Trump's new immigration bill favors white migrants.

[blondbeast]

Asia will become a central force in global science, this is inevitable. The only reason why it wasn't before in the modern era was because their societies were sleeping. Japan was the first to "awaken", then South Korea and the small ethno Chinese states such as Taiwan, HK, Singapore. Now the monstrous Asian empire of China is awakening and it's about to shake the world. My point in bringing that up is that Chinese immigrants generally bring a great deal of talent and capital with them, and they produce a great deal in their new societies as well. This will increasingly be the case as China industrializes and the general quality of its population improves rapidly.

This was going to happen regardless if the US stays competitive or falls into decline. The fact is that the US is still far superior to Asia in many facets of its society, and most likely will remain superior in many facets and in per capita terms. But due to the enormous gravitational pull of Asia's massive population (unmatched by any other continent) and powerful vibrancy, all of these factors are centering Asia in the middle of the global scientific world like a powerful magnet.

Regarding the future of the US, I do believe that increasingly, the population will integrate. Just like in the past when various European populations melded into a general White identity, I do believe that over generations, the different minority groups and Whites will continually integrate into a general American identity.

i believe him because he is asian.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

obviously a sock. not me

likely a mod since they got annoyed with you. And just found a fun way to troll you a bit.

[zhaoyun]

LOL sorry but this is 100% false east Asians here in America mostly vote Democrat and are usually pro multicultural and pro immigration. Lol if you think the Chinese and Koreans here identify with White America. most of them want more Latino immigration and more Asian numbers too.

Couldn't you say the same for South Asians? Because most vote Democrat as well?

Most East Asians are actually politically pretty apathetic. There is also a large minority of Republicans as well, I know a good many Chinese Republicans.

[zhaoyun]

i believe him because he is asian.

GOOD

[Kamal900]

Asia will become a central force in global science, this is inevitable. The only reason why it wasn't before in the modern era was because their societies were sleeping. Japan was the first to "awaken", then South Korea and the small ethno Chinese states such as Taiwan, HK, Singapore. Now the monstrous Asian empire of China is awakening and it's about to shake the world. My point in bringing that up is that Chinese immigrants generally bring a great deal of talent and capital with them, and they produce a great deal in their new societies as well. This will increasingly be the case as China industrializes and the general quality of its population improves rapidly.

This was going to happen regardless if the US stays competitive or falls into decline. The fact is that the US is still far superior to Asia in many facets of its society, and most likely will remain superior in many facets and in per capita terms. But due to the enormous gravitational pull of Asia's massive population (unmatched by any other continent) and powerful vibrancy, all of these factors are centering Asia in the middle of the global scientific world like a powerful magnet.

Regarding the future of the US, I do believe that increasingly, the population will integrate. Just like in the past when various European populations melded into a general White identity, I do believe that over generations, the different minority groups and Whites will continually integrate into a general American identity.

Countries like the UAE are looking at the east for the future, not the west, lol.

[zhaoyun]

Countries like the UAE are looking at the east for the future, not the west, lol.

All of Eurasia is. It's just a fact. Whenever I go to China, I am usually overwhelmed with the scale and pace of change. The entire country is a construction site.

[Argentano]

Today Trump signed a new law for immgirants coming to US. They have to speak fluent english.
This favors whites IMO and im pretty sure Trump has gotten this idea from An Coulter who has been speaking consistently in favor of european migrants instead of Mexicans South Americans Asians and Africans which according to her have been favored while European immigrants have been very low in numbers.
This law is twisted but cleverly racist imo. Legal immigrants are mostly families with kids which will qualify mostly european migrants since they teach their kids english at early age.
The law is also rude but blunt, an immigrant has to be interviewed proving he/she is smarter than the average american citizen on top of speaking fluent english.

Basically Trump wants to make america white or whiter.

Thats fair, even if that makes USA whiter. Obviously people speaking fluent english will be better educated and less of a burden for the country. That restriction is good.

Something unfair would be to say that a white retard is more desired than a black genius but this is completely different. They are actually favoring the immigration of educated people that maybe happen to be whiter.

[Fractal]

likely a mod since they got annoyed with you. And just found a fun way to troll you a bit.

haha yes

[blondbeast]

haha yes

What's so funny? Is this funny? Nope.

During WW 2, one of the Scottish Highlander officers asked a soldier play the bagpipes during the Normandy invasion, as they were going ashore, while being shot at by the Germans. He at first objected, saying that it was against the British Army rules. The officer said in so many word that we are Scots, we don' t need to follow their rules. The Germans later said they didn't shoot the guy as they thought he must be crazy. look it up yourself...if you doubt the story...easy to find.

[EL_BARBARO]

No, its because they have American citizenship and they can return at any time they want.

In America they have flushing toilets.. which is not always the case in Spain btw!! Didnt you claim nobody defecates outside in Spain? It seems to be quite common?

No defecating! Spanish town posts graphic signs warning pilgrims not to use historic Way of St James as a public toilet
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-3046870/Spanish-town-Lastres-posts-graphic-signs-warning-pilgrims-not-use-historic-Way-St-James-public-toilet.html

A Spanish town on the Camino de Santiago pilgrimage route is warning pilgrims and other visitors to stop defecating along the famous path.
Graphic signs telling visitors not to stop for a poo break during their walk to the holy city of Santiago de Compostela, in north-western Spain, have been erected in the municipality of Lastres.
But no one knows who put up the signs, which show a squatting figure defecating within a red circle with a diagonal line across it.
In Lastres, angry residents have complained about pilgrims defecating outside their homes. The signs are posted next to warnings that urge people not to litter.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/04/20/12/27C7D1CC00000578-3046870-image-a-20_1429528360537.jpg


Yeah pilgrims walking through the countryside, especially foreigners like you. I'd bet they are third-worlders like you.

A very different matter they're the millions and millions of Injuns, like you, shitting in the middle of the streets in towns.

https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1448/89/1448892838815.png


I haven't denied anybody to defecate outside in Spain. Extremely rare, perhaps some drunkard Gypsy can do it. Gypsies, those whose ancestors are you, the Injuns. You know, culture and all that.

On the real, mickey mouse, try harder. You look ridiculous and quite laughable.

I suppose you'll have quit in England your ancestral habit to shit in the middle of the streets, won't you?

On the other hand, independently of having or not having citizenship, those young people can return again to USA, due to the immensely huge and gigantic septic tank India is. Please don't deny. That is worldwide known.

[Fractal]

What's so funny? Is this funny? Nope.

During WW 2, one of the Scottish Highlander officers asked a soldier play the bagpipes during the Normandy invasion, as they were going ashore, while being shot at by the Germans. He at first objected, saying that it was against the British Army rules. The officer said in so many word that we are Scots, we don' t need to follow their rules. The Germans later said they didn't shoot the guy as they thought he must be crazy. look it up yourself...if you doubt the story...easy to find.

You were a Russian Corded Ware Aryan yesterday, now you're Scottish highlander. The Scots were considered a martial race by the Brits.

[blondbeast]

You were a Russian Corded Ware Aryan yesterday, now you're Scottish highlander. The Scots were considered a martial race by the Brits.

I never took martial arts but I know how to swing a baseball bat.

[Fractal]

Yeah pilgrims walking through the countryside, especially foreigners like you. I'd bet they are third-worlders like you.

A very different matter they're the millions and millions of Injuns, like you, shitting in the middle of the streets in towns.

https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1448/89/1448892838815.png


I haven't deny anybody defecate outside in Spain. Extremely rare, perhaps some drunkard Gypsy can do it. Gypsies, whose ancestors are you, the Injuns. You know, culture and all that.

On the real, mickey mouse, try harder. You look ridiculous and quite laughable.

I suppose you'll have quit in England your ancestral habit to shit in the middle of the streets, won't you?

On the other hand, independently of having or not having citizenship, those young people can return again to USA, due to the immensely huge and gigantic septic tank India is. Please don't deny. That is worldwide known.

Injuns are far more respected here in the USA than you Latin spics are. If we're Gypsies, then you're just a Spic. Remember that Alejandro.

[Fractal]

I never took martial arts but I know how to swing a baseball bat.

golf clubs are even better (since you're Scottish), or blackjacks and canes.

[blondbeast]

golf clubs are even better (since you're Scottish), or blackjacks and canes.

I'm a Dodgers fan


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[EL_BARBARO]

Injuns are far more respected here in the USA than you Latin spics are. If we're Gypsies, then you're just a Spic. Remember that Alejandro.


I am not an immigrant in America. I am in my own country. I live, work and enjoy in my own country.

Very few Spaniards are over there. therefore you don't know them and, obviously, you're lying, as it is already habitual in you, and in correlation with your Gypsy-like behaviour. Not by accident, Gypsies' home land is India as well. Exactly your home land, too.

Don't forget, my brownish friend, between you and me, you are the only immigrant in the USA.

And according to the news, yes, you're very beloved in the USA, so so much that the US President administration in Washinton DC wants to stop you to enter in the USA and is kicking out an inmense amount of Injuns like you.

Deal with it.

[Fractal]

........

There are plenty of White Hispanics here. Isleno is one example, whether they are pure Iberian is another story.

[Kamal900]

There are plenty of White Hispanics here. Isleno is one example, whether they are pure Iberian is another story.

I wouldn't say that White Hispanics in America are representatives to the overall Hispanic Americans in the country, and most of the Hispanics in the country usually are Mestizos(they genetically vary) and Amerindians(especially the ones from central American countries) with some coming from the Caribbean.

[EL_BARBARO]

There are plenty of White Hispanics here. Isleno is one example, whether they are pure Iberian is another story.


Isleño lives in Louisiana, in St. Bernard Parish, a historical place over there.

Isleño is an American, as well as his family and relatives and all his ancestors since more than 200 years ago.

Isleño is not an Immigrant. Just the opposite, Isleño and his ancestors helped to birth America, to build America.

You, in constract, have not helped in nothing. You have come to America to take advantadge of a rich country, like a parasite.

You are an immigrant. Isleño is an American, a true old American.

[Kamal900]

Isleño lives in Louisiana, in St. Bernard Parish, a historical place over there.

Isleño is an American, as well as his family and relatives and all his ancestors since more than 200 years ago.

Isleño is not an Immigrant. Just the opposite, Isleño and his ancestors helped to birth America, to build America.

You, in constract, have not helped in nothing. You have come to America to take advantadge of a rich country, like a parasite.

You are an immigrant. Isleño is an American, a true old American.

Hmm, being an American is a national identity, and anyone can be one if he/she got the American citizenship. Basically, all the non-Amerindians in the country are immigrants.

[Fractal]

.........

Indians are not parasitical, you stupid low IQ delusional moron. The definition of a parasite is an immigrant who feeds off of the taxpayer and collects the most welfare benefits, in which case it's Hispanics. Indian-Americans are highly wealthy and therefore pay the most taxes

And sorry but a true American is an Anglo/WASP or Native American. Spanish speaking Latins are not considered the true Americans.

[EL_BARBARO]

Indians are not parasitical, you stupid low IQ delusional moron. The definition of a parasite is an immigrant who feeds off of the taxpayer and collects the most welfare benefits, in which case it's Hispanics. Indian-Americans are highly wealthy and therefore pay the most taxes

And sorry but a true American is an Anglo/WASP or Native American. Spanish speaking Latins are not considered the true Americans.


You are indeed Parasites, given that you are taking advantage of a so rich economy of a different country as yours. You are making to lower the wages over there and you have created a huge bag of unemployment.

About Isleño. Wait for him and tell him straight all your gypsy BS.

I remember you I'm not an Immigrant in the US like you. I live, work and enjoy in my own country. I haven't gone to another different country to rob the natives jobs.

[Fractal]

stupid spic Barbaro, go attend a Klan rally if you think you Hispanics are considered true Americans :rotfl:

http://images.slideplayer.com/27/9243610/slides/slide_5.jpg

https://logatfer.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/4679135456_458b9ff204_z.jpg

[RMuller]

stupid spic Barbaro, go attend a Klan rally if you think you Hispanics are considered true Americans :rotfl:

http://images.slideplayer.com/27/9243610/slides/slide_5.jpg

https://logatfer.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/4679135456_458b9ff204_z.jpg

Indians weren't allowed to allowed to became citizens until 1955. Indians piggy backed off the black civil rights movement.:rotfl::rotfl::cheer_icoon::rotfl::rotfl: :rotfl:

[RMuller]

Injuns are far more respected here in the USA than you Latin spics are. If we're Gypsies, then you're just a Spic. Remember that Alejandro.

Indian men dead last in the dating scene and the first ones shot in bars.:victory0::clap::cheer_icoon::rotfl::cheer_ic oon::rotfl:

http://i.imgur.com/5ac3epw.png


Kansas bar shooter who shot dead Indian engineer
www.independent.co.uk › News › World › Americas

Man shouting 'get out of my country' shoots dead Indian engineer ...
www.independent.co.uk › News › World › Americas

Racist gunman who shot two Indian men in a Kansas bar... - Daily Mail

Kansas man shouting 'get out of my country' shoots, kills man from India
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/...man...man...India.../3521487917970/

http://static.dnaindia.com/sites/default/files/styles/half/public/2017/02/26/551709-551667-kansas-shooting-victim-and-accused.jpg

[Fractal]

........

You live in a barrio so you wouldn't know anything about the dating scenes in upper income or affluent suburbs. And by the way that guy wasn't even a racist neo nazi, klansmen or anything just some ex-navy veteran with a mental disorder. And a WHITE bystander was also injured trying to defend the Indian.

Shall we pull up stories of you mestizos getting beaten by Neo-Nazi skinheads who easily hate you more than they do Indians?

[EL_BARBARO]

stupid spic Barbaro, go attend a Klan rally if you think you Hispanics are considered true Americans :rotfl:

http://images.slideplayer.com/27/9243610/slides/slide_5.jpg

https://logatfer.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/4679135456_458b9ff204_z.jpg


Brain-damaged stupid idiotic Indian. I talk about Isleño, you piece of filth. You started talking about him, moron.

Go back home, brownish parasite.

[Fractal]

Brain-damaged stupid idiotic Indian. I talk about Isleño, you piece of filth. You started talking about him, moron.

Go back home, brownish parasite.

asshole. This is my home. Almaden Valley-95120. An area your spic southern european ass could never afford to breath in

[EL_BARBARO]

asshole. This is my home. Almaden Valley-95120. An area your spic southern european ass could never afford to breath in


Piece of filth. That is not your home. Precisely you told you didn't feel American (past 4th July). Don't come now saying just the opposite, Gypsy.

I have no intention to migrate like a plague of grasshoppers like you. I stay in my country, with my own people, enjoying my life and not in a garage; unlike you, an injun immigrant in a absolutely different country as his, hidden in a garage, hated by the natives of this country and even the other immigrants in that country.

Deal with that, miserable.

[turbosat]

Indians are not parasitical, you stupid low IQ delusional moron. The definition of a parasite is an immigrant who feeds off of the taxpayer and collects the most welfare benefits, in which case it's Hispanics. Indian-Americans are highly wealthy and therefore pay the most taxes

And sorry but a true American is an Anglo/WASP or Native American. Spanish speaking Latins are not considered the true Americans.

You are correct, most people in the world consider Anglo/WASP or Native American to be true Americans. Latinos, Mexicans and Spaniards are never considered true Americans by rest of the world or by Anglo-Americans and NW Euro origin Americans.

[EL_BARBARO]

You are correct, most people in the world consider Anglo/WASP or Native American to be true Americans. Latinos, Mexicans and Spaniards are never considered true Americans by rest of the world.


turbosat: Fractal's parrot. He repeats whatever BS he tells....

[turbosat]

turbosat: Fractal's parrot. He repeats whatever BS he tells....

Spaniard cannot be true American. Just accept the reality.

[EL_BARBARO]

Spaniard cannot be true American. Just accept the reality.


Not too hard.

Spaniard is from Spain.

American from USA or from any place in the american continent.

Easy.

In the same way an Injun is not an American. An injun will always be an injun. Just accept the reality.

You don't have even a minimal clue about that braine-damaged injun immigrant is talking... buffoon and parrot at once :nod:

[Fractal]

Piece of filth. That is not your home. Precisely you told you didn't feel American (past 4th July). Don't come now saying just the opposite, Gypsy.

I have no intention to migrate like a plague of grasshoppers like you. I stay in my country, with my own people, enjoying my life and not in a garage; unlike you, an injun immigrant in a absolutely different country as his, hidden in a garage, hated by the natives of this country and even the other immigrants in that country.

Deal with that, miserable.

Injun immigrants are amongst the most well respected for the billionth time, you retarded spik. DEAL WITH IT. And yes this is my home my family has been in this zip code since the early 80s. In fact Gujarati families were amongst the first here before all the Orientals and Persians started moving in. Lately more newcomers are coming in.

And no sorry Spaniards and Latinos are NOT Americans by any means. Thomas Jefferson, John Adams and George Washington would be rolling in their graves at the thought of that you arrogant southern european MED.

[Isleño]

Isleño lives in Louisiana, in St. Bernard Parish, a historical place over there.

Isleño is an American, as well as his family and relatives and all his ancestors since more than 200 years ago.

Isleño is not an Immigrant. Just the opposite, Isleño and his ancestors helped to birth America, to build America.

You, in constract, have not helped in nothing. You have come to America to take advantadge of a rich country, like a parasite.

You are an immigrant. Isleño is an American, a true old American.
This is correct. I am an old stock American. The Legacy of Spain in North America. We helped build the United States. We fought in the American Revolution, the Civil War, World War I, World War II, the Korean War, the Vietnam War and all the modern wars in the Middle East and Afghanistan now. My people have been fighting since 1777-1778. We came here as soldiers under the Spanish crown. First in the name of Spain, then France, then USA. And before that, we fought for Spain while in the Canary Islands. I'm a true American and a rarity in this land that we have remained grouped and kept our blood and culture preserved.

[Isleño]

Injun immigrants are amongst the most well respected for the billionth time, you retarded spik. DEAL WITH IT. And yes this is my home my family has been in this zip code since the early 80s. In fact Gujarati families were amongst the first here before all the Orientals and Persians started moving in. Lately more newcomers are coming in.

And no sorry Spaniards and Latinos are NOT Americans by any means. Thomas Jefferson, John Adams and George Washington would be rolling in their graves at the thought of that you arrogant southern european MED.
I'm a Spanish-American and we've been Americans before 4/5 of this country were.

[EL_BARBARO]

Injun immigrants are amongst the most well respected for the billionth time, you retarded spik. DEAL WITH IT. And yes this is my home my family has been in this zip code since the early 80s. In fact Gujarati families were amongst the first here before all the Orientals and Persians started moving in. Lately more newcomers are coming in.

And no sorry Spaniards and Latinos are NOT Americans by any means. Thomas Jefferson, John Adams and George Washington would be rolling in their graves at the thought of that you arrogant southern european MED.


Respected? Well, US news told a different story.

ZIP Code has nothing to do with respect. Has to do with a postal location.

Gujaratis are Injun, too. Injun immigrants are being stopped entering in the USA. Even they're being expelled from the USA.

Nope. Spaniards are not Americans. Spaniards are Iberian, a peninsula in Europe.

i don't know if Latinos are Americans. It'll depend on the concrete case. I don't give a fuck about.

George Washington and Thomas Jefferson kissed spanish feet, since grace to them America became an independent country, when you Injuns were still under the british heel, kissing it, servant kaffir.

You're telling nothing new, just showing your profond ignorance about the place you are right now.

Americans want y'all to go back home.

[Isleño]

Spaniard cannot be true American. Just accept the reality.

I'm a true American and I'm a Spanish-American my family arrived here in Louisiana in 1778.

[Isleño]

Indians are not parasitical, you stupid low IQ delusional moron. The definition of a parasite is an immigrant who feeds off of the taxpayer and collects the most welfare benefits, in which case it's Hispanics. Indian-Americans are highly wealthy and therefore pay the most taxes

And sorry but a true American is an Anglo/WASP or Native American. Spanish speaking Latins are not considered the true Americans.
Ross what are you saying? I'm not a true American? Louisiana became a US state in 1803. My entire family was in Louisiana in 1803 with the exception of a few relatives back in the Canary Islands of Spain.

[Isleño]

There are plenty of White Hispanics here. Isleno is one example, whether they are pure Iberian is another story.

Yes, I'm a white Hispanic. And I'm not 100% Iberian, no. I'm Canarian descent and my DNA reads 90% Iberian, 10% North African.

[Fractal]

Yes, I'm a white Hispanic. And I'm not 100% Iberian, no. I'm Canarian descent and my DNA reads 90% Iberian, 10% North African.

I frankly find your 100% Iberianness irrelevant. I'm responding to Barbaro insulting Indo-Americans, the most successful and productive immigrant ethnicity in the USA.

Americans in my opinion are WASPs/Anglos along with Scots-Irish-Welsh Americans. True original Americans however were Native Americans.

You are surely American, no doubt. Just saying the founding stock of this country were those groups.

[Isleño]

Thats fair, even if that makes USA whiter. Obviously people speaking fluent english will be better educated and less of a burden for the country. That restriction is good.

Something unfair would be to say that a white retard is more desired than a black genius but this is completely different. They are actually favoring the immigration of educated people that maybe happen to be whiter.
I agree. There is nothing wrong with having higher skilled immigrants here. And we should cut immigration in half. We let in 1 million people a year. That's too many no matter what color they are or skill they have.

Some people are saying this is racist because Trump wants to make America white again. Not that he is doing that, but what if he was? This was a 90% white country in the 1950's before the immigration law was changed to let in 95% non-white immigrants here for 52 years. Would you think that is racist, trying to drown out the whites and socially engineer the country racially to become a less white country? That the bigotry that's been going unchecked for a half century. I'm not even Anglo and I can see that.

[Kamal900]

I agree. There is nothing wrong with having higher skilled immigrants here. And we should cut immigration in half. We let in 1 million people a year. That's too many no matter what color they are or skill they have.

Some people are saying this is racist because Trump wants to make America white again. Not that he is doing that, but what if he was? This was a 90% white country in the 1950's before the immigration law was changed to let in 95% non-white immigrants here for 52 years. Would you think that is racist, trying to drown out the whites and socially engineer the country racially to become a less white country? That the bigotry that's been going unchecked for a half century. I'm not even Anglo and I can see that.

Trump is more of a racial egalitarian than someone who puts White American interests first regardless on what White nationalists say.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

I agree. There is nothing wrong with having higher skilled immigrants here. And we should cut immigration in half. We let in 1 million people a year. That's too many no matter what color they are or skill they have.

Some people are saying this is racist because Trump wants to make America white again. Not that he is doing that, but what if he was? This was a 90% white country in the 1950's before the immigration law was changed to let in 95% non-white immigrants here for 52 years. Would you think that is racist, trying to drown out the whites and socially engineer the country racially to become a less white country? That the bigotry that's been going unchecked for a half century. I'm not even Anglo and I can see that.
Theres no racism. Its just mexico is closer to the US then europe. And european economy is doing ok in many euro countries. But many immigrants going to latin american country overwelmingly european. Is dat Rasists?

[Isleño]

I frankly find your 100% Iberianness irrelevant. I'm responding to Barbaro insulting Indo-Americans, the most successful and productive immigrant ethnicity in the USA.

Americans in my opinion are WASPs/Anglos along with Scots-Irish-Welsh Americans. True original Americans however were Native Americans.

You are surely American, no doubt. Just saying the founding stock of this country were those groups.
So you don't think I'm a true American because I'm not Anglo? My family has been in Louisiana on the 1st day it became a US state. 1803. We are true Americans. That's only 27 years after the US was born from the British 13 colonies. We fought in the Revolutionary war. Do you know what that means? We were Americans before 4/5 of the people living here's ancestors. We are a root of this tree called the USA. We are in it's history.

[Isleño]

Trump is more of a racial egalitarian than someone who puts White American interests first regardless on what White nationalists say.
Trump is a nationalist. He's not concerned with race, he's concerned with American.

[Fractal]

Ross what are you saying? I'm not a true American? Louisiana became a US state in 1803. My entire family was in Louisiana in 1803 with the exception of a few relatives back in the Canary Islands of Spain.

Ask me if i care? I have relatives living in Massachusetts and Connecticut in the same areas as Anglos who I'm guessing have been around for as long or longer. No one has any issues.

[Kamal900]

Trump is a nationalist. He's not concerned with race, he's concerned with American.

Indeed. I mean, he sees all Americans the same regardless of their creed, ethnicity, race and so on.

[turbosat]

I'm a true American and I'm a Spanish-American my family arrived here in Louisiana in 1778.

Its not always a question of when your family arrived. Its like Romany/Gypsy. They have been in Spain for how long?
Most of the world only considers Anglos/WASPS to be true Americans. Amerindians are native Americans. Black Americans are considred Afro-Americans.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Ask me if i care? I have relatives living in Massachusetts and Connecticut in the same areas as Anglos who I'm guessing have been around for as long or longer. No one has any issues.
You have ancestors being in the americas since the 1500s? Or 1700s?

[Fractal]

Its not always a question of when your family arrived. Its like Romany/Gypsy. They have been in Spain for how long?
Most of the world only considers Anglos/WASPS to be true Americans. Amerindians are native Americans.

Anglos and WASPs (and later German-Americans in science/technology/military) are who built the foundational base of America. Don't let these Spaniards fool you.

[Isleño]

Theres no racism. Its just mexico is closer to the US then europe. And european economy is doing ok in many euro countries. But many immigrants from latin american country are overwelmingly european. Is dat Rasists?

In 1965, the liberals (actually they were Jewish in ethnicity) changed the immigration law to accept 95% of its immigration from outside of Europe, when Europe was traditionally the source of immigration. One of the Jews involved yelled " Open the flood gates", which he's on record yelling this. For 52 years, this country has been accepting 95% of its immigration from outside of Europe. It was completely a move to racially engineer the US. It has nothing to do with illegals in 2017. This has been going on for 52 years. In the 1950s, the USA was 90% white. 90%! In 26 years whites are predicted to become a minority at 49% of the population. If that's not racial engineering through liberal policies, then I don't know what is. im not even Anglo and I can see this happening.

[turbosat]

Trump is a nationalist. He's not concerned with race, he's concerned with American.

What is your opinion, is this guy as American as you or not? And what does EL-BARBARRO say on this guy?

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[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

In 1965, the liberals (actually they were Jewish in ethnicity) changed the immigration law to accept 95% of its immigration from outside of Europe, when Europe was traditionally the source of immigration. One of the Jews involved yelled " Open the flood gates", which he's on record yelling this. For 52 years, this country has been accepting 95% of its immigration from outside of Europe. It was completely a move to racially engineer the US. It has nothing to do with illegals in 2017. This has been going on for 52 years. In the 1950s, the USA was 90% white. 90%! In 26 years whites are predicted to become a minority at 49% of the population. If that's not racial engineering through liberal policies, then I don't know what is. im not even Anglo and I can see this happening.

Do you see what you typed. Europe was basically the only place it was getting immigrants from. Even though its across an ocean. And jews changed it so it wasnt basically only accepting europeans. Somehow dats rassists.

It was to allow anyone to move here according to your own writing. Social engineering is just a code word to make being not racists sound like a bad quality. When not being racists is a good quality actually


Im guessing you are a racists or something. But you put up a polite front.

And open the flood gates comment. That sounds like something added for fear effect.

Letting anyone just jump the border and given welfare assistance with no citizenship ect is one thing. And what you typed is another.

[Isleño]

Ask me if i care? I have relatives living in Massachusetts and Connecticut in the same areas as Anglos who I'm guessing have been around for as long or longer. No one has any issues.

I'm a true American. Anyone that says I'm not because I'm not Anglo is mistaken. When we fought in the Revolutionary War, we sure were Americans then, I don't see what changed over 200 years. Im Spanish-American and I'm a true American. Matter of fact, the Spanish Americans of St. Augustine, Florida has been in Florida since the 1500's, going on 500 years they've been in Florida and Spanish is the longest continuing European ancestry in North America.

[EL_BARBARO]

What is your opinion, is this guy as American as you or not? And what does EL-BARBARRO say on this guy?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/56/Bobby_Jindal_August_2015.jpg/220px-Bobby_Jindal_August_2015.jpg


He's a Gypsy to me. No offence.

[Isleño]

Its not always a question of when your family arrived. Its like Romany/Gypsy. They have been in Spain for how long?
Most of the world only considers Anglos/WASPS to be true Americans. Amerindians are native Americans. Black Americans are considred Afro-Americans.
We fought in the Revolutionary war. Apparently we were Americans then, and it's been the same for 240 rears for us. We are true Americans. We are not comparable to Gypsies. There were Anglos, Germans, Spaniards and French here over 200 years ago fighting for the USA. I'm a true American. My family has been Americans since 1803. Before that, we were part of colonial Louisiana under Spain and France.

[Isleño]

Anglos and WASPs (and later German-Americans in science/technology/military) are who built the foundational base of America. Don't let these Spaniards fool you.

Hey Ross, don't insult my people like that. We have been Americans since 1803. 27 years after the USA was founded. We are real Americans.

[Isleño]

What is your opinion, is this guy as American as you or not? And what does EL-BARBARRO say on this guy?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/56/Bobby_Jindal_August_2015.jpg/220px-Bobby_Jindal_August_2015.jpg
Yes, he's as American as I because we are equally American and my citizenship is no more superior than his. But no, he does not have the history my people have in US history.

[Isleño]

Do you see what you typed. Europe was basically the only place it was getting immigrants from. Even though its across an ocean. And jews changed it so it wasnt basically only accepting europeans. Somehow dats rassists.

It was to allow anyone to move here according to your own writing. Social engineering is just a code word to make being not racists sound like a bad quality. When not being racists is a good quality actually


Im guessing you are a racists or something. But you put up a polite front.

And open the flood gates comment. That sounds like something added for fear effect.

Letting anyone just jump the border and given welfare assistance with no citizenship ect is one thing. And what you typed is another.so if China wants to remain Chinese, they are racist? If Korea wants to remain Korean, then they are racist? The USA was 90% white bro, that's nearly entirely white. So they were not allowed to remain a white country and your argument is that I'm a racist because I'm pressing the same logic China or Japan would? Calling me a racist doesn't hurt me like it does the Anglos. I don't care how many people yell racist. The truth is the truth. it was total racial engineering. Hey China, we are gonna let in 1 million immigrants a year and 95% of them will be non-Asian for 52 years! You think China would like that and say well sure man, let us let in enough people to replace over the next century! We'll be gone, but we sure won't be racist! C'mon man, knock it off anyone with common sense can see what's happening. The whites will be only 49% of the country in 26 years, but was 90% just 52 years ago? C'mon man, you're not talking to a dummy here.

[Fractal]

Hey Ross, don't insult my people like that. We have been Americans since 1803. 27 years after the USA was founded. We are real Americans.

I didn't say you are not a real American. I'm saying the foundational base of America and it's institutions were built by Anglos and WASPs. It's industry, technology, science, and military was also developed by German immigrants who came later.

that's just a fact.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

so if China wants to remain Chinese, they are racist? If Korea wants to remain Korean, then they are racist? The USA was 90% white bro, that's nearly entirely white. So they were not allowed to remain a white country and your argument is that I'm a racist because I'm not pressing the same logic China or Japan would? Calling me a racist doesn't hurt me like it does the Anglos. I don't care how many people yell racist. The truth is the truth. it was total racial engineering. Hey China, we are gonna let in 1 million immigrants a year and 95% of them will be non-Asian for 52 years! You think China would like that and say well sure man, let us let in enough people to replace over the next century! Well. E gone, but we sure won't be racist! C'mon man, knock it off anyone with common sense can see what's happening. The whites will be only 49% of the country in 26 years, but was 90% just 52 years ago? C'mon man, you're not talking to a dummy here.

China is racists actually. You dont even know...
They are even descriminatory to ethnicgroup, regions. Some of there policies also in concern to region its much more racists than the US.
A foreigner can practically never be a citizen. No matter how long they live in china and if they have a family. Even half prejudice towards half chinese kids. Foreigner children cant even really go to public school. They have to be private. Chinese born mixed can go to public but they face more hardship to go there

[Isleño]

China is racists actually. You dont even know...
They are even descriminatory to ethnicgroup, regions. Some of theor policies also in concern to region its much more racists than the US.
A foreigner can practically never be a citizen. No matter hoe long they live in china and if they have a family. Even half prejudice towards half chinese kids. Foreigner children cant even really go to public school. They have to be private. Chinese born mixed can go to public but they face more hardship to go there
Well then if protecting your nation from population replacement is racism, well then sign me up!

[Fractal]

China is racists actually. You dont even know...
They are even descriminatory to ethnicgroup, regions. Some of theor policies also in concern to region its much more racists than the US.
A foreigner can practically never be a citizen. No matter hoe long they live in china and if they have a family. Even half prejudice towards half chinese kids. Foreigner children cant even really go to public school. They have to be private. Chinese born mixed can go to public but they face more hardship to go there

Chinese people here are big race mixers, in fact their parents encourage the daughters to marry White guys. Chinese-White couples are the most common. Wrong you are Puerto Rican.

Indians remain the most endogamous racial group of anyone.

[Isleño]

I didn't say you are not a real American. I'm saying the foundational base of America and it's institutions were built by Anglos and WASPs. It's industry, technology, science, and military was also developed by German immigrants who came later.

that's just a fact.Ok. I thought you were saying I'm not a true American because I'm Hispanic and not Anglo.

[Isleño]

Chinese people here are big race mixers, in fact their parents encourage the daughters to marry White guys. Chinese-White couples are the most common. Wrong you are Puerto Rican.

Indians remain the most endogamous racial group of anyone.
I don't support the mass population replacement of any nation, whether it be china, India or the USA. There's nothing wrong with having a small minority percentage in your nation, but when immigration becomes so large that it's replacing the population, that's a problem.

[Fractal]

I don't support the mass population replacement of any nation, whether it be china, India or the USA. There's nothing wrong with having a small minority percentage in your nation, but when immigration becomes so large that it's replacing the population, that's a problem.

hmm well the Chinese (and Mexicans) are taking over California that much is certain, as are other east asians. Indians are still a small minority group in comparison to them.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Chinese people here are big race mixers, in fact their parents encourage the daughters to marry White guys. Chinese-White couples are the most common. Wrong you are Puerto Rican.

Indians remain the most endogamous racial group of anyone.
They do prefer european westerners. They even have strange biases for english teaching jobs toward non white english teachers from the US, with real experience and credentials. They rather take a Euro westerner who is not a native english teacher with no credentials than a non euro one with credentials and better speaking.

I wouldnt say they mix alot. They hardly mix but of all the groups they would mix more with a euro westerner more.
And im not wrong. I get my info from people who live in china that are foreigners

[Isleño]

hmm well the Chinese (and Mexicans) are taking over California that much is certain, as are other east asians. Indians are still a small minority group in comparison to them.
Meanwhile China and India are nearly completely Chinese or South Asian. My group of white Hispanics is already a minority here among the Anglo majority. But I still wouldn't want to see population replacement for any nation. We have enough people here. Shut the borders and stop all immigration and let everyone in the borders of the US thrive without competition from abroad.

[Thanas Django]

Today Trump signed a new law for immgirants coming to US. They have to speak fluent english.
This favors whites IMO and im pretty sure Trump has gotten this idea from An Coulter who has been speaking consistently in favor of european migrants instead of Mexicans South Americans Asians and Africans which according to her have been favored while European immigrants have been very low in numbers.
This law is twisted but cleverly racist imo. Legal immigrants are mostly families with kids which will qualify mostly european migrants since they teach their kids english at early age.
The law is also rude but blunt, an immigrant has to be interviewed proving he/she is smarter than the average american citizen on top of speaking fluent english.

Basically Trump wants to make america white or whiter.

The inhabitants of every African and Asian ex colony of the British Empire learn to speak English from a very young age.

Nigeria, India, Pakistan, Swaziland, Uganda. The list is endless.

Have fun with your theory.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Well then if protecting your nation from population replacement is racism, well then sign me up!

Yea ok. So go back to the canaries.... you are 10 percent guanche. Go protect guanches...

[Kamal900]

hmm well the Chinese (and Mexicans) are taking over California that much is certain, as are other east asians. Indians are still a small minority group in comparison to them.

You should be more worried about the Mexican nationalists in California that seek in taking the state from the US via "La Raza" which literally means "The Race" in Spanish:
http://s25.postimg.org/cz5sbil0f/laraza.jpg

[Isleño]

Yea ok. So go back to the canaries.... you are 10 percent guanche. Go protect guanches...

Why would I go back to the canaries if I was born and raised in the USA. You are mistaken. My family is not some immigrant group that got off the boat 30 years ago. We were in Louisiana on the first day it became a state of the US. That means we are true Americans. My family has been in St. Bernard Parish, Louisiana for 240 years, why would I have to go live in the Canaries? Just because I'm Hispanic, don't think I'm in favor tons of immigration. I see myself as a North American, not a South or Central American. We've lived in a community of Spanish-Americans for 240 years on a Louisiana bayou. We wasn't surrounded by Hispanics then and it doesn't matter if we are or not now. But I still don't favor population replacement for any nation.

[Isleño]

You should be more worried about the Mexican nationalists in California that seek in taking the state from the US via "La Raza" which literally means "The Race" in Spanish:
http://s25.postimg.org/cz5sbil0f/laraza.jpg

This will already happen. It's in the making now. They will create Aztlán.

[turbosat]

The inhabitants of every African and Asian ex colony of the British Empire learn to speak English from a very young age.

Nigeria, India, Pakistan, Swaziland, Uganda. The list is endless.

Have fun with your theory.

English is now the communication language of whole world. e.g. when Chinese and Indian border guards have a dispute on the border, shouting and pushing each other, they use English to talk with each other.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Why would I go back to the canaries if I was born and raised in the USA. You are mistaken. My family is not some immigrant group that got off the boat 30 years ago. We were in Louisiana on the first day it became a state of the US. That means we are true Americans. My family has been in St. Bernard Parish, Louisiana for 240 years, why would I have to go live in the Canaries? Just because I'm Hispanic, don't think I'm in favor tons of immigration. I see myself as a North American, not a South or Central American. We've lived in a community of Spanish-Americans for 240 years on a Louisiana bayou. We wasn't surrounded by Hispanics then and it doesn't matter if we are or not now. But I still don't favor population replacement for any nation.

Because you arent anglo saxon, you are a guanche mixed iberian. Literally you are the product of population replacement..and you contribute to population replacement according because you are not anglo. Anyways I have native americans ancestry. My ancestry goes farther back on this side of the world than you. And I am direct descendant.

[Isleño]

English is now the communication language of whole world. e.g. when Chinese and Indian border guards have a dispute on the border, shouting and pushing each other, they use English to talk with each other.

English has definitely become the international language. This is the result of the United States.

[Kamal900]

English has definitely become the international language. This is the result of the United States.

The English language is indeed the unofficial lingua franca of the world, and English is one of the official languages in the UAE.

[Fractal]

Because you arent anglo saxon, you are a guanche mixed iberian. Literally you are the product of population replacement..and you contribute to population replacement according because you are not anglo. Anyways I have native americans ancestry. My ancestry goes farther back on this side of the world than you. And I am direct descendant.

Anglos/WASPs, Scots-Irish, and later Germans are the founders and the ones who built America in the early days. Isleno is definitely American but Spaniards were not included in this group.

And by the OP is an Albanian, an ethnicity about as desirable as Nigerians here.

[Isleño]

Because you arent anglo saxon, you are a guanche mixed iberian. Literally you are the product of population replacement..and you contribute to population replacement according because you are not anglo. Anyways I have native americans ancestry. My ancestry goes farther back on this side of the world than you. And I am direct descendant.Well good for you. I respect Indios, we have no beef with them. We traded with the Houma Indian tribe in the late 1700's. And yes, I am the product of population replacement. I descend from both the conquistador and the Guanche. But that happened long ago and it's effects are irreversible as Guanches no longer exist as a people anymore. So why would I want to see that here? It's sad that it happened to the Amerindians, but I can't change the past. I can only look forward. Unless there is some mass exodus of non-Amerinds out of the US, we will be here because we are part of the founding populations of the current United States which does have laws that we must abide by.

I dont wish harm to anyone, but I don't want to see population replacement happen to any nation, including my own. There is nothing wrong with having a small minority, but when it becomes so large that it replaces the population, that is bad. In just 26 years, white Americans are scheduled to become a minority at 49%, down from 90% just 50 years ago. If that's not population replacement, I don't know what is. I'm Hispanic, yes. But Hispanic is not a race and did not exist in the US as a category until the 1970's. We've been here for 240 years. Before the 1970's, my people were listed as white. We know we are not Anglos, yes. But we were still listed as white for 200 years. To them, we were Spaniards, just as there are French or Germans or Irish.

[EL_BARBARO]

Anglos/WASPs, Scots-Irish, and later Germans are the founders and the ones who built America in the early days. Isleno is definitely American but Spaniards were not included in this group.

And by the OP is an Albanian, an ethnicity about as desirable as Nigerians here.


Are you answering to that Domininican living in the USA showing the spanish flag just for trolling Spaniards here? He's a recognised and so known anti-Spanish user in here. Both of you could manage to be a nice couple in here.

By the way, Spaniards = Spaniards. Americans = people from the USA. They are two different things and people.

What it is historically certain is that many Spaniards and mestizos helped USA to become independent against the british, taking part in the Revolution War. You should know that if you were an American, as well.

But the truth is, I suspect and based on your previous comments in here, you do not feel American at all. And I understand you. "We are just in America to parasite it". Legally correct perhaps, but morally despicable, since you and your people did not help absolutely in nothing to built America.

In constract, many Spaniards or people of Spanish origin certainly did it.

Amongst them are the ancestors of Isleño, but many others did as well.

Obviously, neither you do know it nor you care at all.

And the thing is that... I understand you quite quite well... :nod:

[Fractal]

.....

I wasn't talk to you, jack ass.

Spaniards and mestizos (:rotfl:) had nothing to do with the founding of America and very little in fact.

[EL_BARBARO]

I wasn't talk to you, jack ass.

Spaniards and mestizos (:rotfl:) had nothing to do with the founding of America and very little in fact.

you wish not... :)

[Isleño]

Anglos/WASPs, Scots-Irish, and later Germans are the founders and the ones who built America in the early days. Isleno is definitely American but Spaniards were not included in this group.

And by the OP is an Albanian, an ethnicity about as desirable as Nigerians here.
We were not US Americans until 1803. But once Louisiana became a state, we were recorded by the federal government in Washington D.C. as one of the founder population for the state of Louisiana, along with the francophone populations and the two other Hispanic populations of Louisiana. That's big. So even if we are not a founder population of the original USA, we are indeed a founder population for one of its states that joined the union in 1803. That's big. We are like a souvenir to 4/5 of the nation.

[Fractal]

We were not US Americans until 1803. But once Louisiana became a state, we were recorded by the federal government in Washington D.C. as one of the founder population for the state of Louisiana, along with the francophone populations and the two other Hispanic populations of Louisiana. That's big. So even if we are not a founder population of the original USA, we are indeed a founder population for one of its states that joined the union in 1803. That's b Go ig. We are like a souvenir to 4/5 of the nation.

go buy yourself a cookie.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Well good for you. I respect Indios, we have no beef with them. We traded with the Houma Indian tribe in the late 1700's. And yes, I am the product of population replacement. I descend from both the conquistador and the Guanche. But that happened long ago and it's effects are irreversible as Guanches no longer exist as a people anymore. So why would I want to see that here? It's sad that it happened to the Amerindians, but I can't change the past. I can only look forward. Unless there is some mass exodus of non-Amerinds out of the US, we will be here because we are part of the founding populations of the current United States which does have laws that we must abide by.

I dont wish harm to anyone, but I don't want to see population replacement happen to any nation, including my own. There is nothing wrong with having a small minority, but when it becomes so large that it replaces the population, that is bad. In just 26 years, white Americans are scheduled to become a minority at 49%, down from 90% just 50 years ago. If that's not population replacement, I don't know what is. I'm Hianic, yes. But Hispanic is not a race and did not exist in the US as a category until the 1970's. We've been here for 240 years. Before the 1970's, my people were listed as white. We know we are not Anglos, yes. But we were still listed as white for 200 years. To them, we were Spaniards, just as there are French or Germans or Irish.

You were ranting off to some racialist rant before, you werent talking about the principal of having border security. And you still are. Because you are dwelling off into population replacement ( low key type of racialism talk) instead of protecting citizen interests. Which is why you are wrong. I already know you are a ethno racialists. No need to pretend.

[Isleño]

go buy yourself a cookie.

Well I thought you'd buy me one with all this supposed wealth your family has :)

[Fractal]

You were ranting off to some racialist rant before, you werent talking about the principal of having border security. And you still are. Because you are dwelling off into population replacement ( low key type of racialism talk) instead of protecting citizen interests. Which is why you are wrong. I already know you are a ethno racialists. No need to pretend.

Just tell him to go buy himself a cookie.

[Fractal]

Well I thought you'd buy me one with all this supposed wealth your family has :)

lol sure i'd buy you a whole jar.

[Isleño]

You were ranting off to some racialist rant before, you werent talking about the principal of having border security. And you still are. Because you are dwelling off into population replacement ( low key type of racialism talk) instead of protecting citizen interests. Which is why you are wrong. I already know you are a ethno racialists. No need to pretend.
Bro, I don't care what you think about me. That's the difference between a white Hispanic and an Anglo. We don't give a fuck how many times you yell racist. It's common sense if a country is 90% white and a group of people with white guilt issues, opens the immigration flood gates of 95% non-white immigration over 50 years and in 26 years a population of 90% will be 49%, that's intended racial engineering and can be accepted as genocide of a people. The host population will have been cut in half in percentage in less than 100 years. No nation in history has done this. It's population suicide.

If you can't see that and you root for this genocidal shit, you are the bigot. I don't give a fuck how many times you call me a racist. Truth is truth whether you like it or not. I will speak my mind whether you like it or not. Population replacement is happening under the disguise of political correctness and celebration of diversity. But what's happening is population replacement. Anyone in favor of population replacement is the racist.

[Isleño]

lol sure i'd buy you a whole jar.

Cool. I'll give you an address to send them to.

[Fractal]

you wish not... :)

I don't wish not. I know so.

Only Northwest European descendants (including French) not Spaniards as much.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Bro, I don't care what you think about me. That's the difference between a white Hispanic and an Anglo. We don't give a fuck how many times you yell racist. It's common sense if a country is 90% white and a group of people with white guilt issues, opens the immigration flood gates of 95% non-white immigration over 50 years and in 26 years a population of 90% will be 49%, that's intended racial engineering and can be accepted as genocide of a people. The host population will have been cut in half in percentage in less than 100 years. No nation in history has done this. It's population suicide.

If you can't see that and you root for this genocidal shit, you are the bigot. I don't give a fuck how many times you call me a racist. Truth is truth whether you like it or not. I will speak my mind whether you like it or not. Population replacement is happening under the disguise of political correctness and celebration of diversity. But what's happening is population replacement. Anyone in favor of population replacement is the racist.

Ok so you are a racists. You dont care? then dont pretend :bleh bleh i don't wish harm to them, I respect the indians...

Dont talk to me about genocide. Iberians genocided many of my ancestors. But i know iberians dont care. They never do. But have the nerve to call others genocidal while ranting about racialism talks?

Again you are not talking about the prinicpals of border security, dwelling off too "social engineering." I never said i supported undocumented immigration getting welfare.
I told you what you ranting is off topic and you are ranting off towards racialism with population replacement.
Are you this dense to comprehend? And you call me a bigot?
You arent talking about real principals, merit vs entitlement, civil rights, who should have them, naturalization process, policy ect. You are vague and have no substance to the sincere and genuine discussion about border security. Typical iberians and racialists. Always ranting about the fear of population replacement. Yet they can go to latin american america and not be accused of population replacement

[EL_BARBARO]

I don't wish not. I know so.

Only Northwest European descendants (including French) not Spaniards as much.



With all the respect, by the way you haven't gained it at all though, you don't know a shit :no:

It'd be a real miracle if you had learnt to wash yourself after having gone to the toilet.

[Isleño]

Ok so you are a racists. You dont care? then dont pretend :bleh bleh i don't wish harm to them, I respect the indians...

Dont talk to me about genocide. Iberians genocided many of my ancestors. But i know iberians dont care. They never do. But have the nerve to call others genocidal while ranting about racialism talks?

Again you are not talking about the prinicpals of border security, dwelling off too "social engineering." I never said i supported undocumented immigration getting welfare.
I told you what you ranting is off topic and you are ranting off towards racialism with population replacement.
Are you this dense to comprehend? And you call me a bigot?
You arent talking about real principals, merit vs entitlement, civil rights, who should have them, naturalization process, policy ect. You are vague and have no substance to the sincere and genuine discussion about border security. Typical iberians and racialists. Always ranting about the fear of population replacement. Yet they can go to latin american america and not be accused of population replacement
I never said I was a racist, but I'm not scared to be called one for my beliefs. If you believe the genocide of 90% of a population through immigration is a good thing, you are the racist. I truly don't care what you think of me. I believe what I believe and I don't care if you don't like it. And I didn't genocide your people, so don't act like because I'm of Iberian origin I had something to do with the genocide of your people, because I didn't. I have no guilt for that shit.

I come from the conqueror and the conquered, save your pity for someone else. And I don't pretend. And I don't hate Indios. For some reason I can't be concerned for the longevity of the population of the US without being a racist and hate all races? C'mon man, knock it off that's foolishness. It's people like you that go around branding people with slanderous name calling but if someone has something to say about your people you will defend them unapologetically. That's hypocritical. And I'm not an Iberian. I don't come from Iberia. My ancestors did. I'm an American.

I told you I didn't approve of what happened to the Native Americans. I don't approve of what happened to the Guanches. But what's done is done. I'm not responsible and I won't be guilted into thinking i'm somehow responsible.

And for the record, I am talking about border security and less illegal and legal immigration. But make no mistake, this country has a majority population being replaced through immigration and I speak up about it, regardless if I'm Hispanic or not. What's wrong is wrong. So what, you want to brand me as a racist because I'm sticking up for the people that let your family in here? Well a few families is ok, but too many is danger. And yes, because they are whites, anyone that sticks up for them is a racist or Uncle Tom to people like you.

Well that's all racism against them. What you are missing is the point is the country was 90% white just 50 years ago. But sure, you want this to happen because you have Amerindian blood and to you it's revenge. Well if that's the case, get off of this European site. There are sites for Amerindians online.

And if I'm ranting on racialism, so be it. It needs to be addressed because it's happening. Everyone is so worried about sticking up for minorities, nobody even makes a stink about the host population will be cut in half in percentage in just 26 years! I'm not the dense one. If you can't see the population being cut in half in only 100 years total, then you need a psyc evaluation, because that's genocide of the host population through immigration. And yeah, I said if you don't see anything wrong with replacing the host population through immigration, then yes I do think you are a bigot. I do have a principle here in this debate and the principle is population replacement through immigration is wrong. I can't help what happened in the past, but I can be a voice through the future.

And if you have such problems with Iberians, don't identify as Hispanic because Hispanic means Iberian. Don't attempt to speak Spanish. Change your surname. Cleanse yourself of your Hispanicity and log off of this site full of Europeans and European descendants. Because you sure don't sound like the friend of anyone European, Iberian or white American right now.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

I never said I was a racist, but I'm not scared to be called one for my beliefs. If you believe the genocide of 90% of a population through immigration is a good thing, you are the racist. I truly don't care what you think of me. I believe what I believe and I don't care if you don't like it. And I didn't genocide your people, so don't act like because I'm of Iberian origin I had something to do with the genocide of your people, because I didn't. I have no guilt for that shit.

I come from the conqueror and the conquered, save your pity for someone else. And I don't pretend. And I don't hate Indios. For some reason I can't be concerned for the longevity of the population of the US without being a racist and hate all races? C'mon man, knock it off that's foolishness. It's people like you that go around branding people with slanderous name calling but if someone has something to say about your people you will defend them unapologetically. That's hypocritical. And I'm not an Iberian. I don't come from Iberia. My ancestors did. I'm an American.

I told you I didn't approve of what happened to the Native Americans. I don't approve of what happened to the Guanches. But what's done is done. I'm not responsible and I won't be guilted into thinking i'm somehow responsible.

And for the record, I am talking about border security and less illegal and legal immigration. But make no mistake, this country has a majority population being replaced through immigration and I speak up about it, regardless if I'm Hispanic or not. What's wrong is wrong. So what, you want to brand me as a racist because I'm sticking up for the people that let your family in here? Well a few families is ok, but too many is danger. And yes, because they are whites, anyone that sticks up for them is a racist or Uncle Tom to people like you.

Well that's all racism against them. What you are missing is the point is the country was 90% white just 50 years ago. But sure, you want this to happen because you have Amerindian blood and to you it's revenge. Well if that's the case, get off of this European site. There are sites for Amerindians online.

And if I'm ranting on racialism, so be it. It needs to be addressed because it's happening. Everyone is so worried about sticking up for minorities, nobody even makes a stink about the host population will be cut in half in percentage in just 26 years! I'm not the dense one. If you can't see the population being cut in half in only 100 years total, then you need a psyc evaluation, because that's genocide of the host population through immigration. And yeah, I said if you don't see anything wrong with replacing the host population through immigration, then yes I do think you are a bigot. I do have a principle here in this debate and the principle is population replacement through immigration is wrong. I can't help what happened in the past, but I can be a voice through the future.

