R1a haplogroup

[Lavrentis]

1) Of course East hate Western countries, becouse western countries are USA puppets and USA is evil.
2) You call them semi-asian, but 90% of Easterns looks more European then you.
3) On this map Spanish people are in western. So what you want to say, that Spanish people are pure European? Hahahah that's a big joke.
Russians,Ukrainians and Belarussian have more more more Europeid looking then Spanish people and Portuguese.

Eastern Europeans don't hate Western countries, only Serbs, Russians and Belarussians do. The rest of Eastern European countries are very pro-Western, especially Romania and Ukraine.

Spanish and Portuguese are as European as Eastern Europeans, matter of fact Russians have significant Mongoloid influence.

[Lavrentis]

What the hell is going on with all these Serbian pseudo-historians and pseudo-scientists in this Forum?

[Сербо Макеридов]

Cultually, both islam and the semi-asian orthodox countries were traditionally west-hater civilizations. Hungary is a Central European country, and part of the Catholic-
Protestant western civilization. Hungary is not Eastern European (Orthodox = semi-asian culture) country.MAP OF THE WESTERN WORLD:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2f/Clash_of_Civilizations_map.png (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2f/Clash_of_Civilizations_map.png)
What is Western Civilization?
The earliest mention of Western civilization “Occidental civilis”
After the Great Schism (The East-West Schism /formally in 1054/, between Western Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Christianity.) Hungary determined itself as the easternmost bastion of Western civilisation (This statement was affirmed later by Pope Pius II who wrote that to Emperor Friedrich III, “Hungary is the shield of Christianity and the protector of Western civilization”)
It is not a secret in history, that countries civilizations are/were not in the same level of development.
It is well-known that Western and Central Europe, ( the so-called Western civilization) was always more developed than Orthodox Slavic or Eastern European civilization.
The cultural the societal-system and the economical civilizational (and technological) differences between Orthodox countries and Western Christian (Catholic-Protestant) countries were similar great, as the differences between Northern America (USA Canada) and Southern- (Latino) America.
MEMENTO:
Western things which were not existed in orthodox world:
1. POLITICAL AND CONSTITUTIONAL development: Medieval appearance of parliaments (a legislative body(!), DO NOT CONFUSE with the “councils of monarchs” which existed since the beginning of human history), the estates of the realm, the clergy, the nobility, and the commoners,
2. SELF GOVERNMENT status of big royal/imperial cities, (local government systems of cities), which are the direct ancestors of modern self/local governmental systems.
3. ECONOMY: The medieval appearance of banking systems and social effects and status of urban bourgeoisie, the absolute dominance of money-economy (when the vast majority of trade based on money and the taxes customs duties were collected in money) from the 12th -13th century, instead of the former primitive bartel-based commerce (barter dominated the economies orthodox world until the 17-18th centuries.)
4. HIGHER EDUCATION: The medieval appearance of universities and the medieval appearance of secular intellectuals,
5. CULTURE: Knights, the knight-culture, chivalric code, (and the technological effects of crusades from the Holy Land,)
Music and literature: courtly love, troubadours, Gregorian chant, Ars nova, Organum, Motet, Madrigal, Canon and Ballata, Liturgical drama, Novellas,
medieval western THEATER: Mystery or cycle plays, morality and passion plays, which developed into the renaissance theater, the direct ancestor of modern theaters.
Philosophy: Scholasticism and humanist philosophy,
6. The medieval usage of Latin alphabet and medieval spread of movable type printing,
7. TECHNOLOGY: The guild system is an association of artisans or merchants, which organized the training education, and directed master’s exam system for artisians. Due to the compulsory foreign studies of the artisian master’s candidates, the guilds played key role in the fast spread of technologies and industrial knowledge in the medieval Western World.
8. The defence systems & fortifications: The spread of stone/brick castle defense -systems, the town-walls of western cities from the 11th century. (In the orthodox world, only the capital cities had such a walls . The countries of the Balkan region and the territory of Russian states fell under Ottoman/Mongolian rule very rapidly – with a
single decesive open-field battle – due to the lack of the networks of stone/brick castles and fortresses in these countries. The only exception was the greek inhabited Byzantine territories which were well fortified.)
9. FINEARTS and ARCHITECTURE: western architecture, sculpture paintings and fine-arts: the Romanesque style, the Gothic style and the Renaissance style.
The orthodox church buildings and „palaces(?)” were very little, they had primitive structure and poor decorations, their style were influenced by non-European arabic and persian influenced Byzantine ornamentics.
10.The renaissance & humanism , the reformation and the enlightenment did not influenced/affected the Orthodox (Eastern European) countries.
Before 1870, the industrialization that had developed in Western and Central Europe and the United States did not extend in any significant way to the rest of the world. In
Eastern Europe, industrialization lagged far behind, and started only in the 20th century. Their infrastructural and economic development was also very very slow, and many determinant factors of modern civilization – as we called them as civilized way of life – (railways, the electrification of cities, drain & sewer systems, water pipe systems, spread of tap water and bathrooms, telecommuncations etc… spread many many decades (60-80 years) later. It is no wonder that their contribution in science technology and innovations are completely negligible in Human history by the WESTERN standards.

According to that map your Bosnian girlfriend belongs to easten semi-Asian civilization. :bounce:

[Stears]

Gavrilo Princip is hero.

Where are your promised photo, swarhy WOG Gypo ? YOu become afraid ? Laughable internet keyboard warrior.
Are you afraid to show you monkey face ?

Typical Balkanite coward

[Сербо Макеридов]

What the hell is going on with all these Serbian pseudo-historians and pseudo-scientists in this Forum?

You idiot, Vlatko Vukovic is Bosniak, go away and suck western dick pseudo-Greek moron.

[Stears]

What the hell is going on with all these Serbian pseudo-historians and pseudo-scientists in this Forum?
What do you expect ? They are the most primitive nation in Europe , just read about heavnly Serbia lebensraum theories, centuries before Adolf Hitler.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Where are your promised photo, swarhy WOG Gypo ? YOu become afraid ? Laughableinternet keyboard warrior.
Are you afraid to show you monkey face ?

Typical Balkanite coward

66389 - that is :)

Why would i be afraid? Brown hair with blue eyes :)

[Lavrentis]

You retard, Vlatko Vukovic is Bosniaks, go away and suck western dick!

Yeah, Bosniak, lol.

If it wasn't for Western intervention there would be no Republika Srpska now, the Americans saved Bosnian Serbs from Croat and Bosniak anger.

[Damião de Góis]

3) On this map Spanish people are in western. So what you want to say, that Spanish people are pure European? Hahahah that's a big joke.
Russians,Ukrainians and Belarussian have more more more Europeid looking then Spanish people and Portuguese.

That's supposed to be a map about civilizations. I don't see where is the big joke that Spain belongs to the western civilization, which civilization do they belong to if not western?

But if your brain concieved that as a racial map, then tell me how do you define "Europeid looking"?

[Stears]

According to that map your Bosnian girlfriend belongs to easten semi-Asian civilization. :bounce:

Being 1/8 Bosnian does not make her semi-asian like you. Is it painful, because muslim Bosnians are more European genetically than orthodox Serbs (because many have Croatian origin) ?

You are untermensch gypsies ans you Know it.

[Lavrentis]

What do you expect ? They are the most primitive nation in Europe , just read about heavnly Serbia lebensraum theories, centuries before Adolf Hitler.

Serbs have a very flawed mentality. Unfortunately, they are obsessed with Greece and want to be our friends. I don't want to be associated with them.

[Сербо Макеридов]

Serbs have a very flawed mentality. Unfortunately they are obsessed with Greece and want to be our friends. I don't want to be associated with them.

Shut up Anatolian-Middle Eastern monkey, most dominant haplogroup among Greeks are J2 which is Anatolian-Middle Eastern marker and E-V13 which is north-African marker.

Most dominant haplogroup among Serbs are I2a which is paleo-European marker, and R1a which is Kurgan-Aryan marker.

You are genetically brother of Analbanians and Turks.

Go and suck small dick of Stears.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

That's supposed to be a map about civilizations. I don't see where is the big joke that Spain belongs to the western civilization, which civilization do they belong to if not western?

But if your brain concieved that as a racial map, then tell me how do you define "Europeid looking"?

Ask Stears. He says that Hungarians looked Europeid.

[Lavrentis]

Shut up monkey, most dominant haplogroup among Greeks are J2 which is Anatolian-Middle Eastern marker and E-V13 which is north-African marker.

Most dominant haplogroup among Serbs are I2a which is paleo-European marker, and R1a which is Kurgan-Aryan marker.

You are genetically brother of Analbanians and Turks.

Go and suck small dick of Stears.

Tell your people to stop being obsessed with Greece. I'm tired of them, its like they are born in order to want to be friends with us. They seem insecure.

Serbs are known as Gypsies, Turks and Vlachs by their neighbors. Why is that?

[Stears]

66389 - that is :)

Why would i be afraid? Brown hair with blue eyes :)

you can stole better photos from dating websites, than this monkey gay. . Or your name damir hodzic ?

Serbian gypsy is too stupid to post more belivable personal photo.

[Fractal]

you can stole better photos from dating websites, than this monkey gay. . Or your name damir hodzic ?

Serbian gypsy is too stupid to post more belivable personal photo.

:rofl_002::rotfl:

he looks like a typical white american you find here in Los Gatos, lightshades for instance.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

you can stole better photos from dating websites, than this monkey gay. . Or your name damir hodzic ?

Serbian gypsy is too stupid to post more belivable personal photo.

Damir Hodzic is my friend, photograph and this is his logo. If you not believe me i can give you my facebook with my pictures. So add me and i will confirm you.

[Сербо Макеридов]

Tell your people to stop being obsessed with Greece. I'm tired of them, its like they are born in order to want to be friends with us. They seem insecure.

Serbs are known as Gypsies, Turks and Vlachs by their neighbors. Why is that?

Idiot, Serbs are more European than you Anatolian-Middle Eastern monkeys.

My counsin is married for Greek (they live in US), and her husband and his family and relatives look like Armenians.

[Voskos]

Lol

[Lavrentis]

Idiot, Serbs are more European than you Anatolian-Middle Eastern monkeys.

My counsin is married for Greek (they live in US), and her husband and his family and relatives look like Armenians.

Your cousin is married to an Anatolian Greek.

And I can post right now Serbs who look full Turkish, as I have already done. Do you want me to start?

[Сербо Макеридов]

Your cousin is married to an Anatolian Greek.

And I can post right now Serbs who look full Turkish, as I have already done. Do you want me to start?

Greece is full of Anatolian Greeks, there is a more Anatolian Greeks in Greece than native Greeks.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

you can stole better photos from dating websites, than this monkey gay. . Or your name damir hodzic ?

Serbian gypsy is too stupid to post more belivable personal photo.

I said you if you want confirmation i will do it, but stop to insult somebody who is pure European :D

[Stears]

Shut up Anatolian-Middle Eastern monkey, most dominant haplogroup among Greeks are J2 which is Anatolian-Middle Eastern marker and E-V13 which is north-African marker.

