GEDmatch results from Trapani, far west Sicily -- evidence of extra N. African and Norman?

[Sikeliot]

These are some GEDmatch results from Trapani in far western Sicily on Eurogenes K13.

Compared to other regions they seem to have more northern elements, but they also score North Africans in their top 20 -- Tunisian and Algerian. I have not seen this occurring for MOST Sicilians.

Does this seem to imply they received Norman ancestry on top of a more heavily North African base than what is present in the rest of the island? If you took out the northern influences, North Africans would appear considerably higher up on their top 20.

These results are as close to Tunisia/Algeria as they are to Spain if not closer.

#1: Castellammare del Golfo
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 29.4
2 West_Med 21.38
3 North_Atlantic 21.27
4 West_Asian 12.13
5 Baltic 6.81
6 Red_Sea 5.42
7 Northeast_African 1.48
8 Sub-Saharan 1.21
9 East_Asian 0.63
10 South_Asian 0.15
11 Oceanian 0.12

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_Sicilian 2.16
2 Italian_Abruzzo 4.21
3 East_Sicilian 5.04
4 South_Italian 5.58
5 Central_Greek 6.14
6 Ashkenazi 8.24
7 Tuscan 8.33
8 Greek_Thessaly 9.74
9 Sephardic_Jewish 9.97
10 Italian_Jewish 10.17
11 Algerian_Jewish 10.88
12 Tunisian_Jewish 14.32
13 North_Italian 14.79
14 Libyan_Jewish 14.88
15 Bulgarian 17.91
16 Cyprian 18.87
17 Romanian 19.41
18 Lebanese_Muslim 21.8
19 Spanish_Extremadura 22.06
20 Tunisian 22.42


#2: Erice
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 32.52
2 North_Atlantic 22.21
3 West_Med 21.48
4 West_Asian 10.82
5 Baltic 5.18
6 Red_Sea 5.03
7 Northeast_African 1.59
8 South_Asian 0.93
9 Amerindian 0.14
10 East_Asian 0.11

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_Sicilian 4.48
2 South_Italian 6.33
3 Italian_Abruzzo 6.77
4 East_Sicilian 7.09
5 Ashkenazi 8.32
6 Italian_Jewish 8.33
7 Central_Greek 8.36
8 Sephardic_Jewish 8.74
9 Tuscan 9.68
10 Algerian_Jewish 10.02
11 Greek_Thessaly 12.14
12 Tunisian_Jewish 13.14
13 Libyan_Jewish 13.78
14 North_Italian 16.09
15 Cyprian 18.54
16 Bulgarian 20.37
17 Lebanese_Muslim 21.77
18 Romanian 21.81
19 Syrian 22.82
20 Tunisian 22.94


#3: Castelvetrano:

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 29.62
2 West_Med 22.37
3 North_Atlantic 17.78
4 West_Asian 11.15
5 Baltic 10.93
6 Red_Sea 5.65
7 Sub-Saharan 1.28
8 East_Asian 1.07
9 Oceanian 0.13

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 East_Sicilian 3.89
2 Central_Greek 4.35
3 West_Sicilian 4.55
4 South_Italian 6.19
5 Italian_Abruzzo 6.34
6 Ashkenazi 6.4
7 Greek_Thessaly 6.94
8 Tuscan 9.81
9 Algerian_Jewish 10.74
10 Italian_Jewish 11.05
11 Sephardic_Jewish 11.32
12 Tunisian_Jewish 15.16
13 Bulgarian 15.63
14 Libyan_Jewish 15.74
15 North_Italian 15.88
16 Romanian 17.67
17 Cyprian 18.25
18 Serbian 21.62
19 Lebanese_Muslim 21.82
20 Tunisian 22.52


#4: Castellammare del Golfo:

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 28.12
2 North_Atlantic 22.72
3 West_Med 21.54
4 West_Asian 13.13
5 Baltic 5.52
6 Red_Sea 4.96
7 South_Asian 2.55
8 Sub-Saharan 0.83
9 Northeast_African 0.51
10 Oceanian 0.11

