What is the origin of N1c in the Baltic States?

[Veslan]

N1c was brought by late newcomers to Europe - racially Mongoloid Finno-Ugrians, and we have no samples of it before the metal ages. But how did it enter the Balic States, or more specifically Lithuania and Old Prussia? I understand Latvia, because they had Livonian influence, and Estonia does not even need a comment, but as much as we know there were no Finnic peoples on the Lithuanian and Prussian territory.

Wast it brought by:
1. Finnic slaves sold to the Baltic tribes by the Russian Slavs or Varangians?
2. Invading Finnic Livonians raping Baltic women?
3. Some unknown ancient Finnic immigration to this territory?
4. Or perhaps, the Balts are actually newcomers to the land (from Belarus?), and Finnic peoples genocided the most of native Cordeds like in Finland, just to get later assimilated by the Balts?

[Rethel]

Ugrofinian + founder effect.

[Veslan]

Ugrofinian + founder effect.

I know, but what kind of Ugrofinian? Where did these Finno-Ugrians come from, when, and how?

[Vlatko Vukovic]

What about Estonians? Maybe they are reason of spreading N1c.

[Veslan]

What about Estonians? Maybe they are reason of spreading N1c.

Their close, more southern cousins Livonians would be a better guess I think. Nowadays they are close to extinction, but before Northern Crusades there were quite big and covered all what is now South Estonia and Northern Latvia.

[Ülev]

What about Estonians? Maybe they are reason of spreading N1c.

no man, they came on meteorite
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaali_crater

[Rethel]

I know, but what kind of Ugrofinian? Where did these Finno-Ugrians come from, when, and how?

It doesn;t matter, as Baltic N comes from one guy who lived 2000+ years ago.

And all Ugrofinians came from pra-Ugrofinia anyway, so what's the point?

[Veslan]

It doesn;t matter, as Baltic N comes from one guy who lived 2000+ years ago.

And all Ugrofinians came from pra-Ugrofinia anyway, so what's the point?

The point is how did they make Lithuania non-Indo-European, at least by the y-DNA, probably to some degree by race as well.

[Grab the Gauge]

Veslan you are the stupidest motherfucker on Earth, why are you so persistent about this subject? N1 isn't Mongoloid and isn't Non-Indo European. Fully Nordic Scythian Indo-European from Pazyryk who came back N1b:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pazyryk_culture


http://blurblogs2014.s3.amazonaws.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/04144902/flickr-8556044973-hd.jpg


N1 in Finns undoubtedly comes from Nordic Indo Europeans, it has nothing to do with Finno-Ugric "Mongoloids".r

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Veslan you are the stupidest motherfucker on Earth, why are you so persistent about this subject? N1 isn't Mongoloid and isn't Non-Indo European. Fully Nordic Scythian Indo-European from Pazyryk who came back N1b:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pazyryk_culture


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-_a96ZFuWxi8/U6WmxD_zEzI/AAAAAAAAB0g/kwh3Rt1Az_8/s1600/Scythian_mummy_03.jpg


N1 in Finns undoubtedly comes from Nordic Scythian Indo Europeans, it has nothing to do Finno-Ugric "Mongoloids".

:picard2:

[Rethel]

The point is how did they make Lithuania non-Indo-European, at least by the y-DNA, probably to some degree by race as well.

By making many babies, especially in
the times of disease, war and hunger.
Btw, in the times of the last two, the
more peasant people, the more chances
of surrvival and multiplying further.

Such case had to be in Finland.

[Grab the Gauge]

:picard2:

Hey look it's the CUCK BOY from the I2 NEGRO TRIBE. Go fetch me some firewood you ugly faggot, LOL!!!

[Rethel]

Fully Nordic Scythian Indo-European from Pazyryk who came back N1b

Basing on such proofs, the whole alphabet is Indoeuropean. And what?

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Hey look it's the CUCK BOY from the I2 NEGRO TRIBE. Go fetch me some firewood you ugly faggot, LOL!!!

Your father is R1b steppe goatfucker. Just like you.

[Veslan]

Veslan you are the stupidest motherfucker on Earth, why are you so persistent about this subject? N1 isn't Mongoloid and isn't Non-Indo European. Fully Nordic Scythian Indo-European from Pazyryk who came back N1b:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pazyryk_culture


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-_a96ZFuWxi8/U6WmxD_zEzI/AAAAAAAAB0g/kwh3Rt1Az_8/s1600/Scythian_mummy_03.jpg


N1 in Finns undoubtedly comes from Nordic Indo Europeans, it has nothing to do with Finno-Ugric "Mongoloids".

:picard1:
Pazyryk Scythians also had R1a, and this mummy in particular had U4 European mtDNA.

[Grab the Gauge]

Basing on such proofs, the whole alphabet is Indoeuropean. And what?

No, see, N1b is not just Indo European, but racially Nordic. There is nothing Mongoloid about this man:


http://artinrussia.org/wp-content/uploads/IMG_0613.jpg


http://blurblogs2014.s3.amazonaws.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/04144902/flickr-8556044973-hd.jpg


He is more Caucasoid and better haired than most modern Europeans.

[Veslan]

By making many babies, especially in
the times of disease, war and hunger.
Btw, in the times of the last two, the
more peasant people, the more chances
of surrvival and multiplying further.

Such case had to be in Finland.

But how did they even got to Lithuania and Prussia? Through migration, slave trade, or simply raided and raped Baltic women?

[Vlatko Vukovic]

It's lunatic to believe that N1 were Nordic or Scythian. It can be claimed just from some fool like this goatfucker is.

Ottoman Seljuks were most influenced by N1. Are they Nordic Scythians from Pazyryk culture?

[Token]

Early Finno-Ugrians were not mongoloid but essentially Europid according to the measurements of several Finno-Ugric crania done by Debetz and Coon.

[Grab the Gauge]

It's lunatic to believe that N1 were Nordic or Scythian. It can be claimed just from some fool like this goatfucker is.

Ottoman Seljuks were most influenced by N1. Are they Nordic Scythians from Pazyryk culture?

Yes, and the Seljuks had R1a as well. Because they were whiter than your ghetto Negroid people and came from Indo Europeans, who were R1a and N1c, R1b, etc.

[Grab the Gauge]

But how did they even got to Lithuania and Prussia? Through migration, slave trade, or simply raided and raped Baltic women?

There is no record of this ever occuring, no evidence from the fossil record. N1 = blond, Nordic, Caucasoid, Indo-European.


Rapists don't teach language to their offspring.

[Rethel]

But how did they even got to Lithuania and Prussia? Through migration, slave trade, or simply raided and raped Baltic women?

By walking... one guy came... was he bought, came on his own, got lost
or was a alone inveder - who knows, who cares... He didn;t left a letter.
Or maybe just his reindeers got panic and galloped blindly onto Lithuania...

[Rethel]

Early Finno-Ugrians were not mongoloid but essentially Europid according to the measurements of several Finno-Ugric crania done by Debetz and Coon.

:picard2:

[Grab the Gauge]

By walking... one guy came... was he bought, came on his own, got lost
or was a alone inveder - who knows, who cares... He didn;t left a letter.
Or maybe just his reindeers got panic and galloped blindly onto Lithuania...

Where is the evidence, Rethel? Oh, right, there is none.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Yes, and the Seljuks had R1a as well. Because they were whiter than your ghetto Negroid people and came from Indo Europeans, who were R1a and N1c, R1b, etc.

Your IQ is like a temperature in your room.

They were not "white" but half-mongoloids.


and came from Indo Europeans, who were R1a and N1c, R1b

Yes. Their language (Altaic) confirms your theory. :picard1:

[Token]

:picard2:

:confused:

[Veslan]

Early Finno-Ugrians were not mongoloid but essentially Europid according to the measurements of several Finno-Ugric crania done by Debetz and Coon.

Define "Early Finno-Ugrians". Which archaelogical cultures?

[Grab the Gauge]

No, see, N1b is not just Indo European, but racially Nordic. There is nothing Mongoloid about this man:


http://artinrussia.org/wp-content/uploads/IMG_0613.jpg


http://blurblogs2014.s3.amazonaws.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/04144902/flickr-8556044973-hd.jpg


He is more Caucasoid and better haired than most modern Europeans.

Bumping from second page. You literally cannot cross a Mongoloid with a Caucasoid and end up with this. N1 = Caucasoid.

[Veslan]

Rapists don't teach language to their offspring.
And this is why Lithuania is still Indo-European speaking instead of asian Finno-Ugrian.

[Finnish Swede]

Waiting for that Harkonnen notice this thread...

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/74/69/04/746904f7980c366b5429131bea7a967a.jpg

[Rethel]

Where is the evidence, Rethel? Oh, right, there is none.

https://www.yfull.com/tree/N/


Rapists don't teach language to their offspring.

But husbands, who took a neighbour's daughter for wife do. Especially in times when
the half of the population is gone (men population) becasue of famine, was or disease.
Then a neighbouring reindeer herders are a good and maybe only opportunity to survive
for woman who sayed alone in the world - on the north in addition. Then, even noble ones,
and going to merry to peasant pastoralist camp nearby, just for survive.

[Grab the Gauge]

Your IQ is like a temperature in your room.

They were not "white" but half-mongoloids.


Show me a single half Mongoloid who is Nordic and red haired. Most look like this:

http://nwasianweekly.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/30_36/addison.JPG


Simple genetic principles rule this possibility out entirely.

[Veslan]

http://artinrussia.org/wp-content/uploads/IMG_0613.jpg


http://blurblogs2014.s3.amazonaws.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/04144902/flickr-8556044973-hd.jpg


He is more Caucasoid and better haired than most modern Europeans.

It's because he was probably R1a.

https://i.imgur.com/3mV8WTc.png

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Show me a single half Mongoloid who is Nordic and red haired. Most look like this:

http://nwasianweekly.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/30_36/addison.JPG


Simple genetic principles rule this possibility out entirely.

LOL

[Grab the Gauge]

https://www.yfull.com/tree/N/



But husbands, who took a neighbour's daughter for wife do. Especially in times when
the half of the population is gone (men population) becasue of famine, was or disease.
Then a neighbouring reindeer herders are a good and maybe only opportunity to survive
for woman who sayed alone in the world - on the north in addition. Then, even noble ones,
and going to merry to peasant pastoralist camp nearby, just for survive.

There is no evidence for N1 Mongoloids or movements of this sort anywhere in the North Asian-Eastern European fossil record.


On the other hand, the oldest N1 mummies are blond, red haired and Nordic And Indo-European. In Mongolia.

[Grab the Gauge]

Veslan that mummy was N1c, not R1a. From the Pazyryk barrow in Mongolia.

[Token]

Define "Early Finno-Ugrians". Which archaelogical cultures?

