What is the origin of brown hair?

[Raizen]

It seems to be absent outside Caucasoid and Australoid populations. Where, when and why it originated?

http://haircolorideas.org/wp-content/uploads/parser/natural-brown-hair-color-4.jpg

[Iloko]

I've seen some Koreans and Japanese with brown hair before but was never really sure whether it was real or not

[Raizen]

I've seen some Koreans and Japanese with brown hair before but was never really sure whether it was real or not

There is a trend in dyeing hair in Japan and Korea from what i know, even men do it there, i think east asians can't have a shade lighter than a very very dark brown but maybe i'm wrong

[Kouros]

Maybe neanderthals?

[de Burgh II]

Mostly a West Eurasian/Central Asian (Caucasoid) trait in origin via Steppic ancestry. Convergently evolved in some Melanesian populations as well with different genes.


Two types of pigment give hair its color: eumelanin and pheomelanin. Pheomelanin colors hair orange and red. All humans have some pheomelanin in their hair. Eumelanin, which has two subtypes of black or brown, determines the darkness of the hair color. A low concentration of brown eumelanin results in blond hair, whereas a higher concentration of brown eumelanin results in brown hair. High amounts of black eumelanin result in black hair, while low concentrations result in white hair.

Pheomelanin is more bio-chemically stable than black eumelanin, but less bio-chemically stable than brown eumelanin, so it breaks down more slowly when oxidized. This is why bleach gives darker hair a reddish tinge during the artificial coloring process. As the pheomelanin continues to break down, the hair will gradually become red, then orange, then yellow, and finally white.

The genetics of hair colors are not yet firmly established. According to one theory, at least two gene pairs control human hair color.

One phenotype (brown/blonde) has a dominant brown allele and a recessive blond allele. A person with a brown allele will have brown hair; a person with no brown alleles will be blond. This explains why two brown-haired parents can produce a blond-haired child. However, this can only be possible if both parent are heterozygous in hair color- meaning that both of them have one dominant brown hair allele and one recessive allele for blond hair, but as dominant traits mask recessive ones the parents both have brown hair. The possibility of which trait may appear in an offspring can be determined with a Punnett square.

The other gene pair is a non-red/red pair, where the non-red allele (which suppresses production of pheomelanin) is dominant and the allele for red hair is recessive. A person with two copies of the red-haired allele will have red hair.

The two-gene model does not account for all possible shades of brown, blond, or red (for example, platinum blond versus dark blond/light brown), nor does it explain why hair color sometimes darkens as a person ages. Several gene pairs control the light versus dark hair color in a cumulative effect. A person's genotype for a multifactorial trait can interact with the environment to produce varying phenotypes (see quantitative trait locus).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_hair_color

[Raizen]

Maybe neanderthals?

But east asians have more neanderthal than Europeans and they have almost no brown hair

[Raizen]

Mostly a West Eurasian/Central Asian (Caucasoid) trait in origin via Steppic ancestry. Convergently evolved in some Melanesian populations as well with different genes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_hair_color
So someone with brown hair basically have a lot of dark hair genes that are universal for most humans with some light ones via steppe ancestry depending on how dark it is? Do this explains why most europeans are within the brown spectrum?

[Raizen]

Bump, give your opinion guys

[Grab the Gauge]

But east asians have more neanderthal than Europeans and they have almost no brown hair

We did not inherit the same genes from Neanderthals, and East Asians may have inherited DNA from other archaics living in East Asia. Both blond and brown hair were inherited from the European Neanderthals.



Kelso: The main conclusion from our work is that Neandertal DNA contributes to non-disease phenotype variation in present-day people. Neandertal DNA affects skin tone and hair color. We also see effects of Neandertal DNA on height, sleeping patterns, mood, and smoking status in present-day Europeans. Interestingly, multiple Neanderthal alleles at different loci contribute to skin and hair color in present-day Europeans, and these Neanderthal alleles contribute to both lighter and darker skin tones and hair color, suggesting that Neanderthals themselves were possibly variable in these traits.

https://www.researchgate.net/blog/post/neandertal-dna-could-impact-how-you-look


Brown hair is caused by having an intermediate number of Neanderthal alleles that code for light and dark hair, resulting in a blend of black eumelanin and red and yellow phaeomelanin, producing brown hair. The oldest remains ever tested to have brown hair are the Vindija Neanderthals. No Neanderthal tested so far has been shown to have black hair.

