View Full Version : K36 Ancient: where did your ancestors live ~5000 years ago
Peterski
06-27-2017, 10:17 PM
Cniva:
1) Without CHG included in comparison:
http://i.imgur.com/QowsyjZ.png
2) With CHG added to comparison too:
http://i.imgur.com/PCKjE0K.png
Dibran
06-28-2017, 12:26 AM
Cniva:
1) Without CHG included in comparison:
http://i.imgur.com/QowsyjZ.png
2) With CHG added to comparison too:
http://i.imgur.com/PCKjE0K.png
Could you please do mine and my fathers? Responded the page prior with our k36
War Chef
06-28-2017, 02:10 AM
So Albanians built stone hendge huh?
Dibran
06-28-2017, 02:31 AM
So Albanians built stone hendge huh?
Huh? Who said that lol
Can you do more of these?
Peterski
07-08-2017, 10:21 PM
For people who wonder why do they score so much of Steppe.
Here are all of my Steppe reference samples:
1) Copper Age Steppe:
Kit number / ancient sample
M828815 / Yamnaya-RISE552
M343758 / Yamnaya-I0443
F999968 / Yamnaya-RISE548
F999942 / Afanasievo-RISE509
M766878 / Poltavka-I0440
F999946 / Catacomb-RISE552
M828784 / Afanasievo-RISE511
M655536 / Yamnaya-I0231
2) Bronze Age Steppe:
Kit number / ancient sample
M690970 / Sintashta-RISE386
M630274 / Poltavka-I0432
M370663 / Potapovka-I0419
M608028 / Andronovo-RISE505
M277797 / Sintashta-RISE395
M328175 / Srubnaya-I0423
F999947 / Andronovo-RISE500
M472767 / Srubnaya-I0232
F999961 / Andronovo-RISE503
M217196 / Srubnaya-I0430
I used both Copper and Bronze Age samples.
Could u do me too? :p
If you're willing to do more.
Population
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian 0.73
Basque 2.52
Central_African -
Central_Euro 7.94
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 3.61
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 3.58
East_Med 7.26
Eastern_Euro 3.44
Fennoscandian 8.61
French 6.51
Iberian 10.93
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 6.97
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 11.30
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 15.65
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian 3.60
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 2.86
West_African -
West_Caucasian 1.35
West_Med 3.13
Dibran
07-08-2017, 10:57 PM
For people who wonder why do they score so much of Steppe.
Here are all of my Steppe reference samples:
1) Copper Age Steppe:
Kit number / ancient sample
M828815 / Yamnaya-RISE552
M343758 / Yamnaya-I0443
F999968 / Yamnaya-RISE548
F999942 / Afanasievo-RISE509
M766878 / Poltavka-I0440
F999946 / Catacomb-RISE552
M828784 / Afanasievo-RISE511
M655536 / Yamnaya-I0231
2) Bronze Age Steppe:
Kit number / ancient sample
M690970 / Sintashta-RISE386
M630274 / Poltavka-I0432
M370663 / Potapovka-I0419
M608028 / Andronovo-RISE505
M277797 / Sintashta-RISE395
M328175 / Srubnaya-I0423
F999947 / Andronovo-RISE500
M472767 / Srubnaya-I0232
F999961 / Andronovo-RISE503
M217196 / Srubnaya-I0430
I used both Copper and Bronze Age samples.
could you pleeease do this calculator for me and my father?
here are our results:
Me:
Population
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian 2.41
Basque 2.74
Central_African -
Central_Euro 4.97
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 7.48
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 6.10
East_Med 10.53
Eastern_Euro 4.01
Fennoscandian -
French -
Iberian 10.91
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 30.69
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 3.12
North_African -
North_Atlantic 3.38
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea -
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 5.47
West_Med 8.16
Father:
Population
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian 2.61
Basque 1.18
Central_African -
Central_Euro 2.85
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 8.08
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 6.96
East_Med 11.54
Eastern_Euro 3.49
Fennoscandian -
French 1.36
Iberian 8.35
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 34.59
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 6.13
North_African -
North_Atlantic 2.20
North_Caucasian 2.76
North_Sea -
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 1.27
West_Med 6.60
For people who wonder why do they score so much of Steppe.
Here are all of my Steppe reference samples:
1) Copper Age Steppe:
Kit number / ancient sample
M828815 / Yamnaya-RISE552
M343758 / Yamnaya-I0443
F999968 / Yamnaya-RISE548
F999942 / Afanasievo-RISE509
M766878 / Poltavka-I0440
F999946 / Catacomb-RISE552
M828784 / Afanasievo-RISE511
M655536 / Yamnaya-I0231
2) Bronze Age Steppe:
Kit number / ancient sample
M690970 / Sintashta-RISE386
M630274 / Poltavka-I0432
M370663 / Potapovka-I0419
M608028 / Andronovo-RISE505
M277797 / Sintashta-RISE395
M328175 / Srubnaya-I0423
F999947 / Andronovo-RISE500
M472767 / Srubnaya-I0232
F999961 / Andronovo-RISE503
M217196 / Srubnaya-I0430
I used both Copper and Bronze Age samples.
Can you do some more Albanians? And do Nmonte?
Btw, how accurate is the Eurogenes steppe compared to this and what samples does that calc use if you know?
Wrong
07-09-2017, 08:59 PM
Is this stating those North-East Euros who get 80-95% Steppe are THAT identical to the Ancient samples?
Sounds like pure bullshit.
Is this stating those North-East Euros who get 80-95% Steppe are THAT identical to the Ancient samples?
Sounds like pure bullshit.
I think a lot of WHG is included as I ran those steppe kits he posted in some calcs and they score shitloads of WHG/Hunter Gatherer
Obe of the bronze age steppes:
Eurogenes hunter gatherer vs farmer:
Population
Anatolian Farmer 18.75
Baltic Hunter Gatherer 66.54
Middle Eastern Herder -
East Asian Farmer -
South American Hunter Gatherer 0.49
South Asian Hunter Gatherer -
North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer -
East African Pastoralist -
Oceanian Hunter Gatherer -
Mediterranean Farmer 12.45
Pygmy Hunter Gatherer -
Bantu Farmer 1.77
On that mdlp they got a lot of north east euro which says is WHG and a lot of steppe... and some minor neolithic.. of course what you get on different calcs also depends on what samples these calcs use which could explain the different results among some of us.
Same bronze age steppe ran through puntdnal k12 ancient
Population
Sub-Saharan -
Amerindian 0.11
South_Asian -
Near_East -
Siberian -
European_HG 44.10
Caucasus_HG 34.33
South_African_HG -
Anatolian_NF 21.46
East_Asian -
Oceanian -
Beringian -
The Illyrian Warrior
07-09-2017, 09:26 PM
So Albanians built stone hendge huh?
didn't you already know that we wuz building stone hendge n' shiet. :D
Heres another one from puntdnal k10 ancient, steppe bronze age:
Population
ASI -
Sub-Saharan -
Oceanian -
Beringian -
ENF 8.92
CHG 36.48
Siberian -
E_Asian -
WHG 54.60
Amerindian -
Kit nr: M690970
Wrong
07-09-2017, 09:36 PM
Heres another one from puntdnal k10 ancient, steppe bronze age:
Population
ASI -
Sub-Saharan -
Oceanian -
Beringian -
ENF 8.92
CHG 36.48
Siberian -
E_Asian -
WHG 54.60
Amerindian -
Kit nr: M690970
Is the J2b2-L283 sample kit there yet?
Expecting alot of Steppe DNA as it also had Steppe mtDNA.
Is the J2b2-L283 sample kit there yet?
Expecting alot of Steppe DNA as it also had Steppe mtDNA.
Idk.. im using those steppe samples litvin posted here that he used in this calc
I was told by kelmendasi or i read he said it scored 30% steppe, whg and some neolithic but idk what calc
I think the more samples the better calc. Those samples litvin posted seem quite enough to me.
Wrong
07-09-2017, 09:41 PM
Idk.. im using those steppe samples litvin posted here that he used in this calc
I was told by kelmendasi or i read he said it scored 30% steppe, whg and some neolithic but idk what calc
I think the more samples the better calc. Those samples litvin posted seem quite enough to me.
The oldest J2b2-L283 sample recovered among ancient DNA samples is a Late Bronze Age (1700-1500 BCE) individual from southern Croatia (Mathieson et al. 2017 (http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616)). His genome possessed about 30% of Steppe admixture and 15% of Eastern Hunter-Gatherer, which suggest a recent arrival from the Steppe. He was accompanied by a woman with similar admixtures, and both possessed typical Pontic-Caspian Steppe mtDNA (I1a1 (http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_I_mtDNA.shtml) and W3a (http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_W_mtDNA.shtml)). The timing, location and admixtures of these samples fit with the Illyrian colonisation of the Dinaric Alps, which is thought to have taken place between 1600 and 1100 BCE.
The oldest J2b2-L283 sample recovered among ancient DNA samples is a Late Bronze Age (1700-1500 BCE) individual from southern Croatia (Mathieson et al. 2017 (http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616)). His genome possessed about 30% of Steppe admixture and 15% of Eastern Hunter-Gatherer, which suggest a recent arrival from the Steppe. He was accompanied by a woman with similar admixtures, and both possessed typical Pontic-Caspian Steppe mtDNA (I1a1 (http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_I_mtDNA.shtml) and W3a (http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_W_mtDNA.shtml)). The timing, location and admixtures of these samples fit with the Illyrian colonisation of the Dinaric Alps, which is thought to have taken place between 1600 and 1100 BCE.
Yeah, now I remember. What did they use to measure this?
And makes them conclude its a recent arrival.
Wrong
07-09-2017, 09:46 PM
Yeah, now I remember. What did they use to measure this?
No idea, Maciamo from Eupedia wrote it. I want to know the source so they can send us the Gedmatch kit numbers of the male and female samples.
They were similar autosomally but not siblings, so they were some kind of elite for sure.
Dominicanese
07-09-2017, 09:46 PM
Population
Amerindian 8.16
Arabian 2.57
Armenian -
Basque 3.89
Central_African 0.20
Central_Euro 0.82
East_African 4.77
East_Asian -
East_Balkan -
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 1.46
East_Med 3.23
Eastern_Euro 3.94
Fennoscandian 0.28
French 6.24
Iberian 17.27
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 8.23
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African 3.71
North_Atlantic 3.17
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 4.33
Northeast_African 0.47
Oceanian -
Omotic 0.11
Pygmy 1.30
Siberian 1.18
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian 0.13
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African 19.54
West_Caucasian 2.09
West_Med 2.91
The Illyrian Warrior
07-09-2017, 09:50 PM
No idea, Maciamo from Eupedia wrote it. I want to know the source so they can send us the Gedmatch kit numbers of the male and female samples.
They were similar autosomally but not siblings, so they were some kind of elite for sure.
How do you know they were part of elite?
Wrong
07-09-2017, 09:52 PM
How do you know they were part of elite?
The burial material found indicates it. May have been some kind of Ancient royalty.
Thanas Django
08-04-2017, 07:17 PM
Greek Cypriot here
Thank you in advance kind sir
Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 6.25
Armenian 8.04
Basque 0.77
Central_African -
Central_Euro -
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 4.36
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro -
East_Med 25.47
Eastern_Euro -
Fennoscandian -
French 0.69
Iberian 3.33
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 19.52
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 17.17
North_African -
North_Atlantic -
North_Caucasian 3.69
North_Sea -
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 5.47
West_Med 5.25
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