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Pausanias
07-05-2018, 10:00 PM
Eurogenes K13 Admixture Proportions



This utility uses the Eurogenes K13 model (rev 21 Nov 2013), created by Davidski (Polako). Questions and comments about this model
should be directed to him at his Project Blog.

Population
North_Atlantic 26.94
Baltic 15.68
West_Med 24.33
West_Asian 10.51
East_Med 17.64
Red_Sea 1.16
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.03
Amerindian -
Oceanian 1.01
Northeast_African 1.46
Sub-Saharan 0.23


Oracle


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 26.94
2 West_Med 24.33
3 East_Med 17.64
4 Baltic 15.68
5 West_Asian 10.51
6 Northeast_African 1.46
7 Red_Sea 1.16
8 Siberian 1.03
9 Oceanian 1.01
10 Sub-Saharan 0.23
11 Amerindian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Italian 6.99
2 Tuscan 8.63
3 Romanian 10.68
4 Greek_Thessaly 10.71
5 Bulgarian 10.91
6 Italian_Abruzzo 13.03
7 Serbian 13.19
8 Portuguese 13.47
9 West_Sicilian 13.54
10 Spanish_Extremadura 13.86
11 Spanish_Galicia 14.37
12 Spanish_Andalucia 14.73
13 Spanish_Cataluna 15.09
14 Spanish_Murcia 15.14
15 Spanish_Valencia 15.27
16 Central_Greek 15.45
17 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 15.57
18 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 16.3
19 East_Sicilian 16.37
20 French 16.58

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 58.1% Bulgarian + 41.9% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.69
2 63.5% North_Italian + 36.5% Bulgarian @ 3.78
3 64.3% Greek_Thessaly + 35.7% Southwest_French @ 3.91
4 75.1% Greek_Thessaly + 24.9% French_Basque @ 4.01
5 63.5% North_Italian + 36.5% Romanian @ 4.06
6 63% Greek_Thessaly + 37% Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.14
7 59.7% Greek_Thessaly + 40.3% Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.51
8 87.6% North_Italian + 12.4% Kabardin @ 4.55
9 78% North_Italian + 22% Moldavian @ 4.61
10 61.8% Greek_Thessaly + 38.2% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.62
11 61.3% Bulgarian + 38.7% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.63
12 88.1% North_Italian + 11.9% Chechen @ 4.65
13 57% Bulgarian + 43% Spanish_Extremadura @ 4.67
14 59.2% Greek_Thessaly + 40.8% Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.69
15 88% North_Italian + 12% Balkar @ 4.73
16 88.8% North_Italian + 11.2% North_Ossetian @ 4.74
17 85.9% North_Italian + 14.1% Tatar @ 4.76
18 86.9% North_Italian + 13.1% Nogay @ 4.77
19 87.5% North_Italian + 12.5% Kumyk @ 4.8
20 88.5% North_Italian + 11.5% Adygei @ 4.8



Oracle-4


K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 26.94
2 West_Med 24.33
3 East_Med 17.64
4 Baltic 15.68
5 West_Asian 10.51
6 Northeast_African 1.46
7 Red_Sea 1.16
8 Siberian 1.03
9 Oceanian 1.01


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 North_Italian @ 7.866125
2 Tuscan @ 9.796162
3 Romanian @ 11.904975
4 Greek_Thessaly @ 12.234755
5 Bulgarian @ 12.250595
6 Serbian @ 14.748154
7 Italian_Abruzzo @ 14.883681
8 Portuguese @ 15.491478
9 West_Sicilian @ 15.514514
10 Spanish_Extremadura @ 15.839335
11 Spanish_Galicia @ 16.477715
12 Spanish_Andalucia @ 16.867666
13 Spanish_Murcia @ 17.377678
14 Spanish_Cataluna @ 17.385283
15 Spanish_Valencia @ 17.549187
16 Central_Greek @ 17.761452
17 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 17.909685
18 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 18.715872
19 East_Sicilian @ 18.787235
20 French @ 19.058758

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +50% Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.733767


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +25% Central_Greek +25% French_Basque @ 2.838557


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Armenian + Sardinian + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.647200
2 Armenian + Sardinian + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.808379
3 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Central_Greek + French_Basque @ 2.838557
4 Armenian + Finnish + Sardinian + Spanish_Aragon @ 2.870831
5 Central_Greek + Central_Greek + French_Basque + Moldavian @ 2.880103
6 Armenian + Finnish + Sardinian + Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.930047
7 Armenian + Sardinian + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.933119
8 Armenian + Estonian + Sardinian + Spanish_Aragon @ 2.934181
9 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + East_Sicilian + French_Basque @ 2.946345
10 Armenian + Sardinian + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.951709
11 Armenian + Finnish + Sardinian + Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.957118
12 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + French_Basque + South_Italian @ 2.961103
13 Armenian + Sardinian + Southwest_Finnish + Southwest_French @ 2.976001
14 Armenian + Finnish + Sardinian + Spanish_Valencia @ 3.035520
15 Georgian_Jewish + Sardinian + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.041924
16 Armenian + Finnish + Sardinian + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.046139
17 Armenian + Portuguese + Sardinian + Southwest_Finnish @ 3.051900
18 Armenian + Finnish + Sardinian + Southwest_French @ 3.080262
19 Armenian + Finnish + Sardinian + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.095639
20 Hungarian + Sardinian + South_Dutch + Turkish @ 3.103167

Done.

catgeorge
07-05-2018, 10:03 PM
Interesting

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Italian 6.99
2 Tuscan 8.63

7 59.7% Greek_Thessaly + 40.3% Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.51

A Greek Iberian becomes Central North Italian.