Most dominant haplogroup among Serbs are I2a which is paleo-European marker, and R1a which is Kurgan-Aryan marker.

You are genetically brother of Analbanians and Turks.

Go and suck small dick of Stears.


https://europeisnotdead.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/european-john-thomas-size.png

[Lavrentis]

Greece is full of Anatolian Greeks, there is a more Anatolian Greeks in Greece than native Greeks.

Going by paternal origins, Anatolian Greeks are around 30%. Don't talk out of ignorance.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

https://europeisnotdead.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/european-john-thomas-size.png

https://www.targetmap.com/viewer.aspx?reportId=3073 - This is real map of penis size. Bosnia biggest in Europe. One more proove that people from Bosnia are pure European.

[Сербо Макеридов]

https://europeisnotdead.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/european-john-thomas-size.png

Good joke, Hungarians have a bigger size of penis and Hungarian girls like to get fucked with Serbs!!! :clap:

[Сербо Макеридов]

Going by paternal origins, Anatolian Greeks are around 30%. Don't talk out of ignorance.

You are admitted that Anatolian Greeks are 30% of populatin of Greece, and you think that Anatolian Greeks are swarty WOGS, very ingenious 30% of Greece are Anatolian Armenoid WOGS in your opinion.

You hate part of your own nation. :picard1:

[Lavrentis]

You are admitted that Anatolian Greeks are 30% of populatin of Greece, and you think that Anatolian Greeks are swarty WOGS, very ingenious 30% of Greece are Anatolian Armenoid WOGS in your opinion.

You hate part of your own nation. :picard1:

I don't hate them. I'm simply honest that most of then have Anatolian origins and that they brought Anatolian customs in Greece. I'm saying the truth.

I have lots of Anatolian Greek friends.

[Stears]

Good joke, Hungarians have a bigger size of penis and Hungarian girls like to get fucked with Serbs!!! :clap:

My map is supported by scientific Research, as you can read . Hungarian women don't fuck with balkan gypos. Hungarians have similar bad opinion about balkanites like about gypsies.

[Fractal]

What the hell is going on with all these Serbian pseudo-historians and pseudo-scientists in this Forum?

got that damn straight, especially their theories about India, which are comical.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Serbs from Western Serbia are European looking and Serbs from Bosnia are too. A lot of Serbs from East Serbia are little Mongolic becouse of Bulgarian influence (Bulgarians are Turkic people)

[Сербо Макеридов]

I don't hate them. I'm simply honest that most of then have Anatolian origins and that they brought Anatolian customs in Greece. I'm saying the truth.

I have lots of Anatolian Greek friends.

You are very similar as hungarized Swabian/Jew known as Stears.

Stears claims that Hungarians from Vojvodina, Romania, Budapest and souther, eastern and northern Hungary are not real Hungarians than hungarized Slovaks, Jews, Serbs, Romanians and Cumans.

You claims that Anatolian Greeks are not real Greeks than helenized Anatolians.

You guys have contemp and distance to a large part of your own nation.

[Lavrentis]

You are very similar as hunarized Swabian/Jew known as Stears.

Stears claims that Hungarians from Vojvodina, Romania, Budapest and souther/eastern and northern Hungary are not real Hungarians than hungarized Slovaks, Jews, Serbs, Romanians and Cumans.

You claims that Anatolian Greeks are not real Greeks than helenized Anatolians.

You guys have contemp and distance to a large part of your own nation.

I never claimed that Anatolian Greeks are not real Greeks. They are Greek. What I claimed is that they have Anatolian origins, which is the truth. It is reflected on their phenotypes and culture.

Anatolian "Greek" music has nothing to do with Greece. It is clearly Middle Eastern. If you listen to Cretan or Corfiot music, you will realize that they are not similar at all with Anatolian "Greek" music.

And again, I don't have contempt for Anatolian Greeks. Stop with these accusations.

[Stears]

You are very similar as hungarized Swabian/Jew known as Stears.

Stears claims that Hungarians from Vojvodina, Romania, Budapest and souther/eastern and northern Hungary are not real Hungarians than hungarized Slovaks, Jews, Serbs, Romanians and Cumans.

You claims that Anatolian Greeks are not real Greeks than helenized Anatolians.

You guys have contemp and distance to a large part of your own nation.

wrong. Voivodine Only Hungarians and neo-cuman kunsag are not real standard Hungarians by genetical sense, because of their mix with balkanites.

[Сербо Макеридов]

Serbs from Western Serbia are European looking and Serbs from Bosnia are too. A lot of Serbs from East Serbia are little Mongolic becouse of Bulgarian influence (Bulgarians are Turkic people)

Eastern Serbia is mostly populated by Vlachs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlachs_of_Serbia

Majority of them declare themselves as Serbs, but they are not real Serbs.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

wrong. Voivodine Only Hungarians and neo-cuman kunsag are not real standard Hungarians by genetical sense, because of their mix with balkanites.

I proove you European genetics from Bosnia :)) So that is stupid to call us again Gypsy :D

[Stears]

I proove you European genetics from Bosnia :)) So that is stupid to call us again Gypsy :D

They are mainly mixed with Vlachs (Romanians) and Serbians.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

They are mainly mixed with Vlachs (Romanians) and Serbians.

Vlachs cant have blue eyes. Continue haha.

[Сербо Макеридов]

Y DNA of Bosnian Serbs.

imgur.com/8p5XcVn

[Stears]

Vlachs cant have blue eyes. Continue haha.
Black hair eyes and olive skin is the trademark of Balkanite populations. Deal with it.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Y DNA of Bosnian Serbs.

imgur.com/8p5XcVn

I post him photo and prove him that Balkan people are European. It is funny to compare average Ugric man with average Ex-Yu man.

[Stears]

I post him photo and prove him that Balkan people are European. It is funny to compare average Ugric man with average Ex-Yu man.

Nice fantasies. However the reality is different than your wishful thinking

Hungarians are genetically more european than most slavic speaking people (who contain more Asian mongoloid Y and mt.DNA haplogroup markers), but all Northern Germanic nations (incl. Northern Germany too) have higher ratio of Mongolid haplogroup markers . See the ratio of Central Asian haplogroup „Q” and the other mongoloid haplogroup marker „N” (aka. N1C1) markers in the genetic CHART of European nations:

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

And see the ratio of middle-eastern haplogroup markers (various „J”) in all balkan populations (inc. Romania). De facto, these nations populations genetically are less European than Hungarians.


Do not forget that vast majority of balkan population is not only genetically but anthropogically less white (average darker eye and hair color, skin tone) people. Just type in google image searcher: „eye color map” , „hair color map”.


Skin tone map:
http://webspace.ship.edu/cgboer/Map_of_skin_hue_equi.png


Hair color map
http://uclahealthservices.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/hair_color_map_europe.png


Eye color map:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ilng4Lm9CI0/UKoaYrEoD_I/AAAAAAAAATw/8NebRqUEAOk/s1600/eyecolour.png

[Сербо Макеридов]

Nice fantasies. However the reality is different than your wishful thinking

Hungarians are genetically more european than most slavic speaking people (who contain more Asian mongoloid Y and mt.DNA haplogroup markers), but all Northern Germanic nations (incl. Northern Germany too) have higher ratio of Mongolid haplogroup markers . See the ratio of Central Asian haplogroup „Q” and the other mongoloid haplogroup marker „N” (aka. N1C1) markers in the genetic CHART of European nations:

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

And see the ratio of middle-eastern haplogroup markers (various „J”) in all balkan populations (inc. Romania). De facto, these nations populations genetically are less European than Hungarians.


Do not forget that vast majority of balkan population is not only genetically but anthropogically less white (average darker eye and hair color, skin tone) people. Just type in google image searcher: „eye color map” , „hair color map”.


Skin tone map:
http://webspace.ship.edu/cgboer/Map_of_skin_hue_equi.png


Hair color map
http://uclahealthservices.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/hair_color_map_europe.png


Eye color map:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ilng4Lm9CI0/UKoaYrEoD_I/AAAAAAAAATw/8NebRqUEAOk/s1600/eyecolour.png

South Slavs have more real European (peleo-European) marker I, than Hungarians.

You Hungarians are less Europeans becuse you have much less I haplogroup.

[Stears]

South Slavs have more real European (peleo-European) marker I, than Hungarians.

You Hungarians are less Europeans becuse you have much less I haplogroup.

Why did you not mention how Serbs have much more negroid E1b and semitic J ?
And you have almost none of western R1b.

Gypsy

[Сербо Макеридов]

Only real Europeans are south Slavs and Scandos (except Finns), because they are holders of peleo-European I haplogroup.

https://i.redd.it/ol82zejvz7yy.png

A lot of Hungarian R1a is Asiatic Turkic R1a-Z93.

[Stears]

Only real Europeans are south Slavs and Scandos (except Finns), because they are holders of peleo-European I haplogroup.

https://i.redd.it/ol82zejvz7yy.png

A lot of Hungarian R1a is Asiatic Turkic R1a-Z93.

Lies. Hungarian R1a is eastern European type, and it is not so high in Hungary.
Only Gypsies and some Jews have asian (Indo-aryan) type of R1a.

[Сербо Макеридов]

Why did you not mention how Serbs have much more negroid E1b and semitic J ?
And you have almost none of western R1b.

Gypsy

Family of my grandmother (fathrer's mother) by male line are R1b-U152.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Only reason why all Hungarians dont have mongoloid eyes is that they have as you send me 29.5 R1a haplogroup which is Balto-Slavic and Germanic. Slavs and Germans made Hungarians European looking and exterminate (not at all) your Asian phenotype, so you can be grateful to Germans and Slavs why Hungarians have less Asiatic phenotype then ancest Hungarians had before 1000 years

[Сербо Макеридов]

You speak big bullshits.
Only reason why all Hungarians dont have mongoloid eyes is that they have as you send me 29.5 R1a haplogroup which is Balto-Slavic and Germanic. Slavs and Germans made you European looking and exterminate (not at all) your Asian phenotype, so you can be grateful to Germans and Slavs why you have less Asiatic phenotype then your ancestors Hungarians had before 1000 years

Not all Hungarian R1a is Slavic, Slavic branches are only R1a-M458 and R1a-Z280, and Hungarians have a lot of R1a-Z93 which is very common among Turkic people, for example Kyrgyz people have 63% R1a-Z93.

[Stears]

Not all Hungarian R1a is Slavic, Slavic branches are only R1a-M458 and R1a-Z280, and Hungarians have a lot of R1a-Z93 which is very common among Turkic people, for example Kyrgyz people have 63% R1a-Z93.

Turkic r1a is common on balkans. Hungarians Gypsies are 30% Asian R1a, it is non-existent among ethnic Hungarian population.

[Сербо Макеридов]

Turkic r1a is common on balkans. Hungarians Gypsies are 30% Asian R1a, it is non-existent among ethnic Hungarian population.