The skulls were found in the Polianki and Maklacheievka cemeteries belonging to the Anan'ino cultural horizon.

[Grab the Gauge]

LOL

What a useless faggot, you should be banned permanently from this website. I bet you are actually just some brown mixed kid who crawled over from Reddit. LMFAO!!!

[Rethel]

The skulls were found in the Polianki and Maklacheievka cemeteries belonging to the Anan'ino cultural horizon.

:picard1:

[Vlatko Vukovic]

What a useless faggot, you should be banned permanently from this website. I bet you are actually just some brown mixed kid who crawled over from Reddit. LMFAO!!!

No. You are just ridiculous with your lunatic theories. :D

[Token]

:picard1:

Are you mad because early Ugric speakers closely resembled your beloved Indo-Europeans? Do you want me to post the actual measurements and compare them with elite Scythians?

[Vlatko Vukovic]

N1 is purely Asian. Makes you wonder if Finns are actually white.
They may have mostly Europeans genetics but N1c1 seems to be an Asian haplogroup.

You should understand that genome-widely Finns have only few percents Asian genes, that is a scientific result. Balts have 40 % of N1c1, too. In reality N1c1 spread to Europe so slowly, that in every step westwards the gene pool was more and more European. Therefore the high frequency of N1c1 does not correlate with high proportion of Asian genes in the genome-wide level.

[Veslan]

The skulls were found in the Polianki and Maklacheievka cemeteries belonging to the Anan'ino cultural horizon.

These skulls are from 6th century BC, and probably belonged to racially mixed individuals, not pure Finno-Ugrians.

[Ülev]

GtG for the presidency of TA folk
unorthodox views attribute Great People

[Grab the Gauge]

No. You are just ridiculous with your lunatic theories. :D

It's not a theory it's a fact, early N1 was Caucasoid and Indo European and I already gave you a visual proof.

[Token]

These skulls are from 6th century BC, and probably belonged to racially mixed individuals, not pure Finno-Ugrians.

The were the predecessors of the Volga Finns so, early Ugric speakers. Others eight skulls from Polom dating from the ninth century were also completely Europid and closely resembled elite Scythians metrically.

[Grab the Gauge]

These skulls are from 6th century BC, and probably belonged to racially mixed individuals, not pure Finno-Ugrians.

Racially mixed half-Asians come out looking almost 100% Asian, sometimes more Asian looking than their original parents. There is no way a mixed-Asian skull series got classified as predominantly Caucasoid.


Keep running away from the facts, Deslan. Just deny and deny it until you can't hear the truth anymore. Fight the power, brother.

[Veslan]

The were the predecessors of the Volga Finns so, early Ugric speakers. Others eight skulls from Polom dating from the ninth century were also completely Europid and closely resembled elite Scythians metrically.

Honestly we can't be sure if they were purely Finno-Ugrian or not. Unfortunetaly 20th century anthropologists didn't know about haplogroups...
But I am sure that the Lappoid, Ladogan, Uralid and Volgid facial types didn't come from nowhere, and they were definitely brought by Finno-Ugrians.

[Rethel]

Are you mad

This is not a emoticon for madness... :picard1:


because

Becasue you are talking irrelevant stuff.


It's not a theory it's a fact, early N1 was Caucasoid and Indo European and I already gave you a visual proof.

:picard2:

[Grab the Gauge]

Honestly we can't be sure if they were purely Finno-Ugrian or not. Unfortunetaly 20th century anthropologists didn't know about haplogroups...
But I am sure that the Lappoid, Ladogan, Uralid and Volgid facial types didn't come from nowhere, and they were definitely brought by Finno-Ugrians.

LOL they were 100% Finnougrian, buried with a Finnougrian material culture. Their haplogroups were 100% Caucasoid.

[Grab the Gauge]

This is not a emoticon for madness... :picard1:



Becasue you are talking irrelevant stuff.

Right it's an emoticon for shame and denialism.

[Token]

Honestly we can't be sure if they were purely Finno-Ugrian or not. Unfortunetaly 20th century anthropologists didn't know about haplogroups...
But I am sure that the Lappoid, Ladogan, Uralid and Volgid facial types didn't come from nowhere, and they were definitely brought by Finno-Ugrians.

They were early Finno-Ugrians so, obviously they were. Also, if they were really mixed, how do you explain the completely Europid morphology of all skulls found?
These types that you cited are most likely product of the mixing of more recent (or not) North Asians invaders with Paleo-Mesolithic Cromagnoids, with the first element being dominant, there are no early Finno-Ugric crania that resembles, even remotely, a Lappoid. Also, the names that you cited are all synonyms used to refer to the same metrical type.

[Veslan]

Racially mixed half-Asians come out looking almost 100% Asian

Not always. And if you mix a narrow-faced dolichocephal with a wide-faced brachycephal you will probably get a medium-faced mesocephal. And this would not be "almost 100% asian" looking at all.

[Grab the Gauge]

Not always. And if you mix a narrow-faced dolichocephal with a wide-faced brachycephal you will probably get a medium-faced mesocephal. And this would not be "almost 100% asian" looking at all.

Yes, always. 100% of the time. Show me a single half Asian who is remotely Nordic and blond haired. You can't do it.

[Veslan]

They were early Finno-Ugrians so, obviously they were.
They were not. 6th century BC isn't that "early". And they were the frontier Finnics, not the central ones.

Also, if they were really mixed, how do you explain the completely Europid morphology of all skulls found?
Not completely if their skulls were broad and some of them had CI over 81.

These types that you cited are most likely product of the mixing of more recent (or not) North Asians invaders with Paleo-Mesolithic Cromagnoids
"More recent North Asian invaders"? Lol, which one. The only North Asian invaders in Europe I know are Finno-Ugrians. Cromagnoids? Then they would have been light-pigmented and dolichocephalic...

there are no early Finno-Ugric crania that resembles, even remotely, a Lappoid. Also, the names that you cited are all synonyms to refer to the same metrical type.
There are, and even in this group one skull had cephalic index 83. Also not all the names are the same type, some of them are even Mesocephalic (but still considered "Finnic").

[Veslan]

Yes, always. 100% of the time. Show me a single half Asian who is remotely Nordic and blond haired. You can't do it.

And how do you know if these Finnics were half asian, but not for an example quarter Asian, and had predominantly blond hair? You can't prove it.

[Ülev]

N1c stronk!
(even if she has mt-dna)

https://youtu.be/tSf0HZUXIUk


https://youtu.be/XQWnJIxkCwY

[Grab the Gauge]

And how do you know if these Finnics were half asian, but not for an example quarter Asian, and had predominantly blond hair? You can't prove it.



1/8th Asians:


https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/923449756839395328/NabcFgln_200x200.jpg


http://i43.tinypic.com/nmkg3s.jpg

Show me the Nordic half Asians, Veslan. No more deflections.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Blah blah blah

Read the study: "Northwest Siberian Khanty and Mansi in the junction of West and East Eurasian gene pools as revealed by uniparental markers"

It claims haplogroup N (N2 and N3) in Europe and Siberis are all Mongoloid/East Eurasian.

https://images.nature.com/full/nature-assets/ejhg/journal/v16/n10/images/ejhg2008101f1.jpg

Khanty, Nenets, Mansi are all have mostly Caucasian European maternal DNA ancestry with mostly paternal Haplogroup N

Yet genetic shows they are all 70-90% Mongoloid racially and gentically which shows haplogroup N could only be Mongoloid.

95% in Ngannasans
90% in Yakuts
77% in Nenets
65% in Finns
55% in Dolgans
34% in Estonians

http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/60_Genetics/NganasansY_DNA.gif

http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/60_Genetics/SakhaY_DNA.gif

http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/60_Genetics/NenetsY_DNA.gif

http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/60_Genetics/DolgansY_DNA.gif

[Token]

They were not. 6th century BC isn't that "early". And they were the frontier Finnics, not the central ones.
So, show me a earlier morphologically Mongoloid Finno-Ugric crania. You have nothing that proves your point.


Not completely if their skulls were broad and some of them had CI over 81.
Just one male found in Polianki had a indice of 83 but nothing that you can't find in Iron Age Indo-European, i can post some early Germanic crania with similar values.


"More recent North Asian invaders"? Lol, which one. The only North Asian invaders in Europe I know are Finno-Ugrians. Cromagnoids? Then they would have been light-pigmented and dolichocephalic...
And who said that Lappoids live in Europe? They are mostly found in Sápmi and Eurasia, the Lappoids that live among Europids are just recent migrants and commonly mixed with local types.


There are, and even in this group one skull had cephalic index 83. Also not all the names are the same type, some of them are even Mesocephalic (but still considered "Finnic").
Yes, they are names for the same Mongoliform Sibirid-like Europoid-influenced type, like Hallstatt Nordid, Skandonordid and Götatyp refer to the same classic Nordid form.

[Veslan]

So, show me a earlier morphologically Mongoloid Finno-Ugric crania. You have nothing that proves your point.
Many Seima-Turbino crania were Lappoid-like.


Just one male found in Polianki had a indice of 83 but nothing that you can't find in Iron Age Indo-European
This is why they were obviously mixed. It's impossible from people with Mongoloid N1c haplogroup originating in East Siberia to be predominantly Caucasoid without being mixed.




nd who said that Lappoids live in Europe? They are mostly found in Sápmi and Eurasia
:picard1: Sapmi people live ONLY in Europe.

the Lappoids that live among Europids are just recent migrants and commonly mixed with local types.
Define "recent".




Yes, they are names for the same Mongoliform Sibirid-like Europoid-influenced type, like Hallstatt Nordid, Skandonordid and Götatyp refer to the same classic Nordid form.
All fit your definition, but are not as close to eachother as "Hallstatt Nordid", "Skandonordid" and "Gotatyp".

[Harkonnen]

N1c1 was brought to Baltic states by Finnic warlords who became the rulers of the Balto-Slavic slave-race.

[MercifulServant]

N1c1 was brought to Baltic states by Finnic warlords who became the rulers of the Balto-Slavic slave-race.

Wrong N1c1 is from mongoloid immigrants

[Vlatko Vukovic]

N1c1 was brought to Baltic states by Finnic warlords who became the rulers of the Balto-Slavic slave-race.

https://m.popkey.co/89183b/16mOj.gif

[Vlatko Vukovic]

http://www.medievalists.net/2014/04/medieval-slave-traders-go-finland/

"Finns were especially valuable on the slave trade market because they were neither Christian or Muslim, and because of their light skin colour. "

But you can be proud. You were very valuable slaves on medieval market.

[Harkonnen]

https://m.popkey.co/89183b/16mOj.gif

Gediminids, the rulers of Balts and Slavs were N1c1, as were also Rurikids - you can not change the facts.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Gediminids, the rulers of Balts and Slavs were N1c1, as were also Rurikids - you can not change the facts.

Uneducated idiot.