Thot Whisperer
07-05-2018, 10:19 PM
Which parent is spanish/Greek?

Sikeliot
07-05-2018, 10:21 PM
You come out fairly similar to me, except I am 1/4 Polish.

Pausanias
07-05-2018, 10:27 PM
Which parent is spanish/Greek?

Mother Spanish (half Catalan, half Andalusian).

Father Greek (100% western Macedonia region).

alnortedelsur
07-05-2018, 10:30 PM
Mother Spanish (half Catalan, half Andalusian).

Father Greek (100% western Macedonia region).

Your gedmatch results make sense for somebody who is half Greek, half Spanish:

High North Atlantic, but not as high as in full Spanish people, and higher Baltic than what is usual for Spain (due to your Greek side).

Sikeliot
07-05-2018, 10:43 PM
Your gedmatch results make sense for somebody who is half Greek, half Spanish:

High North Atlantic, but not as high as in full Spanish people, and higher Baltic what is usual for Spain (due to your Greek side).

It makes sense when you consider he and I are almost identical on the calculators. I am 3/8 Sicilian, 1/8 Sardinian, 1/4 Polish, 1/4 Portuguese (with 1/64 SSA).

Sardinians are closer to Iberians than to Sicilians, so having 1/8 Sardinian artificially inflates how "Iberian like" I am which brings me closer to being modeled as half. Then, his Greek side might be comparable to my mixture of 3/8 Sicilian and 1/4 Polish, as his father is from the most Slavic part of Greece.

Pausanias
07-06-2018, 01:18 AM
It makes sense when you consider he and I are almost identical on the calculators. I am 3/8 Sicilian, 1/8 Sardinian, 1/4 Polish, 1/4 Portuguese (with 1/64 SSA).

Sardinians are closer to Iberians than to Sicilians, so having 1/8 Sardinian artificially inflates how "Iberian like" I am which brings me closer to being modeled as half. Then, his Greek side might be comparable to my mixture of 3/8 Sicilian and 1/4 Polish, as his father is from the most Slavic part of Greece.

Indeed a lot of iberians score Sardinians.

Thot Whisperer
07-06-2018, 02:15 AM
Do you have a prediction for your paternal haplogroup?

Pausanias
07-06-2018, 01:31 PM
Do you have a prediction for your paternal haplogroup?

Nope :(

Jana
07-06-2018, 01:42 PM
Nope :(

Download your raw data and try this: https://ytree.morleydna.com/extractFromAutosomal
it should work with MyHeritage Data

Coolguy1
07-06-2018, 01:53 PM
Please post dodecad k12b

Pausanias
07-06-2018, 03:05 PM
Download your raw data and try this: https://ytree.morleydna.com/extractFromAutosomal
it should work with MyHeritage Data

I don't understand what it means, but:


Your data has:
49 Y-DNA position(s) with heterozygous calls. This may be a quirk of your autosomal DNA product. Further information is needed before these positions can be handled.
57 Y-DNA position(s) lacking mutations recognised by the genetic genealogy community. These Y-DNA positions may not be very useful.
3 unrecognised position(s). Are you using data from a source other than AncestryDNA, 23andMe or MyHeritage?
71 recognised mutation(s) with positive calls.
181 recognised mutation(s) with negative calls.
131 recognised mutation(s) with no-calls.

Could u explain me what it means?

Pausanias
07-06-2018, 03:08 PM
Please post dodecad k12b


Population
Gedrosia 5.68
Siberian 0.98
Northwest_African 3.14
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 34.73
North_European 25.18
South_Asian -
East_African 0.24
Southwest_Asian 5.30
East_Asian -
Caucasus 23.88
Sub_Saharan 0.87

Oracle:


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Med 34.73
2 North_European 25.18
3 Caucasus 23.88
4 Gedrosia 5.68
5 Southwest_Asian 5.3
6 Northwest_African 3.14
7 Siberian 0.98
8 Sub_Saharan 0.87
9 East_African 0.24


Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 O_Italian (Dodecad) 6.18
2 N_Italian (Dodecad) 6.75
3 TSI30 (Metspalu) 8.48
4 Tuscan (HGDP) 9.65
5 North_Italian (HGDP) 9.67
6 C_Italian (Dodecad) 11.05
7 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 14.9
8 Romanians (Behar) 14.91
9 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 15.1
10 Greek (Dodecad) 15.37
11 Baleares (1000Genomes) 16.44
12 Galicia (1000Genomes) 17.21
13 Extremadura (1000Genomes) 17.73
14 Portuguese (Dodecad) 18.09
15 Sicilian (Dodecad) 18.33
16 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 18.57
17 Canarias (1000Genomes) 19.37
18 Murcia (1000Genomes) 19.52
19 French (HGDP) 19.98
20 French (Dodecad) 20.13

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 76.4% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 23.6% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 2.48
2 61.2% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 38.8% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 2.6
3 60% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 40% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 2.67
4 69.6% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 30.4% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 2.67
5 71% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 29% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 2.69
6 59.4% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 40.6% Kent (1000Genomes) @ 2.7
7 60.1% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 39.9% English (Dodecad) @ 2.71
8 51.3% French (HGDP) + 48.7% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 2.79
9 59.2% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 40.8% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 2.83
10 76.9% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 23.1% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 2.83
11 83.9% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 16.1% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 2.84
12 82.9% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 17.1% Kent (1000Genomes) @ 2.88
13 83.3% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 16.7% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 2.89
14 83.3% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 16.7% English (Dodecad) @ 2.89
15 57.5% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 42.5% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 2.89
16 78.5% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 21.5% French (Dodecad) @ 2.93
17 83.5% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 16.5% Cornwall (1000Genomes) @ 2.93
18 83.9% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 16.1% British (Dodecad) @ 2.93
19 84.6% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 15.4% Irish (Dodecad) @ 2.94
20 84.9% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 15.1% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 2.94



Oracle-4





Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Med 34.73
2 North_European 25.18
3 Caucasus 23.88
4 Gedrosia 5.68
5 Southwest_Asian 5.30
6 Northwest_African 3.14


Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
12 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 6.781933
2 N_Italian_Dodecad @ 7.189653
3 TSI30_Metspalu @ 9.223505
4 North_Italian_HGDP @ 10.346188
5 Tuscan_HGDP @ 10.580574
6 C_Italian_Dodecad @ 12.163246
7 Romanians_Behar @ 16.155115
8 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev @ 16.220280
9 Bulgarian_Dodecad @ 16.378902
10 Greek_Dodecad @ 17.006952
11 Baleares_1000Genomes @ 17.858248
12 Galicia_1000Genomes @ 18.867016
13 Extremadura_1000Genomes @ 19.447702
14 Portuguese_Dodecad @ 19.905523
15 Sicilian_Dodecad @ 20.149111
16 S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 20.392715
17 Canarias_1000Genomes @ 21.154238
18 Murcia_1000Genomes @ 21.308153
19 Castilla_Y_Leon_1000Genomes @ 22.020885
20 French_HGDP @ 22.043200

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar +50% French_HGDP @ 2.891003


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% O_Italian_Dodecad +25% Portuguese_Dodecad +25% Romanians_Behar @ 1.920101


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Armenians_15_Yunusbayev + Canarias_1000Genomes + Lithuanians_Behar + Sardinian_HGDP @ 1.700017
2 Armenians_Behar + Canarias_1000Genomes + Finnish_Dodecad + Sardinian_HGDP @ 1.717281
3 Armenians_Behar + Finnish_Dodecad + Portuguese_Dodecad + Sardinian_HGDP @ 1.762988
4 Canarias_1000Genomes + Greek_Dodecad + Greek_Dodecad + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad @ 1.779525
5 Armenians_Behar + FIN30_1000Genomes + Portuguese_Dodecad + Sardinian_HGDP @ 1.840215
6 Armenians_Behar + Extremadura_1000Genomes + Finnish_Dodecad + Sardinian_HGDP @ 1.841493
7 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + O_Italian_Dodecad + O_Italian_Dodecad + Portuguese_Dodecad @ 1.865847
8 Armenian_Dodecad + Canarias_1000Genomes + Lithuanians_Behar + Sardinian_HGDP @ 1.873263
9 Armenians_Behar + Lithuanians_Behar + Portuguese_Dodecad + Sardinian_HGDP @ 1.880116
10 Bulgarian_Dodecad + O_Italian_Dodecad + O_Italian_Dodecad + Portuguese_Dodecad @ 1.902993
11 Canarias_1000Genomes + O_Italian_Dodecad + O_Italian_Dodecad + Romanians_Behar @ 1.911991
12 Andalucia_1000Genomes + Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Hungarians_Behar + O_Italian_Dodecad @ 1.914744
13 O_Italian_Dodecad + O_Italian_Dodecad + Portuguese_Dodecad + Romanians_Behar @ 1.920101
14 Armenians_Behar + Canarias_1000Genomes + Lithuanians_Behar + Sardinian_HGDP @ 1.927883
15 Armenians_15_Yunusbayev + Lithuanians_Behar + Portuguese_Dodecad + Sardinian_HGDP @ 1.934092
16 Armenians_Behar + Extremadura_1000Genomes + FIN30_1000Genomes + Sardinian_HGDP @ 1.950838
17 Extremadura_1000Genomes + O_Italian_Dodecad + O_Italian_Dodecad + Romanians_Behar @ 1.952534
18 Bulgarian_Dodecad + Extremadura_1000Genomes + O_Italian_Dodecad + O_Italian_Dodecad @ 1.967498
19 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + Extremadura_1000Genomes + O_Italian_Dodecad + O_Italian_Dodecad @ 1.968158
20 Andalucia_1000Genomes + Hungarians_Behar + O_Italian_Dodecad + Sicilian_Dodecad @ 1.971382



Now explain me the difference between eurogenes k12 and dodecad k12b please :) :)

Jana
07-06-2018, 03:09 PM
I don't understand what it means, but:


Could u explain me what it means?

Could you post a screenshot ?

Pausanias
07-06-2018, 03:13 PM
Could you post a screenshot ?

...

Hulu
07-06-2018, 03:13 PM
Your gedmatch results make sense for somebody who is half Greek, half Spanish:

High North Atlantic, but not as high as in full Spanish people, and higher Baltic than what is usual for Spain (due to your Greek side).

His Baltic is high for a half greek, I am full Albanian and it is lower than his.

Jana
07-06-2018, 03:18 PM
https://i.imgur.com/7xxL71e.png

https://i.imgur.com/YEnFr6n.png

Click on submit button on bottom of the page. Than click on ''Feed this data to Morley YDNA predictor''. and finally click on predict button. It should work.

Pausanias
07-06-2018, 03:22 PM
Click on submit button on bottom of the page. Than click on ''Feed this data to Morley YDNA predictor''. and finally click on predict button. It should work.

Done. Now your turn on explain me what it means :rolleyes:

https://i.imgur.com/lHq0xdD.png

alnortedelsur
07-06-2018, 03:24 PM
His Baltic is high for a half greek, I am full Albanian and it is lower than his.

But some of it could come from his Iberian side too. Iberians also score some Baltic on gedmatch.

Jana
07-06-2018, 03:25 PM
Done. Now your turn on explain me what it means :rolleyes:

https://i.imgur.com/lHq0xdD.png

You are E1b, most probably E-V13 because most of E in Europe is that. Congrats!

Good article about it: https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_E1b1b_Y-DNA.shtml

Pausanias
07-06-2018, 03:27 PM
You are E1b, most probably E-V13 because most of E in Europe is that. Congrats!

Good article about it: https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_E1b1b_Y-DNA.shtml


Thank you for explain me :)

In wich regions is E-V13 haplogrup more common?

Hulu
07-06-2018, 03:28 PM
Thank you for explain me :)

In wich regions is E-V13 haplogrup more common?

Albania

Jana
07-06-2018, 03:29 PM
Thank you for explain me :)

In wich regions is E-V13 haplogrup more common?

It exist all over Europe but highest concentrations are in southern Balkans, among Albanians Greeks and Bulgarians!

Pausanias
07-06-2018, 03:30 PM
Albania


It exist all over Europe but highest concentrations are in southern Balkans, among Albanians Greeks and Bulgarians!

Cool! :)

So i guess i have more DNA by my father's side than my mother's ;)

Hulu
07-06-2018, 03:31 PM
Cool! :)

So i guess i have more DNA by my father's side than my mother's ;)

:rofl:

Pausanias
11-17-2018, 01:26 PM
lets bump this

Pubiczar
11-17-2018, 01:32 PM
You are basically half Spanish, half Bulgarian according your Gedmatch results.

Pausanias
11-20-2018, 09:52 PM
You are basically half Spanish, half Bulgarian according your Gedmatch results.

GEDmatch says what I exactly am.

7 59.7% Greek_Thessaly + 40.3% Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.51

Using 1 population approximation:
1 North_Italian @ 7.866125
2 Tuscan @ 9.796162
3 Romanian @ 11.904975
4 Greek_Thessaly @ 12.234755

FilhoV
11-21-2018, 01:31 AM
Very high Baltic I’m full portuguese and only score 9%

Pausanias
11-21-2018, 10:02 AM
Very high Baltic I’m full portuguese and only score 9%

What do you think it is due to?

FilhoV
11-21-2018, 11:25 AM
What do you think it is due to?

Catalans score the highest Baltic out of all the Iberians so possibly recombination

Pausanias
11-21-2018, 09:03 PM
Catalans score the highest Baltic out of all the Iberians so possibly recombination

I didn't know it

Pausanias
11-23-2018, 09:25 PM
bump

Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas
11-23-2018, 09:39 PM
Your Baltic is not that high in my opinion, it is just what you would expect from someone who is half-Greek and half-Spanish. Greek Thessaly average on K13 is 16% Baltic whereas Spaniards range from 8% to 12% depending on the region. I get 12% Baltic on K13 which is on pair with the Portuguese average, it peaks among Galicians, Portugueses and Catalonians in the Iberian peninsula.

Leto
11-23-2018, 09:54 PM
Interesting pan-Southern European background. East Med + West Med basically :)

Pausanias
11-23-2018, 10:01 PM
Your Baltic is not that high in my opinion, it is just what you would expect from someone who is half-Greek and half-Spanish. Greek Thessaly average on K13 is 16% Baltic whereas Spaniards range from 8% to 12% depending on the region. I get 12% Baltic on K13 which is on pair with the Portuguese average, it peaks among Galicians, Portugueses and Catalonians in the Iberian peninsula.

Thanks for your opinion and for the information! I didn't knew about these baltic ranges.

My question is, how can a southern european score +10% Baltic?


Interesting pan-Southern European background. East Med + West Med basically :)

Yes indeed., my mother has a full iberian background, and my father full greek one.

Some people in Spain say me that i look more Greek, and vice versa.

Leto
11-23-2018, 10:06 PM
My question is, how can a southern european score +10% Baltic?

It's something related to Steppe ancestry i.e. the Indo-Europeans.

Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas
11-23-2018, 10:17 PM
It's something related to Steppe ancestry i.e. the Indo-Europeans.

Yeah, in the case of Galiza and Portugal is probably due to Visigoth and Suebic settlements whereas Catalonia is to a certain degree a genetic extension of Occitanie (South Western France). Catalan and Occitanian language are mutually intelligible.

Pubiczar
11-23-2018, 10:18 PM
GEDmatch says what I exactly am.

7 59.7% Greek_Thessaly + 40.3% Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.51

Using 1 population approximation:
1 North_Italian @ 7.866125
2 Tuscan @ 9.796162
3 Romanian @ 11.904975
4 Greek_Thessaly @ 12.234755

If you are half Greek and half Catalan, than you can't be 59.7 Greek and 40.3 Catalan.
You have to find another group which maches your 50% of Catalan ancestry...

Pausanias
11-23-2018, 10:45 PM
If you are half Greek and half Catalan, than you can't be 59.7 Greek and 40.3 Catalan.
You have to find another group which maches your 50% of Catalan ancestry...

Are you retarded?
It's a serious question.

Pubiczar
11-23-2018, 10:52 PM
Are you retarded?
It's a serious question.

Are you a dumbfuck or just training??
What is that you don't understand?

Pubiczar
11-23-2018, 10:58 PM
Cool! :)

So i guess i have more DNA by my father's side than my mother's ;)

;):picard1::picard2:

Dick
11-23-2018, 11:02 PM
Cool results. Congrats. Did you try puntdnal calculators too

FilhoV
11-23-2018, 11:23 PM
You should do the K36 by Lukasz it’s €7 and totally worth it

FilhoV
11-23-2018, 11:23 PM
Cool results. Congrats. Did you try puntdnal calculators too

PuntDNAL are my favorite ones

Pausanias
11-24-2018, 02:11 AM
You should do the K36 by Lukasz it’s €7 and totally worth it

Oh i will!



Cool results. Congrats. Did you try puntdnal calculators too


PuntDNAL are my favorite ones

First time I try it:

puntDNAL K12 Modern Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Anatolian_NF 38.46
2 European_HG 25.19
3 Caucasus_HG 23.16
4 Near_East 8.33
5 Oceanian 2.15
6 South_African_HG 1.57
7 Beringian 0.98
8 East_Asian 0.14
9 Amerindian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek 4.62
2 Tuscan 5.35
3 Albanian 6.07
4 Bulgarian 7.25
5 Sicilian_West 10.87
6 Italian_Bergamo 11.43
7 Ashkenazi_Jew 11.7
8 Romanian 11.99
9 Sicilian_East 12.37
10 Croatian 13.16
11 Spanish_Southwest 14.33
12 French 14.74
13 Belgian 15.37
14 Spanish_Canaries 15.39
15 Spanish_Northeast 16.43
16 Dutch_South 16.82
17 German_South 17
18 Turkish_Aydin 17.36
19 Utahn_European 17.61
20 Hungarian 18.15

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 50.8% Romanian + 49.2% Sicilian_East @ 3.26
2 69.1% French + 30.9% Iraqi_Jew @ 3.35
3 66% Sicilian_East + 34% Scottish_West @ 3.4
4 62.1% Sicilian_East + 37.9% English_South @ 3.41
5 63.7% Sicilian_East + 36.3% Irish @ 3.41
6 61.5% Sicilian_West + 38.5% Dutch_South @ 3.44
7 65.9% French + 34.1% Assyrian @ 3.46
8 59.3% Sicilian_East + 40.7% Utahn_European @ 3.48
9 50.7% Ashkenazi_Jew + 49.3% Romanian @ 3.48
10 65% Sicilian_East + 35% German_North @ 3.52
11 67.7% Romanian + 32.3% Cypriot @ 3.53
12 97.1% Albanian + 2.9% Bougainville @ 3.54
13 67% Sicilian_East + 33% Norwegian @ 3.56
14 58.1% Sicilian_East + 41.9% Dutch_South @ 3.56
15 55.8% Sicilian_East + 44.2% Belgian @ 3.62
16 56.3% Tuscan + 43.7% Bulgarian @ 3.62
17 68.7% Sicilian_East + 31.3% Swedish @ 3.63
18 97.7% Albanian + 2.3% Papuan @ 3.65
19 97.8% Albanian + 2.2% Khomani @ 3.65
20 68.4% French + 31.6% Iranian_Jew @ 3.66

Dick
11-24-2018, 02:13 AM
Oh i will!






First time I try it:

puntDNAL K12 Modern Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Anatolian_NF 38.46
2 European_HG 25.19
3 Caucasus_HG 23.16
4 Near_East 8.33
5 Oceanian 2.15
6 South_African_HG 1.57
7 Beringian 0.98
8 East_Asian 0.14
9 Amerindian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek 4.62
2 Tuscan 5.35
3 Albanian 6.07
4 Bulgarian 7.25
5 Sicilian_West 10.87
6 Italian_Bergamo 11.43
7 Ashkenazi_Jew 11.7
8 Romanian 11.99
9 Sicilian_East 12.37
10 Croatian 13.16
11 Spanish_Southwest 14.33
12 French 14.74
13 Belgian 15.37
14 Spanish_Canaries 15.39
15 Spanish_Northeast 16.43
16 Dutch_South 16.82
17 German_South 17
18 Turkish_Aydin 17.36
19 Utahn_European 17.61
20 Hungarian 18.15

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 50.8% Romanian + 49.2% Sicilian_East @ 3.26
2 69.1% French + 30.9% Iraqi_Jew @ 3.35
3 66% Sicilian_East + 34% Scottish_West @ 3.4
4 62.1% Sicilian_East + 37.9% English_South @ 3.41
5 63.7% Sicilian_East + 36.3% Irish @ 3.41
6 61.5% Sicilian_West + 38.5% Dutch_South @ 3.44
7 65.9% French + 34.1% Assyrian @ 3.46
8 59.3% Sicilian_East + 40.7% Utahn_European @ 3.48
9 50.7% Ashkenazi_Jew + 49.3% Romanian @ 3.48
10 65% Sicilian_East + 35% German_North @ 3.52
11 67.7% Romanian + 32.3% Cypriot @ 3.53
12 97.1% Albanian + 2.9% Bougainville @ 3.54
13 67% Sicilian_East + 33% Norwegian @ 3.56
14 58.1% Sicilian_East + 41.9% Dutch_South @ 3.56
15 55.8% Sicilian_East + 44.2% Belgian @ 3.62
16 56.3% Tuscan + 43.7% Bulgarian @ 3.62
17 68.7% Sicilian_East + 31.3% Swedish @ 3.63
18 97.7% Albanian + 2.3% Papuan @ 3.65
19 97.8% Albanian + 2.2% Khomani @ 3.65
20 68.4% French + 31.6% Iranian_Jew @ 3.66

Try k10 and k13

Pausanias
11-24-2018, 02:15 AM
Try k10 and k13

puntDNAL K13 Oracle


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 SW_Europe 41.45
2 NE_Europe 29.07
3 West_Asia 15.58
4 SW_Asia 8.2
5 Siberia 1.95
6 Oceania 1.39
7 West_Africa 1.28
8 East_Africa 0.57
9 Americas 0.27
10 South_Africa 0.26

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Italian_Bergamo 4.95
2 Italian_Tuscan 5.06
3 Albanian 6.82
4 Kosovar 7.03
5 Greek_Thessaly 7.36
6 Macedonian 7.71
7 Bulgarian 8.19
8 Spaniard 10.05
9 Montenegrin 10.35
10 Romanian 11.11
11 Serbian 11.39
12 Italian_Abruzzo 11.73
13 Greek_Central 12.93
14 French 14.16
15 Bosnian 15.02
16 Croatian 15.73
17 Ashkenazy_Jew 16.42
18 Italian_Sicilian 16.98
19 German_South 17.06
20 Moldavian 17.48

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 75.3% Spaniard + 24.7% Balkar @ 2.74
2 88.6% Italian_Bergamo + 11.4% Nogay @ 2.91
3 78.1% Spaniard + 21.9% Ossetian @ 2.94
4 92.6% Italian_Bergamo + 7.4% Afghan_Hazara @ 3.06
5 91.4% Italian_Bergamo + 8.6% Afghan_Uzbeki @ 3.14
6 75.2% Albanian + 24.8% French_Basque @ 3.15
7 74.2% Spaniard + 25.8% Turkish_Aydin @ 3.16
8 87.8% Italian_Bergamo + 12.2% Turkish_Aydin @ 3.16
9 59.9% French_Basque + 40.1% Turkish_Aydin @ 3.25
10 78.9% Spaniard + 21.1% Dagestan_Azeri @ 3.27
11 91.1% Italian_Bergamo + 8.9% Tadjik @ 3.28
12 94.3% Italian_Bergamo + 5.7% Altaian @ 3.28
13 95% Italian_Bergamo + 5% Tuvinian @ 3.3
14 95.8% Italian_Bergamo + 4.2% Chukchi @ 3.3
15 78.6% Spaniard + 21.4% Azerbaijan_Azeri @ 3.32
16 95.8% Italian_Bergamo + 4.2% Koryak @ 3.34
17 95.9% Italian_Bergamo + 4.1% Yakut @ 3.35
18 89.2% Italian_Bergamo + 10.8% Kumyk @ 3.36
19 95.7% Italian_Bergamo + 4.3% Eskimo @ 3.37
20 89% Italian_Bergamo + 11% Balkar @ 3.39

Pausanias
11-24-2018, 11:12 AM
I found this one interesting too:


HarappaWorld Oracle results:
23 April 2013 - Oracle reference population percentages revised.


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Mediterranean 32.35
2 NE-Euro 28.83
3 Caucasian 22.45
4 Baloch 7.03
5 SW-Asian 6.25
6 W-African 1.44
7 Siberian 0.93
8 Papuan 0.64
9 Pygmy 0.08

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 italian (hgdp) 5.26
2 tuscan (hapmap) 7.12
3 tuscan (hgdp) 7.47
4 tuscan (1000genomes) 7.94
5 romanian-a (behar) 11.45
6 bulgarian (yunusbayev) 12.3
7 spaniard (behar) 15.46
8 spaniard (1000genomes) 16.45
9 ashkenazi (harappa) 17.07
10 french (hgdp) 17.72
11 ashkenazy-jew (behar) 19.61
12 hungarian (behar) 21.26
13 slovenian (xing) 23.18
14 puerto-rican (1000genomes) 23.66
15 morocco-jew (behar) 24.87
16 sephardic-jew (behar) 25.31
17 utahn-white (1000genomes) 25.78
18 n-european (xing) 26.44
19 british (1000genomes) 27.15
20 turk-aydin (hodoglugil) 27.2

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 79.7% tuscan (1000genomes) + 20.3% orcadian (hgdp) @ 2.33
2 78.1% tuscan (1000genomes) + 21.9% british (1000genomes) @ 2.35
3 69.8% tuscan (1000genomes) + 30.2% french (hgdp) @ 2.37
4 77.3% tuscan (1000genomes) + 22.7% utahn-white (1000genomes) @ 2.48
5 79.8% tuscan (hapmap) + 20.2% n-european (xing) @ 2.54
6 89.7% italian (hgdp) + 10.3% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 2.84
7 89% italian (hgdp) + 11% stalskoe (xing) @ 2.86
8 78% tuscan (1000genomes) + 22% n-european (xing) @ 2.87
9 89.6% italian (hgdp) + 10.4% turkmen (yunusbayev) @ 2.9
10 90.3% italian (hgdp) + 9.7% urkarah (xing) @ 2.9
11 66.9% french (hgdp) + 33.1% cypriot (behar) @ 2.96
12 88.9% italian (hgdp) + 11.1% nogai (yunusbayev) @ 3.03
13 90.9% italian (hgdp) + 9.1% lezgin (behar) @ 3.11
14 90.5% italian (hgdp) + 9.5% kumyk (yunusbayev) @ 3.22
15 52.6% french (hgdp) + 47.4% ashkenazy-jew (behar) @ 3.27
16 91.7% italian (hgdp) + 8.3% pashtun (harappa) @ 3.28
17 91.2% italian (hgdp) + 8.8% iranian (behar) @ 3.29
18 91.2% italian (hgdp) + 8.8% chechen (yunusbayev) @ 3.32
19 73% italian (hgdp) + 27% romanian-a (behar) @ 3.36
20 87% italian (hgdp) + 13% turk-aydin (hodoglugil) @ 3.37

FilhoV
11-24-2018, 02:36 PM
puntDNAL K13 Oracle


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 SW_Europe 41.45
2 NE_Europe 29.07
3 West_Asia 15.58
4 SW_Asia 8.2
5 Siberia 1.95
6 Oceania 1.39
7 West_Africa 1.28
8 East_Africa 0.57
9 Americas 0.27
10 South_Africa 0.26

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Italian_Bergamo 4.95
2 Italian_Tuscan 5.06
3 Albanian 6.82
4 Kosovar 7.03
5 Greek_Thessaly 7.36
6 Macedonian 7.71
7 Bulgarian 8.19
8 Spaniard 10.05
9 Montenegrin 10.35
10 Romanian 11.11
11 Serbian 11.39
12 Italian_Abruzzo 11.73
13 Greek_Central 12.93
14 French 14.16
15 Bosnian 15.02
16 Croatian 15.73
17 Ashkenazy_Jew 16.42
18 Italian_Sicilian 16.98
19 German_South 17.06
20 Moldavian 17.48

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 75.3% Spaniard + 24.7% Balkar @ 2.74
2 88.6% Italian_Bergamo + 11.4% Nogay @ 2.91
3 78.1% Spaniard + 21.9% Ossetian @ 2.94
4 92.6% Italian_Bergamo + 7.4% Afghan_Hazara @ 3.06
5 91.4% Italian_Bergamo + 8.6% Afghan_Uzbeki @ 3.14
6 75.2% Albanian + 24.8% French_Basque @ 3.15
7 74.2% Spaniard + 25.8% Turkish_Aydin @ 3.16
8 87.8% Italian_Bergamo + 12.2% Turkish_Aydin @ 3.16
9 59.9% French_Basque + 40.1% Turkish_Aydin @ 3.25
10 78.9% Spaniard + 21.1% Dagestan_Azeri @ 3.27
11 91.1% Italian_Bergamo + 8.9% Tadjik @ 3.28
12 94.3% Italian_Bergamo + 5.7% Altaian @ 3.28
13 95% Italian_Bergamo + 5% Tuvinian @ 3.3
14 95.8% Italian_Bergamo + 4.2% Chukchi @ 3.3
15 78.6% Spaniard + 21.4% Azerbaijan_Azeri @ 3.32
16 95.8% Italian_Bergamo + 4.2% Koryak @ 3.34
17 95.9% Italian_Bergamo + 4.1% Yakut @ 3.35
18 89.2% Italian_Bergamo + 10.8% Kumyk @ 3.36
19 95.7% Italian_Bergamo + 4.3% Eskimo @ 3.37
20 89% Italian_Bergamo + 11% Balkar @ 3.39
interesting you get Italian Bergamo in 1st they are the most southern shifted of the Northern Italians the Greek and Spanish is pushing you to Bergamo

Pausanias
12-02-2018, 04:17 PM
interesting you get Italian Bergamo in 1st they are the most southern shifted of the Northern Italians the Greek and Spanish is pushing you to Bergamo

Interesting.
I score Tuscan as 2nd distance in both Eurogenes k13 and puntDNAL.

Pausanias
02-23-2019, 08:03 PM
UPDATE with my Eurogenes K15


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 20.02
2 West_Med 18.84
3 East_Med 15.55
4 North_Sea 14.18
5 Baltic 10.75
6 West_Asian 10.39
7 Eastern_Euro 6.16
8 Northeast_African 1.40
9 Red_Sea 1.24


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 North_Italian @ 8.146450
2 Tuscan @ 8.469288
3 Bulgarian @ 9.603182
4 Romanian @ 10.520500
5 Greek @ 11.241243
6 Greek_Thessaly @ 11.570181
7 Serbian @ 12.727589
8 Italian_Abruzzo @ 13.674389
9 West_Sicilian @ 14.558677
10 Portuguese @ 15.263124
11 Spanish_Extremadura @ 15.612108
12 Spanish_Andalucia @ 15.811786
13 Spanish_Galicia @ 16.024595
14 Spanish_Murcia @ 16.146013
15 Spanish_Cataluna @ 16.167501
16 Central_Greek @ 16.249174
17 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 16.459995
18 East_Sicilian @ 16.706934
19 Spanish_Valencia @ 17.073492
20 Ashkenazi @ 17.799574

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +50% North_Italian @ 2.953840


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +25% Spanish_Andalucia +25% Tuscan @ 2.759014


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +
1 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Spanish_Andalucia + Tuscan @ 2.759014
2 Bulgarian + French_Basque + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly @ 2.879875
3 French_Basque + Greek_Thessaly + Moldavian + South_Italian @ 2.918877
4 Greek + Moldavian + Spanish_Andalucia + Tuscan @ 2.938037
5 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + North_Italian + North_Italian @ 2.953840
6 Bulgarian + Romanian + Spanish_Andalucia + Tuscan @ 2.997603
7 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Italian_Abruzzo + Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.029165
8 Bulgarian + Greek + Spanish_Cantabria + Tuscan @ 3.030863
9 Greek + Greek + Romanian + Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.045869
10 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Tuscan @ 3.064029
11 Greek + Romanian + Spanish_Cantabria + Tuscan @ 3.071435
12 Bulgarian + Greek + North_Italian + Portuguese @ 3.080889
13 Central_Greek + Moldavian + North_Italian + Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.091717
14 Bulgarian + Greek + North_Italian + Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.097310
15 Central_Greek + Central_Greek + French_Basque + Moldavian @ 3.113284
16 Greek + North_Italian + Romanian + Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.121208
17 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Spanish_Cantabria + Tuscan @ 3.126557
18 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Spanish_Cantabria + West_Sicilian @ 3.127347
19 Central_Greek + French_Basque + Greek_Thessaly + Moldavian @ 3.130785
20 Greek + Romanian + Southwest_French + Tuscan @ 3.133047

Sikeliot
02-23-2019, 08:09 PM
You plot similar to me!

We are both SE European + Iberian, though I have Polish and some Slavic is embedded in your Greek side, so we net out to the same place.