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_Sicilian 3.78
2 Italian_Abruzzo 4.22
3 South_Italian 6.67
4 East_Sicilian 6.87
5 Central_Greek 7.4
6 Tuscan 7.97
7 Ashkenazi 10.39
8 Greek_Thessaly 10.61
9 Sephardic_Jewish 11.19
10 Italian_Jewish 11.78
11 Algerian_Jewish 12.64
12 North_Italian 14.05
13 Tunisian_Jewish 15.88
14 Libyan_Jewish 16.46
15 Bulgarian 18.52
16 Romanian 19.73
17 Cyprian 20
18 Spanish_Extremadura 21.1
19 Portuguese 21.63
20 Spanish_Andalucia 21.73

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 50.3% Lebanese_Muslim + 49.7% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.03
2 56.4% Spanish_Valencia + 43.6% Kurdish_Jewish @ 2.38
3 51% Spanish_Andalucia + 49% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.6
4 54.3% Cyprian + 45.7% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.64
5 56.3% Spanish_Valencia + 43.7% Iranian_Jewish @ 2.65
6 53.9% Lebanese_Muslim + 46.1% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.74
7 55.4% Spanish_Andalucia + 44.6% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.78
8 57.6% Spanish_Andalucia + 42.4% Iranian_Jewish @ 2.8
9 52.6% Cyprian + 47.4% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.89
10 51.2% Lebanese_Muslim + 48.8% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.92
11 95.7% West_Sicilian + 4.3% Balochi @ 2.94
12 79.8% Tuscan + 20.2% Iranian_Jewish @ 2.94
13 95.8% West_Sicilian + 4.2% Brahui @ 2.95
14 57.8% Spanish_Andalucia + 42.2% Kurdish_Jewish @ 2.95
15 95.5% West_Sicilian + 4.5% Makrani @ 2.97
16 62% North_Italian + 38% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.98
17 96% West_Sicilian + 4% Sindhi @ 3
18 51.4% Lebanese_Muslim + 48.6% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.01
19 80% Tuscan + 20% Kurdish_Jewish @ 3.01
20 78.7% South_Italian + 21.3% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.03


#5: Castellammare del Golfo:
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 29.03
2 West_Med 23.22
3 North_Atlantic 18.4
4 West_Asian 13.84
5 Baltic 8.29
6 Red_Sea 5.11
7 Sub-Saharan 0.96
8 Northeast_African 0.52
9 East_Asian 0.23
10 South_Asian 0.21
11 Oceanian 0.18

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 East_Sicilian 3.07
2 Central_Greek 3.39
3 West_Sicilian 3.71
4 South_Italian 3.78
5 Italian_Abruzzo 4.71
6 Ashkenazi 8.01
7 Greek_Thessaly 8.58
8 Tuscan 9.77
9 Sephardic_Jewish 10.38
10 Algerian_Jewish 10.49
11 Italian_Jewish 10.56
12 Tunisian_Jewish 14.64
13 Libyan_Jewish 15.24
14 North_Italian 15.97
15 Bulgarian 17.25
16 Cyprian 17.33
17 Romanian 19.15
18 Lebanese_Muslim 20.84
19 Turkish 21.37
20 Syrian 21.82

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 91% South_Italian + 9% East_German @ 1.59
2 90.5% South_Italian + 9.5% Austrian @ 1.62
3 52.1% North_Italian + 47.9% Cyprian @ 1.63
4 52.9% Central_Greek + 47.1% West_Sicilian @ 1.65
5 87.4% South_Italian + 12.6% Serbian @ 1.77
6 90.4% South_Italian + 9.6% Hungarian @ 1.82
7 82.7% South_Italian + 17.3% North_Italian @ 1.83
8 90.7% South_Italian + 9.3% Croatian @ 1.83
9 91% South_Italian + 9% South_Dutch @ 1.86
10 93.2% South_Italian + 6.8% North_Swedish @ 1.88
11 89.8% South_Italian + 10.2% French @ 1.88
12 85.3% South_Italian + 14.7% Romanian @ 1.88
13 93% South_Italian + 7% Swedish @ 1.89
14 92.4% South_Italian + 7.6% South_Polish @ 1.89
15 92.9% South_Italian + 7.1% Polish @ 1.9
16 90.8% South_Italian + 9.2% West_German @ 1.9
17 93.5% South_Italian + 6.5% Southwest_Finnish @ 1.9
18 88.6% South_Italian + 11.4% Spanish_Galicia @ 1.92
19 90% South_Italian + 10% Moldavian @ 1.93
20 92.3% South_Italian + 7.7% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 1.93


#6: Salaparuta:
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 33.02
2 West_Med 21.11
3 North_Atlantic 20.19
4 West_Asian 11.8
5 Baltic 6.19
6 Red_Sea 5.12
7 Sub-Saharan 1.39
8 South_Asian 1.11
9 Northeast_African 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_Sicilian 4.6
2 South_Italian 4.68
3 East_Sicilian 5.6
4 Italian_Abruzzo 6.49
5 Ashkenazi 6.69
6 Central_Greek 6.78
7 Italian_Jewish 7.69
8 Sephardic_Jewish 7.74
9 Algerian_Jewish 8.78
10 Tuscan 10.78
11 Greek_Thessaly 11.35
12 Tunisian_Jewish 12.36
13 Libyan_Jewish 13.25
14 Cyprian 16.73
15 North_Italian 17.31
16 Bulgarian 19.87
17 Lebanese_Muslim 20.16
18 Syrian 21.27
19 Romanian 21.55
20 Tunisian 22.49


#7: Trapani:
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 27.29
2 West_Med 22.91
3 North_Atlantic 21.63
4 West_Asian 12.97
5 Red_Sea 6.13
6 Baltic 5.84
7 Northeast_African 1.28
8 East_Asian 0.82
9 Sub-Saharan 0.57
10 Amerindian 0.32
11 Oceanian 0.23

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_Sicilian 3.07
2 Italian_Abruzzo 4.34
3 East_Sicilian 6.07
4 South_Italian 6.25
5 Central_Greek 6.78
6 Tuscan 7.82
7 Ashkenazi 10.36
8 Greek_Thessaly 10.36
9 Sephardic_Jewish 11.1
10 Italian_Jewish 11.56
11 Algerian_Jewish 12.1
12 North_Italian 13.95
13 Tunisian_Jewish 15.53
14 Libyan_Jewish 16
15 Bulgarian 18.34
16 Romanian 19.69
17 Cyprian 19.77
18 Spanish_Extremadura 20.98
19 Portuguese 21.56
20 Spanish_Andalucia 21.65

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 51.5% Cyprian + 48.5% Spanish_Extremadura @ 1.53
2 54.4% Cyprian + 45.6% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 1.57
3 54.7% Cyprian + 45.3% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.6
4 52.8% Cyprian + 47.2% Spanish_Murcia @ 1.8
5 57% Cyprian + 43% Spanish_Cantabria @ 1.91
6 52.2% Cyprian + 47.8% Portuguese @ 1.97
7 78% South_Italian + 22% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.09
8 80% South_Italian + 20% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.12
9 53.6% Cyprian + 46.4% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.14
10 52.3% Cyprian + 47.7% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.15
11 79% South_Italian + 21% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.18
12 54.8% Cyprian + 45.2% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.22
13 80.3% South_Italian + 19.7% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.23
14 78.6% South_Italian + 21.4% Portuguese @ 2.23
15 79.6% South_Italian + 20.4% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.25
16 51.2% Spanish_Andalucia + 48.8% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.35
17 57.3% Cyprian + 42.7% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.36
18 82% South_Italian + 18% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.41
19 78.9% South_Italian + 21.1% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.43
20 51.2% Spanish_Cantabria + 48.8% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.43

[wvwvw]

Castellammare del Golfo..I like the sound of it

[Sikeliot]

Castellammare del Golfo..I like the sound of it

It means "Sea fortress by the gulf."

But this area is one of the most distinct of Sicily. I will give you it is not far from other Italians or from Greeks -- no part of Sicily is -- but you can clearly see they have additional North African ancestry and some have evidence of Norman. Before the Norman rule this would have been an area significantly more North African than anywhere else in Sicily.

[Cristiano viejo]

These results are as close to Tunisia/Algeria as they are to Spain if not closer.


Sicilians are close to rest of Italians than to anybody else.

[wvwvw]

It means "Sea fortress by the gulf."

But this area is one of the most distinct of Sicily. I will give you it is not far from other Italians or from Greeks -- no part of Sicily is -- but you can clearly see they have additional North African ancestry and some have evidence of Norman. Before the Norman rule this would have been an area significantly more North African than anywhere else in Sicily.

I was watching a movie called Un prophete starring this Algerian actor

https://medias.unifrance.org/medias/227/161/41443/format_page/media.jpg

He’s not exactly a brown north african. Algerians and Tunisians have some shared Italian and west med admixture with Sicilians which explains why they pop up in sicilians’last 20 results.

[Sikeliot]

I was watching a movie called Un prophete starring this Algerian actor

https://medias.unifrance.org/medias/227/161/41443/format_page/media.jpg

He’s not exactly a brown north african. Algerians and Tunisians have some shared Italian and west med admixture with Sicilians which explains why the pop up in their last 20 results.

I think it is a combination of both -- Berber admixture in far western Sicily and Mediterranean (both east and west) admixture in Tunisia/Algeria.

[wvwvw]

Sicilians are close to rest of Italians than to anybody else.

Related to Italians than to anybody else, even though they plot differently.

[Cristiano viejo]

Related to Italians than to anybody else, even though they plot differently.

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_Sicilian 3.07
2 Italian_Abruzzo 4.34
3 East_Sicilian 6.07
4 South_Italian 6.25
5 Central_Greek 6.78
6 Tuscan 7.82
7 Ashkenazi 10.36
8 Greek_Thessaly 10.36
9 Sephardic_Jewish 11.1
10 Italian_Jewish 11.56
11 Algerian_Jewish 12.1
12 North_Italian 13.95

[Leto]

They are more African than you, Sikeliot. Lol.

[Sikeliot]

They are more African than you, Sikeliot. Lol.

No one is answering my question. Do you see evidence that they have extra North African ancestry when compared to other parts of Sicily?

To me, their East Med/West Med ratios and low Caucasian, but consistent Red Sea + SSA implies North African migration is a larger part of their genetic story than for most of Sicily.

[Jana]

aren't their north atlantic scores quite high ?

[Sikeliot]

aren't their north atlantic scores quite high ?

Higher than average for Sicily, yes, that might indicate Norman ancestry.

But the overall point is they do not plot exactly like other Sicilians because they have divergent ancestry in two directions -- North African and Western European.

[Sikeliot]

aren't their north atlantic scores quite high ?

Higher than average for Sicily, yes, that might indicate Norman ancestry.

But the overall point is they do not plot exactly like other Sicilians because they have divergent ancestry in two directions -- North African and Western European.

[MercifulServant]

Wtf how do they get Tunisian on there oracle

[Grace O'Malley]

Hasn't there been a few genetic studies done on Italy / Sicily? They would be a far better gauge of what ancestral populations make up Sicilians. Gedmatch isn't really accurate for looking at things like admixture IMO. They are only calculators. While they point you in the right direction different family members can get different results. They are fairly good at telling you what your general ancestry is but even in their mixed population mode they can give different results depending on what calculator you use.

Scientific peer reviewed papers are the way to go. People are free to disagree but this is just my general impression.

[Sikeliot]

Wtf how do they get Tunisian on there oracle

More North African affinity than typical.

[Sikeliot]

Another one:

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 28.66
2 West_Med 24.09
3 North_Atlantic 18.94
4 West_Asian 12.63
5 Baltic 7.06
6 Red_Sea 6.05
7 Northeast_African 1.94
8 East_Asian 0.33
9 Amerindian 0.21
10 Oceanian 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_Sicilian 3.43
2 East_Sicilian 4.21
3 South_Italian 4.69
4 Central_Greek 5.39
5 Italian_Abruzzo 5.68
6 Ashkenazi 8.75
7 Tuscan 9.36
8 Greek_Thessaly 9.76
9 Italian_Jewish 10.19
10 Sephardic_Jewish 10.19
11 Algerian_Jewish 10.22
12 Tunisian_Jewish 14.25
13 Libyan_Jewish 14.59
14 North_Italian 15.53
15 Cyprian 18.04
16 Bulgarian 18.34
17 Romanian 20.06
18 Lebanese_Muslim 21.47
19 Tunisian 22.23
20 Syrian 22.25

[Bobby Martnen]

So they have higher NW Euro and North African than most other Sicilians. Don't those two components just cancel each other out?

[Sikeliot]

So they have higher NW Euro and North African than most other Sicilians. Don't those two components just cancel each other out?

Yes.

[Coolguy1]

Yes.

Post eurogenes k36

[FilhoV]

Higher than average for Sicily, yes, that might indicate Norman ancestry.

But the overall point is they do not plot exactly like other Sicilians because they have divergent ancestry in two directions -- North African and Western European.


Riffians and Kaybles also score high Atlantic

[Sikeliot]

Riffians and Kaybles also score high Atlantic

If North Africans didn't have all of their SSA, I wonder if these Sicilians would be very close to them. The distance of roughly 20 might be due to North Africans having SSA.

I think that the Trapanese might actually have substantial North African DNA.

[Bobby Martnen]

If North Africans didn't have all of their SSA, I wonder if these Sicilians would be very close to them. The distance of roughly 20 might be due to North Africans having SSA.

I think that the Trapanese might actually have substantial North African DNA.

Do you have data on the predominant Y-haplogroups in Trapani?

I1 = Germanic DNA

[Sikeliot]

Do you have data on the predominant Y-haplogroups in Trapani?

I1 = Germanic DNA

R1b, J2, and G in that order, though I1 is higher than in other places. There might be some J1 too.

Here is another. To me, if you took the North Atlantic down, the result would be even higher East Med and Red Sea, which are high for Sicilian standards anyway.

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 31.47
2 West_Med 23.39
3 North_Atlantic 22.02
4 West_Asian 9.13
5 Baltic 6.23
6 Red_Sea 5.59
7 Northeast_African 1.4
8 Sub-Saharan 0.64
9 East_Asian 0.14

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_Sicilian 3.48
2 South_Italian 7.03
3 East_Sicilian 7.23
4 Italian_Abruzzo 7.29
5 Tuscan 8.37
6 Central_Greek 8.56
7 Ashkenazi 8.78
8 Italian_Jewish 9.31
9 Sephardic_Jewish 10.01
10 Algerian_Jewish 10.21
11 Greek_Thessaly 11.5
12 Tunisian_Jewish 14.18
13 Libyan_Jewish 14.7
14 North_Italian 14.72
15 Cyprian 19.71
16 Bulgarian 19.71
17 Romanian 21.15
18 Spanish_Extremadura 21.79
19 Tunisian 21.93
20 Portuguese 22.21

[Bobby Martnen]

R1b, J2, and G in that order, though I1 is higher than in other places. There might be some J1 too.


I wonder what my Sicilian great-grandfather's Y-DNA was. He was Palermitan.

Is G European or MENA? (I know R1b is European, and J2 is Arab)

[Sikeliot]

I wonder what my Sicilian great-grandfather's Y-DNA was. He was Palermitan.

Is G European or MENA? (I know R1b is European, and J2 is Arab)


G is Caucasian/Mesopotamian. But is common in inland Sicily. Palermo has mostly J2 and R1b.

What do you make of Tunisian appearing in these results? I have yet to see this for other parts of Sicily, but when it did, it was Palermo and Agrigento.

[Bobby Martnen]

G is Caucasian/Mesopotamian. But is common in inland Sicily. Palermo has mostly J2 and R1b.

What do you make of Tunisian appearing in these results? I have yet to see this for other parts of Sicily, but when it did, it was Palermo and Agrigento.

Thanks. My great-grandfather had greenish-gray eyes, though I doubt that's related to his Y-DNA.

The Tunisian is probably ancient similarity form Phoenicians, with a little Medieval Saracen in there too.

[Sikeliot]

If you look at the Tunisian average, the East Med, West Med are almost identical to the Trapanese. The difference is if you add up the SSA in Tunisia, it is equivalent roughly to the extra amount of North Atlantic that Trapani has.

So it is possible that in ancient times, Trapani and Tunisia would have been the same, and then Normans came to Trapani, and SSA people to Tunisia, creating the difference.

[Bobby Martnen]

If you look at the Tunisian average, the East Med, West Med are almost identical to the Trapanese. The difference is if you add up the SSA in Tunisia, it is equivalent roughly to the extra amount of North Atlantic that Trapani has.

So it is possible that in ancient times, Trapani and Tunisia would have been the same, and then Normans came to Trapani, and SSA people to Tunisia, creating the difference.

That's a plausible theory, but for me I'm mostly interested in trying to figure out if the Sicilians have any Roman in them. If not, than why are they called Italians?

[Sikeliot]

That's a plausible theory, but for me I'm mostly interested in trying to figure out if the Sicilians have any Roman in them. If not, than why are they called Italians?

They are part of the Italian nation, speak Italian now, etc.

Roman ancestry is probably lower than Greek. But it is likely dispersed throughout Sicily. Greek ancestry is more highly concentrated in specific areas.

[Bobby Martnen]

They are part of the Italian nation, speak Italian now, etc.

Roman ancestry is probably lower than Greek. But it is likely dispersed throughout Sicily. Greek ancestry is more highly concentrated in specific areas.

That makes sense.

Also, I've been wondering about this for a while. As you know, Mortimer posts a lot about his DNA results and if he is white or not. His tests usually come out as about 65% Europe, 15% MENA, and 20% India. In your opinion, does that make him Whiter than Greek Islanders/Sicilians/Jews who are usually about 50% Europe and 50% MENA?

[Sikeliot]

That makes sense.

Also, I've been wondering about this for a while. As you know, Mortimer posts a lot about his DNA results and if he is white or not. His tests usually come out as about 65% Europe, 15% MENA, and 20% India. In your opinion, does that make him Whiter than Greek Islanders/Sicilians/Jews who are usually about 50% Europe and 50% MENA?

No, because European is not just about DNA but about location, culture, and how people identify.

[Bobby Martnen]

No, because European is not just about DNA but about location, culture, and how people identify.

Fair point

[Voskos]

sicilians are around 22% Levantine-like so this kind of matching is more or less expected in my opinion. On the other hand they also show high affinity to ancients as well.

Sicilian_East
Bell_Beaker_Germany 0.222±0.077
England_Roman_outlier 0.210±0.134(Levantine-like admixture)
Mycenaean 0.567±0.163(Ancient Hellenic+Italic)
P-value 0.504442682
chisq 12.285
Full output

Sicilian_West
England_Roman_outlier 0.216±0.121(Levantine-like admixture)
Mycenaean 0.503±0.135(Ancient)
Unetice 0.281±0.056
P-value 0.808464904
chisq 8.516

[Leto]

and J2 is Arab
It is not. It's Caucasian. From the Neolithic period, I guess.

[Bobby Martnen]

It is not. It's Caucasian. From the Neolithic period, I guess.

What's the Arab Y-DNA then?

[Leto]

What's the Arab Y-DNA then?
J1, I guess. It's Jewish as well. E1b1b is North African.

[Bobby Martnen]

E1b1b is North African.


Old MacDonald had a farm, E1b1a
And on that farm he had some slaves, E1b1a

[Bobby Martnen]

E1b1b is North African.


Old MacDonald had a farm, E1b1a
And on that farm he had some slaves, E1b1a

[Sikeliot]

if this helps:

Eastern Sicily is mostly J2, Balkan E1b1b, Anatolian subclades of R1b, and minor R1a.

Western Sicily is mostly J2, Western European R1b, North African/Levantine E1b1b, and minor I1 and J1.

[Leto]

if this helps:

Eastern Sicily is mostly J2, Balkan E1b1b, Anatolian subclades of R1b, and minor R1a.

Western Sicily is mostly J2, Western European R1b, North African/Levantine E1b1b, and minor I1 and J1.
What is your subclade of R1a?