Cyprus vs Sicily vs Greece in the new West Balkan study.

[Sikeliot]

https://i.imgur.com/AvOncqH.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/hQKO07s.jpg


Cyprus is halfway between Sicily and Levant, but is closer to Anatolian populations than to both. They differ from Levantines due to having a large amount of Sardinian/EEF type ancestry, which is common in Southern Europe. This was also confirmed by Sarno et al.

Sicily is halfway between Cyprus and Greece. Sicily is closer to Cyprus in its low amount of NE European and its small but present Afroasiatic input, but has a more similar amount of Caucasian ancestry to Greece (Cyprus has more).

Abruzzo is a slightly less Near-Eastern shifted version of Sicily, but more than Greece.

Greece, due to its significantly higher NE European, is halfway to Romania/Bulgaria. But they appear more like an "Eastern" version of Tuscans.

Balkan Slavs are shifted toward other Eastern Europeans, especially Croats and Serbs. These populations do not even seem genetically "Southern European."

[Sikeliot]

If anyone sees before I edited, I meant Sicily is halfway between Cyprus and Greece, NOT halfway between Cyprus and Levant.

[Sikeliot]

Also interesting is the Basque vs Sardinian difference --

Sardinians have no Steppe. Basques have no Caucasian.

[Alessio]

If anyone sees before I edited, I meant Sicily is halfway between Cyprus and Greece, NOT halfway between Cyprus and Levant.

Or halfway Spain and the Levant - this is what I see with my full Southern Italian cousins.

[Sikeliot]

Or halfway Spain and the Levant - this is what I see with my full Southern Italian cousins.

Or from Greece, 1/4 of the way to the Levant can work also.

Sardinians have the least Steppe of all Europeans, then Cypriots have only small amounts, and then Sicilians have the next smallest. Apparently Abruzzo has less than Greece, also.

[Lek]

Bosniaks and Croats are shifted towards East Europeans. Serbs and Montenigrins fall in between is what the study says which is also confirmed by MyOrigins II autosomal results I have seen.

Someone like Bosniensis is not even originally Bosniak but Montenigrin Muslim. Vlatko is better example of Bosniak and he scores more East Europe.

Decius and Bosniensis are inbetween. I score 100% South East Europe and closer to Southern Europeans like most Kosovars.

The study just proves I was right. MyHeritage, AncestryDNA tests and the old MyOrigin that some of you here take so serious are nonsense. Even some Iberian members were arguing that there was gene flow from Middle East into Balkans due to us getting Asia Minor before which obviously was inaccurate.

The study goes well with autosomal tests like myorigins II and some others.

Romanians , Bulgarians and Macedonian Slavs can probably be anything like Similar to Serbs to between Serbs and Albanians.

Some countries are more diverse and need to be broken down into different regions.

[Sikeliot]

Also worth noting, Abruzzo is not THAT different from Sicily. The only difference is a small tradeoff of SW Asian for Steppe.

Also, there seems to be a Romanian Gypsy included in the Romanian grouping on the far left hand side of the admixture chart.

[Alessio]

With ''Sicily'' you mean the Mezzogiorno from Campania down to Sicily, or you mean just Western Sicily? It's confusing when you use Sicily as a term for anything Southern Italian except Abruzzo.


Or from Greece, 1/4 of the way to the Levant can work also.

Sardinians have the least Steppe of all Europeans, then Cypriots have only small amounts, and then Sicilians have the next smallest. Apparently Abruzzo has less than Greece, also.

[Sikeliot]

With ''Sicily'' you mean the Mezzogiorno from Campania down to Sicily, or you mean just Western Sicily? It's confusing when you use Sicily as a term for anything Southern Italian except Abruzzo.

That Sicilian sample is likely a mixture of Syracuse and Trapani which is what most Sicilian samples in academia are. I am comparing this to the sample from Abruzzo.

The Sicilian sample is basically Cypriot + 10-15% Steppe.

[Aren]

Interesting, Montenegrins are more northern than the French!
Also notice the pink component, how high it is in Northern Italy. They also have extra CHG input other than from Steppe.

[Percivalle]

Also interesting is the Basque vs Sardinian difference --

Sardinians have no Steppe. Basques have no Caucasian.

Yes, indeed. But I think it was known. This is a study published in 2014.

This study has used samples for Abruzzo, Sicily and Greeks from a previous study. Greeks are from Thessaly. While it's not clear if Sicilians are a mixture of west and east Sicilian, but it's probably like that.

Found.

Sicilians are a mix of anything, east Sicily, central Sicily, west Sicily.

[Tauromachos]

Greece, due to its significantly higher NE European, is halfway to Romania/Bulgaria. But they appear more like an "Eastern" version of Tuscans.

Greeks are clearly closer to the Italian groups"Tuscans,Abruzzo" than to any of the Balkan groups in this clustering.

[nightrider+]

New study? It's from 2014.

[kleenex]

https://i.imgur.com/AvOncqH.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/hQKO07s.jpg


Cyprus is halfway between Sicily and Levant, but is closer to Anatolian populations than to both. They differ from Levantines due to having a large amount of Sardinian/EEF type ancestry, which is common in Southern Europe. This was also confirmed by Sarno et al.

Sicily is halfway between Cyprus and Greece. Sicily is closer to Cyprus in its low amount of NE European and its small but present Afroasiatic input, but has a more similar amount of Caucasian ancestry to Greece (Cyprus has more).

