Gagauz people admixture

[TheForeigner]

The Gagauz people are Turkic people, but are also Orthodox Christians and cluster genetically with other Balkaners. But they are still Turkic. So how much Mongoloid admixture do they have? I am 1/4 Gagauz myself and have not been dna tested, so I have no idea myself.

[Bornoz]

The Gagauz people are Turkic people, but are also Orthodox Christians and cluster genetically with other Balkaners. But they are still Turkic. So how much Mongoloid admixture do they have? I am 1/4 Gagauz myself and have not been dna tested, so I have no idea myself.

Similiar with us. 0-20%

[Maintenance]

0-3%?

[Sora]

Unfortunately, they have 0%-5% Mongoloid in themselves. Maybe they're mixture of Turkics and Balkanites. Or 3/4 Balkanite and 1/4 Turkic

[BalkanTurk]

The Gagauz people are Turkic people, but are also Orthodox Christians and cluster genetically with other Balkaners. But they are still Turkic. So how much Mongoloid admixture do they have? I am 1/4 Gagauz myself and have not been dna tested, so I have no idea myself.

Please take a test so we can find out. Never seen any Gagauz DNA test results.

[Jana]

Similiar with us. 0-20%
They arent, Anatolian Turks are much more mongoloid. Gagauz score little bit over 1% Siberian on MDLP K16, similar like Romanians (but that calculator underestimate east eurasian admix I think).

[TheForeigner]

Please take a test so we can find out. Never seen any Gagauz DNA test results.

I am only 1/4 Gagauz and Romanians also score a little Mongoloid.

[Bornoz]

They arent, Anatolian Turks are much more mongoloid. Gagauz score little bit over 1% Siberian on MDLP K16, similar like Romanians (but that calculator underestimamte east eurasian admix I think).

That depends on person. There are Anatolian Turks with 0% mongoloid mixture too.

[TheForeigner]

double post sorry

[TheForeigner]

They arent, Anatolian Turks are much more mongoloid. Gagauz score little bit over 1% Siberian on MDLP K16, similar like Romanians (but that calculator underestimate east eurasian admix I think).

Wow just a little over 1%! They must have verry little Turkic blood in them.

[Jana]

Gagauz on MDLP K23b (I left out all components below 1%)

Gagauz

Ancestral_Altaic 1.23
South_Central_Asian 3.08
Caucasian 39.90
European_Early_Farmers 16.81
Near_East 6.10
North_African 1.87
European_Hunters_Gatherers 27.52

Their mongoloid components:

South_East_Asian 0.45
Tungus_Altaic 0.12
Paleo_Siberian 0.13
East_Siberian 0.62
Arctic 0.14
Amerindian 0.29

They don't differ genetically from Romanians and Bulgarians despite they're Turkic.

[Jana]

That depends on person. There are Anatolian Turks with 0% mongoloid mixture too.
Ofcourse, but that mean they are assimilated people. All ethnic Anatolian Turks score significant east eurasian admixture.

[Bornoz]

Ofcourse, but that mean they are assimilated people. All ethnic Anatolian Turks score significant east eurasian admixture.

Like we are something else :lol:

[Jana]

Like we are something else :lol:
If you are 0% mongoloid, you aren't Turkic, at least not by ancestry

[Gangrel]

That depends on person. There are Anatolian Turks with 0% mongoloid mixture too.

Tbh any Turk with 0% Mongoloid is just Turkified non-Turk

[Maintenance]

Lol im more turkic

[Bornoz]

If you are 0% mongoloid, you aren't Turkic, at least not by ancestry

''The Turkic peoples are a collection of ethno-linguistic groups of Central, Eastern, Northern and Western Asia as well as parts of Europe and North Africa. They speak related languages belonging to the Turkic language family.[27] As racial purity has never been a Turkic membership criterion, many vastly differing ethnic groups have throughout history become part of the Turkic peoples through language shift, acculturation, adoption and religious conversion in a process called Turkification. In their genetic compositions, therefore, most Turkic groups differ significantly in origins from one group to the next, lacking one single historical founder population. Despite this, many do share, to varying degrees, non-linguistic characteristics, including certain cultural traits, some ancestry from a common gene pool, and historical experiences. The most notable modern Turkic-speaking ethnic groups include Turkish people, Azerbaijanis, Uzbeks, Kazakhs, Turkmen and Kyrgyz people.''

You don't need a spesific genetic building to be Turkic. We have nothing common with Kazakhs but we both are Turkic. This is not a problem for anybody in the world but I don't know why when it comes to Gagauzes even in Wikipedia it writes ''Finally, the phylogenetic analysis of Y-DNA situates Gagauzes most proximal to Macedonians, Serbs and other Balkan populations, resulting in a high genetic distance from the Turkish people and other Turkic peoples.'' Why? :lol:

[Bornoz]

Tbh any Turk with 0% Mongoloid is just Turkified non-Turk

Sende ne kadar çıktı Mongoloid?

[Gangrel]

Sende ne kadar çıktı Mongoloid?

8%

[TheForeigner]

So maybe they are just linguistically Turkified Bulgarians and Romanians.

[gültekin]

Tbh any Turk with 0% Mongoloid is just Turkified non-Turk
or grasping foreign mommis for 500 years would make you fit for buttlerking standarts

[Maintenance]

8%

Post your 23b i wanna see whos the real turk you or me xD

[Jana]

''The Turkic peoples are a collection of ethno-linguistic groups of Central, Eastern, Northern and Western Asia as well as parts of Europe and North Africa. They speak related languages belonging to the Turkic language family.[27] As racial purity has never been a Turkic membership criterion, many vastly differing ethnic groups have throughout history become part of the Turkic peoples through language shift, acculturation, adoption and religious conversion in a process called Turkification. In their genetic compositions, therefore, most Turkic groups differ significantly in origins from one group to the next, lacking one single historical founder population. Despite this, many do share, to varying degrees, non-linguistic characteristics, including certain cultural traits, some ancestry from a common gene pool, and historical experiences. The most notable modern Turkic-speaking ethnic groups include Turkish people, Azerbaijanis, Uzbeks, Kazakhs, Turkmen and Kyrgyz people.''

You don't need a spesific genetic building to be Turkic. We have nothing common with Kazakhs but we both are Turkic. This is not a problem for anybody in the world but I don't know why when it comes to Gagauzes even in Wikipedia it writes ''Finally, the phylogenetic analysis of Y-DNA situates Gagauzes most proximal to Macedonians, Serbs and other Balkan populations, resulting in a high genetic distance from the Turkish people and other Turkic peoples.'' Why? :lol:

I didn't say anything about linguisitc group. Gagauz are Turks because they are Turkic speakers. And they very likely have some (MINOR)turkic admixture, because even romanians and bulgarians have, too.
But it is fact that Anatolian Turk with 0% mongoloid isn't turkic by ancestry. All ethnic Turks have significant turkic ancestry, and turkic ancestry isn't only east eurasian because they werent 100% mongoloid. But 0% is simply impossible low to be turk by blood.

[Gangrel]

Post your 23b i wanna see whos the real turk you or me xD
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 37.04
2 South_Central_Asian 21.83
3 European_Early_Farmers 11.37
4 Near_East 10.81
5 Ancestral_Altaic 3.59
6 European_Hunters_Gatherers 3.57
7 Tungus-Altaic 3.31
8 South_Indian 2.57
9 East_Siberian 2.13
10 Austronesian 1.35
11 South_East_Asian 1.04
12 Subsaharian 0.41
13 Khoisan 0.38
14 Arctic 0.26
15 Paleo_Siberian 0.16
16 North_African 0.12
17 Melano_Polynesian 0.04
18 Archaic_African 0.02

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Azeri_ @ 7.611535
2 Kurd_North_ @ 7.656761
3 Turk_Adana_ @ 7.831009
4 Turk_Kayseri_ @ 8.633639
5 Kurd_South_ @ 8.707616
6 Kurd_East_ @ 9.271232
7 Uzbek_Tashkent_ @ 9.683194
8 Turk_ @ 10.139632
9 Kurd_ @ 10.326406
10 Uzbekistani_Jew_ @ 11.343413
11 Baku_WGA_ @ 11.740556
12 Georgian_Jew_ @ 11.926341
13 Assyrian_Iraqi_ @ 12.31306
14 Iraqi_Chaldean_ @ 12.511136
15 Turk_Istanbul_ @ 13.392895
16 Iranian_ @ 13.558042
17 Kurd_Jew_ @ 13.749317
18 Turk_Aydin_ @ 13.960522
19 Iraqi_Mandean_ @ 14.185303
20 Iraki_ @ 14.535637

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Kurd_South_ +50% Turk_Kayseri_ @ 5.425022


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Kurd_ +25% Greek_Smyrna_ +25% Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.263604


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++
1 Assyrian_Iraqi_ + Greek_Smyrna_ + Kurd_ + Tajik_Afghan_ @ 3.930875
2 Assyrian_Iraqi_ + Greek_Smyrna_ + Kurd_East_ + Tajik_Afghan_ @ 4.106127
3 Assyrian_Iraqi_ + Baku_WGA_ + Greek_Smyrna_ + Tajik_Afghan_ @ 4.126226
4 Assyrian_Iraqi_ + Azeri_ + Greek_Smyrna_ + Tajik_Afghan_ @ 4.149544
5 Assyrian_Iraqi_ + Azeri_ + Greek_Smyrna_ + Uzbek_Afghan_ @ 4.165126
6 Greek_Smyrna_ + Kurd_ + Kurd_East_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.20874
7 Assyrian_Iraqi_ + Greek_Smyrna_ + Kurd_ + Uzbek_Afghan_ @ 4.209635
8 Greek_Smyrna_ + Kurd_ + Tajik_Afghan_ + Turk_Kayseri_ @ 4.212883
9 Assyrian_Iraqi_ + Greek_Smyrna_ + Kurd_North_ + Tajik_Afghan_ @ 4.231299
10 Assyrian_Iraqi_ + Baku_WGA_ + Greek_Smyrna_ + Uzbek_Afghan_ @ 4.237329
11 Armenian_ + Greek_Smyrna_ + Kurd_East_ + Tajik_Afghan_ @ 4.242789
12 Greek_Smyrna_ + Kurd_ + Kurd_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.263604
13 Armenian_Yerevan_ + Greek_Smyrna_ + Kurd_East_ + Tajik_Afghan_ @ 4.288088
14 Greek_Smyrna_ + Kurd_ + Turk_Kayseri_ + Uzbek_Afghan_ @ 4.288134
15 Greek_Smyrna_ + Iraqi_Chaldean_ + Kurd_ + Tajik_Afghan_ @ 4.293551
16 Greek_Smyrna_ + Jew_Tat_ + Kurd_ + Tajik_Afghan_ @ 4.298003
17 Armenian_ + Greek_Smyrna_ + Kurd_East_ + Uzbek_Afghan_ @ 4.303596
18 Assyrian_Iraqi_ + Greek_Smyrna_ + Tajik_Afghan_ + Uzbek_Tashkent_ @ 4.310886
19 Greek_Smyrna_ + Kurd_East_ + Kurd_East_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.317915
20 Armenian_ + Greek_Smyrna_ + Kurd_South_ + Tajik_Afghan_ @ 4.322683

[Kriptc06]

Gagauz on MDLP K23b (I left out all components below 1%)

Gagauz

Ancestral_Altaic 1.23
South_Central_Asian 3.08
Caucasian 39.90
European_Early_Farmers 16.81
Near_East 6.10
North_African 1.87
European_Hunters_Gatherers 27.52

Their mongoloid components:

South_East_Asian 0.45
Tungus_Altaic 0.12
Paleo_Siberian 0.13
East_Siberian 0.62
Arctic 0.14
Amerindian 0.29

They don't differ genetically from Romanians and Bulgarians despite they're Turkic.

can you share the kit number?

[Jana]

can you share the kit number?
That's from spreadsheet :)

[Maintenance]

# Population Percent
5 Ancestral_Altaic 3.59
7 Tungus-Altaic 3.31
9 East_Siberian 2.13
14 Arctic 0.26
15 Paleo_Siberian 0.16

Ancestral_Altaic 5.89
Arctic 1.4
Paleo_Siberian 1.08
East_Siberian 1.05



I don't know if siberian is turkic or russki :confused:

[Bornoz]

Tbh any Turk with 0% Mongoloid is just Turkified non-Turk

Kardeşim, Türk'ün atası bu adamdır.
https://cf.kizlarsoruyor.com/q3906976/20e2bba5-9808-4b63-8adc-e51a32bb609e.jpg

Ama hali hazırda Türkiye'de böyle bir şey söz konusu değil. İstediği kadar yörük olsun, 200 yıl önce Türkmenistan'ın bağrından gelmiş olsun genetik bağlamda Orta Asyalı atalarımızla alakamız diğerlerine nazaran çok az. Senin mantığın çok sakat olmakla beraber, atalarının fevkalade bir çoğunluğu Orta Asya dışından olan bizler de Türkleştirilmiş gayri Türkler oluyoruz.
Bu düşünceleri kafana kim koydu bilmiyorum ama dediğim gibi, bu düşünce tarzı Türk ulusunun ve diğer bütün Türki ulusların varlığını reddetmek üzerinedir. Bi güncelleme şart sana

[Gangrel]

Ancestral_Altaic 5.89
Arctic 1.4
Paleo_Siberian 1.08
East_Siberian 1.05



I don't know if siberian is turkic or russki :confused:

ancestral altaic is not mongoloid

and you missed austronesian btw

[Bornoz]

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 37.04
2 South_Central_Asian 21.83
3 European_Early_Farmers 11.37
4 Near_East 10.81
5 Ancestral_Altaic 3.59
6 European_Hunters_Gatherers 3.57
7 Tungus-Altaic 3.31
8 South_Indian 2.57
9 East_Siberian 2.13
10 Austronesian 1.35
11 South_East_Asian 1.04
12 Subsaharian 0.41
13 Khoisan 0.38
14 Arctic 0.26
15 Paleo_Siberian 0.16
16 North_African 0.12
17 Melano_Polynesian 0.04
18 Archaic_African 0.02

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Azeri_ @ 7.611535
2 Kurd_North_ @ 7.656761
3 Turk_Adana_ @ 7.831009
4 Turk_Kayseri_ @ 8.633639
5 Kurd_South_ @ 8.707616
6 Kurd_East_ @ 9.271232
7 Uzbek_Tashkent_ @ 9.683194
8 Turk_ @ 10.139632
9 Kurd_ @ 10.326406
10 Uzbekistani_Jew_ @ 11.343413
11 Baku_WGA_ @ 11.740556
12 Georgian_Jew_ @ 11.926341
13 Assyrian_Iraqi_ @ 12.31306
14 Iraqi_Chaldean_ @ 12.511136
15 Turk_Istanbul_ @ 13.392895
16 Iranian_ @ 13.558042
17 Kurd_Jew_ @ 13.749317
18 Turk_Aydin_ @ 13.960522
19 Iraqi_Mandean_ @ 14.185303
20 Iraki_ @ 14.535637

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Kurd_South_ +50% Turk_Kayseri_ @ 5.425022


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Kurd_ +25% Greek_Smyrna_ +25% Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.263604


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++
1 Assyrian_Iraqi_ + Greek_Smyrna_ + Kurd_ + Tajik_Afghan_ @ 3.930875
2 Assyrian_Iraqi_ + Greek_Smyrna_ + Kurd_East_ + Tajik_Afghan_ @ 4.106127
3 Assyrian_Iraqi_ + Baku_WGA_ + Greek_Smyrna_ + Tajik_Afghan_ @ 4.126226
4 Assyrian_Iraqi_ + Azeri_ + Greek_Smyrna_ + Tajik_Afghan_ @ 4.149544
5 Assyrian_Iraqi_ + Azeri_ + Greek_Smyrna_ + Uzbek_Afghan_ @ 4.165126
6 Greek_Smyrna_ + Kurd_ + Kurd_East_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.20874
7 Assyrian_Iraqi_ + Greek_Smyrna_ + Kurd_ + Uzbek_Afghan_ @ 4.209635
8 Greek_Smyrna_ + Kurd_ + Tajik_Afghan_ + Turk_Kayseri_ @ 4.212883
9 Assyrian_Iraqi_ + Greek_Smyrna_ + Kurd_North_ + Tajik_Afghan_ @ 4.231299
10 Assyrian_Iraqi_ + Baku_WGA_ + Greek_Smyrna_ + Uzbek_Afghan_ @ 4.237329
11 Armenian_ + Greek_Smyrna_ + Kurd_East_ + Tajik_Afghan_ @ 4.242789
12 Greek_Smyrna_ + Kurd_ + Kurd_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.263604
13 Armenian_Yerevan_ + Greek_Smyrna_ + Kurd_East_ + Tajik_Afghan_ @ 4.288088
14 Greek_Smyrna_ + Kurd_ + Turk_Kayseri_ + Uzbek_Afghan_ @ 4.288134
15 Greek_Smyrna_ + Iraqi_Chaldean_ + Kurd_ + Tajik_Afghan_ @ 4.293551
16 Greek_Smyrna_ + Jew_Tat_ + Kurd_ + Tajik_Afghan_ @ 4.298003
17 Armenian_ + Greek_Smyrna_ + Kurd_East_ + Uzbek_Afghan_ @ 4.303596
18 Assyrian_Iraqi_ + Greek_Smyrna_ + Tajik_Afghan_ + Uzbek_Tashkent_ @ 4.310886
19 Greek_Smyrna_ + Kurd_East_ + Kurd_East_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.317915
20 Armenian_ + Greek_Smyrna_ + Kurd_South_ + Tajik_Afghan_ @ 4.322683

Senin Türk kısmın nereli?

[Maintenance]

ancestral altaic is not mongoloid

and you missed austronesian btw

but its turkic xD

my austronesian is 0.04 lol

[Gangrel]

Senin Türk kısmın nereli?

Kahramanmarash Alevi

[Bornoz]

Kahramanmarash Alevi

Kürt kısmın nereli peki?

[Gangrel]

Kürt kısmın nereli peki?

Kahramanmarash too but her ancestors came from Khorasan in Iran in 1800s

She is most likely genetically Iranian Kurd

[Gangrel]

but its turkic xD

my austronesian is 0.04 lol

No it is some bullshit steppe component

Brits score double Turks do on that component so it can not be Turkic

Tungus-Altaic is Turkic

[Bornoz]

Kahramanmarash too but her ancestors came from Khorasan in Iran in 1800s

She is most likely genetically Iranian Kurd

Wow..
Impressive

[meisje]

Gagauzes are mix of Anatolian Turks and Slavs as oracles say, They are probably gone there from Anatolia

Admix the Results (sorted):

# the Population the Percent
1 Caucasian 35.88
2 European_Hunters_Gatherers 29.03
3 European_Early_Farmers 10.92
4 South_Central_Asian 5.94
5 Near_East 5.28
6 North_African 2.77
7 Ancestral_Altaic 2.66
8 Tungus-Altaic 2.21
9 Paleo_Siberian 1.75
10 East_Siberian 1.20
11 1.10 South_Indian


Finished! Reading population data all. 620 populations found.
23 mode, Components.

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Least-Squares Method.

Using one population approximation:
1 Gagauz @ 8.552280

Using two populations approximation:
1 See details 50% Turk_Aydin + 50% Ukrainian_West @ 2.998224

[Gangrel]

Wow..
Impressive

Can't trace all of her ancestors back to the 1800s but I think she is imo

She looks different to Turkish Kurds and lot of people guess her as Iranian

[Marmara]

Unlike Turkish people, Gagauzes are Orthodox Christians and they live in a country as minorities. There was no barrier between them and Moldovians, so they must have heavily interbred.

[Thracian]

Ofcourse, but that mean they are assimilated people. All ethnic Anatolian Turks score significant east eurasian admixture.

Yes, but Balkan Turks have less East Asian admixture. Gagauz people are closer to Balkan Turks.

[Maintenance]

No it is some bullshit steppe component

Brits score double Turks do on that component so it can not be Turkic

Tungus-Altaic is Turkic


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCcGGaG4os0

[Kriptc06]

Unlike Turkish people, Gagauzes are Orthodox Christians and they live in a country as minorities. There was no barrier between them and Moldovians, so they must have heavily interbred.

ye, my ancestor mixed with romanians, then bessarabian bulgarians.
Karamalakoglu surname

[adsız]

They speak a clear Turkish. They identify themselves as Turks too.
It is not possible for such a tiny christian group, who lived among other christians speaking non-Turkic for hundred of years, to forget their original language and start speaking the language of a muslim group.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fLLUwGlsAc

However, they might be mixed with non-Turks along years so their genetic structure may not be exactly same as those living in the central Asia, naturally .

[Gangrel]

Gagauzes are mix of Anatolian Turks and Slavs as oracles say, They are probably gone there from Anatolia

Admix the Results (sorted):

# the Population the Percent
1 Caucasian 35.88
2 European_Hunters_Gatherers 29.03
3 European_Early_Farmers 10.92
4 South_Central_Asian 5.94
5 Near_East 5.28
6 North_African 2.77
7 Ancestral_Altaic 2.66
8 Tungus-Altaic 2.21
9 Paleo_Siberian 1.75
10 East_Siberian 1.20
11 1.10 South_Indian


Finished! Reading population data all. 620 populations found.
23 mode, Components.

--------------------------------

Least-Squares Method.

Using one population approximation:
1 Gagauz @ 8.552280

Using two populations approximation:
1 See details 50% Turk_Aydin + 50% Ukrainian_West @ 2.998224

This one is undeniably a Turk

I assume not all Gagauz have Turk blood then?

[TheForeigner]

They speak a clear Turkish. They identify themselves as Turks too.
It is not possible for such a tiny christian group, who lived among other christians speaking non-Turkic for hundred of years, to forget their original language and start speaking the language of a muslim group.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fLLUwGlsAc
But they seem to have only 1-2% Mongoloid admixture, much like Romanians and Bulgarians and cluster with them genetically. Means they have only a small amount of Turkic blood. They are mostly assimilated Bulgarians and Romanians. The Turkic admixture is in my opinion from Anatolia. I remember an old genetic study which said there was a little sharing with a Turkish sample or something like that.

[meisje]

This one is undeniably a Turk

I assume not all Gagauz have Turk blood then?

I should see at least 4-5 Gagauz results for total conclusion which is impossible currently, They look like mix of Anatolian Turks and Slavs,

Interestingly, Normal Moldovians also look like Slav Ukraines than their kin Romanians, Romanians are very dark compared to them

[CrazyCatLady]

I guess some of them would score 0% Mongoloid. But most are probably around 5%.

[Marmara]

They're most likely Christianized Anatolian Turks who have intermarried with nearby populations a lot. It's very absurd for them to be just assimilated when there is no reason.

[TheForeigner]

I should see at least 4-5 Gagauz results for total conclusion which is impossible currently, They look like mix of Anatolian Turks and Slavs,

Interestingly, Normal Moldovians also look like Slav Ukraines than their kin Romanians, Romanians are very dark compared to them

They only score 1-2% Mongoloid and cluster with other Balkaners genetically. They look like regular Balkaners and southern Romanians aren't much different from Moldavians. Moldavians don't look Ukrainian or Russian for the most part. They are darker than East Slavs.

[BalkanTurk]

Tbh any Turk with 0% Mongoloid is just Turkified non-TurkB U L L S H I T

[Yaglakar]

Kardeşim, Türk'ün atası bu adamdır.
https://cf.kizlarsoruyor.com/q3906976/20e2bba5-9808-4b63-8adc-e51a32bb609e.jpg

Ama hali hazırda Türkiye'de böyle bir şey söz konusu değil. İstediği kadar yörük olsun, 200 yıl önce Türkmenistan'ın bağrından gelmiş olsun genetik bağlamda Orta Asyalı atalarımızla alakamız diğerlerine nazaran çok az. Senin mantığın çok sakat olmakla beraber, atalarının fevkalade bir çoğunluğu Orta Asya dışından olan bizler de Türkleştirilmiş gayri Türkler oluyoruz.
Bu düşünceleri kafana kim koydu bilmiyorum ama dediğim gibi, bu düşünce tarzı Türk ulusunun ve diğer bütün Türki ulusların varlığını reddetmek üzerinedir. Bi güncelleme şart sana

Bu sacma sapan fotograf. Iste bu Turk:
https://onturk.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/164813_478507227378_538052378_6101755_16194_n.jpg
Turkler orta asyadan gelmediler. Ve bugunku Turkmenler seljuklar degil. Proto-turkler ic mogolistandan geldiler (mongolia degil, sibir degil, ve altay degil) Bak sen yunanca orenebilirsin ve hristian dinini kabul edip avrupali olabilirsin. ))

[Bornoz]

Bu sacma sapan fotograf. Iste bu Turk:
https://onturk.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/164813_478507227378_538052378_6101755_16194_n.jpg
Turkler orta asyadan gelmediler. Ve bugunku Turkmenler seljuklar degil. Proto-turkler ic mogolistandan geldiler (mongolia degil, sibir degil, ve altay degil) Bak sen yunanca orenebilirsin ve hristian dinini kabul edip avrupali olabilirsin. ))

Bu ne şimdi :lol:
Bir insan böyle bir şeyi neden yazar ki? Deli misin divane misin moruk?

[adsız]

But they seem to have only 1-2% Mongoloid admixture, much like Romanians and Bulgarians and cluster with them genetically. Means they have only a small amount of Turkic blood. They are mostly assimilated Bulgarians and Romanians. The Turkic admixture is in my opinion from Anatolia. I remember an old genetic study which said there was a little sharing with a Turkish sample or something like that.

I edited my post and add this before i saw your post.
"However, they might be mixed with non-Turks along years so their genetic structure may not be exactly same as those living in the central Asia, naturally ."

But it does not mean they lost their ethnic identity.There is no one having a DNA 100% representing an ethnic group, like British, French etc.., genetically


Bulgarians are known to be a Turkic group in origin, so no suprise. For Romainans i have no idea.


Anatolia? No.

If moved to Romania during Ottoman Empire rule, there is no logical reason to change religion.
If moved before Ottomans, then there is no reason to change language while keeping religious belief.

[Bornoz]

I edited my post and add this before i saw your post.
"However, they might be mixed with non-Turks along years so their genetic structure may not be exactly same as those living in the central Asia, naturally ."

But it does not mean they lost their ethnic identity.There is no one having a DNA 100% representing an ethnic group, like British, French etc.., genetically


Bulgarians are known to be a Turkic group in origin, so no suprise. For Romainans i have no idea.


Anatolia? No.

If moved to Romania during Ottoman Empire rule, there is no logical reason to change religion.
If moved before Ottomans, then there is no reason to change language while keeping religious belief.

Well said

[meisje]

They only score 1-2% Mongoloid and cluster with other Balkaners genetically. They look like regular Balkaners and southern Romanians aren't much different from Moldavians. Moldavians don't look Ukrainian or Russian for the most part. They are darker than East Slavs.

There is no anything as Mongoloid, There is East-Eurasian which is 5% in my posted sample, They cluster with their neighbours in that they are half-Slavic

[Marmara]

I edited my post and add this before i saw your post.
"However, they might be mixed with non-Turks along years so their genetic structure may not be exactly same as those living in the central Asia, naturally ."

But it does not mean they lost their ethnic identity.There is no one having a DNA 100% representing an ethnic group, like British, French etc.., genetically


Bulgarians are known to be a Turkic group in origin, so no suprise. For Romainans i have no idea.


Anatolia? No.

If moved to Romania during Ottoman Empire rule, there is no logical reason to change religion.
If moved before Ottomans, then there is no reason to change language while keeping religious belief.

Bulgarians are ordinary Slavic people came to Bulgaria with Slavic expansion. Bulgars were the Turkic people from Central Asia who have conquered Byzantine territory and established Bulgarian Khaganate, later christianized and assimilated by local Slavs.

[Mingle]

Unfortunately, they have 0%-5% Mongoloid in themselves.

That's similar to how much most Romanians score.

[Marmara]

Enver Pasha was a Gagauz :D

[Thracian]

Gagauzes are mix of Anatolian Turks and Slavs as oracles say, They are probably gone there from Anatolia

Admix the Results (sorted):

# the Population the Percent
1 Caucasian 35.88
2 European_Hunters_Gatherers 29.03
3 European_Early_Farmers 10.92
4 South_Central_Asian 5.94
5 Near_East 5.28
6 North_African 2.77
7 Ancestral_Altaic 2.66
8 Tungus-Altaic 2.21
9 Paleo_Siberian 1.75
10 East_Siberian 1.20
11 1.10 South_Indian


Finished! Reading population data all. 620 populations found.
23 mode, Components.

--------------------------------

Least-Squares Method.

Using one population approximation:
1 Gagauz @ 8.552280

Using two populations approximation:
1 See details 50% Turk_Aydin + 50% Ukrainian_West @ 2.998224

There is no connection between Gagauz people and Anatolian Turks. Their migration path was on Ukraine not on Anatolia.

According to Oracle I am everything.

[adsız]

Bulgarians are ordinary Slavic people came to Bulgaria with Slavic expansion. Bulgars were the Turkic people from Central Asia who have conquered Byzantine territory and established Bulgarian Khaganate, later christianized and assimilated by local Slavs.

Bulgars, Bulgarians, Bulgarian Khaganate..

I meant Bulgars who came from Bulgarian Khaganate. The others are sure slavic people living in the modern Bulgaria.

[Yaglakar]

Bu ne şimdi :lol:
Bir insan böyle bir şeyi neden yazar ki? Deli misin divane misin moruk?

Bende pek mongoloid shape kafami sevmiyorum. Gittik beraber yunan kurslara kayit olacagiz kardes ve yavas yavas Avrupali olacaz.

[Marmara]

There is no connection between Gagauz people and Anatolian Turks. Their migration path was on Ukraine not on Anatolia.

According to Oracle I am everything.

Gagauz language definetly came from Anatolia and they were Muslims previously. Language itself is identical to Turkish with very minor differences, and has Muslim loanwords, such as Allah when they refer God.

[TheForeigner]

That's similar to how much most Romanians score.

Romanians can score 5% Mongoloid? How much do we score generally?

[Jana]

Romanians can score 5% Mongoloid? How much do we score generally?
I think average between 1-3%

[Bornoz]

Bende pek mongoloid shape kafami sevmiyorum. Gittik beraber yunan kurslara kayit olacagiz kardes ve yavas yavas Avrupali olacaz.

Ben hiçbir zaman Yunanlarla akrabalığım olduğunu iddia etmedim. Ki varsa da baba tarafımdan vardır onu da ben bilmem. Kendisi de etnik Türk değildir zaten. Benim annem Kafkasya göçmenidir.
Avrupalı olmak gibi veya Avrupalı olmak için (kurduğun cümle bile kompleks kokuyor) kendime Yunan demek gibi bir derdim de yok. Ben zaten ulusumu ve bu ulusun bir parçası olarak kendimi de Avrupalı görüyorum. O konuda herhangi hiçbir sıkıntı yok.
Ama tabi bir Kazak olarak bu tip bir isteğin ve ihtiyacın varsa şayet Yunanlar senin için doğru adres olmaz. Hemen kuzeyinde sevdiceğin tezahür eden Rusya var zaten. Oralardan faydalanabilirsin.

[Jana]

Interestingly, Normal Moldovians also look like Slav Ukraines than their kin Romanians, Romanians are very dark compared to them

I seen some Moldovans (from republic) in Budapest recently and they don't look east slavic. They are bit lighter than Romanians overall, but nothing drastic. Majority is clearly brunet

[meisje]

I seen some Moldovans (from republic) in Budapest recently and they don't look east slavic. They are bit lighter than Romanians overall, but nothing drastic. Majority is clearly brunet

Ok, I can be wrong about it, Whenever I see their national team on TV , All of them look like Ukrainian to me

[Thracian]

Gagauz language definetly came from Anatolia and they were Muslims previously. Language itself is identical to Turkish with very minor differences, and has Muslim loanwords, such as Allah when they refer God.

It didn't come from Anatolia. Anatolian, Balkan and Gagauz Turks speak Oghuz Turkish and it didn't born in Anatolia. There are too many different words in Gagauz language. Some Turks came to Anatolia and some went to Ukraine -like Tatars-. Gagauz people went to Moldova by way of Ukraine.

[War Chef]

I'm 1/2 Gagauz

[Jana]

Ok, I can be wrong about it, Whenever I see their national team on TV , All of them look like Ukrainian to me
There are lot of Russians in Moldova, and surely intemarriages happened :)

[Yaglakar]

Ben hiçbir zaman Yunanlarla akrabalığım olduğunu iddia etmedim. Ki varsa da baba tarafımdan vardır onu da ben bilmem. Kendisi de etnik Türk değildir zaten. Benim annem Kafkasya göçmenidir.
Avrupalı olmak gibi veya Avrupalı olmak için (kurduğun cümle bile kompleks kokuyor) kendime Yunan demek gibi bir derdim de yok. Ben zaten ulusumu ve bu ulusun bir parçası olarak kendimi de Avrupalı görüyorum. O konuda herhangi hiçbir sıkıntı yok.
Ama tabi bir Kazak olarak bu tip bir isteğin ve ihtiyacın varsa şayet Yunanlar senin için doğru adres olmaz. Hemen kuzeyinde sevdiceğin tezahür eden Rusya var zaten. Oralardan faydalanabilirsin.

Sonra plastic surgery yapabiliriz. Koreada cok iyi doktorlar var. ) inferiority complex belki gidecek ))

[Marmara]

It didn't come from Anatolia. Anatolian, Balkan and Gagauz Turks speaks Oghuz Turkish and it didn't born in Anatolia. There are too many different words in Gagauz language. Some Turks came to Anatolia and some went to Ukraine -like Tatars-. Gagauz people went to Moldova by way of Ukraine.

You don't understand me. Gagauz Language has the exact Persian and Arabic loanwords as the Anatolian Turkish do. If they came from Ukraine they would not have these loanwords.

Gagauz langauge is very close to Turkish, much more than Azerbaijani is.

[adsız]

It didn't come from Anatolia. Anatolian, Balkan and Gagauz Turks speaks Oghuz Turkish and it didn't born in Anatolia. There are too many different words in Gagauz language. Some Turks came to Anatolia and some went to Ukraine -like Tatars-. Gagauz people went to Moldova by way of Ukraine.

This i agree.

[War Chef]

Gagauz came from around Varna, Bulgaria before they migrated to Moldova when Catherine the Great gave them free un-taxed farmland along with Germans after expelling the Tatars.

This was once their capital:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balchik

I don't know why Turks like to say they came from Turkiye..... no their language is probably some Kipchak or old Pecheneg, who settled in the area during Byzantine times.

[TheForeigner]

Off topic maybe, but what is the Turkic people living in North Africa, that wikipedia mentions when it talks about Turkic peoples? I assume Mamelukes were assimilaed a long time ago.

[Mingle]

Romanians can score 5% Mongoloid? How much do we score generally?

A bit less than 5%, but around that range. Romanians and Gagauzes are likely both on the lower end of 1-5%.

[Gangrel]

It didn't come from Anatolia. Anatolian, Balkan and Gagauz Turks speaks Oghuz Turkish and it didn't born in Anatolia. There are too many different words in Gagauz language. Some Turks came to Anatolia and some went to Ukraine -like Tatars-. Gagauz people went to Moldova by way of Ukraine.

lol gtfo

gaugauz and turkish language is like 98% the same

[Marmara]

Gagauz came from around Varna, Bulgaria before they migrated to Moldova when Catherine the Great gave them free un-taxed farmland along with Germans after expelling the Tatars.

This was once their capital:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balchik

I don't know why Turks like to say they came from Turkiye..... no their language is probably some Kipchak or old Pecheneg, who settled in the area during Byzantine times.

Gagauz is an oghuz language not kipchak, Kipchak language is impossible to understand, other Oghuz language Turkmen is very hard to understand, Gagauz is almost identical to Turkish, and a Gagauz can easily come and communicate, even easier than Azerbaijani.

[Bornoz]

Off topic maybe, but what is the Turkic people living in North Africa, that wikipedia mentions when it talks about Turkic peoples? I assume Mamelukes were assimilaed a long time ago.

There are many Turks settled North Africa in Ottoman times. Many of them assimilated by natives but some of them still know their origins.

[Mingle]

Gagauz came from around Varna, Bulgaria before they migrated to Moldova when Catherine the Great gave them free un-taxed farmland along with Germans after expelling the Tatars.

This was once their capital:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balchik

I don't know why Turks like to say they came from Turkiye..... no their language is probably some Kipchak or old Pecheneg, who settled in the area during Byzantine times.

They speak an Oghuz language not Kipchak. This isn't up for debate.

The Kipchak Turks likely assimilated before the Gagauz ethnogenesis happened.

[meisje]

There are lot of Russians in Moldova, ad surely intemarriages happened :)

Well, Russians have de-facto region inside Moldova, I do not think that these guys are Russians in Moldovan National Team

http://www.soccergamblers.com/images/moldova-football-squad.jpg

[Mingle]

Off topic maybe, but what is the Turkic people living in North Africa, that wikipedia mentions when it talks about Turkic peoples? I assume Mamelukes were assimilaed a long time ago.

Mamluks were only in Egypt iirc. They're probably Ottoman descendants.

[Thracian]

You don't understand me. Gagauz Language has the exact Persian and Arabic loanwords as the Anatolian Turkish do. If they came from Ukraine they would not have these loanwords.

Gagauz langauge is very close to Turkish, much more than Azerbaijani is.

Sonuç olarak; Gagavuz Türkçesi, Oğuz grubu Türk şivelerindendir. Türkmen, Azeri, Türkiye Türkçeleri gibi Türk dünyasının Güneybatısında yer alır. Gagavuz Türklerinin etnik yapısı gibi konuştukları şive de Peçenek, Kuman, İlk Bulgar Uz Türklerine has özellikleri bünyesinde taşımaktadır. Selçuklu Türklerinden bir grubun Dobruca'ya yerleşmesi ile başlayan güneyden gelen Türk tesirleri Yıldırım Bayezid'in Gagavuz Devleti'ni (Uzi eyalet) 1398 yılında ele geçirmesiyle devam etmiş, Fatih'in Balkanlar'da kurduğu kesin Osmanlı hakimiyetiyle yoğunlaşmıştır. Bu dönemde Gagavuz Türkçesi; Keykavus ve Sarı Saltuk ile Balkanlar'a gelen ve daha sonra değişik tarihî sebeplerle Hıristiyanlaştırılan Müslüman toplulukların konuşma dillerinden, Osmanlı Türkçesi yazı dilinden etkilenerek ve bu kültür çevresi içinde gelişen Karamanlıca eserler vasıtasıyla Arapça, Farsça kelimeler almıştır.

https://www.tarihtarih.com/?Syf=26&Syz=358384&/Gagavuz-T%C3%BCrk%C3%A7esi-/-Do%C3%A7.-Dr.-Nevzat-%C3%96zkan-

See? Because of the Seljuks and Ottoman Empire they have some similar Arabic and Persian loanwords. And, they speak Oguz Turkish like Turkish people in Turkey.

[Gangrel]

Sonuç olarak; Gagavuz Türkçesi, Oğuz grubu Türk şivelerindendir. Türkmen, Azeri, Türkiye Türkçeleri gibi Türk dünyasının Güneybatısında yer alır. Gagavuz Türklerinin etnik yapısı gibi konuştukları şive de Peçenek, Kuman, İlk Bulgar Uz Türklerine has özellikleri bünyesinde taşımaktadır. Selçuklu Türklerinden bir grubun Dobruca'ya yerleşmesi ile başlayan güneyden gelen Türk tesirleri Yıldırım Bayezid'in Gagavuz Devleti'ni (Uzi eyalet) 1398 yılında ele geçirmesiyle devam etmiş, Fatih'in Balkanlar'da kurduğu kesin Osmanlı hakimiyetiyle yoğunlaşmıştır. Bu dönemde Gagavuz Türkçesi; Keykavus ve Sarı Saltuk ile Balkanlar'a gelen ve daha sonra değişik tarihî sebeplerle Hıristiyanlaştırılan Müslüman toplulukların konuşma dillerinden, Osmanlı Türkçesi yazı dilinden etkilenerek ve bu kültür çevresi içinde gelişen Karamanlıca eserler vasıtasıyla Arapça, Farsça kelimeler almıştır.

https://www.tarihtarih.com/?Syf=26&Syz=358384&/Gagavuz-T%C3%BCrk%C3%A7esi-/-Do%C3%A7.-Dr.-Nevzat-%C3%96zkan-

See? Because of the Seljuks and Ottoman Empire they have some similar Arabic and Persian loanwords. And, they speak Oguz Turkish like Turkish people in Turkey.

What is your full heritage?

[Jana]

Well, Russians have de-facto region inside Moldova, I do not think that these guys are Russians in Moldovan National Team

http://www.soccergamblers.com/images/moldova-football-squad.jpg

I agree they are probably ethnic Moldovans. But you forget many north Romanians can look like that.

[TheForeigner]

How much Turkic or Turkish admixture could be estimated for the Gagauz?

[TheForeigner]

And what is the Mongoloid admixture? 5 % or 1-2%?

[War Chef]

They speak an Oghuz language not Kipchak. This isn't up for debate.

The Kipchak Turks likely assimilated before the Gagauz ethnogenesis happened.

You know nothing about my people. A Turk can look at the now extinct Cuman language and say "hey, it's the same thing as Anatolian Turkish!".... but it really isn't.






The Codex Cumanicus was a linguistic manual of the Middle Ages, designed to help Catholic missionaries communicate with the Cumans, a nomadic Turkic people. It is currently housed in the Library of St. Mark, in Venice (Cod. Mar. Lat. DXLIX).

In Cuman, the text is:

Atamız kim köktesiñ. Alğışlı bolsun seniñ atıñ, kelsin seniñ xanlığıñ, bolsun seniñ tilemekiñ – neçik kim kökte, alay [da] yerde. Kündeki ötmegimizni bizge bugün bergil. Dağı yazuqlarımıznı bizge boşatqıl – neçik biz boşatırbız bizge yaman etkenlerge. Dağı yekniñ sınamaqına bizni quurmağıl. Basa barça yamandan bizni qutxarğıl. Amen!

In English, the text is:

Our Father which art in heaven. Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our sins as we forgive those who have done us evil. And lead us not into temptation, But deliver us from evil. Amen.

In Kazakh, the text is:

Atamiz kim koktesin. Alğıstı bolsin seniñ atiñ, kelsin seniñ xanliğıñ, bolsin seniñ tilegeniñ - kalai kim kokte, solai da jerde. Kundelikti nanimizdi bizge bugin ber. Tağı jazıqtarimizdi bizge bosat - kalai biz bosatarmiz bizge jaman etkenderge. Tağı jınnıñ (şaitannıñ) sınağına bizdi qaldırma. Barşa jamannan bizdi qutqar. Aumin!

In Turkish, the text is:

Atamız ki göktesin. Alkışlı olsun senin adın, gelsin senin hanlığın, olsun senin dilemeğin – nice ki gökte, öyle (de) yerde. Gündelik ekmeğimizi bize bugün ver. Dahi yazıklarımızı (suçlarımızı) bize boşat – nice biz boşatırız (bağışlarız) bize yaman (kötülük) edenleri. Dahi şeytanın (yekin) sınamağına bizi koyurma. Tüm yamandan (kötülükten) bizi kurtar. Amin!


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Cumanicus

[adsız]

How much Turkic or Turkish admixture could be estimated for the Gagauz?


And what is the Mongoloid admixture? 5 % or 1-2%?

The next question that must be asked would probably be; the mongoloid admixture is a only indicator of being Turkic? Or what/who is ""mongoloid" ?

[Mingle]

You know nothing about my people. A Turk can look at the now extinct Cuman language and say "hey, it's the same thing as Anatolian Turkish!".... but it really isn't.






https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_CumanicusNobody said anything about Cuman -_- The Cuman language is obviously Kipchak whereas the Gagauz language is obviously Oghuz.

[TheForeigner]

The next question that must be asked would probably be; the mongoloid admixture is a only indicator of being Turkic? Or what/who is ""mongoloid" ?

No not just Mongoloid and Mongoloid is East Eurasian. I guess other Central Asian like or Iranian admixture would also be Turkic and of course Anatolian. And we should estimate how much Mongoloid were the Turkic migrants I guess and what other genetic/racial components they had.

[TheForeigner]

How did Romanians got Mongoloid admixture anyway? Is it from Cumans or who?

[Mingle]

How did Romanians got Mongoloid admixture anyway? Is it from Cumans or who?Cumans, Pechenegs, and Tatars.

Edit: Avars and Bulgars too.

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[TheForeigner]

Cumans, Pechenegs, and Tatars.

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Hm maybe, although different religions might have been a barrier.

[Yaglakar]

The next question that must be asked would probably be; the mongoloid admixture is a only indicator of being Turkic? Or what/who is ""mongoloid" ?

Concepts such as 'genetic admixture' and 'race' are anti-Turkic in essence and manifestation. The fate of proto-Turks was to be engulfed by the sea of Indo-Europeans. Old Turks understood that therefore anybody could join the ranks of proto-Turks as ethnic or religious background of conquered peoples did not matter. Plethora and variety of y-chromosome, mitochondrial, and autosomal DNA is evidence to that. Everybody was spared not only women but also men. Proto-Turks are not R1b guys who ethnically cleansed Western Europe.

[War Chef]

Nobody said anything about Cuman -_- The Cuman language is obviously Kipchak whereas the Gagauz language is obviously Oghuz.


No the distinction is not obvious. Turkic languages are mutually intelligible and much harder to tell apart than Europe languages. Besides Pechenegs were Oguz.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pechenegs

[Mingle]

No the distinction is not obvious. Turkic languages are mutually intelligible and much harder to tell apart than Europe languages.

Gagauz is mutually intelligible with Turkish whereas Kipchak languages aren't. All sources say Gagauz is an Oghuz language, but you seem to be denial for whatever reason.

Crimean Tatar is considered a Kipchak language even though it's easier for Anatolian Turkish (Oghuz) speakers to understand than it is for Volga Tatars. English is considered West Germanic even though it's easier for North Germanics to learn than it is for continental West Germanics. The reason is because it's genetic base is West Germanic. Same for Gagauz and Turkish. Not only are the two mutually intelligible but they have the same genetic base which means that they are both Oghuz languages/dialects that have a recent common origin and the similarities are not a result of Ottoman influence over their language.


Besides Pechenegs were Oguz.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pechenegs

Lol, now you're accepting it might be Oghuz as long as it isn't from the Seljuk or Ottoman Turkish? The intellectual dishonesty is strong in you. Anyways, Gagauz has the same Arabic and Persian loanwords as Turkish, so it's probably not from Pecheneg, which is generally considered to be extinct with no surviving descendants. But if it weren't from Seljuk or Ottoman Turkish, then Pecheneg would be the next guess, not Cuman (Kipchak).

[TheForeigner]

So in conclusion what are the origins and admixtures of Gagauz people?

[Jana]

So in conclusion what are the origins and admixtures of Gagauz people?
Daco-Thracian, Slavic, Turkic, Schyntian mix, I think...;)

[War Chef]

But if it weren't from Seljuk or Ottoman Turkish, then Pecheneg would be the next guess, not Cuman (Kipchak).

We have a town called Kipchak.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copceac,_Gagauzia

[TheForeigner]

Daco-Thracian, Slavic, Turkic, Schyntian mix, I think...;)

Why Scythians too?

[Jana]

Why Scythians too?
Because Schyntians lived in plains of black sea shores. I know for sure there is some Asian like R1a in Romania (minor though) which should be from them, and there probably is in Gagauzia too :)

[Marmara]

We have a town called Kipchak.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copceac,_Gagauzia

Are you Gagauz? Do you speak Gagauz?

[Marmara]

Gagauz language is closer to Balkan Turkish accent, so they must have descended from Muslim Balkan Turks who descended from Anatolian Turks.

[StonyArabia]

Anatolian Turks mixed with Slavs/East Europeans. They already little Mongoloid admixture, since the Turkics who migrated to Anatolia were mostly Caucasian with bits of Mongoloid, they did not look full Siberian, because they had significant Iranian admixture. The Gaguaz then would migrate to the Balkans convert to Christianity would reduce the Mongoloid admix even more so

[War Chef]

Because Schyntians lived in plains of black sea shores. I know for sure there is some Asian like R1a in Romania (minor though) which should be from them, and there probably is in Gagauzia too :)

We have Gothic ancestry too. But of course we are mainly Slavic + Indigenous Balkan (Daco-Thracian).


The Thracian Goths, also known as Moesogoths or Moesian Goths, refers to the branches of Goths who settled in Thrace and Moesia, Roman provinces in the Balkans. These Goths were mentioned in the 4th, 5th and 6th centuries.

According to Jordanes (fl. 551), the Moesian Goths were taught to write by Ulfilas (311–383).[5] They were, according to him, still present in Moesia, "numerous, but poor and unwarlike, rich in nothing save flocks of various kids and pasture-lands for cattle and forests for wood ... Most of them drink milk".[5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thracian_Goths

https://i.imgur.com/pVtLT4F.png

https://i.imgur.com/Mhpl2JV.png

https://books.google.com/books?id=xsQxcJvaLjAC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false

[Mingle]

We have a town called Kipchak.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copceac,_Gagauzia

So? That's cause Cumans settled there. That doesn't mean that Gagauz is a Kipchak language. I don't get how someone is supposed to prove to you that it's Oghuz when every source describing the language calls it Oghuz. You seem religiously motivated in denying any connection it has to Turkish so there's no point in continuing this.

Btw, I don't think that Gagauzes are of Turkish descent, just that their language most likely came from them. The Gagauzes are most likely locals that just underwent a language shift. There's nothing special about them genetically. They just speak a different language from their neighbors.


Gagauz belong to Y-DNA haplogroups I2a (23.6%), R1a (19.1%), G (13.5%), R1b (12.4%), E1b1b1a1 (11.1%). Haplogroups J2 (5.6%) and Haplogroup N (2.2%) are represented among Gagauzes at a usual frequency for many European peoples. Finally, the phylogenetic analysis of Y-DNA situates Gagauzes most proximal to Macedonians, Serbs and other Balkan populations, resulting in a high genetic distance from the Turkish people and other Turkic peoples.[8] According to a more detailed autosomal analysis of thousands of SNPs, not just of the sex chromosome, Gagauzes are most proximal to Ethnic Macedonians, followed by Greek Macedonians apart from Thessaloniki, and others such as Bulgarians, Romanians and Montenegrins.[9]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gagauz_people

I think a small amount of Seljuks may have settled there, gained some influence, and then spread the language, but the Seljuk settlement there would have been very small as it didn't affect the Y-DNA or autosomal DNA of the Gagauzes.

[wvwvw]

They are Turkified Bulgarians and Greeks. No wonder they pop up in the results of both Greeks and Bulgarians.

It appears that the first alphabet to be used for the language was the Greek alphabet in the late 19th century. For example, orientalist Otto Blau claims that plays of Euripides had been translated into the Gagauz language and had been written with Greek letters.

Beginning in 1957, Cyrillic was used up until the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991. Gagauz currently uses a Latin-based alphabet, modelled after the modern Turkish alphabet, with the addition of three letters.

Gagauz people appeared in the territory now called Dobruca. (Dobruja - Wikipedia). In Eastern Bulgaria, including Dobruca, the Turkish language has been dominant for several century - it was the imperial language of the Ottoman empire. All the male population of Eastern Bulgaria, including Dobruca, spoke Turkish fluently. In Eastern Bulgaria also lived Greeks.

Gagauz people living in [ Bulgaria | Greece | Romania ] are [ Bulgarians | Greeks | Romanians ] now. For all of them, the [ Bulgarian | Greek | Romanian ] language (correspondingly) is their native language now.

[Seya]

Gagauz on MDLP K23b (I left out all components below 1%)

Gagauz

Ancestral_Altaic 1.23
South_Central_Asian 3.08
Caucasian 39.90
European_Early_Farmers 16.81
Near_East 6.10
North_African 1.87
European_Hunters_Gatherers 27.52

Their mongoloid components:

South_East_Asian 0.45
Tungus_Altaic 0.12
Paleo_Siberian 0.13
East_Siberian 0.62
Arctic 0.14
Amerindian 0.29

They don't differ genetically from Romanians and Bulgarians despite they're Turkic.
i score 4-5 times more asian then this gagauz. the other results are almost the same minus the % that gose to "asian"

[War Chef]

https://i.imgur.com/k17nCy3.png

[TheForeigner]

Because Schyntians lived in plains of black sea shores. I know for sure there is some Asian like R1a in Romania (minor though) which should be from them, and there probably is in Gagauzia too :)

How much Mongoloid and how much Turkic do you think they have?

[wvwvw]

So? That's cause Cumans settled there. That doesn't mean that Gagauz is a Kipchak language. I don't get how someone is supposed to prove to you that it's Oghuz when every source describing the language calls it Oghuz. You seem religiously motivated in denying any connection it has to Turkish so there's no point in continuing this.

Btw, I don't think that Gagauzes are of Turkish descent, just that their language most likely came from them. The Gagauzes are most likely locals that just underwent a language shift.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gagauz_people

I think a small amount of Seljuks may have settled there, gained some influence, and then spread the language, but the Seljuk settlement there would have been very small as it didn't affect the Y-DNA or autosomal DNA of the Gagauzes.

Western Bulgarians are not ethnic Macedonians.

There’s no such thing as an ”Ethnic” Macedonian because Macedonians were never an ethnic group, just like the Athenians, Thessalians, Spartans were not separate ethnic groups either. Their ethnicity was Greek.

[StonyArabia]

I think they were Anatolians in origins, the language is very similar to Anatolian Turkish, not even Iraqi/Syrian Turkmen are that close as the Gauguaz to Anatolian Turkish. The Mideast Turkmen languages are much closer to Azeri in those countries than they are to Anatolian Turkish.

[Mingle]

Western Bulgarians are not ethnic Macedonians.

There’s no such thing as an ”Ethnic” Macedonian because Macedonians were never an ethnic group, just like the Athenians, Thessalians, Spartans were not separate ethnic groups either. Their ethnicity was Greek.Okay, I was just quoting Wikipedia :p

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[Marmara]

I think they were Anatolians in origins, the language is very similar to Anatolian Turkish, not even Iraqi/Syrian Turkmen are that close as the Gauguaz to Anatolian Turkish. The Mideast Turkmen languages are much closer to Azeri in those countries than they are to Anatolian Turkish.

There are two different Turkmen languages in Syria and Iraq, one is closer to Anatolian Turkish spoken by Sunni turkmens and other is to Azerbaijani spoken by Shia Turkmens. It's impossible to understand Turkmen that is closer to Azerbaijani (Azerbaijani spoken in Azerbaijan is understandable, in Iran it's not). Turkmen spoken by Sunnis is also almost the same with Anatolian Turkish. Turkish spoken in Southeastern provinces of Turkey is Turkmen dialect and identical to Turkish spoken in Syria.

Interestingly, Sunni Turkmen language spoken in Syria sounds Arabic by pronunciation and Gagauz sounds Slavic, the linguistic influence from nearby languages must be the reason.

[TheForeigner]

There is no anything as Mongoloid, There is East-Eurasian which is 5% in my posted sample, They cluster with their neighbours in that they are half-Slavic

One individual with 5% does not represent the whole group. I would like to see a genetic study on a large group of Gagauz.

[Seya]

There is no anything as Mongoloid, There is East-Eurasian which is 5% in my posted sample, They cluster with their neighbours in that they are half-Slavic

what posted sample? the one Stearsolina posted? that one is only 1,75% asian

[Jana]

what posted sample? the one Stearsolina posted? that one is only 1,75% asian
And that is not one sample, but spreadsheet average made of several samples (how many I don't know). I checked their average on MDLP K16 and it's similar to one I posted (K23b)
So I think they tend to score low east eurasian.

[MercifulServant]

They arent, Anatolian Turks are much more mongoloid. Gagauz score little bit over 1% Siberian on MDLP K16, similar like Romanians (but that calculator underestimate east eurasian admix I think).

Post your Harrapa World results here I'm interested to see what you get: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?30297-Harappa-Ancestry-Project

[Massagetae]

https://s18.postimg.org/ud6begv09/gaguaz-1.png (https://postimg.org/image/u0ex8acqd/)

http://suyun.info/index.php?LANG=ENG&p=4_17042017_4_1

[Seya]

And that is not one sample, but spreadsheet average made of several samples (how many I don't know). I checked their average on MDLP K16 and it's similar to one I posted (K23b)
So I think they tend to score low east eurasian.

huh..1,75% is very few. i get 7% on the same calculator.

[MercifulServant]

huh..1,75% is very few. i get 7% on the same calculator.

How much East Eurasian do you get on Gedrosia K3?

[Seya]

How much East Eurasian do you get on Gedrosia K3?

a bit more..7.60

[Massagetae]

huh..1,75% is very few. i get 7% on the same calculator.

Seya is orginal gangster Turanian.

[MercifulServant]

a bit more..7.60

Are you full Romanian?

[Massagetae]

Seyas Turkmen twin?

https://s18.postimg.org/gkrwj3c15/seya-twin.png (https://postimages.org/)

[Jana]

I think Seya may have some Tatar ancestry she doesn't know about :)

[TheForeigner]

I think Seya may have some Tatar ancestry she doesn't know about :)

Or very old Cuman ancestry.

[Mingle]

And that is not one sample, but spreadsheet average made of several samples (how many I don't know). I checked their average on MDLP K16 and it's similar to one I posted (K23b)
So I think they tend to score low east eurasian.

Are you talking about MLDP in general or only K16 & K23b? I tend to score higher than usual EE on all MLDP calculators, so I don't think they underestimate EE, the opposite if anything.

[Jana]

Are you talking about MLDP in general or only K16 & K23b? I tend to score higher than usual EE on all MLDP calculators, so I don't think they underestimate EE, the opposite if anything.
Only about K16, which is otherwise excellent calculator for Europeans. Because there Turks for example have oddly low east eurasian average, which is way lower than usual, if we speak about ethnic Turks.

[Seya]

Are you full Romanian?

i am, yes

[Massagetae]

General eye shape and mouth are uncannily similar.

https://s18.postimg.org/bdbery59l/seyas-twin.png (https://postimages.org/)

[Thracian]

huh..1,75% is very few. i get 7% on the same calculator.

It seems strange. Did you count Ancestral Altaic as a part of Mongoloid component? If so, it is not a Mongoloid component.

[Konpirike]

Kahramanmarash too but her ancestors came from Khorasan in Iran in 1800s

She is most likely genetically Iranian Kurd

Interesting because I have seen other Maras Alevi "kurdish" results and none of them look Iranian genetically. Their results looks more Azeri to me.It makes sense since they are Alevis.
Also it's funny that you mention Khorasan as your mothers backround. This is a very famous theory made by a guy named Mehmet Bayrak. It's so widespread that lots of people believe in it. However that theory is totally false and there is no evidence what so ever for it. Actually it's the other way around that SOME Khorasani Kurds have ancestry from Maras region.

Share her genetic results?

[Mingle]

Only about K16, which is otherwise excellent calculator for Europeans. Because there Turks for example have oddly low east eurasian average, which is way lower than usual, if we speak about ethnic Turks.

Maybe the sample size of Turks you saw was small or they were from a part of Turkey where Turks generally score lower than average EE? Do you tend to score lower EE than usual on K16?

Turks of TA, do you tend to score lower than usual EE on K16?

[Seya]

It seems strange. Did you count Ancestral Altaic as a part of Mongoloid component? If so, it is not a Mongoloid component.

no, i did not count ancestral altaic or central asian

[Marmara]

Interesting because I have seen other Maras Alevi "kurdish" results and none of them look Iranian genetically. Their results looks more Azeri to me. Also it's funny that you mention Khorasan as your mothers backround. This is a very famous theory made by a guy named Mehmet Bayrak. It's so widespread that lots of people believe in it. However that theory is totally false and there is no evidence what so ever for it. Actually it's the other way around that SOME Khorasani Kurds have ancestry from Maras region.

Share her genetic results?

It must be Zaza. Zazas are included among Kurds as well but they probably have different genetics.

[Thracian]

Maybe the sample size of Turks you saw was small or they were from a part of Turkey where Turks generally score lower than average EE? Do you tend to score lower EE than usual on K16?

Turks of TA, do you tend to score lower than usual EE on K16?

Nope. Actually I see higher scores on K16 and K23.(approximately 3.7%)

[Konpirike]

It must be Zaza. Zazas are included among Kurds as well but they probably have different genetics.

No, the people I am speaking about are Kurmanji speakers.

There are no Zazas in Maras region. If there are, then they must have moved there very recently.

[Marmara]

No, the people I am speaking about are Kurmanji speakers.

There are no Zazas in Maras region. If there are, then they must have moved there very recently.

Okay, i see.

[jackrussell]

I once was at a dinner party with some " White Supremacists Europeans and Americans" and untill i told them i was Circassian + Turkish + British the party was going jolly good.

Than things got really wild !!!

Guess what happened ?

:D

[Mingle]

Nope. Actually I see higher scores on K16 and K23.(approximately 3.7%)

Is the 3.7% for K16 or K23?

[Carpatz]

Gedrosia k3 is outdated and overestimates the East Eurasian component iirc. It's the same calculator that gave me 1 Loschbour @ 0.000000 in the oracle

[Jana]

Maybe the sample size of Turks you saw was small or they were from a part of Turkey where Turks generally score lower than average EE? Do you tend to score lower EE than usual on K16?

Turks of TA, do you tend to score lower than usual EE on K16?

Yes there are several Turkish averages there and some score very minimal EE while others do more. I guess there are regional differences in Tureky. But when I made single average from all of their averages, it was still lower than I expected.
I score maybe hair lower than usual, but nothing out of the ordinary because my EE is low anyway :)

[Thracian]

Is the 3.7% for K16 or K23?

Average but I am not sure about Polynesia

k16: Siberian 1.37+Arctic 1.33+Amerindian 0.31

k23: E. Siberia 1.81+ SEAsia 1.43 + Amerindian 0.14 + Polynesia 1.1

[Pennywise]

Kardeşim, Türk'ün atası bu adamdır.


Ama hali hazırda Türkiye'de böyle bir şey söz konusu değil. İstediği kadar yörük olsun, 200 yıl önce Türkmenistan'ın bağrından gelmiş olsun genetik bağlamda Orta Asyalı atalarımızla alakamız diğerlerine nazaran çok az. Senin mantığın çok sakat olmakla beraber, atalarının fevkalade bir çoğunluğu Orta Asya dışından olan bizler de Türkleştirilmiş gayri Türkler oluyoruz.
Bu düşünceleri kafana kim koydu bilmiyorum ama dediğim gibi, bu düşünce tarzı Türk ulusunun ve diğer bütün Türki ulusların varlığını reddetmek üzerinedir. Bi güncelleme şart sana

Genetikten anlamadığın gibi bir de saçmalıyorsun. Anadolu Türklerinin çoğunluğu önemli miktarda Orta Asya genetik mirasına sahip. Sadece Doğu Avrasya komponenti %6-19 arasında değişiyor Türklerde. Orta Asya'daki Türk halkları da gayri Türk unsurlarla karıştılar, Anadolu Türklerine has bir durum değil bu.

[Leto]

I think they are even more European than Balkan Turks.

[Jana]

I think they are even more European than Balkan Turks.
Yes they are.

[War Chef]

There is no connection between Gagauz people and Anatolian Turks. Their migration path was on Ukraine not on Anatolia.

According to Oracle I am everything.

Either that or Gagauz founding father was some horny Turkish guy hitting on Slavic girls. Cumans or horny Turkish ancestor who gave the language, it's win-win for me either way.


https://s18.postimg.org/ud6begv09/gaguaz-1.png (https://postimg.org/image/u0ex8acqd/)

http://suyun.info/index.php?LANG=ENG&p=4_17042017_4_1

Show the bottom writing to Mingle and the others....

[Mingle]

Average but I am not sure about Polynesia

k16: Siberian 1.37+Arctic 1.33+Amerindian 0.31

k23: E. Siberia 1.81+ SEAsia 1.43 + Amerindian 0.14 + Polynesia 1.1

Interesting, we are somewhat similar. I get ~5.8 on K16 and ~3.3 on K23b. Your results seem a bit low for a Turk though. Which part of Turkey are you from? And do you get SE Asian on other calcs?

[Mingle]

Show the bottom writing to Mingle and the others....

Reread my last reply to you: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?234346-Gagauz-people-admixture&p=4938495&viewfull=1#post4938495

I already said that Gagauzes are native to the Balkans. I just said that they got their language from the Seljuks (or Ottomans but most likely the Seljuks).

[War Chef]

I just said that they got their language from the Seljuks (or Ottomans but most likely the Seljuks).

Possibly.

[Böri]

If you dare Go tell to Tatiana’s face that she isnt Turkic xD



Classify Gagauz student in Istanbul

https://i.hizliresim.com/ZOXZBk.jpg

https://i.hizliresim.com/0GR16o.jpg

https://i.hizliresim.com/jQg8bj.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0nN56Cghzg

[meisje]

Why some Euros get butthurt when we prove that Gagauz has Anatolian origins, LEL

[Mingle]

Why some Euros get butthurt when we prove that Gagauz has Anatolian origins, LEL

Anatolian origins? They have Balkan Y-DNA and cluster with their neighbors.

[meisje]

One individual with 5% does not represent the whole group. I would like to see a genetic study on a large group of Gagauz.

For sure,but averages were made with 5-6 samples, not 1000 sample

[TheForeigner]

Why some Euros get butthurt when we prove that Gagauz has Anatolian origins, LEL

I don't care that the language might be of Anatolian origin, together with some of the ancestry. They are still essentially European.

[War Chef]

Why some Euros get butthurt when we prove that Gagauz has Anatolian origins, LEL

You didn't prove nothing

In these veins runs the Balkan blood, not some Cappadocian stuff

[meisje]

You didn't prove nothing

In these veins runs the Balkan blood, not some Cappadocian stuff

Are you Retarded

[War Chef]

Are you Retarded

Fight me stupid Anatolian shit-turk

[Pennywise]

Reread my last reply to you: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?234346-Gagauz-people-admixture&p=4938495&viewfull=1#post4938495

I already said that Gagauzes are native to the Balkans. I just said that they got their language from the Seljuks (or Ottomans but most likely the Seljuks).

How did they get their language? From air like a flu?

[meisje]

I don't care that the language might be of Anatolian origin, together with some of the ancestry. They are still essentially European.

Because They are Orthodox Christians,If they were Muslims,You will talk otherwise

[meisje]

Fight me stupid Anatolian shit-turk

Because You are Retarded and Moron at the same time

[TheForeigner]

Because They are Orthodox Christians,If they were Muslims,You will talk otherwise

Yeah, you are right. But they also are European genetically too. Not so sure about Christian Chuvash being European.

[War Chef]

Because You are Retarded and Moron at the same time

But I can still kick your ass

[meisje]

Yeah, you are right. But they also are European genetically too. Not so sure about Christian Chuvash being European.

They are Turks and belong to us

[Mingle]

How did they get their language? From air like a flu?

Their DNA results are open for everybody to see. Any Anatolian influence they would have would be very tiny.

[TheForeigner]

They are Turks and belong to us

The Chuvash do, but the Gagauz are Balkan and European people.

[meisje]

But I can still kick your ass

OK, Imbecile, Good night

[meisje]

The Chuvash do, but the Gagauz are Balkan and European people.

Half Half or fifty fifty

[Pennywise]

Their DNA results are open for everybody to see. Any Anatolian influence they would have would be very tiny.

Yes, they seemed to be heavily mixed with the locals. That doesn't make their "origins" native to Balkans.

[War Chef]

OK, Imbecile, Good night

What makes me a imbecile? Because I don't accept your dumbass Turkicization?

May have been Gagauz used Ottoman Turkish as a trade language (we was good fisherman & wine-makers) so it was a business language I don't know. Or some Turkish guys fucked our women who cares, in the end the blood is what matters and our blood is BALKAN.

Enjoy your salty sleep you angry bitch

[Mingle]

That doesn't make their "origins" native to Balkans.

Their Y-DNA says otherwise:


Gagauz belong to Y-DNA haplogroups I2a (23.6%), R1a (19.1%), G (13.5%), R1b (12.4%), E1b1b1a1 (11.1%). Haplogroups J2 (5.6%) and Haplogroup N (2.2%) are represented among Gagauzes at a usual frequency for many European peoples. Finally, the phylogenetic analysis of Y-DNA situates Gagauzes most proximal to Macedonians, Serbs and other Balkan populations, resulting in a high genetic distance from the Turkish people and other Turkic peoples.[8] According to a more detailed autosomal analysis of thousands of SNPs, not just of the sex chromosome, Gagauzes are most proximal to Ethnic Macedonians, followed by Greek Macedonians apart from Thessaloniki, and others such as Bulgarians, Romanians and Montenegrins.[9]

But I guess you could say their cultural/ethnolinguistic origins come from Anatolia or something.

[Pennywise]

Their Y-DNA says otherwise:



But I guess you could say their cultural/ethnolinguistic origins come from Anatolia or something.

Dude, get the terminology right first. Intermixing with the locals can effect/change both Y-DNA and autosomal DNA of an ethnicity. Ethnogenesis of a population is not determined by their DNA results.

[War Chef]

The more sad question is why when Anaturkians see the word "Gagauz" their eyes light up and they follow around like dogs. The truth is you just use us to cling to the Balkans and make yourselves more European. We are not your whores but free people, get lost.

[Marmara]

The more sad question is why when Anaturkians see the word "Gagauz" their eyes light up and they follow around like dogs. The truth is you just use us to cling to the Balkans and make yourselves more European. We are not your whores but free people, get lost.

Gagauzca bilmiyorsan zaten bu tartışmanın muhattabı değilsin.

[Mingle]

Dude, get the terminology right first. Intermixing with the locals can effect/change both Y-DNA and autosomal DNA of an ethnicity. Ethnogenesis of a population is not determined by their DNA results.

True. You're right that they may have Anatolian origins, but their population as a whole is made up of language shifters.

[adsız]

The more sad question is why when Anaturkians see the word "Gagauz" their eyes light up and they follow around like dogs. The truth is you just use us to cling to the Balkans and make yourselves more European. We are not your whores but free people, get lost.

Wrong.

Turks love being Asian much more than anything else. Believe me.

And, nobody here force you to become something you dont want. You are what you think you are.

Just, Gagauz= Gök Oğuz.

[TheForeigner]

Wrong.

Turks love being Asian much more than anything else. Believe me.

And, nobody here force you to become something you dont want. You are what you think you are.

Just, Gagauz= Gök Oğuz.

If Turks love being Asian, then why do they want to join the EU and are members of several European institutions like UEFA and European Council?

[Marmara]

If Turks love being Asian, then why do they want to join the EU and are members of several European institutions like UEFA and European Council?

Because we're next to Europe and have to get along to build a better future.

[adsız]

population as a whole is made up of language shifters.

Tell me when this shift happened and for what possible reason?

[adsız]

If Turks love being Asian, then why do they want to join the EU and are members of several European institutions like UEFA and European Council?

Even Cyprus is a member of EU and Georgia will be soon too. It is not about being european or asian.

[Leto]

Even Cyprus is a member of EU and Georgia will be soon too. It is not about being european or asian.
Those nations are more European culturally than Turkey, which isn't. Especially Cyprus. And you'll never join the EU with such a president, never ever. Not that I'm pro-EU or anything like that (I'm against it), but Turkey's candidacy is laughable.

[Leto]

They are Turks and belong to us
Actually, they chose Russian instead of Romanian. Russian is the main language in Gagauzia, almost all kids study in Russian. And they are no fucking Islamicists, thank God.

[adsız]

Those nations are more European culturally than Turkey, which isn't. Especially Cyprus. And you'll never join the EU with such a president, never ever. Not that I'm pro-EU or anything like that (I'm against it), but Turkey's candidacy is laughable.

I, as most of Turkish people who are anti-Erdoğan, do not really care about a collapsing union like the EU. No meaning today. What benefit do its members get from membership?

UK already left. Many countries in EU also have economic problems.

[Leto]

I, as most of Turkish people who are anti-Erdoğan, do not really care about a collapsing union like the EU. No meaning today. What benefit do its members get from membership?

UK already left. Many countries in EU also have economic problems.
Yes, that's a rotten union. True.

Sorry guys for this off-topic.

[meisje]

what posted sample? the one Stearsolina posted? that one is only 1,75% asian

Look at carefully to Population Admixture

Admix the Results (sorted):

# the Population the Percent
1 Caucasian 35.88
2 European_Hunters_Gatherers 29.03
3 European_Early_Farmers 10.92
4 South_Central_Asian 5.94
5 Near_East 5.28
6 North_African 2.77
7 Ancestral_Altaic 2.66
8 Tungus-Altaic 2.21
9 Paleo_Siberian 1.75
10 East_Siberian 1.20
11 1.10 South_Indian


Finished! Reading population data all. 620 populations found.
23 mode, Components.

--------------------------------

Least-Squares Method.

Using one population approximation:
1 Gagauz @ 8.552280

Using two populations approximation:
1 See details 50% Turk_Aydin + 50% Ukrainian_West @ 2.998224

[BalkanTurk]

Those nations are more European culturally than Turkey, which isn't. Especially Cyprus. And you'll never join the EU with such a president, never ever. Not that I'm pro-EU or anything like that (I'm against it), but Turkey's candidacy is laughable.Lmao you know what's so funny? Cyprus's culture is largely Levantine, not European. They have a lot in common with other Middle Easterners; the only reason you say they are culturally European is that they are Christian. Heck, I remember someone who said Greek Cypriots are culturally European while Turkish Cypriots are not... how? They have the same culture, one is Muslim the other Christian that's the only difference. By your logic, Albanians and Bosniaks are not Europeans either. Imagine Indians telling their Muslim counterparts they are not culturally south Asians, lol. That's how retarded you sound.

[meisje]

Actually, they chose Russian instead of Romanian. Russian is the main language in Gagauzia, almost all kids study in Russian. And they are no fucking Islamicists, thank God.

No, Gagauz people speak their own language, Old generations ,For sure they know Russian in that They were forced to speak Russian by Soviet Despots


. And they are no fucking Islamicists, thank God

Thanks to Tolerance in the Ottoman Empire, Ottomans do not force them to be Muslims, Unlike Russia, Russia always force Tartars to become Christians in Russia

[Leto]

Lmao you know what's so funny? Cyprus's culture is largely Levantine, not European. They have a lot in common with other Middle Easterners; the only reason you say they are culturally European is that they are Christian. Heck, I remember someone who said Greek Cypriots are culturally European while Turkish Cypriots are not... how? They have the same culture, one is Muslim the other Christian that's the only difference. By your logic, Albanians and Bosniaks are not Europeans either. Imagine Indians telling their Muslim counterparts they are not culturally south Asians, lol. That's how retarded you sound.
Cypriot culture is largely Greek, not Levantine. There's many Cypriots in the UK, but you don't hear any complaints about them, unlike Turks in mainland Europe.

[Leto]

No, Gagauz people speak their own language, Old generations ,For sure they know Russian in that They were forced to speak Russian by Soviet Despots



Thanks to Tolerance in the Ottoman Empire, Ottomans do not force them to be Muslims, Unlike Russia, Russia always force Tartars to become Christians in Russia
Tolerant? Lol. Especially to Armenians, Greeks and Assyrians.
The Russian Empire usually didn't force Tatar to convert, otherwise there wouldn't be over 5 million of them present to this day. In fact, non-Russians had more freedom than many Russians, since non-Christians weren't subjected to serfdom and owned their lands. Western Russia was the most affected by serfdom.

[Leto]

Despite declaring Gagauz as the national language of the Autonomy, the local authorities do not provide any full Gagauz-teaching school, most of those are Russian-language as opposed to inner Moldovan full Romanian language education.[16] Although pupils are introduced to all of the usual school languages (Russian, Romanian, English or French, Gagauz), the local language continues to be least popular.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gagauzia#Demographics

[Böri]

Tolerant? Lol. Especially to Armenians, Greeks and Assyrians.
The Russian Empire usually didn't force Tatar to convert, otherwise there wouldn't be over 5 million of them present to this day. In fact, non-Russians had more freedom than many Russians, since non-Christians weren't subjected to serfdom and owned their lands. Western Russia was the most affected by serfdom.

Chuvash and Kryashens were Orthodoxized by Imperial Russia's politics.

[Leto]

Chuvash and Kryashens were Orthodoxized by Imperial Russia's politics.
The Chuvash were never Muslim.

[Böri]

The Chuvash were never Muslim.

They are Bulgaric and Volga Bulgars were all Muslim at some point. Almish Khan converted around 922 AD and the Bulgars followed him.
I think Chuvash were pushed by Russians into Orthodoxy, I dont know in details tho.

[War Chef]

We're so Turkic/Turkish culturally yet we are genetically the most western (closest to Italians) out of all Balkaners

https://i.imgur.com/gBLJH6K.png

[Jana]

By your logic, Albanians and Bosniaks are not Europeans either.
I am not familiar with Albanians, but Bosniak culture isn't very European.

[BalkanTurk]

I am not familiar with Albanians, but Bosniak culture isn't very European.That makes no sense. Saying there is a European culture is like saying there is an Asian culture. Do you think Chinese and Arabic culture is the same because they are both Asian? Any culture from the geographical area of Europe is European, period.

[Leto]

That makes no sense. Saying there is a European culture is like saying there is an Asian culture. Do you think Chinese and Arabic culture is the same because they are both Asian? Any culture from the geographical area of Europe is European, period.
Lol, the Chinese and Arabs are not even the same race. Not to mention that Asia is much more vast than Europe in terms of area. Bad example.

[Jana]

That makes no sense. Saying there is a European culture is like saying there is an Asian culture. Do you think Chinese and Arabic culture is the same because they are both Asian? Any culture from the geographical area of Europe is European, period.
Europe is more than simple geographic term. Because then Nenets (arctic people from European Russia) are Europeans too, despite nobody would connect the two.
Bosniak traditional culture is much closer to Turkish (or more precisely, Ottoman), than to their neighbours. And Ottoman culture isn't very European

[BalkanTurk]

Lol, the Chinese and Arabs are not even the same race. Not to mention that Asia is much more vast than Europe in terms of area. Bad example.Lol, how is race relevant? Bosniaks and Englishmen are not of the same ethnicity, so? In addition, are North Indians culturally the same as Arabs? Your reply is a perfect example of association fallacy.

[Leto]

Nenets (arctic people from European Russia) are Europeans too, despite nobody would connect the two.
The Nenets are clearly Siberian, East Eurasian. With some West Eurasian admixture though.

Forest Nenets GEDmatch results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Siberian 70.78
2 Atlantic_Baltic 18.52
3 West_Asian 6.08
4 East_Asian 2.48
5 South_Asian 2.15

[Marmara]

I am not familiar with Albanians, but Bosniak culture isn't very European.

They are European nevertheless, maybe culturally not mainstream European, though i don't think they're any different than their balkan Orthodox counterparts.

[Leto]

Lol, how is race relevant?
Yes, it is.

Your reply is a perfect example of association fallacy.
And you clearly have an agenda of presenting the Muslim West Asian nation of Turkey as European, although 97% of its territory is not even in Europe.

[Leto]

They are European nevertheless, maybe culturally not mainstream European, though i don't think they're any different than their balkan Orthodox counterparts.
They are European originally of course and cluster with their neighbors. However, culturally they are outliers.

[Marmara]

They are European originally of course and cluster with their neighbors. However, culturally they are outliers.

Who cares you're Belorussian how much "European" is your country to begin with?

[Jana]

They are European nevertheless, maybe culturally not mainstream European, though i don't think they're any different than their balkan Orthodox counterparts.
By ancestry yes. They are different than orthodox believe me. I am partly Bosniak, and I watched some old photos of my family from Bosnia, looking at the pictures of their towns, their clothes etc you would never be able to guess they were taken in Europe.
And my ancestors belonged to muslim nobility. Only familiar thing about them were their very European facial features.

[BalkanTurk]

Yes, it is.

And you clearly have an agenda of presenting the Muslim West Asian nation of Turkey as European, although 97% of its territory is not even in Europe.And you clearly know how to put words in one's mouth since I never said Turkey is European. I literally spoke of T&G Cypriots and Balkan Muslims...

[BalkanTurk]

By ancestry yes. They are different than orthodox believe me. I am partly Bosniak, and I watched some old photos of my family from Bosnia, looking at the pictures of their towns, their clothes etc you would never be able to guess they were taken in Europe.
And my ancestors belongd to muslim nobility. Only familiar thing about them were their very European facial features.Your family is an exception because my family is so secular they even occassionally eat pork.

[Leto]

Who cares you're Belorussian how much "European" is your country to begin with?
It is in Europe and you're not. I bet you even identify as Muslim in public, because atheism is allowed mainly in the West and East Asia. And I have fair skin, gray eyes and light brown hair. However, you'd be mistaken for a 'black-assed' fruit seller in Russia.

[Jana]

Your family is an exception because my family is so secular they even occassionally eat pork.
I am Croat, and Catholic. But I have Bosniak ancestry trough my father, so I am very familiar with Bosnia and their culture. It is totaly exotic to us.

Secular Bosniaks simply didn't exist before communism.

[Leto]

I am Croat, and Catholic. But I have Bosniak ancestry trough my father
I didn't know about that. I thought you were part Hungarian though. Never mind, I barely read this toxic forum outside this "scientific" section.

[Yaglakar]

Gagauz is a Turkic language and great majority of Gaguaz people see themselves Turkic. No further discussion. Blood/genetic composition, physical appearance, culture and religion do not define a Turk. Turk is a civilizational 'force'


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bzWSJG93P8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUaaX3qC1M0

[Marmara]

It is in Europe and you're not. I bet you even identify as Muslim in public, because atheism is allowed mainly in the West and East Asia. And I have fair skin, gray eyes and light brown hair. However, you'd be mistaken for a 'black-assed' fruit seller in Russia.

Moron, i'm not comparing Belarus with Turkey, i'm comparing it with Europe. Your nation was historically considered inferior, alien and non-European. It still is.

[Jana]

I didn't know about that. I thought you were part Hungarian though. Never mind, I barely read this toxic forum outside this "scientific" section.
Yep, 1/8 :)

[Mingle]

By ancestry yes. They are different than orthodox believe me. I am partly Bosniak, and I watched some old photos of my family from Bosnia, looking at the pictures of their towns, their clothes etc you would never be able to guess they were taken in Europe.
And my ancestors belonged to muslim nobility. Only familiar thing about them were their very European facial features.Didn't you say before that Bosniaks were culturally closer to Serbs than to Turks? Or maybe that was Robocop?

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[Leto]

Moron, i'm not comparing Belarus with Turkey, i'm comparing it with Europe. Your nation was historically considered inferior, alien and non-European. It still is.
First of all, I'm half Russian. And I don't know why you're so triggered. Even if I was Chinese, I would say the same about Islam and Turks. And ask any white nationalist, which country is more 'alien' - Russia or Turkey? The answer is obvious.

[Jana]

Didn't you say before that Bosniaks were culturally closer to Serbs than to Turks? Or maybe that was Robocop?

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They aren't culturally close to Serbs. Listen this traditional Bosnian musical genre:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvNjbnB4tqA

I love their traditional music, btw. :)

[Leto]

Special for illiterates - a map of Europe
https://www.worldatlas.com/img/areamap/continent/europe_map.gif

[Marmara]

First of all, I'm half Russian. And I don't know why you're so triggered. Even if I was Chinese, I would say the same about Islam and Turks. And ask any white nationalist, which country is more 'alien' - Russia or Turkey? The answer is obvious.

Half Russian, what's the difference? Russia was westernized under Peter the Great, its traditions were not western but Asiatic, and were long considered alien outsiders, non-europeans. I don't fucking say Turkey is European it is Balkan Turk, he's from Balkans and feel European i don't. I'm saying this because you think you're an authority to decide if Balkan muslims (Bosniaks, Albanians) are European or not, calling them outliers when your ancestry is no less outlier.

[Leto]

Half Russian, what's the difference? Russia was westernized under Peter the Great, its traditions were not western but Asiatic, and were long considered alien outsiders, non-europeans. I don't fucking say Turkey is European it is Balkan Turk, he's from Balkans and feel European i don't. I'm saying this because you think you're an authority to decide if Balkan muslims (Bosniaks, Albanians) are European or not, calling them outliers when your ancestry is no less outlier.
I'm over 90% West Eurasian, close to 95%. The Slavs originated in Europe, that's a fact. Europe is not only Germany, England and France. Islam is traditionally an enemy ideology associated with Arabs and Turks, while Christianity (Roman Catholicism, Protestantism and Eastern Orthodoxy) have been the traditional religions in Europe for over 1500 years. Why is it so difficult to grasp? Turks in the Balkans appeared after the Ottoman conquest.

[Yaglakar]

Special for illiterates - a map of Europe
https://www.worldatlas.com/img/areamap/continent/europe_map.gif

http://memesmix.net/media/created/eu5gjy.jpg

[Marmara]

I'm over 90% West Eurasian, close to 95%. The Slavs originated in Europe, that's a fact. Europe is not only Germany, England and France. Islam is traditionally an enemy ideology associated with Arabs and Turks, while Christianity (Roman Catholicism, Protestantism and Eastern Orthodoxy) have been the traditional religions in Europe for over 1500 years. Why is it so difficult to grasp? Turks in the Balkans appeared after the Ottoman conquest.

I don't argue over Turks rn. Bosniaks and Albanians are also originated in Europe, and Orthodox Christianity is the Eastern, Asiatic version of Christianity which has more in common with Armenians, Lebanese or Copts than West.

[Leto]

I don't argue over Turks rn. Bosniaks and Albanians are also originated in Europe, and Orthodox Christianity is the Eastern, Asiatic version of Christianity which has more in common with Armenians, Lebanese or Copts than West.
Nobody says here Bosniaks and Albanians aren't white. By the way, the Byzantines thought of themselves as European, they didn't call themselves 'Byzantine', they called themselves 'Roman' and 'Greek'. The Copts and Armenians are miaphysiate, not in communion with us.

[Marmara]

Nobody says here Bosniaks and Albanians aren't white. By the way, the Byzantines thought of themselves as European, they didn't call themselves 'Byzantine', they called themselves 'Roman' and 'Greek'. The Copts and Armenians are miaphysiate, not in communion with us.

You first quoted me saying they're outliers. You started this discussion and i'm disproving you. Don't twist it, i'm not arguing over whiteness.

[Leto]

You first quoted me saying they're outliers.
Lol, I basically agreed with you that culturally the Islamic groups of the Balkans are outliers.

You started this discussion and i'm disproving you.
No, it was you who attacked my ethnicity calling it inferior. Did I attack yours? I may have said Turks are not European, but that's common knowledge, not an attack. I was civil unlike you.

[Jana]

Bosniaks are certanly more of an outliers than orthodox Christians, even Russians. Because Bosniak culture comes from non-European source, while same can't be said for orthodox Christians.
And I don't consider orthodox culture similar to catholic (or protestant). But it's definitelly European, unlike islam.

We went bit too off-topic :)

[Marmara]

Lol, I basically agreed with you that culturally the Islamic groups of the Balkans are outliers.

No, it was you who attacked my ethnicity calling it inferior. Did I attack yours? I may have said Turks are not European, but that's common knowledge, not an attack. I was civil unlike you.

I did not call your ethnicity inferior, i stated the fact your ancestry was once considered such, non-European, which makes you out of position. So, since when you were allowed to European club? Last time i checked Belarus is not even part of Council of Europe and refuses to sign European Human Rights treaty, which the nations you deem outliers did.

[Leto]

I did not call your ethnicity inferior, i stated the fact your ancestry was once considered such, non-European, which makes you out of position. So, since when you were allowed to European club? Last time i checked Belarus is not even part of Council of Europe and refuses to sign European Human Rights treaty, which the nations you deem outliers did.
Ethnicity, race and culture have nothing to do with those unions and treaties. You're strawmaning.

I look whiter than a lot of people in this forum anyway.

[Marmara]

Bosniaks are certanly more of an outliers than orthodox Christians, even Russians. Because Bosniak culture comes from non-European source, while same can't be said for orthodox Christians.
And I don't consider orthodox culture similar to catholic (or protestant). But it's definitelly European, unlike islam.

We went bit too off-topic :)

It depends on the perspective of being European, which could be inclusive to Balkan muslim or exclusive to Orthodox Eastern Europeans.

[Bornoz]

You guys need to remember that you are arguing with Christian conservatists. What sort of conclusion do you intend to reach by discussing with them? Do you think that they are different our çomars? You are trying to talk with them like they are humans and even that is a mistake. Take a look at the map that Leto shared for example, all countries around us are ''Europe'' but Turkey is not. Gotcha son :thumb001:

https://www.worldatlas.com/img/areamap/continent/europe_map.gif

Other than all of that, if I was a guy with narrow worldview who has no logical idea about Turkey, if I would never even visit there, and if I would learn something about Turkey only from these videos that I watch from Youtube of course I would have similiar detections with them



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=128VyjBhErU&t=63s

[Marmara]

Ethnicity, race and culture have nothing to do with those unions and treaties. You're strawmaning.

I look whiter than a lot of people in this forum anyway.

Being white doesn't mean being European, or do you think you're more European than GiCa?

[Leto]

Bosniaks are certanly more of an outliers than orthodox Christians, even Russians. Because Bosniak culture comes from non-European source, while same can't be said for orthodox Christians.
And I don't consider orthodox culture similar to catholic (or protestant). But it's definitelly European, unlike islam.

Good points. Actually I'm honest, I don't say Russia is Western or part of the European core, so to speak. The whitest people are Germanic and Celtic, maybe Czechs and Hungarians too. However, when Turkey and Islam comes to play, of course we're closer to Europe than them. Besides, unmixed ethnic Russians are predominantly European by ancetry. Belorussians are even more so.

[Leto]

Being white doesn't mean being European, or do you think you're more European than GiCa?
She's Italian, Italy is considered Western. However, I'm most like way lighter than her.

[Bornoz]

She's Italian, Italy is considered Western. However, I'm most like way lighter than her.

Congragulations

[Marmara]

Good points. Actually I'm honest, I don't say Russia is Western or part of the European core, so to speak. The whitest people are Germanic and Celtic, maybe Czechs and Hungarians too. However, when Turkey and Islam comes to play, of course we're closer to Europe than them. Besides, unmixed ethnic Russians are predominantly European by ancetry. Belorussians are even more so.

You're dragging the discussion into "Are Turks European?" Discussion has never been about this, but let me tell you so you will stop. My ancestors have never settled in Europe, neither originated there. They have never been Christians, they're devout muslims with Eastern mentality, i was also raised as an Eastern person, and i've never been told I'm European, so no, i'm not, most people in Turkey shouldn't and already don't consider themselves kin of Europeans. Now since you got your answer, back to the topic. As a Belorussian you don't have much to say about this, Belorussians and Russians are barely European and only being considered recently, so you can't just consider yourself European and leave others out.

[Leto]

You guys need to remember that you are arguing with Christian conservatists. What sort of conclusion do you intend to reach by discussing with them? Do you think that they are different our çomars? You are trying to talk with them like they are humans and even that is a mistake. Take a look at the map that Leto shared for example, all countries around us are ''Europe'' but Turkey is not. Gotcha son :thumb001:

Other than all of that, if I was a guy with narrow worldview who has no logical idea about Turkey, if I would never even visit there, and if I would learn something about Turkey only from these videos that I watch from Youtube of course I would have similiar detections with them

You may not like the map, but the fact is that 97% of Turkey's territory is located in Asia. Also, you guys are Muslims, you speak a Central Asian language and frequently glorify the ancient Turks and Mongols. I've seen Turks whose names were Cengiz, Batuhan, Timurlenk (excuse me if the spelling is wrong) and stuff like that. And on this forum many Turks clearly identify with Eurasian nomads, not with Greeks, Albanians and South Slavs. So what is the problem?

[Yaglakar]

Special for illiterates - a map of Europe
https://www.worldatlas.com/img/areamap/continent/europe_map.gif

LOL Just look at those imbeciles who composed the map. They included Azerbaijan but excluded Turkey (the country they obviously know about). They just dumped it there, cut Western Russia and former Soviet Republics thinking it is a giant coherent monolith. What a bunch of fucking retards. ))))

[Leto]

As a Belorussian you don't have much to say about this, Belorussians and Russians are barely European and only being considered recently, so you can't just consider yourself European and leave others out.
They've always been. Europe is not the West. The whole West-East division is largely political to begin with. And again, stop attacking my ethnicity. Even if I was Chinese or black, I would say the same because that's common geographic and historical knowledge.

[Marmara]

She's Italian, Italy is considered Western. However, I'm most like way lighter than her.

Because in your mind lighter you are, more European you are. It's about history, ancestry and culture, it's not strictly related to appearance. Even if it was, you probably look very Slavic which is not a Western look.

[TheForeigner]

Turks postulating on what is European and what isn't...

[Leto]

Because in your mind lighter you are, more European you are. It's about history, ancestry and culture, it's not strictly related to appearance. Even if it was, you probably look very Slavic which is not a Western look.
I easily pass all over Eastern and even Central Europe. From Tallinn to Bratislava.

[Leto]

Turks postulating on what is European and what isn't...
They can't even decide what they are. Are they with the Levant or with Central Asia or with Greece and the Balkans?

[Marmara]

They've always been. Europe is not the West. The whole West-East division is largely political to begin with. And again, stop attacking my ethnicity. Even if I was Chinese or black, I would say the same because that's common geographic and historical knowledge.

I'm not attacking you, i'm saying no less than what you've said about others in this thread or others. These are not my personal feelings. From my perspective it doesn't matter. I don't care who is more European or not, and i don't hate Eastern Europeans. I just get angry to people like you, you're taking this whole Europeannes too seriously forgetting that you aren't really linked to Western achievements that made what is Europe today, but adopted it like the rest of the world (barely)

[TheForeigner]

They can't even decide what they are. Are they with the Levant or with Central Asia or with Greece and the Balkans?

It's because they are so mixed in ancestry and have various cultural influences too.

[Marmara]

I easily pass all over Eastern and even Central Europe. From Tallinn to Bratislava.

Congratulations

[Leto]

I'm not attacking you, i'm saying no less than what you've said about others in this thread or others. These are not my personal feelings. From my perspective it doesn't matter. I don't care who is more European or not, and i don't hate Eastern Europeans. I just get angry to people like you, you're taking this whole Europeannes too seriously forgetting that you aren't really linked to Western achievements that made what is Europe today, but adopted it like the rest of the world (barely)
Russians are not 'Western', but they gave to the world much more in terms of science and culture than say Finland or Iceland or Ireland. The first man in space was Yuri Gagarin, not some Roger Taylor or Hans Schmidt. And why can't I be against Islam and non-whites in Europe? There are Asians and Africans who say the same. And there are Europeans who defend Asia and Africa and all kinds of indigenous tribes. We have the Islam problem in Russia too (not in Belarus, thank God). If you're not Muslim by conviction and don't live in Europe, you should not be triggered at all.

[Leto]

It's because they are so mixed in ancestry and have various cultural influences too.
Honestly, I don't hate Turkey. I'm only opposed to Islam and its encroachment on non-Muslim lands and I also don't like the fact that they scavenge for Eastern European women, especially Russian and Ukrainian. Other than that, I find Turkish genetics to be quite interesting. And economically Turkey is definitely a strong country too.

[Marmara]

Russians are not 'Western', but they gave to the world much more in terms of science and culture than say Finland or Iceland or Ireland. The first man in space was Yuri Gagarin, not some Roger Taylor or Hans Schmidt. And why can't I be against Islam and non-whites in Europe? There are Asians and Africans who say the same. And there are Europeans who defend Asia and Africa and all kinds of indigenous tribes. We have the Islam problem in Russia too (not in Belarus, thank God). If you're not Muslim by conviction and don't live in Europe, you should not be triggered at all.

Japan also gave a lot, after adopting Western ways, like Russia. Russia does not have Muslim problem it has Muslim minorities. Albanians and Bosniaks are ancestrally and geographically Europeans, that's a fact. You may not like Muslim immigration, but don't confuse them with indigenous European population.

[Hudayar]

The Nenets are clearly Siberian, East Eurasian. With some West Eurasian admixture though.

Forest Nenets GEDmatch results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Siberian 70.78
2 Atlantic_Baltic 18.52
3 West_Asian 6.08
4 East_Asian 2.48
5 South_Asian 2.15

Nenets also show Caucasoid traits while having strong East Asian traits at the same time. Pretty interesting bunch. I think staying in Siberia makes you look more Asian. a 28% European 72% Asian mix would look much more Caucasoid in Central Asia or anywhere in Europe imo.
https://www.secretcompass.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Screen-Shot-2016-12-14-at-20.13.13.png
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ZXD4RSUuxl0/U7_6acNjgpI/AAAAAAAA5XM/yGSekOOI8J4/s1600/e16w6l3nedU.jpg
https://thesiberiantundra.weebly.com/uploads/5/4/1/3/54134519/149008_orig.jpg