Stupid Turk study. Nogais are 60-80% East Asian Mongoloid , not over 70% Caucasoid west Eurasian

[ButlerKing]

Nearly every picture of Nogais are as Mongoloid as any Korean and Kazakh I've seen. There is no way this rubbish DNA chart is correct. This pie chart only shows Nogais as 32% East Eurasian and 68% West Eurasian which means they are less than Turkmen with 39% East Eurasian and 61% West Eurasian, and Uzbeks 41% East and 59% West although studies shows Turkmen with only 22-58% East Asian and Uzbeks with 42-59% East Asian. I've seen only a few Nogais that barely even look Caucasian while many Turkmen and Uzbek that look more Caucasian than Mongoloid ( in appearance not genetics ). I've seen many Black people are 70% White and look way more Caucasian than this crap.


http://www.haplogruplar.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/NOGAI_wm1.jpg


13% Tungus Altaic
4% Southeast Asian
7% Ancestral Altaic
5% East Siberian
1% Paleo Siberian
1% Artic
1% Austronesian

13+4+7+5+1+1+1 = 32

35% Caucasian
13% European early gatherer
13% South central asian
1% North African
3% European early farmers
1% Near east
1% South indian ( just include it anyway )
1% Melanso polynesian ( whateever

35+13+13+1+3+1+1+1 = 68

[ButlerKing]

I've search for pictures of Nogais in English and Russian site, there is no way in hell these people are only 32% Mongoloid and look more Mongoloid than those who are only half.

http://www.outdoors.ru/foto/album/27923.jpg
http://osetia.kvaisa.ru/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Nogai-1.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af18/oditous2/Europe/3479385035_a7e3e41c20_zNogaischoolfoto.jpg~origina l

[ButlerKing]

I'm absolutely NOT CHERRYPICKING

Every picture of Nogai I chose are in group photos and you hardly find a Nogai that look Caucasian in a individual picture

http://www.kavkaz-uzel.eu/system/attachments/0003/0328/new_view.jpg
http://e-history.kz/media/upload/ckimages/%D0%9D%D0%BE%D0%B37.jpg

[ButlerKing]

Like seriously 32% Mongoloid ????
http://oi44.tinypic.com/dw3rit.jpg

And here is a mix race actress who is 33% Black 67% White
https://typeset-beta.imgix.net/rehost%2F2016%2F9%2F13%2F29b086b1-1001-4a6d-81a6-f210250b343a.jpg

[ButlerKing]

I can only notice 1 guy the first picture have mix race appearance. And 2 guys in second picture have a mix race appearance the rest look predominant mongoloid to pure Mongoloid.

http://www.eng.kavkaz-uzel.eu/system/uploads/article_image/image/0000/5154/view_Asanov-Dagestan.jpg
https://gdb.rferl.org/92BA8C74-69CC-4AB5-B60F-2F603F6AA639_w1023_r1_s.jpg

[NSXD60]

They look at least 70% eastern shifted.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

They look more half - full or predominant asian for photos you posted

[ButlerKing]

They look more half - full or predominant asian for photos you posted

That's the thing. That's why I chose group photos to show I'm not cherrypicking. I've looked at Nogai pictures for hours and rarely come across any that look Caucasian.

I can understand if only some Mongoloid but in every group pictures I've seen many of them even look almost no different than your average Korean/Chinese faces.

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/9a/37/67/9a37679fff6d3f04dc7a8197ca5bbcb2--golden-horde-old-mans.jpg
http://e-history.kz/media/upload/ckimages/%D0%9D%D0%BE%D0%B36.jpg

[ButlerKing]

Now for individually

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3350/3479387661_0c9bfdbdc1_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3355/3479384709_58e741941b.jpg
http://cs10180.vkontakte.ru/u103306102/121183327/x_6503b46e.jpg

[ButlerKing]

YouTube video ? still look almost pure Mongoloid


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MC6LjzOr9BE

[ButlerKing]

Someone please respond to this thread and respond please.

I've confused as heck.

[Hadouken]

why do you care so much though ? :lol: it is so random lol

[ButlerKing]

why do you care so much though ? :lol: it is so random lol

Just want to point that autosomal DNA of Nogais by Turks is a pack of lies. I've haven't posted stuffs about Turks for a very long times until I saw Turks posting study of Nogais.

[ButlerKing]

Please respond. I came here for answers.

[Hadouken]

ok so I checked gedmatch calculators and on some nogais are around 25% mongoloid and on Eurogenes K13 it is 36-37 %

on average they probably range from 20 to 40 % depending on person

[ButlerKing]

ok so I checked gedmatch calculators and on some nogais are around 25% mongoloid and on Eurogenes K13 it is 36-37 %

on average they probably range from 20 to 40 % depending on person


Even if it's 36-37% it's still less than Uzbeks, Turkmen

I calculated 39% Mongoloid for Turkmen and 41% Mongoloid Uzbek

http://www.haplogruplar.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/TURKMEN_wm1.jpg

http://www.haplogruplar.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/UZBEK_wm1.jpg


Also other DNA study

Turkmen seems 18 - 59% Mongoloid
Uzbek seem 29 - 61% Mongoloid

http://i66.tinypic.com/2vsglmo.jpg

For Turkmen between 20-58% Mongoloid

http://i46.tinypic.com/2nsqvbt.png

For Uzbeks mostly 40-56% Mongoloid

http://i48.tinypic.com/2b9ugn.jpg

[Hadouken]

not all turkmens are that high . there are many that are in the 15-30% range and some even 10-15%

turkmenistan turkmens are less mongoloid than afghan turkmens for example

btw. let the haplogroups aside. they dont tell anything

[ButlerKing]

not all turkmens are that high . there are many that are in the 15-30% range and some even 10-15%

turkmenistan turkmens are less mongoloid than afghan turkmens for example

btw. let the haplogroups aside. they dont tell anything

Merv and Gonu depe are both cities in Turkmenistan.
Turkmen from Merv
http://www.turkotek.com/misc_00107/silk_files/PeterSandersMerv.jpg
http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/13b384bae20e461ab4340afe8a093b29/turkmen-boys-at-the-ruins-of-merv-in-turkmenistan-bctt57.jpg

I know haplogroup don't mean much that's why I made a thread about Chadic people being 92% R1b and yet still look super negroids who look less negroids than African Americans.

http://legacy.joshuaproject.net/profiles/photos/p10166.jpg
http://www.ancestraljourneys.org/images/R1b-V88.jpg


Haplogroup don't tell us much but still it's crazy for Nogais to look like the way they do. I still think these Nogais look way more Mongoloid than the Turkmens from Merv. I don't know what the real percentage for Turkmen is as they always vary everytime.

[StonyArabia]

not all turkmens are that high . there are many that are in the 15-30% range and some even 10-15%

turkmenistan turkmens are less mongoloid than afghan turkmens for example

btw. let the haplogroups aside. they dont tell anything

Iranian Turkmens are also very Caucasoid, they have only faint amount of Mongoloid admixture. The Original Oghuz Turk were mostly mix of Iranian and Mongoloid, but more on the Caucasian side compared to other Turkic groups. They were not very Asian to begin with, if they were Turkey would have more Mongoloid looking people than Caucasian looking people. It's clear that the Turkic tribes that came to Anatolia were mostly Caucasian to begin with, very close to Iranians but have a Mongoloid shift, which explain why they speak Turkic languages. Also Turkmenistan before the Turkic migration was actually Iranian in origins, interestingly the last Sassanid emperor Yazgird III took refuge in Merv, the same area where the ancestor of the Ottoman's comes from.

The Oghuz did not look like Siberians like the Tuvans or even the Kazkhs.

[ButlerKing]

Iranian Turkmens are also very Caucasoid, they have only faint amount of Mongoloid admixture. The Original Oghuz Turk were mostly mix of Iranian and Mongoloid, but more on the Caucasian side compared to other Turkic groups. They were not very Asian to begin with, if they were Turkey would have more Mongoloid looking people than Caucasian looking people. It's clear that the Turkic tribes that came to Anatolia were mostly Caucasian to begin with, very close to Iranians but have a Mongoloid shift, which explain why they speak Turkic languages. Also Turkmenistan before the Turkic migration was actually Iranian in origins, interestingly the last Sassanid emperor Yazgird III took refuge in Merv, the same area where the ancestor of the Ottoman's comes from.

The Oghuz did not look like Siberians like the Tuvans or even the Kazkhs.

You don't even know what Oghuz look like or what their genetic admixture were like either.

Many Iranian Turkmens look even more Mongoloid than Kazakhs although most do not I seriously doubt they have only a fair amount.

I can't find any autosomal DNA study of Iranian Turkmen but clearly many of them look Mongoloid as hell.

https://iranian.com/NaderDavoodi/2004/August/Azadi/Images/2.jpg
http://iranthisway.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/2108373_26.jpg
http://www.allempires.com/forum/uploads/34012/AZIZI_KHODADAD_jpg.jpg


I might aswell post this, this is what the original Oghuz Turk look like.
http://i45.tinypic.com/zmf75y.jpg

[ButlerKing]

Old photo of Nogai.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-fKAEH2wkUS8/VwfHytlLzXI/AAAAAAAAg2k/K49SWkdjA3owAr6Je9cAda253pLy0MUqA/s640/aa6b32a668697ff485db7aa5d688acd0.jpg

[ButlerKing]

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/1f/9a/09/1f9a09bc4ba784717a7272e610c8d5ba--turkish-people.jpg
http://capeoples.com/photos/nogai-women-of-russia-not-ours.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-c3SKxdR2O3M/UM161y-zVwI/AAAAAAAAByo/QCpYzXUzNUg/s1600/astrahan+g%C3%B6%C3%A7k%C3%BCnc%C3%BC+kad%C4%B1n.j peg

[ButlerKing]

Mongoloid as hell.

[ButlerKing]

https://s11.postimg.org/5gt88fpr7/Nogai4.jpg
http://www.milli-firka.org/storage/sections/new_mf_inform/2013/130814/yangurci.JPG

[ButlerKing]

Repond please

Surely one of you must know. Any other Nogai DNA study ?

[ButlerKing]

http://www.kavkaz-uzel.eu/system/attachments/0003/8729/new_view.jpg
http://i39.tinypic.com/157jaxf.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/bf/13/cc/bf13ccb91585a4ad6a27bddda957f7e3--turkish-people-russian-girls.jpg

[ButlerKing]

Please reply and give me a decent explanation

[Chev Chelios]

Why you are obsessed with Mongols, Mongoloids, and East Asians? Yellow fever or what?

[turbosat]

Please reply and give me a decent explanation

search for "Nogais", this was second pic.

https://gdb.rferl.org/92BA8C74-69CC-4AB5-B60F-2F603F6AA639_w1023_r1_s.jpg

[ButlerKing]

Bump.

I want scientific responses of this Nogais DNA chart. Anything else apart from this pie chart. I have no luck finding any more.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Yea im looking
Most nogais look mixed ( about half) to predominantly asian

[ButlerKing]

Yea im looking
Most nogais look mixed ( about half) to predominantly asian

Some also look pure Mongoloid

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/e6/d0/fa/e6d0fad468cf068c0b1b5ac681805231.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/8b/53/cc/8b53cc3a79263a4506394c1db8830c39--golden-horde-old-mans.jpg
http://forum-eurasica.ru/uploads/1325402083/med_gallery_7617_6_44999.jpg
https://eurovoix-world.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Madina-Kartakeyva.jpg

[ButlerKing]

Please respond to this thread.

Any other autDNA on them ? for far I've only seen two which give them similar percentages.

Or are there any other explanations ?

[ButlerKing]

More old photos of Nogais

https://i.pinimg.com/474x/54/13/bb/5413bb8d0713b655cc77a9ba0f212836.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/5c/3e/52/5c3e524d563bd3029ffe5f71a048c92d.jpg

[ButlerKing]

In this picture the Nogais are more varied. Some look full mongoloid, some look mix inbetween others look caucasoid.

https://68.media.tumblr.com/4ef30a04b05e007594400caed09ba170/tumblr_mv71ywEaDj1sd035so1_1280.jpg

[ButlerKing]

Reply please

[jackrussell]

Reply please



Behold !

The field in which I grow my fucks .

Lay thine eyes upon it and thou shalt see that it is barren.

:D


I've met some pricks in my time but you sir , are a fucking cactus.

[ButlerKing]

Please stop all the trolling.

I'm unsatisfied with the autoDNA result and can't find any other the other study with exception another that as similar to this result.

[Hudayar]

that's not a Turk study.
that's MDLP K23 spreadsheet result of Nogais illustrated in a pie chart

[ButlerKing]

that's not a Turk study.
that's MDLP K23 spreadsheet result of Nogais illustrated in a pie chart

You can only find this in a written Turkish genetic blog but these pie charts data were already previously posted by a Turkish member in this thread.

http://www.haplogruplar.com/turklerde-otozomal-dna/

If it's not a Turk study than I apologize.

[zarzian]

Yes I can see why this triggered your autism, the chart does look too Caucasoid shifted for a Nogai, is this one particular sample or an average?

[ButlerKing]

Another old photo

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/13/6c/00/136c005a2a3d1df5d7d010399008b1de.jpg

[ButlerKing]

Yes I can see why this triggered your autism, the chart does look too Caucasoid shifted for a Nogai, is this one particular sample or an average?

It's supposed to be the average DNA study. Even if it's average the average Nogai should at least look Caucasoid or predominant Caucasoid.

[ButlerKing]

Waited for hours already. Please respond. Surely out of many intelligent of thousand members one of you could at least make a explanation. I'm desperately trying to seek answers and I googled everywhere but can't find any other genetic study with Nogais showing even more than 40% East Eurasian admixture.

[ButlerKing]

It's not's like Asian/East Eurasian genes is so strong that it can make most people who are only 1/3 Mongoloid look like almost no different to a pure Mongoloid. THERE'S NEED TO BE DIVERSITY FOR THIS TO MAKE SENSE

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/27/fa/53/27fa53bb61c4cce30dadb7941d546602.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/94/71/15/94711504b2c9ee508ee51b142a977ecb.jpg

[Smeagol]

Obviously this is part of a sinister Turkish conspiracy, and it's up to you to stop it ButlerKing.

[ButlerKing]

Please respond with scientific answers.

[jackrussell]

Please respond with scientific answers.


You are not after Scientific fact but to reassure your own belief in Scientism .

Nogay Turks are Eurasians ; where is the surprise ?

Sample size is too small , isn't it obvious ?

You are looking @ the forest but can't see the tree.

[ButlerKing]

You are not after Scientific fact but to reassure your own belief in Scientism .

Nogay Turks are Eurasians ; where is the surprise ?

Sample size is too small , isn't it obvious ?

You are looking @ the forest but can't see the tree.

Clearly they are Eurasians but they shouldn't look like Asian Eurasians if they are only 1/3 Mongoloid.

I can only find two Nogais study , this one and other that gives similar results of small mongoloid admixture.

[Hudayar]

You can only find this in a written Turkish genetic blog but these pie charts data were already previously posted by a Turkish member in this thread.

http://www.haplogruplar.com/turklerde-otozomal-dna/

If it's not a Turk study than I apologize.

According to your link, the source is MDLP K23b Population Averages Spreadsheet

[ButlerKing]

According to your link, the source is MDLP K23b Population Averages Spreadsheet

So what's the explanation for Nogai's super Mongoloid faces ?

[Hudayar]

So what's the explanation for Nogai's super Mongoloid faces ?

https://i.redd.it/b9efh0018vrx.png
Kipchak people tend to be very mongoloid compared to other Turkics. Also not all of them are super mongoloid. They're just Eurasian. Also you know, Hazaras are genetically similar to Uzbeks yet they look more mongoloid than Uzbeks because Hazaras descended from Mongolians and their ethnicity is relatively new, Uzbek ethnicity on the other hand is relatively old. Maybe ancestors of Nogais were Kazakh-looking people.

[ButlerKing]

https://i.redd.it/b9efh0018vrx.png
Kipchak people tend to be very mongoloid compared to other Turkics. Also not all of them are super mongoloid. They're just Eurasian. Also you know, Hazaras are genetically similar to Uzbeks yet they look more mongoloid than Uzbeks because Hazaras descended from Mongolians and their ethnicity is relatively new, Uzbek ethnicity on the other hand is relatively old. Maybe ancestors of Nogais were Kazakh-looking people.

Nogais are less genetically East Eurasian/Mongoloid than Turkmen, Uzbeks but they look way more Mongoloid than they do. I don't see Ethiopians and Somalians looking Caucasoid even though they are genetically 40-60% Caucasoid. I also don't see North Africans looking Negroid even though they are 21% Negroid. It should be the Mongoloid you are the Mongoloid you look.

[Gangrel]

So what's the explanation for Nogai's super Mongoloid faces ?

Mongoloid traits are more dominant than Caucasoid traits?

[Hudayar]

Nogais are less genetically East Eurasian/Mongoloid than Turkmen, Uzbeks but they look way more Mongoloid than they do. I don't see Ethiopians and Somalians looking Caucasoid even though they are genetically 40-60% Caucasoid. I also don't see North Africans looking Negroid even though they are 21% Negroid. It should be the Mongoloid you are the Mongoloid you look.

First of all, not all Nogais have the same genetic make up. Uzbek phenotype varies from super mongoloid to Iranian. And Ethiopians/Somalians don't look same as Western Africans. Their heads, noses etc are very different. Sometimes even the skin color. And North Africans obviously won't look negroid, however, there are some who look African influenced.

For example, this is a Nogai singer, Arslanbek Sultanbekov
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/437664950706663424/Y0J5lKmE_400x400.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/klvDzzZ.jpg
does he look 100% mongoloid?

[ButlerKing]

First of all, not all Nogais have the same genetic make up. Uzbek phenotype varies from super mongoloid to Iranian. And Ethiopians/Somalians don't look same as Western Africans. Their heads, noses etc are very different. Sometimes even the skin color. And North Africans obviously won't look negroid, however, there are some who look African influenced.

For example, this is a Nogai singer, Arslanbek Sultanbekov
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/437664950706663424/Y0J5lKmE_400x400.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/klvDzzZ.jpg
does he look 100% mongoloid?

So you mean that Nogai study isn't accurate ? that's exactly what I want to try to say. This could explain the low Mongoloid admixture in study is because there are genetic variations of Nogais from regions to regions just like other Turkic from regions to regions (doesn't matter Turkic ethnicity they are ). The only problem is I'm not able to find any other DNA study of Nogais showing high Mongoloid admixture like I did for Uzbeks, Turkmen, Turkish, the other Nogai study still shows similar results.

Ethiopians/Somalians still look Negroid-like even if they have different facial structure. General North Africans can easily pass for populations of Syria, Saudi Arabia maybe even Turkey to a extend.

I already said there are Nogais that look Caucasian but the vast majority of them look too Mongoloid but if there's a good explanation than it's all good. I'm aware of the differences of phenotypes and I didn't say all look Mongoloid for example the guy on the right would look no different to a Mongolian and Chinese while the guy on right look more mixed but not as Mongoloid.

http://www.kavkaz-uzel.eu/system/attachments/0002/1601/janbulatov__view.jpg

Arslanbek Sultanbekov is the accurate depictions of what a 1/3 Mongoloid should look like. Yes, he doesn't really look anything like Mongoloid. He looks very Caucasoid with Asian eyes. If most Nogais look like him than it would make sense of course I'm not saying a half Mongoloid cannot look like him because genotype and phenotype sometimes doesn't always go together and there are many examples. My only complain is there is not enough physical diversity among their population with appearance being way too extremely bias to their Mongoloid genetics side.

For example I've seen half Mongoloid that look 100% white phenotypically

Mei-Yin Lloyd half Chinese, half White
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/709411532493295616/dsEuvLyp.jpg

Half Asian Half White

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-VIzNkSbWVhk/Vi6GDlEGxFI/AAAAAAAAAIo/GMQqOz5AYZc/s1600/20b8008b66e66582797b63ca78e3ceb4_large.jpg

[ButlerKing]

Mongoloid traits are more dominant than Caucasoid traits?

Incorrect, only when they reach a certain percentage.

[Hudayar]

So you mean that Nogai study isn't accurate ? that's exactly what I want to try to say. This could explain the low Mongoloid admixture in study is because there are genetic variations of Nogais from regions to regions just like other Turkic from regions to regions (doesn't what ethnicity they are ). The only problem I'm not able to find any other DNA study of Nogais showing high Mongoloid admixture like I did for Uzbeks, Turkmen, Turkish, the other Nogai study still shows similar results.

Ethiopians/Somalians still look Negroid-like even if they have different facial structure. Genera North Africans can easily pass for populations of Syria, Saudi Arabia maybe even Turkey to a extend.

I already said there are Nogais that look Caucasian but the vast majority of them look too Mongoloid but if there's a good explanation than it's all good. I'm aware of differences of phenotypes, I didn't say all look Mongoloid for example the guy on the right would look no different to a Mongolian and Chinese while the guy on right look more mixed but not as Mongoloid. My only complain is there is not enough physical diversity.

http://www.kavkaz-uzel.eu/system/attachments/0002/1601/janbulatov__view.jpg

Arslanbek Sultanbekov is the accurate depictions of what a 1/3 Mongoloid should look like. Yes, he doesn't really look anything like Mongoloid. He looks very Caucasoid with Asian eyes. If most Nogais look like him than it would make sense of course I'm not saying a half Mongoloid cannot look like. Because genotype and phenotype sometimes don't go together.

For example I've seen half Mongoloid that look 100% white but phenotypically

Mei-Yin Lloyd half Chinese, half White
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/709411532493295616/dsEuvLyp.jpg

Half Asian Half White

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-VIzNkSbWVhk/Vi6GDlEGxFI/AAAAAAAAAIo/GMQqOz5AYZc/s1600/20b8008b66e66582797b63ca78e3ceb4_large.jpg


I'm simply saying that Nogais should have more people who look caucasoid instead of Mongoloid given their DNA study.

No i'm actually saying that the study is correct because it is literally taken from Nogai people (unless they're extremely cherrypicked). What i'm saying is genotype is not directly related to phenotype. And there are lots of Eurasians who look Asian just as how some nogais look very asian and how some of them look caucasian

[ButlerKing]

No i'm actually saying that the study is correct because it is literally taken from Nogai people (unless they're extremely cherrypicked). What i'm saying is genotype is not directly related to phenotype. And there are lots of Eurasians who look Asian just as how some nogais look very asian and how some of them look caucasian

NO ! this study can't be correct for all Nogais. It can only be correct in small group because their phenotypes are way too biased to their Mongoloid side given their only 1/3 Genotypes of Mongoloid. Can you name any other ethnic group who are like Nogais who are 2/3 Caucasoid and still look like their polar oppostites? ( doesn't matter if they belong to a racially group of Mongoloid or Negroid )

Most Nogais if not over 80% of them look very Asian. You can see from my group photos of Nogais look extremely Asian (most of them). They look so Asian Mongoloid that even a half Chinese/half white look more Caucasoid than they do.

There is no way Mongoloid genes can be so dominating.


GENOTYPES AND PHENOTYPES ARE NOT ALWAYS RELATED IN "SOME" CASES BUT IT SHOULDN'T HAPPEN AS A "GENERAL" CASE.

[ButlerKing]

No i'm actually saying that the study is correct because it is literally taken from Nogai people (unless they're extremely cherrypicked). What i'm saying is genotype is not directly related to phenotype. And there are lots of Eurasians who look Asian just as how some nogais look very asian and how some of them look caucasian

Here is them in group photo. You can clearly see most of them look very Mongoloid.

http://yenicag.ru/files/uploads/2017/06/yencag.ru_2017-06-07_12-01-04-760x506.jpg

Here is another picture of Nogais (the article only says Nogais ) but I don't know if all of them are ethnically Nogais because most of the male look very Mongoloid while most of the female look just like Caucasoid slavic people.

http://cs624827.vk.me/v624827102/1220f/zcRQL4MeZsM.jpg

[Hudayar]

People that you posted look asian influenced Caucasoids. not Caucasoid influenced Asians.

[ButlerKing]

People that you posted look asian influenced Caucasoids. not Caucasoid influenced Asians.

This doesn't make sense. What's the difference between "asian influenced Caucasoids" and " Caucasoid influenced Asians " in your own opinion?

Their appearance doesn't look Caucasoid except for the females in the second picture ( but I don't know if all of them are ethnic Nogais, some of them seem Slavic or North Caucasus, and in other pictures they said a mixture of Nogais, Chelkars so I didn't use those pictures because I don't know if they are really Nogais or not )

However pictures that only mention ethnic Nogais

http://content.foto.mail.ru/community/polklor/kultura/i-26.jpg
http://media.nazaccent.ru/storage/blog/images/2017/05/zw49t2.JPG

[Hudayar]

The difference between asian influenced caucasoids and caucasoid influenced asians is the skull shape and general face traits. In the first pic, those people are not even Nogai but Karakalpaks from Uzbekistan.

[ButlerKing]

Their appearance doesn't look Caucasoid except for the females in the second picture ( but I don't know if all of them are ethnic Nogais, some of them seem Slavic or North Caucasus, and in other pictures they said a mixture of Nogais, Chelkars so I didn't use those pictures because I don't know if they are really Nogais or not )

The difference between asian influenced caucasoids and caucasoid influenced asians is the skull shape and general face traits. In the first pic, those people are not even Nogai but Karakalpaks from Uzbekistan.

No it doesn't, the first picture comes from Dagestan which is in Caucasus which only ethnic Nogais live. It doesn't mention Karakalpak or even Uzbekistan.

http://www.eng.kavkaz-uzel.eu/articles/38050/


They are distinguishable from the way they dress

http://i63.tinypic.com/2vuk9xs.jpg
http://i68.tinypic.com/2u91f8x.jpg
http://i63.tinypic.com/34t78jo.jpg
http://i65.tinypic.com/51eeqg.jpg
https://chechnyatoday.com/images/news/20170523_114000.jpg

[Hudayar]

No it doesn't, the first picture comes from Dagestan which is in Caucasus which only ethnic Nogais live. It doesn't mention Karakalpak or even Uzbekistan.

http://www.eng.kavkaz-uzel.eu/articles/38050/


They are distinguishable from the way they dress

http://i63.tinypic.com/2vuk9xs.jpg
http://i68.tinypic.com/2u91f8x.jpg
http://i63.tinypic.com/34t78jo.jpg
http://i65.tinypic.com/51eeqg.jpg
https://chechnyatoday.com/images/news/20170523_114000.jpg

http://forum-eurasica.ru/index.php?/topic/1117-%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%BF%D 0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B8/&page=22


as i said they're karakalpaks.

[ButlerKing]

Nogais school pic ( don't know if all of them are Nogais though )

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-dIKW0F8qKyw/V2aDkg0EdSI/AAAAAAAAE-Y/0FMPePqk2U8oV4Hn-2rfaupn0OmlNufIwCK4B/s1600/nogay%2Bbalalar%25C4%25B1.jpg

[jackrussell]

Caucasian shifted Nogay Turks

https://www.amsterdampostasi.nl/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/nogaylardan-%C4%B1adey%C4%B1-z%C4%B1yaret.jpg


http://www.amsterdampostasi.nl/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/20170711_124631-kopie-1024x872.jpg


http://www.amsterdampostasi.nl/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/20170709_232336-kopie-1024x672.jpg


It's very simple to understand ; further West one goes , more Caucasian one looks and further East one goes , more Asian one looks .

Completely normal and expected .

You are whether knowingly or not " cherry picking " .


For the record , Turks can and do look Western , Eastern , Northern and Southern .

Turks don't practice " one drop rule " ; that is a stupidity reserved for so called " Whites " .


You can even find Turks in Tuareg too ;

https://iakal.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/map-of-tuareg.jpg


That is what it means to be " Ancient & Justified " ; if you ask these silly Greeks , Armenians , Balkanites etc ; Turks just appeared 1000 years ago and there is nothing special about Turks .

Turks are Ancient & Justified and one can find Turks in all 4 corners of the Earth .

[ButlerKing]

http://forum-eurasica.ru/index.php?/topic/1117-%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%BF%D 0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B8/&page=22


as i said they're karakalpaks.

They were having a conversation about who Karalpaks resemble and they mention Kazakhs , Nogais, Kyrgyz among them. So they could be Karalpaks.

[ButlerKing]

Caucasian shifted Nogay Turks

https://www.amsterdampostasi.nl/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/nogaylardan-%C4%B1adey%C4%B1-z%C4%B1yaret.jpg


http://www.amsterdampostasi.nl/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/20170711_124631-kopie-1024x872.jpg


http://www.amsterdampostasi.nl/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/20170709_232336-kopie-1024x672.jpg


It's very simple to understand ; further West one goes , more Caucasian one looks and further East one goes , more Asian one looks .

Completely normal and expected .

You are whether knowingly or not " cherry picking " .


For the record , Turks can and do look Western , Eastern , Northern and Southern .

Turks don't practice " one drop rule " ; that is a stupidity reserved for so called " Whites " .


You can even find Turks in Tuareg too ;

https://iakal.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/map-of-tuareg.jpg


That is what it means to be " Ancient & Justified " ; if you ask these silly Greeks , Armenians , Balkanites etc ; Turks just appeared 1000 years ago and there is nothing special about Turks .

Turks are Ancient & Justified and one can find Turks in all 4 corners of the Earth .


Yeah, these guys look like Caucasoid with some some Mongoloid admixture ( roughly 1/3 ) but are you sure they all pure ethnic Nogais.

Could the Nogai DNA study of only 32% Mongoloid admixture come from these groups instead ? that would explain why it come from a written Turkish.

Tuareg does not mean Turk and the word Turk only have 2 years history.

[Helvegen]

Nearly every picture of Nogais are as Mongoloid as any Korean and Kazakh I've seen. There is no way this rubbish DNA chart is correct. This pie chart only shows Nogais as 32% East Eurasian and 68% West Eurasian which means they are less than Turkmen with 39% East Eurasian and 61% West Eurasian, and Uzbeks 41% East and 59% West although studies shows Turkmen with only 22-58% East Asian and Uzbeks with 42-59% East Asian. I've seen only a few Nogais that barely even look Caucasian while many Turkmen and Uzbek that look more Caucasian than Mongoloid ( in appearance not genetics ). I've seen many Black people are 70% White and look way more Caucasian than this crap.


http://www.haplogruplar.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/NOGAI_wm1.jpg


13% Tungus Altaic
4% Southeast Asian
7% Ancestral Altaic
5% East Siberian
1% Paleo Siberian
1% Artic
1% Austronesian

13+4+7+5+1+1+1 = 32

35% Caucasian
13% European early gatherer
13% South central asian
1% North African
3% European early farmers
1% Near east
1% South indian ( just include it anyway )
1% Melanso polynesian ( whateever

35+13+13+1+3+1+1+1 = 68


Hello "thepowerrangers". Given as the Power Rangers are Asiatic in origin [Power Rangers are just a cheap American ripoff of the Japanese Super Sentai] such a name (anthrogenica) seriously makes me wonder if you aren't rather Mongolid-looking yourself. I bet that's the real reason why you are so hung up on Mongolid people. It's the only logical explanation for your ignorance about science, history & biology.



However there is really no point in 'arguing' nor debating this with you. I am saying that for everyone. You are set in your mindset, racist as it is, and will not be satisfied until someone confirms your foolhardy belief. It is obvious with the stupidity in your anthrogenica post after all.

[ButlerKing]

Wait a minute it says they are Crimean Tatar Nogays ? So are they the same as the ones in Caucasus or not ?

From Wikipedia it says

" Most of these Nogais later migrated to Anatolia. However, the great exodus of the Nogais took place in 1860. Many clans from Camboyluk and Kuban Hordes moved westwards to southern Ukraine, and wintered with their co-ethnics there in 1859. They emigrated either through Feodosia or Kerch ports or crossing via Budjak steppes to Dobruja. 50,000 of the roughly 70,000 Nogais of the Kuban and adjacent Stavropol region left Russia for the Ottoman Empire at this period. They induced the Nogais of Crimea (who lived in the districts of Yevpatoria, Perekop and in the north of Simferopol) for emigration too. 300,000 Crimean Tatars (which included the Nogais) left Crimea in the year 1860. Similarly, 50,000 Nogais disappeared from southern Ukraine by 1861. "

" Other Nogai clans emigrated directly from Caucasus to Anatolia, together with the Circassians. Nogais have lived alongside German Mennonites in the Molochna region of southern Ukraine since 1803, when Mennonites first arrived, until 1860, when the Nogais have been deported.[11]"

An Ethnohistorical Dictionary of the Russian and Soviet Empires

https://books.google.co.uk/books/content?id=CquTz6ps5YgC&printsec=frontcover&img=1&zoom=5&edge=curl&imgtk=AFLRE730Onv60dR3dtaGBPTrqFhDG9Dfi4PuLs8TAAZA LF7NToitLDGjs4jGYbY0EZDgZ1dvZTHUPEcOZehIIFO7gZYxb3 W-m1Tc1n6S4Hki7G5g7SgmP0rITUxZAS0a729r-hDGZEgx

" By the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, the Nogai were being assimilated by the surrounding Russians, Circassians*, Kumyks*, "

" Many Crimean Tatars had assimilated into Nogais population during the migration westward "


Some Crimean Tatars look Mongoloid and half, they are properly the descendants of Nogai people.
http://images.unian.net/photos/2011_05/1305801886.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_n2UJhp1Z9QM/Rlhc_JU_M-I/AAAAAAAAAzs/-hrX7SOCawA/s400/BobpPix07+214.jpg

[ButlerKing]

Hello "thepowerrangers". Given as the Power Rangers are Asiatic in origin [Power Rangers are just a cheap American ripoff of the Japanese Super Sentai] such a name (anthrogenica) seriously makes me wonder if you aren't rather Mongolid-looking yourself. I bet that's the real reason why you are so hung up on Mongolid people. It's the only logical explanation for your ignorance about science, history & biology.



However there is really no point in 'arguing' nor debating this with you. I am saying that for everyone. You are set in your mindset, racist as it is, and will not be satisfied until someone confirms your foolhardy belief. It is obvious with the stupidity in your anthrogenica post after all.


No , Power ranger is Indian origin duh.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WR_j2-RtSSE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOXqRDBE1LE

[Nomad]

Turk word derived from Turk-Türük-Tureg.There are different versions but you should learn that,we didn't begin to live 200 years ago.We are living from Sakha villages into Lipka Tatar towns since darkest ages.Autosomally there is no pure nation.For example,English people are mixed of Germanic,Celtic and Romano-Celtic peoples.

Sakha is most Mongoloid nation but they have N haplogroup as Finns.Finns are most blondest nation(i think so).Nogais are mixed of mostly Kypchak and Turkicized Mongolians.I will explain the reality until you learn :D

[ButlerKing]

Turk word derived from Turk-Türük-Tureg.There are different versions but you should learn that,we didn't begin to live 200 years ago.We are living from Sakha villages into Lipka Tatar towns since darkest ages.Autosomally there is no pure nation.For example,English people are mixed of Germanic,Celtic and Romano-Celtic peoples.

Sakha is most Mongoloid nation but they have N haplogroup as Finns.Finns are most blondest nation(i think so).Nogais are mixed of mostly Kypchak and Turkicized Mongolians.I will explain the reality until you learn :D


You are right Nogais were form from a mixture of Mongol and Turkic tribes ( read Wikipedia ). There is no such thing as Turkicized Mongolian, only admixed with Mongolian. Also many people say Turkish people are Turkicized Anatolian even though it shows they do have Turkic admixture. Indeed Nogais shows a admixture of Mongol-Turkic and indegenious Caucasus similar with Georgian, Balkars, and other Caucasus group which explains their haplogroup similarity and autosomal DNA similarity.

Yakuts have 100% Mongoloid genetic structure in many studies while Finns always shows 6-12% Mongoloid in every study.

I don't think we should claim the word Turuk/Tureg is related with the North African word Tuareg or even having a Central Asian origin. That's as stupid as claiming that power rangers originated from Jews. The original power rangers originated from Japan, not America and is a established fact. Some idiots think it was a racist Jew American Saban Hussain who created power ranger when in reality even he himself said he copied from Japan's original " Zyuranger ", the problem is some idiot think "Zyuranger " means " Jew Ranger " in English because that's how it sounds like when Japanese pronounced it but the word "Zyu " have nothing to do with with the word "Jew". It's stupid to claim a word have a common root because of it's similar phonetics.

This was the shit back than ( this is the Japanese original but I'm referring to American's Power ranger )


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ2w_aIfwPg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k308dg1Cynk

[ButlerKing]

So in other words the Nogais in Turkey are actually a mixture of Crimean Tatars, Nogais from Crimea and other non-Turkic ethnicities that would explain everything if that DNA study was actually referring to Nogai Turkish people. What I want to know is the DNA study based on Nogais from Turkey because that would really explain everything.

( Keep in mind: I don't know if everyone in these picture is ethnic Nogais or a mixture of ethnic Nogais taking photos with Turkish people and non-Nogais )

It would seem the Nogais from Turkey look more Caucasoid on average and only some of them look Mongoloid which kind fit the 1/3 DNA for Nogais, some of them look way too Mongoloid to be only 1/3 , many of them look 1/2 and more than 1/2 and even full Mongoloid but it makes more sense those Nogais from Dagestan and other Caucasus region ).

http://www.nogay.org.tr/upload/resimler/galeri/nogayturk_futbol_turnuvasi/09_nogayturkligi3.jpg
http://www.flasgazetesi.com.tr/resimler/20131126_511030.jpg

https://akishaber.com.tr/resimler/id1/nogay-turkleri-155-yil-sonra-ilk-kez-romanya-da-10079.jpg
http://www.kimvekil.com/images/turkdunyasi/shurubu_kayhan/kimvekil_nogay_andir2.jpg

Nogai singer in the middle
https://pp.userapi.com/c9896/u139322811/137420225/x_3bd7afb5.jpg

[ButlerKing]

It seems they belong to different Nogais.

Okay, I'm a little suspicious of the Nogais in this picture, too many Mongoloid faces with too few Caucasoid so they might no be Nogais from Turkey. Although I found it by typing in Turkish and there is Turkish writing but not sure if they are the same because if they same people how can a group look so mongoloid ?

http://www.kimvekil.com/images/turkdunyasi/shurubu_kayhan/kimvekil_nogay_andir2.jpg

I believe this picture of Nogais I previously posted are Nogais from Turkey that's why I said many look Caucasoid in this pic.

http://galeri12.uludagsozluk.com/509/nogay-turkleri_692456.jpg

Here is another picture of Nogais (the article only says Nogais ) but I don't know if all of them are ethnically Nogais because most of the male look very Mongoloid while most of the female look just like Caucasoid slavic people.

http://cs624827.vk.me/v624827102/1220f/zcRQL4MeZsM.jpg

[ButlerKing]

Caucasian shifted Nogay Turks

You are whether knowingly or not " cherry picking " .


These Caucasian shifted Nogay Turks seems to be mostly only in Turkey, they could be Crimean Tatar Nogays or a mixture of Nogais, Crimean Tatar Nogais, Tatars and non-Turkic.
This explains why many of them have a strong Caucasian shift to a strong Mongoloid shift

Nogay football team
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Mt9OU5FnjYA/maxresdefault.jpg
http://image.cdn.haber7.com//haber/haber7/photos/2016/41/6a0cbf844a527d17964ca6dc45125c13_a.jpg

[jackrussell]

These Caucasian shifted Nogay Turks seems to be mostly only in Turkey, they could be Crimean Tatar Nogays or a mixture of Nogais, Crimean Tatar Nogais, Tatars and non-Turkic.
This explains why many of them have a strong Caucasian shift to a strong Mongoloid shift

Nogay football team
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Mt9OU5FnjYA/maxresdefault.jpg
http://image.cdn.haber7.com//haber/haber7/photos/2016/41/6a0cbf844a527d17964ca6dc45125c13_a.jpg


Turks are Eurasians , Eurasia includes West Asia .

[Lucas]

Ok. This is excerpt from Soviet anthropological study from '50. Comparing Nogais, Darghinians and Kumyks. Indeed Nogais are most mongoloid.

https://s25.postimg.org/wy2y07o19/nogais.jpg
https://s25.postimg.org/tkzargwrj/nogais2.jpg

[jackrussell]

Last paragraph made me laugh a bit but thank you either way.

[MustafaTekin]

I think you're stupid. Here is confirmed Nogai gedmatch IDs, all have approx 15-25% eastern Eurasian admix:


M752859
M548180
M955027
M923484


Nogai 1:

Gedrosia 11.30
Siberian 16.70
Northwest_African 0.23
Southeast_Asian 1.90
Atlantic_Med 5.50
North_European 19.44
South_Asian 0.98
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 0.14
East_Asian 15.97
Caucasus 27.84
Sub_Saharan -

Nogai 2:

Population
Gedrosia 15.02
Siberian 10.11
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.11
Atlantic_Med 3.41
North_European 23.38
South_Asian 0.08
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 1.33
East_Asian 10.23
Caucasus 36.35
Sub_Saharan -

Nogai 3:


Gedrosia 14.15
Siberian 8.38
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 6.06
North_European 27.78
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 0.92
East_Asian 8.61
Caucasus 34.10
Sub_Saharan -

[ButlerKing]

I think you're stupid. Here is confirmed Nogai gedmatch IDs, all have approx 15-25% eastern Eurasian admix:


M752859
M548180
M955027
M923484


Nogai 1:

Gedrosia 11.30
Siberian 16.70
Northwest_African 0.23
Southeast_Asian 1.90
Atlantic_Med 5.50
North_European 19.44
South_Asian 0.98
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 0.14
East_Asian 15.97
Caucasus 27.84
Sub_Saharan -

Nogai 2:

Population
Gedrosia 15.02
Siberian 10.11
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.11
Atlantic_Med 3.41
North_European 23.38
South_Asian 0.08
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 1.33
East_Asian 10.23
Caucasus 36.35
Sub_Saharan -

Nogai 3:


Gedrosia 14.15
Siberian 8.38
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 6.06
North_European 27.78
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 0.92
East_Asian 8.61
Caucasus 34.10
Sub_Saharan -

So you gave me 25 downvotes on a single day only because you didn't agree with me ?

I don't know the origin of your genetic results but you expect me to believe that a mere 15-25% Mongoloid genetically can look 100% Mongoloid phenotypical ?

3 Nogais with 100% Mongoloid phenotypes is even not even more than a 1/4 Mongoloid ?

https://gdb.rferl.org/848063A1-5ECE-4679-A67C-DB166A072B56_w1200_r1_s.jpg

[Gangrel]

So you gave me 25 downvotes on a single day only because you didn't agree with me ?

I don't know the origin of your genetic results but you expect me to believe that a mere 15-25% Mongoloid genetically can look 100% Mongoloid phenotypical ?

3 Nogais with 100% Mongoloid phenotypes is even not even more than a 1/4 Mongoloid ?

https://gdb.rferl.org/848063A1-5ECE-4679-A67C-DB166A072B56_w1200_r1_s.jpg

guy in the middle and right are 100% mongoloid phenotype my ass.

[ButlerKing]

guy in the middle and right are 100% mongoloid phenotype my ass.


The guy in the middle looks pure Mongoloid, maybe he guy on the right doesn't look as Mongoloid but Mongoloid looking enough to the point that if there was a video of him having sex with a Caucasian Daghestani women, a Chinese guy would jack off to it.

[Gangrel]

The guy in the middle looks pure Mongoloid, maybe he guy on the right doesn't look as Mongoloid but Mongoloid looking enough to the point that if there was a video of him having sex with a Caucasian Daghestani women, a Chinese guy would jack off to it.

You are associating round faced/alpinid/brachycephalic tendenicies with being solely mongoloid, the man in the middle has very obvious caucasoid traits. next you will tell me an asiatic alpine from syria had a chinese expat father

the fact that the one in the middle can pass in central asia but not east asia proves enough, he can not pass in mongolia or china

[ButlerKing]

You are associating round faced/alpinid/brachycephalic tendenicies with being solely mongoloid, the man in the middle has very obvious caucasoid traits. next you will tell me an asiatic alpine from syria had a chinese expat father

the fact that the one in the middle can pass in central asia but not east asia proves enough, he can not pass in mongolia or china

Are you high ? that guy look like a freaking Wang Chu, I know a Mongoloid when I see. The fat guy here is the same guy you said obvious Caucasoid traits

http://www.kavkaz-uzel.eu/system/attachments/0002/1601/janbulatov__view.jpg

[Gangrel]

Are you high ? that guy look like a freaking Wang Chu, I know a Mongoloid when I see. The fat guy here is the same guy you said obvious Caucasoid traits

http://www.kavkaz-uzel.eu/system/attachments/0002/1601/janbulatov__view.jpg

which east asian country can he pass in, please tell me

what is his name btw

[Hadouken]

he looks mostly mongoloid to me too

[Gangrel]

he looks mostly mongoloid to me too

yes, keyword 'mostly', he looks like an extreme mongoloid kazakh but i dont see him passing comfortably in any east asian country

[Grab the Gauge]

The Nogai are clearly Caucasian, don't look any more Mongoloid than Mexican Americans. OP isn't paying attention to deep morphology.

[Grab the Gauge]

yes, keyword 'mostly', he looks like an extreme mongoloid kazakh but i dont see him passing comfortably in any east asian country


He is not extremely Mongoloid.

[Antimage]

guy in the middle and right are 100% mongoloid phenotype my ass.

Anyone who shows slight mongol features is mongoloid for Butlerking. :D

[ButlerKing]

which east asian country can he pass in, please tell me

what is his name btw

He can easily pass for a typical North Chinese fat blob

Or even uncle of Kim Jung On

http://www.sligotoday.ie/images/1506067783.jpg

[Gangrel]

Anyone who shows slight mongol features is mongoloid for Butlerking. :D

i have tooraneed influence and am round faced so my father was a mongolian rapist who raped my persian mother

at least thats what buttlerking would say

[ButlerKing]

yes, keyword 'mostly', he looks like an extreme mongoloid kazakh but i dont see him passing comfortably in any east asian country

He has a 99999x more chance of passing in East Asia than in Azerbaijan/Turkey. Sure I would choose Central Asia before anything but after that is definitely East Asia.

[Gangrel]

He has a 99999x more chance of passing in East Asia than in Azerbaijan/Turkey. Sure I would choose Central Asia before anything but after that is definitely East Asia.

No shit moron? Did I say he can pass here? And he can not pass in East Asia for shit, he can only pass in Central Asia, clean the curry out of your eyes Raj

[ButlerKing]

The Nogai are clearly Caucasian, don't look any more Mongoloid than Mexican Americans. OP isn't paying attention to deep morphology.

If one is blind than I agree with you completely.

( Isn't paying attention to deep morphology ? Lol )

https://sbs.arizona.edu/sites/sbs.arizona.edu/files/u20/image_mex2.jpg

[ButlerKing]

No shit moron? Did I say he can pass here? And he can not pass in East Asia for shit, he can only pass in Central Asia, clean the curry out of your eyes Raj


He is so East Asian looking enough that by any chance if he makes a video f*cking Turkish women, I guarantee you no other males except East Asian males will jack of to it ( by East Asian I mean Mongoloids from Asia ).


No Black, No White, No Indian, No Paki will ever jack off to it except for the males that look similar to it.

[Gangrel]

He is so East Asian looking enough that by any chance if he makes a video f*cking Turkish women, I guarantee not other male of except East Asian males will jack of to it ( by East Asian I mean Mongoloids from Asia ).

'Ethnicity: British:

:rofl:

You realise education in the UK is free right? Why didn't your parents send you to school :rofl:

[ButlerKing]

'Ethnicity: British:

:rofl:

You realise education in the UK is free right? Why didn't your parents send you to school :rofl:

I wrote too quickly. My grammar is usually better than when I'm paying attention.

[Fractal]

'Ethnicity: British:

:rofl:

You realise education in the UK is free right? Why didn't your parents send you to school :rofl:

Indians are a billion times better immigrants in the UK than Turks or any other race up to and including Eastern Europeans/Balkanaoids.

Engineers and doctors vs. gyro stand owners? hmmm

[Gangrel]

Indians are a billion times better immigrants in the UK than Turks or any other race up to and including Eastern Europeans.

Engineers and doctors vs. gyro stand owners? hmmm

gyro stand owners still do more for the country than leeches who sit in their parents basement all day and talk shit online in a bad attempt to mask their insecurities

[Fractal]

gyro stand owners still do more for the country than leeches who sit in their parents basement all day and talk shit online in a bad attempt to mask their insecurities

Doesn't change what I wrote. Turks/Kurds/MENAs/EasternEuropeans/Balkanoids are far less desirable than Indians would be in the UK. like a billion times less desirable. You are.

1. Muslims
2. lower IQ
3. have higher crime rates

@Butlerking: what is your opinion of Turks in the UK?

[ButlerKing]

Anyone who shows slight mongol features is mongoloid for Butlerking. :D

No. He is so blantaly Mongoloid as hell. Properly because European genes are weak.

South Asians have strong genes. This guy is half Indian, half Chinese and look way more Caucasoid that fat chinky face Nogai

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af18/oditous2/8bf0db0b.jpg~original

[Thracian]

Doesn't change what I wrote. Turks are far less desirable than Indians would be in the UK. like a billion times less desirable. You are.

1. Muslims
2. lower IQ
3. have higher crime rates

@Butlerking: what is your opinion of Turks in the UK?

Where do you work?

[Gangrel]

Where do you work?

he is a 27/28 year old who doesn't work and leeches off his parents, he still hasn't finished his community college yet LOL

[Fractal]

Where do you work?

Irrelevant.

[ButlerKing]

gyro stand owners still do more for the country than leeches who sit in their parents basement all day and talk shit online in a bad attempt to mask their insecurities

Turkish people work for Indians bosses.

Everywhere in the world needs South Asian migrants but they don't need Turks

[Gangrel]

Doesn't change what I wrote. Turks/Kurds/MENAs/EasternEuropeans/Balkanoids are far less desirable than Indians would be in the UK. like a billion times less desirable. You are.

1. Muslims
2. lower IQ
3. have higher crime rates

@Butlerking: what is your opinion of Turks in the UK?

Statistics. And don't compare silk valley Indians with UK Indians, the most common job for Indians in the UK is in the food business and as off-licence owners.

[Fractal]

Turkish people work for Indians bosses.

Everywhere in the world needs South Asian migrants but they don't need Turks

Exactly. Turks are low IQ morons, like everyone from the middle east. Here in the USA, we have beaner Mexicans, Chinks and Southern Europeans, as well as Whites working for us LOL.

In the UK, its those Turks/Kurds/MENAs.

[Gangrel]

Turkish people work for Indians bosses.

Everywhere in the world needs South Asian migrants but they don't need Turks

LOL stop fucking lying

We employ each other, I have never seen a Turk work for an Indian

[Fractal]

Exactly. Turks are low IQ morons, like everyone from the middle east. Here in the USA, we have beaner Mexicans, Chinks and Southern Europeans, as well as Whites working for us LOL.

In the UK, its those Turks/Kurds/MENAs.

lol butthurt Turk

http://media2.intoday.in/indiatoday/images/stories//2016JUNE/8_070616034604.jpg

[Gangrel]

Irrelevant.

Irrelevant when it comes to yourself? You are a disgusting useless maggot who has offered nothing positive to this world

[Grab the Gauge]

'Ethnicity: British:

:rofl:

You realise education in the UK is free right? Why didn't your parents send you to school :rofl:

He isn't British he is East Asian.

[Gangrel]

lol butthurt Turk

http://media2.intoday.in/indiatoday/images/stories//2016JUNE/8_070616034604.jpg

25,000 doctors in a country of 60 million is supposed to be impressive?

And Indians are the largest minority group in the UK by far and have been here for generations, it would actually be insulting if they did not have the highest number of doctors in the country after ethnic Brits

[ButlerKing]

Even in terms of DNA and physical anthropology

Turks/ Central Asia = Mongoloid + Caucasoid

Indian/South Asia = Caucasoid + Proto-Caucasoid

[Fractal]

LOL stop fucking lying

We employ each other, I have never seen a Turk work for an Indian

dude I have relatives in the UK, in better areas than you live in. Turks own stupid little gyro halal shops. Indians do everything from restaurants, to medicine to engineering.

Get real. No one sees Indians and Turks/MENAs in the same light. Just accept you middle eastern kebabs are intellectually inferior to us. Stop being that RMuller in denial.

[Gangrel]

Even in terms of DNA and physical anthropology

Turks/ Central Asia = Mongoloid + Caucasoid

Indian/South Asia = Caucasoid + Australoid

I fixed that for you, the OWD must have affected your train of thought there.

[Fractal]

I fixed that for you, the OWD must have affected your train of thought there.

Veddoid isn't Australoloid, sand nigger who looks like a mestizo.

Get back to cleaning the hotel for Mr. Patel.

[Fractal]

I fixed that for you, the OWD must have affected your train of thought there.

ugly fat beastly looking sand nigger.

[Grab the Gauge]

If one is blind than I agree with you completely.

( Isn't paying attention to deep morphology ? Lol )

https://sbs.arizona.edu/sites/sbs.arizona.edu/files/u20/image_mex2.jpg

Their morphology is clearly Caucasoid, nasal, mandibular, temporal, midfacial, low rectangular orbits, etc.

These people are no more Mongoloid than Mexicans. In fact they look less Mongoloid than many Mexicans in my city. They could pass as gypsies. They would never pass in East Asia.

[Gangrel]

dude I have relatives in the UK, in better areas than you live in. Turks own stupid little gyro halal shops. Indians do everything from restaurants, to medicine to engineering.

Get real. No one sees Indians and Turks/MENAs in the same light. Just accept you middle eastern kebabs are intellectually inferior to us. Stop being that RMuller in denial.

Give me statistics that show UK Indians have higher IQ than Turks, because nation wise our IQ is significantly higher. You are an obvious example of this, still being in community college at an age where you should be married or at least in a relationship and live in your own house.

[Gangrel]

ugly fat beastly looking sand nigger.

You can talk, I have pictures of you twinky boy lmao

[ButlerKing]

I




I SUGGEST YOU READ THIS VERY CAREFULLY

The Visva-bharati Quarterly, Volume 33

https://books.google.co.uk/books/content?id=b35DAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&img=1&zoom=1&imgtk=AFLRE73OnKOrn8v7jwP0V2Em19-cTOaSCxescr4ci4veeziUgxKKffBj26HS_xxNZbU0TXISbA8p2 MqEHUXJTCbLvVWj0sBt9ylMBR12FNBqpxn9rzwf5Nw

"Earliest Iranian Inhabitants were early caucasoids, who probably resembled some of the marginal caucasoids of Asia like the Veddas and Dravidians, more than they did the more sturdily built living central Europeans."


The Balangodese of Ceylon: Their Biological and Cultural Affinities with the Vedda, Volume 1

https://books.google.co.uk/books/content?id=_2BKAQAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&img=1&zoom=1&imgtk=AFLRE72RGoeFkqu_adZIGSCG1kUjH0UFJyaPtRfQb82Y 3DS0A4m87gM-Ewd4GjexozN39Bup9UsDAKykyOn_LATxA3pJedT_vsppJgs6xc 7_-YgFDuIXpi-aFR1u0EJSVAydapkFeX3M


"Their Biological and Cultural Affinities with the Vedda Kenneth A. R. Kennedy. In Biasutti's (1951, Vol. ... 173) classifies the Vedda and other "anomalous tribes" of the subcontinent as one sub-group of the Caucasian Race. Bertin (1889) "

[Gangrel]

I SUGGEST YOU READ THIS VERY CAREFULLY

The Visva-bharati Quarterly, Volume 33

https://books.google.co.uk/books/content?id=b35DAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&img=1&zoom=1&imgtk=AFLRE73OnKOrn8v7jwP0V2Em19-cTOaSCxescr4ci4veeziUgxKKffBj26HS_xxNZbU0TXISbA8p2 MqEHUXJTCbLvVWj0sBt9ylMBR12FNBqpxn9rzwf5Nw

"Earliest Iranian Inhabitants were early caucasoids, who probably resembled some of the marginal caucasoids of Asia like the Veddas and Dravidians, more than they did the more sturdily built living central Europeans."


The Balangodese of Ceylon: Their Biological and Cultural Affinities with the Vedda, Volume 1

https://books.google.co.uk/books/content?id=_2BKAQAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&img=1&zoom=1&imgtk=AFLRE72RGoeFkqu_adZIGSCG1kUjH0UFJyaPtRfQb82Y 3DS0A4m87gM-Ewd4GjexozN39Bup9UsDAKykyOn_LATxA3pJedT_vsppJgs6xc 7_-YgFDuIXpi-aFR1u0EJSVAydapkFeX3M


"Their Biological and Cultural Affinities with the Vedda Kenneth A. R. Kennedy. In Biasutti's (1951, Vol. ... 173) classifies the Vedda and other "anomalous tribes" of the subcontinent as one sub-group of the Caucasian Race. Bertin (1889) "

Nobody gives a fuck about your ancient pseudo science. You are part australoid, live up to it

[Fractal]

You can talk, I have pictures of you twinky boy lmao

veddoid isn't australoid. its as inaccurate as me calling you a sand nigger - since you're not arab.

[Gangrel]

well me calling you "beastly" or "sand nigger" or even fat is about as inaccurate as you saying indians are australoid.

Ok? You sound real hurt, if we met in real life you would dust it pussy midget :rofl:

[Fractal]

Give me statistics that show UK Indians have higher IQ than Turks, because nation wise our IQ is significantly higher. You are an obvious example of this, still being in community college at an age where you should be married or at least in a relationship and live in your own house.

Are you joking me right now? Do you think the average Briton sees Turks in the same light as Indians (or other MENas for that matter)

Why are Indians stereotyped as being computer geeks, doctors, business owners, etc? Turks are nothign more than gyro stand owners. Accept it.

[Gangrel]

blablabla

shut the fuck up pipsqueak, if you are going to make allegations have statistics to back them up. my country has a higher iq than yours, get over it you retarded flea

[ButlerKing]

Their morphology is clearly Caucasoid, nasal, mandibular, temporal, midfacial, low rectangular orbits, etc.

These people are no more Mongoloid than Mexicans. In fact they look less Mongoloid than many Mexicans in my city. They could pass as gypsies. They would never pass in East Asia.

Mexicans of course don't look Mongoloid. Problem is you told me Nogais don't look anymore Mongoloid than Mexican Americans.

How can you convince anyone that these Nogai with their Chink-like faces and dwarf legs aren't Mongoloid :rolleyes:

http://s18.postimg.org/6rrc5s2hl/Nogai2.jpg

[Gangrel]

The only Indian on this website who comes to my mind that is actually proud of his heritage and is not a shit talking faggot retard is Purohit Ji, you both should aspire to be more like a man like Purohit

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Their morphology is clearly Caucasoid, nasal, mandibular, temporal, midfacial, low rectangular orbits, etc.

These people are no more Mongoloid than Mexicans. In fact they look less Mongoloid than many Mexicans in my city. They could pass as gypsies. They would never pass in East Asia.

I have to ask Grab the Gauge something. Were Hunnic language more similar to modern turkic languages or to mongolian according to you?

[Grab the Gauge]

Mexicans of course don't look Mongoloid. Problem is you told me Nogais don't look anymore Mongoloid than Mexican Americans.

How can you convince anyone that these Nogai with their Chink-like faces and dwarf legs aren't Mongoloid :rolleyes:

http://s18.postimg.org/6rrc5s2hl/Nogai2.jpg

Mexicans are slightly more Mongoloid than the Nogai and those guys legs aren't any shorter than Europeans were before the industrial revolution.


You've bssically got nothing; the funny thing is that those Nogai you just posted look like Mexicans.

[ButlerKing]

Nobody gives a fuck about your ancient pseudo science. You are part australoid, live up to it

Lol so it's pseudo-science ? Did you know that Eickstedt a even placed Veddoids among the 'old-Europid race' ?

Learn history before you challenge me to debate.

[Grab the Gauge]

I have to ask Grab the Gauge something. Were Hunnic language more similar to modern turkic languages or to mongolian according to you?

Nobody even knows. Probably more similar to Turkic and IE. Even Mongolian itself was more similar to Turkic and even IE languages 1000 years ago. The Huns in Europe just spoke German.

[Gangrel]

Lol so it's pseudo-science ? Did you know that Eickstedt a even placed Veddoids among the 'old-Europid race' ?

Even more reason for me to take that shit less seriously

[Fractal]

Even more reason for me to take that shit less seriously

You need to show respect to your bosses. Indians especially Patels can buy out the entire Turkish ghettos in Germany and in the UK.

[Gangrel]

'M-Muh dad is richer than your dad'

https://grandpalampshadeblog.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/pepe-big-laugh.jpg?w=840

[ButlerKing]

Mexicans are slightly more Mongoloid than the Nogai and those guys legs aren't any shorter than Europeans were before the industrial revolution.


You've bssically got nothing; the funny thing is that those Nogai you just posted look like Mexicans.

Stop your insolent trolling.


Nogais

http://e-history.kz/media/upload/ckimages/%D0%9D%D0%BE%D0%B37.jpg




Mexican American

http://www.writework.com/uploads/6/67407/mexican-american.png

[Grab the Gauge]

Again, just proving my point that Nogais look Mexican.

P.s. here's what average Mexicans look like. The macaque-looking guy grabbing his crotch looks straight up Japanese.

http://www.puttroopsontheborder.com/Mexican20Day20Laborers.gif

[ButlerKing]

Even more reason for me to take that shit less seriously

You don't have any qualification to decide that. Can't take this seriously from an expert ?

Egon Freiherr von Eickstedt

Egon Freiherr von Eickstedt (April 10, 1892 – December 20, 1965) was a German physical anthropologist who classified humanity into races.

" German anthropologists, Eickstedt had studied medicine and had then specialized in social anthropology as a student of Felix Luschan (1854-1934). In the 1920s, he became an expert on ethnic groups in South Asia and was a member of the German South-Asia-. Expedition organized by the Research Institute for Social "

https://www.zwischenze.it/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/mainzer-nazis-schwidetzky-eickstedt-800x425.jpg

[Vlatko Vukovic]

The Huns in Europe just spoke German.

The real Huns, or one of their warriors (Germanic-speaking people)?

[Grab the Gauge]

The real Huns, or one of their warriors (Germanic-speaking people)?

Yes, even the "real" Huns spoke Germanic. It was the lingua franca of all western Huns. Although one wonders whether or not the wsstern Huns were even "real" huns at all.

[ButlerKing]

Again, just proving my point that Nogais look Mexican.

P.s. here's what average Mexicans look like. The macaque-looking guy grabbing his crotch looks straight up Japanese.

http://www.puttroopsontheborder.com/Mexican20Day20Laborers.gif


Troll Troll Troll....... You do know there White Mexicans, Meztizo Mexicans, Afro-Mexicans, Amerindian Mexicans and even Mexicans who mixed with Chinese ect ?


In this picture: Japanese from Japan, Japanese American boyfriend, White Mexican girl. ( Do they look Mexican couple ? )
http://howibecametexan.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/IMG_3937.jpg

[Grab the Gauge]

The majority of Mexicans are morenos who resemble central and the Japanese. Although some central Asians, notably Tajiks and Uzbeks, are significantly more European in appearance and genetics than Mexicans.

[ButlerKing]

Mexicans of European and predominant European ancestry make up 9-47% Estimates range to 56 million[1][2][3][4]

White Mexicans

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d8/Mexican_Girls.jpg/200px-Mexican_Girls.jpg
http://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1385/92/1385927361888.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0FdoNfz.jpg

Meztizo Mexicans ( also partially European ) 50-80% of the population

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/P-JsIDzfHRY/hqdefault.jpg
http://a3.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/126/048758413812428593671938d9ec5d02/l.jpg

[Vlatko Vukovic]

...

[Grab the Gauge]

Mexicans of European and predominant European ancestry make up 9-47% Estimates range to 56 million[1][2][3][4]

White Mexicans




All incorrect. 65% of Mexicans identify as Moreno (not white).


http://www.conapred.org.mx/documentos_cedoc/Dossier%20DISC-RACIAL.pdf

And a whole lotta of them don't identify as Moreno when they should.

[ButlerKing]

The majority of Mexicans are morenos who resemble central and the Japanese. Although some central Asians, notably Tajiks and Uzbeks, are significantly more European in appearance and genetics than Mexicans.

Actually they look Turkish. I sometimes get a Mexican vibe when I compare them. http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/537f996be9aa47bb9d5808d2d3086b62/turkish-fans-before-game-switzerland-v-turkey-st-jakob-park-basel-hy1799.jpg


http://c8.alamy.com/comp/G2PJYB/san-diego-california-usa-01st-june-2016-mexican-fans-fill-the-seats-G2PJYB.jpg

[Grab the Gauge]

[Quote]Meztizo Mexicans ( also partially European ) 50-80% of the population
http://a3.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/126/048758413812428593671938d9ec5d02/l.jpg


These are not mestizos but fifth and +sixth generation Mexican Americans from California with origins Northern Mexico, which is the whitest and least populated part of Mexixo. The parts of Mexico where the majority of people actually live, is majority Mongoloid and Mestizo. Those guys are almost castizos. They look nothing like the average Mexican. They also look nothing like the Mexicans who have been coming here since the 1970s.

Even then, you can still see a Japanese looking dude with the black hat on in the back.

[Fractal]

[QUOTE=ButlerKing;4855026]




These are not mestizos but third generation Mexican Americans from California with origins Northern Mexico, which is the whitest and least populated part of Mexixo. The parts of Mexico where the majority of people actually live, is majority Mongoloid and Mestizo. Those guys are almost castizos. They look nothing like the average Mexican. They also look nothing like the Mexicans who have been coming here since the 1970s.

Even then, you can still see a Japanese looking dude with the black hat on in the back.

The illegals pouring into California by the millions are Mongoloid Amerindian looking ones or Mestizos. The cholos you find in East LA and Northern California are the ones you describe from Northern Mexico.

I think in your state they're mostly from Northern Mexico.

[ButlerKing]

[QUOTE=ButlerKing;4855026]




These are not mestizos but third generation Mexican Americans from California with origins Northern Mexico, which is the whitest and least populated part of Mexixo. The parts of Mexico where the majority of people actually live, is majority Mongoloid and Mestizo. Those guys are almost castizos. They look nothing like the average Mexican.

Even then, you can still see a Japanese looking dude with the black hat on in the back.

That looks nothing like Japanese but just so you know. Asian Mexican make up 0.8% of Mexico, so we are talking about a million people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_Mexicans


Indigenous Mexicans look like this

http://www.labornotes.org/sites/default/files/styles/833x403/public/main/articles/oaxacateacherstrike06.300.jpg?itok=tXyTcq0c

[Fractal]

The only Indian on this website who comes to my mind that is actually proud of his heritage and is not a shit talking faggot retard is Purohit Ji, you both should aspire to be more like a man like Purohit

I would gladly tell you Indians are more intelligent and productive than Turks to your face. I mean come on, Turkish/Arab/MENA ghettos in Germany vs. Indian areas in the UK?

Because it's simply true.

[ButlerKing]

Anyway.... the original point of this thread was about it's not possible that the DNA study was correct....because Mongoloid facial are way too strong in Nogais despite having such little Mongoloid admixture.

What happens later ? a member telling me these people are only 15-25% Mongoloid and than others tell me that they have only slight Mongoloid features, or that even Mexican Americans look more slightly Mongoloid than them.

Be honest with yourself please. You know these guys look at least more than 70% Mongoloid shifted.

https://i.hizliresim.com/Dy04k6.png
http://w.histrf.ru/uploads/media/article/0001/03/thumb_2486_article_middle.jpeg
http://geophoto.ru/large/aper215102210l.jpg

[Grab the Gauge]

[QUOTE=Grab the Gauge;4855036]

That looks nothing like Japanese but just so you know. Asian Mexican make up 0.8% of Mexico, so we are talking about a million people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_Mexicans


Indigenous Mexicans look like this

http://www.labornotes.org/sites/default/files/styles/833x403/public/main/articles/oaxacateacherstrike06.300.jpg?itok=tXyTcq0c

Good old Butlerking, using adolescent central Asians to "prove" they are Mongoloid, and senile Native Americans to suggest they are non-Mongoloid. You've been doing it for ten years now and I've been shooting you down every step of the way.

Maya man


http://www.southernbelize.com/grc/maya2.jpg

Guatemalan Amerndian


http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/fa158dff2724442abd2a09fffff63b38/guatemala-peten-portrait-mayan-man-dg0y9e.jpg

Mexican


https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fe/74/11/fe7411c4c71053476cb2052ad7bf4dc0.jpg


Mayan


http://worldstogethertravel.com/belize/images/maya-pics/w-german.jpg

Mexican

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2044/2326810802_355a0e6fc6.jpg


Mexian American


http://mdak.on.com/md/105/hmd5cadccn9qp3xj51kt_M.jpg

https://occupationoforegon.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/fdjgkdasjgajsdgj.jpg?w=240

https://orwells1984oregon.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/walzon1.jpg

https://hips.htvapps.com/htv-prod-media.s3.amazonaws.com/ibmig/cms/image/kcra/23339054-23339054.jpg



http://www.thesmokinggun.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/670xX/photos/FunnyFaces201007121648120035.jpg

[Kouros]

I would gladly tell you Indians are more intelligent and productive than Turks to your face. I mean come on, Turkish/Arab/MENA ghettos in Germany vs. Indian areas in the UK?

Because it's simply true.

Dude, holy fuck. Not to be rude but you derail every fucking thread you enter. What the hell do Gujaratis have to do with Nogais?

[Grab the Gauge]

Japanese


http://images.financialexpress.com/2017/10/shinzo-abe-reuters-2.jpg

https://orwells1984oregon.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/walzon1.jpg


https://i.ytimg.com/vi/4QmhsM_VyUY/0.jpg
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/670xX/photos/FunnyFaces201007121648120035.jpg

[ButlerKing]

Good old Butlerking, using adolescent central Asians to "prove" they are Mongoloid, and senile Native Americans to suggest they are non-Mongoloid. You've been doing it for ten years now and I've been shooting you down every step of the way.




None of these pictures look anything as Mongoloid as Nogai.

I also don't cherry pick pictures individually like you do.

Indigenous Mexicans.

http://www.trbimg.com/img-522ce560/turbine/la-fg-wn-tens-of-thousands-protest-mexican-oil-001/600/600x400
https://westernrifleshooters.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/illegalimmigrants.jpg
http://c8.alamy.com/comp/BRJ838/indigenous-triqui-women-and-children-protest-in-a-tent-encampment-BRJ838.jpg

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Yes, even the "real" Huns spoke Germanic. It was the lingua franca of all western Huns. Although one wonders whether or not the wsstern Huns were even "real" huns at all.

What do you think about the predecessor of modern Baltic and Slavic languages, (or Proto Balto-Slavic), was it spoken in the Hunnic Empire ?

[Gangrel]

I would gladly tell you Indians are more intelligent and productive than Turks to your face.

no you would not, fucking pussy. stop acting twink

[Gangrel]

Dude, holy fuck. Not to be rude but you derail every fucking thread you enter. What the hell do Gujaratis have to do with Nogais?

he is a troll who needs to be banned off this fucking forum asap. the troll toxicity in this forum is going to make everyone move somewhere else

[Grab the Gauge]

They look MORE Mongoloid than Nogai. That's why I posted pictures of Mexicans looking more Mongoloid (even by your stupid definition) than Japanese.

Just face it, BK. You can't have it your way. Nogai aren't that Mongoloid looking. Especially the males in this photo:

https://i.hizliresim.com/Dy04k6.png

[ButlerKing]

Japanese


http://images.financialexpress.com/2017/10/shinzo-abe-reuters-2.jpg

https://orwells1984oregon.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/walzon1.jpg


https://i.ytimg.com/vi/4QmhsM_VyUY/0.jpg
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/670xX/photos/FunnyFaces201007121648120035.jpg


You're examples are so damn stupid.

Prime Minister Shinzo Abe looks like a typical East Asian Mongoloid why are you comparing him with Mexican?

Also what's the point of posting Japanese bodybuilder with fake tans ?

Your comparisons are 0% alike and I feel like you're trolling too much now.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Yes, even the "real" Huns spoke Germanic. It was the lingua franca of all western Huns. Although one wonders whether or not the wsstern Huns were even "real" huns at all.

What do you think about the predecessor of modern Baltic and Slavic languages, (or Proto Balto-Slavic), was it spoken in the Hunnic Empire ?

[Grab the Gauge]

Shinzo Abe looks less "Mongoloid" by your dumb definitions. He is dolicocephalic, narrower malar and midfacial region, longer legs.

He is also darker than the bodybuilder. Does Shinzo Abe wear a fake tan, too? :lol::lol::lol:

[ButlerKing]

They look MORE Mongoloid than Nogai. That's why I posted pictures of Mexicans looking more Mongoloid (even by your stupid definition) than Japanese.

Just face it, BK. You can't have it your way. Nogai aren't that Mongoloid looking. Especially the males in this photo:

https://i.hizliresim.com/Dy04k6.png


I don't know what crack you're smoking. Your example of Japanese VS Mexicans are so silly even when compare them individually.

Try finding me Mexicans in a group photo and who look like these Japanese/Chinese students ( Japanese look like Chinese, not Mexicans )

http://images.china.cn/attachement/jpg/site1007/20080315/001372a9ae270945fe4b63.jpg

( mind you all the Mexicans I posted are indegenious people, not even Mestizo )

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-M0Xjgg6Ulss/Tnev9ZBKY6I/AAAAAAAAAmE/qjVUJrvRi40/s1600/oaxaca%2B102.JPG

[ButlerKing]

Shinzo Abe looks less "Mongoloid" by your dumb definitions. He is dolicocephalic, narrower malar and midfacial region, longer legs.

He is also darker than the bodybuilder. Does Shinzo Abe wear a fake tan, too? :lol::lol::lol:

Dolicocephic exists in every race in the world. Nobody ever claimed Dolicophic was a Caucasoid trait.

Chinese people can also have Dolicocephic head shapes especially Australian aborigines. It's not Caucasoid type

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolichocephaly

[ButlerKing]

less "Mongoloid" by your dumb definitions.


How about we get back to the original point because I know there's no way in hell you will find Mexicans in group photos that look like Chinese/Japanese.

You were trying to me tell Nogais are Caucasoid with slight Mongoloid features ? I disagreed with you completely.

Tell something. Which once looks more Mongoloid

This Nogai girl

https://eurovoix-world.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Madina-Kartakeyva.jpg

Or this half Asian girl (50% Mongoloid )

http://www.sodiverse.com/wp-content/uploads/tdomf/29631/028a.jpg






What's so opinion. Do you see only slight Mongoloid features on the Nogai or do you want me to believe I have eyesight problem ?

[Grab the Gauge]

Dolicocephic exists in every race in the world. Nobody ever claimed Dolicophic was a Caucasoid trait.



Actually, you did just a few hours ago in your Scythian thread.


Please face it. Nogai aren't that Mongoloid..

[Grab the Gauge]

How about we get back to the original point because I know there's no way in hell you will find Mexicans in group photos that look like Chinese/Japanese.

You were trying to me tell Nogais are Caucasoid with slight Mongoloid features ? I disagreed with you completely.

Tell something. Which once looks more Mongoloid

This Nogai girl

https://eurovoix-world.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Madina-Kartakeyva.jpg

Or this half Asian girl (50% Mongoloid )

http://www.sodiverse.com/wp-content/uploads/tdomf/29631/028a.jpg






What's so opinion. Do you see only slight Mongoloid features on the Nogai or do you want me to believe I have eyesight problem ?

Yet again ButlerNig used adolescent photos to make a point.

Yet still, the Nogai girl looks more Caucasoid. Her chin, mandible, nasal bones, orbital bones, infranasal depression, all Caucasoid.

You'll never win, ButlerJap. Time to jump in front of a train and kill yourself.

[ButlerKing]

Yet again ButlerNig used adolescent photos to make a point.

Yet still, the Nogai girl looks more Caucasoid. Her chin, mandible, nasal bones, orbital bones, infranasal depression, all Caucasoid.

You'll never win, ButlerJap. Time to jump in front of a train and kill yourself.

Oh really, the Nogai girl more Caucasoid.... how Mongoloid are the Nogais in this picture ?

http://s18.postimg.org/wm14vk2hl/Nogai1.jpg


How Mongoloid is this Half Korean ?

http://www.dramabeans.com/wp-content/images/drama1/minam_julien1.jpg

[Grab the Gauge]

Over 70% Caucasoid.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-DNA_haplogroups_in_populations_of_the_Caucasus

Those Nogais pass for Mexican. One of my Mexican friend's mom looks exactly like that woman.


Korean dude has clearly had plastic surgery, teeth too big for his job. Almoat every south korean has had plastic surgery.

It's time to stop posting pictures of individuals and accept the fact that Nogai are West Eurasian. Russian, Turkish, Anglo scientists agree.

[ButlerKing]

Over 70% Caucasoid.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-DNA_haplogroups_in_populations_of_the_Caucasus

Those Nogais pass for Mexican. One of my Mexican friend's mom looks exactly like that woman.


Korean dude has clearly had plastic surgery, teeth too big for his job. Almoat every south korean has had plastic surgery.

It's time to stop posting pictures of individuals and accept the fact that Nogai are West Eurasian. Russian, Turkish, Anglo scientists agree.

Nobody can take your bullshit seriously. Those Nogais can pass for Southeast Asians not Mexicans. The Korean dude is half Korean and look no different to when he was young.

It's time to accept your just another troll making faking assertions.


Your a bullshit troll



Next you're going to tell me that this Half Chinese/half French girl My and Alexa Chung 1/3 Chinese don't look anything Caucasoid

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMjEwNjAwMDQxMl5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwOTQzMzAzMQ@@._ V1_.jpg
http://www.arogundade.com/Resources/alexa-chung-352.jpg


Or at least nowhere as Caucasoid as these SUPER CAUCASOID Nogais because apparently I judge people anyone with even the slightest Mongoloid traits as Mongoloids.

https://pp.userapi.com/c830709/v830709032/49a6/LGYrWKvafSI.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/9a/37/67/9a37679fff6d3f04dc7a8197ca5bbcb2--golden-horde-old-mans.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-c3SKxdR2O3M/UM161y-zVwI/AAAAAAAAByo/QCpYzXUzNUg/s1600/astrahan+g%C3%B6%C3%A7k%C3%BCnc%C3%BC+kad%C4%B1n.j peg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a9/ef/bb/a9efbb13439d07acb5eae4ccdda8b616.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3350/3479387661_0c9bfdbdc1_o.jpg

[MustafaTekin]

https://www.google.be/imgres?imgurl=http://i39.tinypic.com/157jaxf.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.dianliwenmi.com/postimg_15675835.html&h=420&w=639&tbnid=nqmg6pdnr9IH9M&tbnh=182&tbnw=277&usg=__Qjq9L1mMlfn8RRaz6Uupb2eueRQ=&hl=nl-BE&docid=ZCD7zkS7k2hJPM&itg=1

You're posting Uyghur men as Nogai. Nice cherrypicking.

[MustafaTekin]

Anyway.... the original point of this thread was about it's not possible that the DNA study was correct....because Mongoloid facial are way too strong in Nogais despite having such little Mongoloid admixture.

What happens later ? a member telling me these people are only 15-25% Mongoloid and than others tell me that they have only slight Mongoloid features, or that even Mexican Americans look more slightly Mongoloid than them.

Be honest with yourself please. You know these guys look at least more than 70% Mongoloid shifted.

https://i.hizliresim.com/Dy04k6.png
http://w.histrf.ru/uploads/media/article/0001/03/thumb_2486_article_middle.jpeg
http://geophoto.ru/large/aper215102210l.jpg

On the first pic, they look clearly Caucasian, second are Kazakh the third is Kalmyk.

[ButlerKing]

https://www.google.be/imgres?imgurl=http://i39.tinypic.com/157jaxf.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.dianliwenmi.com/postimg_15675835.html&h=420&w=639&tbnid=nqmg6pdnr9IH9M&tbnh=182&tbnw=277&usg=__Qjq9L1mMlfn8RRaz6Uupb2eueRQ=&hl=nl-BE&docid=ZCD7zkS7k2hJPM&itg=1

You're posting Uyghur men as Nogai. Nice cherrypicking.

You're a fool !!!!!! There's no place in China that looks like that. Clearly you can tell by background is Caucasus region. Also you link goes to a website that doesn't have a picture of it.

[ButlerKing]

On the first pic, they look clearly Caucasian, second are Kazakh the third is Kalmyk.

You're another bullshit troll or just a liar.

The second picture came from this Nogai video at 1:37

Now here is youtube video of them


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KVHnIZJfxE



You said the Nogais in the first picture they look clearly Caucasian ? I didn't know something that look nearly similar to a Korean can be mistaken as Caucasian.... either you have eye problem or they are just bullshit trolls.

[Grab the Gauge]

LMFAO Butler King/Butler Jap exposed again.


I knew this rat was frauding.

[ButlerKing]

LMFAO Butler King/Butler Jap exposed again.


I knew this rat was frauding.


The fact that you're so focused on Central Asian people such Turks and Scythians proves that you're most likely Turkish. I doubt any American would care about this and I doubt they call themselves English Americans.

Turks don't like it when I and others show their Mongoloid origin.

But you could be a troll aswell.

[Massagetae]

The fact that you're so focused on Central Asian people such Turks and Scythians proves that you're most likely Turkish. I doubt any American would care about this and I doubt they call themselves English Americans.

Turks don't like it when I and other show their Mongoloid origin.

We wuz Siberians and Mongols and shiet.....now we Kurdz and Arabz.

[Grab the Gauge]

List of things I have been accused of being:


Balkanite (Colonel Frank Grimes)
Albanian (pretty much every Greek)
Indian/Pakistani (Raine + many Greeks and Spaniards)
A "Portugalnigger" (people on the Italianthro forum)
Half Asian (pretty much everyone calls me this)
"Ethnic" (Sebastianus Rex)

[MustafaTekin]

You're another bullshit troll or just a liar.

The second picture came from this Nogai video at 1:37

Now here is youtube video of them


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KVHnIZJfxE



You said the Nogais in the first picture they look clearly Caucasian ? I didn't know something that look nearly similar to a Korean can be mistaken as Caucasian.... either you have eye problem or they are just bullshit trolls.

Man, you should stop with your posts. It's clearly visible that they have Caucasian and oriental influences. You're keep comparing half chines/korean and half nordics. It's not same.

[MustafaTekin]

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/9a/37/67/9a37679fff6d3f04dc7a8197ca5bbcb2--golden-horde-old-mans.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-c3SKxdR2O3M/UM161y-zVwI/AAAAAAAAByo/QCpYzXUzNUg/s1600/astrahan+g%C3%B6%C3%A7k%C3%BCnc%C3%BC+kad%C4%B1n.j peg

Nice cherrypicking. It says Astrakhanskiy Tatarets which means Astrakhan Tatar, second woman is Kyrgyz not Nogai, because it's written Kyrgyzska devushka.

[Mingle]

What do you think about the predecessor of modern Baltic and Slavic languages, (or Proto Balto-Slavic), was it spoken in the Hunnic Empire ?

We have evidence that Gothic was the lingua franca of the Hunnish Empire. Balto-Slavic languages were probably spoken by some of the inhabitants in some of the lands they conquered, but there isn't any evidence that the Huns spoke it themselves.

[Mingle]

I agree, Butlerking. They look mainly Mongoloid. The average can't be less than 50% Mongoloid. The sample size was most likely too small and the Nogais might have been mixed with Anatolian-Turks or Russians. There is no way they have less Mongoloid than Uzbeks on average.

[Mingle]

Here is another source that compares autosomal DNA:

https://images.nature.com/m685/nature-assets/srep/2016/160725/srep30197/images_hires/srep30197-f2.jpg

[ButlerKing]

Man, you should stop with your posts. It's clearly visible that they have Caucasian and oriental influences. You're keep comparing half chines/korean and half nordics. It's not same.

It's a similar thing and even the half Chinese/Korean look more Caucasian than the Nogais in the video.

My original point of this thread was I don't believe they are just a mere 1/3 East Eurasian because their phenotypes look at least 70% Mongoloid shifted but than you came thumbing me down 25 times in a minute and than you and the other troll telling me they look Caucasoid with only very little Mongoloid features.

[Grab the Gauge]

It's a similar thing and even the half Chinese/Korean look more Caucasian than the Nogais in the video.

My original point of this thread was I don't believe they are just a mere 1/3 East Eurasian because their phenotypes look at least 70% Mongoloid shifted but than you came thumbing me down 25 times in a minute and than you and the other troll telling me they look Caucasoid with only very little Mongoloid features.

75% of the people you posted weren't actually Nogai.

[Böri]

Again a new brown, South Asian, frustrated Indo-Iranian incursion against Turks.
You can read in this anything stupid which can be read on forums. And that's funny.

Nogays are autosomally 30% Siberian and North East Asian. That's just 8% more than Chuvash.
They are more Bashkir-like (Bashkirs a bit more than them).

The evidence is that I get them in my cluster list similar and interchangeable with Turkmens.


K12b

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 39.28
2 Gedrosia 15.44
3 Atlantic_Med 10.81
4 North_European 8.42
5 East_Asian 8.13
6 Siberian 7.58
7 Southwest_Asian 6.95
8 South_Asian 2.31
9 Northwest_African 0.7
10 Southeast_Asian 0.37

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turks (Behar) 9.95
2 Turkish (Dodecad) 10.62
3 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 15.83
4 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 15.98
5 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 16.37

[ButlerKing]

Nice cherrypicking. It says Astrakhanskiy Tatarets which means Astrakhan Tatar, second woman is Kyrgyz not Nogai, because it's written Kyrgyzska devushka.

I'm not going to believe on your bullshit. Nogais are sometimes referred to Astrakhan Tatars, because Nogais also live there. They appeared on google as soon as I typed Nogai.


Here's Nogais


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVUdboOghoo

[Böri]

We have evidence that Gothic was the lingua franca of the Hunnish Empire. Balto-Slavic languages were probably spoken by some of the inhabitants in some of the lands they conquered, but there isn't any evidence that the Huns spoke it themselves.

Bullshit.
There is no such evidence.
European Huns were the only non-Germanic people in history which conquered what's today Western Germany and Rhineland permanently for long decades. That's why some German historians invent such stories.

Gothic wasn't lingua franca or whatsoever.

Attila and the Hunnic elite were Oğur Turkic (like later Bulgars and most likely Khazars too).
That's not disputed anymore.


The Huns
By Hyun Jin Kim
page 7, 8
https://i.hizliresim.com/GyyoYN.jpg
https://i.hizliresim.com/ZOO7Vk.jpg


Etymology of Attila's name:

The Grand Strategy of the Byzantine Empire
By Edward Luttwak
p.15
https://i.hizliresim.com/d7ly0V.jpg

[Mingle]

It's possible that the reason for this is because the East Eurasian in Nogais is a very dominant northern Mongoloid. Whereas the Mongoloid in Uzbeks is of a different type. Remember, East Eurasian isn't one monolith. That's my guess.

[Böri]

Some calculators, in two population approximations, give me:
50% native Black Sea (north East Anatolia) + 50% Nogay.... (sometimes 50% Turkmen_Uzbekistan).

That's evidence the Nogays can't have above 30% N_E Asian and Siberian. Bashkir are a few percents more East Eurasian than Nogays but people don't notice since Bashkirs have a lot more North Euro than Nogays.

End of discussion.

[ButlerKing]

75% of the people you posted weren't actually Nogai.

According to what ? The possibility that Nogais who lived in Astrakhan were also refered to as Tatars like all Turkic people that lived there ?

The Nogais I posted all live in Dagestan, Caucasus. I suggest you look at this video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQDeffARdiE

[Mingle]

Bullshit.
There is no such evidence.
European Huns were the only non-Germanic people in history which conquered what's today Western Germany and Rhineland permanently for long decades. That's why some German historians invent such stories.

Gothic wasn't lingua franca or whatsoever.

Attila and the Hunnic elite were Oğur Turkic (like later Bulgars and most likely Khazars too).
That's not disputed anymore.


The Huns
By Hyun Jin Kim
page 7, 8
https://i.hizliresim.com/GyyoYN.jpg
https://i.hizliresim.com/ZOO7Vk.jpg


Etymology of Attila's name:

The Grand Strategy of the Byzantine Empire
By Edward Luttwak
p.15
https://i.hizliresim.com/d7ly0V.jpg

I know the Huns weren't Germanic. I just said it was just their empire's lingua franca. I don't think there is a clear consensus on the empire's lingua franca but it is largely assumed that was the case as there is evidence they spoke Gothic and Goths were a substantial part of their empire's population:


Priscus noted that the Hunnic language differed from other languages spoken at Attila's court.[94] He recounts how Zerco made Attila's guests laugh also by the "promiscuous jumble of words, Latin mixed with Hunnish and Gothic".[94] Priscus said that Attila's "Scythian" subjects spoke "besides their own barbarian tongues, either Hunnish, or Gothic, or, as many have dealings with the Western Romans, Latin; but not one of them easily speaks Greek, except captives from the Thracian or Illyrian frontier regions".[95]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huns

Their mother tongue was definitely not Gothic though. It might have been Turkic or it might have been some other language.

[Böri]

That's not a proof.
It just says some people in Attila's court or some people from among his guests talked Latin or Gothic. That's just the people who were there.
The evidence is where Huns came from, the fact it's reported that they spoke an unknown language to Latins/Goths and finally the names of leading Hunnic elements.
And that's all Oğuric. Kinda like old Bulgar, modern Chuvash.

There is no discussion anymore about that.

Case closed.

[ButlerKing]

Here is another source that compares autosomal DNA:

https://images.nature.com/m685/nature-assets/srep/2016/160725/srep30197/images_hires/srep30197-f2.jpg

Is really hard defining average DNA because Autosomal DNA results seems to contradict others.

In your study DNA of Turks they are no more than 5-6% Mongoloid but yet in other studies they shows 12-13%. Some Turks with 2-4% Mongoloid could be Kurdish since majority Kurdish live there but other Turks shows 16-18% Mongoloid

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-9Hsx6aOInUE/Whr2rRxvPjI/AAAAAAAAAJ0/pmpiCOGIKRUfzWmuNXFFQop6zG6Kk6V1wCLcBGAs/s1600/East%2BEurasian%2B1.png



Same thing with Mongols

http://i39.tinypic.com/2ppyhbm.jpg

Most of the West Eurasian DNA in Mongolian is West Asian. But you can clearly see this DNA reaches 0% from Eastern Mongolia to 13% in most western Mongolia ( where there are Turkic Kazakhs, Tuvans ). Even in the eastern portion half it's only 1.5 to 3% on the, but increases gradually the more west you go. But which group is closer to the original Mongol ?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-LIug8kEPKW4/UFtC9XP-VsI/AAAAAAAAD1A/HTmsEscIGoI/s1600/MDLPwestasian.jpg

[Böri]

Butlerking hates toilets like many others of his South Asian countrymen, he shits around incl. in this forum. xD


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6k97e71kJw

[ButlerKing]

Some calculators, in two population approximations, give me:
50% native Black Sea (north East Anatolia) + 50% Nogay.... (sometimes 50% Turkmen_Uzbekistan).

That's evidence the Nogays can't have above 30% N_E Asian and Siberian. Bashkir are a few percents more East Eurasian than Nogays but people don't notice since Bashkirs have a lot more North Euro than Nogays.

End of discussion.

End of discussion for yourself. Nogais must have genetic variation just like Turkish people do aswell.

You say Nogays can't have above 30% N.E Asian and Siberian but they certainly can look above 70%

All of these four Nogais Arslanbek Sultanbekov, Alibiy Romanov, Akhmat Kulniyazov and Ediga Kurutursurunov....... only your Arslanbek look more Caucasoid, the other three look more Mongoloid especially the two in the middle looks almost pure Mongoloid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh2s_mPD-1o

[Böri]

Nogay result. Typical one:


Kit M222573

Dodecad K7b Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 36.04
2 Atlantic_Baltic 24.96
3 Siberian 15.7
4 Southern 13.19
5 East_Asian 9.45
6 South_Asian 0.66

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 1.18

As a proto-Gypsy, it's time you cut your bull crap. Even Bashkirs are autosomally more eastern shifted than them.

[ButlerKing]

Nogay result. Typical one:



As a proto-Gypsy, it's time you cut your bull crap. Even Bashkirs are autosomally more eastern shifted than them.

You always show the same genetic crap with Nogais being lowly Mongoloid admixed, I bet is the same study over and over from a similar region.
How do you know Nogais don't have large variations ? Even your Turkey have huge variations and you think the same thing is not true for Nogais ????

Tell me why western Turkey is 13-18% Mongoid, central is 6-15%, east Turkey is 1-3% ( I could guess because is East Turkey is Kurdish dominated majority )

http://i.hizliresim.com/vEB25v.png

[Mingle]

You always show the same genetic crap with Nogais being lowly Mongoloid admixed, I bet is the same study over and over from a similar region.
How do you know Nogais don't have large variations ? Even your Turkey have huge variations and you think the same thing is not true for Nogais ????

Tell me why western Turkey is 13-18% Mongoid, central is 6-15%, east Turkey is 1-3% ( I could guess because is East Turkey is Kurdish dominated majority )

http://i.hizliresim.com/vEB25v.png

Nogais would have less variations than Anatolian-Turks because their population is much much smaller. But they're a fringe group from the Caucasus so it's reasonable for there to have been a small sample size as well. I don't know enough about the issue to say for sure, but I think your theory is more probable. I'm surprised no one on Anthrogenica knew the reason why (I searched up that thread there).

[Armenian Bishop]

Intermission Time! What drama movie is next? lol :popcorn:

[Hudayar]

You always show the same genetic crap with Nogais being lowly Mongoloid admixed, I bet is the same study over and over from a similar region.
How do you know Nogais don't have large variations ? Even your Turkey have huge variations and you think the same thing is not true for Nogais ????

Tell me why western Turkey is 13-18% Mongoid, central is 6-15%, east Turkey is 1-3% ( I could guess because is East Turkey is Kurdish dominated majority )

http://i.hizliresim.com/vEB25v.png

Eastern Turkish results really depends on the person


here's a Turk from Gümüşhane
# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 34.06
2 Gedrosia 14.47
3 Atlantic_Med 12.9
4 North_European 9.94
5 Southwest_Asian 9.09
6 Siberian 9.71
7 East_Asian 5.82
8 Southeast_Asian 1.95
9 South_Asian 1.89
10 Northwest_African 0.17

[Hudayar]

Eastern Turkish results really depends on the person


here's a Turk from Gümüşhane
# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 34.06
2 Gedrosia 14.47
3 Atlantic_Med 12.9
4 North_European 9.94
5 Southwest_Asian 9.09
6 Siberian 9.71
7 East_Asian 5.82
8 Southeast_Asian 1.95
9 South_Asian 1.89
10 Northwest_African 0.17

Also samples from Erzurum are mostly from İspir (Northern Erzurum) so they score no mongoloid.

[ButlerKing]

Nogais would have less variations than Anatolian-Turks because their population is much much smaller. But they're a fringe group from the Caucasus so it's reasonable for there to have been a small sample size as well. I don't know enough about the issue to say for sure, but I think your theory is more probable. I'm surprised no one on Anthrogenica knew the reason why (I searched up that thread there).

Here are the distribution of Nogais living Caucasus. I personally don't understand it myself but I still believe there's genetic variation.

http://altaic-wiki.wikispaces.com/file/view/Caucasus-ethnic_nogai.png/84845493/390x311/Caucasus-ethnic_nogai.png

[Hudayar]

Nogais would have less variations than Anatolian-Turks because their population is much much smaller. But they're a fringe group from the Caucasus so it's reasonable for there to have been a small sample size as well. I don't know enough about the issue to say for sure, but I think your theory is more probable. I'm surprised no one on Anthrogenica knew the reason why (I searched up that thread there).

Small population=/=small genetic variation


Best example is Turkmenistan. Turkmen mongoloid dna varies from 15% to 40% there. Not even talking about Afghanistan Turkmens .

[Mingle]

Small population=/=small genetic variation


Best example is Turkmenistan. Turkmen mongoloid dna varies from 15% to 40% there. Not even talking about Afghanistan Turkmens .

It isn't necessarily true, but it usually is. So I was just speculating there.

Also, Turkmenistan is a huge country so obviously it would have a lot of genetic variation. I forgot to mention that.

[Hudayar]

It isn't necessarily true, but it usually is. So I was just speculating there.

Also, Turkmenistan is a huge country so obviously it would have a lot of genetic variation. I forgot to mention that.

there are like 5 million people in Turkmenistan it's not a huge country

[Mingle]

there are like 5 million people in Turkmenistan it's not a huge country

It is by landmass.

[Mingle]

That's not a proof.
It just says some people in Attila's court or some people from among his guests talked Latin or Gothic. That's just the people who were there.
The evidence is where Huns came from, the fact it's reported that they spoke an unknown language to Latins/Goths and finally the names of leading Hunnic elements.
And that's all Oğuric. Kinda like old Bulgar, modern Chuvash.

There is no discussion anymore about that.

Case closed.

The court are part of the elite. So it's not unreasonable to assume the elite could have been Gothic speaking especially when you consider most of their subjects were Goths. Why else would it be spoken in court?

It's not definite proof that Gothic was the lingua franca but there isn't definite proof it was Turkic either.

[ButlerKing]

Small population=/=small genetic variation


Best example is Turkmenistan. Turkmen mongoloid dna varies from 15% to 40% there. Not even talking about Afghanistan Turkmens .

What about the Turkmen in Merv and Gonur Depe, their Mongoloid admixture can be as high 57%

http://i46.tinypic.com/2nsqvbt.png



Turkmen from Merv/Turkmenistan. They even look like they have high Mongoloid admixtures.

http://www.turkotek.com/misc_00107/silk_files/PeterSandersMerv.jpg

[Böri]

Priscus was the only reliable eye witness at Attila's court.
Considering that in the western part of Hunnic empire the majority of the subject population was Germanic, the Germanic Goth language could be used even in high ranks.
But even in that case Priscus still says that Hunnic (Oğuric Turkic) was also used and mentions Hun language before Goth. The main language of Huns was Hun, not only according to deductive reasoning but also according to Priscus who was there.


The Huns, Rome and the Birth of Europe
By Hyun Jin Kim
p.30
https://i.hizliresim.com/DyZMkv.jpg

[Böri]

What about the Turkmen in Merv and Gonur Depe, their Mongoloid admixture can be as high 57%



Turkmen from Merv/Turkmenistan. They even look like they have high Mongoloid admixtures.



There is no Türkmen being 57% Mongoloid. Especially in Merv that’s impossible, what you share is BS. Bring gedmatch results and kit numbers if you wanna prove.

That said, you write in a way like it’s bad to be Mongoloid. Coming from an Indian like you this is funny.
Japan IQ 105
India IQ 82

I would prefer to be 50% North East Asian than 15% ASI/South Indian.:thumb001:
Again most of the Mongoloid in Turkmens is Siberian which is distinct East Asian type than even NE Asian.

[ButlerKing]

There is no Türkmen being 57% Mongoloid. Especially in Merv that’s impossible, what you share is BS. Bring gedmatch results and kit numbers if you wanna prove.

That said, you write in a way like it’s bad to be Mongoloid. Coming from an Indian like you this is funny.
Japan IQ 105
India IQ 82

I would prefer to be 50% North East Asian than 15% ASI/South Indian.:thumb001:
Again most of the Mongoloid in Turkmens is Siberian which is distinct East Asian type than even NE Asian.

Why is it impossible when there is the Tekke Turkmen who are Mongoloid as heck. I don't trust personal BS or gedmatch results of cherrypicked individuals. I rather trust a autosomal DNA chart anyday.

Sorry but I would even rather trust my eyes than your genetic results that produces loopholes

A Tekke Turkmen rug vendor in the Merv bazaar, circa 1918-

http://www.tcoletribalrugs.com/resources/InSearchofTurkmen/merbazaar1.jpg

Tekke Turmen

http://www.susanmeller.com/wp-content/uploads/CAMEL-TRAPPINF-photo-ATATSC-1091.png


From Merv

http://c8.alamy.com/comp/BCX03J/boys-riding-donkeys-at-the-ruins-of-merv-in-turkmenistan-BCX03J.jpg

[MustafaTekin]

Why is it impossible when there is the Tekke Turkmen who are Mongoloid as heck. I don't trust personal BS or gedmatch results of cherrypicked individuals. I rather trust a autosomal DNA chart anyday.

Sorry but I would even rather trust my eyes than your genetic results that produces loopholes

A Tekke Turkmen rug vendor in the Merv bazaar, circa 1918-

http://www.tcoletribalrugs.com/resources/InSearchofTurkmen/merbazaar1.jpg

Tekke Turmen

http://www.susanmeller.com/wp-content/uploads/CAMEL-TRAPPINF-photo-ATATSC-1091.png


From Merv

http://c8.alamy.com/comp/BCX03J/boys-riding-donkeys-at-the-ruins-of-merv-in-turkmenistan-BCX03J.jpg


Sorry but fuck your eyes then. They have clearly caucasian admixtures. Are you saying that these guys can pass in China, Korea, Japan etc?

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Priscus was the only reliable eye witness at Attila's court.
Considering that in the western part of Hunnic empire the majority of the subject population was Germanic, the Germanic Goth language could be used even in high ranks.
But even in that case Priscus still says that Hunnic (Oğuric Turkic) was also used and mentions Hun language before Goth. The main language of Huns was Hun, not only according to deductive reasoning but also according to Priscus who was there.


The Huns, Rome and the Birth of Europe
By Hyun Jin Kim
p.30
https://i.hizliresim.com/DyZMkv.jpg

I wonder how there are no any informations about Balto-Slavic predecessors in the cadre of Hunnic Empire.

[ButlerKing]

That said, you write in a way like it’s bad to be Mongoloid. Coming from an Indian like you this is funny.
Japan IQ 105
India IQ 82

I would prefer to be 50% North East Asian than 15% ASI/South Indian.:thumb001:
Again most of the Mongoloid in Turkmens is Siberian which is distinct East Asian type than even NE Asian.

Okay, ching chong ling long Turk.

Indian produces super human kids even smarter than Einstein. If Turks brain is the size of peanut than the size of North Indians is that of a Melon.

http://www.kvisalini.com/images/bright-people_348x264.jpg

[Gangrel]

http://c8.alamy.com/comp/BCX03J/boys-riding-donkeys-at-the-ruins-of-merv-in-turkmenistan-BCX03J.jpg

Not even a third mongoloid. Clean the shit out of your eyes Pajeet

[Böri]

Ching Chong or Chinese are predominantly South East Asian genetically in southern and central China. NE Asian becoming predominant only in Northern provinces of China like Manchuria and Inner Mongolia.

Hindustani who ‘blames’ people to be East Eurasian:)
3 kids in 1.2 billion so? India is still backward as fuck. 82 average IQ level and country poor as hell. People defecating in the open etc.

Nogay and Turkmen are like Ubermensch when compared to your people. They are like from another planet :)

Again anyone would prefer 50% NE Asian genes than 15-20% Indian.

Funny thing, considering your OWD and deep inferiority complex its like sure you’d kill to have 10% NEuro genes xD

[ButlerKing]

Sorry but fuck your eyes then. They have clearly caucasian admixtures. Are you saying that these guys can pass in China, Korea, Japan etc?

They clear have Caucasian admixtures but they are Mongoloid looking enough that I will treat them like one of them. What do you want me to say ? that if one of these Turkmen men bangs a German women and I'm suppose to imagine them as Turkish and not some East-Asian look alike ?

Lol Do you really consider these guys the same thing as Turkish ? I can tell you any of these Turkmen who marries/or have sex with a Turkish women would be considered interracial relationship. The average guy from America, Europe, South Asia would consider these guys at least Half Chinese.

[ButlerKing]

Ching Chong or Chinese are predominantly South East Asian genetically in southern and central China. Onl
Hindustani who ‘blames’ people to be East Eurasian:)
3 kids in 1.2 billion so? India is still backward as fuck. 82 average IQ level and country poor as hell. People defecating in the open etc.

Nogay and Turkmen are like Ubermensch when compared to you.

Again anyone would prefer 50% NE Asian genes than 15-20% Indian.

Funny thing, considering your OWD and deep inferiority complex its like sure you’d kill to have 10% NEuro genes xD


Don't know what you're talking about. Ching Chong is strictly Chinese not Southeast Asian and who care's if it's northern china or southern china, they all sound ching chong. Southeast Asians have 15-24% Indian Caucasoid and Negrito-Australoid blood with exception of Vietnamese.

50% NE is still related with Ching Chong, don't think for a second that makes you any different. Just like West African DNA is treated differently from South African but they are still Nigger types DNA.

India is a superpower country, Turkey is not. There's no comparing. Even Pakistan will destroy your Turkey with ease. Yes, Turks were strong back than but now you're nothing compared to South Asia. A war between South Asia vs Central Asia + Turkey would be the demise of Turks.

[Böri]

India is 10 times the population of Japan and 25 times that of South Korea but in power, living standard, civilisation level India is 10 times more backward than each. India is the worst place on Earth after SS Africa in terms of quality.
You cant compare your backward country with North Asians.
India is closer to Congo than to Japan by many aspects.

[ButlerKing]

India is 10 times the population of Japan and 25 times that of South Korea but in power, living standard, civilisation level India is 10 times more backward than each. India is the worst place on Earth after SS Africa in terms of quality.
You cant compare your backward country with North Asians.
India is closer to Congo than to Japan by many aspects.

Open your eyes. India is richer than Japan but I guess Turks are too ignorant to understand.

http://i63.tinypic.com/e7i3op.jpg

[MustafaTekin]

Open your eyes. India is richer than Japan but I guess Turks are too ignorant to understand.

http://i63.tinypic.com/e7i3op.jpg

Dear streetshitter. India has 15x bigger population then Japan. Japanese are working 40h for 5000$ while you pajeets working 80h for 30$.

[ButlerKing]

Dear streetshitter. India has 15x bigger population then Japan. Japanese are working 40h for 5000$ while you pajeets working 80h for 30$.

I'm not here to compare with Japan so stop derailing this thread. India is a world player, Turkey is not.

[ButlerKing]

Not even a third mongoloid. Clean the shit out of your eyes Pajeet


You say not even a third mongoloid. They can easily pass for a Filipino looking guy with Spanish ancestry.

Now tell me what you think of this

50% Vietnamese, 50% German ( by your logic they aren't no half Mongoloid either )

http://bilder.t-online.de/b/74/71/58/26/id_74715826/610/tid_da/marcel-nguyen-muss-nach-einem-verkehrsunfall-mit-dem-training-pausieren-.jpg


Even Half Indians/ Half Chinese look more Caucasian than your Turkmen let alone pure Indian.

https://chine.in/usb/images/upload/Michelle%20Saram%20002.jpg

[ButlerKing]

Nobody gives a fuck about your ancient pseudo science. You are part australoid, live up to it

I'll explain to you since your too stupid to understand ( I explained it to so many stupid people, it's frustrating )

It' no surprise that Eickstedt placed Veddoids among the 'old-Europid race' ?

I'll make it easy for you


Here are Veddoid albino ( the crap you called Australoid )

http://s3.amazonaws.com/medias.photodeck.com/358685dd-aee4-41b3-aa61-4a7cf51d2697/Brett-Cole-India-06077_medium.jpg
https://s16.postimg.org/5ahjf3vdh/albino-indian-europans.jpg


Here are Mongoloid albino ( the crap that you Turks are partially related with )

https://memegenerator.net/img/images/600x600/14652989/albino-asian.jpg
http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Images_China/Chinese_albino_a.jpg


Here is African albino


http://files.sharenator.com/6_Albino_africans-s350x437-1376.jpg
https://imagens.mdig.com.br/gente/07_alb_17127.jpg

No matter what your dumbass brain may think. The closest morphology to Caucasoid is Veddoid. That's why South Asians today are mix of light skinned Caucasoid and black skinned proto-Caucasoid but the problem with you dumbass you judge by their superficial features such as dark skin and appearance

[Gangrel]

waaah

None of them look caucasoid and all would stand out. OWD curry fucker

This girl can only pass as a mutated albino gypsy in Europe

http://s3.amazonaws.com/medias.photodeck.com/358685dd-aee4-41b3-aa61-4a7cf51d2697/Brett-Cole-India-06077_medium.jpg

[Smeagol]

None of them look caucasoid and all would stand out. OWD curry fucker

Except girl on the right here because she's an albino European falsely labeled by ButlerKing as albino Indian
https://s16.postimg.org/5ahjf3vdh/albino-indian-europans.jpg

[ButlerKing]

None of them look caucasoid and all would stand out. OWD curry fucker

This girl can only pass as a mutated albino gypsy in Europe

http://s3.amazonaws.com/medias.photodeck.com/358685dd-aee4-41b3-aa61-4a7cf51d2697/Brett-Cole-India-06077_medium.jpg

That's just what I expected from amateurs. All albino's will stand out you slant eye but the thing is it's almost impossible to distinguish a Veddoid albino with a European albino.

Europeans have origins from India. The first Caucasoid race look like proto-Caucasoid veddoids, a proven fact. If you hate Indians so much than you're actually spitting on your ancient ancestors. Skulls of ancient Europe showed Veddoid-like morpholigies


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjBlZl8RON8



You properly think girl who's the mother of two pure Indian parents can only pass as gypsy. DUMBASS.

http://mediad.publicbroadcasting.net/p/kuow/files/styles/x_large/public/201604/20160402_172155__2__0.jpg

[Gangrel]

Except girl on the right here because she's an albino European falsely labeled by ButlerKing as albino Indian
https://s16.postimg.org/5ahjf3vdh/albino-indian-europans.jpg

half of his comments are lies. not really surprising to be honest

[ButlerKing]

Except girl on the right here because she's an albino European falsely labeled by ButlerKing as albino Indian
https://s16.postimg.org/5ahjf3vdh/albino-indian-europans.jpg


Here is what the link says "albino-indian-europans "

Their hairstyle are typical of young Indian teen school girls and even if she's not Indian she looks very typical of Indian albino. Anyway do you have evidence that isn't Indian ?

[Gangrel]

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Disabled shitskin, you seem to be under the impression that Turks are not proud of their mongoloid heritage, when in reality it is the exact opposite. We embrace it all, maybe if you actually read some posts by Turks you would realise this. Thing is, 95% of the time Indians are still less caucasoid than Turks from Anatolia, and it hurts your OWD heart to know that. Not only the ASI in Indians but also the Mongoloid (particularly South East Asian) that a lot of them carry (which you seem to ignore for some reason), renders them less Caucasoid than Turks. Cry me a river LOL

Talking about albino Indians

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/03/07/article-2111298-120DAD79000005DC-35_634x642.jpg

They can not pass in Europe, not even as Gypsys you OWD mouth breather.

[Gangrel]

Here is what the link says "albino-indian-europans "

Their hairstyle are typical of young Indian teen school girls and even if she's not Indian she looks very typical of Indian albino. Anyway do you have evidence that isn't Indian ?

So pathetic to be accepted by people who think nothing of you that you resort to lying LOL

[ButlerKing]

Disabled shitskin, you seem to be under the impression that Turks are not proud of their mongoloid heritage, when in reality it is the exact opposite. We embrace it all, maybe if you actually read some posts by Turks you would realise this. Thing is, 95% of the time Indians are still less caucasoid than Turks from Anatolia, and it hurts your OWD heart to know that. Not only the ASI in Indians but also the Mongoloid (particularly South East Asian) that a lot of them carry (which you seem to ignore for some reason), renders them less Caucasoid than Turks. Cry me a river LOL

Talking about albino Indians

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/03/07/article-2111298-120DAD79000005DC-35_634x642.jpg

They can not pass in Europe, not even as Gypsys you OWD mouth breather.

Keep denying :rolleyes: your effected deep down. Your the last people on earth to claim to be pure Caucasoid and now you must take insults from all others just like your people did to others. You lack the qualification to do so anyway.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIOAhLeZ2zI


I don't know how many stupid members have already spreaded this crap about South Asians being part Australoid, I can understand if a dumb European or Persian want to talk shit but a Arab, a North African, a Turkish mongoloid admixed Turks or the Finns with Mongoloid Y-DNA ancestry is not qualified to talk shit. KNOW YOUR PLACE IF YOU WANT RESPECT.

The thing is South Asians are more Caucasoid than Turks but the problem lies of the fact that modern day Indians are mixture of Caucasoid + Proto-Caucasoid. The problem is proto-Caucasoid is ancient archaic Caucasoid people The original Caucasoid were very dark skinned, just like the first migrants from Africa had dark skin.

The picture of your doesn't do them justice, their eyes are closed too much which makes them look weird. The old man in the picture who is the highest member of his family looked like this.

http://img.izismile.com/img/img5/20120315/640/the_largest_albino_family_in_the_world_640_18.jpg

[Gangrel]

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he still says 'proto-caucasoid' :rofl:

there is no such thing you lying retard

[Gangrel]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ozINBCJWWwE/TccZUwFIMiI/AAAAAAAADrc/VMIRZtTfLEI/s1600/_4.png

'onge are proto caucasoid'

https://i0.wp.com/www.survival-international.org/lib/img/gallery/Image_Galleries/jarawa/800x600/JARAWA30_medium.jpg

:rofl:

[ButlerKing]

he still says 'proto-caucasoid' :rofl:

there is no such thing you lying retard

Here is proto-European Kostenki. He is a Veddoid ( although to be fair he does show some extreme Australoid like-morphologies which are also found in some tribes of India but generally Veddoid )

http://donsmaps.com/images31/img_3545kostenkivlad.jpg

Although he does show some extreme features it's sitll more Veddoid than Australoid

[Gangrel]

Here is proto-European Kostenki. He is a Veddoid ( although to be fair he does show some extreme Australoid like-morphologies which are also found in some tribes of India but generally Veddoid )

http://donsmaps.com/images31/img_3545kostenkivlad.jpg

Although he does show some extreme features it's sitll more Veddoid than Australoid

And he does not look caucasoid. get some glasses

[ButlerKing]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ozINBCJWWwE/TccZUwFIMiI/AAAAAAAADrc/VMIRZtTfLEI/s1600/_4.png

'onge are proto caucasoid'

https://i0.wp.com/www.survival-international.org/lib/img/gallery/Image_Galleries/jarawa/800x600/JARAWA30_medium.jpg

:rofl:

No. Onge is just a stupid proxy for all dark skinned races of Asia..... they have nothing to do with eachother.
That's why I sometimes dislike these stupid dumb labels because they confuse stupid people who have idea what they are talking about.

I'm sick and tired of explaining the same thing. I wish can make a damn youtube video and explain everything, problem is I don't know how to make one and don't have a speaker.





Australoid is stupid term to refer to all dark skinned indegenious people of southern parts of Asia from Arabia to Southeast Asia even though they all have different skull shapes.


One can easily distinguist ASI phenotypes with ONGE phenotypes easily


Let's look at this DNA chart again. Europe in this chart is also wrongly labeled as Europeans but at least they sorted the out the ASI and ONGE

Europe (Pink) = West Eurasian admixture. Europeans, West Asian, Southwest Asian
South Asia ( Green ) = South Asian population or indigenous ASI
Onge ( Blue ) = Onge/Great Adamanese related DNA


South Asian population are mixture of West Asian and ASI population.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/files/2013/10/roma2.png



Pure Onge phenotypes such as the Jirawa in it's pure form 100% ONGE

http://assets.survivalinternational.org/static/lib/img/gallery/Image_Galleries/jarawa/800x600/JARAWA30_medium.jpg?w=240
http://www.aljazeera.com/mritems/Images/2014/5/8/2014581218828734_20.jpg



Great Adamanese Phenotypes , mixture of Onge and South Asian ( personally I don't understand how Indians can mix with such ugly little 4'6 feet tall dwarfs but anyway they did )

Great Adamanese are only mix of 41-65% Onge DNA with the rest being mostly South Asian 35-68%, and also West Eurasian mostly 0% (with exception of minority with 1-8%)

Although their Onge phenotypes are dominant you can see they have more hair and somewhat more Caucasoid-like facial structure than a pure Onge. A few of them can even pass as South Asian. The ASI admixture made them distinguishable.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/07/25/23/369680EE00000578-3707766-image-a-2_1469485465365.jpg


These ones look predominant Onge but still distinguishable from the pure ones. More growth of hair and more prominent nose compare with the wide noses of Onge.

https://assets.survivalinternational.org/pictures/522/boa-sr-chachi-2005_screen.jpg
https://rapidiq.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/from-left-to-right-neremo-and-his-father-late-nao-junior_2006.jpg

[MagnusAurelius]

Obsessed Butler won't give up. Individual results are far better than a admixture analysis.

https://i.imgur.com/kQNnx6o.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/EqNWxmT.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/QQ0NS3i.jpg

East Asian Admixture is concealed with Steppe populations here, would be difficult to determine how much Mongoloid is in them but other Calculators can be used for that anyway.


http://racialreality.blogspot.ca/2013/12/global-admixture-analysis-at-k6.html Butler once said the purple here was ASI, another lie.

K6 on here had similar results.

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/suppl/2014/04/02/001552.DC3/001552-1.pdf

[ButlerKing]

And he does not look caucasoid. get some glasses

Well duh, he looks proto-Caucasoid. Proto-Caucasoid and modern Caucasoid had some differences. It's true that proto-Caucasoid have some external traits that would be mistaken as pseudo-Australoid due to broader noses and sometimes slightly thicker lips but the overall head structure is that of a Caucasoid.

[ButlerKing]

Obsessed Butler won't give up. Individual results are far better than a admixture analysis.

https://i.imgur.com/kQNnx6o.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/EqNWxmT.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/QQ0NS3i.jpg

East Asian Admixture is concealed with Steppe populations here, would be difficult to determine how much Mongoloid is in them but other Calculators can be used for that anyway.


http://racialreality.blogspot.ca/2013/12/global-admixture-analysis-at-k6.html Butler once said the purple here was ASI, another lie.

K6 on here had similar results.

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/suppl/2014/04/02/001552.DC3/001552-1.pdf

What is this Southeast Eurasian cluster ? a new cluster some idiot made up? Did they included Veddoid with Onge again ? Keywords: possibly, somewhat.

It says believed to be somewhat similar ( what do you mean by somewhat similar to ) Onge, Jarawal tribal, SE Asians? Do they mean as in only 10-30% or 1-10% similar/related ???? if it's only somewhat similar than it can also be interpreted that among the 27.14% SE Eurasian admixtures found in Punjabi, only around roughly 1-3% or 5-8% are related at most. They also mention that it's relationship it's only a possibility not an actual fact like you had exaggerated it to be.

You're either similar or not similar and all they said was "somewhat similar" which means they are not even 50% related but way below it. It can only be interpreted to either as little similar to some degree similar, no more than that.

What is the definition of " somewhat "

* to a moderate extent or by a moderate amount;

* synonyms: a little, a bit, a little bit, to a limited extent/degree, to a certain degree, to some extent, to some degree, (up) to a point, in some measure, rather, quite, within limits.

[MagnusAurelius]

What is this Southeast Eurasian cluster ? a new cluster some idiot made up? Did they included Veddoid with Onge again ? Keywords: possibly, somewhat.

It says believed to be somewhat similar ( what do you mean by somewhat similar to ) Onge, Jarawal tribal, SE Asians? Do they mean as in only 10-30% or 1-10% similar/related ???? if it's only somewhat similar than it can also be interpreted that among the 27.14% SE Eurasian admixtures found in Punjabi, only around roughly 1-3% or 5-8% are related at most. They also mention that it's relationship it's only a possibility not an actual fact like you had exaggerated it to be.

You're either similar or not similar and all they said was "somewhat similar" which means they are not even 50% related but way below it. It can only be interpreted to either as little similar to some degree similar, no more than that.

What is the definition of " somewhat "

* to a moderate extent or by a moderate amount;

* synonyms: a little, a bit, a little bit, to a limited extent/degree, to a certain degree, to some extent, to some degree, (up) to a point, in some measure, rather, quite, within limits.

I don't know why you respond to me like I am mentally disabled when it is obvious you are. Keywords: Jarawan Tribals aka ONGE so there was really no need to ask me such a common sense question. Butler tries to have a patronizing sense of superiority on this forum but he continually makes himself look stupid because he is insecure that South Asians are so mixed which leads to his bias, he is not objective.

Population references from all of those groups were used so it isn't made up. Of course it was somewhat similar, Australoids are indigenous to South Asia, the South Indian tribal populations are a mix of Mongoloids, Australoids and Onge. The invading Dravidian Caucasoids mixed with these people and the Vedic Invaders mixed with them afterwards.

[ButlerKing]

I don't know why you respond to me like I am mentally disabled when it is obvious you are. Keywords: Jarawan Tribals aka ONGE so there was really no need to ask me such a common sense question. Butler tries to have a patronizing sense of superiority on this forum but he continually makes himself look stupid because he is insecure that South Asians are so mixed which leads to his bias, he is not objective.

Population references from all of those groups were used so it isn't made up. Of course it was somewhat similar, Australoids are indigenous to South Asia, the South Indian tribal populations are a mix of Mongoloids, Australoids and Onge. The invading Dravidian Caucasoids mixed with these people and the Vedic Invaders mixed with them afterwards.


Dravidians aka Veddoid Caucasoids. There's no such thing as Australoid in India, I do admit there people with psuedo-Australoid traits in India but is only a few isolated tribes. A lot of people including myself used to think South India was Australoid but it's not. Veddoid is proto-Europoid they have different skull type from the rest of the Australoid groups that wrongly labeled Onge genetically when the only thing they have in common are being an ancient proto-population.

You have no info to back up your rubbish unfounded theory.

You keep saying " DRAVIDIAN CAUCASOIDS " yes we all know the dravidians are Caucasoid but I hope you get this clear in your head before you keep making more assumptions and misunderstandings.

1) They were Caucasoids that looked nothing like Europeans, Middle easterners but like modern day Southern Indians/Central Indians

2) Modern day Dravidian speakers are all Caucasoids-Veddoids like ancient Dravidians Caucasoid aka Veddoids Caucasoids.


The ancient population of Middle east, Central Asia already had a veddoid-Caucasoid population before the Semetic, West Asian farmers, Indo-European speaking migrants moved in.


I SUGGEST YOU READ THIS VERY CAREFULLY

The Visva-bharati Quarterly, Volume 33

https://books.google.co.uk/books/content?id=b35DAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&img=1&zoom=1&imgtk=AFLRE73OnKOrn8v7jwP0V2Em19-cTOaSCxescr4ci4veeziUgxKKffBj26HS_xxNZbU0TXISbA8p2 MqEHUXJTCbLvVWj0sBt9ylMBR12FNBqpxn9rzwf5Nw

"Earliest Iranian Inhabitants were early caucasoids, who probably resembled some of the marginal caucasoids of Asia like the Veddas and Dravidians, more than they did the more sturdily built living central Europeans."


The Balangodese of Ceylon: Their Biological and Cultural Affinities with the Vedda, Volume 1

https://books.google.co.uk/books/content?id=_2BKAQAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&img=1&zoom=1&imgtk=AFLRE72RGoeFkqu_adZIGSCG1kUjH0UFJyaPtRfQb82Y 3DS0A4m87gM-Ewd4GjexozN39Bup9UsDAKykyOn_LATxA3pJedT_vsppJgs6xc 7_-YgFDuIXpi-aFR1u0EJSVAydapkFeX3M


"Their Biological and Cultural Affinities with the Vedda Kenneth A. R. Kennedy. In Biasutti's (1951, Vol. ... 173) classifies the Vedda and other "anomalous tribes" of the subcontinent as one sub-group of the Caucasian Race. Bertin (1889) "


Do you understand now ? Veddas are classified as sub-group of Caucasian race and ancient Iran were more similar to Dravidian Caucasoids aka Veddoid-Caucasoids

[MagnusAurelius]

Dravidians aka Veddoid Caucasoids. There's no such thing as Australoid in India, I do admit there people with psuedo-Australoid traits in India but is only a few isolated tribes. A lot of people including myself used to think South India was Australoid but it's not. Veddoid is proto-Europoid they have different skull type from the rest of the Australoid groups that wrongly labeled Onge genetically when the only thing they have in common are being an ancient proto-population.

You have no info to back up your rubbish unfounded theory.

You keep saying " DRAVIDIAN CAUCASOIDS " yes we all know the dravidians are Caucasoid but I hope you get this clear in your head before you keep making more assumptions and misunderstandings.

1) They were Caucasoids that looked nothing like Europeans, Middle easterners but like modern day Southern Indians/Central Indians

2) Modern day Dravidian speakers are all Caucasoids-Veddoids like ancient Dravidians Caucasoid aka Veddoids Caucasoids.


The ancient population of Middle east, Central Asia already had a veddoid-Caucasoid population before the Semetic, West Asian farmers, Indo-European speaking migrants moved in.


I SUGGEST YOU READ THIS VERY CAREFULLY

The Visva-bharati Quarterly, Volume 33

https://books.google.co.uk/books/content?id=b35DAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&img=1&zoom=1&imgtk=AFLRE73OnKOrn8v7jwP0V2Em19-cTOaSCxescr4ci4veeziUgxKKffBj26HS_xxNZbU0TXISbA8p2 MqEHUXJTCbLvVWj0sBt9ylMBR12FNBqpxn9rzwf5Nw

"Earliest Iranian Inhabitants were early caucasoids, who probably resembled some of the marginal caucasoids of Asia like the Veddas and Dravidians, more than they did the more sturdily built living central Europeans."


The Balangodese of Ceylon: Their Biological and Cultural Affinities with the Vedda, Volume 1

https://books.google.co.uk/books/content?id=_2BKAQAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&img=1&zoom=1&imgtk=AFLRE72RGoeFkqu_adZIGSCG1kUjH0UFJyaPtRfQb82Y 3DS0A4m87gM-Ewd4GjexozN39Bup9UsDAKykyOn_LATxA3pJedT_vsppJgs6xc 7_-YgFDuIXpi-aFR1u0EJSVAydapkFeX3M


"Their Biological and Cultural Affinities with the Vedda Kenneth A. R. Kennedy. In Biasutti's (1951, Vol. ... 173) classifies the Vedda and other "anomalous tribes" of the subcontinent as one sub-group of the Caucasian Race. Bertin (1889) "


Do you understand now ? Veddas are classified as sub-group of Caucasian race and ancient Iran were more similar to Dravidian Caucasoids aka Veddoid-Caucasoids


You are making assumptions, I am not reading this because I agree with most of it. Every single scheduled tribe in India is not Caucasoid, the Vedda themselves are most likely remnants from the Harappan Civilization. Many of them have Caucasoid facial features but some of them don't, they are obviously mixed. This tribe is in Sri Lanka and doesn't represent the Adivasi population. The ancient K12 admixture calculator is great for South Asians, they didn't use the Vedda for the reference. It should have been more specific though, the best tribal references to use would be the Munda, type "Munda people" on google images.

http://www.australiangeographic.com.au/news/2013/01/aboriginal-genes-suggest-indian-migration/
Aboriginal genes suggest Indian migration

This is the indigenous Non-Caucasoid population of India.

http://www.savingiceland.org/wp-content/gallery/india/democracy-at-work-primitive-tribe-group-dongria-kondhs-protesting-against-a-mining-project.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/8/7524/16089347058_d40d834814_b.jpg


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-lCSzj8OWlro/VEjXKTI97aI/AAAAAAAAADw/DqyGaCp9t9w/s1600/TH27_NIYAMGIRI_HIL_1531724f.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/Lqhidb0.jpg

Some South Indian Tribals resemble Caucasoids because they are a mixed population even though none of the South Indian tribals I posted here resemble Caucasoids.

[Fractal]

Dravidians aka Veddoid Caucasoids. There's no such thing as Australoid in India, I do admit there people with psuedo-Australoid traits in India but is only a few isolated tribes. A lot of people including myself used to think South India was Australoid but it's not. Veddoid is proto-Europoid they have different skull type from the rest of the Australoid groups that wrongly labeled Onge genetically when the only thing they have in common are being an ancient proto-population.

You have no info to back up your rubbish unfounded theory.

You keep saying " DRAVIDIAN CAUCASOIDS " yes we all know the dravidians are Caucasoid but I hope you get this clear in your head before you keep making more assumptions and misunderstandings.

1) They were Caucasoids that looked nothing like Europeans, Middle easterners but like modern day Southern Indians/Central Indians

2) Modern day Dravidian speakers are all Caucasoids-Veddoids like ancient Dravidians Caucasoid aka Veddoids Caucasoids.


The ancient population of Middle east, Central Asia already had a veddoid-Caucasoid population before the Semetic, West Asian farmers, Indo-European speaking migrants moved in.


I SUGGEST YOU READ THIS VERY CAREFULLY

The Visva-bharati Quarterly, Volume 33

https://books.google.co.uk/books/content?id=b35DAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&img=1&zoom=1&imgtk=AFLRE73OnKOrn8v7jwP0V2Em19-cTOaSCxescr4ci4veeziUgxKKffBj26HS_xxNZbU0TXISbA8p2 MqEHUXJTCbLvVWj0sBt9ylMBR12FNBqpxn9rzwf5Nw

"Earliest Iranian Inhabitants were early caucasoids, who probably resembled some of the marginal caucasoids of Asia like the Veddas and Dravidians, more than they did the more sturdily built living central Europeans."


The Balangodese of Ceylon: Their Biological and Cultural Affinities with the Vedda, Volume 1

https://books.google.co.uk/books/content?id=_2BKAQAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&img=1&zoom=1&imgtk=AFLRE72RGoeFkqu_adZIGSCG1kUjH0UFJyaPtRfQb82Y 3DS0A4m87gM-Ewd4GjexozN39Bup9UsDAKykyOn_LATxA3pJedT_vsppJgs6xc 7_-YgFDuIXpi-aFR1u0EJSVAydapkFeX3M


"Their Biological and Cultural Affinities with the Vedda Kenneth A. R. Kennedy. In Biasutti's (1951, Vol. ... 173) classifies the Vedda and other "anomalous tribes" of the subcontinent as one sub-group of the Caucasian Race. Bertin (1889) "


Do you understand now ? Veddas are classified as sub-group of Caucasian race and ancient Iran were more similar to Dravidian Caucasoids aka Veddoid-Caucasoids

Agreed. .

He lives in Brampton, so I'm well aware of his inferiority complexes. Most Indians here in the USA and Canada look down on the likes of him. And their males (including MENAs, Latino spics) always eyeball the females that are hanging out with us - even more disgusting.

Trust me, don't even bother with him. Ignore the bastard.

[Komintasavalta]

Based on this SmartPCA run of samples in the 1240K+HO dataset, the Nogai samples from Astrakhan and Stravopol are more Mongoloid on average than the Bashkir samples. Nogais from the Nogay district of Karachay-Cherkessia are intermediate between other Nogays and Caucasians.

Astrakhan is located between Kalmykia and Kazakhstan near the Caspian coast. Stavropol is called "the gates of Caucasus" because it is located between Ciscaucasia and the North Caucasus. The Nogay district of Karachay-Cherkessia is located in the northern part of North Caucasus about 70 km south of Stavropol.

https://i.ibb.co/SQP4XZr/pc1.png
https://i.ibb.co/yfKMXjj/pc3.png
https://i.ibb.co/Jqm0bRY/pc5.png

On G25, Nogais also plot further east than Bashkirs. This plot displays the original unscaled G25 coordinates, so it's not a secondary PCA:

https://i.ibb.co/6rSsmTf/pc2.png

G25 doesn't contain the samples from Karachay-Cherkessia, but it contains the same samples from Astrakhan and Stavropol as 1240K+HO.

$ curl 'drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1HYrDwxEXv82DvDLoq736pS5ZTGJA4dn5' -Lso g25modernindividuals
$ curl -LsO reichdata.hms.harvard.edu/pub/datasets/amh_repo/curated_releases/V44/V44.3/SHARE/public.dir/v44.3_HO_public.anno
$ grep Nogai g25modernindividuals|cut -d, -f1
Nogai:NOG-125
Nogai:NOG-127
Nogai:NOG-129
Nogai:NOG-130
Nogai:NOG-133
Nogai:NOG-15
Nogai:NOG-17
Nogai:NOG-18
Nogai:NOG-19
Nogai:NOG-21
Nogai:NOG-217
Nogai:NOG-220
Nogai:NOG-224
Nogai:NOG-263
Nogai:NOG-357
Nogai:NOG-42
$ grep Nogai g25modernindividuals|cut -d: -f2|cut -d, -f1|awk -F\\t -v OFS=, 'NR==FNR{a[$0];next}FNR==1||$3 in a{print$2,$8,$4,$11,$12}' - v44.3_HO_public.anno
Version ID,Group Label,Publication (or OK to use in a paper),Lat.,Long.
NOG-15,Nogai_Astrakhan,JeongNatureEcologyEvolution2019 ,46.2,48.01
NOG-17,Nogai_Astrakhan,JeongNatureEcologyEvolution2019 ,46.2,48.01
NOG-18,Nogai_Astrakhan,JeongNatureEcologyEvolution2019 ,46.2,48.01
NOG-19,Nogai_Astrakhan,JeongNatureEcologyEvolution2019 ,46.2,48.01
NOG-21,Nogai_Astrakhan,JeongNatureEcologyEvolution2019 ,46.2,48.01
NOG-42,Nogai_Astrakhan,JeongNatureEcologyEvolution2019 ,46.2,48.01
NOG-125,Nogai_Stavropol,JeongNatureEcologyEvolution201 9,44.4,41.5
NOG-127,Nogai_Stavropol,JeongNatureEcologyEvolution201 9,44.4,41.5
NOG-129,Nogai_Stavropol,JeongNatureEcologyEvolution201 9,44.4,41.5
NOG-130,Nogai_Stavropol,JeongNatureEcologyEvolution201 9,44.4,41.5
NOG-133,Nogai_Stavropol,JeongNatureEcologyEvolution201 9,44.4,41.5
NOG-217,Nogai_Stavropol,JeongNatureEcologyEvolution201 9,44.4,41.5
NOG-220,Nogai_Stavropol,JeongNatureEcologyEvolution201 9,44.4,41.5
NOG-224,Nogai_Stavropol,JeongNatureEcologyEvolution201 9,44.4,41.5
NOG-263,Nogai_Stavropol,JeongNatureEcologyEvolution201 9,44.4,41.5
NOG-357,Nogai_Stavropol,JeongNatureEcologyEvolution201 9,44.4,41.5

[CrinjaNinja]

In reality, Nogais are genetically closer to Central European subgroups (such as Hungarians, Czechs, Slovaks, etc.) than any other Turkic subgroups, which on average typically have more Mongoloid admixture than (modern) Nogais do, which are obviously way more "Caucasian" (I'm using this term for BOTH the racial sense and the geographical sense, since they the Nogai tribes already come from the Caucasus, unironically speaking) in West-Eurasian DNA. It also works like this in a similar way ethnic Hungarians were not direct descendants of Turks, not always because every individual of them look so Mongoloid.

Just a reminder, phenotypes and physical traits don't always show enough well to genetics, and linguistically speaking, mother-tongues, though they may still in fact be related with each other.

If I could recall correctly, this would mostly likely be one reason that they evolved through the process of borealization which gives them such dependent traits such as stronger epicanthic folds and/or slanting eyes. Therefore, Nogais would have 90-100% West-Eurasian (Caucasoid) DNA, leaving only 5-10% East-Eurasian ("the so-called Mongoloid") DNA, according to several genetic studies.