[Raizen]

We did not inherit the same genes from Neanderthals, and East Asians may have inherited DNA other archaics living in East Asia. Both blond and brown hair were inherited from the European Neanderthals.




https://www.researchgate.net/blog/post/neandertal-dna-could-impact-how-you-look

Brown hair is caused by having an intermediate number of Neanderthal alleles that code for light and dark hair, resulting in a blend of black eumelanin and red and yellow phaeomelanin, producing brown hair. The oldest remains ever tested to have brown hair are the Vindija Neanderthals.

So this belief that blond hair originated in indo-europeans is bullshit? Thanks for the response man

[Grab the Gauge]

So this belief that blond hair originated in indo-europeans is bullshit? Thanks for the response man


No, blond hair definitely originated in Proto-Indo Europeans. No Neanderthal has been shown to have blond hair (yet). But the genes for blond hair came from Neanderthals.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afontova_Gora#Afontova_Gora_3

The spread of blond hair across central Asia and Europe never would have happened if not for Indo Europeans.


Neanderthal genes for hair seem to be associated with a reduction of black hair:

https://api.23andme.com/res/pdf/23-05_neanderthal_ancestry_inference.pdf

[Raizen]

No, blond hair definitely originated in Proto-Indo Europeans. No Neanderthal has been shown to have blond hair (yet). But the genes for blond hair came from Neanderthals.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afontova_Gora#Afontova_Gora_3

The spread of blond hair across central Asia and Europe never would have happened if not for Indo Europeans.


Neanderthal genes for hair seem to be associated with a reduction of black hair:

https://api.23andme.com/res/pdf/23-05_neanderthal_ancestry_inference.pdf

So, in the end, almost every european have some Indo-European blond hair genes, because the great majority have some shade of brown, but in the south it's overwhelmed by black hair genes, right? This also explain why two dark haired european parents commonly have children with blond hair that becames darker later

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_hair

Brown-haired individuals predominate in most parts of Europe. In northern and central Europe medium to light brown shades are the most common, while darker shades prevail in the rest of the continent, especially in the Iberian Peninsula, where it transitions into black hair. Brown hair, mostly medium to light brown shades, are also dominant in Australia, Canada and the United States among descendants of the Northern, Central and Eastern European (British, German, Polish, and Russian) immigrants.

[de Burgh II]

So someone with brown hair basically have a lot of dark hair genes that are universal for most humans with some light ones via steppe ancestry depending on how dark it is? Do this explains why most europeans are within the brown spectrum?

Basically, the genetics behind hair color is polygenic; meaning that, the determinants responsible for hair color is controlled by two or more genes. Thus, each hair color is co-dominant with one another as a stabilized blend harmoniously with one another if you have the genetics for it. Brown hair has a very varied spectrum from light to dark brown, brown with reddish coloring (auburn hair), brown-blonde mix, etc. depending on your genes for your hair color.

Even though Europeans are quite close genetically, they are probably the most phenotypically diverse population on this planet when it comes to genetics for hair color and eye color you won't find anywhere when you go by unmixed standards with other populations.


This ancestry appears in Central Europe for the first time in our series with the Corded Ware around 2,500 BC (Supplementary Information section 6, Fig. 2b). The Corded Ware shared elements of material culture with steppe groups such as the Yamnaya although whether this reflects movements of people has been contentious 21. Our genetic data provide direct evidence of migra-tion and suggest that it was relatively sudden. The Corded Ware are genetically closest to the Yamnaya, 2,600 km away, as inferred both from PCA and ADMIXTURE (Fig. 2) and FST (0.0116, 0.002) (Extended Data Table 3). If continuous gene flow from the east, rather than migra-tion, had occurred, we would expect successive cultures in Europe to become increasingly differentiated from the Middle Neolithic, but instead, the Corded Ware are both the earliest and most strongly differentiated from the Middle Neolithic population. [...]

