GED match results from bronze age Portuguese from lower Alentejo

[FilhoV]

Kit Number: T277697 Elapsed Time: 4.91 seconds


Population
North_Atlantic 46.80
Baltic 4.86
West_Med 45.59
West_Asian -
East_Med 2.75
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

[Aren]

Very interesting. Seems like this sample has some Steppe, but even less so than modern day Basque

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 50.02
2 Natufian 42.75
3 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 7.23

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Basque 4.92
2 Spanish 10.3
3 Sardinian 10.87
4 French 11.94
5 English 13.91
6 Hungarian 14.51
7 Croatian 14.71
8 Czech 14.8
9 Scottish 14.94
10 Icelandic 15.82
11 Europe_EN 16.35
12 Norwegian 16.38
13 Romanian 16.55
14 Ukrainian 16.69
15 Europe_LNBA 17.48
16 Bulgarian 18.1
17 Lithuanian 18.29
18 Estonian 18.87
19 Albanian 20.1
20 Finnish 21.95

[Friends of Oliver Society]

So this would be someone who lived between 3000 BC to 1000 BC.

[Aren]

So this would be someone who lived between 3000 BC to 1000 BC.

Yeah would be interesting to know if it's from the Late or Middle Bronze Age.

[Petalpusher]

Results looks like a mid/late neolithic even if he is from the BA era so very high WHG. The ANE is maybe not even from any real steppe as he doesn't score West Asian/CHG, just a local HG that had some ANE, but try K16 with it. I would say that you add a touch of legit BA and you have a Basque, not much changed there in the last 5000 years or so.

[Aren]

Results looks like a mid/late neolithic even if he is from the BA era so very high WHG. The ANE is maybe not even from any real steppe as he doesn't score West Asian/CHG, just a local HG that had some ANE, but try K16 with it. I would say that you add a touch of legit BA and you have a Basque, not much changed there in the last 5000 years or so.

He/She does score CHG

# Population Percent
1 Anatolian_NF 57.09
2 European_HG 34.41
3 Caucasus_HG 8.5

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 French_South 4.36
2 Basque_Spaniard 4.81
3 Spanish_Northeast 9.98
4 Spanish_Southwest 13.44
5 Italian_Bergamo 14.29
6 Spanish_Canaries 14.85
7 Sardinian 16.22
8 French 16.61
9 Belgian 21.43
10 German_South 21.59
11 Utahn_European 22.86
12 Romanian 23.12
13 Tuscan 23.41
14 English_South 24.5
15 Albanian 24.59
16 Dutch_South 25.27
17 Greek 25.69
18 Irish 25.81
19 Croatian 26.99
20 Norwegian 27.5

I think this is probably Middle Bronze Age, post Beaker period. Iberia probably got another wave of Steppe-rich input after the Celtic migrations during the Iron Age.

[FilhoV]

It’s late Bronze Age

[FilhoV]

The proximity with southern French people is also very fascinating considering southern French samples on commercial tests are scoring very high Iberian scores sometimes higher than proper Iberians of Spain and Portugal

[Aren]

The proximity with southern French people is also very fascinating considering southern French samples on commercial tests are scoring very high Iberian scores sometimes higher than proper Iberians of Spain and Portugal

Yeah I guess it's mostly SW French. Petalpusher if I'm not misstaken he and his parents are from Southeastern France and score rather differently.

[Petalpusher]

Yeah I guess it's mostly SW French. Petalpusher if I'm not misstaken he and his parents are from Southeastern France and score rather differently.

"South France" is always the southwest, the sample is from Toulouse, very Basque like. Roughly half East France / half Basque.

There's also a "Provencal" sample but it's from Nice, which is bit of an odd choice of location since it was an Italian town not long ago. Im guessing they selected it so they have something that looks different enough than the central-east sample (Vénicieux) but as a result no actual Provencal match it, unless they are indeed from Nice or the close surroundings. My mother and grandmother get pretty much everything you can imagine before Provence, and they are from Provence..

[Aren]

"South France" is always the southwest, the sample is from Toulouse, very Basque like. Roughly half East France / half Basque.

There's also a "Provencal" sample but it's from Nice, which is bit of an odd choice of location since it was an Italian town not long ago. Im guessing they selected it so they have something that looks different enough than the central-east sample (Vénicieux) but as a result no actual Provencal match it, unless they are indeed from Nice or the close surroundings.

I wonder how they even managed to get these samples. Isn't it illegal in France to collect DNA for genetic studies? I remember there was a study of Western Frenchmen were the poor authors had to collect the DNA from elderly sick people from various hospitals in Western France.

[Petalpusher]

I wonder how they even managed to get these samples. Isn't it illegal in France to collect DNA for genetic studies? I remember there was a study of Western Frenchmen were the poor authors had to collect the DNA from elderly sick people from various hospitals in Western France.

Studies are not forbidden, i guess until the point they become politically incorrect, i remember that Uk organisation who tried to make that study on Normands had all the far left associations on their back here. I never cared about the supposed illegality or not of taking dna tests anyway cause if you listen to all the cryptic laws here you do nothing, and im not concerned by all this anymore but if you are a researcher you are probably always treading on thin ice, i think it's the same in Germany however, ever noticed how little German samples and studies there are..

[Ibericus]

he is in the process of becoming a basque, but still needs more northern-euro input, that's why he scores 78% basque + 22% Sardinian, probably the Celtic input raised it to establish the modern levels, Since it's a late bronze age sample.

[Peterski]

he is in the process of becoming a basque, but still needs more northern-euro input, that's why he scores 78% basque + 22% Sardinian, probably the Celtic input raised it to establish the modern levels, Since it's a late bronze age sample.

And that process was probably never completed in Portugal?

Or do you think that all of Iberia was at some point Basque-like?

[Ibericus]

And that process was probably never completed in Portugal?

Or do you think that all of Iberia was at some point Basque-like?
yes I think so, at one point they were basque-like, probably by the end of branze-age to early Iron Age, today there is no one plotting on the axis between basques and sardinians, the shift from basque to modern is not extra Farmer ancestry, is the extra-euro stuff:

[1] "distance%=3.5783

Spanish_Pais_Vasco
"Iberia_MN" 68.2
"Yamnaya_Kalmykia" 31.8


Anatolia_BA = Eastern-Med / West-Asian sources :

[1] "distance%=2.5212
Portuguese
"Iberia_MN" 51.55
"Yamnaya_Kalmykia" 28.45
"Anatolia_BA" 11.55
"Moroccan" 8.45

[1] "distance%=3.493 / distance=0.03493"
Spanish_Valencia
Iberia_MN 56.05
Yamnaya_Kalmykia 30.1
Anatolia_BA 12.5
Moroccan 1.35

[Vasconcelos]

yes I think so, at one point they were basque-like, probably by the end of branze-age to early Iron Age, today there is no one plotting on the axis between basques and sardinians, the shift from basque to modern is not extra Farmer ancestry, is the extra-euro stuff:

[1] "distance%=3.5783

Spanish_Pais_Vasco
"Iberia_MN" 68.2
"Yamnaya_Kalmykia" 31.8


Anatolia_BA = Eastern-Med / West-Asian sources :

[1] "distance%=2.5212
Portuguese
"Iberia_MN" 51.55
"Yamnaya_Kalmykia" 28.45
"Anatolia_BA" 11.55
"Moroccan" 8.45

[1] "distance%=3.493 / distance=0.03493"
Spanish_Valencia
Iberia_MN 56.05
Yamnaya_Kalmykia 30.1
Anatolia_BA 12.5
Moroccan 1.35

You start seeing a significant increase in Steppe ancestry in the beggining of the last millenium BC, Basques were probably affected by this, but perhaps not as much as everyone else. These were probably related to Urnfield, Cogotas II or some other Celtic-like groups that eventually became Lusitanians, Celtiberians and whatnot

http://www.r1b.org/imgs/David_Reich_Lecture.png

If you make a model with Iberia_BA instead of MN (it has increased WHG ancestry and low steppe), an IA European population like Hallstatt celts from Bylany, and some of those "East Med" samples from Collegno which overlap with Imperial Romans you can easily see the difference between Basques and other Iberians

[1] "distance%=1.2471"

Basque_Spanish

Iberia_BA,76.8
Hallstatt_Bylany,23.2


[1] "distance%=1.3863"

Spanish_Cantabria

Iberia_BA,49.6
Hallstatt_Bylany,33.2
Italy_Medieval_Collegno_o1,16.2
Iberomaurusian,1


[1] "distance%=1.2908"

Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon

Hallstatt_Bylany,45.2
Iberia_BA,30.8
Italy_Medieval_Collegno_o1,19.8
Iberomaurusian,4.2


[1] "distance%=1.1052"

Spanish_Andalucia

Iberia_BA,38
Hallstatt_Bylany,34.8
Italy_Medieval_Collegno_o1,25
Iberomaurusian,2.2