Closest modern day populations to CHG & EHG?

[Kouros]

So we know that the Yamna culture was genetically something like 50% CHG + 50% EHG. What two populations are the closest to Eastern Hunter Gatherer and Caucasus Hunter Gatherer respectively?

Also, I'm confused. What happened to ANE? Is it absorbed in the 'CHG' ancestry?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-OQjovXBnIK0/VknYxQ5FkSI/AAAAAAAAKM8/49uS0aE0Nj8/s1600/ncomms9912-f1.jpg

[Scar]

EHG probably Lithuanians.

CHG Georgians and North Caucasians.

[Kouros]

EHG probably Lithuanians.

CHG Georgians and North Caucasians.

And the ANE ancestry in Yamna people came from CHG correct? Or both?

[Scar]

And the ANE ancestry in Yamna people came from CHG correct? Or both?

Both, but more from EHG, I suppose.

[Dick]

And the ANE ancestry in Yamna people came from CHG correct? Or both?

probably both.

[Harkonnen]

Siberians are closest to EHG.

[Kouros]

Siberians are closest to EHG.

Do you have a PCA plot or the study that I can read by any chance?

[Harkonnen]

So we know that the Yamna culture was genetically something like 50% CHG + 50% EHG. What two populations are the closest to Eastern Hunter Gatherer and Caucasus Hunter Gatherer respectively?

Also, I'm confused. What happened to ANE? Is it absorbed in the 'CHG' ancestry?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-OQjovXBnIK0/VknYxQ5FkSI/AAAAAAAAKM8/49uS0aE0Nj8/s1600/ncomms9912-f1.jpg

This PCA is probably one of those where the ancient genomes are projected on top of modern ones. It doesn't mean very much.

[Hadouken]

CHG - Abkhazians and Circassians

EHG - probably Ukrainians

[Kouros]

CHG - Abkhazians and Circassians

EHG - probably Ukrainians


Siberians are closest to EHG.

Do you guys know where I can read any of the papers or blogposts that conclude this?

[Hadouken]

Do you guys know where I can read any of the papers or blogposts that conclude this?

well you can at least see on calculators like dodecad k12b that the caucasus component peaks in west georgians and adygheans

the Caucasus Hunter Gatherer genome was taken from a remnant in Georgia

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3320218/Missing-piece-Europe-s-hunter-gatherer-ancestry-discovered-Group-settled-Caucasus-45-000-years-ago-left-genetic-mark-modern-Europeans.html

here Kotias CHG gedmatch Kit Nr. - M411747 , M603839

Satsurbila CHG - M677694

[Kouros]

well you can at least see on calculators like dodecad k12b that the caucasus component peaks in west georgians and adygheans

the Caucasus Hunter Gatherer genome was taken from a remnant in Georgia

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3320218/Missing-piece-Europe-s-hunter-gatherer-ancestry-discovered-Group-settled-Caucasus-45-000-years-ago-left-genetic-mark-modern-Europeans.html

here Kotias CHG gedmatch Kit Nr. - M411747 , M603839

Satsurbila CHG - M677694

Thx mane

[Hadouken]

btw. the CHG samples score high Gedrosia too . gedrosia is also CHG related but it confuses me a bit

I am not knowledged to know

[Pahli]

btw. the CHG samples score high Gedrosia too . gedrosia is also CHG related but it confuses me a bit

I am not knowledged to know

Gedrosia is a made up component which consists of mostly CHG and some South Asian

Anyways, CHG is 50% ANE and EHG is 75% ANE and 25% WHG I think

[Kouros]

Gedrosia is a made up component which consists of mostly CHG and some South Asian

Anyways, CHG is 50% ANE and EHG is 75% ANE and 25% WHG I think

What's the other half of CHG (50% ANE + 50% ?)

[Not a Cop]

What's the other half of CHG (50% ANE + 50% ?)

ENF, although i think that proportions may be wrong, in my memmory CHG is 80% ENF, 20 ANE. ENG is 2\3 WHG, 1\3 ANE, although i may not be correct.

[Mingle]

Gedrosia is a made up component which consists of mostly CHG and some South Asian

Where did you hear that?

[Pahli]

Where did you hear that?

Its related to Iran_Neolithic or something, but its just a mix of dominantly CHG and some South Asian, I am pretty sure.

[Mingle]

Its related to Iran_Neolithic or something, but its just a mix of dominantly CHG and some South Asian, I am pretty sure.

Gedrosia and Iran_Neolithic are synonyms. But this is the first time I've heard that it's not a real component, so I'm just curious where you heard that.

[Pahli]

Gedrosia and Iran_Neolithic are synonyms. But this is the first time I've heard that it's not a real component, so I'm just curious where you heard that.