R1a-Z93 is not exist among ethnic Serbs, only people in Serbia which have R1a-Z93 are Hungarians from Vojvodina.

[Stears]

Hungarian type of R1a is not Slavic but original Hungarians carried it:

R1a-Z280: the North-East European subclade of R1a-M417, approximately 4700 years old. It is common from the Baltic to the Urals as well as the Carpathian Basin. Part of the Steppe Magyars likely belonged to this group, as the “Carpathian B type” typically appears in Russia and the Carpathian Basin.

https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/hungarian-magyar-y-dna-project/about/results

[Myanthropologies]

Scythians were holders of R1a-Z93, and they were blonde and red hair people, and Indians have black hair and brown skin.

Read Anatole Klyosov about origin of R1a, that haplogroup is alien in India.

Scythians were pure white people, Nordids + CM.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/bc/76/f5/bc76f5880c14f90173d2685487af707a--beautiful-men-warriors.jpg

https://youtu.be/jkeWai9hzog

Scythians who were r1a1-z93 clustered between Afghan Tajiks and East Slavs, they weren't "pure white nordids." In fact, indo-European populations genetically filled the gap between modern eastern iranics and eastern slavs that you see on PCAS a lot.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Hungarian type of R1a is not Slavic but original Hungarians carried it:

R1a-Z280: the North-East European subclade of R1a-M417, approximately 4700 years old. It is common from the Baltic to the Urals as well as the Carpathian Basin. Part of the Steppe Magyars likely belonged to this group, as the “Carpathian B type” typically appears in Russia and the Carpathian Basin.

https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/hungarian-magyar-y-dna-project/about/results


Hungarian R1a is becouse they are in sandwich of Slavs. Upper Poland, Eastern Slavic people too and south - Slavic people too. That is why you have R1a.

[Stears]

Hungarian R1a is becouse they are in sandwich of Slavs. Upper Poland, Eastern Slavic people too and south - Slavic people too. That is why you have R1a.

Are you mentally retarded ? Hungarian R1a is not common among Western or Southern Slavic people but only in Russia, where Finno-Ugric people come from.
You can't even understand simple text, I doubt you ever finished elementary school.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Are you mentally retarded ? Hungarian R1a is not common among Western or Southern Slavic people but only in Russia, where Finno-Ugric people come from.
You can't even understand simple text, I doubt you ever finished elementary school.

If it is true that you brought it from Ural mountines, how then Russians are look more European then Hungarians?

[Lollipop]

Hungarian type of R1a is not Slavic but original Hungarians carried it:

R1a-Z280: the North-East European subclade of R1a-M417, approximately 4700 years old. It is common from the Baltic to the Urals as well as the Carpathian Basin. Part of the Steppe Magyars likely belonged to this group, as the “Carpathian B type” typically appears in Russia and the Carpathian Basin.

https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/hungarian-magyar-y-dna-project/about/results


lamoooooooo
that page is full of looney toons pseudoscience

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Russian woman

66395
66396
66397
66398

Are this woman look someone "semi asian" like our friend Stears said?

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Are you mentally retarded ? Hungarian R1a is not common among Western or Southern Slavic people but only in Russia, where Finno-Ugric people come from.
You can't even understand simple text, I doubt you ever finished elementary school.

Even in your map of blue eyes Eastern Europe Slavs have more blue eyed people then Hungary lol, and you call somebody semi-asiatic :DD

[Stears]

Even in your map of blue eyes Eastern Europe Slavs have more blue eyed people then Hungary lol, and you call somebody semi-asiatic :DD

Are you blind balkan serbo-monkey? You are swarthy on the eye color hair color and skin tone maps too.

[Сербо Макеридов]

Are you mentally retarded ? Hungarian R1a is not common among Western or Southern Slavic people but only in Russia, where Finno-Ugric people come from.
You can't even understand simple text, I doubt you ever finished elementary school.

You are mentally retarded, R1a haplogroup among Finno-Ugric people is not so common, they are mostly holders of Asiatic Siberian N haplogroup.

Percentage of Asiatic N haplogroup among your Finno-Ugric relatives:

Udmurts - 67%

Finns - 61,5%

Maris - 61%

Komis - 51%

www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

[Stears]

You are mentally retarded, R1a haplogroup among Finno-Ugric people is not so common, they are mostly holders of Asiatic Siberian N haplogroup.

Percentage of Asiatic N haplogroup among your Finno-Ugric relatives:

Udmurts - 67%

Finns - 61,5%

Maris - 61%

Komis - 51%

www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml (http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml)

No meta ethnic group has only one haplogroup marker. Serbs have 3X times more N than Hungarians, so are you asiatic monkeys ?

I think you got it from Turkish admixture (Turks have N and Q too) :)))))

[Laberia]

What we Orthodox balkanites on TA should embrace is the stereotypes that TA has about us. Don't be apologetic, don't be pathetic with excuses.
Embrace it. Yes we are terrorists. Yes we will terrorize you. Yes we will invade your land. God wills it, Europe will be Orthodox in the near future.
Neckbeard neets can only complain on TA. God is on our side. Edgy members only dare to spout their hatred here on the internet, for they are pussies in real life while we orthodox soldier, we prepare to die for our deen.
Remember, convert their families, marry their daughters, knock them up and make the Orthodox Patriarchy the law of the land in the whole of Europe.

яблочный пирог с ванилью!

Other Romanians have an different opinion from yours about servs. But first let see the opinion on your people of this retard who is the source of all BS that we read in this days by the bunch of subhuman servs here.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3AxvQlWkN4
Dr Jovan Deretic - Who are Romanians???-

This video is posted by a Romanian user with the nickname MrDimitrijetucovic.
And here you can read his comment:


serbian KOSOVO was born in SARAJEVO in 1860 in sick mind of BOGOLJUB PETRANOVIC and his false epic poems ballads By order of BELGRADE Bogoljub had written [faked] entire so called epic cycle of serbian KOSOVO That's how Hungarian Duke LAZAR become a serbian KING serbia itself didn't even exist in that time so it was impossible to have a king In reality LAZAR was just a simple duke first servant of of HUNGARIAN KING ZIGMUND from NANDORFEHEVAR [name of the city was serbianized -translated in Belgrade White town in 17 centuries] Lazars Krusevac was part of HUNGARY name serb was invented in 1815 [Created from serV -SERVANT or ILLYRIAN SHERB-UES KELTIC SERB-ISH] Name serb originally symbolized a rank a servant not name of the folk serbia itself was created in 1878 in BERLIN by Germans in order to stop creation of GREATER RUSSIAN BULGARIA German school Brothers Grim etc did fake translation of many documents and books For example the book MAGNA HUNGARIA was written in LATIN in this book words SERVUS TRIVALUS are FAKE TRANSLATED as serbian folk instead of enslaved folks [Romanians Albanians Bulgarians etc] Romanians always lived in territory of so called serbia as well as in entire Balkans For example we have mountain Romania near Sarajevo in Bosnia and PESTER comes from PESTERA in today's SANDZAK Romanians in Timoc were discriminated and assimilated for more than 120 years Even today they must have serbian names only and they must declare themselves as Cincars or Vlachs but not Romanians they must speak serbain in public and they don't have schools in Romanian language how Romanians were assimilated? I'm going to give you an example ILIE LUPULESKU ex ping pong player and member of national team changed his name in ILIJA his wife and children are not speaking any Romanian and soon they will change family name in VUCKOVIC LUPUS =VUK in serbian


What is your comment?

[Laberia]

Where is this Roma hidden? I know, back in the underground of Bucharest with his boss Bruce Lee (http://casajurnalistului.ro/bruce-lee-king-sewers/).

[Jana]

...
Why do you have ''Bosniak'' in your profile, when Vlatko Vukovic is not Bosniak name ?
I confused.

[Kelmendasi]

Why do you have ''Bosniak'' in your profile, when Vlatko Vukovic is not Bosniak name ?
I confused.
Vlatko Vukovic was a Nobleman who governed the duchy of Hum, he was a Bosnian afaik and was part of the Kosača family. He's just using the name of a Bosnian historical figure as his username

[Jana]

Vlatko Vukovic was a Nobleman who governed the duchy of Hum, he was a Bosnian afaik and was part of the Kosača family. He's just using the name of a Bosnian historical figure as his username

It is a Croatian name.

[Kelmendasi]

It is a Croatian name.
Doesn't Vukovic just mean "son of the wolf" or were you talking about the name Vlatko? His family name was Kosača but idk why he was called Vukovic. They ruled the area of Hum in Bosnia

[Lollipop]

It is a Croatian name.

Man, everything is croatian with you people.

http://replycandy.com/wp-content/uploads/Goodfellas-Ray-Liotta-Laughing-Reaction-Face.jpg

[Jana]

Doesn't Vukovic just mean "son of the wolf" or were you talking about the name Vlatko? His family name was Kosača but idk why he was called Vukovic. They ruled the area of Hum in Bosnia

Yes, it does. Kosaca was medieval Bosnian noble family. However I had modern surname Vukovic (not speaking about historical figgure) in mind, it is mostly Croatian. And name Vlatko too.

[Jana]

Man, everything is croatian with you people.

http://replycandy.com/wp-content/uploads/Goodfellas-Ray-Liotta-Laughing-Reaction-Face.jpg

Not really. I don't think Vlatko Vukovic was Croatian in middle ages when no ethnic identity existed, he may have been of Croat or Serb origin , I'n not sure.

About Vukovic:

Vuković families are almost entirely Croats and they are mostly from Slunj area. According to some sources they are from Brinje area, rarely Serbs, and Montenegrins. In the past century, relatively most of Croatian residents bearing this family name were born in Zagreb and Split. In Saborsko in Slunj area every fifth inhabitant had the family name Vuković.

[Lollipop]

Yes, it does. Kosaca was medieval Bosnian noble family. However I had modern surname Vukovic (not speaking about historical figgure) in mind, it is mostly Croatian.

No, its not croatian.You speak about modern times?Despite being 9th most common name in Croatia It's the most common in Serbia, and by density in Montenegro.In Medieval times it belonged almost exclusively to orthodox bosnians(see the Ottoman censuses about the christians who had to pay taxes!).It is a orthodox bosnian noble name.

[Cool Story Bro]

Man, everything is croatian with you people.

http://replycandy.com/wp-content/uploads/Goodfellas-Ray-Liotta-Laughing-Reaction-Face.jpg

Kosače are Croatian noble family in middle age Bosnia. You have 'Croatian home of hercega Stjepana Kosače' in Mostar.

[Jana]

No, its not croatian.You speak about modern times?Despite being 9th most common name in Croatia It's the most common in Serbia, and by density in Montenegro.In Medieval times it belonged almost exclusively to orthodox bosnians(see the Ottoman censuses about the christians who had to pay taxes!).It is a orthodox bosnian noble name.

There are no orthodox Bosnians before Ottoman invasion. :D

[Lollipop]

Kosače are Croatian noble family in middle age Bosnia. You have 'Croatian home of hercega Stjepana Kosače' in Mostar.

No, they are not.


The family name Kosača was probably taken after the village of Kosače near Goražde, in the Upper Drina region of eastern Bosnia, where the Kosača family were originally estate owners.[2][3]

The founder, Vuk[3] (by which the family is also called Vuković (Serbo-Croatian in Cyrillic: Вуковић, pl. Vukovići / Вуковићи)), was a prominent military commander under Emperor Dušan the Mighty of Serbia (r. 1331–1355) who took part in the conquests of southern Balkans. He was given lands around Upper Drina.[4][5]

[Lollipop]

There are no orthodox Bosnians before Ottoman invasion. :D

Yes, Vlatko Vukovic practiced animism.

[Сербо Макеридов]

Yes, it does. Kosaca was medieval Bosnian noble family. However I had modern surname Vukovic (not speaking about historical figgure) in mind, it is mostly Croatian.



Surname Vuković is most common among Serbs than among Croats.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Božidar_Vuković

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jagoš_Vuković

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slobodan_Vuković

[Kelmendasi]

The Kosača family was originally from Kosače in Bosnia which is where they get their family name from. Vlatko has the surname Vukovic because his father was called Vuk but his surname was Kosača so Vlatko just took his fathers first name as his surname https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosača_noble_family.

[Dick]

There are no orthodox Bosnians before Ottoman invasion. :D


Stjepan Vukčić Kosača in 1448 dropped his title "Vojvoda of Bosnia", assuming the title "Herceg [Duke] of Hum and the Coast".[1] He changed it again in 1449 to "Herceg of Saint Sava" in recollection of the Serbian Orthodox saint.[1] This title had considerable public relations value, because Sava's relics were consider miracle-working by people of all Christian faiths. The Kosačas themselves, however, were one of the few non-Orthodox noble families in Hum.[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosa%C4%8Da_noble_family

[Jana]

Surname Vuković is most common among Serbs than among Croats.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Božidar_Vuković

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jagoš_Vuković

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slobodan_Vuković

No, it is not,. And they don't neeed to have origin from the same Vuk.
One thing is certain, Bosnia was Catholic Western Kingdom with some heretic minority and Western titles like Ban (which only exist among Croats while Serbs use Zupan) and orthodox Serbs ewere absolutely irrelevant factor there before there were settled by Ottomans.

[Сербо Макеридов]

No meta ethnic group has only one haplogroup marker. Serbs have 3X times more N than Hungarians, so are you asiatic monkeys ?

I think you got it from Turkish admixture (Turks have N and Q too) :)))))

Idiot, Serbs have only 2% N haplogroup and have nothing to do with Turks because that branch is very ancient.

[Cool Story Bro]

No, they are not.

First word i saw in your "source" is word probably. Pretty good piece of source you got there.
You beta cuck even need to dislike my stuff even through im speaking the truth.
http://kosaca-mostar.com/web/index.php
Read the frontpage.

[Сербо Макеридов]

No, it is not,. And they don't neeed to have origin from the same Vuk.
One thing is certain, Bosnia was Catholic Western Kingdom with some heric minority and Western tiles like Ban (which onlyexist among Croats while Serbs use Zupan) and orthodox Serbs ewere absolutley irrelevant factor there before there were settled there by Ottomans.

Orthodoxy in Bosnia is older than Ottomans.

Bogumili were one Orthodox brachs, their real name was Krstjani, not Bogumili.

[Lollipop]

First word i saw in your "source" is word probably. Pretty good piece of source you got there.
You beta cuck even need to dislike my stuff even through im speaking the truth.
http://kosaca-mostar.com/web/index.php
Read the frontpage.

I can't read croatian.
Sorry but let me state some facts.
Most of Hum was Orthodox in Middle ages, they even had their own Orthodox Church.
Almost all Vukovic were Orthodox in Middle ages, read the Ottoman Censuses of tax payers.

[Lollipop]

No, it is not,. And they don't neeed to have origin from the same Vuk.
One thing is certain, Bosnia was Catholic Western Kingdom with some heretic minority and Western titles like Ban (which only exist among Croats while Serbs use Zupan) and orthodox Serbs ewere absolutely irrelevant factor there before there were settled by Ottomans.

This is just Ustasha propaganda.Stop stealing other's heroes.
Ban is a mongoloid word, this title also existed in Romania.

[Jana]

Orthodoxy in Bosnia is older than Ottomans.

Bogumili were one Orthodox brachs, their real name was Krstjani, not Bogumili.

Hahaha. They were brutally prosecuted by both orthodox and catholic, and they come from Bulgaria originally.
In any case they have nothing to do with Serbs.

[Сербо Макеридов]

Hahaha. They were brutally prosecuted by both orthodox and catholic, and they come from Bulgaria originally.
In any case they have nothing to do with Serbs.

Yes they were originaly from Bulgaria and Bulgaria was always Orthodox country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogomil_(priest)

[Jana]

This is just Ustasha propaganda.Stop stealing other's heroes.
Ban is a mongoloid word, this title also existed in Romania.

Why ? They are part of Bosnian history, not Serbian. And I never heard for Serb with Western Christian name Stjepan.
Who was Ban in Romania ?? ?

[Lollipop]

Why ? They are pert of Bosnian history, not Serbian. And I never heard for Serb with Western Christian name Stjepan.
Who was Ban in Romania ?? ?

It's a common title in Romania.

The title of medieval rulers of parts of Wallachia (Oltenia and Severin) since the 13th century. The Wallachian bans were military governors. Territory over which a ban ruled in Wallachia was called a banat (see article about Banat region).[5]

Everything Orthodox in Yugoslavia is part of Serbian history.

[Dick]

Why ? They are part of Bosnian history, not Serbian. And I never heard for Serb with Western Christian name Stjepan.
Who was Ban in Romania ?? ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banat

[Cool Story Bro]

I can't read croatian.
Sorry but let me state some facts.
Most of Hum was Orthodox in Middle ages, they even had their own Orthodox Church.
Almost all Vukovic were Orthodox in Middle ages, read the Ottoman Censuses of tax payers.
Krstjani were not orthodox. Holy shit read before you say something. They had their own "religion" which didnt belong to any catholic or orthodox branch. Pope ordered them to convert so catholics prosecuted them heavily during the middle ages. They were considered heretics.

[Jana]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banat
Dear Dick, Banat was never part of Romania until 1918, so it's name cannot be in any connection with them.

[Lollipop]

Krstjani were not orthodox. Holy shit read before you say something. They had their own "religion" which didnt belong to any catholic or orthodox branch. Pope ordered them to convert so catholics prosecuted them heavily during the middle ages. They were considered heretics.

Okay, thanks for your valuable input.I appreciate it.

[Jana]

It's a common title in Romania.


Everything Orthodox in Yugoslavia is part of Serbian history.

oooops

[Dick]

Dear Dick, Banat was never part of Romania until 1918, so it's name cannot be in any connection with them.
this:

During the Middle Ages, the term "banate" was designating a frontier province led by a military governor who was called ban. Such provinces existed mainly in South Slavic, Hungarian and Romanian lands. In South Slavic and other regional languages, terms for "banate" were: Serbian - бановина / banovina, Hungarian - bánság, Romanian - banat and Latin - banatus.

[Сербо Макеридов]

Krstjani were not orthodox. Holy shit read before you say something. They had their own "religion" which didnt belong to any catholic or orthodox branch. Pope ordered them to convert so catholics prosecuted them heavily during the middle ages. They were considered heretics.

They are originaly from Bulgaria, and Bulgaria was always Catholic. :picard1:

[Jana]

Ban is a Croatian title. Evenyone knows this.

[Сербо Макеридов]

Ban is a Croatian title. Evenyone knows this.

Title Ban is Avar origin.

[Dick]

Ban is a Croatian title. Evenyone knows this.


The Late Proto-Slavic word *banъ is not of native Slavic lexical stock and is generally considered to be a borrowing from a Turkic language.[8][6][9] The title's origin among medieval Croats is not completely understood,[10] and as much is hard to determine the exact source and to reconstruct the primal form of the Turkic word it is derived from.[11] It is generally explained as a derivation from the Avar name Bayan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ban_(title)

[Jana]

They are originaly from Bulgaria, and Bulgaria was always Catholic. :picard1:

Bogomilism (Bulgarian: Богомилство, Serbo-Croatian: Bogumilstvo/Богумилство) was a Christian neo-Gnostic or dualist religiopolitical sect founded in the First Bulgarian Empire by the priest Bogomil during the reign of Tsar Peter I in the 10th century.It most probably arose in what is today the region of Macedonia as a response to the social stratification that occurred with the introduction of feudalism and as a form of political movement and opposition to the Bulgarian state and the church.

Can somebody explain me, what is orthodox about this strange sect ?

[Voskos]

Ban/ben means son in arabic.

[Laberia]

This is just Ustasha propaganda.Stop stealing other's heroes.
Ban is a mongoloid word, this title also existed in Romania.

Great. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahhaahahah aha

[Dick]

Ban/ben means son in arabic.

https://www.behindthename.com/name/benjamin


From the Hebrew name בִּנְיָמִין (Binyamin) which means "son of the south"

[Сербо Макеридов]

Bogomilism (Bulgarian: Богомилство, Serbo-Croatian: Bogumilstvo/Богумилство) was a Christian neo-Gnostic or dualist religiopolitical sect founded in the First Bulgarian Empire by the priest Bogomil during the reign of Tsar Peter I in the 10th century.It most probably arose in what is today the region of Macedonia as a response to the social stratification that occurred with the introduction of feudalism and as a form of political movement and opposition to the Bulgarian state and the church.

Can somebody explain me, what is orthodox about this strange sect ?

Bogumili were one Orthodox sect originaly from Bulgaria.

[Jana]

Cool !

[Lollipop]

Dear Dick, Banat was never part of Romania until 1918, so it's name cannot be in any connection with them.

Idiot girl.THe hungarian firstly organised the region as Ban when it was inhabited by vlachs,cumans and pechenegs, to defend the borders and it was ruled by vlach ban's.This was the title of our rulers.


Ban is a Croatian title. Evenyone knows this.

No, its not.It's a mongoloid word.Are you really that dumb?The ban title is most commonly given in Romanian and Serbian areas.All of Romania regions were ruled by bans.

[Lollipop]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ban_(title)

Wiki is right.It's strange that croat's use ban, when it was a title used by Orthodox nations who made contact with turkic tribes.

[Jana]

Idiot girl.THe hungarian firstly organised the region as Ban when it was inhabited by vlachs,cumans and pechenegs, to defend the borders and it was ruled by vlach ban's.This was the title of our rulers.

No, its not.It's a mongoloid word.Are you really that dumb?The ban title is most commonly given in Romanian and Serbian areas.All of Romania regions were ruled by bans.

Last Croatian Ban was in 1939, we had bans titles for almost 1000 years. Serbs have not, they had Zupans.

