/files/repozytorium/zdjecia/galeria_zdjec/stare_miasto/rynek_starego_miasta_wiz.panow_.jpg

Billions of this:

http://www.komputerswiat.pl/media/2012/244/2540723/komputer-stacjonarny_468x400.jpg

Hundrets of this for common people:

http://media1.faz.net/ppmedia/aktuell/2467964617/1.3606597/default/das-kolosseum-in-rom-vorbild.jpg

Thousands of miles of this:

http://tomiejsce.pl/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/rzymskie-drogi.png

and this:

https://ocdn.eu/pulscms-transforms/1/86NktkpTURBXy8zMjgwMDRkNDE0NjBmM2Y2NjYwNzE1MjMzN2U 1NDkwNy5qcGeSlQMAcc0D5M0CMJMFzQMCzQGx


So, really, basically
nothing so unusefull
and spectacular like
three pyramids on
the desert...


they are specialists for search and destroy.

We can do that obviously too:

http://ocs-pl.oktawave.com/v1/AUTH_2887234e-384a-4873-8bc5-405211db13a2/spidersweb/2017/03/bomba-atomowa-wideo-1180x502.jpg

But later, after that, we do this:

https://cdn.europosters.eu/image/1300/40059.jpg

[Lucas]

And who is the most genetically similar to Motala hunter-gatherers today?:

http://polishgenes.blogspot.com/2012/04/prehistoric-scandinavians-genetically.html

Also there is I2a1b from Mesolithic Lithuania, Kreutonas, close to Poland:

http://www.ancestraljourneys.org/mesolithicdna.shtml

http://i.imgur.com/KTI8sky.png


From http://polishgenes.blogspot.com/2012/04/prehistoric-scandinavians-genetically.html


But why is it that Poles show higher similarity to these Neolithic Scandinavians than Swedes do? Firstly, it's important to realize that the differences aren't that great. Note, for instance, that Swedes are the second most similar population to the hunter-gatherers after Poles. However, clearly, the data suggests that there had to be other population movements into Scandinavia after the late Neolithic. These also likely affected Poland, but to a lesser degree.

No one yet knows what these were exactly, but if I had to guess, I'd say the Bell Beaker folk of the Copper Age represented one of the major waves. Also, another factor might be that the hunter-gatherers tested by Skoglund et al. belonged to the Pitted Ware culture, which arrived in Scandinavia from the Eastern Baltic.

So no, there weren't proto-Slavs.

[Peterski]

So Zborowski and Zbrojewicz and every other Z...ski/icz are Goth peasants?:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/yNBK3-j--vk/hqdefault.jpg

http://ocdn.eu/images/pulscms/MmE7MDA_/e4e09fcc164ee75952b8e4c400715d59.jpg

http://i64.tinypic.com/erj4hs.jpg

http://cdn12.se.smcloud.net/t/photos/162056/miroslaw_zbrojewicz.jpg

[Rethel]

e hunter-gatherers tested by Skoglund et al. belonged to the Pitted Ware culture, which arrived in Scandinavia from the Eastern Baltic.

And this makes clear, why they did have IE admix.

[Peterski]

So no, there weren't proto-Slavs.

Of course not. They were Non-Indo-Europeans obviously.

[cosmoo]

And who is the most genetically similar to Motala hunter-gatherers today?:

http://polishgenes.blogspot.com/2012/04/prehistoric-scandinavians-genetically.html
Here he goes again... Poles this, Poles that. Poles R1a nobility ruling over I/J peasants, now Poles are at the same time "conquering IE nobility" and "oldest European hunter-gatherers"? Better tell me what you guys aren't...
No, by the time of this article Motala genomes were not yet known (some other HGs were though), and I already explained fallacy behind those "admixutre charts". Face it, you are not functionally close to native Europeans, you do not look like them at all, you do not have any direct line towards them, and you do not descend from them, period.



Also there is I2a1b from Mesolithic Lithuania, Kreutonas, close to Poland:

http://www.ancestraljourneys.org/mesolithicdna.shtml

http://i.imgur.com/KTI8sky.png

And? There is I2a1b in northern France, on Gotland, in Sweden, in Loschbour, in Neolithic Germany and it evidently dominated pre-Bronze Age Britain.
But it's not about that. It's about being I2a1b "Dinaric" (L147.2). And none of those are Dinaric, except Motala12 sample.
And you can clearly see that this sample is most probably I2a1b1, which is "Isles", and it split away from "Disles" (and Dinaric, which is its child-clade) a very long time ago.

