Some samples from the Olalde 2018 paper

[Ajeje Brazorf]

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?13972-How-much-ancestry-in-SE-England-(East-Anglia-Essex-Kent-etc)-is-pre-Anglo-Saxon&p=379582#post379582

France Middle-Late Neolithic
Z508543 - I4304 - 131021 SNPs used in this evaluation
Z497869 - I4305 - 125992 SNPs used in this evaluation
Z507601 - I4308 - 10104 SNPs used in this evaluation (low quality)

Scotland Neolithic
Z086971 - I2634 - 77019 SNPs used in this evaluation
Z491527 - I2636 - 135569 SNPs used in this evaluation
Z818897 - I7554 - 124619 SNPs used in this evaluation

England CA Early Bronze Age:
Z862428 - I7630 - 2890 SNPs used in this evaluation (low quality)
Z029180 - I7635 - 78515 SNPs used in this evaluation
Z508537 - I7638 - 95776 SNPs used in this evaluation
Z197889 - I7639 - 9911 SNPs used in this evaluation (low quality)
Z584734 - I2421 - 63777 SNPs used in this evaluation
Z155853 - I2457 - 114845 SNPs used in this evaluation

England Middle Bronze Age:
Z665145 - I2458 - 131142 SNPs used in this evaluation
Z813512 - I3082 - 109855 SNPs used in this evaluation

England Late Bronze Age:
Z509785 - I5383 - 47603 SNPs used in this evaluation (low quality)

Netherlands Bronze Age:
Z182123 - I4070 - 110867 SNPs used in this evaluation
Z173284 - I4071 - 124525 SNPs used in this evaluation

Czech Early Bronze Age:
Z036686 - I5035 - 112085 SNPs used in this evaluation

Sicily Bell Beakers:
Z251090 - I4930 - 6615 SNPs used in this evaluation (low quality)
Z618185 - I4933 - 136 SNPs used in this evaluation (low quality)
Z747726 - I4936 - 1104 SNPs used in this evaluation (low quality)

[Sikeliot]

Late Bronze Age England is very close to modern English and Irish:

# Population Percent
1 Neolithic 28.62
2 Steppe 27.31
3 NorthEastEuropean 24.69
4 Caucasian 10.76
5 Indian 3.48
6 NearEast 2.1
7 Amerindian 1.65
8 Arctic 0.61
9 Oceanic 0.56
10 EastAfrican 0.2
11 Siberian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Orcadian (Orkney_Islands) 5.64
2 Scottish (Argyll_bute) 5.8
3 English (Cornwall) 5.92
4 Irish (Cork_Kerry) 6.19
5 Irish (Ulster) 6.33
6 English (Kent) 6.58
7 Irish (Leinster) 6.91
8 Irish (Connacht) 6.93
9 Scottish (Highlands) 7.14
10 Icelandic (Iceland) 7.29
11 Irish (Munster) 7.44
12 Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) 7.5
13 Scottish (Grampian) 7.59
14 English (England) 7.63
15 Norwegian (Norwegia) 7.69
16 French (WestFrance) 7.95
17 Scottish (Borders) 8.11
18 Scottish (Fife) 8.25
19 Scottish (Dumfries_Galloway) 8.43
20 Irish (Ireland) 8.51

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 86.2% Scottish (Argyll_bute) + 13.8% Basque (France) @ 4.25
2 87.2% Orcadian (Orkney_Islands) + 12.8% Basque (France) @ 4.32
3 84.1% Scottish (Argyll_bute) + 15.9% Spanish (Pais_Vasco) @ 4.55
4 83.8% Scottish (Argyll_bute) + 16.2% French (SouthFrance) @ 4.58
5 85.1% Orcadian (Orkney_Islands) + 14.9% French (SouthFrance) @ 4.63
6 84.3% Orcadian (Orkney_Islands) + 15.7% Spanish (Castilla_la_Mancha) @ 4.97
7 82.2% Icelandic (Iceland) + 17.8% Basque (France) @ 4.99
8 85.3% Orcadian (Orkney_Islands) + 14.7% Spanish (Cantabria) @ 5.02
9 96.5% Orcadian (Orkney_Islands) + 3.5% Bengali (Bangladesh_BEB) @ 5.03
10 84% Scottish (Argyll_bute) + 16% Spanish (Cantabria) @ 5.05
11 96.6% Orcadian (Orkney_Islands) + 3.4% Punjabi (Lahore) @ 5.05
12 96.5% Orcadian (Orkney_Islands) + 3.5% Malayan (Andhra_Pradesh) @ 5.06
13 85.9% Orcadian (Orkney_Islands) + 14.1% Spanish (Aragon) @ 5.06
14 96.6% Orcadian (Orkney_Islands) + 3.4% Chamar (Uttar_Pradesh) @ 5.07
15 96.6% Orcadian (Orkney_Islands) + 3.4% GujaratiC (Gujarat) @ 5.07
16 96.5% Orcadian (Orkney_Islands) + 3.5% Pulliyar (Kerala) @ 5.08
17 96.6% Orcadian (Orkney_Islands) + 3.4% Hakkipikki (Karnataka) @ 5.08
18 96.5% Orcadian (Orkney_Islands) + 3.5% Nihali (Madhya_Pradesh) @ 5.08
19 96.6% Orcadian (Orkney_Islands) + 3.4% Bhil (Maharashtra) @ 5.09
20 96.6% Orcadian (Orkney_Islands) + 3.4% Madiga (Telangana) @ 5.09

[Jana]

Bronze age Czech looks Germanic.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 41.26
2 Baltic 26.05
3 West_Med 16.15
4 West_Asian 10.34
5 South_Asian 3.58
6 Amerindian 1.23
7 Northeast_African 0.89
8 Oceanian 0.51

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_German 9.04
2 South_Dutch 9.15
3 West_German 9.15
4 East_German 9.62
5 Austrian 9.66
6 Danish 10.7
7 North_Dutch 10.75
8 Orcadian 11.03
9 Irish 11.17
10 Southeast_English 11.18
11 Swedish 11.33
12 Southwest_English 11.63
13 Norwegian 11.79
14 West_Scottish 12.26
15 French 13.46
16 Hungarian 13.65
17 North_Swedish 14.55
18 Croatian 17.52
19 Moldavian 18.65
20 Serbian 18.66

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 65.3% Irish + 34.7% Moldavian @ 6.09
2 62.7% West_Scottish + 37.3% Moldavian @ 6.46
3 64.4% Southwest_English + 35.6% Moldavian @ 6.46
4 64.3% Irish + 35.7% Croatian @ 6.59
5 63.1% Southwest_English + 36.9% Croatian @ 6.77
6 66.7% Orcadian + 33.3% Moldavian @ 6.8
7 56.7% East_German + 43.3% Irish @ 6.87
8 66.6% Southwest_English + 33.4% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 6.92
9 61.4% West_Scottish + 38.6% Croatian @ 6.93
10 58.4% East_German + 41.6% Southwest_English @ 6.99
11 56.7% Austrian + 43.3% Irish @ 6.99
12 60.7% East_German + 39.3% West_Scottish @ 7.12
13 86.5% Orcadian + 13.5% Kalash @ 7.18
14 65.7% Orcadian + 34.3% Croatian @ 7.23
15 68.5% Irish + 31.5% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 7.24
16 84.5% Orcadian + 15.5% Kabardin @ 7.25
17 58.8% Austrian + 41.2% Southwest_English @ 7.26
18 60.8% Austrian + 39.2% West_Scottish @ 7.27
19 57.7% Irish + 42.3% Hungarian @ 7.28
20 68.4% Southwest_English + 31.6% Ukrainian @ 7.28

[Ajeje Brazorf]

It's raining aDNA! Hallelujah! It's raining aDNA! Amen!

[Leto]

One of the best quality samples, Bronze Age Netherlands. Pretty much Germanic

Kit Z173284

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 54.89
2 Baltic 25.4
3 West_Asian 7.45
4 West_Med 6.1
5 Northeast_African 1.67
6 South_Asian 1.56
7 Oceanian 1.42
8 Amerindian 1.29
9 Siberian 0.21
10 Red_Sea 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Norwegian 6.53
2 Irish 6.85
3 West_Scottish 6.91
4 North_Dutch 7.14
5 Danish 7.19
6 Orcadian 7.8
7 Swedish 8.63
8 North_German 9.02
9 Southwest_English 9.87
10 Southeast_English 9.93
11 North_Swedish 14.3
12 South_Dutch 14.65
13 West_German 15.16
14 East_German 19.11
15 Austrian 19.2
16 French 20.13
17 Southwest_Finnish 22.61
18 Hungarian 23.05
19 South_Polish 26.74
20 La_Brana-1 26.84

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 58.5% Norwegian + 41.5% West_Scottish @ 6.11
2 59% Norwegian + 41% Irish @ 6.21
3 90.7% West_Scottish + 9.3% La_Brana-1 @ 6.37
4 68.5% West_Scottish + 31.5% Swedish @ 6.37
5 99.1% Norwegian + 0.9% Papuan @ 6.43
6 99% Norwegian + 1% Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator @ 6.46
7 99.1% Norwegian + 0.9% Ethiopian_Gumuz @ 6.47
8 99.2% Norwegian + 0.8% NAN_Melanesian @ 6.47
9 99.2% Norwegian + 0.8% Hadza @ 6.48
10 99.3% Norwegian + 0.7% Ethiopian_Anuak @ 6.49
11 99.1% Norwegian + 0.9% Balochi @ 6.5
12 99.1% Norwegian + 0.9% Brahui @ 6.5
13 99.1% Norwegian + 0.9% Sindhi @ 6.5
14 99.4% Norwegian + 0.6% Sudanese @ 6.5
15 99.3% Norwegian + 0.7% Kurumba @ 6.5
16 99.2% Norwegian + 0.8% Brahmin_UP @ 6.5
17 99.4% Norwegian + 0.6% Piramalai @ 6.5
18 99.1% Norwegian + 0.9% Punjabi_Jat @ 6.5
19 99.3% Norwegian + 0.7% Velamas @ 6.51
20 99.3% Norwegian + 0.7% Gujarati @ 6.51

[Leto]

A Neolithic Briton

Kit Z491527

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Med 51.01
2 North_Atlantic 33.27
3 East_Med 14.12
4 Red_Sea 1.19
5 East_Asian 0.38
6 Oceanian 0.04
7 Baltic 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Sardinian 11.51
2 Spanish_Andalucia 22.03
3 Spanish_Aragon 22.61
4 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 23.25
5 Spanish_Cantabria 23.68
6 Southwest_French 23.9
7 Spanish_Valencia 23.99
8 French_Basque 24.25
9 Spanish_Extremadura 24.29
10 Spanish_Murcia 24.9
11 Spanish_Galicia 25.69
12 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 25.7
13 Portuguese 26.06
14 North_Italian 26.33
15 Spanish_Cataluna 26.34
16 Tuscan 29.29
17 West_Sicilian 32.67
18 French 33.88
19 Italian_Abruzzo 35.05
20 South_Italian 35.99

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 69.6% Sardinian + 30.4% French_Basque @ 4.97
2 72.4% Sardinian + 27.6% Spanish_Aragon @ 8.24
3 74.3% Sardinian + 25.7% Southwest_French @ 8.53
4 74.5% Sardinian + 25.5% Spanish_Cantabria @ 8.69
5 74.7% Sardinian + 25.3% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 8.94
6 85.5% Sardinian + 14.5% Southwest_English @ 9.07
7 86.5% Sardinian + 13.5% West_Scottish @ 9.16
8 74.5% Sardinian + 25.5% Spanish_Andalucia @ 9.24
9 86.7% Sardinian + 13.3% Irish @ 9.25
10 86.8% Sardinian + 13.2% Orcadian @ 9.37
11 76.9% Sardinian + 23.1% Spanish_Valencia @ 9.4
12 78.3% Sardinian + 21.7% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 9.41
13 78.8% Sardinian + 21.2% Spanish_Cataluna @ 9.42
14 86.4% Sardinian + 13.6% Southeast_English @ 9.43
15 78% Sardinian + 22% Spanish_Murcia @ 9.51
16 87.9% Sardinian + 12.1% North_Dutch @ 9.64
17 88.5% Sardinian + 11.5% Norwegian @ 9.66
18 78.1% Sardinian + 21.9% Spanish_Extremadura @ 9.67
19 79.3% Sardinian + 20.7% Spanish_Galicia @ 9.68
20 88.2% Sardinian + 11.8% Danish @ 9.72

[Jana]

Interesting is how these modern BA samples score more west asian than modern people there do.

[JQP4545]

Do you know what part of France the Neolithic France samples are from?

[Voskos]

France Neolithic:
# Population Percent
1 European_Early_Farmers 64.4
2 Caucasian 12.97
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 10.31
4 North_African 6.54
5 Near_East 4.49
6 South_East_Asian 1.24
7 Khoisan 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Sardinian ( ) 11.57
2 Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS ( ) 14.08
3 French_South ( ) 14.27
4 Spanish_Aragon_IBS ( ) 17.26
5 Spanish_Cantabria_IBS ( ) 17.52
6 Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha_IBS ( ) 18.46
7 Spanish_Valencia_IBS ( ) 19.92
8 Basque_Spanish ( ) 20.02
9 Spanish_Andalucia_IBS ( ) 21.38
10 Basque_French ( ) 22.2
11 Spanish_Murcia_IBS ( ) 23.64
12 Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS ( ) 23.78
13 Spanish_Cataluna_IBS ( ) 24.08
14 Spanish_Galicia_IBS ( ) 24.74
15 Spanish_Extremadura_IBS ( ) 25.41
16 Spaniard ( ) 26.31
17 Spanish_Canarias_IBS ( ) 29
18 Portugese ( ) 30.94
19 Spanish_Baleares_IBS ( ) 31.35
20 French ( ) 33.95

[Petalpusher]

Do you know what part of France the Neolithic France samples are from?

Southeast, there shouldn't be any difference with other neolithics anyway. In dstat it's virtually the same as some Scottish and English neo. Eastern euro neolithics are a bit different, probably because they didn't have much WHG types still roaming around in the neolithic, so they didn't go as much left towards WHG absorbing mesolithics with time, they just look like basic Anatolia_N or intermediates.

https://tof.cx/images/2018/04/16/4cda845919d9871a9c39baca480451fc.jpg


Yellow dots BB are generally from the east, south and central. One is clearly transitional, sitting somewhere in between the Beakers and the Neo.

[Aren]

Southeast, there shouldn't be any difference with other neolithics anyway. In dstat it's virtually the same as some Scottish and English neo. Eastern euro neolithics are a bit different, probably because they didn't have much WHG types still roaming around in the neolithic, so they didn't go as much left towards WHG absorbing mesolithics with time, they just look like basic Anatolia_N or intermediates.

https://tof.cx/images/2018/04/16/4cda845919d9871a9c39baca480451fc.jpg


Yellow dots BB are generally from the east, south and central. One is clearly transitional, sitting somewhere in between the Beakers and the Neo.

Idk if there has been a reasonable explanation other than that ancient samples shouldn't be run in modern calculators like Eurogenes K13 and 15 but I can't help to wonder why certain neolthic samples especially from Western Europe score nearly no East Med. Meanwhile Sardinians score almost 30%.

Like the French neo

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Med 51.21
2 Atlantic 33
3 North_Sea 8.3
4 Red_Sea 3.91
5 East_Med 3.33
6 Oceanian 0.25

England neo

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Med 46.79
2 Atlantic 33.27
3 East_Med 9.2
4 North_Sea 7.66
5 Red_Sea 2.23
6 Baltic 0.5
7 Southeast_Asian 0.31
8 Oceanian 0.04

[Petalpusher]

Idk if there has been a reasonable explanation other than that ancient samples shouldn't be run in modern calculators like Eurogenes K13 and 15 but I can't help to wonder why certain neolthic samples especially from Western Europe score nearly no East Med. Meanwhile Sardinians score almost 30%.

Like the French neo

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Med 51.21
2 Atlantic 33
3 North_Sea 8.3
4 Red_Sea 3.91
5 East_Med 3.33
6 Oceanian 0.25

England neo

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Med 46.79
2 Atlantic 33.27
3 East_Med 9.2
4 North_Sea 7.66
5 Red_Sea 2.23
6 Baltic 0.5
7 Southeast_Asian 0.31
8 Oceanian 0.04

Since they clearly got WHG when they arrived in west Europe (we see it now with more eastern neolithics). I think it's possible it did eat up most East med since it's very distant. What ive learned with time in admixture is when you make a mix with a new element it's going to replace/slice to most distant thing first, but yea it's also comparing ancients with moderns, not the best thing to do.

Also Sardinians are not exactly like those original farmers, it's a simplification they have bit of more recent influences negated by slightly more WHG, so they end up in the same area of genetic but they are not exactly the same.

[Aren]

Since they clearly got WHG when they arrived in west Europe (we see it now with more eastern neolithics). I think it's possible it did eat up most East med since it's very distant. What ive learned with time in admixture is when you make a mix with a new element it's going to replace/slice to most distant thing first, but yea it's also comparing ancients with moderns, not the best thing to do.

Also Sardinians are not exactly like those original farmers, it's a simplification they have bit of more recent influences negated by slightly more WHG, so they end up in the same area of genetic but they are not exactly the same.

This yes, I've been thinking about it too. But still the East Med component is somewhat of a mystery. It's probably not even fully Farmer.

[Petalpusher]

This yes, I've been thinking about it too. But still the East Med component is somewhat of a mystery. It's probably not even fully Farmer.

Very basal eurasian, without much of any sort of mesolithic or proto mesolithic, unlike what we refer as the anatolian farmers who clearly had some even before entering Europe. Otherwise they would be Bedouin or Palestinian but you can see the progression from Basal eurasian, Natufian, Anat_N, Europe_N. They went basically from fully basal to +/- half WHG and further more like some very late neo who had massive mesolithic on top of their neolithic like the Danish LN, probably the highest found post meso.

[JQP4545]

The Middle Neolithic farmer sample from Ballynahatty, Ireland was estimated to be 42% WHG (http://www.pnas.org/content/113/2/368.full) and the remainder Early Neolithic Farmer. If you run the Ballynahatty sample through the Dodecad K12b you get:

Population
Gedrosia -
Siberian -
Northwest_African 4.91
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 62.47
North_European 13.39
South_Asian -
East_African 0.44
Southwest_Asian 6.42
East_Asian 0.90
Caucasus 9.95
Sub_Saharan 1.52

Which is very similar to other Neolithic farmers in Western Europe.