Go away dirty Vlaho! And I Know you are half SLovak, so much about your ethnic ''purity'':eek:

[Dick]

Last Croatian Ban was in 1939, we had bans titles for almost 1000 years. Serbs have not, they had Zupans.


Župan is a noble and administrative title used in several states in Central and Southeastern Europe between the 7th century and the 21st century. It was (and in Croatia still is) the leader of the administrative unit župa (or zhupa, županija). The term in turn was adopted by the Hungarians as ispán and spread further.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%BDupan


In Polish, Czech, Slovak and Ukrainian allegedly from župan was shortened to pan, meaning "master, mister, sir".

maybe pan became Ban later on?

[Cool Story Bro]

They are originaly from Bulgaria, and Bulgaria was always Catholic. :picard1:

Im talking here about the 'Church of Bosnia', 'krstjani ' who were specific only to Bosnia. Before Ottomans invaded Bosnia the large majority of people were Catholics and u had a small minority of Orthodox and Krstjani. Vatican policy was to prosecute the heretics (krstjans). They were basicly a mix of catholics and orthodox. Church of Bosnia was founded in the frameworks of Catholic church and in teaching wise it was not any different from catholic church except Krstjani used some elements of east orthodox monasticism.

[Lollipop]

Last Croatian Ban was in 1939, we had bans titles for almost 1000 years. Serbs have not, they had Zupans.

Go away dirty Vlaho! And I Know you are half SLovak, so much about your ethnic ''purity'':eek:

I don't care.We are talking of Middle Ages here.First ban's where in territory of Romania-Serbia, a title borrowed from turkic tribes who ruled those lands.
I'm not half slovak.

[Lavrentis]

Turkish and Serbian pseudo-historians and pseudo-scientists have taken over this Forum. It will be a Clash of the Titans if we manage to get them fight each other.

[Lollipop]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%BDupan



maybe pan became Ban later on?


It was (and in Croatia still is) the leader of the administrative unit župa[...]

https://jokideo.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Reaction-pictures-laughing.jpg

[Jana]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%BDupan
maybe pan became Ban later on?

We have zupanije even today but I am talking about middle ages, Serbs had medieval Zupans, like this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_%C5%BDupan

[Сербо Макеридов]

Turkish and Serbian pseudo-historians and pseudo-scientists have taken over this Forum. It will be a Clash of the Titans if we manage to get them fight each other.

Shut up, you are Greek version of retarded Stears.

[Lavrentis]

Shut up, you are Greek version of retarded Stears.

SWEDES ARE SERBS SRBIJA DO TOKIJA FUCK VATICAN POPE HATES THE SERBS SERBS ARE THE CHOSEN PEOPLE OF GOD

[Jana]

I don't care.We are talking of Middle Ages here.First ban's where in territory of Romania-Serbia, a title borrowed from turkic tribes who ruled those lands.
I'm not half slovak.

Information was disclosed by very reliable source. Now I understand why you hate Hungarians so much...

[Сербо Макеридов]

SWEDES ARE SERBS SRBIJA DO TOKIJA FUCK VATICAN POPE HATES THE SERBS SERBS ARE THE CHOSEN PEOPLE OF GOD

:thumb001:

[Lollipop]

SWEDES ARE SERBS SRBIJA DO TOKIJA FUCK VATICAN POPE HATES THE SERBS SERBS ARE THE CHOSEN PEOPLE OF GOD

:thumb001:

[Jana]

Turkish and Serbian pseudo-historians and pseudo-scientists have taken over this Forum. It will be a Clash of the Titans if we manage to get them fight each other.

Turks are just muslim mongolized Serbs, no need for further debate ;)

[Lollipop]

Information was disclosed by very reliable source. Now I understand why you hate Hungarians so much...

Okay sugartits.

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/04/lol.gif

[Сербо Макеридов]

Turks are jusr muslim mongolized Serbs, no need for further debate ;)

Wrong, Turks are just slightly mongolized Greeks, Armenians and Kurds.

[Cool Story Bro]

SWEDES ARE SERBS SRBIJA DO TOKIJA FUCK VATICAN POPE HATES THE SERBS SERBS ARE THE CHOSEN PEOPLE OF GOD

Dude, its funny they talk shit to us but they were lapdogs of turks for 5 centuries. At least we fight them back.

[Jana]

Wrong, Turks are just slightly mongolized Greeks, Armenians and Kurds.
it was irony

[Сербо Макеридов]

Dude, its funny they talk shit to us but they were lapdogs of turks for 5 centuries. At least we fight them back.

Dude, do you have some problem?

[Cool Story Bro]

Dude, do you have some problem?

I have a problem with pseudo-history and idiots who believe in it.

[Lavrentis]

Dude, its funny they talk shit to us but they were lapdogs of turks for 5 centuries. At least we fight them back.

Serbs were the ones who led the Turks to Europe. Even in the Siege of Constantinople they were on the Turkish side.

[Lavrentis]

Wrong, Turks are just slightly mongolized Greeks, Armenians and Kurds.

Not even 3% of Turks has Greek ancestry. Turks don't have Greek origins at all, OWD Turks want to convince Europeans that they have Greek blood in order to be accepted as Europeans.

[Сербо Макеридов]

Serbs were the ones who led the Turks to Europe. Even in the Siege of Constantinople they were on the Turkish side.

Stop talking BS, John Kantakouzenos brought Turks into Europe, and he was ethnic Greek.

[Сербо Макеридов]

Not even 3% of Turks has Greek ancestry. Turks don't have Greek origins at all, OWD Turks want to convince Europeans that they have Greek blood in order to be accepted as Europeans.

What was happen with Anatolian Greeks wich are islamized, they are part of Turkish nation today.

[Lavrentis]

Stop talking BS, John Kantakouzenos brought Turks into Europe, and he was ethnic Greek.

He employed Turkish mercenaries and used them in a Byzantine civil war.

There are more than 3 battles where European forces had to fight a Turkish-Serbian coalition.

[Lavrentis]

What was happen with Anatolian Greeks wich are islamized, they are part of Turkish nation today.

Anatolian Greeks were genetically Anatolian. Besides most of Anatolia was Islamized when the Turks conquered it, are you telling me that all these people were Greeks?

[Сербо Макеридов]

He employed Turkish mercenaries and used them in a Byzantine civil war.

There are more than 3 battles where European forces had to fight a Turkish-Serbian coalition.

Kantakouzenos and his allies Turks fought against Serbian emperor Dušan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Demotika

[Jana]

On topic, Nikola Tesla was M458 which is rare haplogroup among Southern Slavs. I Wonder what was his subclade, because some consider it proto West-Slavic marker.

[Lavrentis]

Kantakouzenos and his allies Turks fought against Serbian emperor Dušan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Demotika

It was a civil war, and there were Byzantine troops who fought in the side of Stefan Dusan.

[Сербо Макеридов]

On topic, Nikola Tesla was M458 which is rare haplogroup among Southern Slavs. I Wonder what was his subclade, because some consider it proto West-Slavic marker.

L1029

[Voskos]

Serbs are the shame of orthodoxy

[Lollipop]

On topic, Nikola Tesla was M458 which is rare haplogroup among Southern Slavs. I Wonder what was his subclade, because some consider it proto West-Slavic marker.

Now that's just next level of insanity.If Tesla was indeed a R1A-M458, then he would have looke like this.

https://www.counter-currents.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Untermensch.jpeg

[Сербо Макеридов]

Serbs are the shame of orthodoxy

Why?

[Laberia]

Turkish and Serbian pseudo-historians and pseudo-scientists have taken over this Forum. It will be a Clash of the Titans if we manage to get them fight each other.

Nooooo, you are wrong. According to Ahmet Davutoğlu the father of neo-Ottomanism, servia is the best ally of Turkey in Balkans.
http://www.trtworld.com/europe/davutoglu-says-turkish-serbian-bond-to-secure-balkans-peace-19969

Davutoglu said, “Ones could try to provoke the Serbs against the Turks and the Turks against the Serbs. Prejudices could be created, but our expectation from business world is to break down these prejudices making the friendship between Turkey and Serbia backbone of the Balkans peace,” speaking during a dinner organised by the Turkey-Serbia Business Forum on Monday.

“We have a resolute stance concerning this friendship. Turkey holds such a vision toward Serbia. Our demand from your community [Turkey-Serbia Business Forum] is to project this togetherness created by our political will into economic life,” Turkish prime minister stated.

He also informed that the countries “have decided on formation of a high-level cooperation council between Turkey and Serbia," according to Turkey’s Anadolu Agency.

Turkish-Serbian relations go centuries back, having a complicated state of affairs with ups and downs. Both nations had long lived under the Ottoman Empire tutelage after Serbia had been a part of the Empire in the 16th century.

“If the Turks and Serbs stand shoulder to shoulder, it will surely be the best message we could give to the people of the Balkans,” Davutoglu emphasised.

[Jana]

L1029
So it isn't west slavic branch (L260) but another subclade of more mysterious origin. It is most common in Poland

[Jana]

Now that's just next level of insanity.If Tesla was indeed a R1A-M458, then he would have looke like this.
https://www.counter-currents.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Untermensch.jpeg

These are ugly stereotypes. He does not look North Slavic for sure, but haplogroups don't determine phenotype, autosomal admixture does.

[Laberia]

Turks are just muslim mongolized Serbs, no need for further debate ;)

I think you are wrong, it`s the opposite. Sali Aga (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sali_Aga) is moving in his grave now.

[Сербо Макеридов]

So it isn't west slavic branch (L260) but another subclade of more mysterious origin. It is most common in Poland

Look at here (pred kraj stranice) dnk.poreklo.rs/tabela-pojedinacne-grupe/?grp-filter=R1a

[Dick]

So it isn't west slavic branch (L260) but another subclade of more mysterious origin. It is most common in Poland

L1029, a subclade of M458, can be correlated with the expansion of the Lusatian Culture of 1300-700 BCE. The name is derived from the Sorbian region of Lusatia (Lausitz), now in east Germany, where monuments of the culture were first discovered and studied.

some people tested at ftdna:

http://www.eupedia.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5900&d=1371775307

[Jana]

Look at here (pred kraj stranice) dnk.poreklo.rs/tabela-pojedinacne-grupe/?grp-filter=R1a

Thanks.

[Jana]

L1029, a subclade of M458, can be correlated with the expansion of the Lusatian Culture of 1300-700 BCE. The name is derived from the Sorbian region of Lusatia (Lausitz), now in east Germany, where monuments of the culture were first discovered and studied.

some people tested at ftdna:

http://www.eupedia.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5900&d=1371775307

I guess he is very likely of White Serb origin as they originate from East Germany area.

[Dick]

I guess he is very likely of White Serb origin as they originate from East Germany area.

It seems to be the original marker. There were already Slav tribes in the Balkans from earlier migrations(associated with I2a1b folk) so assimilation was probably easy.

[Rethel]

L1029, a subclade of M458, can be correlated with the expansion of the Lusatian Culture of 1300-700 BCE. The name is derived from the Sorbian region of Lusatia (Lausitz), now in east Germany, where monuments of the culture were first discovered and studied.


Too young. https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-L1029/

[Lollipop]

These are ugly stereotypes. He does not look North Slavic for sure, but haplogroups don't determine phenotype, autosomal admixture does.

Even me, with my superior WHG admixture, I don't think I'm quite close to that of Scandinavians,yet how do you explain that I've been told that I look like Optimus Prime?

[Jana]

It seems to be the original marker. There were already Slav tribes in the Balkans from earlier migrations(associated with I2a1b folk) so assimilation was probably easy.

Yes, that is likely.

Croats and Serbs come from area rich in R1a (Western slavic lands) while Slavic tribes they encountered in Southeastern Europe entered from I2a1b rich area (eastern slavic lands) before them.

[Сербо Макеридов]

I guess he is very likely of White Serb origin as they originate from East Germany area.

For sure, but some Albanians, Romanians, Croats and Greeks claims that he was Albanian, Romanian, Croat and Greek.

Croats because he is born in Lika, Greeks because his suirname sounds similar as Thessaly, and Albanians ans Romanians I have no idea why.

[Rethel]

Thanks.

What is it "beautifull fame" there? :confused:

[Dick]

Even me, with my superior WHG admixture, I don't think I'm quite close to that of Scandinavians,yet how do you explain that I've been told that I look like Optimus Prime?
Nobody on the forum beat my similarity to Loschbour man!

http://i.imgur.com/cV6FZUT.jpg

[Lollipop]

Nobody on the forum beat my similarity to Loschbour man!

http://i.imgur.com/cV6FZUT.jpg

I remember getting 2088 segments, are you sure?

[Rethel]

Nobody on the forum beat my similarity to Loschbour man!

http://i.imgur.com/cV6FZUT.jpg

So how close are you related to him in human language?

[Voskos]

Greeks don't claim Tesla.lol

[Dick]

I remember getting 2088 segments, are you sure?

:D

[Lavrentis]

For sure, but some Albanians, Romanians, Croats and Greeks claims that he was Albanian, Romanian, Croat and Greek.

Croats because he is born in Lika, Greeks because his suirname sounds similar as Thessaly, and Albanians ans Romanians I have no idea why.

I've never heard of a Greek claiming that Tesla was a Greek.

He was of Vlachic origin.

[Сербо Макеридов]

Greeks don't claim Tesla.lol

Some individuals claims.

[Сербо Макеридов]

I've never heard of a Greek claiming that Tesla was a Greek.

He was of Vlachic origin.

Vlach with Slavic haplogroup R1a-M458, well done you are very inteligent. :dumbass:

[Jana]

I've never heard of a Greek claiming that Tesla was a Greek.
He was of Vlachic origin.

He was Serb, R1a-M458 has really no connections with Vlachs. Serbs of Croatia had Vlach status (social cathegory) but they are mostly of Slavic origins.

[Lollipop]

He was Serb, R1a-M458 has really no connections with Vlachs. Serbs of Croatia had Vlach status (social cathegory) but they are mostly of Slavic origins.

A few days ago you were fighting tooth and nail that he's not only croat, but a proud ustasha and if he were alive he would surely try to neck all serbs for even suggesting he might be of serb origin.

[Jana]

Even me, with my superior WHG admixture, I don't think I'm quite close to that of Scandinavians,yet how do you explain that I've been told that I look like Optimus Prime?
Who was that ? Romanians have more farmer than WHG admixture by the way. But yes, as half-Slovak, it could be....


What is it "beautifull fame" there? :confused:
You mean krsna slava. Beautiful = krasna, similar word :)
It is custom specific to Serbs and probably of Paleo-Balkanite origins:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slava

[Jana]

I LIKE TO LIE
Tesla loved Croatia and considered it his homeland. Ethnically he was Serb.

Everything else is a lie.

[Lollipop]

Who was that ? Romanians have more farmer than WHG admixture by they way. But yes, as half-Slovak, it could be....


You mean krsna slava. Beautiful = krasna, similar word :)
It is custom specific to Serbs and probably of Paleo-Balkanite origins:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slava

Sugartits, I have told you before.I'm not half slovak.I think you want me to be half slovak, because you have a hard on for them.

[Lavrentis]

Vlach with Slavic haplogroup R1a-M458, well done you are very inteligent. :dumbass:

Having a Slavic haplogroup doesn't make him a full Slav.

Does he look Slavic to you?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/Tesla_circa_1890.jpeg

[Rethel]

You mean krsna slava. Beautiful = krasna, similar word :)
It is custom specific to Serbs and probably of Paleo-Balkanite origins:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slava

Terrible.
Especially, that my supposed relatives take part in this pagan tradition :pout:

[Сербо Макеридов]

Autosomal DNA of western Serbs (Serbs from Bosnia and Croatia)

K12b

North_Euro - 41,19%

Atlantic_Med - 27,44%

Caucasus - 20,32%

SW_Asian - 5,26%

Gedrosia - 4,28%

Siberian - 0,60%

South_Asian - 0,30%

NW_African - 0,25%

East_Asian - 0,17%

SE_Asian - 0,15%

Sub_Saharan - 0,00%


Only idiots can claim that Serbs from Croatia and Bosnia are Vlach origin, DNA of Vlachs is tottaly different.

[Jana]

Sugartits, I have told you before.I'm not half slovak.I think you want me to be half slovak, because you have a hard on for them.
Sorry, but only men can have a ''hard on'' :eek:

I heard your mother is Slovak. It explains your face, you looks bit west baltid (common among Slovaks)

And it also means, you are partly papist , too.......

[Lollipop]

Tesla loved Croatia and considered it his homeland. Ethnically he was Serb.

Everything else is a lie.

Okay then , how do you explain , and I quote
Feiichy: "According to Tesla, he wished all serbs had a single neck, so he could strangle them to death"

[Lavrentis]

If Lollipop is half Slovak then it proves my theory that Romanians and Slovaks have a weird love for Serbia for some reason. This guy defends Serbia like its his homeland. I've seen his old posts too when he posted as 'Deymark'.

[Jana]

Having a Slavic haplogroup doesn't make him a full Slav.
Does he look Slavic to you?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/Tesla_circa_1890.jpeg

He has what would old people call ''vlach look'', but mediterranean/paleo Balkan genes are dominant over lighter northern ones, so many Sothern Slavs will look much less Slavic than they genetically are.

[Lollipop]

If Lollipop is half Slovak then it proves my theory that Romanians and Slovaks have a weird love for Serbia for some reason. This guy defends Serbia like its his homeland. I've seen his old posts too when he posted as 'Deymark'.

I'm not Deymark.


Sorry, but only men can have a ''hard on'' :eek:

I heard your mother is Slovak. It explains your face, you looks bit west baltid (common among Slovaks)

And it also means, you are partly papist , too.......

And I'm certainly not slovak.

[Сербо Макеридов]

If Lollipop is half Slovak then it proves my theory that Romanians and Slovaks have a weird love for Serbia for some reason. This guy defends Serbia like its his homeland. I've seen his old posts too when he posted as 'Deymark'.

What do you care for Lollipo and his relations to Serbia?

For some reason you hate Serbs, and you expect that other people also hate Serbs, what is your problem with Serbs dude?

[Lavrentis]

What do you care for Lollipo and his relations to Serbia?

For some reason you hate Serbs, and you expect that other people also hate Serbs, what is your problem with Serbs dude?

I don't hate Serbs, but its weird that this Romanian guy supports Serbia so much.

If Russia invades Romania, Serbs will be the first who will join as volunteers in the Russian side. They have done the same in the wars of Russia in Georgia and Ukraine.

[Сербо Макеридов]

He has what would old people call ''vlach look'', but mediterranean/paleo Balkan genes are dominant over lighter northern ones, so many Sothern Slavs will look much less Slavic than they genetically are.

Vlachs look like this

https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/young-aromanians-14446060.jpg

https://youtu.be/vpFUQ-jhTCs

https://youtu.be/z6y77blgi0g

[Jana]

Vlachs look like this

https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/young-aromanians-14446060.jpg

https://youtu.be/vpFUQ-jhTCs

https://youtu.be/z6y77blgi0g

Those are Romanophone Vlachs, our ''Vlachs'' look very different. In Croatia everone wih dinaric phenotype like Tesla is considered Vlach looking despite these people are of Slavic origins and dinarics are common among Carpathian Slavs too.

[Сербо Макеридов]

Those are Romanophone Vlachs, our ''Vlachs'' look very different. In Croatia everone wih dinaric phenotype like Tesla is considered Vlach looking despite these people are of Slavic origins and dinarics are common among Carpathian Slavs too.

Word Vlachs has many meanings.

Toše Proeski was Vlach, here sing in Aromanian language.


https://youtu.be/KT_n1CofZV0

Vlachs from southern Balkans are not Dinarids, they are mostly Meds and Alpine.

[Jana]

Word Vlachs has many meanings.

Toše Proeski was Vlach, here sing in Aromanian language.


https://youtu.be/KT_n1CofZV0

Vlachs from southern Balkans are not Dinarids, they are mostly Med or Alpine-Med.

Yes, and I don't think he looked odd for a Bulgarian for example.

[Сербо Макеридов]

Yes, and I don't think he looked odd for a Bulgarian for example.

He is Alpine-Turanid, some Vlachs from southern Balkans have Turanid influence from Cumans and Pechenegs.

https://www.teksteshqip.com/img_upz/allart_full/70192.jpg

[Jana]

He is Alpine-Turanid, some Vlachs from southern Balkans have Turanid influence from Cumans and Pechenegs.
https://www.teksteshqip.com/img_upz/allart_full/70192.jpg

And from original Bulgars.

[Сербо Макеридов]

And from original Bulgars.

Probably.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megleno-Romanians#Origins


Do you know your haplogroup, I mean of your father?

[Jana]

Probably.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megleno-Romanians#Origins
Do you know your haplogroup, I mean of your father?

Yes, same as yours (he is PH908 branch).

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Yes, it does. Kosaca was medieval Bosnian noble family. However I had modern surname Vukovic (not speaking about historical figgure) in mind, it is mostly Croatian. And name Vlatko too.

Vlatko is Croatian name, originating from Bosnia, but Vukovic is Serbian surname.

[Сербо Макеридов]

Yes, same as yours (he is PH908 branch).

My maternal grandfather is PH908.

[Jana]

Vlatko is Croatian name, originating from Bosnia, but Vukovic is Serbian surname.
I already wrote that absolute majority of Vukovics in Croatia are ethnic Croats.
It comes from personal name Vuk which was used by both Croats and Serbs in middle ages and is today more common among Serbs.

Croats and Serbs share many surnames (like this one) without necessary being from same source, for example Bogdan (Slavic name)- Bogdanovic
Ivan-Ivanovic (son of Ivan) and so on. They can descend from same or two totaly different tribes. You have Ivanov in Russia and Bulgaria, they are not related.

[Jana]

My maternal grandfather is PH908.
you are dinaric north subclade ?

[Сербо Макеридов]

you are dinaric north subclade ?

Yes.

Dinaric North is stronger among Serbs from Krajina then among Serbs from Serbia and BiH.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Yes.

Dinaric North is stronger among Serbs from Krajina then among Serbs from Serbia and BiH.

How you know precisely your haplogroups?

[Jana]

Yes.

Dinaric North is stronger among Serbs from Krajina then among Serbs from Serbia and BiH.

That is really interesting, I'm suprised because dinaric north is more eastern oriented and dinaric south more western in fact (FTDNA admin told me that).
Most of Croats are dinaric-south.

And northern branch is older.

[Сербо Макеридов]

How you know precisely your haplogroups?

My close relative (by male line) is tested.

[Сербо Макеридов]

That is really interesting, I'm suprised because dinaric north is more eastern oriented and dinaric south more western in fact (FTDNA admin told me that).
Most of Croats are dinaric-south.

And northern branch is older.

Among Serbs from Krajina is around 50-50 (south-north), and among Serbs from other regions south is about 70-80%.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

So where is Stears to proove us Hungarian European genetics :icon_lol:

[Сербо Макеридов]

With such non-European nose and mouth form ?

Only his hair is depigmented, his face looks similar shape like australoid and has coal black eyes. How much time HAve you wasted to find light-haired Serbian ?

Wehehehe

You idiot, he is not depigmented australoid, he is Nordid+Borreby.

[Jana]

So where is Stears to proove us Hungarian European genetics :icon_lol:
They have more European HG ancestry than Southern Slavs in general, so he's right.

[Сербо Макеридов]

They have more European HG ancestry than Southern Slavs in general, so he's right.

Your boyfriend is hungarizes Swabian, real Hungarians are Turanids as Istvan Csukas and Istvan Pasztor.

[Lollipop]

They have more European HG ancestry than Southern Slavs in general, so he's right.

hungarians have it almost entirely from baltids,Yugoslavs have from western CM(boreby-brun..)

[Jana]

Your boyfriend is hungarizes Swabian, real Hungarians are Turanids as Istvan Csukas and Istvan Pasztor.
He has no any German ancestry whatsoever. And I don't see anything too exotic about these two mentioned genetlemen, eastern Europe is full of people like that.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

You idiot, he is not depigmented australoid, he is Nordid+Borreby.

Western Europe is infected of Mauritanian Arabs.
Pirineys (Iberian peninsula) was 700+ years under Ummeyad (Arab) Empire, and he say that West Europeans are non-infected but just Easterns and Balkan :DD

[Vlatko Vukovic]

He has no any German ancestry whatsoever. And I don't see anything too exotic about these two mentioned genetlemen, eastern Europe is full of people like that.

We dont have Turanian looking people like Hungarians have... so it is really incorrect to say that Hungarians have more European genetics then South Slavs.

[Сербо Макеридов]

He has no any German ancestry whatsoever. And I don't see anything too exotic about these two mentioned genetlemen, eatsern Europe is full of people like that.

Hungarians as Istvan Csukas are the worst nightmare of you boyfriend, but they are pure Hungarians, your boyfriend have western branchs of R1b which means that he is German (Swabian) origin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germans_of_Hungary

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magyarization


https://youtu.be/kA9OYgwfVnA

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Hungarians as Istvan Csukas are the worst nightmare of you boyfriend, but they are pure Hungarians, your boyfriend have western branchs of R1b which means that he is German (Swabian) origin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germans_of_Hungary

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magyarization


https://youtu.be/kA9OYgwfVnA

Yes, this is how real Hungarians looked, and if your boyfriend is real Hungarian ethnic, his ancestor before 1000 years looked like Istvan.

[Jana]

We dont have Turanian looking people like Hungarians have... so it is really incorrect to say that Hungarians have more European genetics then South Slavs.
They are genetically closer to core Slavic regions than Southern Slavs are (and Southern Slavs are very different genetically between themselvs)- or, more Northern European influenced. And Turanoid-admixed people are not hard to find in Bosnia.


Hungarians as Istvan Csukas are the worst nightmare of you boyfriend, but they are pure Hungarians, your boyfriend have western branchs of R1b which means that he is German (Swabian) origin.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germans_of_Hungary
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magyarization

https://youtu.be/kA9OYgwfVnA

No, he does not. I am partly German from Vojvodina, not him. And R1b-U106 was found among Hungarian conquerors (I2-dinaric as well) so your claims are false.
Btw Istvan Csukas def. has Turanian admixture, so what ? He is light pigmented and old in that photos (best age to classify is between 20-30 yrs old).

[Lollipop]

They are genetically closer to core Slavic regions than Southern Slavs are (and Southern Slavs are very different gentically between themselvs)- or, more Northern European influenced. And Turanoid-admixed people are not hard to find in Bosnia.



No, he does not. I am partly German from Vojvodina, not him. And R1b-U106 was found among Hungarian conquerors (I2-dinaric as well) so your claims are false.
Btw Istvan Csukas def. has Turanian admixture, so what ? He is light pigmented and old in that photos (best age to classify is between 20-30 yrs old).

NO!
That sample and the I2-din was picked from Ukraine by Hungarian conquerors.
Hungarian conquerors were all Q,N,T!
His western branch is very common among schwabians, why do you deny this?It's fully western, not even the R1b from Bashkiria(ancient magyar territory)...

As for the claims that south-slavs are very different.You are the only person that 'can' differentiate croats from other yugoslavs.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

They are genetically closer to core Slavic regions than Southern Slavs are (and Southern Slavs are very different gentically between themselvs)- or, more Northern European influenced. And Turanoid-admixed people are not hard to find in Bosnia.



No, he does not. I am partly German from Vojvodina, not him. And R1b-U106 was found among Hungarian conquerors (I2-dinaric as well) so your claims are false.
Btw Istvan Csukas def. has Turanian admixture, so what ? He is light pigmented and old in that photos (best age to classify is between 20-30 yrs old).

In my town Sarajevo is really hard to find some turanoid admixed people. Mostly people have brown eyes, it is true. But 0 mans from Bosnia looks like Istvan.

[Сербо Макеридов]

They are genetically closer to core Slavic regions than Southern Slavs are (and Southern Slavs are very different gentically between themselvs)- or, more Northern European influenced. And Turanoid-admixed people are not hard to find in Bosnia.



No, he does not. I am partly German from Vojvodina, not him. And R1b-U106 was found among Hungarian conquerors (I2-dinaric as well) so your claims are false.
Btw Istvan Csukas def. has Turanian admixture, so what ? He is light pigmented and old in that photos (best age to classify is between 20-30 yrs old).

Your boyfriend is from western Hungary are there are a lot of hungarized Germans, in northern/central Hungary many Hungarians have Slovakian roots.

Hungarians from Vojvodina, Romania, southern and eastern Hungary often have Turanid influence.

Examples of Turanids and Turanid influence among Hungarians from Vojvodina.

https://youtu.be/-y7wYINHT64?t=33m26s

https://youtu.be/-y7wYINHT64?t=35m41s

https://youtu.be/-y7wYINHT64?t=23m1s

https://youtu.be/-y7wYINHT64?t=17m50s

https://youtu.be/sssj6tyazK8?t=17m6s

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Also, it is very important thing that, when Hungarians settled in Europe, their religion was TENGRI. Tengrism is practised in Central Asia.

[Jana]

NO!
That sample and the I2-din was picked from Ukraine by Hungarian conquerors.
Hungarian conquerors were all Q,N,T!
His western branch is very common among schwabians, why do you deny this?It's fully western, not even the R1b from Bashkiria(ancient magyar territory)...
Probably, steppe tribes assimilated other groups among them. But those conquerors had SIBERIAN mtDNA, so they were not recent assimilants.
Stears paternal ancestry is from place where no Swabians or any other Germanic people lived.


As for the claims that south-slavs are very different.You are the only person that 'can' differentiate croats from other yugoslavs.
Genetically it's easy. Or you mean looks ? Usually Southern Slavs are able to do it.

[Jana]

In my town Sarajevo is really hard to find some turanoid admixed people. Mostly people have brown eyes, it is true. But 0 mans from Bosnia looks like Istvan.

But I have been to Bosnia, it is rare, but exist. Mongoloid admix is equally rare in central Europe and balkans, it increased only in eastern/northeastern Europe :)
http://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/East-Asian-admixture.gif

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Probably, steppe tribes assimilated other groups among them. But those conquerors had SIBERIAN mtDNA, so they were not recent assimilants.
Stears paternal ancestry is from place where no Swabians or any other Germanic people lived.


Genetically it's easy. Or you mean looks ? Usually Southern Slavs are able to do it.

Faces of Southerns Slavs are similar. Maybe Croats have more Nordic influence then others. That is maybe just difference.

[Lollipop]

Probably, steppe tribes assimilated other groups among them. But those conquerors had SIBERIAN mtDNA, so they were not recent assimilants.
Stears paternal ancestry is from place where no Swabians or any other Germanic people lived.


Genetically it's easy. Or you mean looks ? Usually Southern Slavs are able to do it.

Look.Ever since you came on this forum, all you did is talk out of your ass.
The magyars stayed only a little in North-West of Black Sea, so they were recent assimilants.
R1b-U106 is the most common in Southern Germany, the home of Schawbians!It's also very common among schwabian descendent people.
Your boyfriend is a recent 18th century immigrant in Hungarian Kingdom.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

But I have been to Bosnia, it is rare, but exist. Mongoloid admix is equally rare in central Europe and balkans, it increased only in eastern/northeastern Europe :)
http://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/East-Asian-admixture.gif

Of course Eastern Europe has this admixture, but Western Europe (Iberan peninsula) have Semitic (Arab) admixture of Mauritanians.

[Dick]

Faces of Southerns Slavs are similar. Maybe Croats have more Nordic influence then others. That is maybe just difference.
Nordid or nordic? I'd rather say more fat round potato slavic faces than long Nordid faces.

[Сербо Макеридов]

Your boyfriend is from western Hungary are there are a lot of hungarized Germans, in northern/central Hungary many Hungarians have Slovakian roots.

Hungarians from Vojvodina, Romania, southern and eastern Hungary often have Turanid influence.

Examples of Turanids and Turanid influence among Hungarians from Vojvodina.

https://youtu.be/-y7wYINHT64?t=33m26s

https://youtu.be/-y7wYINHT64?t=35m41s

https://youtu.be/-y7wYINHT64?t=23m1s

https://youtu.be/-y7wYINHT64?t=17m50s

https://youtu.be/sssj6tyazK8?t=17m6s

Hungarians from Vojvodina, Romania and southrn and eastern Hungary are purest Hungarians than Hungarians froms Stears region (mostly hungarized Swabians), because they have more Turanid and Pamirid influence which are real Hungarian physiognomy.

[Jana]

Look.Ever since you came on this forum, all you did is talk out of your ass.
The magyars stayed only a little in North-West of Black Sea, so they were recent assimilants.
R1b-U106 is the most common in Southern Germany, the home of Schawbians!It's also very common among schwabian descendent people.
Your boyfriend is a recent 18th century immigrant in Hungarian Kingdom.

Wrong. It is most common in north-west Germany and Netherlands.

[Lavrentis]

Serbo Makeridov is jealous that Hungarians are genetically more Slavic than Serbs. He has an inferiority complex against Hungarians, you can see it from his posts.


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[Jana]

Nordid or nordic? I'd rather say more fat round potato slavic faces than long Nordid faces.

Slovenians have more nordids/nordics than Croats. And yep, in Slavonia Slavonic potato-faces (baltids) are common.
It is actually Dalmatia where you can find more narrow/long faced people with light pigmentation than elswhere, but they don't look north European, rather like this :
http://www.rio-rijeka.hr/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/sukno-1-of-12.jpg

[Сербо Макеридов]

Wrong. It is most common in north-west Germany and Netherlands.

It still means that you boyfriend have German origin, and that he is not real Hungarian.

[Lollipop]

Wrong. It is most common in north-west Germany and Netherlands.

Kek.Caught yea.
So a few minutes ago you were claiming it is autochtonous.
Thanks for the confirmation.

Anyway, I did not need your confirmation.Obviously R1b-U106 has no tangency with magyar's since its origin is in S.Germany and most of its descendents are outside Hungary.

[Jana]

Serbo Makeridov is jealous that Hungarians are genetically more Slavic than Serbs. He has an inferiority complex against Hungarians, you can see it from his posts.


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They are not more Slavic than Serbs. Serbs have more Slavic haplogroups than Hungarians, who have more of Celto-Germanic admixture. They are just more Northern European influenced which pulls them closer to Northern Slavs.

[Lollipop]

It still means that you boyfriend have German origin, and that he is not real Hungarian.

No hungarian in Hungary is autochtonous.The original magyars numbered a few thousand people after Lechfield defeat...
They are assimilated carphatian basin slavs mostly, followed by slavo-germans mix


They are not more Slavic than Serbs. Serbs have more Slavic haplogroups than Hungarians, who have more of Celto-Germanic admixture. They are just more Northern European influenced which pulls them closer to Northern Slavs.

Hungarians R1a: 29.5
Serbia R1a: 18


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[Сербо Макеридов]

Serbo Makeridov is jealous that Hungarians are genetically more Slavic than Serbs. He has an inferiority complex against Hungarians, you can see it from his posts.


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Wrong, I am jealous because Greeks looks more Anatolian and Middle Eastern than Serbs, because Anatolia and Middle East are created the greatest world civilizations.

[Jana]

Hungarians from Vojvodina, Romania and southrn and eastern Hungary are purest Hungarians than Hungarians froms Stears region (mostly hungarized Swabians), because they have more Turanid and Pamirid influence which are real Hungarian physiognomy.

Stears father is not from Western Hungary and he is a pure Magyar.

[Lollipop]

Stears father is not from Western Hungary and he is a pure Magyar.

There does not exist such thing as pure Magyar.Ethnically speaking.
His parents were magyar speaking for many generation you mean.

[Lavrentis]

They are not more Slavic than Serbs. Serbs have more Slavic haplogroups than Hungarians, who have more of Celto-Germanic admixture. They are just more Northern European influenced which pulls them closer to Northern Slavs.

That's hard to believe. Hungarians are very genetically close to Slovaks, why is that?


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[Lavrentis]

Wrong, I am jealous because Greeks looks more Anatolian and Middle Eastern than Serbs, because Anatolia and Middle East are created the greatest world civilizations.

Greeks have assimilated Middle Easterners because of our historical presence in the area.


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[Jana]

No hungarian in Hungary is autochtonous.The original magyars numbered a few thousand people after Lechfield defeat...
They are assimilated carphatian basin slavs mostly, followed by slavo-germans mix

Hungarians R1a: 29.5
Serbia R1a: 18


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Why are you Romanians Vlach-speaking Slavs ? What happened with ancient Dacian genes ?

[Lollipop]

Why are you Romanians Vlach-speaking Slavs ? What happened with ancient Dacian genes ?

Now you're just changing subject.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Stears father is not from Western Hungary and he is a pure Magyar.

Northern Slavs?? Who are Northern Slavs. Slavs are classified to Western, Eastern and South.

Btw. looking of original Magyaro-Turkic people here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvTgXAnbj6Y

[Jana]

That's hard to believe. Hungarians are very genetically close to Slovaks, why is that?
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Not really. They are closer to Slovenians, Croats and Austrians than to Slovaks. Slovaks are closer to Southern Poles and Czechs than to Hungarians.

[Jana]

Now you're just changing subject.
Almost half of your male lineages are Slavic (R1a + I2a). That's a lot :)

[Lavrentis]

Not really. They are closer to Slovenians, Croats and Austrians than to Slovaks. Slovaks are closer to Southern Poles and Czechs than to Hungarians.

So you're telling me that Hungarians are closer to south Slavs (Croats) than to Slovaks?

The third most common Hungarian surname is 'Toth'. 'Toth' means Slovak.


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[Lollipop]

Almostt half of your male lineages are Slavic (R1a + I2a). That's a lot :)

Still more autochtonous than your 18th century immigrant boyfriend.

[Сербо Макеридов]

Greeks have assimilated Middle Easterners because of our historical presence in the area.


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Exactly, and because of that you have more Anatolian and Middle Eastern DNA, but I am jalaus of that because Anatolia and Middle East created the greatest civilizations in history.

[Lavrentis]

Axactly, and because of that you have more Anatolian and Middle Eastern DNA, but I am jalaus of that because Anatolia and Middle East created the greatest civilizations in history.

I don't care if one of my countrymen is of Anatolian (Middle Eastern) or Arvanite (Albanian) origins. We are all humans.

Even if Greeks have assimilated Middle Easterners, it's the Serbs who are known as Turks and gypsies by their neighbors. There has to be a reason for that.


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[Voskos]

Everyone in the balkans has some caucasian dna. It stretches up to austria.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Almost half of your male lineages are Slavic (R1a + I2a). That's a lot :)

So what is bad in that they have some slavic ancestry?? Romanian people are mainly mixed Slavic and Dacian people.

[Jana]

So you're telling me that Hungarians are closer to south Slavs (Croats) than to Slovaks?

The third most common Hungarian surname is 'Toth'. 'Toth' means Slovak.


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Yes. You can ask Slovak user Karlol Klacansky about that, he has many Slovak results. What's strange in that ? Panonnian Slavs were Southern not Western Slavs.
PS Stears told me that Toth only later meant Slovak, before it meant any Catholic Slav. There's Horvath in Hungary and Slovakia as top 5 common name...

Slovaks are more northeastern shiften than Hungarians. But I guess NE Hungarians should be closer to them.

[Lollipop]

Yes. You can ask Slovak user Karlol Klacansky about that, he has many Slovak results. What's strange in that ? Panonnian Slavs were Southern not Western Slavs.
PS Stears told me that Toth only later meant Slovak, before it meant any Catholic Slav. There's Horvath in Hungary and Slovakia as top 5 common name...

Slovaks are more northeastern shiften than Hungarians. But I guess NE Hungarians should be closer to them.

>hungarians MUST be closer to South Slavs , and specifically Croats, than to SLovaks because I am croat and my bf is hungarian

phew nice argument you got there.

[Lavrentis]

Yes. You can ask Slovak user Karlol Klacansky about that, he has many Slovak results. What's strange in that ? Panonnian Slavs were Southern not Western Slavs.
PS Stears told me that Toth only later meant Slovak, before it meant any Catholic Slav. There's Horvath in Hungary and Slovakia as top 5 common name...

Slovaks are more northeastern shiften than Hungarians. But I guess NE Hungarians should be closer to them.

The surname 'Horvath' meant any south Slav, a Slovak user explained that on Reddit.

So Hungarians are more Central Euro shifted? Because Czechs are more Central Euro than Hungarians for example.


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[Сербо Макеридов]

I don't care if one of my countrymen is of Anatolian (Middle Eastern) or Arvanite (Albanian) origins. We are all humans.

Even if Greeks have assimilated Middle Easterners, it's the Serbs who are known as Turks and gypsies by their neighbors. There has to be a reason for that.


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Here are Y DNA of Bosnian Serbs imgur.com/8p5XcVn

As you can see I2a is 33% and R1a is 26%, which means that Bosnian Serbs have 59% Slavic Y DNA.

In Serbia there is a 53% Slavic Y DNA (I2a 35%, R1a 18%).

Hungarians have 45,5% Slavic Y DNA (R1a 29,5%, I2a 16%).

If you're not runnig away from classes of mathematics, the you know who is more Slavic.

[Lavrentis]

>hungarians MUST be closer to South Slavs , and specifically Croats, than to SLovaks because I am croat and my bf is hungarian

phew nice argument you got there.

Do you have a source that says that Hungarians are closer to Croats than Slovaks? Because I too find that hard to believe.


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[Vlatko Vukovic]

The surname 'Horvath' meant any south Slav, a Slovak user explained that on Reddit.

So Hungarians are more Central Euro shifted? Because Czechs are more Central Euro than Hungarians for example.


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Surname Horvath is specific for Croatian and Hungarian people.

[Lavrentis]

Here are Y DNA of Bosnian Serbs imgur.com/8p5XcVn

As you can see I2a is 33% and R1a is 26%, which means that Bosnian Serbs have 59% Slavic Y DNA.

Serbs on average have 53% Slavic Y DNA (I2a 35%, R1a 18%).

Hungarians have 45,5% Slavic Y DNA (R1a 29,5%, I2a 16%).

If you're not runnig away from classes of mathematics, the you know who is more Slavic.

What about central and southern Serbs? They are half of the Serbs, maybe the majority. Post about them.


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[Lavrentis]

Surname Horvath is specific for Croatian and Hungarian people.

Sarcasm?


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[Vlatko Vukovic]

What about central and southern Serbs? They are half of the Serbs, maybe the majority. Post about them.


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Southern Serbs are mixed with Bulgarians (Bulgarian origin is Turkic) so they are less Slavic then Central and Northern Serbs.

[Lavrentis]

Southern Serbs are mixed with Bulgarians (Bulgarian origin is Turkic) so they are less Slavic then Central and Northern Serbs.

Turkic influence in Bulgarians is very small.

The Turkic Bulgars were a high-class minority. They didn't migrate en mass to modern day Bulgaria as hordes.


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[Сербо Макеридов]

What about central and southern Serbs? They are half of the Serbs, maybe the majority. Post about them.


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I2a on average in Serbia is 35%, and R1a is 18% (source "Serbian DNA project"), but not all people which are tested ethnic Serbs, some of them are minorities.

There is a 53% Slavic Y DNA in Serbia, among ethnic Serbs is certainly more.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Turkic influence in Bulgarians is very small.

The Turkic Bulgars were a high-class minority. They didn't migrate en mass to modern day Bulgaria as hordes.


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Maybe.. but when i see old Bulgars from Byzantium drawings, they looks clearly Turanid.