And if you have such problems with Iberians, don't identify as Hispanic because Hispanic means Iberian. Don't attempt to speak Spanish. Change your surname. Cleanse yourself of your Hispanicity and log off of this site full of Europeans and European descendants. Because you sure don't sound like the friend of anyone European, Iberian or white American right now.

Again dwelling off to population replacement...
1rst off, there is no genocide replacement. Its border policy. Theres no army of mexicans raining down on anglos

Theres no doctors of mexicans sterilizing or infecting anglos to diminish their population...

The anglo birth rate is low. Thats not an immigrants fault....

I never claimed latin americans were hispanic. I have said various times hispanics are from hispania....
And latin america is not even a real term. Its just used to refer to spanish speaking countries. Only italians are latin, iberians are hispanic....

And again with no talk about anything with regard to policy or merits or entitlements, or naturalization. My real surname is french but was lost because ny half iberian great grandmother ran off and changed my grandfathers name. I dont care for it but i am not going to change it because of some TA racialists. I will probably just change my sons name or childs name instead.

Again you are saying things i never said.

Oh i want revenge on anglos cuz i have amerindian bloood[emoji30] [emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji32][emoji24]
Keep embarrassing yourself. Anglos didnt genocide mines. It was iberians. you are sounding more desperate and rediculous by the moment. I never announced i wanted some kind of revenge on them...

Uncle tom? Are you stupid? I said to bring a real discussion to the table. Where you talk about policy ect. Instead ranting. Omg the mexicans army is invading and pillaging us. Mexican airforce jihadded my hometown bleh bleh.

You are just a racialists because you are staying fixiated on race. You dont talk about principals in regards. You only talk about how " the white blood is browning." My goodness could you be any less self victimizing? I just said talk and how your rant is hypocritical. Just talk about the policies. What should be done in regards to naturalization ect. Eho should have rights, should immigrants have any rights, which rights, what constitutes for a illegal to barred off. How should border control be better enforced. Where are its faults. Literally you are just ranting off "muh open borders" geez

Again you rant like you are a conqueror. Let me tell you about your ancestor. Your people were 2nd class citizen in the US in bording schools. Thats your people who were conquered in florida and moved to louisianna. And before that i can go on but iberians. Iberians in the island were criminals, rapists, the typical iberian logic of associating feeding natives to dogs, and raping women = heroic. Dont pretend to care, i know you are scum now masquerading as some polite person. I have iberian ancestors and i think they were scum. Technically its not racists if i have iberian blood..

[Isleño]

Again dwelling off to population replacement...
1rst off, there is no genocide replacement. Its border policy. Theres no army of mexicans raining down on anglos

Theres no doctors of mexicans sterilizing or infecting anglos to diminish their population...

The anglo birth rate is low. Thats not an immigrants fault....

I never claimed latin americans were hispanic. I have said various times hispanics are from hispania....
And latin america is not even a real term. Its just used to refer to spanish speaking countries. Only italians are latin, iberians are hispanic....

And again with no talk about anything with regard to policy or merits or entitlements, or naturalization. My real surname is french but was lost because ny half iberian great grandmother ran off and changed my grandfathers name. I dont care for it but i am not going to change it because of some TA racialists. I will probably just change my sons name or childs name instead.

Again you are saying things i never said.

Oh i want revenge on anglos cuz i have amerindian bloood[emoji30] [emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji32][emoji24]
Keep embarrassing yourself. Anglos didnt genocide mines. It was iberians. you are sounding more desperate and rediculous by the moment. I never announced i wanted some kind of revenge on them...

Uncle tom? Are you stupid? I said to bring a real discussion to the table. Where you talk about policy ect. Instead ranting. Omg the mexicans army is invading and pillaging us. Mexican airforce jihadded my hometown bleh bleh.

You are just a racialists because you are staying fixiated on race. You dont talk about principals in regards. You only talk about how " the white blood is browning." My goodness could you be any less self victimizing? I just said talk and how your rant is hypocritical. Just talk about the policies. What should be done in regards to naturalization ect. Eho should have rights, should immigrants have any rights, which rights, what constitutes for a illegal to barred off. How should border control be better enforced. Where are its faults. Literally you are just ranting off "muh open borders" geez

Again you rant like you are a conqueror. Let me tell you about your ancestor. Your people were 2nd class citizen in the US in bording schools. Thats your people who were conquered in florida and moved to louisianna. And before that i can go on but iberians. Iberians in the island were criminals, rapists, the typical iberian logic of associating feeding natives to dogs, and raping women = heroic. Dont pretend to care, i know you are scum now masquerading as some polite person. I have iberian ancestors and i think they were scum. Technically its not racists if i have iberian blood..You know I was getting ready to write you a nice long sensible rebuttal, but since you want to call me scum, well... my comment just became very simple. Uh, fuck off. We really have nothing else to speak about. You're a piece of shit.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

You know I was getting ready to write you a nice long sensible rebuttal, but since you want to call me scum, well... my comment just became very simple. Uh, fuck off. We really have nothing else to speak about. You're a piece of shit.
Were you my ancestor? I stated i have iberian ancestors and I think they were scum. And they were. The only exception i heard or know of is my half iberian great grandmother and she is not full spaniard.

Edit nvm i did state you were scum. You are scum

[Isleño]

Were you my ancestor? I stated i have iberian ancestors and I think they were scum. And they were. The only exception i heard or know of is my half iberian great grandmother and she is not full spaniard.
I told you fuck off. You want to insult me rather than debate, I got nothing else to say to you. I used to think you was ok, now I don't want anything to do with you.

[zhaoyun]

China is racists actually. You dont even know...
They are even descriminatory to ethnicgroup, regions. Some of there policies also in concern to region its much more racists than the US.
A foreigner can practically never be a citizen. No matter how long they live in china and if they have a family. Even half prejudice towards half chinese kids. Foreigner children cant even really go to public school. They have to be private. Chinese born mixed can go to public but they face more hardship to go there

That's not true. Mixed kids can go to public schools but it will have to depend on whether they are citizens or they have local identity cards.

Chinese people are really not that racist. It's kind of a stereotype that a lot of people like to parrot but it's not true.

Chinese are culturalists and have been since 500 BC. If you assimilate into Chinese culture you will be more or less accepted. This was the traditional Chinese way and it's how China was able to absorb so many different peoples to become a massive empire.

[zhaoyun]

Why would I go back to the canaries if I was born and raised in the USA. You are mistaken. My family is not some immigrant group that got off the boat 30 years ago. We were in Louisiana on the first day it became a state of the US. That means we are true Americans. My family has been in St. Bernard Parish, Louisiana for 240 years, why would I have to go live in the Canaries? Just because I'm Hispanic, don't think I'm in favor tons of immigration. I see myself as a North American, not a South or Central American. We've lived in a community of Spanish-Americans for 240 years on a Louisiana bayou. We wasn't surrounded by Hispanics then and it doesn't matter if we are or not now. But I still don't favor population replacement for any nation.

I definitely see you as old stock American. And don't mind Ross, he lashes out like a venomous dog and bites whoever gets in his way of promoting Indian Americans as the ideal model minority.

I get why White Americans are concerned about the demographic shift. I agree that the change has been quick and has been profound. I also agree that the immigration process should be more selective in bringing in people with skills we actually need here.

However, your point about population replacement could also have been used to frame the waves of Southern and Eastern Europeans who came to this country in the late 19th century and early 20th century. They were arguably just as foreign to the Anglo American way of life and culture as many non-White immigrants are today. It's just that they were eventually given the white moniker. While non-Whites were not. But tell me, what is the qualitative difference between a 3rd or 4th generation Japanese or Chinese American and a 4th generation Polish/Italian American? There isn't. Most likely based on statistics the Asian American would probably be even more productive.

Certain areas of the US already have huge multi generational Asian Americans forming the majority or a great portion of the base population from Hawaii to the Bay Area, and those societies work fine and smoothly.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

That's not true. Mixed kids can go to public schools but it will have to depend on whether they are citizens or they have local identity cards.

Chinese people are really not that racist. It's kind of a stereotype that a lot of people like to parrot but it's not true.

Chinese are culturalists and have been since 500 BC. If you assimilate into Chinese culture you will be more or less accepted. This was the traditional Chinese way and it's how China was able to absorb so many different peoples to become a massive empire.

They are not overtly racists. Its the adminstrative process which shows. Sometimes even employment instances.
Mixed chinese can go, but i said they face hardships. Literally i have seen a video about this but I dont want to post it and look for it. I dont want to attract TA slimeballs to it. Literally even though his child is chinese born with chinese name they gave him a hard time getting his child accepted. I dont remember the exact process of it because it was a while ago.
But he also could only get a max of 2 years visa extension even though he has family, married and lived in china for more than 10 years. And hes an educator also. Some chinese seem polite, but they are also some that are prejudice. Many are just plain prejudice to foreigners. He likes china though because he likes it better than the US and the standard of living. Sometimes the chinese dont realize some of their action may be considered racists or prejudice. Mainly due to how homogenous their population and lavk of exposure to different people. And he personally had a physco ex who harrasses him with prejudice epithets. Abeit shes physco. Hes not a perfect character all the time but hes pretty smart for the most part and reasonable.

[zhaoyun]

They are not overtly racists. Its the adminstrative process which shows. Sometimes even employment instances.
Mixed chinese can go, but i said they face hardships. Literally i have seen a video about this but I dont want to post it and look for it. I dont want to attract TA slimeballs to it. Literally even though his child is chinese born with chinese name they gave him a hard time getting his child accepted. I dont remember the exact process of it because it was a while ago.
But he also could only get a max of 2 years visa extension even though he has family, married and lived in china for more than 10 years. And hes an educator also. Some chinese seem polite, but they are also some that are prejudice. Many are just plain prejudice to foreigners. He likes china though because he likes it better than the US and the standard of living. Sometimes the chinese dont realize some of their action may be considered racists or prejudice. Mainly due to how homogenous their population and lavk of exposure to different people. And he personally had a physco ex who harrasses him with prejudice epithets. Abeit shes physco. Hes not a perfect character all the time but hes pretty smart for the most part and reasonable.

Well, I don't know what their particular situation is. One thing when Westerners always forget when talking about China is how big it is. China is a very vast country. So you can have very different experiences just depending on where you are, what region, what demographic, what subculture you are dealing with.

China was closed off for many centuries, so yeah, a lot of Chinese don't really know how to interact with foreigners. Sometimes it's not racism, but just pure shock when they have to suddenly deal with a foreigner that they don't know how to react or interact.

China is changing quickly though, and these attitudes are changing fast as well. But again, China is a huge and vast country so your experiences as a foreigner may differ vastly depending on what region/city you are in.

[RMuller]

I wasn't talk to you, jack ass.

Spaniards and mestizos (:rotfl:) had nothing to do with the founding of America and very little in fact.

Spaniards and Mexicans founded California,Arizona,Texas,New Mexico,Colorado and cities like Los Angeles,San Francisco,San Jose
Albuquerque,El Paso,Santa Fe,Santa Barbara,San Diego,Tuscon,San Gabriel,Monterey,Los Gatos,San Antonio etc.

Mexican-Americans fought in both sides of the American civil war.Fought in WWR1,WW2,Korean War,Vietnam war,Iraq war etc.
Mexican-Americans have won over 25 congressional medals of honor. During WWR2 Mexican-Americans won more congressional medals of honor per capita than any other ethnic group.

My moms 2 uncles were fighter pilots in the Vietnam war and spent a career in the Air Force. Alot of my relatives have served in the USA military.


A indian alien like Fractal will always be an alien in the USA and are treated as an alien race.

[RMuller]

You live in a barrio so you wouldn't know anything about the dating scenes in upper income or affluent suburbs.

I grew in a neighborhood that have homes of 1-10 acres. The area was 15% Mexican and 85% Anglo. I never saw one indian boy in my school even less in the neighborhood i grew up. You would be seen as alien and alien race.



And by the way that guy wasn't even a racist neo nazi, klansmen or anything just some ex-navy veteran with a mental disorder. And a WHITE bystander was also injured trying to defend the Indian.

Indians are still hated and Indians know it and are going back to India were they belong. Indians are an alien race.


Shall we pull up stories of you mestizos getting beaten by Neo-Nazi skinheads who easily hate you more than they do Indians?

The most dangerous and racist White nationalist group the ARYAN BROOTHERHOOD are allies with the Mexican mafia.
The Nazi lowriders allow half Mexicans in it's group.

I have walked by a group of 20 nazi lowriders and they didn't tell me anything and i wasn't scared either since i know they are cool with Mexicans. They would have lynched your dalit ass. :cheer_icoon::rotfl::victory0::cheer_icoon:

These two white nationalist groups see Indians as "mud people. "

[Dandelion]

That's the syrian flag not the Egyptian , notice the stars not the eagle.

I neither suspected Egyptians kissing a picture of Merkel. Still a funny image to me. You said African and not MEs of course. Still probably how West-Germanic settlers kissed a portrait of the Roman emperor when they were allowed to settle in Gaul to fill the gaps of a declining population. ;) I jokingly compare that picture to that.

[Egyptian]

I neither suspected Egyptians kissing a picture of Merkel. Still a funny image to me. You said African and not MEs of course. Still probably how West-Germanic settlers kissed a portrait of the Roman emperor when they were allowed to settle in Gaul to fill the gaps of a declining population. ;) I jokingly compare that picture to that.

Merkel is nice tho , go merkel fill germany with syrians .. bwhaha : ))

[turbosat]

Spaniards and Mexicans founded California,Arizona,Texas,New Mexico,Colorado and cities like Los Angeles,San Francisco,San Jose
Albuquerque,El Paso,Santa Fe,Santa Barbara,San Diego,Tuscon,San Gabriel,Monterey,Los Gatos,San Antonio etc.

Mexican-Americans fought in both sides of the American civil war.Fought in WWR1,WW2,Korean War,Vietnam war,Iraq war etc.
Mexican-Americans have won over 25 congressional medals of honor. During WWR2 Mexican-Americans won more congressional medals of honor per capita than any other ethnic group.

My moms 2 uncles were fighter pilots in the Vietnam war and spent a career in the Air Force. Alot of my relatives have served in the USA military.


A indian alien like Fractal will always be an alien in the USA and are treated as an alien race.

There are also some Indians in USA military. See this marine doing Punjabi Bhangra dance in Iraq.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyiBLBucA0o

[Isleño]

I definitely see you as old stock American. And don't mind Ross, he lashes out like a venomous dog and bites whoever gets in his way of promoting Indian Americans as the ideal model minority.

I get why White Americans are concerned about the demographic shift. I agree that the change has been quick and has been profound. I also agree that the immigration process should be more selective in bringing in people with skills we actually need here.

However, your point about population replacement could also have been used to frame the waves of Southern and Eastern Europeans who came to this country in the late 19th century and early 20th century. They were arguably just as foreign to the Anglo American way of life and culture as many non-White immigrants are today. It's just that they were eventually given the white moniker. While non-Whites were not. But tell me, what is the qualitative difference between a 3rd or 4th generation Japanese or Chinese American and a 4th generation Polish/Italian American? There isn't. Most likely based on statistics the Asian American would probably be even more productive.

Certain areas of the US already have huge multi generational Asian Americans forming the majority or a great portion of the base population from Hawaii to the Bay Area, and those societies work fine and smoothly.
I'm not worried about Ross. I'm not on bad terms with him and he does not bother me. And yes, I did start off talking about it would be better to have skilled immigrants come here to contribute than unskilled immigrants. Anyone with a half a brain would see that as a better situation.

But then the conversation went south because this Dominican got all butt hurt because I was sticking up for the white American population as they are on their way to becoming minorities in just 26 years, when only 50 years ago they were 90% of the population. I identify as white racially, but obviously I'm not Anglo, so being a white Hispanic, I'm not even the majority, even though I'm racially white. But that's not the reason why I made the argument. I mentioned there are accusations that Trump wants to "make America white again". But just listen to that phrase, America was once very white only a few decades ago. And what was wrong with America being white? It was white when everyone wanted to come here, but now it's a crime to be the nation they have been for the last 200 years? The immigration laws were changed in 1965 by liberals to have 95% of the US's immigration be non-traditional, non-white. So for 50 years, the US has been taking 1 million mostly non-whites into the country for 52 years. It's even different than it was was when I was a kid. The change is happening rapidly. So now, the host population, is scheduled to become minorities of 49% of the nation in just 26 years. At that point, within 100 years, the White Americans will have been cut in half in percentage. No nation in the history of the world has lost half its host population in less than 100 years.

So since I made this a point of debate and not the normal talking points such as border security, visas, merit based programs, because I mentioned whites as a race, I was called a racist by a slanderer. But I'm not afraid of that word racist. The truth is simple. If China let in 1 million non-Asians for 52 years and long enough to become a minority of only 49% of China in less than 100 years, would anyone call them racists for wanting to keep China Chinese? That is my point. Since when would it be a crime or racist to want to keep China chinese? You get my point? There is nothing wrong with having a minority population, but when immigration because so large that it threatens to replace half of the host population in less than 100 years? That's a fucking problem.

I get your point about Poles coming in, Italians, Russians etc. and that's a very valid point and I'd make the same point in that time period. But the truth is, the European descendants have melted into a Euromix population and have become one mainly: white American. So in 1950, the US was 90% white American. But when whites seek to want to hold on to what they had or have, it's a slanderfest with accusations of racism. I'm not even Anglo. Whatever happens with Anglos does not even affect me. But I'm not in favor of the host population of any nation becoming a minority in less than 100 years. Be it India, China, the US, European nations or whatever. But some people without rationale can't digest that. To them, to focus on race is racist, especially if the topic is white folks. I could talk about keeping Saudi Arabia Arab and no one would blink an eye.

As for 3rd and 4th generation Asians like Chinese or Mexicans that were part of the southwest when it became the US, they are part of the US and rightfully so. I'm all for all Americans succeeding regardless of race, as I respect all races. But there is a valid point I made about the population replacement of the white American population, which is in fact happening.

But this Dominican wants to bring up that my people were in 2nd class schools back then or the likes, but that's lies. My people were not treated any different than other local Louisiana ethnic groups such as Cajuns. But if dude wants to be butt hurt, be my guest. I won't take back what I said because it's the truth. Sometimes the truth is not so pleasant. I'm making a valid point and this dude wants to undermine that with slander of racism. That's bullshit. It's not racism to keep a country with the same population of people. Actually it's more racist to support the population replacement no matter what color or nation it is. And that my word, Zhao.

[Isleño]

Spaniards and Mexicans founded California,Arizona,Texas,New Mexico,Colorado and cities like Los Angeles,San Francisco,San Jose
Albuquerque,El Paso,Santa Fe,Santa Barbara,San Diego,Tuscon,San Gabriel,Monterey,Los Gatos,San Antonio etc.

Mexican-Americans fought in both sides of the American civil war.Fought in WWR1,WW2,Korean War,Vietnam war,Iraq war etc.
Mexican-Americans have won over 25 congressional medals of honor. During WWR2 Mexican-Americans won more congressional medals of honor per capita than any other ethnic group.

My moms 2 uncles were fighter pilots in the Vietnam war and spent a career in the Air Force. Alot of my relatives have served in the USA military.


A indian alien like Fractal will always be an alien in the USA and are treated as an alien race.
That's absolutely right and to me, Spanish-Americans and Mexican-Americans that founded those states are true Americans in those states and are part of the founder population like my people are in Louisiana. They have every right to be here as we do.

[Isleño]

Spaniards and Mexicans founded California,Arizona,Texas,New Mexico,Colorado and cities like Los Angeles,San Francisco,San Jose
Albuquerque,El Paso,Santa Fe,Santa Barbara,San Diego,Tuscon,San Gabriel,Monterey,Los Gatos,San Antonio etc.

Mexican-Americans fought in both sides of the American civil war.Fought in WWR1,WW2,Korean War,Vietnam war,Iraq war etc.
Mexican-Americans have won over 25 congressional medals of honor. During WWR2 Mexican-Americans won more congressional medals of honor per capita than any other ethnic group.

My moms 2 uncles were fighter pilots in the Vietnam war and spent a career in the Air Force. Alot of my relatives have served in the USA military.


A indian alien like Fractal will always be an alien in the USA and are treated as an alien race.
My people the Canarians we also founded San Antonio, Texas.

[zhaoyun]

I'm not worried about Ross. I'm not on bad terms with him and he does not bother me. And yes, I did start off talking about it would be better to have skilled immigrants come here to contribute than unskilled immigrants. Anyone with a half a brain would see that as a better situation.

But then the conversation went south because this Dominican got all butt hurt because I was sticking up for the white American population as they are on their way to becoming minorities in just 26 years, when only 50 years ago they were 90% of the population. I identify as white racially, but obviously I'm not Anglo, so being a white Hispanic, I'm not even the majority, even though I'm racially white. But that's not the reason why I made the argument. I mentioned there are accusations that Trump wants to "make America white again". But just listen to that phrase, America was once very white only a few decades ago. And what was wrong with America being white? It was white when everyone wanted to come here, but now it's a crime to be the nation they have been for the last 200 years? The immigration laws were changed in 1965 by liberals to have 95% of the US's immigration be non-traditional, non-white. So for 50 years, the US has been taking 1 million mostly non-whites into the country for 52 years. It's even different than it was was when I was a kid. The change is happening rapidly. So now, the host population, is scheduled to become minorities of 49% of the nation in just 26 years. At that point, within 100 years, the White Americans will have been cut in half in percentage. No nation in the history of the world has lost half its host population in less than 100 years.

So since I made this a point of debate and not the normal talking points such as border security, visas, merit based programs, because I mentioned whites as a race, I was called a racist by a slanderer. But I'm not afraid of that word racist. The truth is simple. If China let in 1 million non-Asians for 52 years and long enough to become a minority of only 49% of China in less than 100 years, would anyone call them racists for wanting to keep China Chinese? That is my point. Since when would it be a crime or racist to want to keep China chinese? You get my point? There is nothing wrong with having a minority population, but when immigration because so large that it threatens to replace half of the host population in less than 100 years? That's a fucking problem.

I get your point about Poles coming in, Italians, Russians etc. and that's a very valid point and I'd make the same point in that time period. But the truth is, the European descendants have melted into a Euromix population and have become one mainly: white American. So in 1950, the US was 90% white American. But when whites seek to want to hold on to what they had or have, it's a slanderfest with accusations of racism. I'm not even Anglo. Whatever happens with Anglos does not even affect me. But I'm not in favor of the host population of any nation becoming a minority in less than 100 years. Be it India, China, the US, European nations or whatever. But some people without rationale can't digest that. To them, to focus on race is racist, especially if the topic is white folks. I could talk about keeping Saudi Arabia Arab and no one would blink an eye.

As for 3rd and 4th generation Asians like Chinese or Mexicans that were part of the southwest when it became the US, they are part of the US and rightfully so. I'm all for all Americans succeeding regardless of race, as I respect all races. But there is a valid point I made about the population replacement of the white American population, which is in fact happening.

But this Dominican wants to bring up that my people were in 2nd class schools back then or the likes, but that's lies. My people were not treated any different than other local Louisiana ethnic groups such as Cajuns. But if dude wants to be butt hurt, be my guest. I won't take back what I said because it's the truth. Sometimes the truth is not so pleasant. I'm making a valid point and this dude wants to undermine that with slander of racism. That's bullshit. It's not racism to keep a country with the same population of people. Actually it's more racist to support the population replacement no matter what color or nation it is. And that my word, Zhao.

I understand where you are coming from. And yes, obviously I can understand why many Whites would be concerned about losing their majority status. I think this would be less of a concern if all minorities have achieved the same socio-economic status and have acculturated into mainstream American society at the same rate, but I get it. I would be very concerned to living in a society that was mainly non-White, uneducated and poor, I'd probably be the victim or target of crime. It's a real concern. I don't want to live in a South Africa situation.

At the same time, like the prior immigrants melded into a general White identity by being American. I think many of the non-White minorities will meld in with the existing populations and form a new general American identity. My point is that this will take time and maybe the change has been too fast. American society needs time to absorb these new populations.

Also, the comparison with China isn't apt. China isn't an immigrant society like the US, Brazil or Australia. The vast majority of Americans are not even native to this land.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

I'm not worried about Ross. I'm not on bad terms with him and he does not bother me. And yes, I did start off talking about it would be better to have skilled immigrants come here to contribute than unskilled immigrants. Anyone with a half a brain would see that as a better situation.

But then the conversation went south because this Dominican got all butt hurt because I was sticking up for the white American population as they are on their way to becoming minorities in just 26 years, when only 50 years ago they were 90% of the population. I identify as white racially, but obviously I'm not Anglo, so being a white Hispanic, I'm not even the majority, even though I'm racially white. But that's not the reason why I made the argument. I mentioned there are accusations that Trump wants to "make America white again". But just listen to that phrase, America was once very white only a few decades ago. And what was wrong with America being white? It was white when everyone wanted to come here, but now it's a crime to be the nation they have been for the last 200 years? The immigration laws were changed in 1965 by liberals to have 95% of the US's immigration be non-traditional, non-white. So for 50 years, the US has been taking 1 million mostly non-whites into the country for 52 years. It's even different than it was was when I was a kid. The change is happening rapidly. So now, the host population, is scheduled to become minorities of 49% of the nation in just 26 years. At that point, within 100 years, the White Americans will have been cut in half in percentage. No nation in the history of the world has lost half its host population in less than 100 years.

So since I made this a point of debate and not the normal talking points such as border security, visas, merit based programs, because I mentioned whites as a race, I was called a racist by a slanderer. But I'm not afraid of that word racist. The truth is simple. If China let in 1 million non-Asians for 52 years and long enough to become a minority of only 49% of China in less than 100 years, would anyone call them racists for wanting to keep China Chinese? That is my point. Since when would it be a crime or racist to want to keep China chinese? You get my point? There is nothing wrong with having a minority population, but when immigration because so large that it threatens to replace half of the host population in less than 100 years? That's a fucking problem.

I get your point about Poles coming in, Italians, Russians etc. and that's a very valid point and I'd make the same point in that time period. But the truth is, the European descendants have melted into a Euromix population and have become one mainly: white American. So in 1950, the US was 90% white American. But when whites seek to want to hold on to what they had or have, it's a slanderfest with accusations of racism. I'm not even Anglo. Whatever happens with Anglos does not even affect me. But I'm not in favor of the host population of any nation becoming a minority in less than 100 years. Be it India, China, the US, European nations or whatever. But some people without rationale can't digest that. To them, to focus on race is racist, especially if the topic is white folks. I could talk about keeping Saudi Arabia Arab and no one would blink an eye.

As for 3rd and 4th generation Asians like Chinese or Mexicans that were part of the southwest when it became the US, they are part of the US and rightfully so. I'm all for all Americans succeeding regardless of race, as I respect all races. But there is a valid point I made about the population replacement of the white American population, which is in fact happening.

But this Dominican wants to bring up that my people were in 2nd class schools back then or the likes, but that's lies. My people were not treated any different than other local Louisiana ethnic groups such as Cajuns. But if dude wants to be butt hurt, be my guest. I won't take back what I said because it's the truth. Sometimes the truth is not so pleasant. I'm making a valid point and this dude wants to undermine that with slander of racism. That's bullshit. It's not racism to keep a country with the same population of people. Actually it's more racist to support the population replacement no matter what color or nation it is. And that my word, Zhao.

you are really fucking stupid to think im personally butt hurt about anything you said

I asked you plenty of times to make a case. But there is no genocide. Its simply border policy and i asked you to talk about it. You do not. Who gets in, provisions for accepting who and why. What are the rights, obligations and requirements for naturalization and immigration. What are the entitlements to be recieved ect.
You are rambling about population replacement. But not actual policy.

[Isleño]

I understand where you are coming from. And yes, obviously I can understand why many Whites would be concerned about losing their majority status. I think this would be less of a concern if all minorities have achieved the same socio-economic status and have acculturated into mainstream American society at the same rate, but I get it. I would be very concerned to living in a society that was mainly non-White, uneducated and poor, I'd probably be the victim or target of crime. It's a real concern. I don't want to live in a South Africa situation.

At the same time, like the prior immigrants melded into a general White identity by being American. I think many of the non-White minorities will meld in with the existing populations and form a new general American identity. My point is that this will take time and maybe the change has been too fast. American society needs time to absorb these new populations.

Also, the comparison with China isn't apt. China isn't an immigrant society like the US, Brazil or Australia. The vast majority of Americans are not even native to this land.
Of course. No one wants to lose majority status in their own country. And yes, the minorities are already starting to mix among themselves and we may wound up with parallel mixed ethnic groups, one of Euromix, the other of minority mix. And the minorities are here now, it's not like we can make them leave, so they will have to be accepted as Americans in equality. But I think we have enough people here. How about for once, putting the brakes on immigration some and allow Americans to thrive in their nation without competition in all walks of life. Maybe I'm daydreaming, but I think we could become stronger this way.

As for the point I was making, I think white Americans had and have every right to remain the majority like they have for the last 200 years. I mean they created this country out of raw wilderness.

I know China is not a nation built out of immigration. But it was hypothetical. Just to get my point across, I used China. But the point was, when is it racist to want to remain the majority in a country your people created? That's the point. People in the US act like wanting to keep the US from experiencing population replacement is a crime. It's ridiculous. Any host population would be opposed by possibly being completely replaced within 200 years or being bred out. That's common sense.

[Isleño]

you are really fucking stupid to think im personally butt hurt about anything you said

I asked you plenty of times to make a case. But there is no genocide. Its simply border policy and i asked you to talk about it. You do not. Who gets in, provisions for accepting who and why. What are the rights, obligations and requirements for naturalization and immigration. What are the entitlements to be recieved ect.
You are rambling about population replacement. But not actual policy.
I told you don't talk to me you fucking idiot. I don't fool with you anymore.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

I told you don't talk to me you fucking idiot. I don't fool with you anymore.
Moron. If you want to have an idea about or paint the picture of how border policy will be, you have to talk about it. Not ramble about the genocide that doesnt exist

[Isleño]

Moron. If you want to have an idea about or paint the picture of how border policy will be, you have to talk about it. Not ramble about the genocide that doesnt exist

Man, what part of don't talk to me you don't understand you fool? I don't fool with you anymore. You wanna call me scum, well you can get the fuck on. Bye.

[zhaoyun]

Of course. No one wants to lose majority status in their own country. And yes, the minorities are already starting to mix among themselves and we may wound up with parallel mixed ethnic groups, one of Euromix, the other of minority mix. And the minorities are here now, it's not like we can make them leave, so they will have to be accepted as Americans in equality. But I think we have enough people here. How about for once, putting the brakes on immigration some and allow Americans to thrive in their nation without competition in all walks of life. Maybe I'm daydreaming, but I think we could become stronger this way.

As for the point I was making, I think white Americans had and have every right to remain the majority like they have for the last 200 years. I mean they created this country out of raw wilderness.

I know China is not a nation built out of immigration. But it was hypothetical. Just to get my point across, I used China. But the point was, when is it racist to want to remain the majority in a country your people created? That's the point. People in the US act like wanting to keep the US from experiencing population replacement is a crime. It's ridiculous. Any host population would be opposed by possibly being completely replaced within 200 years or being bred out. That's common sense.

Well, the NW Euros lost their majority status a long time ago. They just mixed with the Southern/Eastern Euros to form a new White identity.

I dont know how it is in your neck of the woods, but the minorities in CA mix a lot more with Whites than with each other. There are a lot of Eurasians and half white/half mexicans here. It's not the end of the world like you seem to be painting it. You're starting to sound very paranoid like a wagon circle being surrounded by hostile non Whites. Pretty sure in the South, Blacks mix with Whites more than with other minorities. I've been to the South so I've seen it.

Also, I'm not White but I'm an American. Like I said before, I support having an immigration policy based on our needs and skill sets. At the same time, American identity has continually evolved. There was a time when Italians, Jews, Poles, Irish could never be considered American. It wasn't that long ago actually.

[Isleño]

Well, the NW Euros lost their majority status a long time ago. They just mixed with the Southern/Eastern Euros to form a new White identity.

I dont know how it is in your neck of the woods, but the minorities in CA mix a lot more with Whites than with each other. There are a lot of Eurasians and half white/half mexicans here. It's not the end of the world like you seem to be painting it. You're starting to sound very paranoid like a wagon circle being surrounded by hostile non Whites. Pretty sure in the South, Blacks mix with Whites more than with other minorities. I've been to the South so I've seen it.

Also, I'm not White but I'm an American. Like I said before, I support having an immigration policy based on our needs and skill sets. At the same time, American identity has continually evolved. There was a time when Italians, Jews, Poles, Irish could never be considered American. It wasn't that long ago actually.Its fine. We see things differently. I'm not paranoid though. I'm content living in my little Spanish-American world, Anglos don't influence my world on the bayou.I was just trying to stick up for them since they bitch about it amongst themselves but don't want to bring it up. I was just making a point, since they are not all separate European groups anymore and have merged into one white American group long ago and were this before the immigration laws were changed. This state where I live is still mainly white and black. Not many different minorities here. There is some mixing here or there, but it's not a lot. People are friends and know each other and even party together, but mainly the whites stay with the whites and the blacks with the blacks as far as romance. I think you are just misunderstanding what I'm trying to say. But no biggie, just forget about it.

[RMuller]

As for 3rd and 4th generation Asians like Chinese or Mexicans that were part of the southwest when it became the US, they are part of the US and rightfully so.


So 3rd and 4th generation Mexican-Americans are not part of the USA?

[Kamal900]

So 3rd and 4th generation Mexican-Americans are not part of the USA?

Mexicans are the oldest ethnic group in the US I believe since they were first given citizenship way before any non-European groups.

[RMuller]

There are also some Indians in USA military. See this marine doing Punjabi Bhangra dance in Iraq.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyiBLBucA0o

Mexican-Americans have fought in every American war since the US civil war. Indians weren't even citizens until 1955.

[RMuller]

Mexicans are the oldest ethnic group in the US I believe since they were first given citizenship way before any non-European groups.

Mexicans have been in the USA since 1598. 21 years before the English arrived in Plymouth Rock. Ross's people Indians were excluded from immigrating to the USA for many decades. Indians were allowed to became citizens untill 1955.

Mexicans governed California,Texas,New Mexico and had Mexican mayors in Los Angeles, San Francisco,San Jose,San Antonio,San Diego,Santa Fe, Albuquerque,Santa Barabara,Monterey,Salinas,San Gabriel,El Paso etc. We helped found these cities and states with the Spaniards.

[Kamal900]

Mexicans have been in the USA since 1598. 21 years before the English arrived in Plymouth Rock. Ross's people Indians were excluded from immigrating to the USA for many decades. Indians were allowed to became citizens untill 1955.

Mexicans governed California,Texas,New Mexico and had Mexican mayors in Los Angeles, San Francisco,San Jose,San Antonio,San Diego,Santa Fe, Albuquerque,Santa Barabara,Monterey,Salinas,San Gabriel,El Paso etc. We helped found these cities and states.

It was the immigration act of 1965 where most of them came to the US, yes. Yeah, I believe that California, Texas, New Mexico and etc were once part of Mexico before some delusional Anglo American president(forgot his name) went to attack the Mexicans due to his chauvinistic beliefs of British Israelism.

[Fractal]

It was the immigration act of 1965 where most of them came to the US, yes. Yeah, I believe that California, Texas, New Mexico and etc were once part of Mexico before some delusional Anglo American president(forgot his name) went to attack the Mexicans due to his chauvinistic beliefs of British Israelism.

You both have no idea what you're talking about Hispanics of course have been in the USA far longer than all of the other immigrant groups but that's only because of the geographical proximity of Mexico to the USA. But don't be fooled Hispanics and Spaniards were widely discriminated against and segregated before the 1960s., and were seen by many WASPs as an undesirable racial group (White Anglo Saxon Protestant). I'm not sure why RMuller thinks Hispanics are somehow seen as a superior race of people in the USA when this simply isn't the case.

Long before Latin American immigration became part of the public consciousness, the image of Mexicans as an uncivilized and detestable race developed. Starting in the early 19th century white Americans began to transfer their Anglo-Saxon dominated worldview and its belief in the inferiority of others from the Africans and Native Americans to the Mexican people who they saw as an impediment to progress. The racism of both sides is evident in their arguments. Politicians argued that Mexicans were slow, lazy and more likely to end up on welfare or commit crimes, while farm owners argued that the lower mental capacity of the Mexican made him ideal for repetitive manual labor in the fields

When settlers and investors began looking west for land and resources and realized that Mexico did not share their interests, the notion of inferiority was quickly transferred to the Mexican people as a way to justify expelling them from the region. The historian Reginald Horsman argues that “While the Anglo-Saxons were depicted as the purest of the pure – the finest Caucasians – the Mexicans who stood in the way of Southern expansion were depicted as a mongrel race, adulterated by extensive intermarriage with an inferior Indian race.” They were seen as half-breeds: part Indian, part black, and incapable of building a proper society.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2011/10/2/1021944/-

[Isleño]

So 3rd and 4th generation Mexican-Americans are not part of the USA?

Of course they are. Being here 4generations is completely American. There are many Mexican-Americans in the southwest that are founder populations in their states, just like I am in mine. I think the conversation got out of hand here as some may or may not harbor racist views. But I was making an argument earlier against population replacement post-1965 immigration law change in the US. There are many, many Mexican-Americans that were here before then and are absolutely American. Just as American as I am, no doubt. There are even Mexican-Americans that were on the USA side in the battle at the Alamo for Texas. That's certainly American. I've met some Mexican-Americans from Texas that have been in Texas since before it was a state, as it was once part of México. These people are definitely Americans.

[Isleño]

Mexicans are the oldest ethnic group in the US I believe since they were first given citizenship way before any non-European groups.
They are one of the oldest. But if I'm not mistaken, the oldest in the US are the Spanish-Americans in the St.Augustine, Florida area.

[Isleño]

Mexican-Americans have fought in every American war since the US civil war. Indians weren't even citizens until 1955.

Same with us Isleños of Louisiana, we fought in every American war since the American Revolution.

[Fractal]

They are one of the oldest. But if I'm not mistaken, the oldest in the US are the Spanish-Americans in the St.Augustine, Florida area.

i think you need to get out of louisiana for a bit and go to a modern 21st century state like california, new york, jersey, georgia (atlanta), etc. no one in their right mind asks anyone whether their relatives fought in the american revolution. in fact you sound like a bigoted hillbillly redneck (who actually despise both hispanics and mestizos) rather than some spanish-american.

[EL_BARBARO]

You both have no idea what you're talking about Hispanics of course have been in the USA far longer than all of the other immigrant groups but that's only because of the geographical proximity of Mexico to the USA. But don't be fooled Hispanics and Spaniards were widely discriminated against and segregated before the 1960s., and were seen by many WASPs as an undesirable racial group (White Anglo Saxon Protestant). I'm not sure why RMuller thinks Hispanics are somehow seen as a superior race of people in the USA when this simply isn't the case.

Long before Latin American immigration became part of the public consciousness, the image of Mexicans as an uncivilized and detestable race developed. Starting in the early 19th century white Americans began to transfer their Anglo-Saxon dominated worldview and its belief in the inferiority of others from the Africans and Native Americans to the Mexican people who they saw as an impediment to progress. The racism of both sides is evident in their arguments. Politicians argued that Mexicans were slow, lazy and more likely to end up on welfare or commit crimes, while farm owners argued that the lower mental capacity of the Mexican made him ideal for repetitive manual labor in the fields

When settlers and investors began looking west for land and resources and realized that Mexico did not share their interests, the notion of inferiority was quickly transferred to the Mexican people as a way to justify expelling them from the region. The historian Reginald Horsman argues that “While the Anglo-Saxons were depicted as the purest of the pure – the finest Caucasians – the Mexicans who stood in the way of Southern expansion were depicted as a mongrel race, adulterated by extensive intermarriage with an inferior Indian race.” They were seen as half-breeds: part Indian, part black, and incapable of building a proper society.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2011/10/2/1021944/-


wow, dailykos

practically the bible

[EL_BARBARO]

i think you need to get out of louisiana for a bit and go to a modern 21st century state like california, new york, jersey, georgia (atlanta), etc. no one in their right mind asks anyone whether their relatives fought in the american revolution. in fact you sound like a bigoted hillbillly redneck (who actually despise both hispanics and mestizos) rather than some spanish-american.


I think you need to go out of America forever.

[Fractal]

I think you need to go out of America forever.

I think you need to make me.

[EL_BARBARO]

I think you need to make me.


I think you think too much.

[Fractal]

I think you think too much.

lol.

[Isleño]

Mexicans have been in the USA since 1598. 21 years before the English arrived in Plymouth Rock. Ross's people Indians were excluded from immigrating to the USA for many decades. Indians were allowed to became citizens untill 1955.

Mexicans governed California,Texas,New Mexico and had Mexican mayors in Los Angeles, San Francisco,San Jose,San Antonio,San Diego,Santa Fe, Albuquerque,Santa Barabara,Monterey,Salinas,San Gabriel,El Paso etc. We helped found these cities and states with the Spaniards.
Mexican-Americans are definitely one of the oldest ethnic groups in the USA. But I don't think the same argument can be made for those coming in the last few decades. These people are not connected to the history of the USA, but those that were in the Southwest when they became part of the US are most definitely connected to the US history and are old stock Americans. Actually, Spanish was spoken in North America before English. But I respect that English is the lingua franca of the country today. But this is an important fact we must be aware of. For instance, my people have been in Louisiana, in an isolated settlement on a bayou in St. Bernard Parish, Louisiana since 1778 and English was not spoken in our community until the early 20th century, when new roads built opened up access to English speaking American populations. But that does not take away from our Americaness. There were populations all over southern Louisiana speaking French in the homes well into the 20th century and they all are old stock Americans too.

[EL_BARBARO]

lol.


Take a ship to nowhere.

[Isleño]

i think you need to get out of louisiana for a bit and go to a modern 21st century state like california, new york, jersey, georgia (atlanta), etc. no one in their right mind asks anyone whether their relatives fought in the american revolution. in fact you sound like a bigoted hillbillly redneck (who actually despise both hispanics and mestizos) rather than some spanish-american.
I think you are misunderstanding my comments Ross. I'm not bigoted at all. I have nothing against any race. But we are here speaking about old stock Americans, which the American Revolution is absolutely in the history is these types. It's not common conversation in everyday Louisiana if their relatives were in the American revolution or not. It's just we are here on this site speaking about it because it's relative to old stock Americans and their history. Those of us in Louisiana of old stock don't have to talk about the American Revolution, it's common knowledge to us that we were a part of it. But when we have our yearly fiesta, it does come up when conversations get on about the history of the Spanish Canary Islanders in Louisiana. But it's not everyday conversation.

Also, we are modern here. I don't know what type of picture you have in your head about us down here, but we have modern living just as it's found in California. The city of New Orleans is a major American city and we in the bayous just outside of the city have all the modern amenities of any suburb in California. So please don't be discriminatory against us in this manner.

As for "sounding more like a bigoted hillbilly redneck, (who actually despise both hispanics and mestizos) rather than some spanish-american", well I don't think I sound like that at all. Actually, I think it's bigoted to assume white southerners are "hillbilly rednecks" that hate Hispanics or mestizos. Im fully Hispanic and I've never had any discrimination from them, so I don't hate them. They have done me nothing. And I have nothing against mestizos. Quite the contrary, they share similar cultural and linguistic similarities with my own people, which I find somewhat comforting. And since I'm Hispanic myself, it's pretty hard to hate Hispanics, lol. I am indeed a Spanish-American, but this does not mean I have to hate Anglos, b cause I don't. I'm a southerner and I appreciate all southerners and get along with them all from Anglos to blacks to Chicanos. I think you took my comment in the wrong way Ross.

[Isleño]

Take a ship to nowhere.

Haha, there's actually a cruise ship line in New Orleans that sails from New Orleans into the Gulf of México and into the Caribbean called "the cruise to nowhere" because it goes to the Caribbean Sea, turns around and comes back to Louisiana. It does not dock at a port.

[turbosat]

I think you need to go out of America forever.

You think far too much.

[turbosat]

He cant make you leave, he is not American either while you are American citizen.

[Fractal]

He cant make you leave, he is not American either while you are American citizen.

haha he's gonna fly over to the states and try to get every Gujarati to move back to India, I hope he does the same with all the recent European (including Spanish) arrivals here.

[Fractal]

I think you need to go out of America forever.

Spaniards/Southern Europeans contribute greatly to the United States.

example of a Spanish/Southern European dominated profession: Ballet instructors

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/toMK9vRYzd8/hqdefault.jpg

example of a Gujarati/Indian dominated profession: Nuclear engineer

http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/engineer-sitting-at-control-panel-of-nuclear-power-station-picture-iddv738030?s=612x612

[Isleño]

haha he's gonna fly over to the states and try to get every Gujarati to move back to India, I hope he does the same with all the recent European (including Spanish) arrivals here.

Personally, I think all immigration from all countries should be decreased significantly in the US. I think we have enough people here (over 300 million) and we should focus efforts on bettering the lives of all US citizens, both old stock and new stock. Anyone that holds citizenship in the US today is an American, no matter who may or may not like that. So we have to honor this, being they hold citizenship. However, I don't think we need anymore, whether they be mestizo, white, south Asian or East Asian. Let's help all US citizens, no matter their race or ethnicity.

[Fractal]

Personally, I think all immigration from all countries showed be decreased significantly in the US. I think we have enough people here (over 300 million) and we should focus efforts on bettering the lives of all US citizens, both old stock and new stock. Anyone that holds citizenship in the US today is an American, no matter who may or may not like that. So we have to honor this, being they hold citizenship. However, I don't think we need anymore, whether they be mestizo, white, south Asian or East Asian. Let's help all US citizens, no matter their race or ethnicity.

I would have to agree with this.

[Isleño]

Spaniards/Southern Europeans contribute greatly to the United States.

example of a Spanish/Southern European dominated profession: Ballet instructors

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/toMK9vRYzd8/hqdefault.jpg

example of a Gujarati/Indian dominated profession: Nuclear engineer

http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/engineer-sitting-at-control-panel-of-nuclear-power-station-picture-iddv738030?s=612x612

C'mon now Ross. Don't project your disagreements with Barbaro onto the Spanish contributions to the US. There are many great Spanish contributions to the US during its history. You are insulting all of us by doing this.

[Wanderer]

i think you need to get out of louisiana for a bit and go to a modern 21st century state like california, new york, jersey, georgia (atlanta), etc. no one in their right mind asks anyone whether their relatives fought in the american revolution. in fact you sound like a bigoted hillbillly redneck (who actually despise both hispanics and mestizos) rather than some spanish-american.

Actually, they sure as hell do. What planet are you living on? Americans are fascinated by ancestry, in general. Do websites like ancestry.com ring a bell? It's not used exclusively to trace what regions in Europe various ancestors hail from, but to trace the history of one's ancestry in this country.

Americans who have colonial ancestry and can recount their ancestors' participation in the American Revolution would be remiss if they neglected to do so.

Do you want to know why Italian-Americans celebrate Columbus Day? Why Columbus, after all? It's not like there aren't tons of other Italians to choose from. It's because Columbus discovered America. That's why. The country we love, founded on Ancient Roman frameworks. To an Italian from Italy, Columbus wouldn't necessarily have that much significance.

And nothing wrong with Louisiana either.

[Fractal]

C'mon now Ross. Don't project your disagreements with Barbaro onto the Spanish contributions to the US. There are many great Spanish contributions to the US during its history. You are insulting all of us by doing this.

lol i was just trying to get a response from Barbaro.

[turbosat]

Actually, they sure as hell do. What planet are you living on? Americans are fascinated by ancestry, in general. Do websites like ancestry.com ring a bell? It's not used exclusively to trace what regions in Europe various ancestors hail from, but to trace the history of one's ancestry in this country.

Americans who have colonial ancestry and can recount their ancestors' participation in the American Revolution would be remiss if they neglected to do so.

Do you want to know why Italian-Americans celebrate Columbus Day? Why Columbus, after all? It's not like there aren't tons of other Italians to choose from. It's because Columbus discovered America. That's why. The country we love, founded on Ancient Roman frameworks. To an Italian from Italy, Columbus wouldn't necessarily have that much significance.

And nothing wrong with Louisiana either.

British Americans founded America (USA).

[Wanderer]

Mexican-Americans are definitely one of the oldest ethnic groups in the USA. But I don't think the same argument can be made for those coming in the last few decades. These people are not connected to the history of the USA, but those that were in the Southwest when they became part of the US are most definitely connected to the US history and are old stock Americans. Actually, Spanish was spoken in North America before English. But I respect that English is the lingua franca of the country today. But this is an important fact we must be aware of. For instance, my people have been in Louisiana, in an isolated settlement on a bayou in St. Bernard Parish, Louisiana since 1778 and English was not spoken in our community until the early 20th century, when new roads built opened up access to English speaking American populations. But that does not take away from our Americaness. There were populations all over southern Louisiana speaking French in the homes well into the 20th century and they all are old stock Americans too.

You're right. There's nothing wrong with America being an ethnic mosaic. It's simply undeniable that it is.

I would never want to take away from the Americanness of old stock Hispanic-Americans, especially those whose ancestors have proved their loyalty to this country. The influx of the newer arrivals is problematic. Just the quantity and the concentration of them in certain areas of the Southwest is problematic. I doubt their loyalty to this country, but I am quite willing to be proven wrong on that count.

[Fractal]

Actually, they sure as hell do. What planet are you living on? Americans are fascinated by ancestry, in general. Do websites like ancestry.com ring a bell? It's not used exclusively to trace what regions in Europe various ancestors hail from, but to trace the history of one's ancestry in this country.

Americans who have colonial ancestry and can recount their ancestors' participation in the American Revolution would be remiss if they neglected to do so.

Do you want to know why Italian-Americans celebrate Columbus Day? Why Columbus, after all? It's not like there aren't tons of other Italians to choose from. It's because Columbus discovered America. That's why. The country we love, founded on Ancient Roman frameworks. To an Italian from Italy, Columbus wouldn't necessarily have that much significance.

And nothing wrong with Louisiana either.

How many colonial stock Americans fought in the American Revolution? I'd say no more than 250,000 soldiers which leads me to estimate no more than 5% of the current U.S. population are direct descendants of Revolutionary War soldiers.

[Wanderer]

British Americans founded America (USA).

Of course they did. :thumb001: I don't know why you mention this, as if it were in dispute. I merely stated Columbus discovered America, and thus set the whole process in motion. AND that America was founded on an Ancient Roman framework. Largely done so by Anglo-Americans, of course (although I have to mention that a fair share of Italians fought for America in the Revolutionary War, too).

[Isleño]

Actually, they sure as hell do. What planet are you living on? Americans are fascinated by ancestry, in general. Do websites like ancestry.com ring a bell? It's not used exclusively to trace what regions in Europe various ancestors hail from, but to trace the history of one's ancestry in this country.

Americans who have colonial ancestry and can recount their ancestors' participation in the American Revolution would be remiss if they neglected to do so.

Do you want to know why Italian-Americans celebrate Columbus Day? Why Columbus, after all? It's not like there aren't tons of other Italians to choose from. It's because Columbus discovered America. That's why. The country we love, founded on Ancient Roman frameworks. To an Italian from Italy, Columbus wouldn't necessarily have that much significance.

And nothing wrong with Louisiana either.
Louisiana is awesome, people come from all over the world to experience our cultures and food.

[Wanderer]

How many colonial stock Americans fought in the American Revolution? I'd say no more than 250,000 soldiers which leads me to estimate no more than 5% of the current U.S. population are direct descendants of Revolutionary War soldiers.

It's ironic that you have the username "fractal"... think of it like a family tree.

http://www.roadschooled.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/fractals-in-nature-fractal-tree.jpg

1776 was 241 years ago. 25 years per generation equals roughly 9 generations. 2^9 = 512. If all your ancestry is colonial, there's a pretty good chance you have some patriots in the pile.

[Kamal900]

Louisiana is awesome, people come from all over the world to experience our cultures and food.

I've heard the state have the best sea food cuisine in the country. I want to visit the state one day.

[Isleño]

British Americans founded America (USA).

This is true. They are the founders of the nation, starting in 1776 with the history in the former British 13 colonies. But remember, most of the US of today belonged to Spain and France so most of the founders of these states were Spanish-Americans, Mexican-Americans and French-Americans. Most of the upper south were founded by British/Irish/Scottish descent, but the lower South such as Louisiana and Florida, coastal Mississippi and Alabama and even Texas, wer founded by Latins such as Spanish, French and Mexicans. The original USA consisted of 13 states, but today there are 50 states. Lots of founders in most of the current US states were not British descent.

[Isleño]

You're right. There's nothing wrong with America being an ethnic mosaic. It's simply undeniable that it is.

I would never want to take away from the Americanness of old stock Hispanic-Americans, especially those whose ancestors have proved their loyalty to this country. The influx of the newer arrivals is problematic. Just the quantity and the concentration of them in certain areas of the Southwest is problematic. I doubt their loyalty to this country, but I am quite willing to be proven wrong on that count.
I can see what you are saying.

[Isleño]

How many colonial stock Americans fought in the American Revolution? I'd say no more than 250,000 soldiers which leads me to estimate no more than 5% of the current U.S. population are direct descendants of Revolutionary War soldiers.Not all early Americans fought in the American Revolution. A large percentage of Americans descend from early America, but not all of those fought in the war. However, there are many that did fight and their descendants today would number in the millions.

[Isleño]

Of course they did. :thumb001: I don't know why you mention this, as if it were in dispute. I merely stated Columbus discovered America, and thus set the whole process in motion. AND that America was founded on an Ancient Roman framework. Largely done so by Anglo-Americans, of course (although I have to mention that a fair share of Italians fought for America in the Revolutionary War, too).
Italian-Americans love Columbus. Spanish-Americans love him too. I think most white Americans of the 20th century loved Columbus too. I think many liberals of any race today hate Columbus though. I think Italian-Americans love Columbus because it's their link to the colonial Americas. Also because he was an Italian famous explorer.

[Isleño]

It's ironic that you have the username "fractal"... think of it like a family tree.

http://www.roadschooled.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/fractals-in-nature-fractal-tree.jpg

1776 was 241 years ago. 25 years per generation equals roughly 9 generations. 2^9 = 512. If all your ancestry is colonial, there's a pretty good chance you have some patriots in the pile.All of my male ancestors of the period when the American Revolution happened, fought in the Revolution. Reason for this was, Spain originally brought us here as soldiers to defend New Orleans from the British when Louisiana was under Spanish rule. We were already trained and equipped to fight, so my community was fully engaged in the American Revolution via the male members of my community. Throughout American history, we have been part of the US military in all American wars, spilling blood for all Americans.

[Isleño]

I've heard the state have the best sea food cuisine in the country. I want to visit the state one day.

We have fabulous seafood dishes. Louisiana's cuisine is a blend of Europe, Africa, Latin America, the Caribbean and Native America, as people from all these regions have made Louisiana home since colonial times.

[turbosat]

This is true. They are the founders of the nation, starting in 1776 with the history in the former British 13 colonies. But remember, most of the US of today belonged to Spain and France so most of the founders of these states were Spanish-Americans, Mexican-Americans and French-Americans. Most of the upper south were founded by British/Irish/Scottish descent, but the lower South such as Louisiana and Florida, coastal Mississippi and Alabama and even Texas, wer founded by Latins such as Spanish, French and Mexicans. The original USA consisted of 13 states, but today there are 50 states. Lots of founders in most of the current US states were not British descent.

What you said is true, but the Anglos created the whole system in the USA all over including Texas and the rest. Also the natives were harmed and wiped out almost completely in many places by the Spanish which was a very bad thing to do. Like in Florida the natives were killed off by Spanish in a very horrible way such that even their women had to fight alongside their men against the Spanish to try to save themselves (as per what I read).

[EL_BARBARO]

What you said is true, but the Anglos created the whole system in the USA all over including Texas and the rest. Also the natives were harmed and wiped out almost completely in many places by the Spanish which was a very bad thing to do. Like in Florida the natives were killed off by Spanish in a very horrible way such that even their women had to fight alongside their men against the Spanish to try to save themselves (as per what I read).


Yeah and after that, we ate them at a barbacue.

It was a pity that Portuguese navigators arrived first to India.

[turbosat]

Yeah and after that, we ate them at a barbacue.

It was a pity that Portuguese navigators arrived first to India.

Next you will say 200 Portugese defeated 200,000 Indians in Goa in 1961 and then gave Goa back to India as a gift. You live in your dreamworld.

[RMuller]

Do you want to know why Italian-Americans celebrate Columbus Day? Why Columbus, after all? It's not like there aren't tons of other Italians to choose from. It's because Columbus discovered America. That's why. The country we love, founded on Ancient Roman frameworks.

Columbus never set foot in the USA. Columbus worked for Spain.

[zhaoyun]

Its fine. We see things differently. I'm not paranoid though. I'm content living in my little Spanish-American world, Anglos don't influence my world on the bayou.I was just trying to stick up for them since they bitch about it amongst themselves but don't want to bring it up. I was just making a point, since they are not all separate European groups anymore and have merged into one white American group long ago and were this before the immigration laws were changed. This state where I live is still mainly white and black. Not many different minorities here. There is some mixing here or there, but it's not a lot. People are friends and know each other and even party together, but mainly the whites stay with the whites and the blacks with the blacks as far as romance. I think you are just misunderstanding what I'm trying to say. But no biggie, just forget about it.

I've been to Louisiana and the South, so I know it's still generally segregated there, although that's also changed. I think what's changed the most is how the races treat each other, whereas in the past, there was open hostility, now they keep it friendly but still generally segregated.

It's different in California though, race is not that big of an issue, and people generally have close friends or spouses of other races.

[zhaoyun]

Personally, I think all immigration from all countries should be decreased significantly in the US. I think we have enough people here (over 300 million) and we should focus efforts on bettering the lives of all US citizens, both old stock and new stock. Anyone that holds citizenship in the US today is an American, no matter who may or may not like that. So we have to honor this, being they hold citizenship. However, I don't think we need anymore, whether they be mestizo, white, south Asian or East Asian. Let's help all US citizens, no matter their race or ethnicity.

I agree that we can probably significantly cut immigration. We definitely do not need any more low skilled labor immigrating here, the working class is already suffering here, they don't need more competition. With the rise of AI, their situation will probably become even worse.

I still think we should have selective immigration that will allow the best to come here, especially those from scientific backgrounds. I travel to China all the time, and I can tell you without a doubt that we will be facing a major challenge in the next 10-20 years from China in nearly all aspects of technological supremacy. The size and scale of investment into the sciences they are building is tremendous and they are educating millions of new engineers every year. They are retooling their once low skilled labor force into a high skilled labor force and will eventually have tens of millions of engineers, not to mention vast amounts of capital (their fintech is already the largest in the world, overtook the US two years ago), plus an all powerful government that is decisively building the infrastructure needed to facilitate leadership in technology. I'm not exaggerating any of this, you guys can google it yourself, it's pretty amazing how clueless most Americans are of what's happening there.

We need high skilled labor if we are going to stay competitive. We need to still attract the best in the world.

[RMuller]

The influx of the newer arrivals is problematic. Just the quantity and the concentration of them in certain areas of the Southwest is problematic.

They said the same thing about the Germans in Pennsylvania the catholics in Maryland,Italians and Jews in NYC etc etc.



I doubt their loyalty to this country, but I am quite willing to be proven wrong on that count.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foreign-born_Medal_of_Honor_recipients

3 OF THE 14 CONGRESSIONAL MEDALS OF HONORS awarded during wwr2 were BORN IN MEXICO. Mexicans were ranked 1st among foreign born medal of honor winners during wwr2.

Marcario García
Staff Sergeant Marcario García[1] also known as Macario García [note 1] (January 20, 1920 – December 24, 1972) was the first Mexican immigrant to receive the Medal of Honor, the United States' highest military decoration. He received the award for his heroic actions as a soldier during World War II.
http://ncojournal.dodlive.mil/files/2013/11/macgarciaFT.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcario_Garc%C3%ADa




Silvestre S. Herrera
Silvestre Santana Herrera (July 17, 1917 – November 26, 2007) was a Private First Class of the United States Army who received the Medal of Honor for his heroic actions in Mertzwiller, France during World War II.
Born in Camargo Chihuahua,Mexico
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silvestre_S._Herrera
http://herrera.phxschools.org/common/images/herrera/Silvestre_Herrera.jpg

With President Truman
http://www.homeofheroes.com/profiles/moh_herrera_truman.jpg





Pedro Cano
Pedro Cano (June 19, 1920 – June 24, 1952) is a World War II veteran who received the Medal of Honor for his actions in combat near Schevenhütte, Germany in December 1944.
Cano was born in La Morita, Nuevo Leon, Mexico. He moved to the United States into the small community of Edinburg, Texas when he was 2 months old.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/61/Pedro_Cano_portrait.jpg/1200px-Pedro_Cano_portrait.jpg
https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/find-a-grave-prod/photos/2014/314/125469733_1415735345.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_Cano





3 of the 8 FOREIGN BORN Vietnam WAR CONGRESSIONAL MEDALS OF HONOR winners WERE BORN IN MEXICO. Mexicans are ranked #1 among foreign born medal of honor winners during Vietnam.


Jesus S. Duran
Jesus Santiago Duran (July 26, 1948 – February 17, 1977) was a U.S. Army veteran of the Vietnam War, and a recipient of the Medal of Honor.
Duran was born, July 26, 1948, in Juarez, Mexico. He was the sixth of twelve siblings.[1]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/83/JesusSDuran243.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_S._Duran




José F. Jiménez
José Francisco "Jo Jo" Jiménez (March 20, 1946 – August 28, 1969) was a United States Marine Corps Lance Corporal who posthumously received the Medal of Honor for heroism in the Vietnam War in August 1969.
José Jimémez was born on March 20, 1946, in Mexico City, Mexico.
http://www.braceros.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/jimenez_jose.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_F._Jim%C3%A9nez




Alfred V. Rascon
Alfred Velazquez Rascon[1] (born September 10, 1945) is a retired United States Army lieutenant colonel. In 2000, he was awarded the Medal of Honor—the United States' highest military decoration—for his actions as a medic near Long Khánh Province during the Vietnam War.
Rascon was born in Chihuahua, Mexico on September 10, 1945, as the only child of Alfredo and Andrea Rascon.
The Rascon family, in search of a better way of life, emigrated to the United States. They settled in Oxnard, California, where Rascon received his primary and secondary education. On August 1963, he graduated from Oxnard High School and enlisted in the United States Army.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/78/Alfred_V._Rascon.jpg/1200px-Alfred_V._Rascon.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/39/Alfred_Rascon_Medal_of_Honor_presentation.jpg/200px-Alfred_Rascon_Medal_of_Honor_presentation.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_V._Rascon



LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO PEOPLE DOUBTING MEXICANS LOYALTY TO THE USA

[Wanderer]

They said the same thing about the Germans in Pennsylvania the catholics in Maryland,Italians and Jews in NYC etc etc.

And they had valid concerns at the time, but that was a different era. German-Americans and Italian-Americans en masse proved their loyalty to the USA in both World Wars, even against their ancestral homelands. For Italian-Americans, "becoming" American came a little later: i.e., after WWII.


LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO PEOPLE DOUBTING MEXICANS LOYALTY TO THE USAI'm glad you think it's a settled matter. I would prefer it be that way. However, I am not so convinced.

[turbosat]

They said the same thing about the Germans in Pennsylvania the catholics in Maryland,Italians and Jews in NYC etc etc.



LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO PEOPLE DOUBTING MEXICANS LOYALTY TO THE USA

Why does Trump want to build a wall on Mexican border?

[RMuller]

Why does Trump want to build a wall on Mexican border?

You should have asked why did Trump dodge the Vietnam War.

[Isleño]

What you said is true, but the Anglos created the whole system in the USA all over including Texas and the rest. Also the natives were harmed and wiped out almost completely in many places by the Spanish which was a very bad thing to do. Like in Florida the natives were killed off by Spanish in a very horrible way such that even their women had to fight alongside their men against the Spanish to try to save themselves (as per what I read).Not all Spaniards participated in what you speak of. Those were conquistadors that were involved in active war with Native American tribes. My people came much later than the initial conquest of the Americas. We arrived in Louisiana in 1777-1778. We actually traded with the local Indian groups like the Choctaw, Colapissas, Chippewas and Houmas. We were not involved in the war between the Conquistadors and the Amerindians. Actually, at our yearly fiesta, there is a Houma Indian exhibit showcasing their traditional huts they lived in:

http://www.bucketofmud.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/IMG_4253.jpg


The hut is right next to a row of old Canarian-Spanish Louisiana houses (the classic type from colonial times we lived in):

https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/0c/77/d0/88/two-houses-in-the-village.jpg

https://media.mobilerving.com/mrvthebuzz/contentbuilder/uploads/islenos-1100x600-vvw2ow.jpg

You see, we were peaceful people that did not participate in the war or humiliation of Amerinds or blacks. We didn't have slaves either. We were a community of Canarian Spanish that stayed to ourselves, but we traded with the Indians and the French. But we were put here to defend New Orleans from the British during colonial times. We arrived under the Spanish. After Spanish rule, we had a short term under the 2nd French rule of Louisiana then when Napoleon sold Louisiana to the US, we were right along with it.

I think you are reading into the wars between Conquistadors and Amerinds and are projecting that onto all of us of Spanish descent. But truth is, most Spaniards and Spanish-America were not involved in those wars. My people sure were not, so I take no responsibility for what you speak of.

And most of my Canarian Spanish people in Latin America weren't involved in it either.

[zhaoyun]

Not all Spaniards participated in what you speak of. Those were conquistadors that were involved in active war with Native American tribes. My people came much later than the initial conquest of the Americas. We arrived in Louisiana in 1777-1778. We actually traded with the local Indian groups like the Choctaw, Colapissas, Chippewas and Houmas. We were not involved in the war between the Conquistadors and the Amerindians. Actually, at our yearly fiesta, there is a Houma Indian exhibit showcasing their traditional huts they lived in:

http://www.bucketofmud.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/IMG_4253.jpg


The hut is right next to a row of old Canarian-Spanish Louisiana houses (the classic type from colonial times we lived in):

https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/0c/77/d0/88/two-houses-in-the-village.jpg

https://media.mobilerving.com/mrvthebuzz/contentbuilder/uploads/islenos-1100x600-vvw2ow.jpg

You see, we were peaceful people that did not participate in the war or humiliation of Amerinds or blacks. We didn't have slaves either. We were a community of Canarian Spanish that stayed to ourselves, but we traded with the Indians and the French. But we were put here to defend New Orleans from the British during colonial times. We arrived under the Spanish. After Spanish rule, we had a short term under the 2nd French rule of Louisiana then when Napoleon sold Louisiana to the US, we were right along with it.

I think you are reading into the wars between Conquistadors and Amerinds and are projecting that onto all of us of Spanish descent. But truth is, most Spaniards and Spanish-America were not involved in those wars. My people sure were not, so I take no responsibility for what you speak of.

And most of my Canarian Spanish people in Latin America weren't involved in it either.

It's pretty cool that you guys managed to keep your local culture and identity alive after so many centuries, kind of similar to the Cajuns down there.

[RMuller]

They said the same thing about the Germans in Pennsylvania the catholics in Maryland,Italians and Jews in NYC etc etc.




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foreign-born_Medal_of_Honor_recipients

3 OF THE 14 CONGRESSIONAL MEDALS OF HONORS awarded during wwr2 were BORN IN MEXICO. Mexicans were ranked 1st among foreign born medal of honor winners during wwr2.

Marcario García
Staff Sergeant Marcario García[1] also known as Macario García [note 1] (January 20, 1920 – December 24, 1972) was the first Mexican immigrant to receive the Medal of Honor, the United States' highest military decoration. He received the award for his heroic actions as a soldier during World War II.
http://ncojournal.dodlive.mil/files/2013/11/macgarciaFT.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcario_Garc%C3%ADa




Silvestre S. Herrera
Silvestre Santana Herrera (July 17, 1917 – November 26, 2007) was a Private First Class of the United States Army who received the Medal of Honor for his heroic actions in Mertzwiller, France during World War II.
Born in Camargo Chihuahua,Mexico
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silvestre_S._Herrera
http://herrera.phxschools.org/common/images/herrera/Silvestre_Herrera.jpg

With President Truman
http://www.homeofheroes.com/profiles/moh_herrera_truman.jpg





Pedro Cano
Pedro Cano (June 19, 1920 – June 24, 1952) is a World War II veteran who received the Medal of Honor for his actions in combat near Schevenhütte, Germany in December 1944.
Cano was born in La Morita, Nuevo Leon, Mexico. He moved to the United States into the small community of Edinburg, Texas when he was 2 months old.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/61/Pedro_Cano_portrait.jpg/1200px-Pedro_Cano_portrait.jpg
https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/find-a-grave-prod/photos/2014/314/125469733_1415735345.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_Cano





3 of the 8 FOREIGN BORN Vietnam WAR CONGRESSIONAL MEDALS OF HONOR winners WERE BORN IN MEXICO. Mexicans are ranked #1 among foreign born medal of honor winners during Vietnam.


Jesus S. Duran
Jesus Santiago Duran (July 26, 1948 – February 17, 1977) was a U.S. Army veteran of the Vietnam War, and a recipient of the Medal of Honor.
Duran was born, July 26, 1948, in Juarez, Mexico. He was the sixth of twelve siblings.[1]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/83/JesusSDuran243.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_S._Duran




José F. Jiménez
José Francisco "Jo Jo" Jiménez (March 20, 1946 – August 28, 1969) was a United States Marine Corps Lance Corporal who posthumously received the Medal of Honor for heroism in the Vietnam War in August 1969.
José Jimémez was born on March 20, 1946, in Mexico City, Mexico.
http://www.braceros.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/jimenez_jose.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_F._Jim%C3%A9nez




Alfred V. Rascon
Alfred Velazquez Rascon[1] (born September 10, 1945) is a retired United States Army lieutenant colonel. In 2000, he was awarded the Medal of Honor—the United States' highest military decoration—for his actions as a medic near Long Khánh Province during the Vietnam War.
Rascon was born in Chihuahua, Mexico on September 10, 1945, as the only child of Alfredo and Andrea Rascon.
The Rascon family, in search of a better way of life, emigrated to the United States. They settled in Oxnard, California, where Rascon received his primary and secondary education. On August 1963, he graduated from Oxnard High School and enlisted in the United States Army.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/78/Alfred_V._Rascon.jpg/1200px-Alfred_V._Rascon.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/39/Alfred_Rascon_Medal_of_Honor_presentation.jpg/200px-Alfred_Rascon_Medal_of_Honor_presentation.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_V._Rascon



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21.4% -3 of 14 of the foreign born congressional medal of honor winners FROM WWR2 were born in Mexico . Mexican born ranked 1st in foreign born congressional medal of honor winners.

37.5% -3 of 8 of the foreign congressional medal honor winners from the Vietnam war were born in Mexico.Mexican born ranked 1st in foreign born congressional medal of honor winners .

Incredible Mexicans were only 6% of all foreign born by 1960 .

http://california-mexicocenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/PH_2015-09-28_immigration-through-2065-53.png

[RMuller]

I'm glad you think it's a settled matter. I would prefer it be that way. However, I am not so convinced.

Not one Mexican American or Mexican immigrant has ever been caught or convicted for treason or spying on the USA .Not one Mexican-American or Mexican immigrant has ever been caught stealing and passing American secrets,technology etc to Mexico.

Some other ethnicities have been caught and convicted stealing american secrets and technology and passing it off to their "mother countries".

[Wanderer]

Not one Mexican American or Mexican immigrant has ever been caught or convicted for treason or spying on the USA .Not one Mexican-American or Mexican immigrant has ever been caught stealing and passing American secrets,technology etc to Mexico.

Some other ethnicities have been caught and convicted stealing american secrets and technology and passing it off to their "mother countries".That's great, but it proves absolutely nothing. Even if a single individual from a certain ethnicity did such a thing, it wouldn't necessarily tarnish that entire ethnicity. This matter pertains to collectives and not individuals.

There's something of an elephant in the room here. In the case of Mexican-Americans, there's really an entirely different dynamic. We share a border with Mexico, and many regions in close proximity to the border have become much more Mexican, demographically, than before. And not just generally "Hispanic," but specifically Mexican. That's quite problematic. In the case of Europeans, we don't share a border (the Russians in Alaska don't really count, IMO), and there's no danger of a foreign power encroaching on our soil.

[Isleño]

I've been to Louisiana and the South, so I know it's still generally segregated there, although that's also changed. I think what's changed the most is how the races treat each other, whereas in the past, there was open hostility, now they keep it friendly but still generally segregated.

It's different in California though, race is not that big of an issue, and people generally have close friends or spouses of other races.Race is not a big issue here either. Actually, no one really ever mentions it. We all get along fine and are friendly to each other. Yes, will still self segregate into our own neighborhoods and communities, but we do that out of habit. That doesn't mean we are not friendly to each other or don't visit each other's neighborhoods, because we do. I think there is some discriminatory thinking from the north and the west that we hate each other and don't speak to each other. But that's not true at all. Especially in Louisiana where we have a culture of celebration and everyone is welcome to celebrate with us. Besides, even in the old days, my Canarian Spanish community wasn't even involved in those racial episodes. But the south is different in the 21st century. Just the only thing the same is we prefer to live in neighborhoods filled with our own ethnicity. But I think that happens in all parts of the country.

[Isleño]

I agree that we can probably significantly cut immigration. We definitely do not need any more low skilled labor immigrating here, the working class is already suffering here, they don't need more competition. With the rise of AI, their situation will probably become even worse.

I still think we should have selective immigration that will allow the best to come here, especially those from scientific backgrounds. I travel to China all the time, and I can tell you without a doubt that we will be facing a major challenge in the next 10-20 years from China in nearly all aspects of technological supremacy. The size and scale of investment into the sciences they are building is tremendous and they are educating millions of new engineers every year. They are retooling their once low skilled labor force into a high skilled labor force and will eventually have tens of millions of engineers, not to mention vast amounts of capital (their fintech is already the largest in the world, overtook the US two years ago), plus an all powerful government that is decisively building the infrastructure needed to facilitate leadership in technology. I'm not exaggerating any of this, you guys can google it yourself, it's pretty amazing how clueless most Americans are of what's happening there.

We need high skilled labor if we are going to stay competitive. We need to still attract the best in the world.Yes, but they are doing that without importing high skilled people mainly. It's mainly all in-house. This is what we need to do. We need to cut immigration by leaps and bounds and focus efforts on training our own citizens at being the most competitive. I think this is the solution. I notice China is not importing immigrants from all over the world like we are to accomplish this. But although China is gaining momentum, I think we are and can be highly competitive. But I think more needs to be produced here, but are Americans willing to pay a higher price for American made products that will eventually catapult us forward by leaps and bounds? We put China where they are by buying Chinese made goods. America once produced everything in-house back in the 40's,50's and 60's, which kept us on top. We need to get back to that and stop creating debt.

[Oneeye]

I came in here hoping to read updates on the bill, instead all I see is the typical interethnic squabbling.

[zhaoyun]

Yes, but they are doing that without importing high skilled people mainly. It's mainly all in-house. This is what we need to do. We need to cut immigration by leaps and bounds and focus efforts on training our own citizens at being the most competitive. I think this is the solution. I notice China is not importing immigrants from all over the world like we are to accomplish this. But although China is gaining momentum, I think we are and can be highly competitive. But I think more needs to be produced here, but are Americans willing to pay a higher price for American made products that will eventually catapult us forward by leaps and bounds? We put China where they are by buying Chinese made goods. America once produced everything in-house back in the 40's,50's and 60's, which kept us on top. We need to get back to that and stop creating debt.

I agree we need to be producing more at home. And undoubtedly, in most areas, the US still leads China, though they have overtaken us in many critical scientific areas, even if most Americans are not aware of it yet. They do actually recruit high level talent from around the world, but they have less of a need to in order to catch up because they have a massive high IQ population. They just need to bring it to its potential by educating the masses, which they are doing, they have dramatically expanded their college system many fold in just the last 15 years.

I absolutely think the US needs to focus on training more engineers. We have too many lawyers, too many bullshit finance and liberal arts majors, most of that is completely fucking useless. We do not need more English lit, or French history majors, it's just going to be producing more opinionated people who are fucking clueless about the real world. Most White Americans have lost interest in the STEM areas, and most hispanics/blacks have never even been interested in it at all. There needs to be more focus on STEM education, but we are clearly not producing enough engineers.

We can definitely make do with importing less low level engineers, we don't need more of that, and many of the lower level engineers only do rote work and are here just to be comfortable. We should absolutely keep the doors open for high end researchers who have produced a body of work. They are high value candidates and the carpet should be rolled out for those.

[RMuller]

That's great, but it proves absolutely nothing. Even if a single individual from a certain ethnicity did such a thing, it wouldn't necessarily tarnish that entire ethnicity. This matter pertains to collectives and not individuals.

There's something of an elephant in the room here. In the case of Mexican-Americans, there's really an entirely different dynamic. We share a border with Mexico, and many regions in close proximity to the border have become much more Mexican, demographically, than before. And not just generally "Hispanic," but specifically Mexican. That's quite problematic. In the case of Europeans, we don't share a border (the Russians in Alaska don't really count, IMO), and there's no danger of a foreign power encroaching on our soil.

You wouldnt have a problem "problematic " if Mexico was a white European nation.

I notice you don't see RUSSIA as an enemy OR DANGEROUS to the USA. :picard2:

[Isleño]

It's pretty cool that you guys managed to keep your local culture and identity alive after so many centuries, kind of similar to the Cajuns down there.
Some refer to us as the "Spanish Cajuns". But we are known in the state as "The Isleños of Louisiana" or simply, "Isleños". Isleños means "Islanders" in Spanish. We were historically called this in reference to us being the Canary Islanders and the mainland Spanish of the Iberian Peninsula were referred to as "Peninsulares" here in Louisiana.

We managed to hold on to our culture, customs and language because we were isolated on a bayou away from others, in our own villages made up entirely of Isleños. We are located about 30-40 minutes outside the city limits of the city of New Orleans. Isolation is what preserved us. The Cajuns did the same, lived isolated. Look at New Orleans, it was a metropolitan city. It began with French people, Africans and Amerinds, then Spaniards arrived, then Cubans and Haitians arrived, then Germans, Italians and Irish arrived. Now, Hondurans, Mexicans, Vietnamese and white hipsters and yuppies Arrived. It's original inhabitants are either all mixed or not living there anymore. But we were country folk living in a rural area made up of only our own kind. All the French and mainland Spanish wanted to live in the city or its suburbs, as well as the newcomers, not in the rural bayou areas. And this is how we survived so long, preserved. We are like a souvenir from the past.

But now we have all the modern amenities, modern appliances, internet, computers, big screen tvs, new cars/trucks, new boats, etc. but back then, there were no roads here, you had to take a boat. But they built roads here in the 1930's.

But in the old days, Isleños used to sell seafood and vegetables at the French Market of New Orleans. They would have to get there by boat. They used to also take family field trips to the city sometimes, often Isleño men that were in the fur business would meet businessmen in the French Quarter to sell them furs. Lol, crazy but true.

But in modern times, it's not like the old days. I get in my vehicle and drive into town on a regular basis to do business, eat out at restaurants or visit friends. I still live in the area my family did 240 years ago.

[Isleño]

I agree we need to be producing more at home. And undoubtedly, in most areas, the US still leads China, though they have overtaken us in many critical scientific areas, even if most Americans are not aware of it yet. They do actually recruit high level talent from around the world, but they have less of a need to in order to catch up because they have a massive high IQ population. They just need to bring it to its potential by educating the masses, which they are doing, they have dramatically expanded their college system many fold in just the last 15 years.

I absolutely think the US needs to focus on training more engineers. We have too many lawyers, too many bullshit finance and liberal arts majors, most of that is completely fucking useless. We do not need more English lit, or French history majors, it's just going to be producing more opinionated people who are fucking clueless about the real world. Most White Americans have lost interest in the STEM areas, and most hispanics/blacks have never even been interested in it at all. There needs to be more focus on STEM education, but we are clearly not producing enough engineers.

We can definitely make do with importing less low level engineers, we don't need more of that, and many of the lower level engineers only do rote work and are here just to be comfortable. We should absolutely keep the doors open for high end researchers who have produced a body of work. They are high value candidates and the carpet should be rolled out for those.
Our problem is we have too many on government assistance. If we just channeled enough money to educate these people, rather than just support them, maybe we would have more educated people. Also, we need to push better, more productive fields. Like you mention, having a bunch of liberal arts majors is useless. We need scientists and engineers. We need a bunch of Elon Musks :)

Of course we will always need low skilled people, otherwise, how would the trash get taken out? Lol. But we do need a healthier population of engineering fields. And IT majors are not enough. We need scientists and Engineers. Yes, I agree fully.

But that's where I think we should shut the borders, enforce border security and make a 100% effort to train people, to make more scholarships and programs available for all Americans to get a higher education. We need to do this in-house. It's like this, if you are not paying bills, you don't need to be here. There are millions of people in US on welfare, food stamps etc. We need to get these people more training and education opportunities to pitch in. We have all these native-born people here we could train, and we are looking to immigration. To make America great again, we need to make Americans great again. All the taxes I pay, I'd rather see some of it go to educating and training Americans "by teaching them how to fish, rather than just giving them the fish".

[Isleño]

You wouldnt have a problem "problematic " if Mexico was a white European nation.

I notice you don't see RUSSIA as an enemy OR DANGEROUS to the USA. :picard2:
Russia has lots of nukes. They can be very dangerous. I think though North Korea is the trouble maker right now though.

[Wanderer]

You wouldnt have a problem "problematic " if Mexico was a white European nation.

I notice you don't see RUSSIA as an enemy OR DANGEROUS to the USA. :picard2:

My statement did not imply that at all. I am discussing demographics here, not foreign policy.

Yeah, I'd like to see America remain a largely white country. I have no problem with small numbers of mestizos, Asians, etc. I don't have any issues considering them fellow Americans. I just want the America I know and love to retain its character.

[Leto]

You wouldnt have a problem "problematic " if Mexico was a white European nation.

I notice you don't see RUSSIA as an enemy OR DANGEROUS to the USA. :picard2:
Lol, and you see it as dangerous to the US?

[RMuller]

Lol, and you see it as dangerous to the US?

75% of American nukes are aimed at Russia,25% are aimed to China and North Korea.

[Leto]

75% of American nukes are aimed at Russia,25% are aimed to China and North Korea.
Well, that only shows your aggression.

[EL_BARBARO]

Next you will say 200 Portugese defeated 200,000 Indians in Goa in 1961 and then gave Goa back to India as a gift. You live in your dreamworld.

No clue about. That is your business, not mine.

[zhaoyun]

Our problem is we have too many on government assistance. If we just channeled enough money to educate these people, rather than just support them, maybe we would have more educated people. Also, we need to push better, more productive fields. Like you mention, having a bunch of liberal arts majors is useless. We need scientists and engineers. We need a bunch of Elon Musks :)

Of course we will always need low skilled people, otherwise, how would the trash get taken out? Lol. But we do need a healthier population of engineering fields. And IT majors are not enough. We need scientists and Engineers. Yes, I agree fully.

But that's where I think we should shut the borders, enforce border security and make a 100% effort to train people, to make more scholarships and programs available for all Americans to get a higher education. We need to do this in-house. It's like this, if you are not paying bills, you don't need to be here. There are millions of people in US on welfare, food stamps etc. We need to get these people more training and education opportunities to pitch in. We have all these native-born people here we could train, and we are looking to immigration. To make America great again, we need to make Americans great again. All the taxes I pay, I'd rather see some of it go to educating and training Americans "by teaching them how to fish, rather than just giving them the fish".

I agree 100%. We need to "improve" our population here. Although re the welfare recipients, the problem is not the education system, it's their culture. I doubt you're going to extract too many nuclear physicists from that bunch no matter how much money you throw into education.

[Oneeye]

I agree 100%. We need to "improve" our population here. Although re the welfare recipients, the problem is not the education system, it's their culture. I doubt you're going to extract too many nuclear physicists from that bunch no matter how much money you throw into education.

Herein lies the problem.. how to improve the culture of a population to make it more driven, moral, and successful? Philosophy, religion, community... how do we swing that pendulum away from radical narcissism while maintaining the liberation of individualism?

[zhaoyun]

Herein lies the problem.. how to improve the culture of a population to make it more driven, moral, and successful? Philosophy, religion, community... how do we swing that pendulum away from radical narcissism while maintaining the liberation of individualism?

First step is to acknowledge that a certain subculture is broken. But with the PC culture that we have, that's never going to happen. We have to pretend there isn't a problem with ghetto culture, that it's the "system".

[Isleño]

First step is to acknowledge that a certain subculture is broken. But with the PC culture that we have, that's never going to happen. We have to pretend there isn't a problem with ghetto culture, that it's the "system".

I fully agree. PC culture deters the necessary actions to identify the problems with many cultural detriments in the US. The real question is...how do we kill PC culture?

[Dr. Bambo]

verrrrry good law

[Diocleatian204]

I Agree with that law because I'm born to European Immigrants.

[Finnish Swede]

75% of American nukes are aimed at Russia,25% are aimed to China and North Korea.

One could easily also ask...why those US nukes should be aimed against some other countries?
Ones which do't even have nukes? To make a mass murder?

[sailormoon]

It's actually a skills-based immigration system, favoring English-speaking, financially stable immigrants. A lot of well-educated immigrants who graduate from American universities can speak English fluently and President Trump wants them to stay and work in the U.S., rather than sending them back home with graduate degrees. The bill would also remove pathways for extended families of U.S. citizens to apply for permanent lawful residency status.



The legislation -- the Reforming American Immigration for a Strong Economy Act, or RAISE Act -- will "reduce poverty, increase wages and save taxpayers billions and billions of dollars," Trump said.

"It will do this by changing the way the United States issues green cards to nationals from other countries. Green cards provide permanent residency, work authorization and fast-track to citizenship," the president said. "For decades, the United States was operated and has operated a very low-skilled immigration system -- issuing record numbers of green cards to low-wage immigrants."

[Cristiano viejo]

Basically Trump wants to make america white or whiter.
Are you afraid of this?

[Drawing-slim]

Are you afraid of this?Yes, i might be deported to new york city cuz thats what most people guess me from.

[Cristiano viejo]

Yes, i might be deported to new york city cuz thats what most people guess me from.

Deported to Ny... interesting... :rolleyes:

[Harley]

How does speaking English favor whites?

Idk about other countries, but both American and Western Samoa teach English since grade school. My mother is a LEGAL immigrant, as are most of my family that LEGALLY immigrated to the US.

On my dad's side, he is a first generation American, with all relatives who LEGALLY immigrated to the US.

OP reminds me of the retarded debate at Politicon 2017 between Ann Coulter and Ana K*****ian, in which the latter only refuted Coulter's facts with calls of being a racist and a bigot.

The next post will probably be about how we should all spread the wealth to people who lay around all day on their section 8 housing couches while posting from their iPhone X and brand new Jordans.

I'm really angry that people have this view of ALL immigrants being ILLEGAL and being too stupid to know English. I'm sure illegal immigrants would find it insulting too, if they weren't too busy illegally coming into the country.

[Harley]

I fully agree. PC culture deters the necessary actions to identify the problems with many cultural detriments in the US. The real question is...how do we kill PC culture?

By continuing to stand on the facts and fact based evidence, and supporting those voices that protest very loudly how PC culture is ruining American society.

[Harley]

Our problem is we have too many on government assistance. If we just channeled enough money to educate these people, rather than just support them, maybe we would have more educated people. Also, we need to push better, more productive fields. Like you mention, having a bunch of liberal arts majors is useless. We need scientists and engineers. We need a bunch of Elon Musks :)

Of course we will always need low skilled people, otherwise, how would the trash get taken out? Lol. But we do need a healthier population of engineering fields. And IT majors are not enough. We need scientists and Engineers. Yes, I agree fully.

But that's where I think we should shut the borders, enforce border security and make a 100% effort to train people, to make more scholarships and programs available for all Americans to get a higher education. We need to do this in-house. It's like this, if you are not paying bills, you don't need to be here. There are millions of people in US on welfare, food stamps etc. We need to get these people more training and education opportunities to pitch in. We have all these native-born people here we could train, and we are looking to immigration. To make America great again, we need to make Americans great again. All the taxes I pay, I'd rather see some of it go to educating and training Americans "by teaching them how to fish, rather than just giving them the fish".
I wholeheartedly agree with this post!