https://s8.postimg.org/6xvxhifyd/Untitled.jpg

Our results support a view of European pre-history punctuated by
two major migrations: first, the arrival of the first farmers during the
Early Neolithic from the Near East, and second, the arrival of Yamnaya
pastoralists during the Late Neolithic from the steppe. Our data further
show that both migrations were followed by resurgences of the previous
inhabitants: first, during the Middle Neolithic, when hunter-gatherer
ancestry rose again after its Early Neolithic decline, and then between
the Late Neolithic and the present, when farmer and hunter-gatherer
ancestry rose after its Late Neolithic decline. This second resurgence
must have started during the Late Neolithic/Bronze Age period itself,
as the Bell Beaker and Unetice groups had reduced Yamnaya ancestry
compared to the earlier Corded Ware, and comparable levels to that in
some present-day Europeans (Fig. 3). Today, Yamnaya related ances-
try is lower in southern Europe and higher in northern Europe, and all
European populations can be modelled as a three-way mixture of WHG,
Early Neolithic, and Yamnaya, whereas some outlier populations show
evidence for additional admixture with populations from Siberia and
the Near East (Extended Data Fig. 3, Supplementary Information sec-
tion 9). Further data are needed to determine whether the steppe ances-
try arrived in southern Europe at the time of the Late Neolithic/Bronze
Age, or is due to migrations in later times from northern Europe
25,26. [...]

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http://genetics.med.harvard.edu/reichlab/Reich_Lab/Datasets_files/nature14317.pdf

As you can see, as the excerpt reiterates verbatim above, all Europeans have substantial Steppe ancestry besides Sardinians whom are mostly Neolithic and WHG ancestry with little Steppic ancestry.

[Grab the Gauge]

So, in the end, almost every european have some Indo-European blond hair genes, because the great majority have some shade of brown, but in the south it's overwhelmed by black hair genes, right? This also explain why two dark haired european parents commonly have children with blond hair that becames darker later

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_hair

Approximately, yes.

Another thing I forgot to mention was that the first Denisova girl, as well as the Altai Neanderthal, were tested and hypothesized to have brown hair. My earlier statement (Vindija Neanderthals as the oldest to have blond hair) was incorrect. I should have worded my first post differently.

[Raizen]

Approximately, yes.

Another thing I forgot to mention was that the first Denisova girl, as well as the Altai Neanderthal, were tested and hypothesized to have brown hair. My earlier statement (Vindija Neanderthals as the oldest to have blond hair) was incorrect. I should have worded my first post differently.

Thanks for the explanation, now i see that basically every color between the pure blond and black is a mix in different percentages of the two, very interesting

[Raizen]

Basically, the genetics behind hair color is polygenic; meaning that, the determinants responsible for hair color is controlled by two or more genes. Thus, each hair color is co-dominant with one another as a stabilized blend harmoniously with one another if you have the genetics for it. Brown hair has a very varied spectrum from light to dark brown, brown with reddish coloring (auburn hair), brown-blonde mix, etc. depending on your genes for your hair color.

Even though Europeans are quite close genetically, they are probably the most phenotypically diverse population on this planet when it comes to genetics for hair color and eye color you won't find anywhere when you go by unmixed standards with other populations.
http://genetics.med.harvard.edu/reichlab/Reich_Lab/Datasets_files/nature14317.pdf

As you can see, as the excerpt reiterates verbatim above, all Europeans have substantial Steppe ancestry besides Sardinians whom are mostly Neolithic and WHG ancestry with little Steppic ancestry.

Thanks for the elaborate response! The Steppe ancestry seems to correspond very well with how light on average is the hair of European countries, like a fluid transition from dark brown, with little steppe input, to medium brown, a intermediate, and then blond hair.

[Rethel]

So this belief that blond hair originated in indo-europeans is bullshit?

Absolutly not.

[Maintenance]

I1

[Rethel]

I1

Nope. They were black haired.

[Raizen]

Absolutly not.

Ok, so what is the origin of brown hair?

[Rethel]

Ok, so what is the origin of brown hair?

Probably IEs.
Maybe also G-farmers had something, but if, then this
browness you would call rather black than brown.