Abruzzo is a slightly less Near-Eastern shifted version of Sicily, but more than Greece.

Greece, due to its significantly higher NE European, is halfway to Romania/Bulgaria. But they appear more like an "Eastern" version of Tuscans.

Balkan Slavs are shifted toward other Eastern Europeans, especially Croats and Serbs. These populations do not even seem genetically "Southern European."

Is Greece a Thessalian sample? Very close to Tuscany.

[Percivalle]

Is Greece a Thessalian sample? Very close to Tuscany.

Yes, it is.

[nightrider+]

Yes, it is.I don't remember any Thessalian samples in professional studies, do they state so? Afaik it's the same samples from Athens and Thessaloniki used again and again.

[Lek]

New study? It's from 2014.

It's from 2019, man. From the future.

[nightrider+]

It's from 2019, man. From the future.Whoa

[Percivalle]

I don't remember any Thessalian samples in professional studies, do they state so? Afaik it's the same samples from Athens and Thessaloniki used again and again.

Yes, in this study have used samples from a previous Behar's study, and in that study there are the Thessalians, not those from Thessaloniki.

It's possible that in some analysis have merged Thessaly + Athens.

https://i.imgur.com/3yi3NAK.png

[kleenex]

https://i.imgur.com/AvOncqH.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/hQKO07s.jpg


Cyprus is halfway between Sicily and Levant, but is closer to Anatolian populations than to both. They differ from Levantines due to having a large amount of Sardinian/EEF type ancestry, which is common in Southern Europe. This was also confirmed by Sarno et al.

Sicily is halfway between Cyprus and Greece. Sicily is closer to Cyprus in its low amount of NE European and its small but present Afroasiatic input, but has a more similar amount of Caucasian ancestry to Greece (Cyprus has more).

Abruzzo is a slightly less Near-Eastern shifted version of Sicily, but more than Greece.

Greece, due to its significantly higher NE European, is halfway to Romania/Bulgaria. But they appear more like an "Eastern" version of Tuscans.

Balkan Slavs are shifted toward other Eastern Europeans, especially Croats and Serbs. These populations do not even seem genetically "Southern European."

Wait a minute how are Kosavars so far off from other South Balkan populations? There's something off with this PCA. The Kosovar sample should be on the same level with Macedonians and Montenegrins. Shouldn't it be Greeks, Kosovar, Macedonians, Montenegrins, Serbians, Croatians on the same plane? Certainly should be East (not West) of Tuscans, ABruzzo, even Greeks (maybe not Thessalians) but certainly Peloponnesians who are closer to Italians.

[nightrider+]

Yes, in this study have used samples from a previous Behar's study, and in that study there are the Thessalians, not those from Thessaloniki.

It's possible that in some analysis have merged Thessaly + Athens.

https://i.imgur.com/3yi3NAK.pngThere are more than 10 samples in this study and it doesn't make sense for Thessalians to be so genetically diverse, so it's most likely not only Thessalians.

[Percivalle]

Wait a minute how are Kosavars so far off from other South Balkan populations? There's something off with this PCA. The Kosovar sample should be on the same level with Macedonians and Montenegrins. Shouldn't it be Greeks, Kosovar, Macedonians, Montenegrins, Serbians, Croatians on the same plane? Certainly should be East (not West) of Tuscans, ABruzzo, even Greeks (maybe not Thessalians) but certainly Peloponnesians who are closer to Italians.

It's not a PCA, it's most likely a 3D (?) spanning tree. In the study it's called as "network".

https://i.imgur.com/Z1JMolx.png

[Percivalle]

There are more than 10 samples in this study and it doesn't make sense for Thessalians to be so genetically diverse, so it's most likely not only Thessalians.

These are the others 10. but now I have no more time to look. Tomorrow I try to find other information.

https://i.imgur.com/LWoEGrz.png

In this study there are 19 Greeks. For reasons that they usually do not explain, it often happens that they discard one or two.

https://i.imgur.com/5qUW0zz.png

[Sikeliot]

Sicilians are a mix of anything, east Sicily, central Sicily, west Sicily.

Which regions? Do you know which provinces for sure? I am curious to know.

[Percivalle]

Which regions? Do you know which provinces for sure? I am curious to know.

In this study there are 13 Sicilians and these are they.

W= West Sicily = Trapani.
E= East Sicily = Siracusa
C= Central Sicily but I don't know from where.
Ag= I think it stands for Agrigento.

https://i.imgur.com/6ey129d.png

[Sikeliot]

In this study there are 13 Sicilians and these are they.

W= West Sicily = Trapani.
E= East Sicily = Siracusa
C= Central Sicily but I don't know from where.
Ag= I think it stands for Agrigento.

https://i.imgur.com/6ey129d.png


Central Sicily is either Caltanissetta or Palermo. I think Palermo is usually NOT considered West Sicily professionally.

[Bobby Martnen]

If anyone sees before I edited, I meant Sicily is halfway between Cyprus and Greece, NOT halfway between Cyprus and Levant.

Where are Venetians? I like them

[Tauromachos]

Central Sicily is either Caltanissetta or Palermo. I think Palermo is usually NOT considered West Sicily professionally.

Why shouldn't it be considered West?

Its clearly in the Western half of the Island though not as far West as Trapani

[kleenex]

It's not a PCA, it's most likely a 3D (?) spanning tree. In the study it's called as "network".

https://i.imgur.com/Z1JMolx.png

Okay now i see it Kosovars and Montengrins are actually plotting with the rest of East Euro populations.