2 more Sarno et al observations (Italy, Greece, Cyprus, Spain)

[Sikeliot]

1) On this chart it is clear that the red "Afroasiatic" Near Eastern component is higher in Spain than in mainland Greece or Albania, likely due to North African and indirect Levantine affinity. It would, if sampled, be higher in Portugal than it is in Spain here.

https://i.imgur.com/rUFz87E.png



2) Using my measuring tool on photo editor, I measured this chart to determine which regions have most/least of each component. Here are my findings.

Most to least Caucasus:

Greece: Dodecanese
Cyprus
Greece: Crete
Apulia: Griko
Apulia: Lecce
Calabria: Griko
Calabria: Cosenza
Greece: Central
Calabria: Reggio Calabria
Sicily: Catania
Calabria: Arbereshe
Sicily: Palermo, Enna
Sicily: Arbereshe
Greece: Peloponnese
Albania: Gheg
Albania: Tosk
Basilicata: Matera
Sicily: Agrigento
Sicily: Ragusa
Greece: North
Sicily: Trapani


Most to least Sardinian: Does not fall below 50% for any group except Cyprus.
Albania: Tosk
Arbereshe: Calabria
Arbereshe: Sicily
Albania: Tosk
Apulia: Griko
Greece: North, Central, Peloponnese
Apulia: Lecce
Calabria: Griko
Basilicata: Matera
Sicily: Trapani
Calabria: Cosenza, Reggio Calabria
Sicily: Palermo, Enna, Ragusa
Sicily: Catania, Agrigento
Greece: Crete
Greece: Dodecanese
Greece: Cyprus


Most to least Near Eastern:
Cyprus
Sicily: Catania, Agrigento
Calabria: Griko
Calabria: Reggio Calabria
Sicily: Palermo, Ragusa
Sicily: Enna
Calabria: Cosenza
Sicily: Trapani
Greece: Crete
Basilicata: Matera
Greece: Dodecanese
Apulia: Lecce
Apulia: Griko
Sicily: Arbereshe
Calabria: Arbereshe
Greece: Peloponnese
Greece: Central
Greece: North
Albania: Tosk
Albania: Gheg


Most to least Indo-European/Steppe:
Greece: North
Albania: Tosk
Greece: Peloponnese
Albania: Gheg
Greece: Central
Sicily: Trapani
Arbereshe: Sicily
Basilicata: Matera
Calabria: Arbereshe
Sicily: Agrigento
Greece: Crete
Sicily: Ragusa, Enna
Greece: Dodecanese
Apulia: Griko
Calabria: Cosenza
Sicily: Catania, Palermo
Calabria: Reggio Calabria
Calabria: Griko
Cyprus


https://i.imgur.com/t4j8p5w.png

[Sikeliot]

Thoughts?

[Voskos]

Greeks and South Italians seem to score high Caucasus, and Albos/Arbereshe form a separate cluster due to high Sardinian.

[Ylla]

So indo european is like WHG?

[Kelmendasi]

So indo european is like WHG?
Nah, Indo-European is Steppe

[Sikeliot]

Greeks and South Italians seem to score high Caucasus, and Albos/Arbereshe form a separate cluster due to high Sardinian.

Interestingly the mainland Greeks have more Sardinian than do the Cretans, Dodecanese, and southern Italians.

[Token]

2) Using my measuring tool on photo editor, I measured this chart to determine which regions have most/least of each component. Here are my findings.

Most to least Caucasus:

Greece: Dodecanese
Cyprus
Greece: Crete
Apulia: Griko
Apulia: Lecce
Calabria: Griko
Calabria: Cosenza
Greece: Central
Calabria: Reggio Calabria
Sicily: Catania
Calabria: Arbereshe
Sicily: Palermo, Enna
Sicily: Arbereshe
Greece: Peloponnese
Albania: Gheg
Albania: Tosk
Basilicata: Matera
Sicily: Agrigento
Sicily: Ragusa
Greece: North
Sicily: Trapani


Most to least Sardinian: Does not fall below 50% for any group except Cyprus.
Albania: Tosk
Arbereshe: Calabria
Arbereshe: Sicily
Albania: Tosk
Apulia: Griko
Greece: North, Central, Peloponnese
Apulia: Lecce
Calabria: Griko
Basilicata: Matera
Sicily: Trapani
Calabria: Cosenza, Reggio Calabria
Sicily: Palermo, Enna, Ragusa
Sicily: Catania, Agrigento
Greece: Crete
Greece: Dodecanese
Greece: Cyprus


Most to least Near Eastern:
Cyprus
Sicily: Catania, Agrigento
Calabria: Griko
Calabria: Reggio Calabria
Sicily: Palermo, Ragusa
Sicily: Enna
Calabria: Cosenza
Sicily: Trapani
Greece: Crete
Basilicata: Matera
Greece: Dodecanese
Apulia: Lecce
Apulia: Griko
Sicily: Arbereshe
Calabria: Arbereshe
Greece: Peloponnese
Greece: Central
Greece: North
Albania: Tosk
Albania: Gheg


Most to least Indo-European/Steppe:
Greece: North
Albania: Tosk
Greece: Peloponnese
Albania: Gheg
Greece: Central
Sicily: Trapani
Arbereshe: Sicily
Basilicata: Matera
Calabria: Arbereshe
Sicily: Agrigento
Greece: Crete
Sicily: Ragusa, Enna
Greece: Dodecanese
Apulia: Griko
Calabria: Cosenza
Sicily: Catania, Palermo
Calabria: Reggio Calabria
Calabria: Griko
Cyprus
Where is Spain?

[Sikeliot]

Where is Spain?

It was not in the same chart so it was difficult to analyze in the same way. But Spain is in the first chart, where you can see the red component surpasses that of Albania and mainland Greece.

[Token]

It was not in the same chart so it was difficult to analyze in the same way. But Spain is in the first chart, where you can see the red component surpasses that of Albania and mainland Greece.

Spain would be at the top of IE input too.

[Sikeliot]

Spain would be at the top of IE input too.

Correct. But it is interesting to me that the Spanish have as much of the Arabian/Levantine/Berber component as do Cretans, Dodecanese, and the lower end of the southern Italian spectrum (Trapani, Basilicata, Apulia).

[Bobby Martnen]

So Palermitans are some of the more MENA Sicilians, but they're not the most MENA Sicilians.

[Sikeliot]

So Palermitans are some of the more MENA Sicilians, but they're not the most MENA Sicilians.

They are if you include Caucasus input as theirs is quite high. Palermo also has low North Euro, even despite supposed Norman input which appears extremely small.

[nightrider+]

Spain would be at the top of IE input too.

Depends on what you mean by IE. If you mean Yamnaya, no. If you mean central Euro Bell Beaker or something, probably.

[Sikeliot]

I still maintain what I said before: Sicilians/Calabrese appear to basically be Cypriots with ~10% Steppe, and are differentiated from Albanians and mainland Greeks more clearly.

[Bobby Martnen]

I still maintain what I said before: Sicilians/Calabrese appear to basically be Cypriots with ~10% Steppe, and are differentiated from Albanians and mainland Greeks more clearly.

Cypriots could be 1/2 Sicilian, 1/2 Lebanese.

[Sikeliot]

Cypriots could be 1/2 Sicilian, 1/2 Lebanese.

Basically, yes. That is how they come out.

Though this study seems to show them closer to Sicily than to Cyprus. If there was a part of Sicily completely devoid of Steppe input they would plot near Cyprus.