Because Iran_Neolithic is basically just CHG + some South Asian, so its kinda made up out of two already existing components

[Mingle]

Because Iran_Neolithic is basically just CHG + some South Asian

Yeah, but how do you know that though.

[jingorex]

is there a gedmatch test for finding these results for my kit?

[Pahli]

Yeah, but how do you know that though.

Because Gedrosia is based on some kind of Brahui sample:

http://i39.tinypic.com/bhhkwy.jpg

And Brahuis are basically Iran_Neo with extra South Asian if we look at the samples we have

[Kouros]

is there a gedmatch test for finding these results for my kit?


well you can at least see on calculators like dodecad k12b that the caucasus component peaks in west georgians and adygheans

the Caucasus Hunter Gatherer genome was taken from a remnant in Georgia

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3320218/Missing-piece-Europe-s-hunter-gatherer-ancestry-discovered-Group-settled-Caucasus-45-000-years-ago-left-genetic-mark-modern-Europeans.html

here Kotias CHG gedmatch Kit Nr. - M411747 , M603839

Satsurbila CHG - M677694

Is this what you're looking for?

[zarzian]

So much garbage replies in the thread. CHG itself is derived from Iran Neolithic type Ancestry https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2016/06/16/059311 along with a slight EHG type ancestry.

The source of this type of ancestry (CHG, IranN, Gedrosia, West Aian, etc) is the paleolithic Zarzian culture from Iran. This is where Y-DNA J originates from.

[Mingle]

Because Gedrosia is based on some kind of Brahui sample:

http://i39.tinypic.com/bhhkwy.jpg

And Brahuis are basically Iran_Neo with extra South Asian if we look at the samples we haveBrahuis were modeled that way before the recent discovery of Iran_Neolithic. Now it turns out that the main component in Baloches and Brahuis is Iran_N not CHG.

It was discovered only in 2016 in Zagros I believe: http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2016/06/another-ancient-genome-from-iran-coming.html

[Scar]

So much garbage replies in the thread. CHG itself is derived from Iran Neolithic type Ancestry https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2016/06/16/059311 along with a slight EHG type ancestry.

The source of this type of ancestry (CHG, IranN, Gedrosia, West Aian, etc) is the paleolithic Zarzian culture from Iran. This is where Y-DNA J originates from.

But you guys aren't the ''purest''/peak of CHGs in the world (North Caucasians are). That was the question of the OP.

Saying Persians/Iranians should be used as example for CHGs is like saying Punjabis should be used as example for Yamnaya, lol.

[zarzian]

But you guys aren't the ''purest''/peak of CHGs in the world (North Caucasians are). That was the question of the OP.

Saying Persians/Iranians should be used as example for CHGs is like saying Punjabis should be used as example for Yamnaya, lol.

Are you some sort of a schizophrenic? When did I say Persians/Iranians should be used in place of CHG. You did not understand anything I wrote if that is what you interpreted.

[Scar]

Are you some sort of a schizophrenic? When did I say Persians/Iranians should be used in place of CHG. You did not understand anything I wrote if that is what you interpreted.

It seemed you were trying to say Iranians are the closest ones to ''proto CHG'' people. That's not true.
But I may have misunderstood you.

[Pahli]

So much garbage replies in the thread. CHG itself is derived from Iran Neolithic type Ancestry https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2016/06/16/059311 along with a slight EHG type ancestry.

The source of this type of ancestry (CHG, IranN, Gedrosia, West Aian, etc) is the paleolithic Zarzian culture from Iran. This is where Y-DNA J originates from.

Well, if you look at the Iran Mesolithic, it looks like CHG that is slightly Iran Neolithic shifted. Do we have any samples from the Zarzian culture?

[Kouros]

So CHG in the Yamna culture is maternal, while EHG is paternal. It has to be because all the Y-DNA found in Yamna were R1 IIRC.


So much garbage replies in the thread. CHG itself is derived from Iran Neolithic type Ancestry https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2016/06/16/059311 along with a slight EHG type ancestry.

The source of this type of ancestry (CHG, IranN, Gedrosia, West Aian, etc) is the paleolithic Zarzian culture from Iran. This is where Y-DNA J originates from.

Other than the 'slight EHG type ancestry' that you've already noted is their any other difference? Or can we really just say that CHG = Iran Neolithic + slight EHG?

[XenophobicPrussian]

CHG = Abhkasians

EHG = Erzya and Kargopol Russians. Every other answer is wrong.

[Kouros]

bump

[Zroota]

From what I read, Transcaucasians, or those from the South Caucasus.

[Harkonnen]

EHG is closest to Siberians.

[Leto]

IMO a Western Georgian / Baltic (LT/LV) mix would be the closest. A very badass mix, if anyone has photos of a confirmed mix like that, please let me know :cool: