Iranian GEDmatch kits

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Warning: they may also be not fully Iranian, I couldn't verify their origins.

A103188
1 balochi_hgdp + georgian_harappa + iranian_harappa + syrian_behar @ 2.299037
M346537
1 armenian_behar + lezgin_behar + samaritian_behar + sindhi_hgdp @ 1.715126
A969963
1 armenian_yunusbayev + bhatia_harappa + turk-kayseri_hodoglugil + yemenese_behar @ 2.500079
M508781
1 bhatia_harappa + iranian_behar + north-ossetian_harappa + palestinian_harappa @ 1.860862
M470761
1 bhatia_harappa + kurd_xing + kurd_xing + palestinian_hgdp @ 1.981406
T524191
1 balochi_hgdp + samaritian_behar + urkarah_xing + uzbekistan-jew_behar @ 2.167687
A114871
1 balochi_hgdp + georgian_behar + kurd_yunusbayev + uzbekistan-jew_behar @ 1.691357

[Leto]

You should run them through K13

[Leto]

This one seems to be closest to the reference

Kit M470761

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 37.57
2 East_Med 28.82
3 South_Asian 13.92
4 Red_Sea 6.06
5 Baltic 4.76
6 West_Med 4.4
7 North_Atlantic 1.68
8 Northeast_African 1.29
9 Amerindian 0.6
10 Sub-Saharan 0.43
11 Siberian 0.42
12 Oceanian 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Iranian 3.98
2 Kurdish 6.45
3 Azeri 8.49
4 Georgian_Jewish 13.53
5 Armenian 13.83
6 Turkish 14.11
7 Assyrian 15.42
8 Iranian_Jewish 16.25
9 Kumyk 16.67
10 Turkmen 16.77
11 Kurdish_Jewish 17.5
12 Georgian 18.67
13 Adygei 19.01
14 Abhkasian 19.82
15 Balkar 20.89
16 Ossetian 21.12
17 Lebanese_Muslim 21.39
18 Kabardin 21.52
19 North_Ossetian 21.58
20 Lezgin 21.69

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 94.6% Iranian + 5.4% Kanjar @ 2.36
2 94.7% Iranian + 5.3% Velamas @ 2.38
3 94.9% Iranian + 5.1% Kol @ 2.38
4 94.5% Iranian + 5.5% Dharkar @ 2.38
5 95.1% Iranian + 4.9% Piramalai @ 2.39
6 93.8% Iranian + 6.2% Kshatriya @ 2.39
7 95% Iranian + 5% North_Kannadi @ 2.4
8 95% Iranian + 5% Dusadh @ 2.42
9 95.4% Iranian + 4.6% Chamar @ 2.42
10 94.9% Iranian + 5.1% Kurumba @ 2.42
11 93.8% Iranian + 6.2% Gujarati @ 2.42
12 94.9% Iranian + 5.1% Uttar_Pradesh @ 2.43
13 95.4% Iranian + 4.6% Sakilli @ 2.44
14 93.7% Iranian + 6.3% Brahmin_UP @ 2.46
15 95.1% Iranian + 4.9% Chenchu @ 2.48
16 92.1% Iranian + 7.9% Sindhi @ 2.56
17 94.3% Iranian + 5.7% Bangladeshi @ 2.57
18 91.3% Iranian + 8.7% Pathan @ 2.62
19 92.5% Iranian + 7.5% Punjabi_Jat @ 2.64
20 96.1% Iranian + 3.9% Austroasiatic_Ho @ 2.84

[Leto]

Dodecad K12b Oracle results:

Kit M470761

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 35.84
2 Gedrosia 28.75
3 Southwest_Asian 14.42
4 South_Asian 6
5 Atlantic_Med 5.31
6 North_European 5.23
7 East_African 1.83
8 Siberian 1.33
9 Northwest_African 1.08
10 Sub_Saharan 0.2

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Iranians (Behar) 3.19
2 Iranian (Dodecad) 5.57
3 Kurd (Dodecad) 6.52
4 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 8.05
5 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 13.26
6 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 14.76
7 Turks (Behar) 17.98
8 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 18.61
9 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 19.06
10 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 19.7
11 Assyrian (Dodecad) 19.74
12 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 19.95
13 Turkish (Dodecad) 20.27
14 Lebanese (Behar) 21.27
15 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 21.34
16 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 21.8
17 Syrians (Behar) 22.08
18 Armenian (Dodecad) 22.34
19 Jordanians (Behar) 24.09
20 Lezgins (Behar) 24.31

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 97.4% Iranians (Behar) + 2.6% Pulliyar (Metspalu) @ 2.21
2 97.4% Iranians (Behar) + 2.6% MALAYAN (Behar) @ 2.31
3 97.5% Iranians (Behar) + 2.5% Ho (Chaubey) @ 2.35
4 97.3% Iranians (Behar) + 2.7% Nihali (Metspalu) @ 2.36
5 97.5% Iranians (Behar) + 2.5% Savara (Chaubey) @ 2.36
6 97.4% Iranians (Behar) + 2.6% ASUR (Chaubey) @ 2.37
7 97.5% Iranians (Behar) + 2.5% Kharia (Chaubey) @ 2.39
8 97.3% Iranians (Behar) + 2.7% Gond (Metspalu) @ 2.44
9 97.6% Iranians (Behar) + 2.4% Juang (Chaubey) @ 2.46
10 97.4% Iranians (Behar) + 2.6% North_Kannadi (Behar) @ 2.47
11 97.6% Iranians (Behar) + 2.4% BONDA (Chaubey) @ 2.47
12 97.4% Iranians (Behar) + 2.6% Hakkipikki (Metspalu) @ 2.5
13 94.5% Iranians (Behar) + 5.5% Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) @ 2.54
14 97.4% Iranians (Behar) + 2.6% Chamar (Metspalu) @ 2.54
15 88.6% Kurd (Dodecad) + 11.4% Cochin_Jews (Behar) @ 2.54
16 97.3% Iranians (Behar) + 2.7% Chenchus (Metspalu) @ 2.58
17 97.4% Iranians (Behar) + 2.6% SAKILLI (Behar) @ 2.58
18 97.3% Iranians (Behar) + 2.7% Kol (Metspalu) @ 2.6
19 97.5% Iranians (Behar) + 2.5% Ethiopians (Behar) @ 2.62
20 97.6% Iranians (Behar) + 2.4% Ethiopian_Jews (Behar) @ 2.63

[Hadouken]

This one seems to be closest to the reference

Kit M470761

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 37.57
2 East_Med 28.82
3 South_Asian 13.92
4 Red_Sea 6.06
5 Baltic 4.76
6 West_Med 4.4
7 North_Atlantic 1.68
8 Northeast_African 1.29
9 Amerindian 0.6
10 Sub-Saharan 0.43
11 Siberian 0.42
12 Oceanian 0.05


bump for Aren

lets compare to my (turkish kurd) results

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 36.06
2 East_Med 30.76
3 West_Med 8.27
4 South_Asian 6.84
5 Red_Sea 6.06
6 North_Atlantic 4.67
7 Baltic 2.74
8 Sub-Saharan 1.29
9 Siberian 1.29
10 East_Asian 1.21
11 Amerindian 0.82

[Aren]

bump for Aren

lets compare to my (turkish kurd) results

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 36.06
2 East_Med 30.76
3 West_Med 8.27
4 South_Asian 6.84
5 Red_Sea 6.06
6 North_Atlantic 4.67
7 Baltic 2.74
8 Sub-Saharan 1.29
9 Siberian 1.29
10 East_Asian 1.21
11 Amerindian 0.82
Indeed lets compare

Dersim Kurd from Central Turkey

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 37.43
2 East_Med 29.23
3 North_Atlantic 9.16
4 South_Asian 8.03
5 Red_Sea 4.41
6 West_Med 4.01
7 Baltic 3.98
8 Siberian 1.62
9 Sub-Saharan 1.31
10 Oceanian 0.44
11 Amerindian 0.38

Southern Iranian

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 39.79
2 East_Med 27.59
3 South_Asian 9.22
4 Red_Sea 6.34
5 North_Atlantic 5.3
6 Baltic 3.34
7 West_Med 2.85
8 Siberian 1.94
9 East_Asian 1.9
10 Oceanian 1.05
11 Sub-Saharan 0.62
12 Northeast_African 0.03
13 Amerindian 0.03

Western Armenian

1 East_Med 37.86
2 West_Asian 35.41
3 West_Med 15.33
4 Red_Sea 4.83
5 North_Atlantic 4.12
6 South_Asian 0.97
7 Sub-Saharan 0.54
8 Amerindian 0.48
9 Oceanian 0.41
10 Siberian 0.05

Wow, despite the huge geographical distance the Kurd and the Iranian are much closer. I wonder why? Maybe meta-ethnicity, language, religion, historical origin, etc are important when it comes to auDNA?

[Hadouken]

why central turkey ? dersim is not central turkey . or do you mean he is living in western turkey but is originally from dersim

I run many armenian kits and they were not much different from ours btw . I had many kits of different peoples on my pc but had I lost many . when I find armenian again kits we can look into them more

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me


# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 36.06
2 East_Med 30.76
3 West_Med 8.27
4 South_Asian 6.84
5 Red_Sea 6.06
6 North_Atlantic 4.67
7 Baltic 2.74
8 Sub-Saharan 1.29
9 Siberian 1.29
10 East_Asian 1.21
11 Amerindian 0.82



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another Iranian

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 41.1
2 East_Med 27.45
3 South_Asian 11.19
4 Red_Sea 5.12
5 Baltic 4.86
6 West_Med 3.45
7 North_Atlantic 2.46
8 Sub-Saharan 2.21
9 Amerindian 1.33
10 East_Asian 0.73
11 Northeast_African 0.06
12 Oceanian 0.06

[Hadouken]

Armenian

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 36.13
2 West_Asian 35.35
3 West_Med 14.06
4 Red_Sea 6.34
5 South_Asian 3.53
6 North_Atlantic 3.09
7 Siberian 0.85
8 Baltic 0.65

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Armenian 3.72
2 Georgian_Jewish 4.76
3 Assyrian 5.1
4 Kurdish_Jewish 8.62
5 Iranian_Jewish 9.34
6 Turkish 9.72
7 Kurdish 11.08
8 Azeri 11.12
9 Lebanese_Muslim 12.2
10 Iranian 13.01
11 Syrian 14.34
12 Cyprian 15.23
13 Lebanese_Druze 16.94
14 Lebanese_Christian 17.07
15 Samaritan 18.57
16 Jordanian 19.18
17 Georgian 20.02
18 Palestinian 20.68
19 Abhkasian 21.15
20 Kumyk 21.38


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Armenian

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 38.86
2 East_Med 34.4
3 West_Med 13.5
4 Red_Sea 6.38
5 South_Asian 2.99
6 Baltic 2.12
7 North_Atlantic 0.91
8 Amerindian 0.8
9 Sub-Saharan 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Armenian 2.6
2 Georgian_Jewish 4.35
3 Assyrian 7.46
4 Kurdish 9.52
5 Kurdish_Jewish 11
6 Azeri 11.12
7 Turkish 11.24
8 Iranian_Jewish 11.78
9 Iranian 11.93
10 Lebanese_Muslim 15.52
11 Georgian 16.75
12 Syrian 17.24
13 Abhkasian 17.75
14 Cyprian 18.61
15 Kumyk 19.49
16 Lebanese_Christian 20.17
17 Lebanese_Druze 20.25
18 Adygei 20.63
19 Samaritan 21.67
20 Jordanian 21.84

[MEDACHE]

This one seems to be closest to the reference

Kit M470761

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 37.57
2 East_Med 28.82
3 South_Asian 13.92
4 Red_Sea 6.06
5 Baltic 4.76
6 West_Med 4.4
7 North_Atlantic 1.68
8 Northeast_African 1.29
9 Amerindian 0.6
10 Sub-Saharan 0.43
11 Siberian 0.42
12 Oceanian 0.05


No wonder why many Iranians resemble Pakis

[Babak]

No wonder why many Iranians resemble Pakis

Caspian Iranians have up to 15% South asian and look nothing like pakis at all.

[Hadouken]

a lot of the south asian component is similar to Iran_Neolithic / CHG . only some of it is angry negrito

[Pahli]

Mine:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 40.75
2 East_Med 29.46
3 South_Asian 9.19
4 West_Med 6.36
5 Red_Sea 5.33
6 North_Atlantic 4.88
7 Baltic 1.79
8 Northeast_African 0.74
9 Siberian 0.61
10 East_Asian 0.37
11 Amerindian 0.31
12 Sub-Saharan 0.21

[MEDACHE]

should compare them to pakistani results

[Pahli]

should compare them to pakistani results

Both Kurds and Iranians are different from Pakis, they score at least 30% South Asian.

[Hadouken]

I score 0% south asian on 23andme and on average around 6% on gedmatch . thats it . we are very far from south asians . iranians have more though (but also far from south asians)

[MEDACHE]

Both Kurds and Iranians are different from Pakis, they score at least 30% South Asian.

so you are saying the only difference between pakis and iranians is 15% desi?

[Pahli]

so you are saying the only difference between pakis and iranians is 15% desi?

There are more differences, Pakis dont have SW Asian or that much Mediterranean admixture, they're basically descendants of Neolithic Iranians with extra South Asian and some a bit more Steppe than us Kurds and Iranians, they're generally darker and different on audna as well

[Hadouken]

so you are saying the only difference between pakis and iranians is 15% desi?

I think they score rather around 35-40%

and they score barely and med which iranians score high

there are big differences between iranians and south asians mate . and as I just said (and shown) above we turkey kurds score even less (I score 0% on 23andme and 6% or so on gedmatch)

[Thambi]

so you are saying the only difference between pakis and iranians is 15% desi?

Iranians are just a tad bit south asian shifted compared to other MENAs but that doesnt make them similar to pakistanis. Maybe phenotype wise they look similar to pathans and balochis but genetically they are quite far from them as well, so you can imagine the distance between iranians and the bulk of pakistanis(punjabis, sindhis, kashmiris).

[MEDACHE]

I think they score rather around 35-40%

and they score barely and med which iranians score high

there are big differences between iranians and south asians mate . and as I just said (and shown) above we turkey kurds score even less (I score 0% on 23andme and 6% or so on gedmatch)

i assume the differences are minimal the closer you get to the pakistani border. i guess iranians that look like the guy in the following video are from eastern iran.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lnm3nQ0o9MA

[Pahli]

i assume the differences are minimal the closer you get to the pakistani border. i guess iranians that look like the guy in the following video are from eastern iran.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lnm3nQ0o9MA

South Eastern Iran has a Baloch majority, they are between Iranians and Pakis

[Hadouken]

I dont know any iranian in real life that looks like that guy . and I know quite a lot iranians lol

but yes some iranians look very east/south shifted . and another iranian for the record that doesnt pass among us +1

how dare I

[Thambi]

the girl is from masshad which is almost near turkmenistan border in northeast iran. I've seen their videos before. And she doesnt look indic lol. She looks turkic influenced if anything. look at those eyes.

not sure about the dude but he might be from somewhere in the east as well. He looks very gracile for an iranian, regardless of region. Most iranians I know are quite robust.

[MEDACHE]

South Eastern Iran has a Baloch majority, they are between Iranians and Pakis

Didn't know about Balochs until you mentioned them. Interesting enough, the guy in the vid had a Baloch appear in one of his vids. He doesn't look that exotic when compared to the Baloch.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwi-xFBiaI4

Other Iranians that have made an appearance, can they pass as Kurds?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeGDMlmMwBA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DV2ZNp45H2E

[MEDACHE]

bump for Hadouken

[Hadouken]

bump for Hadouken

wassup . do you have a question or something ?

[MEDACHE]

wassup . do you have a question or something ?

yeah lad, can the other iranians in those vids pass as kurds

[Hadouken]

yeah lad, can the other iranians in those vids pass as kurds

nope not at all

maybe the guy with the glasses in the second video as atypical

[Myanthropologies]

Caspian Iranians have up to 15% South asian and look nothing like pakis at all.

Caspian Iranians are also high in steppe and cluster close to Afghan Pashtuns genetically, especially those from Mazandaran.

[Myanthropologies]

a lot of the south asian component is similar to Iran_Neolithic / CHG . only some of it is angry negrito

Actually a study found that none of it as australoid. Look at the Indian genomics thread in my signature

[Hadouken]

Actually a study found that none of it as australoid. Look at the Indian genomics thread in my signature

too lazy to read it but I dont believe that

angry negrito ftw

[Pahli]

Actually a study found that none of it as australoid. Look at the Indian genomics thread in my signature

Iran_N and CHG both have Onge, but its hidden in South Asian, if you split it up, Iran_N wouldn't even get 10% Australoid, its something like 6 - 7% Australoid.

[Hadouken]

Iran_N and CHG both have Onge, but its hidden in South Asian, if you split it up, Iran_N wouldn't even get 10% Australoid, its something like 6 - 7% Australoid.

he means the ASI component

ASI is part onge and ASE is full onge/papuan/aborigine

we have had this topic already

[Babak]

Iran_N and CHG both have Onge, but its hidden in South Asian, if you split it up, Iran_N wouldn't even get 10% Australoid, its something like 6 - 7% Australoid.

Is that why iranians cluster with some tajik tajiks lol

[Pahli]

he means the ASI component

ASI is part onge and ASE is full onge/papuan/aborigine

we have had this topic already

Most West Asians have Onge but its low compared to SC Asia or South Asia.


Is that why iranians cluster with some tajik tajiks lol

Its complicated to explain tbh.

[Hadouken]

Most West Asians have Onge but its low compared to SC Asia or South Asia.

barely above noise level

south asians get 15 to 35 % with many in the 25% range

I have 2% for example

[Pahli]

barely above noise level

south asians get 15 to 35 % with many in the 25% range

I have 2% for example

I think I have 3% or something, I only notice the influence between my legs :laugh:

[Myanthropologies]

too lazy to read it but I dont believe that

angry negrito ftw

Just because you're too lazy to read the thread or study doesn't make it not true. Mainland India divides into 4 genetic clusters and amdamanese & nicobar islanders form a distinct 5th clade. If Indians truly had ancient onge/papuan admix, then they would have Australian denisovan ancestry. However, they have Siberian denisovan ancestry.


Iran_N and CHG both have Onge, but its hidden in South Asian, if you split it up, Iran_N wouldn't even get 10% Australoid, its something like 6 - 7% Australoid.
It's not onge

ASI is not once. Read my thread in my signature on India.

[lameduck]

No wonder why many Iranians resemble Pakis

iranian are significantly lighter than Pakis , its some Paki groups like Pashtun/Balochs/Dardics that have pull toward iranian. Difference between Pakistan and Iran is quite big despite being neighbouring countries simply because they belong to different civilizational zones with barrier of Balochistan Plateau in between. Kurds are even more lighter than average iranians.

[Hadouken]

iranian are significantly lighter than Pakis , its some Paki groups like Pashtun/Balochs/Dardics that have pull toward iranian. Difference between Pakistan and Iran is quite big despite being neighbouring countries simply because they belong to different civilizational zones with barrier of Balochistan Plateau in between. Kurds are even more lighter than average iranians.

it is not (only) about pigmentation . the reason why many pakistanis dont pass as iranians (and even less as kurds) are the facial features

there are some kurds darker than some pakistanis . some pakistanis can be quite light

[Pahli]

Just because you're too lazy to read the thread or study doesn't make it not true. Mainland India divides into 4 genetic clusters and amdamanese & nicobar islanders form a distinct 5th clade. If Indians truly had ancient onge/papuan admix, then they would have Australian denisovan ancestry. However, they have Siberian denisovan ancestry.


It's not onge

ASI is not once. Read my thread in my signature on India.

ASI is can be modelled as a mix of Onge / Australoid and Caucasoid, nothing to discuss here. Even if it isn't Onge / Australoid its a Negroid related population mixed with Caucasoid to form ASI, it doesn't change much at all.

[lameduck]

it is not (only) about pigmentation . the reason why many pakistanis dont pass as iranians (and even less as kurds) are the facial features

there are many kurds darker than some pakistanis

yeah but you guys dont have very dark types that even NW South Asian have in abundance because of large dalit population. This Pakistani boy from Khanewal no west asian can look like him.

http://iufdocuments.org/images/NadeemShakeel.jpg

[Myanthropologies]

iranian are significantly lighter than Pakis , its some Paki groups like Pashtun/Balochs/Dardics that have pull toward iranian. Difference between Pakistan and Iran is quite big despite being neighbouring countries simply because they belong to different civilizational zones with barrier of Balochistan Plateau in between. Kurds are even more lighter than average iranians.

I agree with this, except Pashtuns aren't Pakistanis. They will obviously look like Iranians because they are an Eastern Iranian people.

[Hadouken]

yeah but you guys dont have very dark types that even NW South Asian have in abundance because of large dalit population. This Pakistani boy from Khanewal no west asian can look like him.

http://iufdocuments.org/images/NadeemShakeel.jpg

of course we are lighter but I meant that some pakistanis can be quite light and lighter than kurds but the facial features are often different still . and of course what is considered dark among us is not the same as what is considered dark in south asia . yes that man is a good example of course

[Myanthropologies]

ASI is can be modelled as a mix of Onge / Australoid and Caucasoid, nothing to discuss here. Even if it isn't Onge / Australoid its a Negroid related population mixed with Caucasoid to form ASI, it doesn't change much at all.

You're over interpreting ADMIXTURE and gedmatch calculators without understanding their limitations. You're also ignoring the content of new academic studies like the one mentioned in my thread.

[lameduck]

I agree with this, except Pashtuns aren't Pakistanis. They will obviously look like Iranians because they are an Eastern Iranian people.

Pakistani Pashtuns are Pakistanis they are quite close to ancient samples from swat. Also even Pashtuns are quite different from iranians on audna, but they defintily have pull toward iranians

[Pahli]

yeah but you guys dont have very dark types that even NW South Asian have in abundance because of large dalit population. This Pakistani boy from Khanewal no west asian can look like him.

http://iufdocuments.org/images/NadeemShakeel.jpg

Most likely descendant of pre-Aryan Pakistanis, sample from Saidu Sharif;

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 S_Indian 67
2 Caucasian 21.58
3 E_Asian 2.41
4 Oceanian 2.28
5 Siberian 2.01
6 Amerindian 1.94
7 Wht_Nile_River 1.04
8 NE_European 0.91
9 Beringian 0.83

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Tamil_Nadu_SC 3.73
2 Uttar_Pradesh_SC 4.31
3 Tharus 8.49
4 Sakilli 8.97
5 Kanjar 10.03

[lameduck]

Most likely descendant of pre-Aryan Pakistanis, sample from Saidu Sharif;

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 S_Indian 67
2 Caucasian 21.58
3 E_Asian 2.41
4 Oceanian 2.28
5 Siberian 2.01
6 Amerindian 1.94
7 Wht_Nile_River 1.04
8 NE_European 0.91
9 Beringian 0.83

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Tamil_Nadu_SC 3.73
2 Uttar_Pradesh_SC 4.31
3 Tharus 8.49
4 Sakilli 8.97
5 Kanjar 10.03


yeah these people are the real omnipresent population of South Asia.

[Pahli]

You're over interpreting ADMIXTURE and gedmatch calculators without understanding their limitations. You're also ignoring the content of new academic studies like the one mentioned in my thread.

It doesn't matter if we use Gedmatch or something else, you can even look at pictures of South Asians like Panjiyar or Velamas and make a conclusion that ASI derives from a mix of a Negroid and Caucasoid population, as it has been concluded genetically as well.

[Myanthropologies]

Pakistani Pashtuns are Pakistanis they are quite close to ancient samples from swat. Also even Pashtuns are quite different from iranians on audna, but they defintily have pull toward iranians

Actually that isn't true. It depends on the Iranians. Pashtuns on IBD have a significant sharing with Iranians, and even with ADMIXTURE, Caspian Iranians from Mazandaran come out genetically close to Afghan Pashtuns. There was a Caspian Iranian who used to post here who came out very genetically similar to Afghan Pashtuns.

[Babak]

Actually that isn't true. It depends on the Iranians. Pashtuns on IBD have a significant sharing with Iranians, and even with ADMIXTURE, Caspian Iranians from Mazandaran come out genetically close to Afghan Pashtuns. There was a Caspian Iranian who used to post here who came out very genetically similar to Afghan Pashtuns.

I think thats because of shared Iran Neo

[Myanthropologies]

It doesn't matter if we use Gedmatch or something else, you can even look at pictures of South Asians like Panjiyar or Velamas and make a conclusion that ASI derives from a mix of a Negroid and Caucasoid population, as it has been concluded genetically as well.

Gedmatch isn't an academic source and academic sources as of recent claim otherwise.

[Myanthropologies]

I think thats because of shared Iran Neo

Nonetheless, Iranians are still close, especially Caspian ones.

[lameduck]

Actually that isn't true. It depends on the Iranians. Pashtuns on IBD have a significant sharing with Iranians, and even with ADMIXTURE, Caspian Iranians from Mazandaran come out genetically close to Afghan Pashtuns. There was a Caspian Iranian who used to post here who came out very genetically similar to Afghan Pashtuns.

can you post his results , Pashtuns and Balochs do share high drift with iranians , this is because of ancient iran Neolithic link , also Pashtuns and Balochs and Chitralis etc live on iranian Platueau not on Indian subcontinet, about 30% Pakistanis have origin on iranian plateau.

[Pahli]

Gedmatch isn't an academic source and academic sources as of recent claim otherwise.

You are avoiding my comment, let me make myself clear;

http://worlddocumentaryphotographer.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/portrait-of-man-with-long-flowing-hair.jpg

This man is from the Vedda tribe in Sri Lanka, he looks to me mostly Australoid / Negroid with a mix of some Caucasoid / Papuan and these people are very South Asian genetically. It doesn't take nuclear science to conclude that the South Asian component is somewhat related to these people.

[Impaler]

Iranian results:

Eurogenes K13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 51.88
2 East_Med 23.56
3 South_Asian 8.65
4 West_Med 6.85
5 North_Atlantic 2.62
6 Oceanian 1.73
7 Red_Sea 1.6
8 Amerindian 1.27
9 Northeast_African 1.07
10 Sub-Saharan 0.54
11 East_Asian 0.15
12 Siberian 0.08

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Abhkasian 8.64
2 Georgian 9.06
3 Kurdish 12.6
4 Ossetian 14.06
5 Adygei 14.67
6 Iranian 15.1
7 North_Ossetian 16.02
8 Kumyk 16.52
9 Balkar 16.75
10 Armenian 16.98
11 Azeri 17
12 Kabardin 18.43
13 Chechen 18.92
14 Lezgin 18.97
15 Georgian_Jewish 20.03
16 Tabassaran 21.07
17 Turkish 21.31
18 Makrani 21.68
19 Turkmen 22.43
20 Assyrian 23.33

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 76.2% Abhkasian + 23.8% Makrani @ 5.64
2 90.7% Abhkasian + 9.3% Velamas @ 5.71
3 91.4% Abhkasian + 8.6% Piramalai @ 5.73
4 90.9% Abhkasian + 9.1% Kurumba @ 5.76
5 91.9% Abhkasian + 8.1% Sakilli @ 5.82
6 91.2% Abhkasian + 8.8% Dusadh @ 5.85
7 92% Abhkasian + 8% Chamar @ 5.91
8 85.9% Abhkasian + 14.1% Sindhi @ 5.95
9 91.6% Abhkasian + 8.4% Chenchu @ 5.96
10 91.4% Abhkasian + 8.6% Kol @ 5.99
11 91.7% Abhkasian + 8.3% North_Kannadi @ 6.03
12 91.3% Abhkasian + 8.7% Uttar_Pradesh @ 6.04
13 90.9% Abhkasian + 9.1% Dharkar @ 6.08
14 91.1% Abhkasian + 8.9% Kanjar @ 6.08
15 90% Abhkasian + 10% Kshatriya @ 6.16
16 89.8% Abhkasian + 10.2% Gujarati @ 6.19
17 89.9% Abhkasian + 10.1% Brahmin_UP @ 6.3
18 76.2% Georgian + 23.8% Makrani @ 6.32
19 90.7% Abhkasian + 9.3% Bangladeshi @ 6.37
20 80.8% Abhkasian + 19.2% Brahui @ 6.38

[Hadouken]

^ that result seems atypical

[lameduck]

Iranian results:

Eurogenes K13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 51.88
2 East_Med 23.56
3 South_Asian 8.65
4 West_Med 6.85
5 North_Atlantic 2.62
6 Oceanian 1.73
7 Red_Sea 1.6
8 Amerindian 1.27
9 Northeast_African 1.07
10 Sub-Saharan 0.54
11 East_Asian 0.15
12 Siberian 0.08

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Abhkasian 8.64
2 Georgian 9.06
3 Kurdish 12.6
4 Ossetian 14.06
5 Adygei 14.67
6 Iranian 15.1
7 North_Ossetian 16.02
8 Kumyk 16.52
9 Balkar 16.75
10 Armenian 16.98
11 Azeri 17
12 Kabardin 18.43
13 Chechen 18.92
14 Lezgin 18.97
15 Georgian_Jewish 20.03
16 Tabassaran 21.07
17 Turkish 21.31
18 Makrani 21.68
19 Turkmen 22.43
20 Assyrian 23.33

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 76.2% Abhkasian + 23.8% Makrani @ 5.64
2 90.7% Abhkasian + 9.3% Velamas @ 5.71
3 91.4% Abhkasian + 8.6% Piramalai @ 5.73
4 90.9% Abhkasian + 9.1% Kurumba @ 5.76
5 91.9% Abhkasian + 8.1% Sakilli @ 5.82
6 91.2% Abhkasian + 8.8% Dusadh @ 5.85
7 92% Abhkasian + 8% Chamar @ 5.91
8 85.9% Abhkasian + 14.1% Sindhi @ 5.95
9 91.6% Abhkasian + 8.4% Chenchu @ 5.96
10 91.4% Abhkasian + 8.6% Kol @ 5.99
11 91.7% Abhkasian + 8.3% North_Kannadi @ 6.03
12 91.3% Abhkasian + 8.7% Uttar_Pradesh @ 6.04
13 90.9% Abhkasian + 9.1% Dharkar @ 6.08
14 91.1% Abhkasian + 8.9% Kanjar @ 6.08
15 90% Abhkasian + 10% Kshatriya @ 6.16
16 89.8% Abhkasian + 10.2% Gujarati @ 6.19
17 89.9% Abhkasian + 10.1% Brahmin_UP @ 6.3
18 76.2% Georgian + 23.8% Makrani @ 6.32
19 90.7% Abhkasian + 9.3% Bangladeshi @ 6.37
20 80.8% Abhkasian + 19.2% Brahui @ 6.38

wow under 10 with Georgian look like Baloch influenced North Caucasian

[Babak]

Iranian results:

Eurogenes K13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 51.88
2 East_Med 23.56
3 South_Asian 8.65
4 West_Med 6.85
5 North_Atlantic 2.62
6 Oceanian 1.73
7 Red_Sea 1.6
8 Amerindian 1.27
9 Northeast_African 1.07
10 Sub-Saharan 0.54
11 East_Asian 0.15
12 Siberian 0.08

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Abhkasian 8.64
2 Georgian 9.06
3 Kurdish 12.6
4 Ossetian 14.06
5 Adygei 14.67
6 Iranian 15.1
7 North_Ossetian 16.02
8 Kumyk 16.52
9 Balkar 16.75
10 Armenian 16.98
11 Azeri 17
12 Kabardin 18.43
13 Chechen 18.92
14 Lezgin 18.97
15 Georgian_Jewish 20.03
16 Tabassaran 21.07
17 Turkish 21.31
18 Makrani 21.68
19 Turkmen 22.43
20 Assyrian 23.33

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 76.2% Abhkasian + 23.8% Makrani @ 5.64
2 90.7% Abhkasian + 9.3% Velamas @ 5.71
3 91.4% Abhkasian + 8.6% Piramalai @ 5.73
4 90.9% Abhkasian + 9.1% Kurumba @ 5.76
5 91.9% Abhkasian + 8.1% Sakilli @ 5.82
6 91.2% Abhkasian + 8.8% Dusadh @ 5.85
7 92% Abhkasian + 8% Chamar @ 5.91
8 85.9% Abhkasian + 14.1% Sindhi @ 5.95
9 91.6% Abhkasian + 8.4% Chenchu @ 5.96
10 91.4% Abhkasian + 8.6% Kol @ 5.99
11 91.7% Abhkasian + 8.3% North_Kannadi @ 6.03
12 91.3% Abhkasian + 8.7% Uttar_Pradesh @ 6.04
13 90.9% Abhkasian + 9.1% Dharkar @ 6.08
14 91.1% Abhkasian + 8.9% Kanjar @ 6.08
15 90% Abhkasian + 10% Kshatriya @ 6.16
16 89.8% Abhkasian + 10.2% Gujarati @ 6.19
17 89.9% Abhkasian + 10.1% Brahmin_UP @ 6.3
18 76.2% Georgian + 23.8% Makrani @ 6.32
19 90.7% Abhkasian + 9.3% Bangladeshi @ 6.37
20 80.8% Abhkasian + 19.2% Brahui @ 6.38

Iran neo influenced

[lameduck]

Also Baloch are very West Eurasian in appearance , they are darkified way to much compare to other iranics.

[Pahli]

Iranian results:

Eurogenes K13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 51.88
2 East_Med 23.56
3 South_Asian 8.65
4 West_Med 6.85
5 North_Atlantic 2.62
6 Oceanian 1.73
7 Red_Sea 1.6
8 Amerindian 1.27
9 Northeast_African 1.07
10 Sub-Saharan 0.54
11 East_Asian 0.15
12 Siberian 0.08

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Abhkasian 8.64
2 Georgian 9.06
3 Kurdish 12.6
4 Ossetian 14.06
5 Adygei 14.67
6 Iranian 15.1
7 North_Ossetian 16.02
8 Kumyk 16.52
9 Balkar 16.75
10 Armenian 16.98
11 Azeri 17
12 Kabardin 18.43
13 Chechen 18.92
14 Lezgin 18.97
15 Georgian_Jewish 20.03
16 Tabassaran 21.07
17 Turkish 21.31
18 Makrani 21.68
19 Turkmen 22.43
20 Assyrian 23.33

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 76.2% Abhkasian + 23.8% Makrani @ 5.64
2 90.7% Abhkasian + 9.3% Velamas @ 5.71
3 91.4% Abhkasian + 8.6% Piramalai @ 5.73
4 90.9% Abhkasian + 9.1% Kurumba @ 5.76
5 91.9% Abhkasian + 8.1% Sakilli @ 5.82
6 91.2% Abhkasian + 8.8% Dusadh @ 5.85
7 92% Abhkasian + 8% Chamar @ 5.91
8 85.9% Abhkasian + 14.1% Sindhi @ 5.95
9 91.6% Abhkasian + 8.4% Chenchu @ 5.96
10 91.4% Abhkasian + 8.6% Kol @ 5.99
11 91.7% Abhkasian + 8.3% North_Kannadi @ 6.03
12 91.3% Abhkasian + 8.7% Uttar_Pradesh @ 6.04
13 90.9% Abhkasian + 9.1% Dharkar @ 6.08
14 91.1% Abhkasian + 8.9% Kanjar @ 6.08
15 90% Abhkasian + 10% Kshatriya @ 6.16
16 89.8% Abhkasian + 10.2% Gujarati @ 6.19
17 89.9% Abhkasian + 10.1% Brahmin_UP @ 6.3
18 76.2% Georgian + 23.8% Makrani @ 6.32
19 90.7% Abhkasian + 9.3% Bangladeshi @ 6.37
20 80.8% Abhkasian + 19.2% Brahui @ 6.38

Those are results from a North Iranian, Mazandarani / Gilaki, they generally cluster closer with Caucasians than other Iranian groups

[Impaler]

IRANIAN BANDARI

Eurogenes K13


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 44.46
2 East_Med 23.1
3 South_Asian 16.86
4 Red_Sea 4.93
5 Sub-Saharan 3.62
6 North_Atlantic 3.2
7 Baltic 2.32
8 Northeast_African 0.56
9 West_Med 0.48
10 Oceanian 0.27
11 Siberian 0.19

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Iranian 10.99
2 Kurdish 12.33
3 Azeri 15.35
4 Makrani 15.38
5 Kumyk 17.92
6 Georgian 18.12
7 Turkmen 18.58
8 Adygei 18.71
9 Abhkasian 18.82
10 Afghan_Pashtun 19.28
11 Ossetian 19.47
12 Lezgin 19.99
13 Armenian 20.32
14 North_Ossetian 20.46
15 Balkar 20.75
16 Chechen 20.8
17 Brahui 20.82
18 Balochi 20.98
19 Tabassaran 21.21
20 Kabardin 21.21

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 59.1% Iranian + 40.9% Makrani @ 3.86
2 66.8% Iranian + 33.2% Brahui @ 4.25
3 56.1% Kurdish + 43.9% Makrani @ 4.38
4 67.1% Iranian + 32.9% Balochi @ 4.44
5 58.9% Makrani + 41.1% Georgian_Jewish @ 5.28
6 64.4% Kurdish + 35.6% Brahui @ 5.33
7 61.6% Makrani + 38.4% Assyrian @ 5.35
8 62.6% Makrani + 37.4% Iranian_Jewish @ 5.36
9 63.7% Makrani + 36.3% Kurdish_Jewish @ 5.49
10 70.2% Makrani + 29.8% Lebanese_Druze @ 5.5
11 64.8% Kurdish + 35.2% Balochi @ 5.57
12 50.1% Azeri + 49.9% Makrani @ 5.63
13 54.6% Brahui + 45.4% Iranian_Jewish @ 5.64
14 54.4% Balochi + 45.6% Iranian_Jewish @ 5.66
15 62.8% Brahui + 37.2% Lebanese_Druze @ 5.75
16 57.8% Makrani + 42.2% Armenian @ 5.96
17 55.8% Brahui + 44.2% Kurdish_Jewish @ 5.97
18 55.6% Balochi + 44.4% Kurdish_Jewish @ 5.99
19 62.7% Balochi + 37.3% Lebanese_Druze @ 6.03
20 53.6% Brahui + 46.4% Assyrian @ 6.06

[Hadouken]

^ significantly different to my results

Kurdish @12 . pretty far

[lameduck]

This is how many Balochs from Pakistan and Iran look

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/anthroworld/baloch-people-t805.html

[Pahli]

This is how many Balochs from Pakistan and Iran look

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/anthroworld/baloch-people-t805.html

Aren't Baloch people basically Iranized Brahui? Some could fit in Iran, while others are more Paki influenced but they would probably fit fine in Afghanistan too

[Hadouken]

^ I rather think they have a unique look . cant see them as anything else other than what they are except that some would pass as iranian

[Impaler]

Makrani results

Eurogenes K13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 50.86
2 South_Asian 29.7
3 Red_Sea 8
4 North_Atlantic 4.54
5 Sub-Saharan 4.31
6 Northeast_African 1.52
7 Amerindian 0.63
8 East_Med 0.44

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Balochi 8.36
2 Brahui 8.48
3 Makrani 10.51
4 Kalash 15.68
5 Afghan_Pashtun 17.46
6 Sindhi 19.36
7 Pathan 19.48
8 Burusho 19.79
9 Punjabi_Jat 22.15
10 Tadjik 24.75
11 Afghan_Tadjik 25.69
12 Tabassaran 30.06
13 Ossetian 30.23
14 Chechen 31.11
15 Lezgin 31.32
16 Adygei 31.87
17 North_Ossetian 31.87
18 Kabardin 31.99
19 Turkmen 32.35
20 Kumyk 32.5

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 95.5% Balochi + 4.5% Luhya @ 6.97
2 95.4% Balochi + 4.6% Bantu_N.E. @ 6.98
3 95.7% Balochi + 4.3% Biaka_Pygmy @ 6.99
4 95.9% Balochi + 4.1% Bantu_S.E. @ 7.01
5 95.4% Balochi + 4.6% Mbuti_Pygmy @ 7.01
6 95.9% Balochi + 4.1% Bantu_S.W. @ 7.01
7 96% Balochi + 4% Mandenka @ 7.02
8 96.3% Balochi + 3.7% Yoruban @ 7.06
9 95.3% Balochi + 4.7% San @ 7.07
10 95.6% Brahui + 4.4% Luhya @ 7.24
11 95.1% Balochi + 4.9% Maasai @ 7.24
12 95.6% Brahui + 4.4% Bantu_N.E. @ 7.25
13 95.8% Brahui + 4.2% Biaka_Pygmy @ 7.26
14 96.2% Brahui + 3.8% Mandenka @ 7.26
15 96% Brahui + 4% Bantu_S.E. @ 7.26
16 96.1% Brahui + 3.9% Bantu_S.W. @ 7.27
17 96.4% Brahui + 3.6% Yoruban @ 7.29
18 95.6% Brahui + 4.4% Mbuti_Pygmy @ 7.29
19 95.8% Balochi + 4.2% Sudanese @ 7.36
20 95.5% Brahui + 4.5% San @ 7.36

[Impaler]

Tajik Rushan

Eurogenes K13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 36.99
2 Baltic 17.72
3 South_Asian 16.56
4 North_Atlantic 15.33
5 Siberian 4.21
6 East_Med 3.72
7 Amerindian 1.81
8 East_Asian 1.67
9 Sub-Saharan 1.05
10 Oceanian 0.9
11 Northeast_African 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Tadjik 10.35
2 Afghan_Pashtun 12.69
3 Tabassaran 15.21
4 Afghan_Tadjik 16.15
5 Chechen 17.8
6 Lezgin 17.94
7 Kabardin 19.99
8 Kumyk 20.28
9 Kalash 20.35
10 Turkmen 21.34
11 Nogay 21.54
12 Balkar 21.88
13 North_Ossetian 22.33
14 Adygei 22.37
15 Burusho 23.09
16 Ossetian 23.21
17 Pathan 23.69
18 Balochi 25.3
19 Makrani 25.65
20 Punjabi_Jat 25.86

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 63.5% Brahui + 36.5% Finnish @ 5.01
2 64.8% Balochi + 35.2% Finnish @ 5.04
3 63.4% Brahui + 36.6% Southwest_Finnish @ 5.34
4 64.7% Balochi + 35.3% Southwest_Finnish @ 5.45
5 65% Balochi + 35% East_Finnish @ 5.62
6 65.7% Balochi + 34.3% La_Brana-1 @ 5.64
7 63.7% Brahui + 36.3% East_Finnish @ 5.71
8 64.4% Brahui + 35.6% La_Brana-1 @ 5.73
9 80.2% Afghan_Pashtun + 19.8% Finnish @ 5.86
10 80.1% Afghan_Pashtun + 19.9% Southwest_Finnish @ 5.95
11 80.7% Afghan_Pashtun + 19.3% Estonian @ 6.04
12 64.2% Brahui + 35.8% Estonian @ 6.09
13 80% Afghan_Pashtun + 20% North_Swedish @ 6.1
14 80.9% Afghan_Pashtun + 19.1% La_Brana-1 @ 6.1
15 65.5% Balochi + 34.5% Estonian @ 6.15
16 80.5% Afghan_Pashtun + 19.5% East_Finnish @ 6.23
17 78.3% Afghan_Pashtun + 21.7% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 6.35
18 63.1% Brahui + 36.9% North_Swedish @ 6.38
19 79.4% Afghan_Pashtun + 20.6% Polish @ 6.39
20 81% Afghan_Pashtun + 19% Lithuanian @ 6.4

[lameduck]

^ I rather think they have a unique look . cant see them as anything else other than what they are except that some would pass as iranian

yeah some can also pass as lighter sindhis.

[lameduck]

Aren't Baloch people basically Iranized Brahui? Some could fit in Iran, while others are more Paki influenced but they would probably fit fine in Afghanistan too

they can be , I dont know much about their origins other than they claim descent from Kurds

[Pahli]

they can be , I dont know much about their origins other than they claim descent from Kurds

I've seen a video of them where they talk, I can understand a few words of what they say but most of it is unclear because it sounds like they have a Dravidian accent to it (its basically a different language now)

[Kyp]

My father's results: . Mainly Azeri-Iranian. One of his grandmothers was persian.

K13 Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 35.27
2 East_Med 28.90
3 South_Asian 10.62
4 West_Med 7.19
5 Baltic 7.00
6 Siberian 3.35
7 North_Atlantic 2.80
8 Red_Sea 1.96
9 East_Asian 1.49
10 Northeast_African 1.15


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Azeri @ 6.349943
2 Iranian @ 8.086670
3 Kurdish @ 8.209723
4 Turkish @ 11.270560
5 Armenian @ 13.996544
6 Georgian_Jewish @ 14.270008
7 Turkmen @ 14.525947
8 Kumyk @ 16.015162
9 Assyrian @ 16.194187
10 Iranian_Jewish @ 18.417030
11 Kurdish_Jewish @ 19.573183
12 Adygei @ 19.771322
13 Balkar @ 20.656759
14 Georgian @ 20.921543
15 Kabardin @ 21.872395
16 Abhkasian @ 22.300545
17 Ossetian @ 22.479679
18 Lebanese_Muslim @ 22.511723
19 North_Ossetian @ 22.564514
20 Syrian @ 23.474874

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Azeri 5.78
2 Kurdish 7.43
3 Iranian 7.57
4 Turkish 10.05
5 Armenian 12.55
6 Georgian_Jewish 12.83
7 Turkmen 13.5
8 Kumyk 13.93
9 Assyrian 14.36
10 Iranian_Jewish 16.27
11 Adygei 17.12
12 Kurdish_Jewish 17.36
13 Balkar 17.95
14 Georgian 18.22
15 Kabardin 18.94
16 Abhkasian 19.35
17 Ossetian 19.41
18 North_Ossetian 19.52
19 Lebanese_Muslim 19.96
20 Lezgin 20.47

[Leto]

From another forum — a Lur from Western Iran

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 42.08
2 East_Med 29.86
3 South_Asian 7.68
4 Red_Sea 6.36
5 West_Med 5
6 North_Atlantic 3.34
7 Baltic 2.98
8 Sub-Saharan 1.04
9 Siberian 0.95
10 Oceanian 0.69

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kurdish 2.57
2 Iranian 4.76
3 Azeri 7.82
4 Armenian 9.97
5 Georgian_Jewish 10.75
6 Turkish 13.15
7 Georgian 13.69
8 Assyrian 13.82
9 Abhkasian 14.79
10 Kumyk 14.97
11 Iranian_Jewish 15.9
12 Adygei 16.21
13 Kurdish_Jewish 16.42
14 Ossetian 17.87
15 Balkar 18.37
16 Turkmen 18.37
17 North_Ossetian 18.65
18 Kabardin 19.5
19 Lezgin 19.88
20 Chechen 20.35

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 94.3% Kurdish + 5.7% Abhkasian @ 2.41
2 94.7% Kurdish + 5.3% Georgian @ 2.45
3 99.5% Kurdish + 0.5% Yoruban @ 2.49
4 99.5% Kurdish + 0.5% Mandenka @ 2.5
5 98% Kurdish + 2% Makrani @ 2.51
6 99.5% Kurdish + 0.5% Bantu_S.W. @ 2.51
7 98.4% Kurdish + 1.6% Brahui @ 2.51
8 99.5% Kurdish + 0.5% Bantu_S.E. @ 2.52
9 98.5% Kurdish + 1.5% Balochi @ 2.52
10 99.6% Kurdish + 0.4% Biaka_Pygmy @ 2.53
11 91.1% Kurdish + 8.9% Iranian @ 2.53
12 99.7% Kurdish + 0.3% Luhya @ 2.54
13 99.7% Kurdish + 0.3% Bantu_N.E. @ 2.55
14 99.8% Kurdish + 0.2% Mbuti_Pygmy @ 2.56
15 99.1% Kurdish + 0.9% Ossetian @ 2.56
16 99.1% Kurdish + 0.9% North_Ossetian @ 2.56
17 99.2% Kurdish + 0.8% Lezgin @ 2.56
18 99.9% Kurdish + 0.1% Papuan @ 2.56
19 99.9% Kurdish + 0.1% San @ 2.56
20 99.7% Kurdish + 0.3% Adygei @ 2.56

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Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 37.69
2 South_Central_Asian 25.53
3 Near_East 11.44
4 North_African 7.02
5 European_Early_Farmers 6.69
6 European_Hunters_Gatherers 3.95
7 South_Indian 2.23
8 Ancestral_Altaic 1.76
9 Subsaharian 1.35
10 Austronesian 0.95
11 South_East_Asian 0.59
12 African_Pygmy 0.38
13 Tungus-Altaic 0.23
14 Paleo_Siberian 0.17

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kurd_South ( ) 5.27
2 Kurd_East ( ) 5.51
3 Kurd_North ( ) 5.98
4 Kurd ( ) 6.2
5 Azeri ( ) 6.84
6 Uzbek_Tashkent ( ) 9.94
7 Turk_Adana ( ) 10.61
8 Iraqi_Mandean ( ) 10.76
9 Baku_WGA ( ) 11.01
10 Uzbekistani_Jew ( ) 11.53
11 Kurd_Jew ( ) 12.78
12 Iraqi_Chaldean ( ) 13.05
13 Iraki ( ) 13.67
14 Iranian ( ) 13.68
15 Georgian_Jew ( ) 14.32
16 Stalskoe_Kumyk ( ) 14.42
17 Turk ( ) 14.5
18 Iranian_Jew ( ) 14.56
19 Turk_Kayseri ( ) 14.6
20 Azeri_Dagestan ( ) 15.31

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 91.2% Kurd ( ) + 8.8% Shaigi_Sudan ( ) @ 2.33
2 91.7% Kurd ( ) + 8.3% Algerian ( ) @ 2.4
3 92.7% Kurd ( ) + 7.3% Morocco_South ( ) @ 2.44
4 93.2% Kurd ( ) + 6.8% Berber_WGA ( ) @ 2.46
5 91% Kurd ( ) + 9% Tunisian ( ) @ 2.61
6 93.6% Kurd ( ) + 6.4% Saharawi ( ) @ 2.63
7 94.4% Kurd ( ) + 5.6% Mozabite ( ) @ 2.69
8 94.6% Kurd_North ( ) + 5.4% Mozabite ( ) @ 2.71
9 91.8% Kurd ( ) + 8.2% Moroccan ( ) @ 2.81
10 94.2% Kurd_North ( ) + 5.8% Saharawi ( ) @ 3.14
11 93.9% Kurd_North ( ) + 6.1% Berber_WGA ( ) @ 3.18
12 93.7% Kurd_North ( ) + 6.3% Morocco_South ( ) @ 3.43
13 92.9% Kurd_North ( ) + 7.1% Algerian ( ) @ 3.58
14 92.9% Kurd_North ( ) + 7.1% Moroccan ( ) @ 3.61
15 92.6% Kurd_North ( ) + 7.4% Shaigi_Sudan ( ) @ 3.64
16 92.5% Kurd_North ( ) + 7.5% Tunisian ( ) @ 3.75
17 95.9% Kurd_East ( ) + 4.1% Mozabite ( ) @ 3.76
18 92.2% Kurd ( ) + 7.8% Spanish_Canarias_IBS ( ) @ 3.89
19 87.2% Kurd ( ) + 12.8% Egyptian_Tanta ( ) @ 4.02
20 95.4% Kurd_East ( ) + 4.6% Berber_WGA ( ) @ 4.04

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Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 40.35
2 Gedrosia 26.47
3 Southwest_Asian 13.32
4 North_European 6.57
5 Atlantic_Med 5.34
6 South_Asian 3.76
7 Northwest_African 3.38
8 East_Asian 0.42
9 East_African 0.38

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kurd (Dodecad) 4.51
2 Iranian (Dodecad) 4.58
3 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 5.05
4 Iranians (Behar) 6.32
5 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 9.82
6 Turks (Behar) 14.13
7 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 15.31
8 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 15.54
9 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 15.6
10 Assyrian (Dodecad) 16.1
11 Turkish (Dodecad) 16.62
12 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 16.74
13 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 16.86
14 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 17.33
15 Armenian (Dodecad) 17.95
16 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 18.22
17 Lebanese (Behar) 19.07
18 Armenians (Behar) 21.1
19 Syrians (Behar) 21.24
20 Lezgins (Behar) 21.47

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 96.2% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 3.8% Mozabite (HGDP) @ 3.2
2 96.8% Iranian (Dodecad) + 3.2% Mozabite (HGDP) @ 3.23
3 95% Iranian (Dodecad) + 5% Moroccans (Behar) @ 3.4
4 95% Iranian (Dodecad) + 5% Moroccan (Dodecad) @ 3.42
5 94.2% Iranian (Dodecad) + 5.8% Algerian (Dodecad) @ 3.44
6 96.8% Kurd (Dodecad) + 3.2% Pulliyar (Metspalu) @ 3.45
7 96% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 4% Pulliyar (Metspalu) @ 3.47
8 95.9% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 4.1% MALAYAN (Behar) @ 3.52
9 91.1% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 8.9% Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) @ 3.57
10 95.7% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 4.3% North_Kannadi (Behar) @ 3.59
11 92.1% Iranian (Dodecad) + 7.9% Egyptans (Behar) @ 3.6
12 95.8% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 4.2% Nihali (Metspalu) @ 3.6
13 95.6% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 4.4% Hakkipikki (Metspalu) @ 3.61
14 96.9% Kurd (Dodecad) + 3.1% MALAYAN (Behar) @ 3.62
15 95.3% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 4.7% Chenchus (Metspalu) @ 3.63
16 87% Iranian (Dodecad) + 13% Lebanese (Behar) @ 3.63
17 95.6% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 4.4% Gond (Metspalu) @ 3.63
18 95.5% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 4.5% Chamar (Metspalu) @ 3.64
19 97.4% Kurd (Dodecad) + 2.6% Mozabite (HGDP) @ 3.65
20 96% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 4% ASUR (Chaubey) @ 3.65

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Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 42.1
2 Baloch 25.6
3 SW-Asian 13.76
4 Mediterranean 7
5 NE-Euro 4.73
6 S-Indian 4.03
7 Beringian 1.32
8 Papuan 0.67
9 Siberian 0.3
10 San 0.29
11 E-African 0.2

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 kurd (harappa) 2.08
2 iranian (harappa) 4.07
3 kurd (yunusbayev) 4.36
4 iranian (behar) 4.55
5 kurd (xing) 4.72
6 uzbekistan-jew (behar) 7.63
7 turkish (harappa) 7.9
8 armenian (harappa) 8.73
9 azeri (harappa) 8.78
10 iraqi-arab (harappa) 11.13
11 iraqi-mandaean (harappa) 11.81
12 assyrian (harappa) 12
13 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 12.42
14 turk (behar) 12.53
15 iranian-jew (behar) 13.03
16 turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) 13.3
17 azerbaijan-jew (behar) 13.76
18 georgia-jew (behar) 14.32
19 iraq-jew (behar) 14.37
20 armenian (yunusbayev) 15.34

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.7% kurd (harappa) + 6.3% assyrian (harappa) @ 1.92
2 94.5% kurd (harappa) + 5.5% azerbaijan-jew (behar) @ 1.92
3 90.8% kurd (harappa) + 9.2% uzbekistan-jew (behar) @ 1.94
4 95.1% kurd (harappa) + 4.9% georgia-jew (behar) @ 1.95
5 95.7% kurd (harappa) + 4.3% armenian (behar) @ 1.95
6 97.2% kurd (harappa) + 2.8% druze (hgdp) @ 1.95
7 95.4% kurd (harappa) + 4.6% iraq-jew (behar) @ 1.96
8 94.4% kurd (harappa) + 5.6% iraqi-mandaean (harappa) @ 1.96
9 95.1% kurd (harappa) + 4.9% iranian-jew (behar) @ 1.97
10 97.1% kurd (harappa) + 2.9% cypriot (behar) @ 1.97
11 96.9% kurd (harappa) + 3.1% lebanese-druze (haber) @ 2
12 97.9% kurd (harappa) + 2.1% samaritian (behar) @ 2
13 97.2% kurd (harappa) + 2.8% lebanese-christian (haber) @ 2
14 87.6% kurd (harappa) + 12.4% kurd (yunusbayev) @ 2
15 98.3% kurd (harappa) + 1.7% georgian (behar) @ 2.01
16 99.4% kurd (harappa) + 0.6% irula (xing) @ 2.02
17 98.4% kurd (harappa) + 1.6% abhkasian (yunusbayev) @ 2.03
18 99.5% kurd (harappa) + 0.5% pulliyar (metspalu) @ 2.04
19 97.8% kurd (harappa) + 2.2% lebanese-muslim (haber) @ 2.04
20 98.1% kurd (harappa) + 1.9% syrian (behar) @ 2.05

[Lucas]

From another forum — a Lur from Western Iran

5

Do you know his kit?

[Leto]

Do you know his kit?
No, I don't. It's from Anthrogenica. I posted here because I don't wanna open any more threads, very few people respond. I usually did it because there might be guests reading the forum.

[harutsafaryan07]

Lurs

SK1310270
RT6062674
LN8732556
UG2377254
JG2815534
WX7793934
CY2566067
DC2313593
KG3419509
GB5900756

[Slavic Italian]

Lurs

SK1310270
RT6062674
LN8732556
UG2377254
JG2815534
WX7793934
CY2566067
DC2313593
KG3419509
GB5900756

My force is strong with the first kit.

Largest segment = 8.5 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 630.2 cM (17.598 Pct)

209 shared segments found for this comparison.

174603 SNPs used for this comparison.

52.485 Pct SNPs are full identical

[Kyp]

Some are closer to Kurds some are closer to Persians

[Slavic Italian]

GB5900756

I match well with this kit too.

Largest segment = 8.2 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 533.3 cM (14.892 Pct)

186 shared segments found for this comparison.

173929 SNPs used for this comparison.

52.791 Pct SNPs are full identical

[Lucas]

No, I don't. It's from Anthrogenica. I posted here because I don't wanna open any more threads, very few people respond. I usually did it because there might be guests reading the forum.

You can open, they don't respond because it's hard to say something more on some kits with many calc results presented already. I also usually don't respond but find them interesting.

[Leto]

You can open, they don't respond because it's hard to say something more on some kits with many calc results presented already. I also usually don't respond but find them interesting.
You may have a point. To be honest, I don't want stupid trolling or off-topic discussions either (certain idiots tried to do so when I posted Russian results). I've never posted controversial stuff only to stir up negative feelings. Everyone can search the threads opened by Leto.

[Zoro]

From another forum — a Lur from Western Iran

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 42.08
2 East_Med 29.86
3 South_Asian 7.68
4 Red_Sea 6.36
5 West_Med 5
6 North_Atlantic 3.34
7 Baltic 2.98
8 Sub-Saharan 1.04
9 Siberian 0.95
10 Oceanian 0.69

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kurdish 2.57
2 Iranian 4.76
3 Azeri 7.82
4 Armenian 9.97
5 Georgian_Jewish 10.75
6 Turkish 13.15
7 Georgian 13.69
8 Assyrian 13.82
9 Abhkasian 14.79
10 Kumyk 14.97
11 Iranian_Jewish 15.9
12 Adygei 16.21
13 Kurdish_Jewish 16.42
14 Ossetian 17.87
15 Balkar 18.37
16 Turkmen 18.37
17 North_Ossetian 18.65
18 Kabardin 19.5
19 Lezgin 19.88
20 Chechen 20.35

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 94.3% Kurdish + 5.7% Abhkasian @ 2.41
2 94.7% Kurdish + 5.3% Georgian @ 2.45
3 99.5% Kurdish + 0.5% Yoruban @ 2.49
4 99.5% Kurdish + 0.5% Mandenka @ 2.5
5 98% Kurdish + 2% Makrani @ 2.51
6 99.5% Kurdish + 0.5% Bantu_S.W. @ 2.51
7 98.4% Kurdish + 1.6% Brahui @ 2.51
8 99.5% Kurdish + 0.5% Bantu_S.E. @ 2.52
9 98.5% Kurdish + 1.5% Balochi @ 2.52
10 99.6% Kurdish + 0.4% Biaka_Pygmy @ 2.53
11 91.1% Kurdish + 8.9% Iranian @ 2.53
12 99.7% Kurdish + 0.3% Luhya @ 2.54
13 99.7% Kurdish + 0.3% Bantu_N.E. @ 2.55
14 99.8% Kurdish + 0.2% Mbuti_Pygmy @ 2.56
15 99.1% Kurdish + 0.9% Ossetian @ 2.56
16 99.1% Kurdish + 0.9% North_Ossetian @ 2.56
17 99.2% Kurdish + 0.8% Lezgin @ 2.56
18 99.9% Kurdish + 0.1% Papuan @ 2.56
19 99.9% Kurdish + 0.1% San @ 2.56
20 99.7% Kurdish + 0.3% Adygei @ 2.56

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Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 37.69
2 South_Central_Asian 25.53
3 Near_East 11.44
4 North_African 7.02
5 European_Early_Farmers 6.69
6 European_Hunters_Gatherers 3.95
7 South_Indian 2.23
8 Ancestral_Altaic 1.76
9 Subsaharian 1.35
10 Austronesian 0.95
11 South_East_Asian 0.59
12 African_Pygmy 0.38
13 Tungus-Altaic 0.23
14 Paleo_Siberian 0.17

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kurd_South ( ) 5.27
2 Kurd_East ( ) 5.51
3 Kurd_North ( ) 5.98
4 Kurd ( ) 6.2
5 Azeri ( ) 6.84
6 Uzbek_Tashkent ( ) 9.94
7 Turk_Adana ( ) 10.61
8 Iraqi_Mandean ( ) 10.76
9 Baku_WGA ( ) 11.01
10 Uzbekistani_Jew ( ) 11.53
11 Kurd_Jew ( ) 12.78
12 Iraqi_Chaldean ( ) 13.05
13 Iraki ( ) 13.67
14 Iranian ( ) 13.68
15 Georgian_Jew ( ) 14.32
16 Stalskoe_Kumyk ( ) 14.42
17 Turk ( ) 14.5
18 Iranian_Jew ( ) 14.56
19 Turk_Kayseri ( ) 14.6
20 Azeri_Dagestan ( ) 15.31

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 91.2% Kurd ( ) + 8.8% Shaigi_Sudan ( ) @ 2.33
2 91.7% Kurd ( ) + 8.3% Algerian ( ) @ 2.4
3 92.7% Kurd ( ) + 7.3% Morocco_South ( ) @ 2.44
4 93.2% Kurd ( ) + 6.8% Berber_WGA ( ) @ 2.46
5 91% Kurd ( ) + 9% Tunisian ( ) @ 2.61
6 93.6% Kurd ( ) + 6.4% Saharawi ( ) @ 2.63
7 94.4% Kurd ( ) + 5.6% Mozabite ( ) @ 2.69
8 94.6% Kurd_North ( ) + 5.4% Mozabite ( ) @ 2.71
9 91.8% Kurd ( ) + 8.2% Moroccan ( ) @ 2.81
10 94.2% Kurd_North ( ) + 5.8% Saharawi ( ) @ 3.14
11 93.9% Kurd_North ( ) + 6.1% Berber_WGA ( ) @ 3.18
12 93.7% Kurd_North ( ) + 6.3% Morocco_South ( ) @ 3.43
13 92.9% Kurd_North ( ) + 7.1% Algerian ( ) @ 3.58
14 92.9% Kurd_North ( ) + 7.1% Moroccan ( ) @ 3.61
15 92.6% Kurd_North ( ) + 7.4% Shaigi_Sudan ( ) @ 3.64
16 92.5% Kurd_North ( ) + 7.5% Tunisian ( ) @ 3.75
17 95.9% Kurd_East ( ) + 4.1% Mozabite ( ) @ 3.76
18 92.2% Kurd ( ) + 7.8% Spanish_Canarias_IBS ( ) @ 3.89
19 87.2% Kurd ( ) + 12.8% Egyptian_Tanta ( ) @ 4.02
20 95.4% Kurd_East ( ) + 4.6% Berber_WGA ( ) @ 4.04

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Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 40.35
2 Gedrosia 26.47
3 Southwest_Asian 13.32
4 North_European 6.57
5 Atlantic_Med 5.34
6 South_Asian 3.76
7 Northwest_African 3.38
8 East_Asian 0.42
9 East_African 0.38

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kurd (Dodecad) 4.51
2 Iranian (Dodecad) 4.58
3 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 5.05
4 Iranians (Behar) 6.32
5 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 9.82
6 Turks (Behar) 14.13
7 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 15.31
8 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 15.54
9 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 15.6
10 Assyrian (Dodecad) 16.1
11 Turkish (Dodecad) 16.62
12 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 16.74
13 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 16.86
14 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 17.33
15 Armenian (Dodecad) 17.95
16 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 18.22
17 Lebanese (Behar) 19.07
18 Armenians (Behar) 21.1
19 Syrians (Behar) 21.24
20 Lezgins (Behar) 21.47

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 96.2% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 3.8% Mozabite (HGDP) @ 3.2
2 96.8% Iranian (Dodecad) + 3.2% Mozabite (HGDP) @ 3.23
3 95% Iranian (Dodecad) + 5% Moroccans (Behar) @ 3.4
4 95% Iranian (Dodecad) + 5% Moroccan (Dodecad) @ 3.42
5 94.2% Iranian (Dodecad) + 5.8% Algerian (Dodecad) @ 3.44
6 96.8% Kurd (Dodecad) + 3.2% Pulliyar (Metspalu) @ 3.45
7 96% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 4% Pulliyar (Metspalu) @ 3.47
8 95.9% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 4.1% MALAYAN (Behar) @ 3.52
9 91.1% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 8.9% Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) @ 3.57
10 95.7% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 4.3% North_Kannadi (Behar) @ 3.59
11 92.1% Iranian (Dodecad) + 7.9% Egyptans (Behar) @ 3.6
12 95.8% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 4.2% Nihali (Metspalu) @ 3.6
13 95.6% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 4.4% Hakkipikki (Metspalu) @ 3.61
14 96.9% Kurd (Dodecad) + 3.1% MALAYAN (Behar) @ 3.62
15 95.3% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 4.7% Chenchus (Metspalu) @ 3.63
16 87% Iranian (Dodecad) + 13% Lebanese (Behar) @ 3.63
17 95.6% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 4.4% Gond (Metspalu) @ 3.63
18 95.5% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 4.5% Chamar (Metspalu) @ 3.64
19 97.4% Kurd (Dodecad) + 2.6% Mozabite (HGDP) @ 3.65
20 96% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 4% ASUR (Chaubey) @ 3.65

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Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 42.1
2 Baloch 25.6
3 SW-Asian 13.76
4 Mediterranean 7
5 NE-Euro 4.73
6 S-Indian 4.03
7 Beringian 1.32
8 Papuan 0.67
9 Siberian 0.3
10 San 0.29
11 E-African 0.2

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 kurd (harappa) 2.08
2 iranian (harappa) 4.07
3 kurd (yunusbayev) 4.36
4 iranian (behar) 4.55
5 kurd (xing) 4.72
6 uzbekistan-jew (behar) 7.63
7 turkish (harappa) 7.9
8 armenian (harappa) 8.73
9 azeri (harappa) 8.78
10 iraqi-arab (harappa) 11.13
11 iraqi-mandaean (harappa) 11.81
12 assyrian (harappa) 12
13 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 12.42
14 turk (behar) 12.53
15 iranian-jew (behar) 13.03
16 turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) 13.3
17 azerbaijan-jew (behar) 13.76
18 georgia-jew (behar) 14.32
19 iraq-jew (behar) 14.37
20 armenian (yunusbayev) 15.34

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.7% kurd (harappa) + 6.3% assyrian (harappa) @ 1.92
2 94.5% kurd (harappa) + 5.5% azerbaijan-jew (behar) @ 1.92
3 90.8% kurd (harappa) + 9.2% uzbekistan-jew (behar) @ 1.94
4 95.1% kurd (harappa) + 4.9% georgia-jew (behar) @ 1.95
5 95.7% kurd (harappa) + 4.3% armenian (behar) @ 1.95
6 97.2% kurd (harappa) + 2.8% druze (hgdp) @ 1.95
7 95.4% kurd (harappa) + 4.6% iraq-jew (behar) @ 1.96
8 94.4% kurd (harappa) + 5.6% iraqi-mandaean (harappa) @ 1.96
9 95.1% kurd (harappa) + 4.9% iranian-jew (behar) @ 1.97
10 97.1% kurd (harappa) + 2.9% cypriot (behar) @ 1.97
11 96.9% kurd (harappa) + 3.1% lebanese-druze (haber) @ 2
12 97.9% kurd (harappa) + 2.1% samaritian (behar) @ 2
13 97.2% kurd (harappa) + 2.8% lebanese-christian (haber) @ 2
14 87.6% kurd (harappa) + 12.4% kurd (yunusbayev) @ 2
15 98.3% kurd (harappa) + 1.7% georgian (behar) @ 2.01
16 99.4% kurd (harappa) + 0.6% irula (xing) @ 2.02
17 98.4% kurd (harappa) + 1.6% abhkasian (yunusbayev) @ 2.03
18 99.5% kurd (harappa) + 0.5% pulliyar (metspalu) @ 2.04
19 97.8% kurd (harappa) + 2.2% lebanese-muslim (haber) @ 2.04
20 98.1% kurd (harappa) + 1.9% syrian (behar) @ 2.05


The reason you are seeing Kurds in 1st place ahead of Iranians and with such a small distance for the Lur, even smaller than what even most Kurds get is because Lurs are Kurds. Some still identify as kurds. They started to distinguish themselves from kurds only about 500-1000 years ago.

You may see Kurds in 1st place with some Bakhtiaris also

[Leto]

The reason you are seeing Kurds in 1st place ahead of Iranians and with such a small distance for the Lur, even smaller than what even most Kurds get is because Lurs are Kurds. Some still identify as kurds. They started to distinguish themselves from kurds only about 500-1000 years ago.

You may see Kurds in 1st place with some Bakhtiaris also
Luri is not considered a dialect of Kurdi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luri_language

[War Chef]

That Baltic is so low. I really believe the real Indo Iranians weren't very high in it, unless we are talking about elite dominance on a Gagauz scale.

[Leto]

That Baltic is so low. I really believe the real Indo Iranians weren't very high in it, unless we are talking about elite dominance on a Gagauz scale.
Nah, they just don't have much Steppe, they're mostly native Iranian (i.e. the Iranian plateau). Look at their Y-DNA, R1a is 15-20% only in Persians and Kurds. That Lur guy is J2 for example.

[MS85]

That Baltic is so low. I really believe the real Indo Iranians weren't very high in it, unless we are talking about elite dominance on a Gagauz scale.

Exactly. That means that there was no so called 'elite dominance' since R1a or other haplogroups didn't bottlenecked and spread like fire like R1a in Eastern Europe or India and R1b in the western Europe. The source of R1a in Eastern Europe were just few males, the same can be said about India. The source of R1a (Saka) in India is also just few males. That means that there was elite dominate in those places.

Second stage PIEan Yamnya was R1b. My people the Ezdi Kurds who can be considered as proto-Kurds have also much more R1b, J2a than R1a in our ancestral homeland.

Also, don't forget that ancient IEans like the Hittites and Myceneans, similar to the Indo-Iranians, had also nothing to do with the Steppes. Those ancient Indo-Europeans were also full of J2a. So, it is perfectly normal that Indo-Iranians had nothing to do with the Steppes at all.


I'm sure that the ancient proto-Indo-Iranians had a lot R1b, J2a, G2a and even L in them (and also some other haplogroups).

[Kyp]

Exactly. That means that there was no so called 'elite dominance' since R1a or other haplogroups didn't bottlenecked and spread like fire like R1a in Eastern Europe or India and R1b in the western Europe. The source of R1a in Eastern Europe were just few males, the same can be said about India. The source of R1a (Saka) in India is also just few males. That means that there was elite dominate in those places.

Second stage PIEan Yamnya was R1b. My people the Ezdi Kurds who can be considered as proto-Kurds have also much more R1b, J2a than R1a in our ancestral homeland.

Also, don't forget that ancient IEans like the Hittites and Myceneans, similar to the Indo-Iranians, had also nothing to do with the Steppes. Those ancient Indo-Europeans were also full of J2a. So, it is perfectly normal that Indo-Iranians had nothing to do with the Steppes at all.


I'm sure that the ancient proto-Indo-Iranians had a lot R1b, J2a, G2a and even L in them (and also some other haplogroups).

Iranians/Afghans/Tajiks have more R1a than R1b. Only Kurds and Lurs have more R1b than R1a. R1b is also very present in non-Iranian groups like Assyrians, Mesopotamians, Armenians..

R1a is still the 2nd most present Hg in Iran. They are just very diverse in terms of Hapolgroups. That's because of their crucial location for ancient human migrations.

[MS85]

Also, elite dominance in the mountains is very difficult. Maybe one group can dominate other group in a valley, but what about other valleys? There are many tribes in many different areas/locations.

Kurdish society has been a tribalic society for thousands of years. Our Kurdic/Aryan tribes are spread all over the Kurdic mountains and it is very difficult to unite them. Only during the era of the Medes, Kurds were successful in uniting all Kurdic/Aryan tribes in Kurdistan. With other words, it is not really possible to force elite dominance on tribalic people/society in the mountains. Many people tried that, but sooner or later Kurds wiped all their enemies out in Kurdistan.

Only the Medes were successful in uniting all Kurdic/Aryan tribes in Kurdistan and we have got ancient DNA from the era. Those Medes were very similar to the modern day Kurds.

Also, since Kurds are divided by different tribes, how is it than possible that all Kurdic tribes speak different dialects of Kurdic language very specific to own areas. The evolution of Kurdic language was organic and not imposed from outside. Since Kurdic is an 'ergative' language is very native to Kurdistan. Nobody in our ancient history ever mentioned something like 'elite dominance' in Kurdistan.

[MS85]

Iranians/Afghans/Tajiks have more R1a than R1b. Only Kurds and Lurs have more R1b than R1a. R1b is also very present in non-Iranian groups like Assyrians, Mesopotamians, Armenians..

R1a is still the 2nd most present Hg in Iran. They are just very diverse in terms of Hapolgroups. That's because of their crucial location for ancient human migrations.ancient Iranians like the Mitanni, Kassites and Gutians ruled Medopotamia/Babylon for thousands of years. I'm sure that ancient Assyrians, Mesopotamians or Armenians have a lot Iranic DNA in them. But nevertheless they are very low of Steppes or R1a.

R1a in South Central just bottlenecked and is a founder effect in that area. Obvious there was 'elite dominance' there. R1a is in that area evolved only from few males, most likely Scythians/Saka. It has nothing to do with much more ancient proto-Iranians from Kurdistan.

Afghans are mostly Pashtuns and Pashtuns are very close to Punjabis. Both groups were dominated by the Scythians and later they mixed with them. Tajiks have a lot of haplogroup R2a, J2a and even L. Tajiks are originally from Persia/Fars. Later on when they migrated into Central Asia they mixed with Central Asiac people, mostly Turco-Mongoloid people who had a lot R1a in them from the ancient Scythians


You should not confuse the history of Indian Peninsula with the Aryan history of Kurdistan.

[SharpFork]

Also, elite dominance in the mountains is very difficult. Maybe one group can dominate other group in a valley, but what about other valleys? There are many tribes in many different areas/locations.

Kurdish society has been a tribalic society for thousands of years. Our Kurdic/Aryan tribes are spread all over the Kurdic mountains and it is very difficult to unite them. Only during the era of the Medes, Kurds were successful in uniting all Kurdic/Aryan tribes in Kurdistan. With other words, it is not really possible to force elite dominance on tribalic people/society in the mountains. Many people tried that, but sooner or later Kurds wiped all their enemies out in Kurdistan.

Only the Medes were successful in uniting all Kurdic/Aryan tribes in Kurdistan and we have got ancient DNA from the era. Those Medes were very similar to the modern day Kurds.

Also, since Kurds are divided by different tribes, how is it than possible that all Kurdic tribes speak different dialects of Kurdic language very specific to own areas. The evolution of Kurdic language was organic and not imposed from outside. Since Kurdic is an 'ergative' language is very native to Kurdistan. Nobody in our ancient history ever mentioned something like 'elite dominance' in Kurdistan.
I'm not sure how much sense it makes to talk about Kurds in the ancient era, they were basically non-existent as an actual ethnic group at the time.

[MS85]

I'm not sure how much sense it makes to talk about Kurds in the ancient era, they were basically non-existent as an actual ethnic group at the time.Kurdish language is a northwest Iranian language. By the time of the (Aryan) Medes northwest Iranian dialect already existed. Like Kurdic also the language of the Medes was Northwestern Iranic and also an 'ergative' language, like all ancient proto-Iranic languages. According to the Kurds, we evolved directly from the Medes. When people talk about the Medes, they do actually talk about the Kurds. The Medes were the ancient Kurds

[Kyp]

ancient Iranians like the Mitanni, Kassites and Gutians rules Medopotamia/Babylon for thousands of years. I'm sure that ancient Assyrians, Mesopotamians or Armenians have a lot Iranic DNA in them. But nevertheless they are very low of Steppes or R1a.

R1a in South Central just bottlenecked and is a founder effect in that area. Obvious there was 'elite dominance' there. R1a is in that area evolved only from few males, most likely Scythians/Saka. It has nothing to do with much more ancient proto-Iranians from Kurdistan.

Afghans are mostly Pashtuns and Pashtuns are very close to Punjabis. Both groups were dominated by the Scythians and later they mixed with them. Tajiks have a lot of haplogroup R2a, J2a and even L. Tajiks are originally from Persia/Fars. Later on when they migrated into Central Asia they mixed with Central Asiac people, mostly Turco-Mongoloid people who had a lot R1a in them from the ancient Scythians


You should not confuse the history of Indian Peninsula with the Aryan history of Kurdistan.

- Tajiks are not from Persia. Iranian-like people lived in Tajikistan and Central Asia (South) since the Neolithic, they are eastern iranians, it's almost like saying Kurds are africans because they are from africa originally
- Medes and Kurds are not synonymous terms
- Gutians, elamites, kassites didn't speak an iranian language (they probably got absorbed by the iranic tribes)

[MS85]

The Medes were Aryan people and spoke a northwest Iranian language (like the Kurds). According to the Kurds, Kurds are Aryans because we are the direct descendants of the Aryan Medes. When we compare the DNA of the Aryan Medes with the Kurds we can conclude that Kurds are more than for 90% Medes.

The only people on this planet who are the closest (generically, linguistically and culturally) to the Medes are the Kurds. Why there is no component of the 'Medes' in auDNA calculators? I'm sure that the Kurds will score the highest point of all humans on those calculators that emphasis the Medians ancestry.

[MS85]

- Tajiks are not from Persia. Iranian-like people lived in Tajikistan and Central Asia (South) since the Neolithic, they are eastern iranians, it's almost like saying Kurds are africans because they are from africa originally
- Medes and Kurds are not synonymous terms
- Gutians, elamites, kassites didn't speak an iranian language (they probably got absorbed by the iranic tribes)
- Tajiks are originally from Persia. They speak PERSIAN/Farsi, a southwest Iranian language. The language they speak as their native language evolved in Persia, this is a fact.
- Medes = Kurds. Kurds and Medes speak the same language, the Medes lived in the same area as the Kurds. And the Medes had the same religion as original Kurds. Mithraism = Yezidism
- Dude, once again, Elamites lived NOT in Kurdistan. It were the Gutians and Kassites who lived in the Zagros Mountains. Many scientists are telling us that Gutians spoke ancient Iranic. Kassites were 100% Iranic people who evolved from the Gutians and related to the Mitanni. Kassites believed in IRANIC Gods and the names of their leaders were very Iranic

[MS85]

About the ARYAN Kassites:

" Kassite Gods

Many Kassite Gods have names in the Indo-European languages. Some names can be closely identified with the names of Gods in Sanskrit, notably Kassite Suriash (Sanskrit Surya); Maruttash (Sanskrit, the Maruts); and possibly Shimalia (the Himalaya Mountains in India). The Kassite storm god Buriash (Uburiash, or Burariash) has been identified with the Greek God Boreas, the God of the North Wind. According to the Encyclopedia Britannica there are some 30 names of Gods known, but so far, I have been able to find only about 24 of them from various sources. Most of these words occur in Mesopotamian texts of the 14th and 13th centuries BCE.

Bugash, possibly the name of a god, it is also used as a title.
Buriash, Ubriash, or Burariash, a storm god, (= Greek Boreas)
Duniash, a deity
Gidar, corresponding to Babylonian Adar
Hala, a Goddess, wife of Adar/Nusku, see Shala
Harbe, lord of the pantheon, symbolized by a bird, corresponding to Bel, Enlil or Anu
Hardash, possibly the name of a god
Hudha, corresponding to a Babylonian “Air-God”
Indash, possibly corresponding to Sanskrit Indra
Kamulla, corresponding to Babylonian Ea
Kashshu, (Kassu) a god, eponymous ancestor of the Kassite kings
Maruttash, or Muruttash, (possibly corresponding to the Vedic Maruts, a plural form)
Miriash, a Goddess (of the earth?), probably the same as the next one
Mirizir, a Goddess, corresponding to Belet, the Babylonian Goddess Beltis, i.e. Ishtar = the planet Venus; symbolized with the 8 pointed star
Nanai, or Nanna, possibly a Babylonian name, the Goddess Ishtar (Venus star) as a huntress, appearing on kudurrus as a female on a throne.
Shah, a sun god, corresponding to Babylonian Shamash, and possibly to Sanskrit Sahi.
Shala, a Goddess, symbolized by a barley stalk, also called Hala
Shihu, one of the names of Marduk
Shimalia, Goddess of the mountains, a form of the name Himalaya, Semele, see Shumalia
Shipak, a moon God
Shugab, God of the underworld, corresponding to Babylonian Nêrgal
Shugurra, corresponding to Babylonian Marduk
Shumalia, Goddess symbolized by a bird on perch, one of two deities associated with the investiture of kings
Shuqamuna, a God symbolized by a bird on a perch, one of two associated with the investiture of kings
Shuriash, corresponding to Babylonian Shamash, and possibly to Vedic Surya, also a sun god, but this might be the star Sirius, which has an arrow as a symbol
Turgu, a deity "

http://piereligion.org/kassite.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kassite_deities


Kassites were similar to the Mitanni, like the Medes were similar to the Persians. Kassites/Mitanni gave birth to West Iranian races like the Medes.

" Thus for example the first Kassite king, Gandash, has a name which is rather obviously reminiscent of the Indian deity Ganesha, whilst other kings such as Abirattash, Kara-indash, and Burnaburish (or Burraburiash) are equally to be placed in the Indo-Iranian family. The name Burraburiash may even be a precise equivalent of the Persian Gobryas. "

http://www.hyksos.org/index.php?title=Kassites_and_Scythians


" Kassites

Kassites or Cassites (both: kăsˈĪts) [key], ancient people, probably of Indo-European origin. They were first mentioned in historical texts as occupying the W Iranian plateau. In the 18th cent. B.C. they swept down on Babylonia, conquered the region, and ruled there until the 12th cent. B.C., when they returned to the Iranian plateau. They remained more or less independent until the beginning of the Christian era, when they disappeared from history. "

http://www.infoplease.com/encyclopedia/history/kassites.html


Kassites & Kossaeans

" Several modern historians such as K. Balkan (in 1986, p. 8) and M. Heinz (in 1995, p. 167) have stated that the Kassite rulers of Babylon were members of the Indo-Iranian Kossaean people based in Hamadan-Kermanshah-Luristan area, but whose origins are not mentioned in historical records. The historians make several additional conclusions or assumptions:

First, that the Kossaeans mentioned by Greek writers were the successors of the Babylonian Kassites who were driven out of Babylonia by conquering Elamites (neighbours of the Kossaeans) in the 12th century BCE.

Second, that the Kassites in fleeing to Kossaea were returning to their ancestral lands.

Third, that the Kassites were originally Indo-Iranian Kossaeans who had settled the Hamadan-Kermanshah-Luristan area prior to the 17th century BCE.

Fourth, that the Indo-Iranian Kossaeans were immigrants to the area since they are not mentioned as being among the peoples who inhabited the central and southern Zagros in Sargonic (2270-2215 BCE) and Ur III / Third Dynasty of Ur era (21st to 20th century BCE) inscriptions. As we shall see below, these assumptions and conclusions are plausible.

Hamadan and Kermanshah, are two provinces with eponymous capital cities that straddle the northern Zagros mountains placing them strategically on the Aryan trade roads - the Silk Roads. Luristan lies to their south and the Iranian province of Elam is found to the west of Luristan. Elam and Kermanshah border modern-day Iraq and what would have been Northern Babylonia (see map). "

http://www.heritageinstitute.com/zoroastrianism/ranghaya/kassites.htm


" Mesopotamia witnessed the arrival about 1760 bce of the Kassites, who introduced the horse and the chariot and bore Indo-European names. "

https://www.britannica.com/place/India/Early-Vedic-period#ref485125


'-ashman' , '-dash' , 'ship-' are clearly Iranic/Aryan components in those names.

[SharpFork]

- Tajiks are originally from Persia. They speak PERSIAN/Farsi, a southwest Iranian language. The language they speak as their native language evolved in Persia, this is a fact.
- Medes = Kurds. Kurds and Medes speak the same language, the Medes lived in the same area as the Kurds. And the Medes had the same religion as original Kurds. Mithraism = Yezidism
- Dude, once again, Elamites lived NOT in Kurdistan. It were the Gutians and Kassites who lived in the Zagros Mountains. Many scientists are telling us that Gutians spoke ancient Iranic. Kassites were 100% Iranic people who evolved from the Gutians and related to the Mitanni. Kassites believed in IRANIC Gods and the names of their leaders were very Iranic
Yezidism did not really exist, it's all basically Iranian polytheism which is obviously a very heterogeneous thing, I don't think trying to actually scientifically find cultural continuity within such a system is useful thing.

It's impossible that the Gutians or Kassites spoke Iranic or any IE languages, maybe the late Gutians were Iranians in disguise but that's another story. You are just making stuff up tbh.

[Zoro]

Luri is not considered a dialect of Kurdi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luri_language

Yeah they shifted languages about 1000 years ago but genetically they didn’t shift they are still 100% Kurdish just like the Lur guy you posted

[MS85]

Also according to the Gamkrelidze & Ivanov who were responsible for the revolutionary Armenian Model of the first stage of PIEan, which has been proven right by the genetics, Gutians were related to the ancient Iranic people.

[MS85]

Yezidism did not really exist, it's all basically Iranian polytheism which is obviously a very heterogeneous thing, I don't think trying to actually scientifically find cultural continuity within such a system is useful thing.

It's impossible that the Gutians or Kassites spoke Iranic or any IE languages, maybe the late Gutians were Iranians in disguise but that's another story. You are just making stuff up tbh.The heart of the Yezidism is the SUN + 7 angels. Ezdi Kurds call our GOD 'Xode Shems'. Xode = God, Shems = Sun. The name of out GOD is the 'Sun God'. Mithra was a Sun God. Aso like within Mithraism fire temples are very important for us. We are the children of SUN and FIRE.

Of course, our religion right now is thousands of years younger than Mithraism and during time our religions has been modified and updated to modern times. Like all other religions.


Gutians never left their writings. What we know is that the Gutians used Akkadian during their rule of Babylon. There are many scientists, like Gamkrelidze & Ivanov, who link Gutians to the Iranic people.

Kassites had IRANIC Gods and their Kings had Iranic names, this is a fact.

[Zoro]

Nah, they just don't have much Steppe, they're mostly native Iranian (i.e. the Iranian plateau). Look at their Y-DNA, R1a is 15-20% only in Persians and Kurds. That Lur guy is J2 for example.

Those higher frequencies in Afghanistan and N. India are founder effect, but I agree steppe is higher in Afghanistan than Kurdistan. BTW, R1a can be as high as 40% in some kurdish areas. You probably need 10000 samples from all areas of Kurdistan to get more accurate numbers


http://corduene.blogspot.com/2016/08/kurdish-y-dna-haplogroups-frequencies.html


Also can’t use admixture calculators with Caucasian component to measure Steppe in west Asians because Caucasian references hide alot of steppe. For ex MDLP k11 which has EHG component (steppe marker) shows me and other kurds about 34% EHG

MDLP K11 2xOracle and OracleX4

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 EHG 34.68
2 Basal 23.92
3 Neolithic 13.10
4 ASI 9.49
5 SEA 6.80
6 Iran-Mesolithic 6.50
7 WHG 1.96
8 African 1.85
9 Siberian 1.13


Finished reading population data. 161 populations found.
11 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Iran_Chalcolithic @ 13.402205
2 Armenia_MLBA @ 17.022766
3 Armenia_MBA @ 19.655437
4 Armenia_Chalcolithic @ 20.643805
5 Armenia_LBA @ 20.939823
6 Armenia_EBA @ 21.152573
7 Iran_LN @ 22.274822
8 Iran_Mesolithic @ 34.011688
9 Hungary_IronAge @ 36.024734
10 Iran_N @ 36.762024
11 British_Roman @ 37.093658
12 Russia_IA @ 39.778934
13 Scythian_IA @ 40.623672
14 Anatolia_Chalcolithic @ 42.658421
15 Kostenki14_Upper_Paleolithic @ 42.816273
16 Vestonice14_Gravettian @ 43.836662
17 Satsurblia_CHG @ 44.088249
18 Irish_BA @ 44.410225
19 Iron_Age @ 44.545898
20 Siberian_Upper_Paleolithic @ 44.700199

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% British_Roman +50% Iran_Mesolithic @ 10.754436


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Iran_Chalcolithic +25% Iran_Chalcolithic +25% Ust_Ishim_Upper_Ãœaleolothic @ 9.157703

[Leto]

- Tajiks are originally from Persia. They speak PERSIAN/Farsi, a southwest Iranian language. The language they speak as their native language evolved in Persia, this is a fact.
The Tajiks of today are indeed Persian speakers but that wasn't the case 1,000 years ago as Central Asia and Afghanistan were mostly East Iranic speakers such as Bactrians, Sogdians, Kwarezmians. Pamiri tribes still speak Eastern Iranic dialects as well as Pashtuns of Afghanistan and Pathans of Pakistan. On G25 Pamiris can be modeled as 40-50% Bronze Age Steppe (Sintashta). R1a is like 50-60% in those pockets.

[MS85]

Kassites even called Babylon 'Karanduniash'.

suffix -niash has the same meaning as -stan. Karanduniash means land of Karandu. 'Karandu -niash' is actually very similar 'Kurdi -stan'.

[MS85]

The Tajiks of today are indeed Persian speakers but that wasn't the case 1,000 years ago as Central Asia and Afghanistan were mostly East Iranic speakers such as Bactrians, Sogdians, Kwarezmians. Pamiri tribes still speak Eastern Iranic dialects as well as Pashtuns of Afghanistan and Pathans of Pakistan. On G25 Pamiris can be modeled as 40-50% Bronze Age Steppe (Sintashta). R1a is like 50-60% in those pockets.Like I said, Tajiks were originally PERSIANS from Iran and later migrated into Central Asia and mixed with the local Turco-Mongoloid people full of R1a.

Indic and Eastern Iranian tribes got their steppes from the native Turco-Mongoloid people int he Steppes and Scythians.

Sintashta had NOTHING to do with the Iranic people. There is nothing Iranic about Sintashta. Sintashta were just were bunch of monkeys who were later assimilated by Turco-Mongoloid people and then they disappeared forever.

[Leto]

A Pashtun from Afghanistan. The blue eyes are from the Aryans, @MS85, this Talib must be more Northeastern European than you, accept it :p
https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/596689d6f7e0ab9a54809c61/1500672294450-53D6XYSA28M85AUJYNBD/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kLi9fTDT1EoZrUtdR6rMf957gQa3H7 8H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLf rh8O1z5QPOohDIaIeljMHgDF5CVlOqpeNLcJ80NK65_fV7S1UQ vxcd_a0aYQ47EfTwTw6sb5-fmkO2hLGNpEuY8n9NFM6zbdMayf9wmorX22cmxA1Q/Parwan_3095.jpg?format=750w
Taken from here:
Link (https://www.chrissands.net/the-people)

[MS85]

Kassite king Meli-Shipak II with the Sun God (Shems) above him:

https://i.postimg.cc/bwVcBpXP/Kudurru-Melishipak-Louvre-Sb23-n02.jpg

[Leto]

Like I said, Tajiks were originally PERSIANS from Iran and later migrated into Central Asia and mixed with the local Turco-Mongoloid people full of R1a.

Indic and Eastern Iranian tribes got their steppes from the native Turco-Mongoloid people int he Steppes and Scythians.

Sintashta had NOTHING to do with the Iranic people. There is nothing Iranic about Sintashta. Sintashta were just were bunch of monkeys who were later assimilated by Turco-Mongoloid people and then they disappeared forever.
I'm sorry but that's bullshit.

[Zoro]

Afghans are mostly Pashtuns and Pashtuns are very close to Punjabis

Many Pakistani Pashtuns yes. You can tell from their faces and calculator results, but not Afghan pashtuns especially those from western afghanistan on the iranian border and kandahar area. They are very similar to kurds and persians of eastern iranians.

If anyone has Facebook account do a search for “kord sistan” you will be surprised how many show up. Let me know what you guys think of their phenotype;)

[Leto]

Sintashta had NOTHING to do with the Iranic people. There is nothing Iranic about Sintashta. Sintashta were just were bunch of monkeys who were later assimilated by Turco-Mongoloid people and then they disappeared forever.
At least they did not look like Woggistani refugees or fruit sellers.

[MS85]

A Pashtun from Afghanistan. The blue eyes are from the Aryans, @MS85, this Talib must be more Northeastern European than you, accept it :pWho is saying thay he is from proto-Iranians. Pashtuns are not related to my people. They are much more related to Punjabi (Dravidian) people. Those people are too much mixed with the native Turco-Mongoloid Steppes people and Scythians.

Saka/Scythians from the Steppes had a lot EHG auDNA in them and were 'light' compared to the black Dravidians. By the time when Scythians invaded his areas there was no such thing as proto-Iranians anymore.

[Leto]

Who is saying thay he is from proto-Iranians. Pashtuns are not related to my people. They are much more related to Punjabi (Dravidian) people. Those people are too much mixed with the native Turco-Mongoloid Steppes people and Scythians.

Saka/Scythians from the Steppes had a lot EHG auDNA in them and were 'light' compared to the black Dravidians. By the time when Scythians invaded his areas there was no such thing as proto-Iranians anymore.
Why the fuck do you keep saying Mongoloid? The Bronze Age steppe was neither Mongoloid, nor Turkic. They were basically white people genetically.

[MS85]

At least they did not look like Woggistani refugees or fruit sellers.You confuse Kurds with Turks. It is the Turks who are the tomato sellers.

Sintashta folks were just the weakest link. They were morons and were defeated by the Mongoloid people and later assimilated into their DNA. Like Darwin said, the weakest races loose and the strongest one survive. The retarrd Sintashta folks had nothing to do with more mighty Iranic/Aryan people who later found many mighty empires on this planet.

[Leto]

You confuse Kurds with Turks. It is the Turks who are the tomato sellers.

Sintashta folks were just the weakest link. They were morons and were defeated by the Mongoloid people and later assimilated into their DNA. Like Darwin said, the weakest races loose and the strongest one survive. The retarrd Sintashta folks had nothing to do with more mighty Iranic/Aryan people who later found many mighty empires on this planet.
Kurds are considered blacks in Turkey, ask Turkish TA members.

[MS85]

Why the fuck do you keep saying Mongoloid? The Bronze Age steppe was neither Mongoloid, nor Turkic. They were basically white people genetically.You missed DNA results from the OKUNEV culture. Okunev Culture was located in the same region as Sintashta/Andronovo.

Okunev culture was preceded by Afanasevo and followed by Andronovo culture. Okunev folks were MONGOLOID. We have got ancient DNA of them, this is a fact!


Ancient Steppes has always been occupied by MONGOLOID Denisovan people. Aryans have nothing to do with that shit.

[MS85]

Kurds are considered blacks in Turkey, ask Turkish TA members.Turks are considered Denisovan monkeys in Kurdistan. Ask me.

[Leto]

Okay, dude, I don't wanna continue, you flood every thread with Kurdish supremacist propaganda. I have nothing against reasonable nationalism but not the "we wuz" type, especially when it's not based on facts.

[Kyp]

Okay, dude, I don't wanna continue, you flood every thread with Kurdish supremacist propaganda. I have nothing against reasonable nationalism but not the "we wuz" type, especially when it's not based on facts.

does he even live in "Kurdistan"?

[SharpFork]

does he even live in "Kurdistan"?
Kurdistan is whereever Kurds live, or wherever 100% proto-Kurd people such as the Sumerians, Xiongnu, Tolmecs etc. lived.

[Leto]

does he even live in "Kurdistan"?
Kurdistan is dominated by Muzzrats anyway, Yazidis are not welcome there. They mass-migrated to Russia and the West and if they mix with non-Yazidis, Yazidism will disappear since they don't accept converts. You can't subjugate European blondes in Yazidism ;)

[MS85]

Okay, dude, I don't wanna continue, you flood every thread with Kurdish supremacist propaganda. I have nothing against reasonable nationalism but not the "we wuz" type, especially when it's not based on facts.I'm not trying to convince anybody. I'm not a dictator. I'm open and hungry for knowledge. I'm a free mind and people should make their own conclusions. People can read and make their own mind, and it is not me to 'impose' my knowledge on other people. I'm not like that.

All I know is that according to the modern science Kurds are just native to Kurdistan and thanks my SUN God (Xode Shems) that I've not much of Mongoloid Denisovan Steppes ancestry in me. The last thing I want is to be related to those people. Halleluiah, praise the lord.

[SharpFork]

I'm not trying to convince anybody. I'm not a dictator. I'm open and hungry for knowledge. I'm a free mind and people should make their own conclusions. People can read and make their own mind, and it is not me to 'impose' my knowledge on other people. I'm not like that.

All I know is that according to the modern science Kurds are just native to Kurdistan and thanks my SUN God (Xode Shems) that I've not much of Mongoloid Denisovan Steppes ancestry in me. The last thing I want is to be related to those people. Halleluiah, praise the lord.
I'm fairly sure Armenians would contend Kurds being native to the Van area.

[MS85]

does he even live in "Kurdistan"?Can you tell me where it is save for me to live as an Ezdi Kurd in the historic lands in Kurdistan, and where I can build my future and future of my children without being afraid of being killed?

[Leto]

Can you tell me where it is save for me as an Ezdi Kurd in historic lands in Kurdistan, and where I can build my future and future of my children without being afraid of being killed?
I think Muslim Kurds in Iran are fairly safe and don't face any persecution. Persians are very close to them racially and culturally, so integration should be much easier than in white European countries or even Turkey.

[MS85]

Kurdistan is dominated by Muzzrats anyway, Yazidis are not welcome there. They mass-migrated to Russia and the West and if they mix with non-Yazidis, Yazidism will disappear since they don't accept converts. You can't subjugate European blondes in Yazidism ;)When Ottoman Turks committed a Genocide on my people 150 years ago, my people were rescued by the Russian Empire. 150 years ago my ancestors fled Kars-Wan region and moved to Armenia/Georgia which was at that time part of the Russian Empire. This is how my people ended up in Armenia/Georgia.

Later on the USSR collapsed and my relatives emigrated out of Georgia.


We will see whether Yezidism will disappear or not. Only the weakest mix with the outsiders (and I have got a lot weak people within my family), but the strongest stay within our community.

There are big communities of Ezdi people in Armenia and Germany that are homogeneous and very cohesive. Those communities will survive.


By the way I have got close relatives living in Moscow who are professors and part of Kurdish intelligentsia.

[MS85]

I think Muslim Kurds in Iran are fairly safe and don't face any persecution. Persians are very close to them racially and culturally, so integration should be much easier than in white European countries or even Turkey.Muslim Kurds in Iran are Sunni, while most Iranians are mostly Shia. Persians are Shia. And Shia don't like Sunnis. But nevertheless most Kurds in Iran/Eastern Kurdistan are very weak and don't want fight for their rights.

Also, Iranians almost wiped out Ezdi communities in Iran. Ezdi Kurds are afraid to show their identity, because of persecution and oppression by Muslims.

[MS85]

I'm fairly sure Armenians would contend Kurds being native to the Van area.Area within Van-Kars are past of historic Armenia. The problem is that there are no Armenians left there. Most Armenians don't even want to live in Armenian. And there are not much Armenians that need and can repopulated such a huge areas. Only 3 million Armenians live in Armenia and even those Armenians don't want to stay in Armenia.

Compare that with the 25 million Kurds in Northern Kurdistan.

[Leto]

Muslim Kurds in Iran are Sunni, while most Iranians are mostly Shia. Persians are Shia. And Shia don't like Sunnis. But nevertheless most Kurds in Iran/Eastern Kurdistan are very weak and don't want fight for their rights.

Also, Iranians almost wiped out Ezdi communities in Iran. Ezdi Kurds are afraid to show their identity, because of persecution and oppression by Muslims.
Well, unfortunately it's true, the Yazidis are true refugees, they're not very welcome in the Middle East. Maybe in Bashar's Syria they were and would be okay but his country is basically torn the fuck apart at the moment and there is no end in sight.

[MS85]

They mass-migrated to Russia and the West and if they mix with non-YazidisMost Ezdi Kurds in diaspora live in Germany. There are more than 100 thousand Ezdi Kurds in Germany

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yazidis_in_Germany

There is also a big diaspora in France/Belgium and still in Armenia. To bad that the most Ezdi Kurds left Georgia, because it is the best country for the Ezdi Kurds.


There are for about 61 thousand Ezdi Kurds living in Russia. Most of them came from Armenia and Georgia after the collapse of the USSR. But I hope those Ezdi Kurds who are not mixed with the Russians will leave Russia as soon as possible. Russia is not a good country for them. Russians are much more friendly toward the Turks. And Russians are goog at assimilating people. France is very friendly toward the Ezdi Kurds. But I hope they will move to the US.

And the first steps are taken!!


" In the United States, Yazidi communities exist in Lincoln, Nebraska and Houston, Texas. It is thought that Nebraska has the largest settlement (an estimated number of at least 10,000) of Yazidis in the United States, with a history of immigration to the state under refuge settlement programs starting in the late 1990s. "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yazidi_Americans



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4KfMYObCUY

Ezdi cemetary in America: https://www.1011now.com/content/news/A-Lincoln-North-Star-senior-celebrates-Arbor-Day-at-Yazidi-Cemetary-509139311.html

[Kyp]

I don't like how Kurds behave in Germany to be honest. I don't know much about the Yazidi community though.

[MS85]

I don't like how Kurds behave in Germany to be honest. I don't know much about the Yazidi community though.Our community center in Germany is in Oldenburg. In Germany live more Ezdi Kurds than in the whole (USSR) Russia, Ukraine, Armenia and Georgia combined, because of our recent exodus from Caucasus. Georgians were the best host population. We will always remember their hospitality. There are still few thousands Ezdi Kurds left in Georgia and we even have got our fire temple there.

Ezdi Kurds are not Muslims, so it is very easy for us to adapt.

[Kyp]

Our community center in Germany is in Oldenburg. In Germany live more Ezdi Kurds than in the whole (USSR) Russia, Ukraine, Armenia and Georgia combined, because of our recent exodus from Caucasus. Georgians were the best host population. We will always remember their hospitality. There are still few thousands Ezdi Kurds left in Georgia and we even have got our fire tempel there.

Ezdi Kurds are not Muslims, so it is very easy for us to adapt.

Do you know if the Mhallami people from Lebanon (originally from Mardin/Turkey) are Kurds or arabs? Lebanese people call them Kurds. They are known in Germany for being very criminal and scummy.

[MS85]

Do you know if the Mhallami people from Lebanon (originally from Mardin/Turkey) are Kurds or arabs? Lebanese people call them Kurds. They are known in Germany for being very criminal and scummy.Sorry, can't say something additional about them what you can't find on internet.

[Leto]

I don't like how Kurds behave in Germany to be honest. I don't know much about the Yazidi community though.
As far as I know even Turks in Turkey consider places like Diyarbakır hellholes basically. Higher rates of illiteracy, underage marriages, poverty and crime.

[Kyp]

As far as I know even Turks in Turkey consider places like Diyarbakır hellholes basically. Higher rates of illiteracy, underage marriages, poverty and crime.

Yes but they seem to be so different from their ethnic cousins aswell (persians..)

[MS85]

As far as I know even Turks in Turkey consider places like Diyarbakır hellholes basically. Higher rates of illiteracy, underage marriages, poverty and crime.Because Turks are stealing our resources, but never invest in our region. Do you know that Mongoloid Turks bombed/depopulated thousands of villages in Kurdistan, made millions Kurds homeless in order to bring them to big Western Turkish cites and assimilate them.

[MS85]

Disgusting Mongoloid Denisovan Turks are destroying our homeland. It is a WAR in Northern Kurdistan. Turks are trying to destroy the Kurds. But there will be karma/vendetta big time.


" Other estimates have put the number of destroyed Kurdish villages at over 4,000. In total up to 3,000,000 people (mainly Kurds) have been displaced. An estimated of 1,000,000 are still internally displaced as of 2009. "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdish_villages_depopulated_by_Turkey

[Leto]

We will see whether Yezidism will disappear or not. Only the weakest mix with the outsiders (and I have got a lot weak people within my family), but the strongest stay within our community.

There are big communities of Ezdi people in Armenia and Germany that are homogeneous and very cohesive. Those communities will survive.

Do your people have any specific food? I don't know anything about your dietary habits, it's quite personal. Maybe you and your people just feed on Muslim food and globalist junk food like McDonald's :D The whole world is becoming like American fat fucks (I'm not trying to offend anyone with health problems).

[MS85]

Do your people have any specific food?Difficult to explain. I think of grar (soup made of yoghurt and some specific wheat in it), kofte dan ('kofte' made of pure grinded wheat with onions and butter) and 'tersho' (made of some kind of vegetable compared to spinach, but not really spinach).


Armenians call 'grar' 'spas' I guess.

https://i.postimg.cc/5tPJX2hY/Armenian-Yogurt-Soup-Spas-3.jpg


But I was born and raised in Georgia USSR and I'm used to food of that place (mostly Georgian) and of that era and I do still eat Russian borsj very often or Russian salad etc.

[Leto]

"sample": "Pashtun:Average",
"fit": 1.3667,
"IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 53.33,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 29.17,
"Simulated_AASI": 12.5,
"Mongola": 3.33,
"Anatolia_Barcin_C": 1.67

"sample": "Tajik_Ishkashim:Average",
"fit": 1.8844,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 44.17,
"IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 42.5,
"Mongola": 6.67,
"Simulated_AASI": 6.67,
"Anatolia_Barcin_C": 0

"sample": "Tajik_Rushan:Average",
"fit": 1.6918,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 52.5,
"IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 36.67,
"Mongola": 6.67,
"Simulated_AASI": 2.5,
"Anatolia_Barcin_C": 1.67

"sample": "Tajik_Shugnan:Average",
"fit": 2.01,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 50.83,
"IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 38.33,
"Mongola": 5.83,
"Simulated_AASI": 4.17,
"Anatolia_Barcin_C": 0.83

"sample": "Tajik_Yagnobi:Average",
"fit": 1.9301,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 45,
"IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 38.33,
"Anatolia_Barcin_C": 12.5,
"Mongola": 4.17,
"Simulated_AASI": 0

Unfortunately there are no mainstream (Persian-speaking) Tajikistani samples on Global25, they obviously would have more 'Woggistani' blood than Pamiris. Only 4% of Tajikistan's population live in Badakhshan.

[MS85]

Btw, who are so the called Sintashta people? Did they even speak an Indo-European language? Did they achieve anything in their life? All I know is that they wiped out by other Mongoloid tribes.

It is more likely Sintashta people spoke a some kind Dibero-Uralic dialect.

Thousands of years later after they were wiped out from the face of earth, Aryan Medo-Persians (Western Iranians) found 2 biggest modern empires known for that time. Median and Achaemenid Empire were the true Aryan Empires and part of the Aryan civilization.

[Leto]

Btw, who are so the called Sintashta people? Did they even speak an Indo-European language? Did they achieve anything in their life? All I know is that they wiped out by other Mongoloid tribes.

Thousands of years later after they were wiped out from the face of earth, Aryan Medo-Persians found 2 biggest modern empires known for that time. Median and Achaemenid Empire were the true Aryan Empires and part of the Aryan civilization.
The Sintashta culture, also known as the Sintashta-Petrovka culture[1] or Sintashta-Arkaim culture,[2] is a Bronze Age archaeological culture of the northern Eurasian steppe on the borders of Eastern Europe and Central Asia, dated to the period 2100–1800 BCE.[3] The culture is named after the Sintashta archaeological site, in Chelyabinsk Oblast, Russia.

The Sintashta culture is widely regarded as the origin of the Indo-Iranian languages. The earliest known chariots have been found in Sintashta burials, and the culture is considered a strong candidate for the origin of the technology, which spread throughout the Old World and played an important role in ancient warfare.[4] Sintashta settlements are also remarkable for the intensity of copper mining and bronze metallurgy carried out there, which is unusual for a steppe culture.[5]

The people of the Sintashta culture are thought to have spoken Proto-Indo-Iranian, the ancestor of the Indo-Iranian language family. This identification is based primarily on similarities between sections of the Rig Veda, an Indian religious text which includes ancient Indo-Iranian hymns recorded in Vedic Sanskrit, with the funerary rituals of the Sintashta culture as revealed by archaeology.[12] There is linguistic evidence of interaction between Finno-Ugric and Indo-Iranian languages, showing influences from the Indo-Iranians into the Finno-Ugric culture.[13] From the Sintashta culture the Indo-Iranian languages migrated with the Indo-Iranians to Anatolia, India and Iran.[14][15] From the 9th century BCE onward, Iranian languages also migrated westward with the Scythians back to the Pontic steppe where the proto-Indo-Europeans came from.[15]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sintashta_culture

THEY WUZ ARYANZ

[MS85]

The Sintashta culture, also known as the Sintashta-Petrovka culture[1] or Sintashta-Arkaim culture,[2] is a Bronze Age archaeological culture of the northern Eurasian steppe on the borders of Eastern Europe and Central Asia, dated to the period 2100–1800 BCE.[3] The culture is named after the Sintashta archaeological site, in Chelyabinsk Oblast, Russia.

The Sintashta culture is widely regarded as the origin of the Indo-Iranian languages. The earliest known chariots have been found in Sintashta burials, and the culture is considered a strong candidate for the origin of the technology, which spread throughout the Old World and played an important role in ancient warfare.[4] Sintashta settlements are also remarkable for the intensity of copper mining and bronze metallurgy carried out there, which is unusual for a steppe culture.[5]
Dude, they couldn't even write. Why do people think spoke Indo-Iranian? They left nothing in written form.

Chariots were already known among the Sumerians 1000 years before Sintashta culture and metallurgy is actually from Iran

[MS85]

Btw, ARYAN BMAC predate Sintashta culture also by thousands of years. BMAC was for sure Iranic, since it had many archaeological links with the Iranian Plateau

[Leto]

Btw, ARYAN BMAC predate Sintashta culture also by thousands of years. BMAC was for sure Iranic, since it had many archaeological links with the Iranian Plateau
Nah, they were some brown farmers, possibly Dravidian. And then those whites came down from Chelyabinsk and race-mixed with them creating the hybrid BMAC/Steppe culture.

[MS85]

Nah, they were some brown farmers, possibly Dravidian. And then those whites came down from Chelyabinsk and race-mixed with them creating the hybrid BMAC/Steppe culture.They were much more advanced than Denisovan Sintashta folks.

Aryan BMAC (YAZ) Civilization dates back to 2400 BC.

Turco-Mongoloid Denisovan Sintashta dates back only to 2100 BC.


Ancient Aryan GUTI from Zagros mountains attacked Babylon (Sumero-Akkadians) already by 2212 BC. Even before Turco-Mongoloid Denisovan Sintashta evolved from the Mongoloid Okunev culture. Not much later Sintashta folks became Mongols.


But the Aryan history didn't stopped there. Kassites/Mitanni ruled over Northern Mesopotamia around 1600 BC and 1000 years later the REAL Aryans, the legendary Medes, destroyed the Assyrians/Akkadians and found the FIRST Aryan Empire. All those Aryans were Western Iranians.


Btw, warrior chariots are useless in Kurdistan, since there are mountains in Kurdistan. Noobdy can conquer Kurdistan with chariots and even today NOBODY can conquer Kurdistan with tanks. With other words, Kurdistan has never been conquered by anybody.

[Leto]

They were much more advanced than Denisovan Sintashta folks.

Aryan BMAC (YAZ) Civilization dates back to 2400 BC.

Turco-Mongoloid Denisovan Sintashta dates back only to 2100 BC.


Ancient Aryan GUTI from Zagros mountains attacked Babylon (Sumero-Akkadians) already by 2212 BC. Even before Turco-Mongoloid Denisovan Sintashta evolved from the Mongoloid Okunev culture.


But Aryan history didn't stopped there. Kassites/Mitanni ruled over Northern Mesopotamia around 1600 BC and 1000 years later the REAL Aryans, the legendary Medes, destroyed the Assyrians/Akkadians and found the FIRST Aryan Empire. All those Aryans were Western Iranians.

Stop repeating that nonsense, they were neither Turkic, nor Mongoloid. They were white, almost identical to the Corded Ware, unlike you brown guy! Accept that your language originated outside of the Middle East.

[MS85]

Stop repeating that nonsense, they were neither Turkic, nor Mongoloid. They were white, almost identical to the Corded Ware, unlike you brown guy! Accept that your language originated outside of the Middle East.No, they evolved from Okunev people.

I have seen their DNA

They had some EHG, some Iranian Plateau DNA and some Mongoloid auDNA. They were Denisovan monkeys who later became known as Mongols and later as Russian Tatars.


Russians Tatars have absolutely NOTHING to do with the Aryans and Aryan Empires (like that of the Medes) in northern Mesopotamia.

[Leto]

No, they evolved from Okunev people.

I have seen their DNA

They had some EHG, some Iranian Plateau DNA and some Mongoloid auDNA. They were Denisovan monkeys who later became known as Mongols and later as Russian Tatars.


Russians Tatars have absolutely NOTHIGN to do with the Aryans and Aryan Empires (like that of the Medes) in northern Mesopotamia.
You are an idiot, dude. I'm outta here.

[MS85]

You are an idiot, dude. I'm outta here.
You are just a wannabe Aryan. Tell me what is you connection with the Medes, with the Aryan Magi tribe of the Median Empire? The 3 wise Kings of Media who followed the star of Bethlehem. What is your connection with the 'laws of the Medes and Persians'? With the modern treaties the Medes had with their enemies.

[MS85]

By the way, Denisovan Sintashta and other ancient Denisovan Steppes cultures had a lot Aryan Iranian Plateau auDNA in them, but there is not much of Steppes auDNA in Iran. What does this tell us? It means that real true Aryans from Iran migrated into the Steppes (via BMAC) while there was only a minor geneflow from the Steppes into Iran.

[Kyp]

They were much more advanced than Denisovan Sintashta folks.

Aryan BMAC (YAZ) Civilization dates back to 2400 BC.

Turco-Mongoloid Denisovan Sintashta dates back only to 2100 BC.


Ancient Aryan GUTI from Zagros mountains attacked Babylon (Sumero-Akkadians) already by 2212 BC. Even before Turco-Mongoloid Denisovan Sintashta evolved from the Mongoloid Okunev culture. Not much later Sintashta folks became Mongols.


But Aryan history didn't stopped there. Kassites/Mitanni ruled over Northern Mesopotamia around 1600 BC and 1000 years later the REAL Aryans, the legendary Medes, destroyed the Assyrians/Akkadians and found the FIRST Aryan Empire. All those Aryans were Western Iranians.


Btw, warrior chariots are useless in Kurdistan, since there are mountains in Kurdistan. Noobdy can conquer Kurdistan with chariots and even today NOBODY can conquer Kurdistan with tanks. With other words, Kurdistan has never been conquered by anybody.

are there actual scholars or historians who call the Gutians, Kassites Aryan or Iranian? have I missed something? Stop talking out of your ass.

[MS85]

are there actual scholars or historians who call the Gutians, Kassites Aryan or Iranian? have I missed something? Stop talking out of your ass.Yeah, according to the Armenian Plateau hypothesis of Ivanov Gutians were Indo-European people. Just use google scholar.

At least Gutians could write and used Sumero-Akkadian writing. While retard Sintashta folks came even later and left nothing in written form. I don't even understand why people connect Denisovan folks to Indo-Europeans at the first place. Just show me with academic sources what language they spoke

[Zoro]

From wikipaedia


Aryan" (/ˈɛəriən/)[1] has as its root a term that was used as a self-designation by Indo-Iranian people.[note 1] The term was used by the Indo-Aryan people of the Vedic period in India as an ethnic label for themselves and later refer to the noble class as well as the geographic region known as Āryāvarta, where Indo-Aryan culture is based (in this region).[2][3] The Iranian people used the term as an ethnic label for themselves in the Avesta scriptures, and the word forms the etymological source of the country name Iran. It was believed in the 19th century that Aryan was also a self-designation used by all Proto-Indo-Europeans, a theory that has now been abandoned.[8] Scholars point out that, even in ancient times, the idea of being an "Aryan" was religious, cultural and linguistic, not racial

Drawing on misinterpreted references in the Rig Veda by Western scholars in the 19th century, the term "Aryan" was adopted as a racial category through the works of Arthur de Gobineau, whose ideology of race was based on an idea of blonde northern European "Aryans" who had migrated across the world and founded all major civilizations, before being diluted through racial mixing with local populations. Through the works of Houston Stewart Chamberlain, Gobineau's ideas later influenced the Nazi racial ideology which saw "Aryan peoples" as innately superior to other putative racial groups.[12]


Sintashta themselves didn’t march into Iran, Afghanistan or India. Their Saka, Alan, Parthian descendants did but those descendants were not pure Sintashta. Those descendants had picked up all sorts of admixture from central Asia and surrounding places and they were by no means Europeans.

Sintashta itself also had some sort of west Asian farmer ancestry. So when you consider all these things the folks that brought Indo-Iranian languages from the steppe were NOT Europeans

[MS85]

If you doubt what I'm saying just google 'Umman Manda' + Guti, Gutians, Gutium or Gudea and you will find many hits.

Umman Manda were Aryan people of Northern Mesopotamia since the third millennium BC.

The Aryan Mitanni/Matiene, Kassites, Medes, Gutians were all called 'Umman Manda' by the Semites.

https://i.postimg.cc/N0LSbx3j/gutians.jpg


https://www.academia.edu/5654237/The_Umman-manda_in_the_Hittite_Texts

[Kyp]

From wikipaedia




Sintashta themselves didn’t march into Iran, Afghanistan or India. Their Saka, Alan, Parthian descendants did but those descendants were not pure Sintashta. Those descendants had picked up all sorts of admixture from central Asia and surrounding places and they were by no means Europeans.

Sintashta itself also had some sort of west Asian farmer ancestry. So when you consider all these things the folks that brought Indo-Iranian languages from the steppe were NOT Europeans

I think no one here is arguing that.

[MS85]

The Medes, Mitanni (Matiene) and Kassites were all Gutians, the same people.

https://i.postimg.cc/ryYdPyRy/Gudea.jpg

http://www.camrea.org/2016/10/11/kings-of-the-umman-manda-media-their-hidden-origins-and-history/

[Slavic Italian]

This one seems to be closest to the reference

Kit M470761

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 37.57
2 East_Med 28.82
3 South_Asian 13.92
4 Red_Sea 6.06
5 Baltic 4.76
6 West_Med 4.4
7 North_Atlantic 1.68
8 Northeast_African 1.29
9 Amerindian 0.6
10 Sub-Saharan 0.43
11 Siberian 0.42
12 Oceanian 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Iranian 3.98
2 Kurdish 6.45
3 Azeri 8.49
4 Georgian_Jewish 13.53
5 Armenian 13.83
6 Turkish 14.11
7 Assyrian 15.42
8 Iranian_Jewish 16.25
9 Kumyk 16.67
10 Turkmen 16.77
11 Kurdish_Jewish 17.5
12 Georgian 18.67
13 Adygei 19.01
14 Abhkasian 19.82
15 Balkar 20.89
16 Ossetian 21.12
17 Lebanese_Muslim 21.39
18 Kabardin 21.52
19 North_Ossetian 21.58
20 Lezgin 21.69

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 94.6% Iranian + 5.4% Kanjar @ 2.36
2 94.7% Iranian + 5.3% Velamas @ 2.38
3 94.9% Iranian + 5.1% Kol @ 2.38
4 94.5% Iranian + 5.5% Dharkar @ 2.38
5 95.1% Iranian + 4.9% Piramalai @ 2.39
6 93.8% Iranian + 6.2% Kshatriya @ 2.39
7 95% Iranian + 5% North_Kannadi @ 2.4
8 95% Iranian + 5% Dusadh @ 2.42
9 95.4% Iranian + 4.6% Chamar @ 2.42
10 94.9% Iranian + 5.1% Kurumba @ 2.42
11 93.8% Iranian + 6.2% Gujarati @ 2.42
12 94.9% Iranian + 5.1% Uttar_Pradesh @ 2.43
13 95.4% Iranian + 4.6% Sakilli @ 2.44
14 93.7% Iranian + 6.3% Brahmin_UP @ 2.46
15 95.1% Iranian + 4.9% Chenchu @ 2.48
16 92.1% Iranian + 7.9% Sindhi @ 2.56
17 94.3% Iranian + 5.7% Bangladeshi @ 2.57
18 91.3% Iranian + 8.7% Pathan @ 2.62
19 92.5% Iranian + 7.5% Punjabi_Jat @ 2.64
20 96.1% Iranian + 3.9% Austroasiatic_Ho @ 2.84

A good match for me.

Largest segment = 4.8 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 204.2 cM (5.694 Pct)

175 shared segments found for this comparison.

861239 SNPs used for this comparison.

54.465 Pct SNPs are full identical

[MS85]

The Cyrus Cylinder from 539 BCE

https://i.postimg.cc/9MHMhztZ/cyrus-cilinder.jpg

On this cylinder it is also written:

"He made the land of Gutium and all the Umman-manda bow in submission at his feet. And he{I.e., Cyrus.}} shepherded with justice and righteousness all the black-headed people,"

https://www.livius.org/sources/content/cyrus-cylinder/cyrus-cylinder-translation/


Here we have a fact that Cyrus related/connected Gutium/Gutians with the Aryan Umman-manda. According to Cyrus 'Umman-manda' folks (Aryans) were the black-headed people.

[MS85]

The Aryan Medes, Aryan Gutians and all other Aryan Umman-manda folks were the black-headed people. The Aryan Medes were also dark. It means for the West Iranic Kurds, that the darkest Kurds are actually closest in looks to the ancient Aryans of Kurdistan.

[MS85]

And who were the ancient Gutian Umman-manda? I'm lazy, so I'm going to use wiki:

" The homeland of Umman Manda seems to be somewhere from Central Anatolia to north or northeastern Babylonia in what later came to be known as Mitanni, Mannae and Media, respectively. Zaluti, whose name seems to have an Indo-Iranian etymology, is mentioned as a leader of Ummanda Manda. He is even suggested to be identified with Salitis the founder of the Hyksos, the Fifteenth dynasty of Egypt.

In the first millennium BC, the term denoted Cimmerians and/or Medes. "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umman_Manda

[Zoro]

I think no one here is arguing that.

So why is the idiot Davidski and a few other idiots we know about playing mind games by pushing their European dominance agenda and brainwashing everyone including folks here to use Sintashta to model west Asians or south Asians in G25, and doing everything they can to coerce people into not using the actual steppe proxies from the Iron Age that brought Indo-Iranian languages into Iran, Afghanistan, and India such as Saka, Alans, and Sarmatians in his G25.

Sadly the subtle mental coersion and brainwashing seems to have worked because people here and other places will use unlikely proxies such as Sintashta and Han or Dai of all things but avoid using Saka, Sarmatians and Alans in G25. :picard1:

[Proto-Shaman]

Sometaims idiz hart to distinguish bitwin Guz (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oghuz_languages) and Iranians.

[MS85]

Sometaims idiz hart to distinguish bitwin Guz (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oghuz_languages) and Iranians.I don't know much about Oghuz Turks, but the Seljuk Turks (Turkmen) heavily mixed with the eastern Iranic people in Central Asia. Old Seljuks (Turkmen) were mongrel people.

[Proto-Shaman]

I don't know much about Oghuz Turks, but the Seljuk Turks (Turkmen) heavily mixed with the eastern Iranic people in Central Asia. Old Seljuks (Turkmen) were mongrel people.
I think Turks and Iranians were the same shit. Both have agglutination.

[MS85]

I think Turks and Iranians were the same shit. Both have agglutination.Western Iranians are native to an area around Zagros/Northern Mesopotamia/Southwest Caspian Sea, while original Turks are from Central Asia/Altai. Our Western Iranian language is from West Asia, while Turkic language is from Central Asia.

Our languages are very different. Iranic has ergativity, while Turkic as an Altaic language doesn't have any ergativity.

Also, both groups belong to 2 different races and different cultures. Western Iranians have a lot ancient Iranian Plateau farmer auDNA. It is our 'native' auDNA. And our culture is linked to Mesopotamia. But it is true that the Aryans from the Iranian Plateau spread their auDNA into the Steppes, still it is not really native to the Siberian/Mongoloid folks in the Steppes.

[Leto]

Dodecad K12b Oracle results:

Kit M470761

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 35.84
2 Gedrosia 28.75
3 Southwest_Asian 14.42
4 South_Asian 6
5 Atlantic_Med 5.31
6 North_European 5.23
7 East_African 1.83
8 Siberian 1.33
9 Northwest_African 1.08
10 Sub_Saharan 0.2

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Iranians (Behar) 3.19
2 Iranian (Dodecad) 5.57
3 Kurd (Dodecad) 6.52
4 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 8.05
5 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 13.26
6 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 14.76
7 Turks (Behar) 17.98
8 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 18.61
9 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 19.06
10 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 19.7
11 Assyrian (Dodecad) 19.74
12 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 19.95
13 Turkish (Dodecad) 20.27
14 Lebanese (Behar) 21.27
15 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 21.34
16 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 21.8
17 Syrians (Behar) 22.08
18 Armenian (Dodecad) 22.34
19 Jordanians (Behar) 24.09
20 Lezgins (Behar) 24.31

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 97.4% Iranians (Behar) + 2.6% Pulliyar (Metspalu) @ 2.21
2 97.4% Iranians (Behar) + 2.6% MALAYAN (Behar) @ 2.31
3 97.5% Iranians (Behar) + 2.5% Ho (Chaubey) @ 2.35
4 97.3% Iranians (Behar) + 2.7% Nihali (Metspalu) @ 2.36
5 97.5% Iranians (Behar) + 2.5% Savara (Chaubey) @ 2.36
6 97.4% Iranians (Behar) + 2.6% ASUR (Chaubey) @ 2.37
7 97.5% Iranians (Behar) + 2.5% Kharia (Chaubey) @ 2.39
8 97.3% Iranians (Behar) + 2.7% Gond (Metspalu) @ 2.44
9 97.6% Iranians (Behar) + 2.4% Juang (Chaubey) @ 2.46
10 97.4% Iranians (Behar) + 2.6% North_Kannadi (Behar) @ 2.47
11 97.6% Iranians (Behar) + 2.4% BONDA (Chaubey) @ 2.47
12 97.4% Iranians (Behar) + 2.6% Hakkipikki (Metspalu) @ 2.5
13 94.5% Iranians (Behar) + 5.5% Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) @ 2.54
14 97.4% Iranians (Behar) + 2.6% Chamar (Metspalu) @ 2.54
15 88.6% Kurd (Dodecad) + 11.4% Cochin_Jews (Behar) @ 2.54
16 97.3% Iranians (Behar) + 2.7% Chenchus (Metspalu) @ 2.58
17 97.4% Iranians (Behar) + 2.6% SAKILLI (Behar) @ 2.58
18 97.3% Iranians (Behar) + 2.7% Kol (Metspalu) @ 2.6
19 97.5% Iranians (Behar) + 2.5% Ethiopians (Behar) @ 2.62
20 97.6% Iranians (Behar) + 2.4% Ethiopian_Jews (Behar) @ 2.63
Another one

Y-DNA: G2
mtDNA: J1c


Dodecad K12b Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 39.48
2 Gedrosia 27.4
3 Southwest_Asian 12.64
4 North_European 7.21
5 Atlantic_Med 5.64
6 South_Asian 5.63
7 Southeast_Asian 0.88
8 Siberian 0.74
9 East_African 0.39

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Iranian (Dodecad) 3.13
2 Kurd (Dodecad) 5.2
3 Iranians (Behar) 5.47
4 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 5.55
5 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 11.34
6 Turks (Behar) 14.9
7 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 15.3
8 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 16.76
9 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 17.2
10 Turkish (Dodecad) 17.25
11 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 17.36
12 Assyrian (Dodecad) 17.54
13 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 18.13
14 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 18.17
15 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 19.04
16 Armenian (Dodecad) 19.23
17 Lebanese (Behar) 20.89
18 Lezgins (Behar) 21.02
19 Armenians (Behar) 22.2
20 Syrians (Behar) 22.45

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.2% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 6.8% Gond (Metspalu) @ 1.2
2 93.8% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 6.2% MALAYAN (Behar) @ 1.28
3 93.4% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 6.6% North_Kannadi (Behar) @ 1.28
4 93.6% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 6.4% Nihali (Metspalu) @ 1.29
5 93.1% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 6.9% Chamar (Metspalu) @ 1.31
6 93.3% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 6.7% Hakkipikki (Metspalu) @ 1.34
7 92.8% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 7.2% Kol (Metspalu) @ 1.38
8 93.1% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 6.9% SAKILLI (Behar) @ 1.4
9 92.8% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 7.2% Chenchus (Metspalu) @ 1.43
10 91.7% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 8.3% Tharus (Metspalu) @ 1.47
11 92.6% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 7.4% Dusadh (Metspalu) @ 1.51
12 92.5% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 7.5% Uttar_Pradesh_Scheduled_Caste (Metspalu) @ 1.53
13 93.8% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 6.2% ASUR (Chaubey) @ 1.57
14 92.9% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 7.1% Piramalai_Kallars (Metspalu) @ 1.6
15 92.1% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 7.9% Muslim (Metspalu) @ 1.62
16 94.3% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 5.7% Pulliyar (Metspalu) @ 1.63
17 92.2% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 7.8% Kanjars (Metspalu) @ 1.65
18 92.7% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 7.3% Kurumba (Metspalu) @ 1.67
19 92.1% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 7.9% Dharkars (Metspalu) @ 1.68
20 86.9% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 13.1% Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) @ 1.71


Dodecad K7b Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 51.47
2 Southern 26.72
3 Atlantic_Baltic 11.07
4 South_Asian 9.24
5 East_Asian 0.74
6 Siberian 0.73
7 African 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Iranian (Dodecad) 3.06
2 Iranians (Behar) 3.56
3 Kurd (Dodecad) 4.93
4 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 5.34
5 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 10.36
6 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 11.47
7 Armenians (Behar) 11.99
8 Abhkasians (Yunusbayev) 12.52
9 Georgians (Behar) 12.92
10 Armenian (Dodecad) 12.96
11 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 13.17
12 Turks (Behar) 13.56
13 Turkish (Dodecad) 14.18
14 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 14.36
15 Assyrian (Dodecad) 14.57
16 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 15.02
17 North_Ossetians (Yunusbayev) 16.12
18 Adygei (HGDP) 16.13
19 Balkars (Yunusbayev) 16.16
20 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 16.17

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.2% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 6.8% Chamar (Metspalu) @ 0.57
2 92.6% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 7.4% Kol (Metspalu) @ 0.59
3 93.4% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 6.6% North_Kannadi (Behar) @ 0.59
4 92.9% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 7.1% Chenchus (Metspalu) @ 0.6
5 93.3% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 6.7% Hakkipikki (Metspalu) @ 0.62
6 93.9% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 6.1% MALAYAN (Behar) @ 0.64
7 91.6% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 8.4% Muslim (Metspalu) @ 0.64
8 92.4% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 7.6% Uttar_Pradesh_Scheduled_Caste (Metspalu) @ 0.65
9 92.5% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 7.5% Dusadh (Metspalu) @ 0.66
10 91.9% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 8.1% Kanjars (Metspalu) @ 0.66
11 72.6% Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) + 27.4% Pathan (HGDP) @ 0.68
12 93.1% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 6.9% SAKILLI (Behar) @ 0.68
13 93.4% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 6.6% Gond (Metspalu) @ 0.68
14 91.7% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 8.3% Dharkars (Metspalu) @ 0.7
15 91.7% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 8.3% Tharus (Metspalu) @ 0.74
16 94% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 6% Pulliyar (Metspalu) @ 0.76
17 89.8% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 10.2% Cochin_Jews (Behar) @ 0.76
18 93.7% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 6.3% Nihali (Metspalu) @ 0.79
19 92.7% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 7.3% Piramalai_Kallars (Metspalu) @ 0.84
20 92.3% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 7.7% Tamil_Nadu_Scheduled_Caste (Metspalu) @ 0.88
HarappaWorld Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 41.13
2 Baloch 28.11
3 SW-Asian 11.84
4 Mediterranean 5.97
5 S-Indian 5.45
6 NE-Euro 4.63
7 American 1.12
8 SE-Asian 0.78
9 NE-Asian 0.49
10 Siberian 0.4
11 E-African 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 iranian (harappa) 3.16
2 kurd (harappa) 3.93
3 iranian (behar) 4.52
4 kurd (yunusbayev) 5.58
5 kurd (xing) 5.58
6 turkish (harappa) 10.23
7 azeri (harappa) 10.37
8 uzbekistan-jew (behar) 10.89
9 armenian (harappa) 11.88
10 iraqi-arab (harappa) 13.73
11 turk (behar) 14.62
12 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 14.7
13 iraqi-mandaean (harappa) 14.74
14 assyrian (harappa) 14.85
15 turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) 15.18
16 turkmen (yunusbayev) 15.79
17 iranian-jew (behar) 15.95
18 azerbaijan-jew (behar) 16.47
19 kumyk (yunusbayev) 17.08
20 georgia-jew (behar) 17.33

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 91.8% kurd (yunusbayev) + 8.2% gujarati-patel (harappa) @ 1.46
2 91.6% kurd (yunusbayev) + 8.4% gujarati-a (1000genomes) @ 1.48
3 87.3% kurd (yunusbayev) + 12.7% gujarati-muslim (harappa) @ 1.54
4 90.8% kurd (yunusbayev) + 9.2% kerala-nair (harappa) @ 1.56
5 90.5% kurd (yunusbayev) + 9.5% tn-brahmin (xing) @ 1.62
6 90.6% kurd (yunusbayev) + 9.4% gujarati (harappa) @ 1.64
7 90.4% kurd (yunusbayev) + 9.6% gujarati-b (hapmap) @ 1.64
8 90.7% kurd (yunusbayev) + 9.3% iyer-brahmin (harappa) @ 1.65
9 90.9% kurd (yunusbayev) + 9.1% ap-brahmin (xing) @ 1.68
10 90.5% kurd (yunusbayev) + 9.5% meghawal (reich) @ 1.69
11 90.5% kurd (yunusbayev) + 9.5% brahmin-tamil-nadu (metspalu) @ 1.69
12 91.5% kurd (yunusbayev) + 8.5% ap-reddy (harappa) @ 1.69
13 91% kurd (yunusbayev) + 9% singapore-indian-b (sgvp) @ 1.69
14 88.3% kurd (yunusbayev) + 11.7% punjabi-arain (xing) @ 1.7
15 90.5% kurd (yunusbayev) + 9.5% karnataka-brahmin (harappa) @ 1.71
16 90.5% kurd (yunusbayev) + 9.5% up-kshatriya (metspalu) @ 1.71
17 90.8% kurd (yunusbayev) + 9.2% iyengar-brahmin (harappa) @ 1.71
18 89.4% kurd (yunusbayev) + 10.6% cochin-jew (behar) @ 1.72
19 90.5% kurd (yunusbayev) + 9.5% maharashtrian (harappa) @ 1.72
20 88.6% kurd (yunusbayev) + 11.4% kashmiri-pahari (harappa) @ 1.73

[Kyp]

My Father Azeri-Turk from Iran, with minor Mazandarani and Persian ancestry:


HarappaWorld

1 Caucasian 39.44
2 Baloch 21.23
3 NE-Euro 10.91
4 SW-Asian 8.6
5 Mediterranean 6.88
6 S-Indian 4.26
7 NE-Asian 3.91
8 Siberian 3.58
9 Beringian 0.52
10 E-African 0.44
11 SE-Asian 0.23

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 azeri (harappa) 5.96
2 iranian (harappa) 7.14
3 turkish (harappa) 7.16
4 kurd (harappa) 7.68
5 kurd (yunusbayev) 9.44
6 iranian (behar) 9.49
7 turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) 9.54
8 turk (behar) 10.12
9 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 10.16
10 kurd (xing) 10.58
11 armenian (harappa) 11.68
12 turkmen (yunusbayev) 11.69
13 uzbekistan-jew (behar) 12.43
14 kumyk (yunusbayev) 12.52
15 turk-aydin (hodoglugil) 13.37
16 stalskoe (xing) 13.84
17 iraqi-arab (harappa) 14.38
18 assyrian (harappa) 16.75
19 lezgin (behar) 16.92
20 iraqi-mandaean (harappa) 18.5

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 79.4% turk (behar) + 20.6% bhatia (harappa) @ 2.33
2 77.2% turk (behar) + 22.8% pathan (hgdp) @ 2.4
3 78.3% turk (behar) + 21.7% sindhi (harappa) @ 2.57
4 72.3% turk (behar) + 27.7% pashtun (harappa) @ 2.57
5 78.7% turk (behar) + 21.3% burusho (hgdp) @ 2.72
6 77.1% turk (behar) + 22.9% kalash (hgdp) @ 2.78
7 79.5% turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) + 20.5% bhatia (harappa) @ 2.8
8 77.3% turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) + 22.7% pathan (hgdp) @ 2.8
9 77% turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) + 23% kalash (hgdp) @ 2.84
10 80.9% turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) + 19.1% balochi (hgdp) @ 2.91
11 72.4% turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) + 27.6% pashtun (harappa) @ 2.98
12 79.7% turk (behar) + 20.3% punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) @ 3.01
13 85.7% azeri (harappa) + 14.3% haryana-jatt (harappa) @ 3.05
14 78.5% turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) + 21.5% sindhi (harappa) @ 3.05
15 81.1% turk (behar) + 18.9% punjabi-arain (xing) @ 3.09
16 79.6% turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) + 20.4% sindhi (harappa) @ 3.1
17 80.8% turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) + 19.2% bhatia (harappa) @ 3.11
18 77.3% azeri (harappa) + 22.7% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 3.12
19 78.7% turk (behar) + 21.3% punjabi-khatri (harappa) @ 3.13
20 78.7% turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) + 21.3% pathan (hgdp) @ 3.16

[MS85]

HarappaWorld

1 Caucasian 40.8
2 Baloch 27.84
3 SW-Asian 13.91
4 Mediterranean 8.27
5 NE-Euro 3.91
6 S-Indian 2.22
7 Siberian 1.13
8 American 0.89
9 SE-Asian 0.65
10 Papuan 0.37

Population (source) Distance
1 kurd (harappa) 3.25
2 iranian (behar) 4.44
3 iranian (harappa) 4.71
4 kurd (xing) 4.74
5 kurd (yunusbayev) 5.33
6 uzbekistan-jew (behar) 9.16
7 turkish (harappa) 9.44
8 armenian (harappa) 10.46
9 azeri (harappa) 10.84

[Pine]

Warning: they may also be not fully Iranian, I couldn't verify their origins.

A103188
1 balochi_hgdp + georgian_harappa + iranian_harappa + syrian_behar @ 2.299037
M346537
1 armenian_behar + lezgin_behar + samaritian_behar + sindhi_hgdp @ 1.715126
A969963
1 armenian_yunusbayev + bhatia_harappa + turk-kayseri_hodoglugil + yemenese_behar @ 2.500079
M508781
1 bhatia_harappa + iranian_behar + north-ossetian_harappa + palestinian_harappa @ 1.860862
M470761
1 bhatia_harappa + kurd_xing + kurd_xing + palestinian_hgdp @ 1.981406
T524191
1 balochi_hgdp + samaritian_behar + urkarah_xing + uzbekistan-jew_behar @ 2.167687
A114871
1 balochi_hgdp + georgian_behar + kurd_yunusbayev + uzbekistan-jew_behar @ 1.691357

My sibling matches all but the second one on small segments.

[Kyp]

HarappaWorld

1 Caucasian 40.8
2 Baloch 27.84
3 SW-Asian 13.91
4 Mediterranean 8.27
5 NE-Euro 3.91
6 S-Indian 2.22
7 Siberian 1.13
8 American 0.89
9 SE-Asian 0.65
10 Papuan 0.37

Population (source) Distance
1 kurd (harappa) 3.25
2 iranian (behar) 4.44
3 iranian (harappa) 4.71
4 kurd (xing) 4.74
5 kurd (yunusbayev) 5.33
6 uzbekistan-jew (behar) 9.16
7 turkish (harappa) 9.44
8 armenian (harappa) 10.46
9 azeri (harappa) 10.84

Damn you're almost twice as close to iranian average than my father despite being a yazidi and not from Iran
Can you post Eurogenes k13 aswell?

[SharpFork]

What about internal Iranian differences and trends? AFAIK the Eastern parts have more south asian admixture, but what about the Caspian region? Or the South-West?

[MS85]

Damn you're almost twice as close to iranian average than my father despite being a yazidi and not from Iran
Can you post Eurogenes k13 aswell?We are the purest Kurds and therefore the closest people to the proto-West Iranic people (Aryans/Umman-manda). Your father has Turkic/Central Asian DNA, that's why he has more EHG/Siberian.

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 39.59
2 East_Med 31.79
3 South_Asian 8.5
4 West_Med 7.7
5 Red_Sea 5.02
6 Baltic 3.2
7 North_Atlantic 2.32
8 Siberian 1
9 Sub-Saharan 0.42
10 Amerindian 0.39
11 Northeast_African 0.06

Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Kurdish 2.81
2 Iranian 5.07
3 Azeri 6.82
4 Armenian 7.53
5 Georgian_Jewish 8.37
6 Assyrian 10.98
7 Turkish 11.23
8 Iranian_Jewish 13.4
9 Kurdish_Jewish 14.01
10 Georgian 15.44
11 Kumyk 16.11
12 Abhkasian 16.46
13 Adygei 17.79

[Kyp]

What about internal Iranian differences and trends? AFAIK the Eastern parts have more south asian admixture, but what about the Caspian region? Or the South-West?

Caspian region (mazandarani and gilak) also has more south asian admixture. The south-west has more arabian markers (red-sea, southwestasian, SSA)
Northwest is around 8% East Eurasian.

[Leto]

Caspian region (mazandarani and gilak) also has more south asian admixture. The south-west has more arabian markers (red-sea, southwestasian, SSA)
Northwest is around 8% East Eurasian.
8% EE? In Khorasan? I'm still waiting for results from Khorasan, I expect a bit more Baltic and shit like that.

[Kyp]

8% EE? In Khorasan? I'm still waiting for results from Khorasan, I expect a bit more Baltic and shit like that.

Khorasan is northeast. Don't know about the northeastern results either.

This girl is from the northeast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgNA79RXKKg

[Leto]

Ah, yes, the NW is Azerbaijan. I think it's 5-7% mongoloid on average, like the Republic of Azerbaijan.

[Kyp]

Ah, yes, the NW is Azerbaijan. I think it's 5-7% mongoloid on average, like the Republic of Azerbaijan.

I think the EE in the northeast varies a lot. A lot of Turkmens and Afghans are living there.

[Zoro]

Caspian region (mazandarani and gilak) also has more south asian admixture. The south-west has more arabian markers (red-sea, southwestasian, SSA)
Northwest is around 8% East Eurasian.

I think East Eurasian is probably closer to 15% in NW Iran. The calculators that show 8% such as Eurasia k3 and others use other components that hide East Eurasian. For ex in Eurasia k3 calculator i looked at the spreadsheet on gedmatch and noticed that they use Caucasians and Europeans as W. Eurasian references but the problem is that Europeans and Caucasians themselves also have E. Eurasian from all the west to east migrations after the Bronze age.

The only way to get total E. Eurasian admixture in Europeans and W. Asians is someone will have to design a k3 calculator with SSA component, ENF component, and E. Asian component. This calculator will give everyone their total E. Eurasian admixture.

[Zoro]

What about internal Iranian differences and trends? AFAIK the Eastern parts have more south asian admixture, but what about the Caspian region? Or the South-West?

Actually SW Iranians such as Bandaris, Shirazis, and SE Iraqis have pretty high S Asian admixture. Next time look at when a Shirazi or Bandari or Basra Iraqi posts their 23andme or some calculator results. You’ll be surprised. It’s from all the spice trade between the Persian Gulf and India. Remember Sindbad the sailor. He was from Basra Iraq :D

This is why people from Basra Iraq look Indian

http://i.imgur.com/JOsNwPN.jpg

[Leto]

I think East Eurasian is probably closer to 15% in NW Iran. The calculators that show 8% such as Eurasia k3 and others use other components that hide East Eurasian. For ex in Eurasia k3 calculator i looked at the spreadsheet on gedmatch and noticed that they use Caucasians and Europeans as W. Eurasian references but the problem is that Europeans and Caucasians themselves also have E. Eurasian from all the west to east migrations after the Bronze age.

The only way to get total E. Eurasian admixture in Europeans and W. Asians is someone will have to design a k3 calculator with SSA component, ENF component, and E. Asian component. This calculator will give everyone their total E. Eurasian admixture.
You're wrong, K3 exaggerates the East Eurasian a lot. Central and Western Europeans get 3-4% on that one.

[Zoro]

You're wrong, K3 exaggerates the East Eurasian a lot. Central and Western Europeans get 3-4% on that one.

No dude I’m right. You have no idea what I’m talking about. I’m not talking about the recent E. Asian within the last300 years like 23andme. I’m talking about the older E Asian in the Iron Age and the recent.

Where do you think the mongoloid looking Kurds Iranians or other W Asians get their looks from. If you think they get it from the 5 % more recent E Asian that will be hilarious . They get it from the 15 or 20% old E. Asian. All someone has to do is make a k3 calculator with SSA, ENF, and E. Asian components and all that hidden E Asian will come pouring out trust me :D

[Thambi]

No dude I’m right. You have no idea what I’m talking about. I’m not talking about the recent E. Asian within the last300 years like 23andme. I’m talking about the older E Asian in the Iron Age and the recent.

Where do you think the mongoloid looking Kurds Iranians or other W Asians get their looks from. If you think they get it from the 5 % more recent E Asian that will be hilarious . They get it from the 15 or 20% old E. Asian. All someone has to do is make a k3 calculator with SSA, ENF, and E. Asian components and all that hidden E Asian will come pouring out trust me :D

E eurasian could just be ASI lol on K3. doesnt have to be mongoloid. I get 41% E eurasian, doesnt mean im 41% mongoloid/E asian. For toorks, kurds, maybe its all E asian, but for iranians its definitely ASI

[MS85]

E eurasian could just be ASI lol on K3. doesnt have to be mongoloid. I get 41% E eurasian, doesnt mean im 41% mongoloid/E asian. For toorks, kurds, maybe its all E asian, but for iranians its definitely ASIIran, Iranians or Persians have much more 'Mongoloid' DNA than Kurds/Kurdistan. Turco-Persian history has been recorded.

But I do agree with the rest that Kurds don't have much of E.Eurasian auDNA. Most in Kurds is from the Scythians..

[Zoro]

E eurasian could just be ASI lol on K3. doesnt have to be mongoloid. I get 41% E eurasian, doesnt mean im 41% mongoloid/E asian. For toorks, kurds, maybe its all E asian, but for iranians its definitely ASI

Well Kurds and W and some NE Iranians have similar ASI, and I agree that your E Eurasian is ASI but if you think about it ASI is mostly E Eurasian of the SE Asian type anyways. To me SE Asian old or new is not much different from good old E Asian

No doubt Indians are heavily E Eurasian

[MS85]

I get 41% E eurasian, doesnt mean im 41% mongoloid/E asian.I'm sure a lot of your E. Eurasian component is actually from the Scythians who also brought R1a to the Indian Peninsula around 1500 BC.

Indians are actually full of the so called 'Mongoloid' DNA from Central Asia.

[Zoro]

Iran, Iranians or Persians have much more 'Mongoloid' DNA than Kurds/Kurdistan. Turco-Persian history has been recorded.

But I do agree with the rest that Kurds don't have much of E.Eurasian auDNA. Most in Kurds is from the Scythians..

How Do Persians and Iranians have much more mongoloid than Kurds when I, some of my 100% kurdish relatves and kurdish Gedmatch kits have more E Eurasian than many Iranians. I can post some calculator results later if you like

Actually I have seen some Iranians score the same or even less east Asian than you

[MS85]

How Do Persians and Iranians have much more mongoloid than Kurds when I, some of my 100% kurdish relatves and kurdish Gedmatch kits have more E Eurasian than many Iranians. I can post some calculator results later if you like

Actually I have seen some Iranians score the same or even less east Asian than youJust ask the Azerbaijani folks, they know everything about it. In Iran live also much, much more Turkmen and other Turkic speaking people than in Kurdistan.

And with all due respect, you do also have some distant Turkmen ancestry. You don't really represent the 100% pure Kurds.

And like I said, and I do agree with you, most Central Asian DNA in Kurdistan is from the Scythians

[Zoro]

Just ask the Azerbaijani folks, they know everything about it. In Iran live also much, much more Turkmen and other Turkic speaking people than in Kurdistan.

And with all due respect, you do also have some distant Turkmen ancestry. You don't really represent the 100% pure Kurds.

And like I said, and I do agree with you, most Central Asian DNA in Kurdistan is from the Scythians

Btw I agree with you about Saka and north Indians. I thought I saw the Zoroastrians and a couple of other Iranians with less or similar east Asian than you

I will post some of the 23andme and Gedmatch for some of the 100% Kurdish kits later One of them btw is a V5 kit . On 23andme I have seen many Iranian DNA matches for the Kurdish kits And they show 0% east Asian Where is some shell 1% but I guess that’s pretty high for 23andme

[MS85]

Btw I agree with you about Saka and north Indians. I thought I saw the Zoroastrians and a couple of other Iranians with less or similar east Asian than youAnd it might be possible that the ancient Zoroastrians had less East Asian than me. We are both Kurds and like you, I do have also a lot ancient Saka/Scythian ancestry, since some Saka settled in Kurdish mountains. Plus, I think all Kurds have some post-Saka Turkic DNA in them. But not that much. It is also possible that ancient Zoroastrians had much less Saka ancestry.


On 23andMe I don't have any East Asian either:

https://i.postimg.cc/bv1TJPsW/23andme.jpg

[Zoro]

And it might be possible that the ancient Zoroastrians had less East Asian than me. We are both Kurds and like you, I do have also a lot ancient Saka/Scythian ancestry, since some Saka settled in Kurdish mountains. Plus, I think all Kurds have some post-Saka Turkic DNA in them. But not that much. It is also possible that ancient Zoroastrians had much less Saka ancestry.

On 23andMe I don't have any East Asian either:

https://i.postimg.cc/bv1TJPsW/23andme.jpg

Yeah so clearly 23andme doesn’t show any E Asian older than 300 years that’s why heavily E Eurasian Indians also show 0 SE oe E Asian on 23andme

Btw you still have 0.2% E Asian on 23andme. Hey that’s still higher than the 0% Iranian matches I’ve seen there

[SharpFork]

Caspian region (mazandarani and gilak) also has more south asian admixture. The south-west has more arabian markers (red-sea, southwestasian, SSA)
Northwest is around 8% East Eurasian.
As much South Asian admixture as the East? It seems weird if that's the case.

What about the Caucasus, non-EE Steppe or Med influence? Some of those might have been obscured by the Turkic migration influencing a lot of Iran but I wonder what the pattern were before then, how Caucasian was the pre-Turkic Azeri region etc., or Mediterranean influence in some places.

[SharpFork]

No dude I’m right. You have no idea what I’m talking about. I’m not talking about the recent E. Asian within the last300 years like 23andme. I’m talking about the older E Asian in the Iron Age and the recent.

Where do you think the mongoloid looking Kurds Iranians or other W Asians get their looks from. If you think they get it from the 5 % more recent E Asian that will be hilarious . They get it from the 15 or 20% old E. Asian. All someone has to do is make a k3 calculator with SSA, ENF, and E. Asian components and all that hidden E Asian will come pouring out trust me :D
If anything I'd argue a 5% recent influence is a better explanation, because if it's older there can be selection or just bottleneck effects or a plethora of things changing phenotype.

Despite being polygenic a 5% influence can very well translate into the East Asian appearance of some people, not sure why that's unlikely for you. In any case 15-20% is ridiculously high, it reaches level of genetic replacement necessary from Central Asian Turks that would make hard to explain a lot of things going on in Turkey or Azerbaijan IMO.

[MS85]

Yeah so clearly 23andme doesn’t show any E Asian older than 300 years that’s why heavily E Eurasian Indians also show 0 SE oe E Asian on 23andme

Btw you still have 0.2% E Asian on 23andme. Hey that’s still higher than the 0% Iranian matches I’ve seen thereJust stop trying to 'Kurdify' every Mongoloid DNA in Kurdistan. If you have some doesn't mean that other Kurds must have also some, since you found out that you had some Turkmen ancestors in the past. Just accept you have some and move on. And do not make the same mistakes as your ancestors did and stop mixing with the Turks/Turkmen or Semites/Arabs.

I have got maybe 1-2% Mongoloid real Turkic DNA in me. But as an Ezdi Kurd I belong to a Kurdish minority. I think that on average (of 50 million) Kurds have maybe for about 3-4% Mongoloid real Turkic DNA and it is not Kurdish because it is not native to Kurdistan and it is from the Altai/Central Asia.


But I do agree with you that some is very ancient and is related to the ancient Saka/Scythian people who came to the Median Empire 2500 years ago. Nevertheless, not very much.

[Zoro]

If anything I'd argue a 5% recent influence is a better explanation, because if it's older there can be selection or just bottleneck effects or a plethora of things changing phenotype.

Despite being polygenic a 5% influence can very well translate into the East Asian appearance of some people, not sure why that's unlikely for you. In any case 15-20% is ridiculously high, it reaches level of genetic replacement necessary from Central Asian Turks that would make hard to explain a lot of things going on in Turkey or Azerbaijan IMO.


I seriously don’t think 5% is enough to give such marked mongoloid phenotype. Here’s why. First, we have all seen 50% E Asian/ 50% European kids and many of those kids even though 1 parent is E Asian, they barely look E Asian and certainly less E Asian than some of the Kurds Iranians and some Caucasians. So I’ll never be convinced 5% is enough case closed.

Second, remember the many Indian looking S Iraqis like the ones I posted on the previous page we can both agree there wasn’t alot of admixture between them and Indians recently otherwise admixture calculators would pick it up. I think that’s old shared some sore of Mesopotamian or some Neolithic farmer between the 2.

With regards to population replacement who said all the E Asian in W Asians was a 1 time event. It’s actually due to multiple waves from the east starting around the Iron Age with Saka and then various Turkic .

I think you gave me an incentive to learn admixture software to build a k3 SSA, ENF, E Asian calculator. Let the chips fall where they may :)

Remember that a 20 ft ladder isn’t needed to climb a 20ft wall. 3 six ft ladders can also do the trick ( 3 vs 1 admixture waves) haha

[MS85]

I seriously don’t think 5% is enough to give such marked mongoloid phenotype.Just stop here. There are millions of native Africans with the Mongoloid phenotype.

https://i.postimg.cc/W4k5XLpn/naamloos.png



Mongoloid phenotype CAN come out, even if you have got only 1 percentage of it!

[Leto]

I seriously don’t think 5% is enough to give such marked mongoloid phenotype. Here’s why. First, we have all seen 50% E Asian/ 50% European kids and many of those kids even though 1 parent is E Asian, they barely look E Asian and certainly less E Asian than some of the Kurds Iranians and some Caucasians. So I’ll never be convinced 5% is enough case closed.
In Eastern Europe there is plenty of mongoloid-ish looking people and they're barely 10% East Asian/Siberian - hell, in some cases barely 5%. Have you not seen the two Tatar females and their DNA results that I posted? They are less than 20% mongoloid on GEDmatch (Siberian, East Asian, all that stuff) but nevertheless look very Asiatic.
Pheotypic expressions of genes are often very random.
Also it depends on where you grew up. To someone who has lived their entire life somewhere in deep France or Spain certain Eastern European faces may look "mongoloid" even though they would be far from Chinese racially and genetically and wouldn't be perceived as such in Asia. The same goes for black people by the way. Barack Obama may look black in America but in Kenya he would look clearly foreign.

[Leto]

These TV show stars look extremely mongoloid and the kids are only 25% Korean! (75% white European)
https://i0.heartyhosting.com/radaronline.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/kate-gosselin-refused-cooperate-son-collin-treatment-pp.jpg?resize=792%2C446&ssl=1
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/08/24/01/4F58B05700000578-0-image-a-24_1535071581907.jpg
https://pmchollywoodlife.files.wordpress.com/2018/12/jon-gosselin-only-speaks-to-kids-colin-hannah-ftr.jpg?w=620

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kate_Plus_8

She is a white American, presumably 100% European

Katie Irene Kreider, who is of German, Scottish, and English descent, was born in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania to Charlene (née Kolak) and Kenton Kreider, a pastor.
He is biracial, 50% Korean, 50% white American

Jonathan Keith Gosselin was born and raised in Wyomissing, Pennsylvania as the middle child in a family of three children. He has two brothers, Thomas and Mark.[2] Gosselin's mother, Pamela Castello (née Lyum),[3] was born and raised in Hawaii as a second-generation Korean American and his father, Thomas Gosselin (a pediatric dentist), was of French, Irish, and Welsh descent. Gosselin's father died on January 13, 2005.[4][5][6] Jon graduated from Wyomissing High School in 1995.[7]

[Zoro]

Just stop here. There are millions of native Africans with the Mongoloid phenotype.

https://i.postimg.cc/W4k5XLpn/naamloos.png



Mongoloid phenotype CAN come out, even if you have got only 1 percentage of it!


That’s true but I don’t think W Asians got the phenotype from African pygmies it’s much more likely they got it from e Asians

[Zoro]

In Eastern Europe there is plenty of mongoloid-ish looking people and they're barely 10% East Asian/Siberian - hell, in some cases barely 5%. Have you not seen the two Tatar females and their DNA results that I posted? They are less than 20% mongoloid on GEDmatch (Siberian, East Asian, all that stuff) but nevertheless look very Asiatic.
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That’s exactly my point those damn calculators don’t measure total E Asian because There is a lot of East Asia hidden in other components

For example if a calculator showed me as 90% Turk and 1 % E Asian. Do you seriously think I would be only 1 % E Asian. Wouldn’t the Smart thing would be to ask yourself well how many percent east Asian the Turkish references are ??

The only way you’re going to get a reliable total east Asian percentage is with a K3 calculator with SSA ENF and E Asian components. That’s it

[Leto]

That’s exactly my point those damn calculators don’t measure total E Asian because There is a lot of East Asia hidden in other components

For example if a calculator showed me as 90% Turk and 1 % E Asian. Do you seriously think I would be only 1 % E Asian. Wouldn’t the Smart thing would be to ask yourself well how many percent east Asian the Turkish references are ??

The only way you’re going to get a reliable total east Asian percentage is with a K3 calculator with SSA ENF and E Asian components. That’s it
No, I disagree with you 'cause you think we're all somehow super mongoloid but no DNA test is able to show it. That's crap, on a continental level those calcs tend to be quite accurate.

[Zoro]

No, I disagree with you 'cause you think we're all somehow super mongoloid but no DNA test is able to show it. That's crap, on a continental level those calcs tend to be quite accurate.

Your substance less response to my post just told me that you are 100% clueless with this type of stuff. I’m not wasting any more time with you.

[MS85]

That’s true but I don’t think W Asians got the phenotype from African pygmies it’s much more likely they got it from e AsiansHow much E. Asiatic DNA do Kurds have according to you?

[Zoro]

How much E. Asiatic DNA do Kurds have according to you?

Dunno exactly that’s why I was hoping someone would make a k3 calculator with SSA ENF and E Asian but I guess I have to learn Admixture program if no one builds it. It should be more than Eurasia k3 calculator because that one uses Caucasian and European w Eurasian references and those references have some old E Eurasian

[MS85]

Dunno exactly that’s why I was hoping someone would make a k3 calculator with SSA ENF and E Asian but I guess I have to learn Admixture program if no one builds it. It should be more than Eurasia k3 calculator because that one uses Caucasian and European w Eurasian references and those references have some old E EurasianK3 is not accurate.

I know that you have got your ideas from here: https://eurasiandna.com/impact-of-the-iron-age-saka-and-scythians-on-south-west-asian-demography/

And if we believe that guy, Kurds can be modeled as this.

https://i.postimg.cc/NFt3xB3h/A66-D2-DA0-71-A6-40-DC-A07-B-3-D3-DE77-DD21-E.png
https://i.postimg.cc/Y9znMgsV/4-B4-EA232-1-DDD-493-F-B274-4-C550-BF4499-B.jpg

But, then again, my question will be how much Eastern Asian Mongoloid DNA did proto-Turkic people have? If proto-Tukic XiongNu were 100% Mongoloid, then average of Kurds can be modelled around 17% East Eurasian.

[MS85]

But this model only works if there were absolutely no other migrations into Kurdistan than the proto-Turkic one. But that doesn't make any sense at all. Since there was no proto-Turkic migration into Kurdistan at the first place. And the Oghuz Turks and Seljuks were not proto-Turkic.

Nevertheless, no matter what, Kurds are still at least for about 85% native to Kurdistan. We are West Asian people and our DNA is West Asian/Eurasian in nature.

[Zoro]

K3 is not accurate.

I know that you have got your ideas from here: https://eurasiandna.com/impact-of-the-iron-age-saka-and-scythians-on-south-west-asian-demography/

And if we believe that guy, Kurds can be modeled as this.

https://i.postimg.cc/NFt3xB3h/A66-D2-DA0-71-A6-40-DC-A07-B-3-D3-DE77-DD21-E.png
https://i.postimg.cc/Y9znMgsV/4-B4-EA232-1-DDD-493-F-B274-4-C550-BF4499-B.jpg

But, then again, my question will be how much Eastern Asian Mongoloid DNA did proto-Turkic people have? If proto-Tukic XiongNu were 100% Mongoloid, then average of Kurds can be modelled around 17% East Eurasian.

That’s a good question.I don’t think they were 100% mongoloid so i guess it has to be less than 17% E Eurasian. Btw i like his other model with saka better

[MS85]

That’s a good question.I don’t think they were 100% mongoloid so i guess it has to be less than 17% E Eurasian. Btw i like his other model with saka betterAccording to him, some E Eurasian came from Saka and some came from Turkic people. But somehow he never combined these 2 models. I'm sure that those proto-Turkic tribes had also EHG + Neo_Iran auDNA

https://i.postimg.cc/Dwt4yNVJ/377-CA70-B-CA59-460-E-9-C45-AD0669885-DAE.png
https://i.postimg.cc/C5sxCFxX/CAE51-E6-C-9-D8-A-47-CD-8-F39-009-D52-C28-B50.jpg


And this models are very limited, since Haji-Firuz-Chl also mixed with the Copper Age Armenians. Kurds have a lot Copper Age Armenian auDNA since the Iron Age.

None of this calculators are accurate and useful since he didn't use Copper Age Armenian auDNA here.

[MS85]

I think the best model for Kurds should be Copper Age Iranians (Haji-Firuz-Chl) + Copper Age Armenians + some Saka/Scythians + some Turkic (Seljuks) + some Semitic (Chaldean, Assyrian, Arabic).

Overall with Saka and Turkic, the Eastern Eurasian/Mongoloid auDNA may not even exceed the 10% line. With other words: Kurds are still overwhelming West Asian people and our culture and language are native to Kurdistan.

[Zoro]

I think the best model for Kurds should be Copper Age Iranians (Haji-Firuz-Chl) + Copper Age Armenians + some Saka/Scythians + some Turkic (Seljuks) + some Semitic (Chaldean, Assyrian, Arabic).

Overall with Saka and Turkic, the Eastern Eurasian/Mongoloid auDNA may not even exceed the 10% line. With other words: Kurds are still overwhelming West Asian people and our culture and language are native to Kurdistan.

Sounds reasonable. We probably got most of our EHG, E Eurasian, and R1a from the east

[Babak]

Iran, Iranians or Persians have much more 'Mongoloid' DNA than Kurds/Kurdistan. Turco-Persian history has been recorded.

But I do agree with the rest that Kurds don't have much of E.Eurasian auDNA. Most in Kurds is from the Scythians..

Persians have as much mongoloid dna as Kurds. The only Iranic group that possesses the most mongoloid dna are Tajiks

Anyway, Persians and Kurds score nearly the same on all genetic results and cluster together on most PCA plots.

[Babak]

Like I said, Tajiks were originally PERSIANS from Iran and later migrated into Central Asia and mixed with the local Turco-Mongoloid people full of R1a.

Indic and Eastern Iranian tribes got their steppes from the native Turco-Mongoloid people int he Steppes and Scythians.

Sintashta had NOTHING to do with the Iranic people. There is nothing Iranic about Sintashta. Sintashta were just were bunch of monkeys who were later assimilated by Turco-Mongoloid people and then they disappeared forever.

Tajiks DONT CLUSTER with Persians from Iran on any PCA plots, nor do they score the same on any autosomal results. What part of dont cluster dont you fucking understand?

[MS85]

Tajiks dont cluster with Persians from Iran on any PCA plots, nor do they score the same on any autosomal results. What part of dont cluster dont you fucking understand?Tajiks are mixed with other people in Central Asian. But their Farsi language is from Iran. What part don't you understand?

[Babak]

Tajiks are mixed with other people in Central Asian. But their Farsi language is from Iran. What part don't you understand?

Just because they speak the same language, it doesn't mean they are the same people. They are not geentically the same and are pretty different from Iranians as a whole. Tajiks assimilated themselves when they established the Samanid empire and made Persian as the official language.

[MS85]

Persians have as much mongoloid dna as Kurds. The only Iranic group that possesses the most mongoloid dna are Tajiks

Anyway, Persians and Kurds score nearly the same on all genetic results and cluster together on most PCA plots.Well, I don't know about the Persians, haven't seen 'pure' Persian DNA yet, but an average Iranian (Persian, Caspian Iranians (Gilakis, Mazandaranis, Tats, Talysh), Azeri & Turkmen have more Mongoloid auDNA than Kurds. I have compared my DNA with Azeri folks here and all of them score more Eastern Eurasian. And I'm sure many Persians are mixed with people like Azeri etc.


Persians and Kurds don't cluster together, but very, very close to each other. We are not the 'same' people. Persians are Southwest Iranian and Kurds are Northwest Iranian. Nevertheless Persians are the closest people to the Kurds.

[Zoro]

Tajiks DONT CLUSTER with Persians from Iran on any PCA plots, nor do they score the same on any autosomal results. What part of dont cluster dont you fucking understand?

Tajiks are pretty varied. I would like to see some Herati Tajik kits since they are so close to the Iranian border and Khorasan where about 2 million kurds live. Haven’t seen any kits yet though or for that matter for Khorasani kurds or Persians. I noticed there were some Kurds on FB even in Birjand with a search for “kord birjand”

[Babak]

Tajiks are pretty varied. I would like to see some Herati Tajik kits since they are so close to the Iranian border and Khorasan where about 2 million kurds live. Haven’t seen any kits yet though or for that matter for Khorasani kurds or Persians

Heratis will be closer to Khorasanis and eastern Iranians in general, but Tajiks from Tajikistan are not.

[MS85]

Just because they speak the same language, it doesn't mean they are the same people. They are not geentically the same and are pretty different from Iranians as a whole. Tajiks assimilated themselves when they established the Samanid empire and made Persian as the official language.You don't understand the concept of being mixed and the 'deep roots' or origin.

Tajiks don't cluster because they are mixed with Pashtuns, Uzbeks/Kyrgyzs, Tatars, Russians and GOD knows who else. That's why they cluster in Central Asia. But the deep roots and the origin of Tajiks/Tajik language is in Persia.


History. Early New Persian (pārsi-e dari), a continuation of spoken Middle Persian, spread to Central Asia during the 8th century CE as the language of Iranian converts to Islam who were attached to the invading Arab armies. The Samanid rulers of Bukhara (9th-10th centuries) patronized it as the literary language, in which form it soon spread throughout Iran. In the region of Samarqand it displaced Sogdian, the indigenous Iranian language, whose descendant (Yaghnobi) still survives in the mountains of western Tajikistan. As a written language, Persian of Central Asia was hardly distinguishable from Classical Persian of Iran, Afghanistan, and India up until the early 20th century. From Timurid times (15th century), Indo-Persian was modeled on the writing of Central Asia; this influence can still be seen in some vocabulary common to Tajik and Indo-Persian/Urdu, which is not usual in Persian of Iran. Invasions and settlement of Turkic peoples in the Oxus basin and its foothills during the past one thousand years (most recently, the Uzbeks) interrupted the dialect continuum. Spoken Persian of Central Asia evolved independently of Persian of Iran, and northern dialects in particular were strongly influenced by Turkic speech. Persian speakers of the region came to be called Tajiks, in contradistinction to Turks, but their language was still called fārsi ‘Persian’ until the Soviet period.

http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/tajik-ii-tajiki-persian

[Babak]

Well, I don't know about the Persians, haven't seen 'pure' Persian DNA yet, but an average Iranian (Persian, Caspian Iranians (Gilakis, Mazandaranis, Tats, Talysh), Azeri & Turkmen have more Mongoloid auDNA than Kurds. I have compared my DNA with Azeri folks here and all of them score more Eastern Eurasian. And I'm sure many Persians are mixed with people like Azeri etc.


Persians and Kurds don't cluster together, but very, very close to each other. We are not the 'same' people. Persians are Southwest Iranian and Kurds are Northwest Iranian. Nevertheless Persians are the closest people to the Kurds.

Lol bro, you keep on trying to to isolate Kurds as if they are some untouched ethnic group, when in reality, on all autosomal results and pca plots, they don't score much different from any Iranic group. They aren't anything special.

[MS85]

They aren't anything special.We are very special because we are the 'purest' West Iranic ethnic group.

Once again, don't know much about the 'Persian' DNA, but even the Caspian Iranians (Gilakis, Mazandaranis, Tats, Talysh) are influenced by Turkic people.


You made me now very curious about the pure 'Persian' DNA.

[Thambi]

West Asian runs on G25. Persians get more mongoloid than kurds actually. Iranian persian average gets 3% mongola. West asians in general have virtually no AASI, except for bandaris at 7.5%. so there's no direct gene flow from south asians at any point to majority of iran. I think most of the south asian that shows up in iranians is from the iran neolithic/BMAC.. Uzbeks surprisingly have the most AASI in the west/central asian region, outside the pashtuns/balochis obviously.

Mongoloid is highest among Tajiks as you guys mentioned at around 8%. Turks can reach around 15% mongoloid on average in Aydin.

https://i.imgur.com/XD9rFMX.png

[MS85]

Sounds reasonable. We probably got most of our EHG, E Eurasian, and R1a from the eastEHG was already present with high degree in the Copper Age Armenians. Some R1a, like mine R1a*, is native to Kurdistan. But I'm sure that Scythians brought a lot of their own specific R1a into Kurdistan, or Parthians who assimilated many Saka.

[Babak]

West Asian runs on G25. Persians get more mongoloid than kurds actually. Iranian persian average gets 3% mongola. West asians in general have virtually no AASI, except for bandaris at 7.5%. so there's no direct gene flow from south asians at any point to majority of iran. I think most of the south asian that shows up in iranians is from the iran neolithic/BMAC.. Uzbeks surprisingly have the most AASI in the west/central asian region, outside the pashtuns/balochis obviously.

Mongoloid is highest among Tajiks as you guys mentioned at around 8%. Turks can reach around 15% mongoloid on average in Aydin.

https://i.imgur.com/XD9rFMX.png

Is that Iranian kurdish?

[Zoro]

West Asian runs on G25. Persians get more mongoloid than kurds actually. Iranian persian average gets 3% mongola. West asians in general have virtually no AASI, except for bandaris at 7.5%. so there's no direct gene flow from south asians at any point to majority of iran. I think most of the south asian that shows up in iranians is from the iran neolithic/BMAC.. Uzbeks surprisingly have the most AASI in the west/central asian region, outside the pashtuns/balochis obviously.

Mongoloid is highest among Tajiks as you guys mentioned at around 8%. Turks can reach around 15% mongoloid on average in Aydin.

https://i.imgur.com/XD9rFMX.png

Sorry but you just proved to me that G25 is a total joke to put it mildly. These E Eurasian results for Persians and Kurds are not consistent with qpAdm or Admixture. And look at Azeris scoring so different than kurds, persians, and even higher than pashtuns

Figures with the likes of Davidski and DMXX connected to it . :picard1:

I wouldn’t be surprised if DMXX and Davidski are the same person

[MS85]

Persians get more mongoloid than kurds actually.I know history, because I actually did study some ancient history on academic level.

Actual testing is much more important than feelings, because feelings can be misguide and the one can be cheated by the feelings. But my feeling is saying that Persians have more of the so called 'Mongroloid' auDNA because Persians have a lot history/interaction with Turkic speaking people, while Kurds in their Zagros Mountains have almost no history with Turkic people at all. Our mountains are actually the best genetic barrier, because we, as tribalic people, don't really mix with other races deep in our mountains. Mixing takes mostly place in the centers and core areas (big towns). Kurdish mountains have been peripheral since the collapse of the Median Empire.

[Babak]

Sorry but you just proved to me that G25 is a total joke to put it mildly. These E Eurasian results for Persians and Kurds are not consistent with qpAdm or Admixture. Figures with the likes of Davidski and DMXX connected to it . :picard1:

Lol I was about to say this.

[MS85]

Sorry but you just proved to me that G25 is a total joke to put it mildly.

I wouldn’t be surprised if DMXX and Davidski are the same personSuch models are fun, but are not really generalizable on everybody. Different ethnic groups have different roots mixed with different people and have different admixture.
Such models are not generalizable because migration/mixing trajectories for every ethnic groups are different. Every group needs own model that can fit into their history.


By the way, those 2 people you mentioned are ignorant morons big time without any knowledge or sense for history.

[Zoro]

Such models are fun, but are not really generalizable on everybody. Different ethnic groups have different roots mixed with different people and have different admixture.
Such models are not generalizable because migration/mixing trajectories for every ethnic groups are different. Every group needs own model that can feet into their history.


By the way, those 2 people you mentioned are ignorant morons big time without any knowledge or sense for history.

Do we even know If these clowns are 2 people or just one. The other weird thing is I googled Davidski and there’s nothing on his background or even his picture. Also he’s always busy with his blog. How can he even have time for work or maybe he lives with his parents lol

[Thambi]

Sorry but you just proved to me that G25 is a total joke to put it mildly. These E Eurasian results for Persians and Kurds are not consistent with qpAdm or Admixture. And look at Azeris scoring so different than kurds, persians, and even higher than pashtuns

Figures with the likes of Davidski and DMXX connected to it . :picard1:

I wouldn’t be surprised if DMXX and Davidski are the same person

wait how are they inconsistent? Azeris are turkic and they generally do get more mongoloid than persians and pashtuns. why is that surprising? and pashtuns in general dont get much mongoloid. They're pretty much like their punjabi neighbors with extra mongoloid/Iran_N and lower AASI.

[Zoro]

wait how are they inconsistent? Azeris are turkic and they generally do get more mongoloid than persians and pashtuns. why is that surprising? and pashtuns in general dont get much mongoloid. They're pretty much like their punjabi neighbors with extra mongoloid/Iran_N and lower AASI.

What I meant is neither qpAdm or Admixture shows kurds, Mazendaranis, pashtuns, or punjabis with 0% E Asian. Also there is no way Punjabis are AASI only with no E Asian and Pashtuns only 3% E Asian. That’s total bullshit. I can go on and on but it would be a waste of time.

[MS85]

Do we even know If these clowns are 2 people or just one. The other weird thing is I googled Davidski and there’s nothing on his background or even his picture. Also he’s always busy with his blog. How can he even have time for work or maybe he lives with his parents lolOne is a Polish retard and a very confused wannabe Aryan fella, the other is most likely an Assyrian who hates Kurds.

[MS85]

What I meant is neither qpAdm or Admixture shows kurds, Mazendaranis, pashtuns, or punjabis with 0% E Asian. Also there is no way Punjabis are AASI only with no E Asian and Pashtuns only 3% E Asian. That’s total bullshit. I can go on and on but it would be a waste of time.I do agree with you. Also, the source populations are very weird, don't make sense at all and don't correlate with the actual history of the outcoming groups.

[Zoro]

One is Polish and a very confused wannabe Aryan fella, other is most likely an Assyrian who hates Kurds.

I thought he was Polish too named David Wesolowski but I googled that name and got nothing. You would expect some background if he was half a some body. I also googled the other one dmxx and just got rappers :cool:

[Thambi]

I do agree with you. Also, the source populations are very weird, don't make sense at all and don't correlate with the actual history of the outcoming groups.

can you recommend the groups? I'm not very strong on the ancient populations
here's the webrunner. It takes a min to load and all.
185.144.156.77:3000/

custom calculators
185.144.156.77:3000/custom_calculators.html

[MS85]

I thought he was Polish too named David Wesolowski but I googled that name and got nothing. You would expect some background if he was half a some body. I also googled the other one dmxx and just got rappers :cool:With other words, just a bunch of ignorant amateurs.

DMX is a well known American rapper.

[MS85]

can you recommend the groups? I'm not very strong on the ancient populations
here's the webrunner. It takes a min to load and all.
185.144.156.77:3000/

custom calculators
185.144.156.77:3000/custom_calculators.htmlHonestly it depends which ethnic groups do you want to test. Because every ethnic group is different and different models are required.

But the idea is great. Let me think about it!

[MS85]

double post

[SharpFork]

I seriously don’t think 5% is enough to give such marked mongoloid phenotype. Here’s why. First, we have all seen 50% E Asian/ 50% European kids and many of those kids even though 1 parent is E Asian, they barely look E Asian and certainly less E Asian than some of the Kurds Iranians and some Caucasians.
Of course if you mix a European and an Asian you are not going to have the gene pairs that lead to distinct eastern traits, but if you mix 2 people from a pool people with 5% EE ancestry you are going to some Eastern looking people.


So I’ll never be convinced 5% is enough case closed.
Who cares what you think, you didn't make a solid case anyway, you are literally denying real and valid genetic results and advocating for ones with ridiculous low number of cluster



Second, remember the many Indian looking S Iraqis like the ones I posted on the previous page we can both agree there wasn’t alot of admixture between them and Indians recently otherwise admixture calculators would pick it up. I think that’s old shared some sore of Mesopotamian or some Neolithic farmer between the 2.
Them looking alike is really questionable, it might be down to Iranian Neolithic ancestry anyway.



With regards to population replacement who said all the E Asian in W Asians was a 1 time event. It’s actually due to multiple waves from the east starting around the Iron Age with Saka and then various Turkic .
Sakas were not that Eastern Eurasian and again, for any % point of Eastern Eurasian there would be many more of non-EE Steppe ancestry, which would be far more evident than it is in reality.



I think you gave me an incentive to learn admixture software to build a k3 SSA, ENF, E Asian calculator. Let the chips fall where they may :)
3 clusters is too low, add at least ASI.

[SharpFork]

West Asian runs on G25. Persians get more mongoloid than kurds actually. Iranian persian average gets 3% mongola. West asians in general have virtually no AASI, except for bandaris at 7.5%. so there's no direct gene flow from south asians at any point to majority of iran. I think most of the south asian that shows up in iranians is from the iran neolithic/BMAC.. Uzbeks surprisingly have the most AASI in the west/central asian region, outside the pashtuns/balochis obviously.

Mongoloid is highest among Tajiks as you guys mentioned at around 8%. Turks can reach around 15% mongoloid on average in Aydin.

https://i.imgur.com/XD9rFMX.png
What about stuff like the Mauryan conquests, spread of Buddhism, Gypsy migration? Did those bring no relevant amount of Indians around Iran and Central Asia, outside the direct reach of the Indian empires in Afghanistan?

[lameduck]

Heratis will be closer to Khorasanis and eastern Iranians in general, but Tajiks from Tajikistan are not.

Tajiks are basically Pashtun-Mongoloid hybrids, Tajiks have good deal of diversity and google images whitewash tajiks by showing lightest pamiris , most Tajiks I have seen in Europe look like mexicans.

[Babak]

Tajiks are basically Pashtun-Mongoloid hybrids, Tajiks have good deal of diversity and google images whitewash tajiks by showing lightest pamiris , most Tajiks I have seen in Europe look like mexicans.

Yea, i noticed the same thing lol

[lameduck]

What about stuff like the Mauryan conquests, spread of Buddhism, Gypsy migration? Did those bring no relevant amount of Indians around Iran and Central Asia, outside the direct reach of the Indian empires in Afghanistan?

Histroical Infleuce of Indian world on Iranian world was mainly limited to South Central Asia , basically modern day West Pakistan and East Afghanistan.

[MS85]

Tajiks are basically Pashtun-Mongoloid hybrids, Tajiks have good deal of diversity and google images whitewash tajiks by showing lightest pamiris , most Tajiks I have seen in Europe look like mexicans.You might have seen Uzbeks from Tajikistan or Afghanistan. Or families mixed with the Uzbeks. The 'purest' Tajiks are still close to Kurds and Persians.

[Leto]

Tajiks are basically Pashtun-Mongoloid hybrids, Tajiks have good deal of diversity and google images whitewash tajiks by showing lightest pamiris , most Tajiks I have seen in Europe look like mexicans.
That's true, in Russia Tajiks (a few million guest workers) are probably the darkest group I've seen (blacks and South Asians are still uncommon in most places). They also show Mongoloid influence which is no surprise (many Uzbeks were recorded as Tajiks in Soviet times and switched to Persian).
However occasionally light Aryan types do occur. Like this one (I found him once on social media)

https://i.ibb.co/6F4N037/Badr-Boyev-2.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/mqVkXxX/Badr-Boyev.jpg

[Leto]

Iran, Iranians or Persians have much more 'Mongoloid' DNA than Kurds/Kurdistan. Turco-Persian history has been recorded.

But I do agree with the rest that Kurds don't have much of E.Eurasian auDNA. Most in Kurds is from the Scythians..
No way. Turkish Kurds are surely more 'mongoloid' than Persians somewhere in Fars.
Hadouken/Magnetic is a Zaza Kurd from Dersim, Turkey. Are the Zaza people Kurdish to you?

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 36.06
2 East_Med 30.76
3 West_Med 8.27
4 South_Asian 6.84
5 Red_Sea 6.06
6 North_Atlantic 4.67
7 Baltic 2.74
8 Sub-Saharan 1.29
9 Siberian 1.29
10 East_Asian 1.21
11 Amerindian 0.82

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Azeri 4.05
2 Kurdish 4.87
3 Iranian 6.25
4 Armenian 7.54
5 Turkish 7.58
6 Georgian_Jewish 7.94
7 Assyrian 9.88
8 Iranian_Jewish 12.29
9 Kurdish_Jewish 12.78
10 Kumyk 15.67
11 Lebanese_Muslim 15.98
12 Turkmen 17.02
13 Georgian 17.02
14 Syrian 17.03
15 Adygei 18.28
16 Abhkasian 18.51
17 Balkar 19.44
18 Ossetian 19.85
19 Cyprian 20.27
20 Kabardin 20.71

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 86.2% Kurdish + 13.8% Algerian_Jewish @ 1.94
2 85.3% Kurdish + 14.7% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.02
3 85.6% Kurdish + 14.4% Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.09
4 86.4% Kurdish + 13.6% Italian_Jewish @ 2.13
5 67.9% Azeri + 32.1% Armenian @ 2.19
6 86% Kurdish + 14% Libyan_Jewish @ 2.22
7 89.8% Kurdish + 10.2% Tunisian @ 2.26
8 82.4% Kurdish + 17.6% Cyprian @ 2.3
9 90.2% Kurdish + 9.8% Algerian @ 2.4
10 85.7% Kurdish + 14.3% South_Italian @ 2.42
11 90.5% Kurdish + 9.5% Mozabite_Berber @ 2.43
12 63.1% Kurdish + 36.9% Turkish @ 2.47
13 86.6% Kurdish + 13.4% Ashkenazi @ 2.48
14 79% Kurdish + 21% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.48
15 70.4% Azeri + 29.6% Georgian_Jewish @ 2.53
16 80.3% Kurdish + 19.7% Syrian @ 2.58
17 90.8% Kurdish + 9.2% Moroccan @ 2.64
18 86.3% Kurdish + 13.7% East_Sicilian @ 2.64
19 88% Kurdish + 12% West_Sicilian @ 2.66
20 55.7% Iranian + 44.3% Turkish @ 2.75

[Arhat]

You might have seen Uzbeks from Tajikistan or Afghanistan. Or families mixed with the Uzbeks. The 'purest' Tajiks are still close to Kurds and Persians.

The only "Tajiks" lacking recent mongolid admixture are either Pamiri or Afghan Tajiks which are both not Tajiks in the strict sense. Pamiri orginally spoke East Iranic languages closer related to Pashto and Ossetian than to Persian or Kurdish and Afghan Tajiks are often just recently persianized Pashtuns especially the ones Living in eastern Afghanistan

[Leto]

The only "Tajiks" lacking recent mongolid admixture are either Pamiri or Afghan Tajiks which are both not Tajiks in the strict sense. Pamiri orginally spoke East Iranic languages closer related to Pashto and Ossetian than to Persian or Kurdish and Afghan Tajiks are often just recently persianized Pashtuns especially the ones Living in eastern Afghanistan
Do you know where exactly the Aryan Afghan I posted is from?
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?236279-Aryan-Afghan-GEDmatch-Results
I think Rukha/Registan listed his background on Anthrogenica but I can't find it.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 39.98
2 South_Asian 21.16
3 Baltic 13.86
4 North_Atlantic 10.37
5 East_Med 5.67
6 Siberian 3.87
7 Amerindian 1.39
8 Northeast_African 1.07
9 Oceanian 0.81
10 East_Asian 0.72
11 Red_Sea 0.62
12 West_Med 0.48

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Afghan_Pashtun 5.65
2 Tadjik 9.12
3 Afghan_Tadjik 13.54
4 Kalash 14.34
5 Tabassaran 16.51
6 Pathan 17.67
7 Burusho 17.73
8 Chechen 18.42
9 Balochi 18.42
10 Lezgin 18.48
11 Makrani 18.56
12 Brahui 19.7
13 Kumyk 20.01
14 Kabardin 20.05
15 Turkmen 20.1
16 Punjabi_Jat 21.06
17 Adygei 21.51
18 Balkar 21.51
19 North_Ossetian 21.71
20 Ossetian 22.06

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 73% Brahui + 27% Finnish @ 3.34
2 91.3% Afghan_Pashtun + 8.7% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.5
3 73% Brahui + 27% East_Finnish @ 3.51
4 92.4% Afghan_Pashtun + 7.6% Lithuanian @ 3.55
5 91.5% Afghan_Pashtun + 8.5% Erzya @ 3.56
6 92.4% Afghan_Pashtun + 7.6% Estonian @ 3.57
7 91.8% Afghan_Pashtun + 8.2% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.59
8 91.5% Afghan_Pashtun + 8.5% Southwest_Russian @ 3.59
9 92.3% Afghan_Pashtun + 7.7% Finnish @ 3.6
10 91.7% Afghan_Pashtun + 8.3% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.6
11 91.8% Afghan_Pashtun + 8.2% Polish @ 3.61
12 92.2% Afghan_Pashtun + 7.8% Belorussian @ 3.64
13 92.1% Afghan_Pashtun + 7.9% Estonian_Polish @ 3.66
14 92.4% Afghan_Pashtun + 7.6% East_Finnish @ 3.67
15 91.4% Afghan_Pashtun + 8.6% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.68
16 91.6% Afghan_Pashtun + 8.4% South_Polish @ 3.68
17 91.6% Afghan_Pashtun + 8.4% Ukrainian @ 3.7
18 92.4% Afghan_Pashtun + 7.6% Southwest_Finnish @ 3.7
19 67.6% Balochi + 32.4% Tatar @ 3.72
20 79.2% Afghan_Pashtun + 20.8% Tabassaran @ 3.76

Northeastern-shifted. He would be probably around 40% Sintashta on G25 if Mingle is ~30% and Rukha is ~35%.

"sample": "Pashtun:Average",
"fit": 1.3092,
"IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 54.17,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 27.5,
"Simulated_AASI": 10.83,
"Mongola": 5,
"Anatolia_Barcin_C": 2.5

[Leto]

Once again. These results speak for themselves

"sample": "Tajik_Ishkashim:Average",
"fit": 1.8854,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 44.17,
"IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 42.5,
"Mongola": 7.5,
"Simulated_AASI": 5.83,
"Anatolia_Barcin_C": 0

"sample": "Tajik_Rushan:Average",
"fit": 2.2294,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 54.17,
"IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 36.67,
"Mongola": 4.17,
"Simulated_AASI": 4.17,
"Anatolia_Barcin_C": 0.83

"sample": "Tajik_Shugnan:Average",
"fit": 1.9018,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 49.17,
"IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 38.33,
"Mongola": 6.67,
"Simulated_AASI": 4.17,
"Anatolia_Barcin_C": 1.67

"sample": "Tajik_Yagnobi:Average",
"fit": 1.8316,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 45,
"IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 38.33,
"Anatolia_Barcin_C": 11.67,
"Mongola": 5,
"Simulated_AASI": 0

[Kyp]

That's true, in Russia Tajiks (a few million guest workers) are probably the darkest group I've seen (blacks and South Asians are still uncommon in most places). They also show Mongoloid influence which is no surprise (many Uzbeks were recorded as Tajiks in Soviet times and switched to Persian).
However occasionally light Aryan types do occur. Like this one (I found him once on social media)

https://i.ibb.co/6F4N037/Badr-Boyev-2.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/mqVkXxX/Badr-Boyev.jpg


I think Yaghnobi Tajiks are a good example of early eastern iranians.

[Arhat]

Do you know where exactly the Aryan Afghan I posted is from?
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?236279-Aryan-Afghan-GEDmatch-Results
I think Rukha/Registan listed his background on Anthrogenica but I can't find it.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 39.98
2 South_Asian 21.16
3 Baltic 13.86
4 North_Atlantic 10.37
5 East_Med 5.67
6 Siberian 3.87
7 Amerindian 1.39
8 Northeast_African 1.07
9 Oceanian 0.81
10 East_Asian 0.72
11 Red_Sea 0.62
12 West_Med 0.48

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Afghan_Pashtun 5.65
2 Tadjik 9.12
3 Afghan_Tadjik 13.54
4 Kalash 14.34
5 Tabassaran 16.51
6 Pathan 17.67
7 Burusho 17.73
8 Chechen 18.42
9 Balochi 18.42
10 Lezgin 18.48
11 Makrani 18.56
12 Brahui 19.7
13 Kumyk 20.01
14 Kabardin 20.05
15 Turkmen 20.1
16 Punjabi_Jat 21.06
17 Adygei 21.51
18 Balkar 21.51
19 North_Ossetian 21.71
20 Ossetian 22.06

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 73% Brahui + 27% Finnish @ 3.34
2 91.3% Afghan_Pashtun + 8.7% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.5
3 73% Brahui + 27% East_Finnish @ 3.51
4 92.4% Afghan_Pashtun + 7.6% Lithuanian @ 3.55
5 91.5% Afghan_Pashtun + 8.5% Erzya @ 3.56
6 92.4% Afghan_Pashtun + 7.6% Estonian @ 3.57
7 91.8% Afghan_Pashtun + 8.2% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.59
8 91.5% Afghan_Pashtun + 8.5% Southwest_Russian @ 3.59
9 92.3% Afghan_Pashtun + 7.7% Finnish @ 3.6
10 91.7% Afghan_Pashtun + 8.3% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.6
11 91.8% Afghan_Pashtun + 8.2% Polish @ 3.61
12 92.2% Afghan_Pashtun + 7.8% Belorussian @ 3.64
13 92.1% Afghan_Pashtun + 7.9% Estonian_Polish @ 3.66
14 92.4% Afghan_Pashtun + 7.6% East_Finnish @ 3.67
15 91.4% Afghan_Pashtun + 8.6% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.68
16 91.6% Afghan_Pashtun + 8.4% South_Polish @ 3.68
17 91.6% Afghan_Pashtun + 8.4% Ukrainian @ 3.7
18 92.4% Afghan_Pashtun + 7.6% Southwest_Finnish @ 3.7
19 67.6% Balochi + 32.4% Tatar @ 3.72
20 79.2% Afghan_Pashtun + 20.8% Tabassaran @ 3.76

Northeastern-shifted. He would be probably around 40% Sintashta on G25 if Mingle is ~30% and Rukha is ~35%.

"sample": "Pashtun:Average",
"fit": 1.3092,
"IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 54.17,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 27.5,
"Simulated_AASI": 10.83,
"Mongola": 5,
"Anatolia_Barcin_C": 2.5

His South Asian is rather high for a Badakshani or some less mongolid shifted Tajiks so he is probably a central Pashtun (Wardak, Logar,..) like Rukha. Central Pashtuns tend to be the most steppe shifted

[Leto]

I think Yaghnobi Tajiks are a good example of early eastern iranians.
Yeah, they are Sogdians, I believe. I would like to see more DNA results from Tajikistan, in particular from the Western Persian-speaking part. In the Northwestern and Westernmost parts of the country there is a lot of ethnic Uzbeks though. I guess purer Tajiks should be somewhere between Gharm and Kulob
https://geology.com/world/tajikistan-map.gif

[Leto]

His South Asian is rather high for a Badakshani or some less mongolid shifted Tajiks so he is probably a central Pashtun (Wardak, Logar,..) like Rukha. Central Pashtuns tend to be the most steppe shifted
I believe he is like 1/4 Pashtun but also part Badakhshani.