[Rethel]

Face it, you are not functionally close to native Europeans, you do not look like them at all, you do not have any direct line towards them, and you do not descend from them, period.

Uff...

[Peterski]

now Poles are at the same time "conquering IE nobility" and "oldest European hunter-gatherers"?

Not at the same time. In Mesolithic times we were hunter-gatherers, in the Bronze Age we were IE nobility. :)

Those were two DIFFERENT TIMES. Remember, that IE nobility was descended mostly from hunter-gatherers.

[cosmoo]

Not at the same time. In Mesolithic times we were hunter-gatherers, in the Bronze Age we were IE nobility. :)

Those were two DIFFERENT TIMES. Remember, that IE nobility was descended mostly from hunter-gatherers.
You know very well what I meant. Of course everyone on Earth was hunter-gatherer back in then, but see, you were in easternmost Europe back in then, and for most of Upper Palaeolithic you weren't even in any part of Europe. What I meant is that you are definitely not related to main European hunter-gatherers (Cro-Magnons) like Motala, to which you have no connection because of aforementioned reasons.

IE "nobility" (lmao) was an intrusive element, not native one.

[Dick]

Here he goes again... Poles this, Poles that. Poles R1a nobility ruling over I/J peasants, now Poles are at the same time "conquering IE nobility" and "oldest European hunter-gatherers"? Better tell me what you guys aren't...
No, by the time of this article Motala genomes were not yet known (some other HGs were though), and I already explained fallacy behind those "admixutre charts". Face it, you are not functionally close to native Europeans, you do not look like them at all, you do not have any direct line towards them, and you do not descend from them, period.



And? There is I2a1b in northern France, on Gotland, in Sweden, in Loschbour, in Neolithic Germany and it evidently dominated pre-Bronze Age Britain.
But it's not about that. It's about being I2a1b "Dinaric" (L147.2). And none of those are Dinaric, except Motala12 sample.
And you can clearly see that this sample is most probably I2a1b1, which is "Isles", and it split away from "Disles" (and Dinaric, which is its child-clade) a very long time ago.
Ancient Greeks were polacks too.

[Peterski]

Ancient Greeks were polacks too.

I have more matching segments with Neolithic Greeks, than do modern Greeks: :)

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?215284-Post-your-matching-segments-with-Kleitos-and-Revenia-Neolithic-Greek-genomes

^^^ That explains a lot:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?201993-Why-did-Ancient-Greeks-look-Slavic&p=4213680&viewfull=1#post4213680

[Rethel]

and for most of Upper Palaeolithic you weren't even in any part of Europe.

If you are talking about this ficional long as hell period of
time, then you also were not here according to the same
thesis for almost a half of that period. So... But of course
it is not a real thing, so, it is meaningless.


What I meant is that you are definitely not related to main European hunter-gatherers (Cro-Magnons)

According to the same thesis on which you are making this claim, everybody was Cro.


like Motala,

Ubfortuinatly for you, Motala has IE autosomal admix.


IE "nobility" (lmao) was an intrusive element,

And this is the point of his!


not native one.

You are not native too, becasue C1 were before you,
and before them - neanderthals. So what's your point?

I don't get it, what is so amazing in being in Europe, when europe did not existed yet, becasue Europe was created by IEs.

It is generally meaningless, but native IE land it is half
of Europe, whole Eastern European Plain, plus some
border lands like Ciscaucasia, Österland, Romania...

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=64803&d=1493623769

[Voskos]

I have more matching segments with Neolithic Greeks, than do modern Greeks: :)

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?215284-Post-your-matching-segments-with-Kleitos-and-Revenia-Neolithic-Greek-genomes

^^^ That explains a lot:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?201993-Why-did-Ancient-Greeks-look-Slavic&p=4213680&viewfull=1#post4213680

all-in who is kurdish has even more. then ancient greeks should look like Kurds by your logic. don't be biased bro

[cosmoo]

Come on, we are running over this exactly same discussion every now and then. It's getting boring to be honest.

If you are talking about this ficional long as hell period of
time, then you also were not here according to the same
thesis for almost a half of that period. So... But of course
it is not a real thing, so, it is meaningless.
"Fictional period"...

Ubfortuinatly for you, Motala has IE autosomal admix.
Since when does Rethel follow autosomal? This is historic event. xD
Both male and female lineage of Motala are not IE, and even going by autosomal, they are still 80%+ native western HGs. Besides, I already explained why autosomal "admixture charts", especially comparisons of modern population with ancient DNA, are (atleast for now) meaningless and inaccurate.

You are not native too, becasue C1 were before you,
and before them - neanderthals. So what's your point?
C1 was not in Europe before I. There were some C1 samples found in Palaeolithic Europe indeed, but so were I-M170 found in same age. It is clear to anyone with brain that C1 is not native, since it can be literally found over half of globe, heck, even in Australian Aborigines, while I-M170 is out of all haplogroups obviously the one most connected to Europe, with percentages outside of it being very weak.
Plus, Cro-Magnon lithic industry is merely a small refinement of Neanderthal Levallois one. Many anthropologists as well, such as Milford Wolpoff, spoken in favor of continuity in Europe.


I don't get it, what is so amazing in being in Europe, when europe did not existed yet, becasue Europe was created by IEs.

It is generally meaningless, but native IE land it is half
of Europe, whole Eastern European Plain, plus some
border lands like Ciscaucasia, Österland, Romania...
Yes, proto-IE did live in eastern Europe, but starting from Late Mesolithic/Neolithic. R1 originates in Asia.

Note that I am not saying they are not European racially. IE are perfectly Europoid/Caucasoid in racial sense. Their ancestors just didn't always live in Europe, that's all.

[Wrong]

all-in who is kurdish has even more. then ancient greeks should look like Kurds by your logic. don't be biased bro
You guys need to take those autosomals & matching segments with a grain of salt.

All of this is autism, to me only haplogroups matter and I stand by my word.

[Voskos]

You guys need to take those autosomals & matching segments with a grain of salt. All of this is autism, to me only haplogroups matter.

i dont take seriously it's just to satisfy curiosity. for reliable results we would need full genome sequencing

[Lek]

You guys need to take those autosomals & matching segments with a grain of salt.

All of this is autism, to me only haplogroups matter and I stand by my word.

They are accurate as fuck, man. You just turned out Tosk, homie.

[Rethel]

Come on, we are running over this exactly same discussion every now and then. It's getting boring to be honest.

Becasue you do not know what you want.


"Fictional period"...

Exactly. 50.000 years from nowhere.


Since when does Rethel follow autosomal? This is historic event. xD

Since always, when it is use there, when it should be. I do not said,
that they were IEs, BUT that they had IE au admix. It suggest, that
if Motalans were in contact with IEs, then they cannot be taken as
racial pattern, and that IEs had to be somewhere around.


I already explained why autosomal "admixture charts", especially comparisons of modern population with ancient DNA, are (atleast for now) meaningless and inaccurate.

I didn't see it.


C1 was not in Europe before I. There were some C1 samples found in Palaeolithic Europe indeed, but so were I-M170 found in same age. It is clear to anyone with brain that C1 is not native, since it can be literally found over half of globe, heck, even in Australian Aborigines,

But in european context it is about two characteristic clades.


while I-M170 is out of all haplogroups obviously the one most connected to Europe, with percentages outside of it being very weak.

Today, where majority of it comes from 2-3 guys who
were lucky to not be slaughtered during R1-honfoglalás.


Plus, Cro-Magnon lithic industry is merely a small refinement of Neanderthal Levallois one. Many anthropologists as well, such as Milford Wolpoff, spoken in favor of continuity in Europe.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cd13tpMUUAAFFJR.jpg


Yes, proto-IE did live in eastern Europe, but starting from Late Mesolithic/Neolithic.

It is not known, but considering the fact, that everything
before Bronze Age is couple of hundrets of years, they
were there since the beginning. Wrong fictional datations
are not mine problem, but even if they first came from
Syberia, it is not problem, becasue we are a tribe, not
poteotes who definy theselves by place of growing.


R1 originates in Asia.

Yes, as all haplogroups. The I too.


Note that I am not saying they are not European racially. IE are perfectly Europoid/Caucasoid in racial sense. Their ancestors just didn't always live in Europe, that's all.

Ok. This is everything what I want :)
But considering the fact, how many R1 are found allready in the eastern Europe
it would be very strange of they would not be locals. Irkutsk seems to be just a
far outpost of some hunters, just like Villabruna and Malataverne. These could be
just lost hunters on the trek after their prey.

[Wrong]

They are accurate as fuck, man. You just turned out Tosk, homie.
You're more Tosk % though.

It's enough with this shit, you are highlighting this like fuck lately.

[Lek]

Dude, youre not Ilyrian.

Funny how me and Ylla got the highest out of everyone. First it didnt work for me, but when i used 40cm it started working so you started complaining that i used only 40. So had it up to 50 to shut your Tosk ass up. And I got more than you there too lol... now youre claiming its bullshit.

When i got highest steppe on k36 than you all bitches you started saying its bullshit there too. Hhahahahaha hahaha hahahaha

Dude, youre jealous im more Gheg and Northern. I even get more northern Albania than you and Montenegro, Kosovo.

[Wrong]

Dude, youre not Ilyrian.

Funny how me and Ylla got the highest out of everyone. First it didnt work for me, but when i used 40cm it started working so you started complaining that i used only 40. So had it up to 50 to shut your Tosk ass up. And I got more than you there too lol... now youre claiming its bullshit.

When i got highest steppe on k36 than you all bitches you started saying its bullshit there too. Hhahahahaha hahaha hahahaha

Dude, youre jealous im more Gheg and Northern. I even get more northern Albania than you and Montenegro, Kosovo.
Yeah good, happy now?

[Era]

Funny how me and Ylla got the highest out of everyone.

Why is that funny? :confused:

[Lek]

YOU LOST THA GAME MADDAFAKKA

[Fustan]

Fucking Anti-J2b2-L283 PH1751 morons need to fuck off.

Self hating nigga.

Keep your tone respectable towards other J2b2s.

[Lek]

Fucking Anti-J2b2-L283 PH1751 morons need to fuck off.

Self hating nigga.

Keep your tone respectable towards other J2b2s.

He's not PH1751, trust me.

[Fustan]

He is a J2b2 Brother. J2b2 PH1751, PH1601, PHANYTHING is brother to me.

And so what if he is 1/4 Ohrid Tosk? You know Ohrid is the Holy city of the Balkans? It's the second Jerusalem? He is 1/4 Holy. Also Tosks had a greater history and impact throughout most of the history. I would not mind having Tosk ancestry.

[Fustan]

I am done with these Autosomal tists. Any subhuman who posts autosomal shit I will remove from friends. Dont pollute my profile.

[Era]

He is a J2b2 Brother. J2b2 PH1751, PH1601, PHANYTHING is brother to me.

And so what if he is 1/4 Ohrid Tosk? You know Ohrid is the Holy city of the Balkans? It's the second Jerusalem? He is 1/4 Holy. Also Tosks had a greater history and impact throughout most of the history. I would not mind having Tosk ancestry.

I've said it, gheghs and greeks both benefited greatly from the tosks. They know how to run a state.

[Wrong]

I've said it, gheghs and greeks both benefited greatly from the tosks. They know how to run a state.
Seems like Arbereshe were mostly Tosk-like aswell, Ghegs exist among them also ofc.

[Fustan]

I've said it, gheghs and greeks both benefited greatly from the tosks. They know how to run a state.

Creator of Greece, while they keep insulting Tosks (Labs specifically) he just sits in his boat and recalls how he created their Debtridden shithole:

http://www.albanianhistory.net/1812_Holland/AH1812_1alipasha_gr.jpg

[Wrong]

There is a chance that I have the forefather of those clades. The J2b2-L283 sample was afterall Neolithic + Steppe with tiny little WHG(1-2%).

[Fustan]

I've said it, gheghs and greeks both benefited greatly from the tosks. They know how to run a state.

Ghegs were ruled by Tosks?

[Era]

Seems like Arbereshe were mostly Tosk-like aswell, Ghegs exist among them also ofc.

I've met one Arbereshe in Rome who spoke fluent Albanian. When I say fluent, like he lived all his life in Albania. He said he was from Morea. So I go, oh Greece, yeah now he said, it was Albania back then.

[Fustan]

I've met one Arbereshe in Rome who spoke fluent Albanian. When I say fluent, like he lived all his life in Albania. He said he was from Morea. So I go, oh Greece, yeah now he said, it was Albania back then.

Today it is Orthodox Anatolian.

[Era]

Ghegs were ruled by Tosks?

Is that a trick question :D

[Fustan]

Is that a trick question :D

Hmm..

http://www.enverhoxha.info/_img/enver-hoxha-photo.jpg

[Lek]

He is a J2b2 Brother. J2b2 PH1751, PH1601, PHANYTHING is brother to me.

And so what if he is 1/4 Ohrid Tosk? You know Ohrid is the Holy city of the Balkans? It's the second Jerusalem? He is 1/4 Holy. Also Tosks had a greater history and impact throughout most of the history. I would not mind having Tosk ancestry.

Only place that is holy for me is this place, and one of the villages that had the largest impact on Albanian history, and where im maternally from

https://journeyaroundtheglobe.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/img_6726.jpg

So I guess that makes me holy.

And the region that had impact the most throughout Kosovos history, together with its villages, and Albanian history itself, is this place

http://mprofaca.cro.net/drenicamap.jpg


And it is the most holy area in the whole Balkans. And where Im from which makes me even more holy. It is the Jerusalem of the Balkans. The list of warriors a village alone this place has bred is endless.


I see Drenicaks as brothers and not what ydna they carry or what they get on their autosomal or what they look like.. neither does it count having ancestry from there but you gotta be from there.

Being Tosk is not an insult, he seems to take it as such.

[Lek]

I've met one Arbereshe in Rome who spoke fluent Albanian. When I say fluent, like he lived all his life in Albania. He said he was from Morea. So I go, oh Greece, yeah now he said, it was Albania back then.

Yeah. Now youre all from the south as even your dna studies suggested that you came from south instead of us actually being slavs... but when i suggested this you got all butthurt. You plot unusual south and you match really Southern areas like south italy, greece etc. so do some others here but youre even more south with that limaj.. ... while more northern albos seem similar to northern italy which is why they plot more north. But youre all too low IQ to get this.. where they plot is not even that north. Rather youre very south, south of iberians who you refer to as moor. I guess you didnt turn out as Ilirian as you wanted but claimed we must have some foreign admix lmao.. Albanians who are more south than me are even more foreign admixed.

Mr. Olive picker here doesnt plot notth because of foreign ancestry, which is not more than some others here, and even if taken away hed still plot there as it would barely change.. rather he plots so north because he gets almost an 90% of north italy.... it is natural without even foreign admixture...

You need a lot of Northern foreign admix to get pulled really north if you think the Southern ones make up a pure cluster, it would show on test to get pulled that far... how can you not get this.

Now this is the part youre gonna tell me none of you give a fuck, well let me save you all that part. But in reality you actually do.

As for Arbereshe, who gives a shit? I match one and he came from Malsia... a bunch of migrants that never returned back to their lands and had minimal impact on us.

You worship as usual the weirdest shit and even bragging about getting conquered by romans, a people who turned you into slaves and a bunch of latin speakers produced, only to collapse like a crumbling empire and get invaded by the slavs and avars and to turn the Balkans into the shithole it would eventually become...

[Era]

I'm hoping you'll get bored with this and stop repeating the same things over and over :)

[Laberia]

Ghegs were ruled by Tosks?
Yes, Ahmet Zogu, lol.

[Laberia]

Yeah. Now youre all from the south as even your dna studies suggested that you came from south instead of us actually being slavs... but when i suggested this you got all butthurt. You plot unusual south and you match really Southern areas like south italy, greece etc. so do some others here but youre even more south with that limaj.. ... while more northern albos seem similar to northern italy which is why they plot more north. But youre all too low IQ to get this.. where they plot is not even that north. Rather youre very south, south of iberians who you refer to as moor. I guess you didnt turn out as Ilirian as you wanted but claimed we must have some foreign admix lmao.. Albanians who are more south than me are even more foreign admixed.

Mr. Olive picker here doesnt plot notth because of foreign ancestry, which is not more than some others here, and even if taken away hed still plot there as it would barely change.. rather he plots so north because he gets almost an 90% of north italy.... it is natural without even foreign admixture...

You need a lot of Northern foreign admix to get pulled really north if you think the Southern ones make up a pure cluster, it would show on test to get pulled that far... how can you not get this.

Now this is the part youre gonna tell me none of you give a fuck, well let me save you all that part. But in reality you actually do.

As for Arbereshe, who gives a shit? I match one and he came from Malsia... a bunch of migrants that never returned back to their lands and had minimal impact on us.

You worship as usual the weirdest shit and even bragging about getting conquered by romans, a people who turned you into slaves and a bunch of latin speakers produced, only to collapse like a crumbling empire and get invaded by the slavs and avars and to turn the Balkans into the shithole it would eventually become...

I feel sorry for you. You are not lucky. HAhahaahahahahaaha

[Laberia]

I've met one Arbereshe in Rome who spoke fluent Albanian. When I say fluent, like he lived all his life in Albania. He said he was from Morea. So I go, oh Greece, yeah now he said, it was Albania back then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QoxLUAHBtE
Thanas Moraiti - Oj More Oj Arberi

[Kelmendasi]

Yes, Ahmet Zogu, lol.
Ahmet Zogu was a Gheg from Dibra. Although Enver Hoxha was a Tosk and he did(the communist party) rule over all Albanians

[Laberia]

Ahmet Zogu was a Gheg from Dibra. Although Enver Hoxha was a Tosk and he did(the communist party) rule over all Albanians

Jo, ishte Geg nga Mati. Une po beja shaka. Ishte nga Emathia......si edhe ca te tjere perpara tij.

[Era]

Ahmet Zogu was a Gheg from Dibra. Although Enver Hoxha was a Tosk and he did(the communist party) rule over all Albanians

Hoxha has said that his family's distant origins (father's line) were actually from the North. Kukesi if Im not mistaken.

[Kelmendasi]

Hoxha has said that his family's distant origins (father's line) were actually from the North. Kukesi if Im not mistaken.
Really? I'm sure he had some prejudice to Ghegs but that might just be because of their anti-Communist views

[Fustan]

Hoxha has said that his family's distant origins (father's line) were actually from the North. Kukesi if Im not mistaken.

Sad if true..

[Kelmendasi]

Jo, ishte Geg nga Mati. Une po beja shaka. Ishte nga Emathia......si edhe ca te tjere perpara tij.
Yh I meant the Dibra county which includes Mati lol

[Laberia]

Hoxha has said that his family's distant origins (father's line) were actually from the North. Kukesi if Im not mistaken.

Yes, he pretended if i am not wrong that his old surname was Kola, i don`t know about Kukes. It was just propaganda.

[Kelmendasi]

Genetiker is analysing the Ydna subclades of the samples from the paper on southeastern Europe. https://genetiker.wordpress.com/2018/02/21/y-snp-calls-from-ancient-southeastern-europe/. The gold man from the Varna culture in Bulgaria has turned out to be T-M184. Also the sample from Epipaleolithic France that was believed to be J has actually turned out to be I2-M438. The proto-Illyrian sample from Bronze Age Dalmatia belongs to J2b2>L283>Z628>Z2507>Y15058* going by the raw data which was released and then analysed by a member of the Albanian bloodlines project

[Jana]

Genetiker is analysing the Ydna subclades of the samples from the paper on southeastern Europe. https://genetiker.wordpress.com/2018/02/21/y-snp-calls-from-ancient-southeastern-europe/. The gold man from the Varna culture in Bulgaria has turned out to be T-M184. Also the sample from Epipaleolithic France that was believed to be J has actually turned out to be I2-M438. The proto-Illyrian sample from Bronze Age Dalmatia belongs to J2b2>L283>Z628>Z2507>Y15058* going by the raw data which was released and then analysed by a member of the Albanian bloodlines project

how come R1b in these samples is V88 ? Isn't that African subclade ? Pretty interesting.
Do you know why no autosomal wasn't released from paper ?

[Kelmendasi]

how come R1b in these samples is V88 ? Isn't that African subclade ? Pretty interesting.
Do you know why no autosomal wasn't released from paper ?
R1b-V88 seems to be the clade of R1b that was in Europe before Steppe people(M269) migrated. It is also found in west Asia so it probably came into Europe via that route. Yh it's a shame that autosomal hasn't been fully released yet. The study is now on Nature https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25778

[Rethel]

R1b-V88 seems to be the clade of R1b that was in Europe before Steppe people(M269) migrated. It is also found in west Asia so it probably came into Europe via that route. Yh it's a shame that autosomal hasn't been fully released yet. The study is now on Nature https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25778

I allready showed it here: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?202601-INDOEUROPEICS-everything-about-Indoeuropeans-(what-doesn-t-fit-to-other-threads)&p=4982607&viewfull=1#post4982607

But it was obvious always. I can;t be amazed enaugh, how you all
are always amazed by such things... it is enaugh to think a bit...

[Kelmendasi]

2 samples from Neolithic Austria have been confirmed as J2a-Z6048. This could confirm that J2 lineages did come with Neolithic migrations into Europe

[Rethel]

2 samples from Neolithic Austria have been confirmed as J2a-Z6048. This could confirm that J2 lineages did come with Neolithic migrations into Europe

Surely some did, but as an appendix to G2 people.
Probably also were there some T, J1, E and similar.
But not on their own. Just like Poles in Jamestown.
This is why I did not include them into my 7 tribes
of Europe thread - for butthurtness of many.

[MercifulServant]

Yes, G2a was high in parts of Europe for awhile back then, but others invaded and attacked them from all directions.

Some of us are still alive :)