Slavs defeated Rurikids when they invade Russia. When they go to retreat, Slavs come to them and asked Rurik to be his "knyaz".

Knyaz is Slavic title. Not Finnic. You were slaves of Russians and Sweden a long time. You are genetical trash.

[Harkonnen]

Uneducated idiot.

Slavs defeated Rurikids when they invade Russia. When they go to retreat, Slavs come to them and asked Rurik to be his "knyaz".

Knyaz is Slavic title. Not Finnic. You were slaves of Russians and Sweden a long time. You are genetical trash.

Keep living in denial you Slavic piece of shit.

[Grab the Gauge]

Uneducated idiot.



LOL, the butthurt is strong.

Last chance for Veslan to show me some some Nordic half Asians or 1/8th Asians.

[MercifulServant]

Keep living in denial you Slavic piece of shit.

Keep living in denial finno mongol

[Grab the Gauge]

Read the study: "Northwest Siberian Khanty and Mansi in the junction of West and East Eurasian gene pools as revealed by uniparental markers"

It claims haplogroup N (N2 and N3) in Europe and Siberis are all Mongoloid/East Eurasian.



Wrong, it doesn't say that anywhere.

They all got their N1 (like their herding techniques) from Indo-Europeans. :thumb001:

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Keep living in denial finno mongol

Finns are genetical trash. that is why they were whole medival time on trade market by Slavs and Vikings.

[Grab the Gauge]

LOl @ Veslan thumbing all of my posts down. Slavic/half Asian buthurt is strong.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

LOl @ Veslan thumbing all of my posts down. Slavic/half Asian buthurt is strong.

You claim : Slavic = Half Asian ?

One more prove about your intelligence.

[Veslan]

LOl @ Veslan thumbing all of my posts down. Slavic/half Asian buthurt is strong.

Stop behaving like a retard so I'll stop thumbing you down. It's as simple as that.

[Grab the Gauge]

You claim : Slavic = Half Asian ?

One more prove about your intelligence.

You and Veslan personally are half-Asian, without a shadow of a doubt.

[Grab the Gauge]

Stop behaving like a retard so I'll stop thumbing you down. It's as simple as that.

Why haven't you shown me a Nordic and blond half Asian yet, Veslan? Show me a quarter Asian that looks like this 2000 year old N1b guy:


http://www.asergeev.com/pictures/archives/2011/942/jpeg/14.jpg

[Harkonnen]

You and Veslan personally are half-Asian, without a shadow of a doubt.

100% Slavic untermenschen.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

You and Veslan personally are half-Asian, without a shadow of a doubt.

do you have more jokes to say?

[Veslan]

Why haven't you shown me a Nordic and blond half Asian yet, Veslan? Show me a quarter Asian that looks like this 2000 year old N1b guy:


http://www.asergeev.com/pictures/archives/2011/942/jpeg/14.jpg

Because it's neither relevant to the topic, nor possible according to Mendel's law of inheriting traits. Also what's your proof that this man was N1b instead of R1a?

[Vlatko Vukovic]

100% Slavic untermenschen.

Slavs were your overlords for centuries. It is well-known in Finland.

[Grab the Gauge]

LOL you guys should see the reputation comments Veslan is sending me, it's so entertaining to watch him squirm. Why haven't you produced a photo of a Nordic quarter Asian, Veslan? What is your disability?

[Grab the Gauge]

Because it's neither relevant to the topic, nor possible according to Mendel's law of inheriting traits. Also what's your proof that this man was N1b instead of R1a?

Read the fucking link I posted you idiot. Thanks for admitting your mixed Asian theory is wrong!

[MercifulServant]

100% Slavic untermenschen.

The finnic uraloid master race LOL 100% Aryan finn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WysOKigVZXc

[Token]

Many Seima-Turbino crania were Lappoid-like.
Show me.


This is why they were obviously mixed. It's impossible from people with Mongoloid N1c haplogroup originating in East Siberia to be predominantly Caucasoid without being mixed.
A indice of 83 is not absurd, you can find Europeans with more than that.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/34/Ripley_map_of_cephalic_index_in_Europe.png


Sapmi people live ONLY in Europe.
They live in a isolated area with a subarctic climate as a very distinct ethnic group, they have nothing to do with Europeans. Historically, the region known as Lappland in Northern Scandinavia was originally inhabited by the Saami, Europeans are newcomers in the area just like they are in America and Australia. Also, there's a clear continuum from the Sibirid and Lappoid types and the geographic distribution of both suggests a clear connection, with the later being more Europoid influenced.


All fit your definition, but are not as close to eachother as "Hallstatt Nordid", "Skandonordid" and "Gotatyp".
They are not close, they are the same.

[Veslan]

Why haven't you produced a photo of a Nordic quarter Asian, Veslan? What is your disability?
Because I don't have to. If you knew basic biology, you would have known that it is possible to recreate a purely light haired and light eyed individual if both parents have at least one allele for light eyes and light hair.

[Harkonnen]

Seima Turbino was mostly R1a so I don't know why these Polaks bring that up. Of course Polaks are just generally so fucking retarded that it sort of makes sense. Seima was huge phenom which started from development of new type of metallurgy in Volga-Urals region. From there it radiaded in all directions.

[Harkonnen]

Slavs were your overlords for centuries. It is well-known in Finland.

Which Slav was our overlord? You loosers were fucking slaves for thousands of years.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Which Slav was our overlord? You loosers were fucking slaves for thousands of years.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/Russian_Empire_Empire_of_Japan_Locator.png/1200px-Russian_Empire_Empire_of_Japan_Locator.png

Russian Empire

Where is Finland? I know. Busy of serving to Slavs.

[Veslan]

Show me.
http://antropogenez.ru/uploads/tx_antropedia/trepanacia5.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-pyd2b8hRk5U/TwPBPBDqJII/AAAAAAAALHA/zBr5T9d2OzQ/s1600/neolreclyalovo00.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-gb3GhIYiJ2Q/TwPBTh2V2hI/AAAAAAAALHI/FPm5v46jwsM/s400/neolreclyalovo10.jpg
http://history.novosibdom.ru/files/u5/sibir_30.jpg
http://history.novosibdom.ru/files/u5/sibir_42.jpg





A indice of 83 is not absurd, you can find Europeans with more than that.
In 1899 it was not, nor it is an absurd today. My own cephalic index is 84 for an example. But in 6th century BC, and in that specific region which lacks Dinaroid and Alpinoid influenced it was.



They live in a isolated area with a subarctic climate as a very distinct ethnic group, they have nothing to do with Europeans. Historically, the region known as Lappland in Northern Scandinavia was originally inhabited by the Saami, Europeans are newcomers in the area just like they are in America and Australia. Also, there's a clear continuum from the Sibirid and Lappoid types and the geographic distribution of both suggests a clear connection, with the later being more Europoid influenced.
I know they have nothing to do with Europeans, this is because they are Finno-Ugric.



They are not close, they are the same.
I know, but the Lappoid/Ladogan/Uralid/Volgid are only close, not exactly the same to each other.

[Harkonnen]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/Russian_Empire_Empire_of_Japan_Locator.png/1200px-Russian_Empire_Empire_of_Japan_Locator.png

Russian Empire

Where is Finland? I know. Busy of serving to Slavs.

Russians were never ruled by Slavs. they were ruled by Rurikids, Mongols, Tatars, Germans, and fucking Georgians. Russians are a race of Slaves.

[Grab the Gauge]

Because I don't have to. If you knew basic biology, you would have known that it is possible to recreate a purely light haired and light eyed individual if both parents have at least one allele for light eyes and light hair.

Yes, you do. Dumbass. Half Asians and even 1/8th Asians have Mongoloid features and black hair. You are writing off blond Nordic N1b mummies with no Mongoloid features and entire skull series of Finnougrians with Caucasoid features based on your shitty "they were half Asian" fantasy. No half Asian or 1/8th Asian has ever been a blond Nordic.

Just admit that your shitty idea is wrong and go back to potato farming. You can never show me a mixed Asian who is both Nordic and blond/red haired.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Russians were never ruled by Slavs. they were ruled by Rurikids, Mongols, Tatars, Germans, and fucking Georgians. Russians are a race of Slaves.

Romanov is a Slavic dynasty.

You were servants of them.

[Veslan]

Yes, you do. Dumbass. Half Asians and even 1/8th Asians have Mongoloid features and black hair.
Chuck Norris has Mongoloid Amerindian roots and he is both light-haired and light-eyed. Here's your example. Btw. If I were you I would have studied biology a little better.
http://www.healthfitnessrevolution.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/chuck-norris.jpg

[Grab the Gauge]

You literally can't make this shit up, it's hilarious. 11% Asian James Allsup:


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8eDBdfVoAAm0dt.jpg


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFTgLZBUQAE7H02.jpg:large

[Harkonnen]

Romanov is a Slavic dynasty.

You were servants of them.

No idiot, Romanovs were originally Germans.

[Grab the Gauge]

Chuck Norris has Mongoloid Amerindian roots and he is both light-haired and light-eyed. Here's your example. Btw. If I were you I would have studied biology a little better.
http://www.healthfitnessrevolution.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/chuck-norris.jpg

Chuck Norris is zero percent Amerindian, Americans lie about being Amerindian because they think it makes them cool and exotic. Amerindians aren't Asian, either. Show me the quarter Asians who are Nordic, Veslan. You're trying, but you can't do it.

[Token]

...
You can't classify a crania without taking concrete measurements.


In 1899 it was not, nor it is an absurd today. My own cephalic index is 84 for an example. But in 6th century BC, and in that specific region which lacks Dinaroid and Alpinoid influenced it was.
Broader heads are common in Northern Europe, it is a adaptation to colder and harsh climates. Anyway, i don't know why you still resort in the cranial index to prove that these skulls were mongoloid, Neolithic and Bronze Age brachycephals in Belgium, Cyprus and Britain had a mean indice of ~82 compared to the Finno-Ugric remains mean of 77.4. Just for reference, elite Scythians indices were around 76.4.



I know, but the Lappoid/Ladogan/Uralid/Volgid are only close, not exactly the same to each other.
I doubt you can cite the differences of each type.

[Veslan]

You literally can't make this shit up, it's hilarious. 11% Asian James Allsup:


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8eDBdfVoAAm0dt.jpg


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFTgLZBUQAE7H02.jpg:large
Irrelevant. I have already proved you wrong.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

No idiot, Romanovs were originally Germans.

You are butthurt. In Russia is slavic culture, slavic language and was in ancient time slavic paganism.

If Slavs are "slave race of Russia", why in all Russia people speak SLAVIC LANGUAGE. ?

Bcs Slavs are supremacy.

[Harkonnen]

You are butthurt. In Russia is slavic culture, slavic language and was in ancient time slavic paganism.

If Slavs are "slave race of Russia", why in all Russia people speak SLAVIC LANGUAGE. ?

Bcs Slavs are supremacy.

Because Slavic slaves breed like rats and are too stupid to learn the language of their Masters.

[Veslan]

Chuck Norris is zero percent Amerindian, Americans lie about being Amerindian because they think it makes them cool and exotic. Amerindians aren't Asian, either. Show me the quarter Asians who are Nordic, Veslan. You're trying, but you can't do it.

You have no proof for that. He is Amerindian admixed, and is pred. Keltic Nordic. Now, after I proved you wrong, we can go back to the original topic of the thread.

What is the origin of N1c in the Baltic states?

[Grab the Gauge]

Irrelevant. I have already proved you wrong.

LOL, you haven't proven me wrong. I bet you look like James Allsup, too. How does it feel to know you look less Indo-European than this Amerindian?


https://i.pinimg.com/736x/34/06/68/3406684275b586ec605b55135c516b1f--american-indians-native-americans.jpg

[Grab the Gauge]

You have no proof for that. He is Amerindian admixed, and is pred. Keltic Nordic. Now, after I proved you wrong, we can go back to the original topic of the thread.

What is the origin of N1c in the Baltic states?

This Amerindian is pred. Keltic Nordic


https://i.pinimg.com/736x/34/06/68/3406684275b586ec605b55135c516b1f--american-indians-native-americans.jpg


Chuck Norris lied though, he isn't half Native.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Because Slavic slaves breed like rats and are too stupid to learn the language of their Masters.

Hahahhahaha. Your "N haplogroup" Rurikids spoke Slavic language hehehehe

They must learn it, bcs they live in Slavic state :D

I know for your butthurt.

[Veslan]

You can't classify a crania without taking concrete measurements.
https://i.imgur.com/60a8B2C.png

Broader heads are common in Northern Europe, it is a adaptation to colder and harsh climates. Anyway, i don't know why you still resort in the cranial index to prove that these skulls were mongoloid, Neolithic and Bronze Age brachycephals in Belgium, Cyprus and Britain had a mean indice of ~82 compared to the Finno-Ugric remains mean of 77.4. Just for reference, elite Scythians indices were around 76.4.
This is only true for Alpine and Dinaric race. Lappoid race is fully immigrant type which was already brachycephalic in it's East Asian place of origin.



I doubt you can cite the differences of each type.
Mainly cranial diffrences in facial and cephalic indexes.

[Grab the Gauge]

Hahahhahaha. Your "N haplogroup" Rurikids spoke Slavic language hehehehe

They must learn it, bcs they live in Slavic state :D

Because they got Slavic moms. :D

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Because they got Slavic moms. :D

I think that is opposite. Rapers don't learn the language of their whores :)

Rapers = Slavs

Whores = Finns

[Grab the Gauge]

https://i.imgur.com/60a8B2C.png




That's not a concrete measurement, is subject to lens distortion and photo processing.

Kets, Yakuts, etc are strongly dolicocephalic, btw. The Tungid race is markedly dolicocephalic.

[Grab the Gauge]

I think that is opposite. Rapers don't learn the language of their whores :)



Yes, they do. The children do.

[Token]

...
Cephalic index is not the only one, you need nasal, orbital and facial index, bizygomatic diameter and more data that you can only get using a calipher.


This is only true for Alpine and Dinaric race. Lappoid race is fully immigrant type which was already brachycephalic in it's East Asian place of origin.
And none Finno-Ugric crania was classified as Lappoid by any scholar that actually measured them.


Mainly cranial diffrences in facial and cephalic indexes.
There are no differences, give up.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Yes they do, my rape baby son.

No.

Whores are "N" Finns who must learn Slavic language, like all other races in Russia, becouse of Slavic domination among all of them.

[Grab the Gauge]

Just a reminder than modern Yakuts, Kets, etc and all Tungids are strongly dolicocephaic (long headed).

[Veslan]

That's not a concrete measurement, is subject to lens distortion and photo processing.
I know it's not as accurate as if I used a caliper, but it is still more likely that this skull is brachycephalic when the result is like ~87 instead of for an example ~70

Kets, Yakuts, etc are strongly dolicocephalic, btw. The Tungid race is markedly dolicocephalic.
I know. Brachycephaly developed after the Caucasoid-Mongoloid division, and not all Mongoloids became brachycephalic.

[Grab the Gauge]

No.

Whores are "N" Finns who must learn Slavic language, like all other races in Russia, becouse of Slavic domination among all of them.

Yes. Rest easy now, my rape baby son. The rape is finally complete.


https://WWW.youtube.com/watch?v=ygr5AHufBN4

[Grab the Gauge]

I know it's not as accurate as if I used a caliper, but it is still more likely that this skull is brachycephalic when the result is like ~87 instead of for an example ~70

I know. Brachycephaly developed after the Caucasoid-Mongoloid division, and not all Mongoloids became brachycephalic.

LOL, wrong again. Brachy Mongoloids existed back then and they weren't in North Asia where any of these N1 people are. Just face it, you are up shit creek without a paddle.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Yes. Rest easy now, my rape baby son. The rape is finally complete.


https://WWW.youtube.com/watch?v=ygr5AHufBN4

I am glad to see that my son is circumcised, also i suggest him castration. Becouse he is a genetical trash made by my sperm. Enjoy.

[Grab the Gauge]

I am glad to see that my son is circumcised, also i suggest him castration. Becouse he is a genetical trash made by my sperm. Enjoy.

https://media.tenor.com/images/f9f82221a6c8084bca2d71d17c2f7969/tenor.gif

[Vlatko Vukovic]

https://media.tenor.com/images/f9f82221a6c8084bca2d71d17c2f7969/tenor.gif

i agree. You can bee calm when they castrate you.

It will be helpful for whole planet.

[Veslan]

Cephalic index is not the only one, you need nasal, orbital and facial index, bizygomatic diameter and more data that you can only get using a calipher.
It's quite obvious those skulls are wide-faced. And because they were wide-faced and brachycephalic, and too mongoloid for an Alpine type, they were Mongoloid, more precisely Lappoid.


And none Finno-Ugric crania was classified as Lappoid by any scholar that actually measured them.
Because they tested wrong cultures, not a long time ago it was not even certain if Finnics were not living in Scandinavia before Indo-Europeans. Now we now they were not because of genetical studies.


There are no differences, give up.
Volgid type is mesocephalic, probably more archaicall type than the others, Lappoid is more Mongoloid than Ladogan and more prognathous, with wider faces, more protruding cheek bones. Uralid race is more CM influenced.

[Veslan]

LOL, wrong again. Brachy Mongoloids existed back then and they weren't in North Asia where any of these N1 people are. Just face it, you are up shit creek without a paddle.

N1c haplogroup is not from North Asia, it's from what is today China.

[Grab the Gauge]

with wider faces, more protruding cheek bones

Neither of these attributes are diagnostic of Mongoloids. Just face it, none of these crania are Mongoloid.

[Grab the Gauge]

N1c haplogroup is not from North Asia, it's from what is today China.

No it isn't, you're referring to a study that found N1c in North China. Nobody knows where N1c came from but the oldest known ancestor of N is from Romania (Oase 1). And I'm saying none of these North Asians (from where you are saying Finnougrians came from) were brachycephalic. As in literally, none. Yet another discrepancy that casts doubt and improbability on your theory.

[Jana]

Veslan you are the stupidest motherfucker on Earth, why are you so persistent about this subject? N1 isn't Mongoloid and isn't Non-Indo European. Fully Nordic Scythian Indo-European from Pazyryk who came back N1b:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pazyryk_culture


http://blurblogs2014.s3.amazonaws.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/04144902/flickr-8556044973-hd.jpg


N1 in Finns undoubtedly comes from Nordic Indo Europeans, it has nothing to do with Finno-Ugric "Mongoloids".r

N1c were white Finno-Ugrians, not gay indo-europeans.

I can invite Stears to educate you on the matter. Indo-Europeans are the gypsies.

[Veslan]

Neither of these attributes are diagnostic of Mongoloids. Just face it, none of these crania are Mongoloid.

:picard2:

[Grab the Gauge]

N1c were white Finno-Ugrians, not gay indo-europeans.

I can invite Stears to educate you on the matter. Indo-Europeans are the gypsies.

You look like this Jewish Italian woman. Remember her? Are you Jewish?


https://www.iww.org/graphics/portraits/JudiBari/judi.jpg

http://www.judibari.org/images/dontmorn.jpg


You also look like this daughter of Indo European men:

http://siberiantimes.com/PICTURES/SCIENCE/Amazon-face-restored/information_items_1988.jpg

Are you an Indo-European Jewish woman?

[Veslan]

the oldest known ancestor of N is from Romania (Oase 1).
Wrong. User cosmoo has already debunked it in the other thread.

[MercifulServant]

N1c were white Finno-Ugrians, not gay indo-europeans.

I can invite Stears to educate you on the matter. Indo-Europeans are the gypsies.

Then youre a gypsy LOL

anyway here is an example of the finnic master race LOL so ubermensch right xD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WysOKigVZXc

[Jana]

You look like this Jewish Italian woman. Remember her? Are you Jewish?


https://www.iww.org/graphics/portraits/JudiBari/judi.jpg

http://www.judibari.org/images/dontmorn.jpg


You also look like this daughter of Indo European men:

http://siberiantimes.com/PICTURES/SCIENCE/Amazon-face-restored/information_items_1988.jpg

Are you an Indo-European Jewish woman?

I look like the nordic godess you fap on. Let's be honest Grab. By the way I decend from nigger I2 tribe.

[Grab the Gauge]

Veslan vs. Grab the Gauge



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mluutEMR3hs

[Vlatko Vukovic]

N1c were white Finno-Ugrians, not gay indo-europeans.

I can invite Stears to educate you on the matter. Indo-Europeans are the gypsies.

N1c white Finno Ugrians? No chance.

Indo europeans gypsies? They are creators of modern european civilisation anyway.

[Jana]

Then youre a gypsy LOL

anyway here is an example of the finnic master race LOL so ubermensch right xD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WysOKigVZXc

Finno-Ugrians are master race :)
By the way, I am not Indoeuropean lol. And I only date strictly I-men.

My father is I2, my man I1.

R1 is for house cleaning service.

[Veslan]

Veslan vs. Grab the Gauge



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mluutEMR3hs

Didn't know you are Negroid lol.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Finno-Ugrians are master race :)
By the way, I am not Indoeuropean lol. And I only date strictly I-men.

My father is I2, my man I1.

R1 is for house cleaning service.

R1 revolutionized Europe. Finno Ugrians in originals were Mongoloids.

[Jana]

N1c white Finno Ugrians? No chance.

Indo europeans gypsies? They are creators of modern european civilisation anyway.

It was joke, calm down. I'm wanted troll Grab the Gauge :o

[Grab the Gauge]

Wrong. User cosmoo has already debunked it in the other thread.

Nope. Cosmoo got whipped and made to fetch firewood like he usually does, the little rat tailed peasant boy.

[Jana]

R1 revolutionized Europe. Finno Ugrians in originals were Mongoloids.
Europ needs to be deindoeuropeanized....

[Veslan]

Nope. Cosmoo got whipped and made to fetch firewood like he usually does, the little rat tailed peasant boy.

You have nice imagination.

[MercifulServant]

Finno-Ugrians are master race :)
By the way, I am not Indoeuropean lol. And I only date strictly I-men.

My father is I2, my man I1.

R1 is for house cleaning service.

This finnic ubermensch is the most master race I have ever seen LMFAO!!!

https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-d757c0cb6c869271d8e8b2843514d32b

[Jana]

This finnic ubermensch is the most master race I have ever seen LMFAO!!!

https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-d757c0cb6c869271d8e8b2843514d32b

https://www.formula1.com/content/fom-website/en/championship/drivers/kimi-raikkonen/_jcr_content/par/manual_gallery/image1.img.1024.medium.jpg/1423829535902.jpg
http://www.speednik.com/files/2017/01/2017-01-30_10-20-19.jpg

N1 >>>>>> R1

[Grab the Gauge]

Recap:

Wide faces and prominent cheekbones aren't Mongoloid. Every race had them, including Cro magnons, Indo Europeans, etc.

N1 East Asians have dolicocephalic skulls, exclusively.

Oldest N1 mummies are Indo European, Nordic and red/blond haired, in Mongolia 2,000 years ago.

Veslan is unable to produce a photo of a half-Asian or even a 1/8th Asian with blond hair and Nordic features.

Rurik dynasty was blond N1c Finnic ruled. President Trump is also an N1c Rurikid man -- here is how he treats Balkan Slavs:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrTOlNDMTvg


Earliest Finnougrians were fully Caucasoid, all scholars agree.


N1c is a Caucasoid haplogroup.

[Veslan]

https://www.formula1.com/content/fom-website/en/championship/drivers/kimi-raikkonen/_jcr_content/par/manual_gallery/image1.img.1024.medium.jpg/1423829535902.jpg
http://www.speednik.com/files/2017/01/2017-01-30_10-20-19.jpg

N1 >>>>>> R1

This man is certainly heavily Indo-European influenced. Otherwise he would have looked like this just like the real and original N1c:
https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe011.jpg

[Veslan]

Recap:

Wide faces and prominent cheekbones aren't Mongoloid. Every race had them, including Cro magnons, Indo Europeans, etc.

N1 East Asians have dolicocephalic skulls, exclusively.

Oldest N1 mummies are Indo European, Nordic and red/blond haired, in Mongolia 2,000 years ago.

Veslan is unable to produce a photo of a half-Asian or even a 1/8th Asian with blond hair and Nordic features.

Rurik dynasty was blond N1c Finnic ruled. President Trump is also an N1c Rurikid man -- here is how he treats Balkan Slavs:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrTOlNDMTvg


Earliest Finnougrians were fully Caucasoid, all scholars agree.


N1c is a Caucasoid haplogroup.

Source: Grab the Gauge's imagination xD

[MercifulServant]

https://www.formula1.com/content/fom-website/en/championship/drivers/kimi-raikkonen/_jcr_content/par/manual_gallery/image1.img.1024.medium.jpg/1423829535902.jpg
http://www.speednik.com/files/2017/01/2017-01-30_10-20-19.jpg

N1 >>>>>> R1

N1 mongol

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2007/11/09/finland11.jpg


Nordic Indo European Ubermensch
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Karl_von_M%C3%BCller.jpg

[Jana]

This man is certainly heavily Indo-European influenced. Otherwise he would have looked like this just like the real and original N1c:
https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe011.jpg

But Finland is least indo-European influenced country in Europe.
They half N1c, half I1 roughly

:)

[Grab the Gauge]

This man is certainly heavily Indo-European influenced. Otherwise he would have looked like this just like the real and original N1c:
https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe011.jpg

No, even by your own bullshit that man cannot be the original N1c. If N1c is East Asian Mongoloid, they must be dolicocephalic and also long faced like modern Yakuts, Kets, etc are.

If N1c was Mongoloid, they would have to look like this:


https://i.ytimg.com/vi/VlNVruvnSwo/maxresdefault.jpg


N1c East Asians are dolicocephalic, long faced, long and narrow nose. That man has European and West Eurasian, not Mongoloid features.


But of course, N1 isn't Mongoloid at all, and Yakuts and Kets got their N1 from Indo-Europeans.

[Jana]

Putin look 100% N1c !
Lick his ass little serbian, your beloved russia led by finno-ugric ubermensch :D

[Veslan]

No, even by your own bullshit that man cannot be the original N1c. If N1c is East Asian Mongoloid, they must be dolicocephalic and also long faced like modern Yakuts, Kets, etc are.

If N1c was Mongoloid, they would have to look like this:


https://i.ytimg.com/vi/VlNVruvnSwo/maxresdefault.jpg


That man has European and West Eurasian, not Mongoloid features.

Wrong. N1c men were brachy just like Saami people, ones of the purest Finno-Ugrians. Maybe the khanty are more strongly Finno-Ugrian than them though:
https://i2.wp.com/valueofthemoment.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/05-logo.jpg?resize=1024%2C680

[MercifulServant]

Putin look 100% N1c !
Lick his ass little serbian, your beloved russia led by finno-ugric ubermensch :D

Putin is an Indo European Slav

[Jana]

Putin is an Indo European Slav

Hahahah, with 0% indo european slavic look.
He has Karelian and north Russian roots, and N1c dominates there.

He is 90% certainity N1c. Deal with it.

[Grab the Gauge]

Wrong. N1c men were brachy just like Saami people, ones of the purest Finno-Ugrians. Maybe the khanty are more strongly Finno-Ugrian than them though:
https://i2.wp.com/valueofthemoment.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/05-logo.jpg?resize=1024%2C680


Incorrect, Veslan. Not a single N1 East Asian tribe is brachycephalic. N1 could only be dolicocephalic, like modern East Asian N1 populations. The Pazyryk Scythian mummy is also dolicocephalic.

[Veslan]

Putin look 100% N1c !
Lick his ass little serbian, your beloved russia led by finno-ugric ubermensch :D

Wrong.

This is 100% N1c:

http://c8.alamy.com/comp/B95JTY/a-representative-of-the-khanty-people-B95JTY.jpg

[MercifulServant]

Hahahah, with 0% indo european slavic look.
He has Karelian and north Russian roots, and N1c dominates there.

He is 90% certainity N1c. Deal with it.

No he isnt deal with it he is an Ethnic Slavic Russian

[Veslan]

Incorrect, Veslan. Not a single N1 East Asian tribe is brachycephalic.

Saami people are.

[Jana]

Wrong.

This is 100% N1c:

http://c8.alamy.com/comp/B95JTY/a-representative-of-the-khanty-people-B95JTY.jpg

what's wrong whit this man ? He looks very uber, look better

Looks strong and capable like true Finno-Ugric man.

[Grab the Gauge]

Wrong.

This is 100% N1c:

http://c8.alamy.com/comp/B95JTY/a-representative-of-the-khanty-people-B95JTY.jpg

That man is dolicocephalic, idiot. Way to make a fool out of yourself. Khanty people = dolicocephalic where not mixed with Slavs.

[Jana]

No he isnt deal with it he is an Ethnic Slavic Russian
and ethnic slavic russians from north russia are genetically finno-ugric

and now what ? that is why he cannot pass outside russia, because he is slavic only by language.

[Veslan]

what's wrong whit this man ? He looks very uber, look better

Looks strong and capable like true Finno-Ugric man.

He looks like a typical pawn of his Slavic Russian overlords. 100% lower-class and Indo-Europeans' cuck look.

[MercifulServant]

and ethnic slavic russians from north russia are genetically finno-ugric

and now what ? that is why he cannot pass outside russia, because he is slavic only by language.

Youre funny they only have some Finno ugric influence still ethnic slavs and genetic slavs

[King Niko]

Pretty sure the origin is the Baltic States...

[Grab the Gauge]

Dolicocephalic N1 East Asians:


https://s22.postimg.org/nn7w8hfsh/438.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/NSPZRBV.png?1


Keep running away from the reality, Veslan. N1 = Caucasoid, Indo European.

[Jana]

Youre funny they only have some Finno ugric influence still ethnic slavs and genetic slavs
nice fantasy
http://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/previews.figshare.com/2251623/860/p_01.png

RusN is north russia. lol, totaly out of slavic cluster and cluster with Karelians and Vespians (Finns). This is where Putin would cluster.

Even the most med influenced Balkan slavs Bulgarians are million times more slavic genetically than northern Russians.

[Veslan]

That man is dolicocephalic, idiot. Way to make a fool out of yourself. Khanty people = dolicocephalic where not mixed with Slavs.

You can't say without a profile or top of a head look. Also even if he is dolly, he is still subhuman asian looking.

[Veslan]

Pretty sure the origin is the Baltic States...

But how did it enter the Baltic States? And when?

[Jana]

You can't say without a profile or top of a head look. Also even if he is dolly, he is still subhuman asian looking.
You Poles have some complexes. Is it because Germans declared you subhumans ?

I'm really suprised by behaviour or certain Polish TA members.

[MercifulServant]

nice fantasy
http://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/previews.figshare.com/2251623/860/p_01.png

RusN is north russia. lol, totaly out of slavic cluster and cluster with Karelians and Vespians (Finns). This is where Putin would cluster.

Even the most med influenced Balkan slavs Bulgarians are million times more slavic genetically than northern Russians.

The reality is that we will never know were putin would cluster since he hasnt taken any DNA tests, phenotype is pseudoscience at the end of the day anyway so the phenotype comment about bulgarians is irrelevant

[Grab the Gauge]

You can't say without a profile or top of a head look. Also even if he is dolly, he is still subhuman asian looking.

Asians aren't ugly or subhuman, you are looking at a man who has worked outdoors all day in one of the harshest environments the world has to offer. If you can't say whether or not he is Doli, why did you post him as a representative of brachy?


First you said Finnougrians were Mongoloid because they are too brachy.

Then you got schooled when I informed you that N1 East Asians are extremely dolicocephalic.

Now you are just flailing your arms and yelling a bunch of nonsense at the screen.

Just dace it, Finnougrians werent Mong and N1c is Caucasoid.

[Veslan]

You Poles have some complexes. Is it because Germans declared you subhumans ?

I'm really suprised by behaviour or certain Polish TA members.

Why would I care about Germans and their opinions? Nowadays they are literally destroying their own country.

[MercifulServant]

Asians aren't ugly or subhuman, you are looking at a man who has worked outdoors all day in one of the harshest environments the world has to offer. If you can't say whether or not he is Doli, why did you post him as a representative of brachy?


First you said Finnougrians were Mongoloid because they are too brachy.

Then you got schooled when I informed you that N1 East Asians are extremely dolicocephalic.

Now you are just flailin your arms and yelling a bunch of nonsense at the screen.

Just dace it, Finnougrians werent Mong and N1c is Caucasoid.

DO NORMAL NON MONGOL INFLUENCED CAUCASOIDS LOOK LIKE THIS PURE FINN!

http://murderpedia.org/male.A/images/auvinen/000a.jpg

[Jana]

The reality is that we will never know were putin would cluster since he hasnt taken any DNA tests, phenotype is pseudoscience at the end of the day anyway so the phenotype comment about bulgarians is irrelevant

It was genetic comment. Bulgarians are most native balkan influenced south slavs. but they are still more slavic than north russians. :o

[MercifulServant]

It was genetic comment. Bulgarians are most native balkan influenced south slavs. but they are still more slavic than north russians. :o

Which modern day slavic group is closest to the ancient slavs

[Jana]

Why would I care about Germans and their opinions? Nowadays they are literally destroying their own country.
You shouldn't. But really declaring finno-ugric people subhumans stupid. I remind you your brother nation Hungarians are also finno-ugric people.
Finland is one of best countries in the world, with most olympic medals per capita, and estonia is among most sucessful post-commie countries in europe.

So there no reason to insult them :)

[Jana]

Which modern day slavic group is closest to the ancient slavs
south belarusians, north ukrainians and eastern poles.

[Veslan]

Asians aren't ugly or subhuman, you are looking at a man who has worked outdoors all day in one of the harshest environments the world has to offer. If you can't say whether or not he is Doli, why did you post him as a representative of brachy?
That's pretty low-class. His Russian neighbours even if they live as "gopniks" they have higher status than him.


First you said Finnougrians were Mongoloid because they are too brachy.
And have other Mongoloid traits like prognathism/mesognathism, median folds, yellowish skin, upturn noses, and whatever is generally seen as Mongoloid inspirated.



Then you got schooled when I informed you that N1 East Asians are extremely dolicocephalic.
So what, Lapplanders are literally Finno-Ugric and they are brachy. Yakuts are irrelevant in the discussion about Finnics.


Just dace it, Finnougrians werent Mong and N1c is Caucasoid.
They were Mongoloids originating in East Asia.

[Grab the Gauge]

DO NORMAL NON MONGOL INFLUENCED CAUCASOIDS LOOK LIKE THIS PURE FINN!

http://murderpedia.org/male.A/images/auvinen/000a.jpg

Yes, because no Mongoloid admixed person looks like that. All Mongoloid admixed people have jet black hair ad Asian features, this guy has neither. This is just extreme cold adaptation in a West Eurasian Caucasoid.

[MercifulServant]

south belarusians, north ukrainians and eastern poles.

There was a russian user here that looked uzbek or central asian and he clusters closest to belurussians kinda proves that phenotype is not that accurate

[MercifulServant]

Yes, because no Mongoloid admixed person looks like that. All Mongoloid admixed people have jet black hair ad Asian features, this guy has neither. This is just extreme cold adaptation in a West Eurasian Caucasoid.

he looks like a child of gengis khan clearly mongol influenced anyway mongols have faces like that hair color doesnt mean shit alot of siberian tatars have blond hair

[Grab the Gauge]

That's pretty low-class. His Russian neighbours even if they live as "gopniks" they have higher status than him.

LOL, Slavic insecurity complex is showing strong. Why the fuck do you even care, you are Polish.



And have other Mongoloid traits like prognathism/mesognathism, median folds, yellowish skin, upturn noses, and whatever is generally seen as Mongoloid inspirated.


No they aren't.



So what, Lapplanders are literally Finno-Ugric and they are brachy. Yakuts are irrelevant in the discussion about Finnics.

No, they are relevant because all N1 East Asians are extremely doli. Finno Ugrians cannot have gotten brachycephaly from East Asians.



They were Mongoloids originating in East Asia.

Wrong, they were Caucasoids like the Pazyryk mummy from Mongolia. East Asian doesn't mean Mongoloid.

[Grab the Gauge]

he looks like a child of gengis khan clearly mongol influenced anyway mongols have faces like that hair color doesnt mean shit alot of siberian tatars have blond hair

LOL, wrong.

[Veslan]

You shouldn't. But really declaring finno-ugric people subhumans stupid. I remind you your brother nation Hungarians are also finno-ugric people.
Finland is one of best countries in the world, with most olympic medals per capita, and estonia is among most sucessful post-commie countries in europe.

So there no reason to insult them :)

I don't hate Hungarians because they are only Ugric-speaking predominantly R1a Indo-Europeans. Same with the isolated Erzya people, who fortunetaly currently re-indoeuropeanize themselves by assimilating to Russian culture.

And I hate Finnics because they are anti-Slavs like Harkonnen.

[MercifulServant]

Yes, because no Mongoloid admixed person looks like that. All Mongoloid admixed people have jet black hair ad Asian features, this guy has neither. This is just extreme cold adaptation in a West Eurasian Caucasoid.

This is an unmixed northern european pure caucasoid LMAO you must be joking

http://murderpedia.org/male.A/images/auvinen/000a.jpg

[MercifulServant]

LOL, wrong.

No youre wrong hair color doesnt mean shit, like I said many Siberian tatars have blond hair

[Grab the Gauge]

There is nothing Mongoloid about him, you know nothing about anthropology.

[Grab the Gauge]

No youre wrong hair color doesnt mean shit, like I said many Siberian tatars have blond hair

No they don't.

[MercifulServant]

LOL, wrong.

This is a true northern european no mongoloid mixture

https://i.pinimg.com/564x/a1/5c/aa/a15caa12e0a03b4d45faff9868f0cbfb--aryan-race-sabotage.jpg

[Grab the Gauge]

Pekka has no East Eurasian features.

[Veslan]

No they aren't.
Yes they are.

No, they are relevant because all N1 East Asians are extremely doli. Finno Ugrians cannot have gotten brachycephaly from East Asians.
Where did they get their brachycephaly from then? East Asia is the only logical answer, because North China area where they got their N1c from was brachycephalic. And Yakuts could have gotten their dolichocephaly (at least according to you, I would like to see some source on main cranial index) from for an example Ainuids.

Wrong, they were Caucasoids like the Pazyryk mummy from Mongolia. East Asian doesn't mean Mongoloid.
It wasn't N1c mummy. It was either N1b or even R1a.

[MercifulServant]

Pekka has no East Eurasian features.

if he took a DNA test he would get like 10% mongoloid admixture probably siberian

[Grab the Gauge]

Yes they are.


No, they are not. Those features are not exclusive to East Asians or east Asian admixed people, and occur in the most isolated and least Mongoloid European countries, such as England and Ireland. Many Mongoloids also lack those features.


Where did they get their brachycephaly from then? East Asia is the only logical answer,

Laughably wrong, brachycephaly has been in Europe and West Eurasia forever. Even the Neanderthals at Krapina were brachycephalic.


because North China area where they got their N1c from was brachycephalic.


Wrong, it was Dolicocephalic, and even today North China is majority Dolicocephalic.



And Yakuts could have gotten their dolichocephaly (at least according to you, I would like to see some source on main cranial index) from for an example Ainuids.

LMFAO, JUST LMFAO


It wasn't N1c mummy. It was either N1b or even R1a.

It was N1b and N1b is very frequently found in East Eurasians, it's one of those haplogroups that you idiots think is "East Eurasian". Even you admitted you think it is East Eurasian, are you backtracking now?

[Grab the Gauge]

if he took a DNA test he would get like 10% mongoloid admixture probably siberian

"Siberian" ≠ Mongoloid. Stupid Serbian ingrate.

[MercifulServant]

"Siberian" ≠ Mongoloid. Stupid Serbian ingrate.

Go to hell albo boy go suck some dicks


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1yBO0ZavGY

[MercifulServant]

"Siberian" ≠ Mongoloid. Stupid Serbian ingrate.

Siberian peoples are mongoloid idiot

[Grab the Gauge]

Go to hell albo boy go suck some dicks


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1yBO0ZavGY

Serbian girls prefer to suck Albanian dick, for sure. The only real men in the Balkans.

[Grab the Gauge]

Siberian peoples are mongoloid idiot

Wrong again, moron. Neither in ancient times nor today.

[MercifulServant]

Serbian girls prefer to suck Albanian dick, for sure. The only real men in the Balkans.

The only real men are serbs it seems like analbanians prefer to suck dick

[MercifulServant]

Wrong again, moron. Neither in ancient times nor today.

LOL i loved this comment in the albanian boy love video



Albanian boys like to suck dicks its an old illyrian ritual hahahaha GAYBANIA 
REPLY

[Grab the Gauge]

The only real men are serbs it seems like analbanians prefer to suck dick

That's not what it looked like when you were getting picked off left and right by frostbite, disease and Albanian mountain men.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbian_army%27s_retreat_through_Albania


Following the October 1915 invasion of Serbia during World War I at the hands of German, Austro-Hungarian and Bulgarian armies, the Serbian army retreated through Albania, an event sometimes called the Albanian golgotha (Serbian: Албанска голгота/Albanska golgota). During the long march, some 240,000 retreating Serbs died from the cold, starvation, disease and at the hands of Albanian tribesmen.[1] The march through the Albanian mountains had decimated its rank and contributed to the horrendous losses the Serbs had suffered in the First World War – the highest per capita of any country.[2]


The small brown Serbian boys are not fit for warfare, they cannot manage to fight properly.

[MercifulServant]

Wrong again, moron. Neither in ancient times nor today.

Idiot the siberian tatars and other groups are fully mongoloid delusional siptar boy you are probably butthurt about youre asian features so you try to hide it by making ridiculous claims like this

[MercifulServant]

That's not what it looked like when you were getting picked off left and right by frostbite, disease and Albanian mountain men.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbian_army%27s_retreat_through_Albania




The small brown Serbian boys are not fit for warfare, they cannot manage to fight properly.

Sorry but we dont suck dick like Siptars do, now go and find youre boy lover its youre calling


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1yBO0ZavGY

[Aenar]

This is a true northern european no mongoloid mixture

https://i.pinimg.com/564x/a1/5c/aa/a15caa12e0a03b4d45faff9868f0cbfb--aryan-race-sabotage.jpg

And this

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/XyjgJYbR4-A/maxresdefault.jpg
https://g.acdn.no/obscura/API/dynamic/r1/ece5/tr_1080_831_I_f/0000/rome/2016/4/26/17/kristinsson-bilde.jpg?chk=39D6B8

[Grab the Gauge]

Idiot the siberian tatars and other groups are fully mongoloid delusional siptar boy you are probably butthurt about youre asian features so you try to hide it by making ridiculous claims like this

Nope. I am an Anglo-Scottish American, btw. I have no connection to southeastern Europe although my grandfather went to Italy in WW2 after pursuing Germans across the desert of Africa. He told me about how Serbians, and other south Slavs were physically and mentally inferior and that no one respected them.

[MercifulServant]

Nope. I am an Anglo-Scottish American, btw. I have no connection to southeastern Europe although my grandfather went to Italy in WW2 after pursuing Germans across the desert of Africa. He told me about how Italians, Serbians, and other south Slavs were physically and mentally inferior and that no one respected them.

Nice story siptar boy

[Aenar]

Runar Kristinsson former Icelandic footballer, example of pure native northern European (without mongoloid influence)


https://g.acdn.no/obscura/API/dynamic/r1/ece5/tr_1080_831_I_f/0000/rome/2016/4/26/17/kristinsson-bilde.jpg?chk=39D6B8

https://youtu.be/MH6Ewbp_GC4

[MercifulServant]

R1a Ubermensch in this video


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvxQLlmEG_s

The butthurt J1 grabtheguage would shit there pants if they saw these alpha males

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Nope. I am an Anglo-Scottish American, btw. I have no connection to southeastern Europe although my grandfather went to Italy in WW2 after pursuing Germans across the desert of Africa. He told me about how Serbians, and other south Slavs were physically and mentally inferior and that no one respected them.

Yes, and who the f*cking care what your father said about South Slavs?

[Rethel]

Nope. I am an Anglo-Scottish American,

But an Angl or a Scott?

[Rethel]

Russians were never ruled by Slavs.

Before Rurikids, by Poles in XVII centurt, after Stalin aso.


they were ruled by Rurikids,

Who thought that they are Sweds and later Slavs themselves...:picard2:


Mongols, Tatars,

True, but these were patrialy IE and even Slavic.
Becasue of many Slavs there, was created even
an pseudoscientific idea that they were Russians... :picard2:

The most interesting guy, who probably attacked also
Moscow, was named... Mazowsza... like my region... :lightbul:


Germans,

IEs, not Ugrofinians anyway.


and fucking Georgians.

Owning Georgia before, at, and after that time...

[Rethel]

I can invite Stears to educate you on the matter. Indo-Europeans are the gypsies.

He is slowly progressing.
And btw, the fact, that he has such views, doesn;t make them true.
And do not confuse present with the past. We talk here about the past.

[Rethel]

Europ needs to be deindoeuropeanized....

Rather: IE-wannabes should or could be.

So start Feiichy from using your own language... and
colour your hair to not be confuse for one of us :p

[Rethel]

But Finland is least indo-European influenced country in Europe.
They half N1c, half I1 roughly

:)

True, but it is the least Y-IE country, who is the most auIE country. The paradox.

[Rethel]

If N1c was Mongoloid, they would have to look like this:

They did, but during the ages they slowly turn into whites.
I was allready explaining this when and why and when, so
many times, that I really do not have more will to do this
again and again on and on and on...

[Rethel]

Putin is an Indo European Slav

It is not known. He wasn;t tested. But as for now, yes
he is practically - at least he thinks like that. But since
12-15 years saying that someone is because his oldest
ancestor thought he was - is not enugh any longer.

[Rethel]

Hahahah, with 0% indo european slavic look.
He has Karelian and north Russian roots, and N1c dominates there.

He is 90% certainity N1c. Deal with it.

Nope, he is definitly not a Karel, and I did proof
this many times here. His general probability for
being Ugrofinian is only 17-23%, as percentage
in the whole population says.

[Rethel]

This is 100% N1c:

Even this are a litlle influenced by IEs, recent or ancient.


You Poles have some complexes. Is it because Germans declared you subhumans ?

Nope. Becasue Poles are divided on two nations, and this produces some issues
among some people. One want to be in another part, other do not want as they
were raised in wrong eniviroment, or were also, but feel as they were derooted
and have the need to underline their belonging to the original one - this last is
strange, when natives to the group behave like wannabes or converts, but it is
sometimes like that too.

In our case, and think it is only the pressure of Grab
and you, which produces overaverage arguments :)

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Europ needs to be deindoeuropeanized....

why

[Jana]

Oh forget it, I was joking ! / trolling

I even have mtdna from Corded Ware Saxony. and I think my phenotype is IE.
Rethel shouldn't take this bashing seriously....

unlike him, I not serious :)

[Veslan]

No, they are not. Those features are not exclusive to East Asians or east Asian admixed people, and occur in the most isolated and least Mongoloid European countries, such as England and Ireland. Many Mongoloids also lack those features.
They came from Bell-Beakers, who were Alpine admixed, and Alpines very likely were Mongoloid-related i




Laughably wrong, brachycephaly has been in Europe and West Eurasia forever. Even the Neanderthals at Krapina were brachycephalic.

Wrong. All pure Neanderthals were dolichocephalic with occiputal bun. You have taken it from your ass.



Wrong, it was Dolicocephalic, and even today North China is majority Dolicocephalic.
Lol?



It was N1b and N1b is very frequently found in East Eurasians, it's one of those haplogroups that you idiots think is "East Eurasian". Even you admitted you think it is East Eurasian, are you backtracking now?
It was more likely R1a and even if it was N1b than who the fuck cares. y-DNA is meaningless in case of the race, but it's very useful to track back migrations. Modern Finns are for an example over 70% East Asian by y-DNA but also quite Nordish because of Indo-European impact via mtDNA.

[Harkonnen]

GEDmatch kit M483824 - RISE598 Lithuania LBA [908-485 BC]

Eurogenes K36:

Kit Number: M483824

Population
Central_Euro 15.76
East_African 0.50
East_Central_Euro 48.96
Eastern_Euro 18.24
Fennoscandian 4.02
North_Sea 8.20
Volga-Ural 2.17
West_Med 2.15

Compared to modern Balts (Lithuanian data below, for Latvians it is even higher differences):
Central_Euro is down by 8%
East_Central_Euro down by 14%
FennoScandian up by 13%
North Atlantic up by 6%

Instead of Central and East-Central European, modern Balts have extra Fennoscandian.

The extra Fennoscandian admix in modern Balts arrived some time after 500 BC whith N1c1 and Finnish Nordic Gods. These Finnish Nordic Gods formed the uppper class who the local R1a blobheads worshipped as their gods and rulers. THIS IS A GENETIC FACT

[Harkonnen]

They came from Bell-Beakers, who were Alpine admixed, and Alpines very likely were Mongoloid-related i





Wrong. All pure Neanderthals were dolichocephalic with occiputal bun. You have taken it from your ass.



Lol?



It was more likely R1a and even if it was N1b than who the fuck cares. y-DNA is meaningless in case of the race, but it's very useful to track back migrations. Modern Finns are for an example over 70% East Asian by y-DNA but also quite Nordish because of Indo-European impact via mtDNA.

There is no Indo-European admixture in Finns you stupid Polish rat.

[Rethel]

There is no Indo-European admixture in Finns you stupid Polish rat.

:picard2:

[Rethel]

Oh forget it, I was joking!

There is no joking about UgrofiN1ans. They are serious people....

http://quentin.pl/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/admiral-roaring-currents-the.jpg

[Jana]

:picard2:

Mazowia has N1c to some degree :)

[Rethel]

Mazowia has N1c to some degree :)

Yes, even one of the highest.
Why shouldn;t have?

[Ülev]

http://генофонд.рф/wp-content/uploads/2.22-500x500.jpg

[Veslan]

Yes, even one of the highest.
Why shouldn;t have?

No, that's Podlaskie. In proper Mazovia it might be frequent only in Płock region and generally far nothern parts because it was frequently raided by N1c Prussians.

[Harkonnen]

Hahahah, with 0% indo european slavic look.
He has Karelian and north Russian roots, and N1c dominates there.

He is 90% certainity N1c. Deal with it.

lo, Putin looks looks 100% Slavic. He may have some Karelian roots too, but he looks 100% Slavic.

Here he is shaking hands with Matti Vanhanen, Finnish prime minister & actual Karelian:

https://suomenkuvalehti.fi/wp-content/uploads/sk/files/Uutisen%20kuvat/vanhanenputin.jpg

Recap

Karelian look:

https://static.ilcdn.fi/politiikka/matti_etu_310717TMT_pi.jpg

Slavic look:

https://www.nationalvanguard.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Vladimir-Putin-by-K_Strom.jpg

[Jana]

Yes, even one of the highest.
Why shouldn;t have?

You should, because you are mixed with the Balts. N1c in Lithuanians and Poles is of south baltic variety.

[Jana]

lo, Putin looks looks 100% Slavic. He may have some Karelian roots too, but he looks 100% Slavic.

Here he is shaking hands with Matti Vanhanen, Finnish prime minister & actual Karelian:

https://suomenkuvalehti.fi/wp-content/uploads/sk/files/Uutisen%20kuvat/vanhanenputin.jpg

Recap

Karelian look:

https://static.ilcdn.fi/politiikka/matti_etu_310717TMT_pi.jpg

Slavic look:

https://www.nationalvanguard.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Vladimir-Putin-by-K_Strom.jpg

He can't pass outside Russia!
Core slavic area poland-ukraine-belarus....he would look out of place there.

[Rethel]

You should, because you are mixed with the Balts. N1c in Lithuanians and Poles is of south baltic variety.

Ok, but what is the point? I don't get it?
Should I be butthurted about that, or denying it?

[Jana]

Ok, but what is the point? I don't get it?
Should I be butthurted about that, or denying it?

No point. Just say. Bit OK, I have a question: how alien would Putin look in Poland ?
Maybe I'm wrong on this, maybe not.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

lo, Putin looks looks 100% Slavic. He may have some Karelian roots too, but he looks 100% Slavic.

Here he is shaking hands with Matti Vanhanen, Finnish prime minister & actual Karelian:

https://suomenkuvalehti.fi/wp-content/uploads/sk/files/Uutisen%20kuvat/vanhanenputin.jpg

Recap

Karelian look:

https://static.ilcdn.fi/politiikka/matti_etu_310717TMT_pi.jpg

Slavic look:

https://www.nationalvanguard.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Vladimir-Putin-by-K_Strom.jpg

Putin does not look Slavic. Medvedev is more Slavic then Putin.

[Rethel]

No, that's Podlaskie. In proper Mazovia it might be frequent only in Płock region and generally far nothern parts because it was frequently raided by N1c Prussians.

Mazowia was partialy baltic in the early Middle Ages,
and 80% of Prussians who runned into Poland, settled
in Mazowia. This is why we have so much of them. The
proportion of locals maybe is not so big, but they contain
as much as 10% of all polish Ugrofinians - it is quite much...
Podlachia has former Yotvingian settlement so, nothing strange.

Here is, how it looks according to FT DNA (before deportations):

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=65543&d=1499084416

[Rethel]

how alien would Putin look in Poland ?
Maybe I'm wrong on this, maybe not.

For me would be bizzare.
But such people can be find in low %.

[Harkonnen]

No, even by your own bullshit that man cannot be the original N1c. If N1c is East Asian Mongoloid, they must be dolicocephalic and also long faced like modern Yakuts, Kets, etc are.

If N1c was Mongoloid, they would have to look like this:


https://i.ytimg.com/vi/VlNVruvnSwo/maxresdefault.jpg


N1c East Asians are dolicocephalic, long faced, long and narrow nose. That man has European and West Eurasian, not Mongoloid features.


But of course, N1 isn't Mongoloid at all, and Yakuts and Kets got their N1 from Indo-Europeans.

This is indeed spot on, the steppe originated northern Chinese N1 men were longfaced and narrownosed



The Upper Xiajiadian culture (UXC) of the late Bronze Age succeeded the LXC but was completely different from the LXC. The UXC people mainly practiced animal husbandry and made bronze objects decorated with animal and other natural motifs in the style of the Eurasian steppes...The presence of N1 in the UXC might suggest that there is immigration from the north Eurasian steppes during this period."


The results of this study indicate that significant
craniofacial variation exists between southern and
northern Neolithic and Modern Chinese. For example,
northern Chinese have more robust crania than
southern ones. Principal component analyses show
that the Neolithic-North is distinguished from the
Neolithic-South in having a tall face, narrow nose and
high eyes, while the Modern-North separate from the
Modern-South in having a tall, broad face and high
nose. Bivariate plots of selected measures indicate the
northern Chinese are different from the southern
Chinese on cranial length, upper facial height and nasal
height. The Neolithic Chinese between the Qinling
Mountain range and the Yangtze River are mixed with
the North and South. Statistically significant cranio-
metrical differences exist between the Neolithic age
and Modern day groups, and between the northern and
southern Chinese. Temporal variation is also present.
For instance, size decreased through time. However,
some degree of morphological similarity exists
between North and South China, and also between
successive time periods. In the Neolithic sample the
separation is clearer between the northern and
southern samples than with the Modern arrays. During
the Neolithic, the Qinling Mountain Range and the
Yangtze River served as a geographic boundary
between North and South China.

[Veslan]

Mazowia was partialy baltic in the early Middle Ages,
and 80% of Prussians who runned into Poland, settled
in Mazowia. This is why we have so much of them.
In % of locals it is not so much, but 10% of all
polish Ugrofinians lived here - it is quite much...
Podlachia has former Yotvingian settlement so, nothing strange.

Here is, how it looks according to FT DNA (before deportations):

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=65543&d=1499084416
What happened to Małopolskie and Lubelskie? Magyar settlement?

[Rethel]

What happened to Małopolskie and Lubelskie? Magyar settlement?

I guess, probably yes.

As you see, I marked the line of division, where is almost none Ugrofinians.
It seems, like the southern ones would come from Hungary (and maybe, as
I guess, Avars??????) and northern from the finnic wandering across eurasia...
Actually the same cause which influenced Balts. Such geographical difference
has to be explained by different sources, I think.

[Harkonnen]

Putin does not look Slavic. Medvedev is more Slavic then Putin.

Putin looks like these Polish politicians

https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/nintchdbpict000313527550.jpg?strip=all&w=693
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.167139.1314026598!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_750/alg-crash-russia-jpg.jpg
http://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/170724092510-poland-president-duda-large-169.jpg
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015-11/25/134855120_14484952894121n.jpg

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Putin looks like these Polish politicians

https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/nintchdbpict000313527550.jpg?strip=all&w=693
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.167139.1314026598!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_750/alg-crash-russia-jpg.jpg
http://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/170724092510-poland-president-duda-large-169.jpg
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015-11/25/134855120_14484952894121n.jpg

I didn't find them similar. Putin is East Baltid while these Polaks are not.

here are your slavic-looking Russians:

https://ssl.c.photoshelter.com/img-get2/I0000Kt5DPLF0geY/fit=1000x750/Roman-Pavlychenko.jpg

http://st.baskino.co/uploads/images/2014/925/bgjo915.jpg

Putin is far away from slavic-looking i guess.

[Harkonnen]

I didn't find them similar. Putin is East Baltid while these Polaks are not.

here are your slavic-looking Russians:

https://ssl.c.photoshelter.com/img-get2/I0000Kt5DPLF0geY/fit=1000x750/Roman-Pavlychenko.jpg

http://st.baskino.co/uploads/images/2014/925/bgjo915.jpg

Putin is far away from slavic-looking i guess.

He looks Slavic as fuck. Gorbatshov with Koivisto and Holkeri (president and prime minister) in the eighties


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kny732TX3sA

The stupid fuck doesn't believe the phone is real. He thinks it's a gag or some strange magic.

[MissMischief]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hELyxLBXzaU

[Grab the Gauge]

They came from Bell-Beakers, who were Alpine admixed, and Alpines very likely were Mongoloid-related


Wrong. They have zero mongoloid admixture.






Wrong. All pure Neanderthals were dolichocephalic with occiputal bun. You have taken it from your ass.

Wrong. All Neanderthals were brachycephalic. Take it in your ass from Carleton Coon:

http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/chapter-II07.htm


When measured from ophyron, a point on the frontal bone behind the browridges, the crania of these Neanderthals have the following lengths: three males, 193, 186, 187; three females, 185, 183, 186 mm. These are shorter than the French Upper Palaeolithic means, taken from the same point, of 195.6 mm. for males, and 188.6 mm. for females. The cranial indices calculated from these lengths are, in five out of eight Neanderthal cases, above 80.0. Thus there was, in the Neanderthal group as we know it, a brachycranial, or brachycerebral, tendency in brain form. That it may have done so in the case of the French brachycephals, notably Solutré #2, which has a cranial length of 182.5 mm., is by no means more than a suggestion.




Lol?

NordSinid = Dolicocephalic.



It was more likely R1a and even if it was N1b than who the fuck cares. y-DNA is meaningless in case of the race, but it's very useful to track back migrations. Modern Finns are for an example over 70% East Asian by y-DNA but also quite Nordish because of Indo-European impact via mtDNA.

He was N1b my boy, just keep on crying. N1 = Caucasoid.

[Rethel]

He was N1b my boy, just keep on crying. N1 = Caucasoid.

Grab,
the oldest N1 were found in Manchuria.
Basic clades are in Yunnan.
Almost all clades are in yellow Asia.
This one, which is in Europe has also yellow representation.
N is a brother of O.
China has the biggest population, huuugee majority of N.
Yet 1000 years ago N in Europe was just a couple of thousands of people.
Even Finns have 8-10% of mongoloidic admixture which recently came with N.
All ties are to mongoloids, especially, that also Altaic people have it, who are
accused of being one language with uralians or of having some deep connections.
Even national culture of Ugrofinian nations is based on their great trek from deep Asia.

So, just stop it. It has no sense at all.

[Ülev]

what's wrong with Yunnan? They have a good, taste tea!

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/07/GoldenDianHong.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dianhong

[Grab the Gauge]

Grab,
the oldest N1 were found in Machuria.
Basic clades are in Yunnan.
Almost all clades are in yellow Asia.


That whole area was never exclusively Mongoloid. I alreqd showed you the red haired N1b Caucasoid from Mongolia, and R1a is found in Manchuria as well.




Even Finns have 8-10% of mongoloidic admixture which recently came with N.

There is no evidence for that. They have no more Mongoloid admixture than Slavs.


All ties are to mongoloids, especially, that also Altaic people have it, who are
accused of being one language with uralians or of having some deep connections.
Even national culture of Ugrofinian nations is based on their great trek from deep Asia.

So, just stop it. It has no sense at all.

Nope.

[Grab the Gauge]

Even as recently as 1000 years ago there were Caucasoids in Manchuria. Even American ethnographers saw Caucasian admixture there in the 1900s.

This is the imperial bust Wanyan Liang, an emporer of Jin dynasty China. He is Caucasoid, from an Altaic Manchurian tribe (Jurchen)

"East Asia" does not mean "Mongoloid". Stop confusing geography with race, you guys sound like legit 8 year old boys.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wanyan_Liang


http://images2.china.com/mili/zh_cn/history4/62/20140618/r_18569333_2014061809503299442100.jpg

[Harkonnen]

Grab,
the oldest N1 were found in Manchuria.
Basic clades are in Yunnan.
Almost all clades are in yellow Asia.
This one, which is in Europe has also yellow representation.
N is a brother of O.
China has the biggest population, huuugee majority of N.
Yet 1000 years ago N in Europe was just a couple of thousands of people.
Even Finns have 8-10% of mongoloidic admixture which recently came with N.
All ties are to mongoloids, especially, that also Altaic people have it, who are
accused of being one language with uralians or of having some deep connections.
Even national culture of Ugrofinian nations is based on their great trek from deep Asia.

So, just stop it. It has no sense at all.

They found no N1 in North China Neolithic. It was N4. N is divided into N1, N2, N3, N4 and N5. N1c1 can not be derived from N4.

[Rethel]

This is the imperial bust Wanyan Liang, an emporer of Jin dynasty China. He is Caucasoid, from an Altaic Manchurian tribe (Jurchen)

You know, there were Indoeuropean migrations, do you?
And still there are some tribes with R1 even b as majority members?

[Vlatko Vukovic]

There is no evidence for that. They have no more Mongoloid admixture than Slavs.

Slavs are broad term.

Poles and Czechians have no lot contacts with Mongoloids. So your theory is nonsense.

[Veslan]

Wrong. They have zero mongoloid admixture.
If they didn't they wouldn't have multiple mongoloid traits like median fold, broad skull (although proto-Alpines were Mesocephalic like Otzi).







Wrong. All Neanderthals were brachycephalic. Take it in your ass from Carleton Coon:

http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/chapter-II07.htm
Pure Neanderthals? Not at all. Every modern source say they had elongated skull.








NordSinid = Dolicocephalic.
Can't find ay source on this race, but even if it's true Seymino-Turbino Proto-Finnougrians were brachycephalic, of classic Mongoloid race (however it would be called in theapricitian), or more accurately some sort of proto-lappoid.


He was N1b my boy, just keep on crying. N1 = Caucasoid.
Even if it doesn't change anything because N1c Proto-Finnougrians were Mongoloid brachycephals. But he was more likely R1a.

[Harkonnen]

Slavs are broad term.

Poles and Czechians have no lot contacts with Mongoloids. So your theory is nonsense.

All Slavs are very clearly related. You can see it from the outside very easy.