[Raizen]

Probably IEs.
Maybe also G-farmers had something, but if, then this
browness you would call rather black than brown.

So brown hair = IE + native european? By brown i refer to dark brown to light brown hair

[Rethel]

So brown hair = IE + native european? By brown i refer to dark brown to light brown hair

don;t use the term native euroepan becasue it is meaningless.
The first people living ion Europe were brown skinned and black haired.

IEs had all colours of hair, so, also brown.
"Native europeans" as you call them left rather blackhairness.
Farmers, which where a third or fourth wave of people, could have dark brawn, which people usually call black.
At beast (natuiraly, without admixes) they could have a minority of people like that:

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/f/f4/Mirri_Maz_Duur.png/revision/latest?cb=20160708040349

[Raizen]

don;t use the term native euroepan becasue it is meaningless.
The first people living ion Europe were brown skinned and black haired.

IEs had all colours of hair, so, also brown.
"Native europeans" as you call them left rather blackhairness.
Farmers, which where a third or fourth wave of people, could have dark brawn, which people usually call black.
At beast (natuiraly, without admixes) they could have a minority of people like that:
Ok, so a minority of Neolithic farmers could have had brown hair but, today almost every european have some shade of brown with lighter shades depending on how much IE ancestry the country have on average according to other guys here, so most modern Europeans inherited IE hair genes?

[Rethel]

Ok, so a minority of Neolithic farmers could have had brown hair but, today almost every european have some shade of brown with lighter shades depending on how much IE ancestry the country have on average according to other guys here, so most modern Europeans inherited IE hair genes?

Hard to say, as majority probably have "black" hair.
Blond, dark blond, orange, red, light brown and maybe middle are exclusivly from IEs.
Dark brown and black in majority from OEs, but partialy also from IEs I guess.

[Ülev]

:picard2:

[Raizen]

Hard to say, as majority probably have "black" hair.
Blond, dark blond, orange, red, light brown and maybe middle and exclusivly from IEs.
Dark brown and black i majority from OEs, but partialy also from IEs I guess.

Yes if you consider dark brown hair as black, to me brown hair follows very well where indo-europeans settled with exception of australoids and some minority africans. People said that it's a mixture of eumelanin of black hair with pheomelanin of blond and red hair so basically a mixture of the two in different quantities depending on shade


Brown-haired individuals predominate in most parts of Europe. In northern and central Europe medium to light brown shades are the most common, while darker shades prevail in the rest of the continent, especially in the Iberian Peninsula, where it transitions into black hair.[5] Brown hair, mostly medium to light brown shades, are also dominant in Australia, Canada and the United States among descendants of the Northern, Central and Eastern European (British, German, Polish, and Russian) immigrants.

Dark brown hair is predominant in the Mediterranean parts of Europe, the Middle East, Central Asia, Central Africa and in parts of South Asia. Very dark brown hair, easily mistaken for black hair, can be found occasionally in parts of East Asia.[6] This is also true of Southern Cone of South America (Chile, Argentina, Uruguay ,central-southern Brazil) and Pakistan.

[Raizen]

:picard2:

:picard2:

[Ülev]

:picard2:

it's obvious that brown hair came with Pleiadians (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Pleiadians)

http://www.transients.info/roundtable/data/attachments/1/1601-1bd99dc746c6bb48556cc736ded5cb14.jpg
http://www.transients.info/roundtable/threads/pictures-of-the-pleiadians.1558/

[Raizen]

it's obvious that brown hair came with Pleiadians (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Pleiadians)

http://www.transients.info/roundtable/data/attachments/1/1601-1bd99dc746c6bb48556cc736ded5cb14.jpg
http://www.transients.info/roundtable/threads/pictures-of-the-pleiadians.1558/
:picard2:
brown hair comes from G farmer ubermensch

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/52/6c/93/526c9345ef5e454877c3492a6ee01450.jpg

[Grab the Gauge]

This paper published October of 2017 pretty much shows that brown hair colors, as well as red and blond hair colors in modern Europeans, are Neanderthal introgression. Not everyone with Neanderthal DNA has light hair color, but without Neanderthal DNA we could never have a shade of hair color other than black.

http://www.cell.com/ajhg/pdf/S0002-9297(17)30379-8.pdf

The earliest known blond hair fossil (Afontova Gora 3) as well as light brown haired P.I,E.s, did have more Neanderthal introgression than modern humans, and may have had DNA from from Neanderthals living that far North, who could have been blond and light brown haired. There is some evidence of Neanderthals living above the 60th parallel in Russia, but only in the form of stone tools, not human fossils.


https://www.researchgate.net/publication/285308563_Susiluola_Byzovaya_and_the_question_of_t he_northern_limit_of_the_Neanderthal_area


Regardless, Indo Europeans are definitely the ones who spread blond hair from Russia to the rest of Eurasia.

[Raizen]

This paper published October of 2017 pretty much shows that brown hair colors, as well as red and blond hair colors in modern Europeans, are Neanderthal introgression. Not everyone with Neanderthal DNA has light hair color, but without Neanderthal DNA we could never have a shade of hair color other than black.

http://www.cell.com/ajhg/pdf/S0002-9297(17)30379-8.pdf

The earliest known blond hair fossil (Afontova Gora 3) as well as light brown haired P.I,E.s, did have more Neanderthal introgression than modern humans, and may have had DNA from from Neanderthals living that far North, who could have been blond and light brown haired. There is some evidence of Neanderthals living above the 60th parallel in Russia, but only in the form of stone tools, not human fossils.


https://www.researchgate.net/publication/285308563_Susiluola_Byzovaya_and_the_question_of_t he_northern_limit_of_the_Neanderthal_area


Regardless, Indo Europeans are definitely the ones who spread blond hair from Russia to the rest of Eurasia.

Grab, so did indo-europeans invaded and mixed in middle east and south asia too? Because people seem to have brown hair there
According to wikipedia brown hair is found in south asia, middle eastern, europe and americas, it seems to correspond very well with indo european languages and De Burgh showed that northern europeans are more Indo-European so it makes sense that their hair is blond or light brown and others from the south, with less of it, have dark brown, sometimes medium brown, and a black minority

According to it: Brown hair is common among populations in the Western world, especially among those from Central Europe, Southeastern Europe, Eastern Europe, Southern Europe, Southern Cone, the United States, and also some populations in the Greater Middle East where it transitions smoothly into black hair.

[SardiniaAtlantis]

Drinking too much chocolate milk turned hair brown.

[Hanuman]

Maybe neanderthals?

Neanderthals were blonde.

[Raizen]

Hair pigmentation doesn't seems to help in nothing as it is dead cells so why the fuck brown and blond hair developed?

[Dick]

http://haircolorideas.org/wp-content/uploads/parser/natural-brown-hair-color-4.jpg

She's hot. Who is she.

[Raizen]

She's hot. Who is she.

Don't know just typed brown hair and she popped up :victory0:

[Rethel]

Grab, so did indo-europeans invaded and mixed in middle east and south asia too?

Did not?

[Raizen]

Did not?

Don't know, they did?

[jingorex]

:picard2:
brown hair comes from G farmer ubermensch




Bitch, i would fuck your wife and make you hold my balls as i did it.

Then i would wipe my cock off on your curtains and take a shit in the toilet and not flush.

And you would be thankful i let you live.

[Raizen]

Bitch, i would fuck your wife and make you hold my balls as i did it.

Then i would wipe my cock off on your curtains and take a shit in the toilet and not flush.

And you would be thankful i let you live.

:aufsmaul_2:

[Rethel]

Don't know, they did?

Did.

[LieDetector]

This paper published October of 2017 pretty much shows that brown hair colors, as well as red and blond hair colors in modern Europeans, are Neanderthal introgression. Not everyone with Neanderthal DNA has light hair color, but without Neanderthal DNA we could never have a shade of hair color other than black.

http://www.cell.com/ajhg/pdf/S0002-9297(17)30379-8.pdf

The earliest known blond hair fossil (Afontova Gora 3) as well as light brown haired P.I,E.s, did have more Neanderthal introgression than modern humans, and may have had DNA from from Neanderthals living that far North, who could have been blond and light brown haired. There is some evidence of Neanderthals living above the 60th parallel in Russia, but only in the form of stone tools, not human fossils.


https://www.researchgate.net/publication/285308563_Susiluola_Byzovaya_and_the_question_of_t he_northern_limit_of_the_Neanderthal_area


Regardless, Indo Europeans are definitely the ones who spread blond hair from Russia to the rest of Eurasia.

https://www.livescience.com/60691-hair-color-sleep-habits-linked-to-neanderthals.html

[Kelmendasi]

:picard2:
brown hair comes from G farmer ubermensch

[ig]https://i.pinimg.com/originals/52/6c/93/526c9345ef5e454877c3492a6ee01450.jpg[/img]
Nibba G farmers have nothing to do with Sikhs

[Finnish Swede]

Drinking too much chocolate milk turned hair brown.

You're kidding, right?
Atleast coffee has not yet done that.

[spik]

Central Asia

[Raizen]

Central Asia

why?

[Finnish Swede]

No, blond hair definitely originated in Proto-Indo Europeans. No Neanderthal has been shown to have blond hair (yet). But the genes for blond hair came from Neanderthals.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afontova_Gora#Afontova_Gora_3

The spread of blond hair across central Asia and Europe never would have happened if not for Indo Europeans.


Neanderthal genes for hair seem to be associated with a reduction of black hair:

https://api.23andme.com/res/pdf/23-05_neanderthal_ancestry_inference.pdf

How to explain Finland's highest % of blonde hairs people in Europe and smallers % of R1 haplogroup men in Europe (= Indo Europeans influences)?

[Harkonnen]

How to explain Finland's highest % of blonde hairs people in Europe and smallers % of R1 haplogroup men in Europe (= Indo Europeans influences)?

They are talking about the shit-blonde hair. Real blonde hair has nothing to do with those guys + the fookers were browneyed.

[Porn Master]

brown hair = celtic trait

[Rethel]

How to explain Finland's highest % of blonde hairs people in Europe and smallers % of R1 haplogroup men in Europe (= Indo Europeans influences)?

Founder effect.

Whole Scandia was totaly indoeuropeanized at the end of Neolithic.

Common ancestor of all I1 lived much later, in 1165 BC, probably soemwhere in Pannonia.
It means, that ancestor of scandian I1a is much younger.

The same with Finnish N which lived 3000-4000 years ago, somewhere on the East.
Becasue of latest geentic discoveries, I became convinst, that Ugrofinians did not
eve where in Finland yet 2000 years ago - maybe in northern Russia.

[Harkonnen]

Word of advice Finnish Swede: Never trust a word a Polish rat says. They are a race of natural born liars and thieves.

[Rethel]

Word of advice Finnish Swede: Never trust a word a Polish rat says. They are a race of natural born liars and thieves.

So listen to your bro...
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jaeSHfNTuQ)

[Harkonnen]

So listen to your bro...
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jaeSHfNTuQ)

He says that because he has been reading too much Eurogenes, ie Polish propaganda machine.

[Rethel]

He says that because he has been reading too much Eurogenes, ie Polish propaganda machine.

:bored:

I want to inform you, that he is NOT R1.

[Harkonnen]

:bored:

I want to inform you, that he is NOT R1.

Dude you are dumb as boots just like proto-IE were.

[ALL]

:bored:

I want to inform you, that he is NOT R1.

Why does Harkonnen spend so much time on these subjects, and dialogue in European language?

[Harkonnen]

Why does Harkonnen spend so much time on these subjects, and dialogue in European language?

What the hell is your problem you fucking Polak retard?

[Rethel]

Why does Harkonnen spend so much time on these subjects, and dialogue in European language?

No i ci wyjaśnił :laugh:

[Harkonnen]

Why does Harkonnen spend so much time on these subjects, and dialogue in European language?

Are you about to go on a genocidal rampage?

[Finnish Swede]

Founder effect.

Whole Scandia was totaly indoeuropeanized at the end of Neolithic.

If they have been able to transfer their blonde hair genes to dark haired I1 men and N1C1 men...then there had been a alot of those (at one time).
If true....where they went/dissapeared (incl. their own Y-halogroup)?

[Peterski]

He says that because he has been reading too much Eurogenes, ie Polish propaganda machine.

And he isn't your bro. I think he is British.

[Rethel]

If true....where they went/dissapeared (incl. their own Y-halogroup)?

Still are, but in lower propotion.

For example the final transmission in Finland happend in XVIII and XIXth centuries
In XVIII century falf of the population died out becasue of war - obviously in huge
majority men, and in majority from higher classes, and in XIXth century another 15%
died in deasise. Yet then Finss were counted and discribed as mongoloids. But so huge
events left many single women, who becasue of lack of men of their own status, had to
marry into lower classes or neighbour tribe, for surviveing. And such events happen also
in the deeper past - many of them. And take unto account that 1000 years ago population
of Finland counted 20,000 people. So, it was more easier to change the racial structure of
the country during last 1000 years.

[Finnish Swede]

Still are, but in lower propotion.

For example the final transmission in Finland happend in XVIII and XIXth centuries
In XVIII century falf of the population died out becasue of war - obviously in huge
majority men, and in majority from higher classes, and in XIXth century another 15%
died in deasise. Yet then Finss were counted and discribed as mongoloids. But so huge
events left many single women, who becasue of lack of men of their own status, had to
marry into lower classes or neighbour tribe, for surviveing. And such events happen also
in the deeper past - many of them. And take unto account that 1000 years ago population
of Finland counted 20,000 people. So, it was more easier to change the racial structure of
the country during last 1000 years.

I have seen/heard about that. And I agree, there might be some trueness behind of that. But still...the change should have been SO dramatical. And that's why I do't believe that is the whole picture. Something is still missing (what comes to Finns).

[Harkonnen]

Founder effect.

Whole Scandia was totaly indoeuropeanized at the end of Neolithic.

Common ancestor of all I1 lived much later, in 1165 BC, probably soemwhere in Pannonia.
It means, that ancestor of scandian I1a is much younger.

The same with Finnish N which lived 3000-4000 years ago, somewhere on the East.
Becasue of latest geentic discoveries, I became convinst, that Ugrofinians did not
eve where in Finland yet 2000 years ago - maybe in northern Russia.

First of 4500 years ago N1c1 was in Belarus (Smolensk, Serteya).

Second. Indo-Europeans were browneyed and they had rat-colored hair which people for some reason now call "blond".

What I agree on is that the high levels blondism could be due to Iron Age founder effect. But again this has nothing to do with r1etards.

[Harkonnen]

Still are, but in lower propotion.

For example the final transmission in Finland happend in XVIII and XIXth centuries
In XVIII century falf of the population died out becasue of war - obviously in huge
majority men, and in majority from higher classes, and in XIXth century another 15%
died in deasise. Yet then Finss were counted and discribed as mongoloids. But so huge
events left many single women, who becasue of lack of men of their own status, had to
marry into lower classes or neighbour tribe, for surviveing. And such events happen also
in the deeper past - many of them. And take unto account that 1000 years ago population
of Finland counted 20,000 people. So, it was more easier to change the racial structure of
the country during last 1000 years.

LMAO at the shit you sprout from your rat mouth. You do understand we have extremely accurate geneological records from where to check FACTS.

[Pahli]

First of 4500 years ago N1c1 was in Belarus (Smolensk, Serteya).

Second. Indo-Europeans were browneyed and they had rat-colored hair which people for some reason now call "blond".

What I agree on is that the high levels blondism could be due to Iron Age founder effect. But again this has nothing to do with r1etards.

Blondism = ANE, and they were heavily admixed into both CHG and EHG, they predate Indo-Europeans by thousands of years lol

[Harkonnen]

Blondism = ANE, and they were heavily admixed into both CHG and EHG, they predate Indo-Europeans by thousands of years lol

True blondism has nothing to do with ANE. What they are speaking of is that rat-colored hair. Use your fucking eyes.

[ALL]

And he isn't your bro. I think he is British.

I'm curious, is he even related to Europeans? No genetics information, only brave enough to post without showing what community he belongs to. Avatar isn't even amusing for a European forum :picard2: