Göktürk GEDmatch results

[Hudayar]

Okay this is pretty fucking strange

Kit Number: M853162

MDLP K23b
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Ancestral_Altaic 17.74
2 South_Central_Asian 17.10
3 European_Early_Farmers 16.39
4 East_Siberian 14.88
5 Tungus-Altaic 12.61
6 Paleo_Siberian 6.37
7 European_Hunters_Gatherers 5.48
8 African_Pygmy 3.18
9 Austronesian 3.18
10 South_Indian 1.91
11 Arctic 1.17


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Tatar-Siberian_ @ 25.830357
2 Turkmen_Afghan_ @ 27.721422
3 Hakas_ @ 29.268610
4 Uzbek_ @ 29.390339
5 Uygur-Han_ @ 29.516068
6 Kazahs_ @ 29.528652
7 Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 29.720247
8 Uygur_ @ 30.356359
9 Hazara_ @ 30.458311
10 Bashkir_ @ 30.783096
11 Karakalpak_ @ 31.954903
12 Tajik_Tajikistan_ @ 32.058510
13 Kazakh_ @ 33.263103
14 Tajik_Afghan_ @ 33.476501
15 Kyrgyz_Bishkek_ @ 34.646530
16 Altaian_ @ 35.060577
17 Uzbek_Afghan_ @ 35.178288
18 Kyrgyz_ @ 36.818623
19 Udmurd_ @ 37.276569
20 Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan_ @ 37.287052

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Hakas_ +50% Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan_ @ 21.550112


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Hakas_ +25% Kalash_ +25% Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS_ @ 12.959104


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Basque_French_ + Kalash_ + Khant_ + Ulchi_ @ 8.175221
2 Basque_Spanish_ + Kalash_ + Khant_ + Ulchi_ @ 8.210481
3 Kalash_ + Khant_ + Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS_ + Ulchi_ @ 8.302074
4 Basque_Spanish_ + Brahui_ + Ket_ + Tubalar_ @ 8.922079
5 Basque_French_ + Brahui_ + Ket_ + Tubalar_ @ 8.934705
6 Basque_Spanish_ + Kalash_ + Ket_ + Tubalar_ @ 9.048072
7 Basque_French_ + Brahui_ + Khant_ + Ulchi_ @ 9.066896
8 Brahui_ + Ket_ + Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS_ + Tubalar_ @ 9.092713
9 Basque_French_ + Kalash_ + Ket_ + Tubalar_ @ 9.133452
10 Basque_Spanish_ + Brahui_ + Khant_ + Ulchi_ @ 9.174991
11 Balochi_ + Basque_French_ + Ket_ + Tubalar_ @ 9.202107
12 Brahui_ + Khant_ + Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS_ + Ulchi_ @ 9.229880
13 Basque_French_ + Brahui_ + Selkup_ + Tubalar_ @ 9.234098
14 Balochi_ + Basque_Spanish_ + Ket_ + Tubalar_ @ 9.234982
15 Kalash_ + Ket_ + Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS_ + Tubalar_ @ 9.237841
16 French_South_ + Kalash_ + Khant_ + Ulchi_ @ 9.294928
17 Basque_Spanish_ + Brahui_ + Selkup_ + Tubalar_ @ 9.295701
18 Altaian_ + Basque_Spanish_ + Kalash_ + Khant_ @ 9.308357
19 Balochi_ + Basque_French_ + Khant_ + Ulchi_ @ 9.309978
20 Altaian_ + Basque_French_ + Kalash_ + Khant_ @ 9.334111

Done.

Elapsed time 119.2529 seconds.

Eurogenes K13
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Siberian 26.19
2 Baltic 24.21
3 North_Atlantic 23.48
4 West_Asian 17.10
5 East_Asian 5.22
6 Sub-Saharan 3.81


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Tatar @ 18.681999
2 Chuvash @ 23.984514
3 Mari @ 24.652222
4 Afghan_Turkmen @ 24.726574
5 Shors @ 28.103678
6 Nogay @ 28.818958
7 Uzbeki @ 28.975571
8 Kazakh @ 29.402355
9 Aghan_Hazara @ 31.711138
10 Uygur @ 32.052250
11 Hakas @ 32.092747
12 Hazara @ 33.504925
13 Moldavian @ 33.680466
14 Kirgiz @ 33.839127
15 Hungarian @ 34.303982
16 Kargopol_Russian @ 34.722748
17 Erzya @ 35.209194
18 Croatian @ 35.355377
19 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 35.446297
20 Serbian @ 35.592655

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Hakas +50% North_German @ 12.850308


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Southwest_Finnish +25% Tabassaran +25% Yakut @ 9.959872


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++
1 Chuvash + Evenki + Norwegian + Tabassaran @ 8.206764
2 Chuvash + Evenki + Swedish + Tabassaran @ 8.315027
3 Chuvash + Dolgan + Norwegian + Tabassaran @ 8.393037
4 Chuvash + Norwegian + Tabassaran + Yakut @ 8.430764
5 Chuvash + Evens + Norwegian + Tabassaran @ 8.462846
6 Chuvash + Swedish + Tabassaran + Yakut @ 8.499527
7 Chuvash + Dolgan + Swedish + Tabassaran @ 8.528902
8 Chuvash + Evens + Swedish + Tabassaran @ 8.541416
9 Mari + Norwegian + Tabassaran + Yakut @ 8.562206
10 Evenki + Mari + Norwegian + Tabassaran @ 8.634944
11 Chuvash + Evenki + Irish + Tabassaran @ 8.638327
12 Chuvash + Evenki + Tabassaran + West_Scottish @ 8.646397
13 Dolgan + Mari + Norwegian + Tabassaran @ 8.649209
14 Mari + Swedish + Tabassaran + Yakut @ 8.671575
15 Chuvash + Evenki + North_Dutch + Tabassaran @ 8.683611
16 Chuvash + Dolgan + Tabassaran + West_Scottish @ 8.732194
17 Chuvash + Dolgan + Irish + Tabassaran @ 8.745940
18 Chuvash + Evenki + Lezgin + Norwegian @ 8.751430
19 Evenki + Mari + Swedish + Tabassaran @ 8.779045
20 Chuvash + Danish + Evenki + Tabassaran @ 8.780746

Done.

Elapsed time 1.5179 seconds.



Second Göktürk:


Kit Number: Z845678

MDLP K23b:
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 18.40
2 Tungus-Altaic 14.21
3 Caucasian 14.21
4 South_East_Asian 11.25
5 European_Early_Farmers 10.80
6 South_Central_Asian 9.37
7 East_Siberian 7.77
8 Ancestral_Altaic 7.10
9 Austronesian 3.31
10 Paleo_Siberian 1.80
11 Melano_Polynesian 1.51


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Uygur-Han_ @ 16.453325
2 Tatar-Siberian_ @ 16.796291
3 Uzbek_ @ 16.834045
4 Karakalpak_ @ 17.521908
5 Crimean_Tatar_Step_ @ 17.786692
6 Bashkir_ @ 18.369026
7 Turkmen_Afghan_ @ 18.561001
8 Tajik_Tajikistan_ @ 18.713491
9 Kazahs_ @ 19.245539
10 Uygur_ @ 19.370523
11 Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 20.045439
12 Tatar_Lithuania_ @ 20.095266
13 Tatar-Lithuanian_ @ 21.414087
14 Hazara_ @ 22.721603
15 Tatar-Kazan_ @ 23.747740
16 Kazakh_ @ 23.982128
17 Chuvashs_ @ 24.119719
18 Tatar_ @ 24.130100
19 Tatar-Mishar_ @ 24.976620
20 Nogai_ @ 25.180042

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% German-Volga_ +50% Kazahs_ @ 9.071315


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Uygur_ +25% Welsh_ +25% Yukagir_Forest_ @ 6.022388


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++
1 French_ + Korean_ + Tajik_Yagnobi_ + Yukagir_Forest_ @ 4.083063
2 Chuvashs_ + Mongola_China_ + Orcadian_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.179436
3 Chuvashs_ + Mongola_China_ + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.205556
4 Chuvashs_ + Mongola_China_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ + Welsh_ @ 4.234529
5 Chuvashs_ + English_Cornwall_GBR_ + Mongola_China_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.243755
6 Korean_KR_ + Mari_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ + Welsh_ @ 4.244120
7 British_ + Chuvashs_ + Mongola_China_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.248521
8 Korean_ + Mari_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ + Welsh_ @ 4.254608
9 English_Cornwall_GBR_ + Korean_KR_ + Mari_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.261424
10 English_Cornwall_GBR_ + Korean_ + Mari_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.272351
11 English_Cornwall_GBR_ + Korean_ + Tajik_Yagnobi_ + Yukagir_Forest_ @ 4.299302
12 British_ + Korean_KR_ + Mari_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.317538
13 British_ + Korean_ + Mari_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.328025
14 Korean_KR_ + Mari_ + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.331493
15 Chuvashs_ + Korean_KR_ + Orcadian_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.339780
16 Chuvashs_ + Korean_KR_ + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.344387
17 Chuvashs_ + Orcadian_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ + Xibo_ @ 4.347588
18 Korean_ + Mari_ + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.349043
19 French_ + Mari_ + Tajik_Afghan_ + Xibo_ @ 4.357858
20 Japanese_ML_ + Mari_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ + Welsh_ @ 4.360711

Done.

Elapsed time 115.3299 seconds.

Eurogenes K13
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 21.42
2 Siberian 19.09
3 North_Atlantic 18.70
4 East_Asian 18.55
5 West_Asian 11.59
6 West_Med 5.40
7 East_Med 3.71
8 Amerindian 1.03


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Tatar @ 20.783182
2 Uygur @ 21.934755
3 Afghan_Turkmen @ 22.491089
4 Uzbeki @ 23.141068
5 Kazakh @ 23.616861
6 Aghan_Hazara @ 26.093121
7 Nogay @ 26.403139
8 Hazara @ 26.677250
9 Chuvash @ 27.743759
10 Kirgiz @ 27.754847
11 Shors @ 28.772167
12 Mari @ 30.045675
13 Moldavian @ 31.095219
14 Hakas @ 31.216671
15 Serbian @ 32.070538
16 Romanian @ 32.494301
17 Hungarian @ 32.840744
18 Croatian @ 33.251427
19 Bulgarian @ 33.463650
20 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 34.734238

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Hungarian +50% Kirgiz @ 7.607682


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Kirgiz +25% La_Brana-1 +25% Romanian @ 5.538270


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++
1 Chuvash + Nogay + Norwegian + Xibo @ 2.149634
2 Nogay + North_Swedish + Tatar + Xibo @ 2.223074
3 Hezhen + Nogay + North_Swedish + Tatar @ 2.234707
4 Chuvash + Nogay + North_Dutch + Xibo @ 2.274684
5 Chuvash + Hezhen + Nogay + Norwegian @ 2.296829
6 Chuvash + Nogay + Swedish + Xibo @ 2.335683
7 Chuvash + Danish + Nogay + Xibo @ 2.382205
8 Chuvash + Nogay + Orcadian + Xibo @ 2.389293
9 Chuvash + Hezhen + Nogay + North_Dutch @ 2.395756
10 Japanese + Mari + Nogay + Norwegian @ 2.397129
11 Japanese + Mari + Nogay + North_Dutch @ 2.439818
12 Chuvash + Danish + Hezhen + Nogay @ 2.505448
13 Chuvash + Hezhen + Nogay + Swedish @ 2.541106
14 Chuvash + Hezhen + Nogay + Orcadian @ 2.547318
15 Chuvash + Nogay + North_German + Xibo @ 2.571594
16 Chuvash + Irish + Nogay + Xibo @ 2.637760
17 Chuvash + Hezhen + Nogay + North_German @ 2.649568
18 Japanese + Mari + Nogay + Orcadian @ 2.666461
19 Chuvash + Nogay + Southeast_English + Xibo @ 2.673505
20 Danish + Japanese + Mari + Nogay @ 2.682477

Done.

Elapsed time 1.3648 seconds.

[Hudayar]

Samples are from

https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-b9f60c354789795ca642df4a17f2fc2c

[Kamal900]

As expected. The ancient oghuz Turkic peoples back in the day had west Asiatic and Nordic European admixtures, and their relations with the Yakuts prove that the Turkic peoples originally were Mongoloids from Mongolia and North-East Asia in general.

[Hudayar]

Göktürks don't cluster with modern day Turkics because their Euro component is significantly higher and their mongoloid DNA is at the same level as some Uzbeks and Afghan Turkmens (30-36%). However Uzbeks and Afghan Turkmens have Middle Eastern/Southern Indian components instead of European. Gokturks also have West Asian/Mediterranean components.

They are pretty unique genetically. Also pretty weird. I wonder what they looked like.

[Hudayar]

As expected. The ancient oghuz Turkic peoples back in the day had west Asiatic and Nordic European admixtures, and their relations with the Yakuts prove that the Turkic peoples originally were Mongoloids from Mongolia and North-East Asia in general.

The original Turkic people being pure mongoloids is not a confirmed theory yet.

These samples are really weird though. They're like what would happen if you mix a Turkic guy with Uzbek and Ugric ancestry with a hapa from Western Europe.

Also these people cannot be ancient Oghuz. They're 30-35% mongoloid only. And these people didn't even meet Afghans or Persians. If they did their descendants would be around 15-20% mongoloid which is lower than the Turkmen average.

They're either ancestors of Tatars (high european DNA) or Chuvashes.

[Hudayar]

bump

[Pahli]

Scythian and possibly some Finnic admixture too maybe. They are similar to Bashkirs though.

[Bornoz]

Wish we could stand still.

[Böri]

Awesome, just awesome. That's linked to us. Oghuz Turks were disguised folk of Western Göktürks. The continuation was direct.

Yakuts are Göktürks who moved north and mixed with Tungus, Samoyed and Mongolic Buriats. Their uncommon, mixed language prove that.
Don't listen to the Palestinian Erab's bubbles.

[Bosniensis]

Extinct

[Teutonski]

Extinct

You completly change your whole world view within days, I remember you being a strong Erdogan and Turks supporter.

[Bosniensis]

You completly change your whole world view within days, I remember you being a strong Erdogan and Turks supporter.

300.000 Turks conquered Anatolia where many millions some say 6-10 Greeks, Armenians, other Balkan and Persian people lived.

It seems to me that you don't understand that Turk =/ Turkey. Turks were the ruling class of Turkey for few centuries but now they are extinct.

Greeks are the major populace in Turkey (Genetically) i.e. Turkified Greeks and Balkan people.

The fact I hate Turan people like Gokturks has nothing to do with Turkey i.e. Successor State of Ottoman Empire.

[Hudayar]

300.000 Turks conquered Anatolia where many millions some say 6-10 Greeks, Armenians, other Balkan and Persian people lived.

It seems to me that you don't understand that Turk =/ Turkey. Turks were the ruling class of Turkey for few centuries but now they are extinct.

Greeks are the major populace in Turkey (Genetically) i.e. Turkified Greeks and Balkan people.

The fact I hate Turan people like Gokturks has nothing to do with Turkey i.e. Successor State of Ottoman Empire.

There were no Persians/Iranic peoples in Anatolia before the Turks lol.

[Marmara]

It's not strange, i was expecting such results.

First guy strangely has some Sub-saharan, probably an isolated case.

Neither two has South Asian, Turkic peoples migrating to Anatolia had some south asian, so probably they've further mixed with Central Asian İranic groups like Sogdians before moving in Anatolia.

The Siberian/East Asian ratio is very inconsistent, first guy barely has any East Asian while the second guy has equal amounts of East Asian and Siberian components. Can you make a sense for it?

[Hudayar]

It's not strange, i was expecting such results.

First guy strangely has some Sub-saharan, probably an isolated case.

Neither two has South Asian, Turkic peoples migrating to Anatolia had some south asian, so probably they've further mixed with Central Asian İranic groups like Sogdians before moving in Anatolia.

The Siberian/East Asian ratio is very inconsistent, first guy barely has any East Asian while the second guy has equal amounts of East Asian and Siberian components. Can you make a sense for it?

I noticed that "sub-saharan" DNA in samples extracted from studies is just an error. a modern Turk sample extracted from a study got 16% mongoloid and 4% Sub Saharan.

About East Asian and Siberian components, yes it's strange. It's hard to seperate Siberian from East Asian i guess.

[Proto-Shaman]

Wow, Corded-Germanic heritage confirmed + East Asian.

[Hadouken]

are göktürks the first turks ?

[Pahli]

There were no Persians/Iranic peoples in Anatolia before the Turks lol.

There was, although mostly in South Eastern Anatolia. Anatolia has hosted many different Iranic people before, Medes, Persians and even Scythians. Kurds were attested to have lived there before the arrival of the Seljuqs.

Also, the Oghuz Turks that invaded Central Asia were 50 - 60% Mongoloid at least, these samples might not even be ethnically Gökturk, but could be another Turkic tribe living under the Gokturks as history has recorded, many Türkic tribes such as the Avars were unwillingly living under the Gokturks until they fled.

[Yaglakar]

are göktürks the first turks ?

Göktürks are the real historical Türks. They perished. Türks are in fact late comers, many other Turkic speaking groups predate them.

p.s. welcome back

[Böri]

There was, although mostly in South Eastern Anatolia. Anatolia has hosted many different Iranic people before, Medes, Persians and even Scythians. Kurds were attested to have lived there before the arrival of the Seljuqs.


Show proof. Kurds were in western İran and north Iraq before the arrival of Turks. S-E Turkey and whole Mesopotamian region was dominated by Assyrians and Armenians. There were some Arab Muslim states (Mosul etc) who were controlling some parts for some times.

[Yaglakar]

Awesome, just awesome. That's linked to us. Oghuz Turks were disguised folk of Western Göktürks. The continuation was direct.

Yakuts are Göktürks who moved north and mixed with Tungus, Samoyed and Mongolic Buriats. Their uncommon, mixed language prove that.
Don't listen to the Palestinian Erab's bubbles.

ha-ha. LOL. How do you know that this is a Türk burial?

"The continuation was direct."

https://media.giphy.com/media/CoDp6NnSmItoY/giphy.gif

[Pahli]

Show proof. Kurds were in western İran and north Iraq before the arrival of Turks. S-E Turkey and whole Mesopotamian region was dominated by Assyrians and Armenians. There were some Arab Muslim states (Mosul etc) who were controlling some parts for some times.

I can't tell exactly how far they reached, but they were part of modern day Turkey fighting for both the Byzantines and the Caliphate, so you can put two and two together, but yes Assyrians and Armenians were the bigger majority in general.


ha-ha. LOL. How do you know that this is a Türk burial?

"The continuation was direct."

https://media.giphy.com/media/CoDp6NnSmItoY/giphy.gif

Who would those burials belong to then you think?

[Marmara]

Göktürk army was described by an Armenian to be hideous, swarthy and slant eyed.

[Böri]

Göktürk army was described by an Armenian to be hideous, swarthy and slant eyed.

And Greeks described that army (bulk from Khazars led by Göktürk elite) as savior. Emperor even sent his daughter to Tong as gift.
That Armenian was client of Sassanis and wasn't happy to see Turks storming into Transcaucasus, why so aggressive.

[Yaglakar]

Who would those burials belong to then you think?

No idea. OP has not posted the date of samples or complementary publications. It is my understanding that the burial is merely of Köktürk "era" which is quite ambiguous given the volatility and uncertainty of the makeup of Eastern Steppes during that time period. Türks cremated bodies or buried their dead with the horse. Kipchaks had peculiar horse burials in that the body of the deceased was placed in various positions (upright, etc). Old Uighurs/Toquz Oghuz buried their dead with a loaded bow (no horse). It is the work of archaeologists and historians to establish the origin of those burials. The possibility of non-Turkic samples should not be ruled out. The samples are not from Mongolia which raises further questions.

[Pahli]

No idea. OP has not posted the date of samples or complementary publications. It is my understanding that the burial is merely of Köktürk "era" which is quite ambiguous given the volatility and uncertainty of the makeup of Eastern Steppes during that time period. Türks cremated bodies or buried their dead with the horse. Kipchaks had peculiar horse burials in that the body of the deceased was placed in various positions (upright, etc). Old Uighurs/Toquz Oghuz buried their dead with a loaded bow (no horse). It is the work of archaeologists and historians to establish the origin of those burials. The possibility of non-Turkic samples should not be ruled out. The samples are not from Mongolia which raises further questions.

But these samples seem a bit too young and too much Mong. admixed to be an Indo-Iranian tribe this late, would be nice to see some y- and mtdna here. AFAIK Scytho-Sarmatians buried their dead with many horses, jewelry and weapons.

[Böri]

No idea. OP has not posted the date of samples or complementary publications. It is my understanding that the burial is merely of Köktürk "era" which is quite ambiguous given the volatility and uncertainty of the makeup of Eastern Steppes during that time period. Türks cremated bodies or buried their dead with the horse. Kipchaks had peculiar horse burials in that the body of the deceased was placed in various positions (upright, etc). Old Uighurs/Toquz Oghuz buried their dead with a loaded bow (no horse). It is the work of archaeologists and historians to establish the origin of those burials. The possibility of non-Turkic samples should not be ruled out. The samples are not from Mongolia which raises further questions.

You still inventing stories?
Göktürks were burrying their dead. Either directly or after burning.
Chinese sources explained that in detail.




Chinese sources provide detailed accounts of Göktürk burial ceremonies during the
sixth to eighth centuries. A Tang chronicle gives the following description of a burial
ceremony which took place in the sixth century: “They place the body in a tent, and the man’s
sons, grandsons, and other kinsmen whether man or woman sacrifice horses and sheep and
spread them before the tent. They ride around the tent seven times on horseback. They cut
their faces with knives and weep at the tent door. Mixed blood and tears run down their faces.
They repeat this ceremony seven times. Then on a certain day they bury the body with his
horse and all personal objects which he used, or burn him on a pyre. If the body is burned they
bury the ashes in his tomb on a particular day of the year. They bury those who have died in
summer in autumn, when the grass and leaves turn brown, and those who die in winter they
bury in spring when the flowers bloom and the snows have melted. On the burial day the
kinsmen of the dead person ride around on horseback, cut their faces and cry, just as they did
on the day of death. They paint pictures of the dead man and the battles in which he fought on
the walls of the structure erected over the grave. If the dead person has killed a man during his
life they place a stone over his grave. Sometimes these stones amount to one hundred or even
one thousand. After sacrificing horses and sheep they place the heads on stakes.”

https://en.unesco.org/silkroad/sites/silkroad/files/knowledge-bank-article/tomb_structure_and_burial_customs_among_the_turkis h_peoples_on_the_silk_road.pdf

[Böri]

Notice, Göktürks rode on horse 7 times around the tent (where their dead was resting before burial) as part of the funeral ceremony.
They cut themselves and mixed blood and tears.
Ceremony repeated 7 times. That's the cult of ancestors.
The Ashina clan was also going to an unknown place called Ötüken (forested hill probably), they were organizing some ceremonies at night time under moon light and the Gray Wolves howlings. They sacrificed also for the souls of their ancestors.

After Türk was Islamicized, they dropped that tradition of cult of ancestor, but now they turn 7 times around Kaba in Mecca when they go for pilgrimage. That's called tawaf.

7 is interesting and important number. :)

[Böri]

Yaglakar pretends there was no mausoleum, sarcophagus or so.
Another oxymoron. They had, for the elites, special rites.
Part of the cult of ancestors, the coffin was on higher raised mound.
When the dead was someone important, his sarcophagus was fancy.
Example here of a Yabgu burried in eastern Mongolia (Türk ruling over Mongolic subjects).


A SQUARE MONUMENT COMPLEX COMPRISING OF 14 PILLARS INSCRIBED WITH TURKIC RUNIC INSCRIPTIONS HAS BEEN DISCOVERED ON THE STEPPE AT THE ARCHAEOLOGICAL SITE OF DONGOIN SHIREE IN EASTERN MONGOLIA.

The discovery was made during a joint excavation by Osaka University and the Institute of History and Archaeology of the Mongolian Academy of Sciences on a three-year research project.

https://i.hizliresim.com/LO9AB0.jpg

It was previously believed that inscriptions were only on the steppes in the western region of Ulan Bator, however the discovery has now shed light on relationships and the tribal balances of power in eastern Mongolia in the Middle Ages.

The monument itself is of a square configuration comprising of 14 stone pillars, surrounding a sarcophagus within the centre of a raised mound.

https://i.hizliresim.com/5GW7Ad.jpg

Each inscription contains the tamga of the ancient Turkic tribes. (A tamga is an abstract seal or stamp used by Eurasian nomadic peoples).

Using radiocarbon dating of pieces of calcined coal, sheepskin, and horse bone excavated from the sarcophagus, it was estimated that the burial complex was built in the 8th century, during the late Second Ancient Turkic Qaghanate.

Professor Takashi OSAWA has been deciphering the runic text and discovered that the burial was for a Yabgu, a title of office in the early Turkic states, roughly equivalent to viceroy.

It was also found that the Yabgu became a Tölis-Shad (Royalty of the East), a commander in chief and highest administrative officer, in eastern Mongolia during the reign of Tengri Qaghan (734-741 AD).

These findings show that the site of Dongoin shiree steppe was a tribal centre of the eastern Turkic Qaghanate and reveals the power relationships of rulers in the east as well as the political and military relationships with Mongolian tribes of the region.

https://www.heritagedaily.com/2017/12/ancient-turkic-monument-complex-discovered-mongolia/117876

[Yaglakar]

That is what is said. Burned or buried with horses with body being laid down in the natural "sleeping" position. Where is proof that these are Türk burials?

By the way Türks perished before they could be Islamised. I guess Turkish school system does not teach that Türks were a separate el/bodun that perished, and directly link historical Türks to Anatolian Turks who also happen to call themselves Türk. Not even mentioning the fact that Oghuz/Toquz Oghuz/Sekiz Oghuz (natives of Mongolia) were rivals of Türks. I do not deny that some modern Turkic populations have small Türk layer springing from absorption of what was left of them. No modern Turkic population has folk memory of Türks. Wolf totem is a modern reinvented fashion that modern Turkic populations adopted in the 20th century. Ergenekon is a re-wrapped (stolen) Mongol (Genghis Khan's) myth first recorded by Rashid-al-Din.

[Böri]

That is what is said. Burned or buried with horses with body being laid down in the natural "sleeping" position. Where is proof that these are Türk burials?


Archeologists can identify. Anyway, you pretended that they were throwing ashes in the air after cremation.
Now it's proved that it wasn't like that.
Some burried normally, others burried after cremation. So, they were all burried.

[Yaglakar]

Archeologists can identify. Anyway, you pretended that they were throwing ashes in the air after cremation.
Now it's proved that it wasn't like that.
Some burried normally, others burried after cremation. So, they were all burried.

That was a beautiful exaggerated visualization where the ashes of the deceased are sprinkled to nurture the grass beneath in order to maintain the cycle of life. :)

Anyhow, the earliest Türks cremated not body inhumated their dead. Only after mid 7th century did the Türks start practicing in-ground body+horse burials. There is a 200 year gap, during which Türks cremated bodies before burying them with horses. We also know that Türks were not numerous, in mid 5th century Ashina along with 500 families left Qocho/Gaochang and Gansu settling in Altai. One needs samples of early Altai Türks.

[Yaglakar]

Here's how ethnonym Türk that was initially an autonym/self designation of a separate distinct Turkic people (who ceased to exist) became an exonym that was applied by Arabs, Persians, Greeks and Chinese to the rest of Turkic population, leading to the adoption of ethnonym Türk by other Turkic tribes.

https://i.imgur.com/JKi7a6e.png
https://i.imgur.com/ugk4xsE.png
Peter B. Golden. An Introduction to the History of the Turkic Peoples: Ethnogenesis and State-formation in Medieval and Early Modern Eurasia and the Middle East. Harrassowitz Verlag. pages 115-116

[İrle]

There was, although mostly in South Eastern Anatolia. Anatolia has hosted many different Iranic people before, Medes, Persians and even Scythians. Kurds were attested to have lived there before the arrival of the Seljuqs.

Also, the Oghuz Turks that invaded Central Asia were 50 - 60% Mongoloid at least, these samples might not even be ethnically Gökturk, but could be another Turkic tribe living under the Gokturks as history has recorded, many Türkic tribes such as the Avars were unwillingly living under the Gokturks until they fled.

Oghuz Turks were %50-60 Mongoloid AT LEAST? lel. It is clear that Turkic peoples have never been Mongoloid like Mongols, Buryats and ec. The recent studies clearly put an end to this theory.

[Pahli]

Oghuz Turks were %50-60 Mongoloid AT LEAST? lel. It is clear that Turkic peoples have never been Mongoloid like Mongols, Buryats and ec. The recent studies clearly put an end to this theory.

I'm talking about early / proto-Turkic people, prior to Indo-European migrations. Böri tried to whitewash Proto-Turkic people by claiming West Siberian hunter gatherers as Turks xD

Mongols and Turks were different, Turkic people were dominantly Siberian while Mongols were much more East Asian. Turks from 500 A.D are not the same as the Turks from 1000 B.C, the same goes for Iranians.

[İrle]

I'm talking about early / proto-Turkic people, prior to Indo-European migrations. Böri tried to whitewash Proto-Turkic people by claiming West Siberian hunter gatherers as Turks xD

Mongols and Turks were different, Turkic people were dominantly Siberian while Mongols were much more East Asian.

We don't know who were the "original" Proto-Turkic peoples. Indo-European migration goes back as further as 3.000 BC in Southern Siberia/Altai region and possiblly proto-Turkics have been mixing with Indo-Europeans ever since.

[Myanthropologies]

Göktürks don't cluster with modern day Turkics because their Euro component is significantly higher and their mongoloid DNA is at the same level as some Uzbeks and Afghan Turkmens (30-36%). However Uzbeks and Afghan Turkmens have Middle Eastern/Southern Indian components instead of European. Gokturks also have West Asian/Mediterranean components.

They are pretty unique genetically. Also pretty weird. I wonder what they looked like.
Uzbeks and Afghan Turkmens actually have a lot of steppe ancestry.

[Pahli]

We don't know who were the "original" Proto-Turkic peoples. Indo-European migration goes back as further as 3.000 BC in Southern Siberia/Altai region and possiblly proto-Turkics have been mixing with Indo-Europeans ever since.

3000 B.C? Thats too early, some of the first Indo-Europeans appeared in the Altais around the 2nd millenia B.C / 2000 B.C, the Andronovo culture basically. Many early Turkic tribes were more Caucasoid, like the Avars or Cumans, but the ones that came after were more Mongoloid in appearance like the Gökturks. It still took 2000 - 2500 years for the Turkic tribes to actually migrate Westward from the Altais / Southern Siberia, and they were neighbours to numerous Saka tribes, but it doesn't change the fact that proto-Turks were most likely dominantly Mongoloid to start with.

The same goes for pre-Iranian Central Asians, they were mostly descendants of Neolithic Iranians with some extra onge, ehg / siberian hg admix.

[İrle]

3000 B.C? Thats too early, some of the first Indo-Europeans appeared in the Altais around the 2nd millenia B.C / 2000 B.C, the Andronovo culture basically. Many early Turkic tribes were more Caucasoid, like the Avars or Cumans, but the ones that came after were more Mongoloid in appearance like the Gökturks. It still took 2000 - 2500 years for the Turkic tribes to actually migrate Westward from the Altais / Southern Siberia, and they were neighbours to numerous Saka tribes, but it doesn't change the fact that proto-Turks were most likely dominantly Mongoloid to start with.

The same goes for pre-Iranian Central Asians, they were mostly descendants of Neolithic Iranians with some extra onge, ehg / siberian hg admix.

You are forgetting Afanasievo culture which predates Andronovo. However we haven't seen any Turkic sample so far that its Mongoloid admixture reaches to %70 percent. Most Mongoloid admixed ones are around %60 percent.

[Pahli]

You are forgetting Afanasievo culture which predates Andronovo. However we haven't seen any Turkic sample so far that its Mongoloid admixture reaches to %70. Most Mongoloid admixed ones are around %60 percent.

Afansievo was proto-Tocharian, and their results are similar to Steppe people from Sintashta. Its true that most Turks aren't fully Mongoloid, but I still believe that they have gotten their Caucasoid admixture from the Steppes, they would otherwise have been much more Mongoloid if not fully.

[İrle]

Afansievo was proto-Tocharian, and their results are similar to Steppe people from Sintashta. Its true that most Turks aren't fully Mongoloid, but I still believe that they have gotten their Caucasoid admixture from the Steppes, they would otherwise have been much more Mongoloid if not fully.

Their association with Tocharians isn't clear but that doesn't change what I said, they were most likely the earliest Indo-Europeans in Altai/Southern Siberia region, which the culture dates back roughly around 3000 BC.

For the rest you have a point, what I wanted to say that their Europoid admixture is very old.

[Pahli]

Their association with Tocharians isn't clear but that doesn't change what I said, they were most likely the earliest Indo-Europeans in Altai/Southern Siberia region, which the culture dates back roughly around 3000 BC.

For the rest you have a point, what I wanted to say that their Europoid admixture is very old.

Its believed though that most of the Europoid admixture in Turkic people originates from Scythian tribes migrating East, it corresponds with burials of Scythians with heavy East Eurasian admixture and also makes sense given that Turkic people adopted similar culture and lifestyle and became nomads themselves. Not denying that Tocharians didn't mix with Proto-Turkic people, but the Tarim Basin mummies were almost fully Caucasoid which would go against the idea of Turkic people having substantial ancestry from Tocharians, instead I believe it comes from Scythians, but lets see if we get any new samples that could shine a light on that.

If anything, the Tocharians and Sakas living in the Tarim Basin were absorbed by Karakhanids / Karluk people migrating there

[Kess]

We wuz europeans and khanz

[Leto]

He is almost a 'Hapa' (the second sample). The first sample is of poor quality.
By the way, this half Kalmyk (Oirat Mongol), half Russian woman is somewhat similar to the Göktürk

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Siberian 25.82
2 Baltic 23.77
3 North_Atlantic 17.05
4 East_Asian 14.25
5 West_Asian 9.21
6 West_Med 5.75
7 East_Med 2.28
8 South_Asian 1.2
9 Oceanian 0.5
10 Red_Sea 0.17

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Tatar 18.68
2 Afghan_Turkmen 19.61
3 Kazakh 19.91
4 Uzbeki 21.12
5 Chuvash 22.23
6 Shors 22.31
7 Mari 22.63
8 Uygur 23.07
9 Kirgiz 24.34
10 Hazara 24.88
11 Hakas 24.88
12 Aghan_Hazara 25.18
13 Nogay 26.33
14 Altaian 30.4
15 Moldavian 32.67
16 Kargopol_Russian 33.61
17 Erzya 33.83
18 Serbian 34.08
19 Hungarian 34.27
20 Croatian 34.47

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 50.1% Mongolian + 49.9% South_Polish @ 3.31
2 51.5% Mongolian + 48.5% Polish @ 3.65
3 50.7% Ukrainian_Lviv + 49.3% Mongolian @ 3.67
4 64.6% Kazakh + 35.4% South_Polish @ 3.73
5 65.2% Kazakh + 34.8% Southwest_Finnish @ 3.74
6 50.2% Ukrainian + 49.8% Mongolian @ 3.83
7 65.8% Kazakh + 34.2% Polish @ 3.84
8 54.2% Altaian + 45.8% South_Polish @ 3.93
9 64.3% Kazakh + 35.7% Ukrainian @ 3.98
10 66.6% Kazakh + 33.4% Estonian @ 4.01
11 66.4% Kazakh + 33.6% Belorussian @ 4.04
12 64.7% Kazakh + 35.3% Finnish @ 4.1
13 61.8% Kirgiz + 38.2% Estonian @ 4.11
14 66.1% Kazakh + 33.9% Estonian_Polish @ 4.16
15 54.8% South_Polish + 45.2% Buryat @ 4.17
16 51.7% Mongolian + 48.3% Russian_Smolensk @ 4.19
17 59.8% Kirgiz + 40.2% Finnish @ 4.2
18 50.6% Mongolian + 49.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.24
19 66.1% Kazakh + 33.9% Russian_Smolensk @ 4.26
20 60.5% Kirgiz + 39.5% Southwest_Finnish @ 4.3


Dodecad K12b Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 31.75
2 East_Asian 21.16
3 Siberian 18.29
4 Atlantic_Med 13.02
5 Caucasus 8.66
6 Gedrosia 5.18
7 Southeast_Asian 1.21
8 Northwest_African 0.74

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Uzbeks (Behar) 21.98
2 Uygur (HGDP) 26.56
3 Chuvashs (Behar) 26.92
4 Hazara (HGDP) 28.99
5 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 31.65
6 Altai (Rasmussen) 35.57
7 Hungarians (Behar) 35.75
8 Romanians (Behar) 36.23
9 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 36.61
10 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 36.83
11 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 37.2
12 German (Dodecad) 38.03
13 Mordovians (Yunusbayev) 38.66
14 Russian (HGDP) 39.35
15 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 39.78
16 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 40.22
17 Mongol (Rasmussen) 40.44
18 Dutch (Dodecad) 40.59
19 O_Italian (Dodecad) 40.97
20 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 41

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 51.1% Mongol (Rasmussen) + 48.9% Polish (Dodecad) @ 3.76
2 50.3% Mongol (Rasmussen) + 49.7% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 4.89
3 53.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 46.9% Mongol (Rasmussen) @ 4.92
4 50.7% Mongol (Rasmussen) + 49.3% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 4.96
5 60.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 39.8% Oroqen (HGDP) @ 5.05
6 52.6% Mongol (Rasmussen) + 47.4% Belorussian (Behar) @ 5.83
7 50.7% Mongol (Rasmussen) + 49.3% Russian (Dodecad) @ 6.38
8 50.1% Altai (Rasmussen) + 49.9% Hungarians (Behar) @ 6.44
9 56.1% Polish (Dodecad) + 43.9% Oroqen (HGDP) @ 6.58
10 51% Mongol (Rasmussen) + 49% Russian_B (Behar) @ 6.77
11 57.8% Hungarians (Behar) + 42.2% Buryat (Rasmussen) @ 6.86
12 51.6% German (Dodecad) + 48.4% Mongol (Rasmussen) @ 6.99
13 54.4% Altai (Rasmussen) + 45.6% Polish (Dodecad) @ 7.09
14 51.2% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) + 48.8% Mongol (Rasmussen) @ 7.12
15 56.9% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) + 43.1% Oroqen (HGDP) @ 7.2
16 58.8% German (Dodecad) + 41.2% Oroqen (HGDP) @ 7.36
17 53.6% Polish (Dodecad) + 46.4% Buryat (Rasmussen) @ 7.46
18 50.9% Mongol (Rasmussen) + 49.1% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 7.51
19 56.6% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 43.4% Oroqen (HGDP) @ 7.62
20 53.7% Altai (Rasmussen) + 46.3% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 7.66


puntDNAL K15 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_European 34.94
2 E_Asian 22.62
3 Siberian 15.8
4 Mediterranean 12.53
5 Caucasian 9.93
6 Beringian 1.88
7 SW_Asian 1.03
8 Oceanian 0.9
9 W_African 0.32
10 S_Indian 0.05
11 Horn_Of_Africa 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bashkir 14.04
2 Uyghur 24.59
3 Chuvash 25.11
4 Hazara 26.59
5 Uzbek 27.18
6 Nogai 30.9
7 Bosnian 31.91
8 Macedonian 33.18
9 Serbian 33.44
10 Turkmen 33.6
11 Croatian 34
12 Bulgarian 34.16
13 Hungarian 34.16
14 Romanian 34.45
15 Slovenian 35.15
16 Austrian 35.4
17 Montenegrin 35.49
18 South_German 36.04
19 French 36.12
20 Irish 36.5

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 51.7% Slovenian + 48.3% Mongolian @ 3.26
2 50.3% Mongolian + 49.7% Swedish @ 3.66
3 52.4% Hungarian + 47.6% Mongolian @ 3.67
4 50.5% North_German + 49.5% Mongolian @ 3.75
5 51% Mongolian + 49% Polish @ 3.79
6 51.5% Austrian + 48.5% Mongolian @ 3.94
7 50.2% Norwegian + 49.8% Mongolian @ 4.17
8 50.8% Irish + 49.2% Mongolian @ 4.25
9 52.6% Croatian + 47.4% Mongolian @ 4.31
10 50.5% Orcadian + 49.5% Mongolian @ 4.54
11 50.1% Mongolian + 49.9% Scottish @ 4.58
12 50.4% English + 49.6% Mongolian @ 4.94
13 50.3% Russian + 49.7% Mongolian @ 5.72
14 51.7% Mongolian + 48.3% Belarusian @ 5.73
15 50.5% Mordovian + 49.5% Mongolian @ 5.98
16 50.7% Utahn_White + 49.3% Mongolian @ 6.08
17 50.4% Karelian + 49.6% Mongolian @ 6.13
18 51.1% South_German + 48.9% Mongolian @ 6.31
19 86.5% Bashkir + 13.5% Japanese @ 6.73
20 53.1% Serbian + 46.9% Mongolian @ 6.83


HarappaWorld Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE-Euro 31.94
2 Siberian 19.88
3 NE-Asian 18.81
4 Mediterranean 10.56
5 Caucasian 9.79
6 Baloch 6.54
7 Beringian 1.42
8 Papuan 0.48
9 SE-Asian 0.29
10 Pygmy 0.17
11 American 0.1
12 SW-Asian 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 uzbek (behar) 21.86
2 kazakh (harappa) 22
3 chuvash (behar) 23.54
4 uyghur (hgdp) 25.31
5 kyrgyz (xing) 26.33
6 kyrgyz (hodoglugil) 27.02
7 hazara (hgdp) 27.46
8 altaian (rasmussen) 30.21
9 nogai (yunusbayev) 30.55
10 romanian-a (behar) 31.89
11 hungarian (behar) 32.86
12 bulgarian (yunusbayev) 32.96
13 slovenian (xing) 33.41
14 mordovian (yunusbayev) 34.11
15 tajik (yunusbayev) 35.14
16 ukranian (yunusbayev) 35.49
17 mongolian (rasmussen) 36.13
18 russian (hgdp) 36.28
19 french (hgdp) 36.85
20 turk-aydin (hodoglugil) 36.86

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 50.4% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 49.6% mongolian (rasmussen) @ 2.3
2 56.9% kyrgyz (hodoglugil) + 43.1% ukranian (yunusbayev) @ 3.49
3 62% kazakh (harappa) + 38% ukranian (yunusbayev) @ 3.79
4 64.3% kazakh (harappa) + 35.7% belorussian (behar) @ 3.85
5 59.4% kyrgyz (hodoglugil) + 40.6% belorussian (behar) @ 3.89
6 63.6% kazakh (harappa) + 36.4% russian (behar) @ 4.03
7 52% slovenian (xing) + 48% mongolian (rasmussen) @ 4.12
8 52.1% mongolian (rasmussen) + 47.9% belorussian (behar) @ 4.17
9 58.6% kyrgyz (hodoglugil) + 41.4% russian (behar) @ 4.18
10 57.7% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 42.3% oroqen (hgdp) @ 4.3
11 55.3% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 44.7% buryat (xing) @ 4.3
12 51.3% mongolian (rasmussen) + 48.7% russian (behar) @ 4.54
13 55.9% kyrgyz (hodoglugil) + 44.1% mordovian (yunusbayev) @ 4.6
14 52.4% hungarian (behar) + 47.6% mongolian (rasmussen) @ 4.9
15 59.3% slovenian (xing) + 40.7% oroqen (hgdp) @ 4.91
16 51.5% mordovian (yunusbayev) + 48.5% mongolian (rasmussen) @ 4.92
17 61.2% kazakh (harappa) + 38.8% mordovian (yunusbayev) @ 4.93
18 52.6% altaian (rasmussen) + 47.4% slovenian (xing) @ 4.96
19 67.5% kazakh (harappa) + 32.5% lithuanian (behar) @ 5.05
20 56.8% slovenian (xing) + 43.2% buryat (xing) @ 5.05

I have her parents' results as well, in case anyone is interested.

[Leto]

puntDNAL K15 Oracle results:

puntDNAL K15 Oracle

Kit Z845678

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_European 32.4
2 E_Asian 28.09
3 Caucasian 13.17
4 Siberian 12.32
5 Mediterranean 12.07
6 Amerindian 0.67
7 SW_Asian 0.43
8 S_Indian 0.4
9 Horn_Of_Africa 0.35
10 Oceanian 0.12

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bashkir 19.84
2 Uyghur 21.88
3 Hazara 24.12
4 Uzbek 27.72
5 Nogai 29.17
6 Chuvash 30.99
7 Turkmen 32.11
8 Bosnian 34.61
9 Mongolian 34.99
10 Tadjik 35.74
11 Macedonian 35.78
12 Serbian 36.37
13 Bulgarian 36.58
14 Romanian 36.9
15 Croatian 37.27
16 Hungarian 37.59
17 Montenegrin 37.75
18 Greek_Thessaly 38.27
19 Slovenian 38.66
20 Greek_Central 38.78

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 51.6% Mongolian + 48.4% Croatian @ 6.41
2 51.8% Mongolian + 48.2% Hungarian @ 6.44
3 52.6% Mongolian + 47.4% Slovenian @ 6.49
4 52.7% Mongolian + 47.3% Austrian @ 6.72
5 53.4% Mongolian + 46.6% Irish @ 6.79
6 53.7% Mongolian + 46.3% North_German @ 6.99
7 53.7% Mongolian + 46.3% Orcadian @ 7.33
8 54.3% Mongolian + 45.7% Scottish @ 7.42
9 53.9% Mongolian + 46.1% English @ 7.5
10 54.7% Mongolian + 45.3% Swedish @ 7.53
11 51% Mongolian + 49% Serbian @ 7.54
12 55.3% Mongolian + 44.7% Polish @ 7.59
13 54.2% Mongolian + 45.8% Norwegian @ 7.59
14 53.4% Mongolian + 46.6% Utahn_White @ 7.89
15 80.1% Bashkir + 19.9% Japanese @ 7.9
16 53.1% Mongolian + 46.9% South_German @ 8.03
17 76.6% Bashkir + 23.4% Filipino @ 8.23
18 78.1% Bashkir + 21.9% Vietnamese @ 8.47
19 78.6% Bashkir + 21.4% Chinese @ 8.71
20 50.3% Bosnian + 49.7% Mongolian @ 8.71

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Croatian +50% Mongolian @ 6.895642


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Chuvash +25% Nogai +25% Japanese @ 4.741364


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Finnish + Bashkir + Nogai + Chinese @ 3.089928
2 Karelian + Bashkir + Nogai + Chinese @ 3.259276
3 Russian + Bashkir + Nogai + Chinese @ 3.318000
4 Mordovian + Bashkir + Nogai + Chinese @ 3.378223
5 Belarusian + Bashkir + Nogai + Chinese @ 3.810902
6 Polish + Bashkir + Nogai + Chinese @ 3.982836
7 Lithuanian + Bashkir + Nogai + Chinese @ 3.996492
8 Serbian + Bashkir + Bashkir + Chinese @ 4.055414
9 Chuvash + Bashkir + Greek_Central + Japanese @ 4.080146
10 Chuvash + Bashkir + Greek_Thessaly + Japanese @ 4.105836
11 Swedish + Chuvash + Nogai + Chinese @ 4.135643
12 Mordovian + Chuvash + Nogai + Chinese @ 4.137942
13 Russian + Chuvash + Nogai + Chinese @ 4.165519
14 Norwegian + Chuvash + Nogai + Chinese @ 4.169159
15 Karelian + Chuvash + Nogai + Chinese @ 4.179464
16 North_German + Chuvash + Nogai + Chinese @ 4.219981
17 Swedish + Bashkir + Nogai + Chinese @ 4.266217
18 Macedonian + Bashkir + Bashkir + Chinese @ 4.314135
19 Slovenian + Chuvash + Nogai + Chinese @ 4.321648
20 Chuvash + Bashkir + Greek_Central + Chinese @ 4.330569

[Vlatko Vukovic]

The original Turkic people being pure mongoloids is not a confirmed theory yet.

These samples are really weird though. They're like what would happen if you mix a Turkic guy with Uzbek and Ugric ancestry with a hapa from Western Europe.

Also these people cannot be ancient Oghuz. They're 30-35% mongoloid only. And these people didn't even meet Afghans or Persians. If they did their descendants would be around 15-20% mongoloid which is lower than the Turkmen average.

They're either ancestors of Tatars (high european DNA) or Chuvashes.

But, really, what they could be if the proto-Turkic has been spoken about 500th year BC in East Asia? :)

I don't say it is confirmed or not, but it's my opinion.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

I'm talking about early / proto-Turkic people, prior to Indo-European migrations. Böri tried to whitewash Proto-Turkic people by claiming West Siberian hunter gatherers as Turks xD

Mongols and Turks were different, Turkic people were dominantly Siberian while Mongols were much more East Asian. Turks from 500 A.D are not the same as the Turks from 1000 B.C, the same goes for Iranians.

Proto-Turkic has been spoken about 500th BC, and is not attested the early period. So is there a theory that proto-Turkic was earlier developed from the proto-Altaic before 500th year BC ?

[Böri]

Pahli the agriculturalist Tat is still masturbating mentally. Proto-Turks formed around 2500 BC when Okunevo culture Siberians mixed with Europoid dolycocephalic Afanesovans who were lost in the taigas.

[Proto-Shaman]

Pahli the agriculturalist Tat is still masturbating mentally. Proto-Turks formed around 2500 BC when Okunevo culture Siberians mixed with Europoid dolycocephalic Afanesovans who were lost in the taigas.
Weren't Okunevos Turanid Aryans invading India?

[Leto]

Also somewhat similar - half Kyrgyz, half Russian/East Slavic, if anyone's interested

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 24.67
2 Siberian 17.93
3 North_Atlantic 16.34
4 East_Asian 13.6
5 West_Asian 9.58
6 East_Med 6.26
7 West_Med 5.14
8 South_Asian 3.52
9 Amerindian 1.98
10 Oceanian 0.49
11 Northeast_African 0.39
12 Red_Sea 0.1

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Tatar 14.56
2 Afghan_Turkmen 19.5
3 Uzbeki 20.32
4 Chuvash 20.62
5 Uygur 22.01
6 Nogay 23.08
7 Mari 23.19
8 Aghan_Hazara 23.91
9 Hazara 25.08
10 Kazakh 25.62
11 Moldavian 26.09
12 Serbian 27.49
13 Romanian 27.83
14 Croatian 28.14
15 Hungarian 28.19
16 Bulgarian 28.55
17 Shors 28.75
18 Ukrainian_Lviv 29.07
19 Kargopol_Russian 29.14
20 Erzya 29.32

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 50.2% Kirgiz + 49.8% Ukrainian @ 3.42
2 50.6% Kirgiz + 49.4% South_Polish @ 3.43
3 50.4% Ukrainian_Lviv + 49.6% Kirgiz @ 3.57
4 52.4% Kazakh + 47.6% Croatian @ 3.9
5 51.3% Croatian + 48.7% Kirgiz @ 4
6 52.4% Kirgiz + 47.6% Polish @ 4.09
7 51.1% Kirgiz + 48.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.09
8 50.9% Kirgiz + 49.1% Southwest_Russian @ 4.12
9 54.3% Kazakh + 45.7% South_Polish @ 4.25
10 80.4% Tatar + 19.6% Tu @ 4.35
11 53.9% Kazakh + 46.1% Ukrainian @ 4.35
12 53.2% Kazakh + 46.8% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.41
13 50.5% Kazakh + 49.5% Moldavian @ 4.56
14 52.7% Kirgiz + 47.3% Russian_Smolensk @ 4.58
15 81.8% Tatar + 18.2% Japanese @ 4.64
16 82.2% Tatar + 17.8% Naxi @ 4.74
17 52.8% Kirgiz + 47.2% Estonian_Polish @ 4.78
18 82.4% Tatar + 17.6% Yizu @ 4.82
19 53.2% Kirgiz + 46.8% Belorussian @ 4.82
20 80.1% Tatar + 19.9% Xibo @ 4.85

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Kirgiz +50% Ukrainian @ 3.716244

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Kirgiz +25% Lithuanian +25% Serbian @ 2.868968

Using 4 populations approximation:

1 Croatian + Mongolian + Southwest_Russian + Uygur @ 1.824994
2 Belorussian + Moldavian + Mongolian + Uygur @ 1.886144
3 Belorussian + Croatian + Mongolian + Uygur @ 1.900428
4 Lithuanian + Mongolian + Serbian + Uygur @ 1.976773
5 Hungarian + Mongolian + Southwest_Russian + Uygur @ 2.052974
6 Croatian + Estonian_Polish + Mongolian + Uygur @ 2.058641
7 Croatian + Mongolian + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Uygur @ 2.170125
8 Estonian_Polish + Moldavian + Mongolian + Uygur @ 2.186709
9 Mongolian + South_Polish + Southwest_Russian + Uygur @ 2.223711
10 Croatian + Mongolian + Russian_Smolensk + Uygur @ 2.257377
11 Estonian_Polish + Hungarian + Mongolian + Uygur @ 2.264826
12 Hungarian + Mongolian + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Uygur @ 2.269966
13 Erzya + Hungarian + Mongolian + Uygur @ 2.302048
14 Belorussian + Hungarian + Mongolian + Uygur @ 2.367426
15 Estonian + Moldavian + Mongolian + Uygur @ 2.375645
16 Lithuanian + Moldavian + Mongolian + Uygur @ 2.379522
17 Bulgarian + Hakas + La_Brana-1 + Uygur @ 2.380803
18 Mongolian + South_Polish + Ukrainian + Uygur @ 2.443451
19 Moldavian + Mongolian + Russian_Smolensk + Uygur @ 2.457331
20 Moldavian + Mongolian + Southwest_Russian + Uygur @ 2.469725


MDLP K16 Modern Oracle results:


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NorthEastEuropean 18.22
2 Siberian 16.3
3 Caucasian 15.83
4 Steppe 14.16
5 Neolithic 14.13
6 SouthEastAsian 13.22
7 Indian 3.32
8 Amerindian 2.2
9 Oceanic 1.73
10 Arctic 0.91

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Lipka_Tatar (Belorus) 5.89
2 Bashkir (Kildigulovo) 8.71
3 Bashkir (Ilbragimovo) 9.58
4 Tatars (Tatarstan) 10.5
5 Bashkir (Bashkortostan) 11.39
6 Bashkir (Ufa) 11.7
7 Bashkir (Akyar) 12.34
8 Bashkir (Muradymovo) 12.43
9 Kryashen (Bashkortostan) 13.99
10 Mishar-Tatar (Mordovia) 14.89
11 Mari (Mari_El) 15.25
12 Udmurd (Udmurtia) 15.95
13 Komi (Komi_Republic) 16.39
14 Forest_Yukaghir (Kolyma) 16.41
15 Turkmen (Shumanay) 16.87
16 Turkmen (Xojayli) 17.22
17 Chuvash (Chuvashia) 17.99
18 Uzbek (Uzbekistan) 18.23
19 Karakalpak (Karakalpakstan) 18.97
20 Turkmen (Afghanistan) 19.19

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 53.5% Sorb (Lusatia) + 46.5% Kyrgyz (Tong) @ 2.16
2 54.5% Ukrainians_west (WestUkraine) + 45.5% Kyrgyz (Tong) @ 2.18
3 54.2% Slovak (Slovakia) + 45.8% Kyrgyz (Tong) @ 2.32
4 54.5% Ukrainian (Ukraine) + 45.5% Kyrgyz (Tong) @ 2.33
5 53.5% Pole (Wroclaw) + 46.5% Kyrgyz (Kyrgyzstan) @ 2.5
6 50.1% Kazakh (Kazakhstan) + 49.9% Ukrainians_east (EastUkraine) @ 2.51
7 53.9% Ukrainians_west (WestUkraine) + 46.1% Kyrgyz (Naryn) @ 2.57
8 52.3% Sorb (Lusatia) + 47.7% Kyrgyz (Kyrgyzstan) @ 2.58
9 53.9% Ukrainians_east (EastUkraine) + 46.1% Kyrgyz (Tong) @ 2.59
10 52.5% Kazakh (Tien_Shan) + 47.5% Pole (EastPoland) @ 2.61
11 53.7% Belarusian (Kobryn_Brest) + 46.3% Kyrgyz (Tong) @ 2.63
12 53% Slovak (Slovakia) + 47% Kyrgyz (Kyrgyzstan) @ 2.64
13 52.9% Kazakh (Tien_Shan) + 47.1% Sorb (Lusatia) @ 2.65
14 50.7% Pole (Wroclaw) + 49.3% Kazakh (Kazakhstan) @ 2.66
15 50.5% Ukrainians_west (WestUkraine) + 49.5% Kazakh (Kazakhstan) @ 2.67
16 53.3% Ukrainians_west (WestUkraine) + 46.7% Kyrgyz (Kyrgyzstan) @ 2.69
17 52.3% Kazakh (Tien_Shan) + 47.7% Slovak (Slovakia) @ 2.75
18 55.5% Russian_cossack (Kuban) + 44.5% Kyrgyz (Tong) @ 2.81
19 51.1% Kyrgyz (Murgab) + 48.9% Swede (Sweden) @ 2.88
20 54% Hungarian (Hungary) + 46% Kyrgyz (Naryn) @ 2.89

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Kazakh_Kazakhstan +50% Ukrainians_east_EastUkraine @ 2.461470

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Kazakh_Kazakhstan +25% Pole_Wroclaw +25% Ukrainians_east_EastUkraine @ 2.291830

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Dutch_Netherlands + Kazakh_Tien_Shan + Kyrgyz_Tong + Ukrainians_east_EastUkraine @ 1.775737
2 Kazakh_Tien_Shan + Kyrgyz_Tong + Pole_EastPoland + Sorb_Lusatia @ 1.830070
3 German_Lipsian_(Saxony) + Kazakh_Tien_Shan + Kyrgyz_Tong + Ukrainians_east_EastUkraine @ 1.834640
4 Kazakh_Tien_Shan + Kyrgyz_Tong + Pole_EastPoland + Pole_EastPoland @ 1.854596
5 Kazakh_Tien_Shan + Kyrgyz_Tong + Pole_EastPoland + Pole_WestPoland @ 1.913800
6 Kazakh_Tien_Shan + Kyrgyz_Tong + Scottish_Dumfries_Galloway + Ukrainians_east_EastUkraine @ 1.934591
7 Kazakh_Tien_Shan + Kyrgyz_Tong + Pole_EastPoland + Ukrainians_west_WestUkraine @ 1.946788
8 Kazakh_Tien_Shan + Kyrgyz_Tong + Scottish_Fife + Ukrainians_east_EastUkraine @ 1.951135
9 Kazakh_Tien_Shan + Kyrgyz_Tong + Pole_EastPoland + Ukrainians_east_EastUkraine @ 1.955882
10 Kazakh_Tien_Shan + Kyrgyz_Tong + Pole_Wroclaw + Sorb_Lusatia @ 1.961856
11 Mongol_Khalkha + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Turkmen_Shumanay + Ukrainians_east_EastUkraine @ 1.965171
12 Kazakh_Tien_Shan + Kyrgyz_Tong + Pole_Wroclaw + Pole_EastPoland @ 1.977349
13 Kazakh_Tien_Shan + Kyrgyz_Tong + Sorb_Lusatia + Sorb_Lusatia @ 1.983553
14 Icelandic_Iceland + Mongol_Khalkha + Turkmen_Xojayli + Ukrainians_east_EastUkraine @ 1.994754
15 Icelandic_Iceland + Mongol_Khalkha + Turkmen_Shumanay + Ukrainians_east_EastUkraine @ 1.998231
16 Kazakh_Tien_Shan + Kyrgyz_Tong + Pole_EastPoland + Slovak_Slovakia @ 2.008148
17 Kazakh_Tien_Shan + Kyrgyz_Tong + Pole_WestPoland + Sorb_Lusatia @ 2.011027
18 Kazakh_Tien_Shan + Kyrgyz_Tong + Sorb_Lusatia + Ukrainians_west_WestUkraine @ 2.022615
19 Mongol_Khalkha + Norwegian_Norwegia + Turkmen_Shumanay + Ukrainians_east_EastUkraine @ 2.027291
20 Mongol_Khalkha + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Turkmen_Xojayli + Ukrainians_east_EastUkraine @ 2.028637


puntDNAL K15 Oracle results:


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_European 37.41
2 E_Asian 21.98
3 Mediterranean 12.85
4 Caucasian 10.43
5 Siberian 9.64
6 S_Indian 2.38
7 SW_Asian 1.81
8 Amerindian 1.54
9 Oceanian 0.76
10 Horn_Of_Africa 0.71
11 Beringian 0.38
12 S_African 0.1

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bashkir 15.77
2 Chuvash 24.8
3 Uyghur 27.2
4 Bosnian 28.21
5 Uzbek 29.01
6 Hazara 29.36
7 Serbian 29.61
8 Macedonian 29.78
9 Croatian 29.89
10 Hungarian 30.05
11 Nogai 30.77
12 Bulgarian 30.81
13 Romanian 31.07
14 Slovenian 31.11
15 Austrian 31.28
16 South_German 32.24
17 Montenegrin 32.24
18 French 32.48
19 Irish 32.5
20 Utahn_White 32.75

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 58.6% Hungarian + 41.4% Mongolian @ 5.29
2 57.7% Slovenian + 42.3% Mongolian @ 5.32
3 57.6% Austrian + 42.4% Mongolian @ 5.49
4 58.8% Croatian + 41.2% Mongolian @ 5.76
5 54.7% Polish + 45.3% Mongolian @ 5.81
6 56.4% North_German + 43.6% Mongolian @ 5.84
7 55.3% Swedish + 44.7% Mongolian @ 6.1
8 56.7% Irish + 43.3% Mongolian @ 6.14
9 56% Norwegian + 44% Mongolian @ 6.3
10 56.4% Orcadian + 43.6% Mongolian @ 6.45
11 55.7% Scottish + 44.3% Mongolian @ 6.63
12 56.2% English + 43.8% Mongolian @ 6.9
13 53.9% Belarusian + 46.1% Mongolian @ 7.58
14 56.6% Utahn_White + 43.4% Mongolian @ 7.92
15 59.9% Uyghur + 40.1% Lithuanian @ 8.03
16 57.7% Uyghur + 42.3% Belarusian @ 8.05
17 57% South_German + 43% Mongolian @ 8.11
18 56.9% Uyghur + 43.1% Polish @ 8.3
19 59.3% Serbian + 40.7% Mongolian @ 8.37
20 51.6% Lithuanian + 48.4% Mongolian @ 8.64

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Polish +50% Mongolian @ 7.007404


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Chuvash +25% Macedonian +25% Filipino @ 1.968633

Using 4 populations approximation:

1 Chuvash + Chuvash + Macedonian + Filipino @ 1.968633
2 Chuvash + Chuvash + Romanian + Filipino @ 1.972086
3 Chuvash + Chuvash + Bulgarian + Filipino @ 2.036185
4 Chuvash + Chuvash + Montenegrin + Filipino @ 2.080895
5 Chuvash + Chuvash + Italian + Filipino @ 2.363200
6 Chuvash + Chuvash + Bosnian + Filipino @ 2.541147
7 Chuvash + Chuvash + Romanian + Vietnamese @ 2.665951
8 Chuvash + Chuvash + Greek_Thessaly + Filipino @ 2.682543
9 Chuvash + Chuvash + Macedonian + Vietnamese @ 2.696081
10 Chuvash + Chuvash + Romanian + Cambodian @ 2.734603
11 Chuvash + Chuvash + Montenegrin + Cambodian @ 2.736157
12 Chuvash + Chuvash + Bulgarian + Vietnamese @ 2.760050
13 Chuvash + Chuvash + Bulgarian + Cambodian @ 2.762945
14 Chuvash + Chuvash + Montenegrin + Vietnamese @ 2.768585
15 Chuvash + Chuvash + Macedonian + Cambodian @ 2.796291
16 Chuvash + Chuvash + Italian + Cambodian @ 2.830220
17 Chuvash + Chuvash + Italian + Vietnamese @ 2.923594
18 Chuvash + Chuvash + Serbian + Filipino @ 3.009671
19 Chuvash + Chuvash + Albanian + Filipino @ 3.063580
20 Chuvash + Chuvash + Greek_Thessaly + Cambodian @ 3.065799



Dodecad K12b Oracle results:


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 31.41
2 East_Asian 17.78
3 Atlantic_Med 13.81
4 Siberian 13.23
5 Caucasus 11.28
6 Gedrosia 5.48
7 Southeast_Asian 3.25
8 South_Asian 2.58
9 Southwest_Asian 1.09
10 East_African 0.1

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Uzbeks (Behar) 22.05
2 Chuvashs (Behar) 26.36
3 Uygur (HGDP) 26.98
4 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 28.2
5 Hazara (HGDP) 29.97
6 Romanians (Behar) 30.09
7 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 30.52
8 Hungarians (Behar) 30.67
9 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 30.9
10 German (Dodecad) 33.44
11 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 33.47
12 O_Italian (Dodecad) 35.33
13 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 35.5
14 Mordovians (Yunusbayev) 35.6
15 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 36.17
16 Dutch (Dodecad) 36.49
17 Russian (HGDP) 36.72
18 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 36.94
19 N_Italian (Dodecad) 37.14
20 French (Dodecad) 37.16

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 60.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 39.9% Mongol (Rasmussen) @ 5.51
2 66.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 33.8% Oroqen (HGDP) @ 6.12
3 67.6% Hungarians (Behar) + 32.4% Daur (HGDP) @ 7.87
4 57.8% Hungarians (Behar) + 42.2% Altai (Rasmussen) @ 8.03
5 56.5% Hazara (HGDP) + 43.5% Polish (Dodecad) @ 8.13
6 64.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 35.5% Buryat (Rasmussen) @ 8.36
7 54.6% Polish (Dodecad) + 45.4% Mongol (Rasmussen) @ 8.45
8 55.5% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) + 44.5% Mongol (Rasmussen) @ 8.53
9 53.5% Uygur (HGDP) + 46.5% Hungarians (Behar) @ 8.59
10 58.2% German (Dodecad) + 41.8% Mongol (Rasmussen) @ 8.6
11 67.8% Hungarians (Behar) + 32.2% Hezhen (HGDP) @ 8.79
12 56.2% Hazara (HGDP) + 43.8% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 8.8
13 64.8% Uzbeks (Behar) + 35.2% Polish (Dodecad) @ 8.8
14 59.4% Uygur (HGDP) + 40.6% Polish (Dodecad) @ 8.81
15 55.6% Hazara (HGDP) + 44.4% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 8.83
16 58.5% Hazara (HGDP) + 41.5% Belorussian (Behar) @ 9.14
17 50.6% Hazara (HGDP) + 49.4% Hungarians (Behar) @ 9.16
18 65.1% Uzbeks (Behar) + 34.9% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 9.24
19 64.5% German (Dodecad) + 35.5% Oroqen (HGDP) @ 9.31
20 56.9% Hazara (HGDP) + 43.1% Russian_B (Behar) @ 9.4

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Hungarians_Behar +50% Uygur_HGDP @ 8.800996

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Chuvashs_Behar +25% N_Italian_Dodecad +25% Tu_HGDP @ 2.972477

Using 4 populations approximation:

1 Chuvashs_Behar + Chuvashs_Behar + N_Italian_Dodecad + Tu_HGDP @ 2.972477
2 Chuvashs_Behar + Chuvashs_Behar + Mongola_HGDP + N_Italian_Dodecad @ 3.008260
3 Chuvashs_Behar + Chuvashs_Behar + North_Italian_HGDP + Tu_HGDP @ 3.070038
4 Chuvashs_Behar + Chuvashs_Behar + Mongola_HGDP + North_Italian_HGDP @ 3.100525
5 Chuvashs_Behar + Chuvashs_Behar + Mongola_HGDP + TSI30_Metspalu @ 3.280724
6 Chuvashs_Behar + Chuvashs_Behar + TSI30_Metspalu + Tu_HGDP @ 3.310282
7 Hungarians_Behar + Mongol_Rasmussen + Polish_Dodecad + Uygur_HGDP @ 3.422369
8 Chuvashs_Behar + Chuvashs_Behar + N_Italian_Dodecad + Xibo_HGDP @ 3.462974
9 Chuvashs_Behar + Chuvashs_Behar + Mongola_HGDP + Tuscan_HGDP @ 3.516221
10 Chuvashs_Behar + Chuvashs_Behar + Tu_HGDP + Tuscan_HGDP @ 3.568881
11 Chuvashs_Behar + Chuvashs_Behar + North_Italian_HGDP + Xibo_HGDP @ 3.608378
12 German_Dodecad + Mongol_Rasmussen + Ukranians_Yunusbayev + Uygur_HGDP @ 3.715493
13 Hazara_HGDP + Hungarians_Behar + Mongol_Rasmussen + Polish_Dodecad @ 3.759351
14 Hungarians_Behar + Oroqen_HGDP + Polish_Dodecad + Uzbeks_Behar @ 3.777021
15 Lithuanians_Behar + Mongol_Rasmussen + N_Italian_Dodecad + Uygur_HGDP @ 3.790023
16 Chuvashs_Behar + Chuvashs_Behar + TSI30_Metspalu + Xibo_HGDP @ 3.805638
17 Hungarians_Behar + Mongol_Rasmussen + Ukranians_Yunusbayev + Uygur_HGDP @ 3.808544
18 Chuvashs_Behar + Chuvashs_Behar + O_Italian_Dodecad + Tu_HGDP @ 3.821253
19 German_Dodecad + Oroqen_HGDP + Ukranians_Yunusbayev + Uzbeks_Behar @ 3.834746
20 Chuvashs_Behar + Chuvashs_Behar + Mongola_HGDP + O_Italian_Dodecad @ 3.839373

[Norka]

Awesome, just awesome. That's linked to us. Oghuz Turks were disguised folk of Western Göktürks. The continuation was direct.

Yakuts are Göktürks who moved north and mixed with Tungus, Samoyed and Mongolic Buriats. Their uncommon, mixed language prove that.
Don't listen to the Palestinian Erab's bubbles.

Shut the fuck up you chimapanzee you are nothing like them you cooked unit.

[FilhoV]

Great post always good to see rare samples

[Dobruja]

Okay this is pretty fucking strange

Kit Number: M853162

MDLP K23b
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Ancestral_Altaic 17.74
2 South_Central_Asian 17.10
3 European_Early_Farmers 16.39
4 East_Siberian 14.88
5 Tungus-Altaic 12.61
6 Paleo_Siberian 6.37
7 European_Hunters_Gatherers 5.48
8 African_Pygmy 3.18
9 Austronesian 3.18
10 South_Indian 1.91
11 Arctic 1.17


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Tatar-Siberian_ @ 25.830357
2 Turkmen_Afghan_ @ 27.721422
3 Hakas_ @ 29.268610
4 Uzbek_ @ 29.390339
5 Uygur-Han_ @ 29.516068
6 Kazahs_ @ 29.528652
7 Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 29.720247
8 Uygur_ @ 30.356359
9 Hazara_ @ 30.458311
10 Bashkir_ @ 30.783096
11 Karakalpak_ @ 31.954903
12 Tajik_Tajikistan_ @ 32.058510
13 Kazakh_ @ 33.263103
14 Tajik_Afghan_ @ 33.476501
15 Kyrgyz_Bishkek_ @ 34.646530
16 Altaian_ @ 35.060577
17 Uzbek_Afghan_ @ 35.178288
18 Kyrgyz_ @ 36.818623
19 Udmurd_ @ 37.276569
20 Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan_ @ 37.287052

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Hakas_ +50% Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan_ @ 21.550112


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Hakas_ +25% Kalash_ +25% Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS_ @ 12.959104


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Basque_French_ + Kalash_ + Khant_ + Ulchi_ @ 8.175221
2 Basque_Spanish_ + Kalash_ + Khant_ + Ulchi_ @ 8.210481
3 Kalash_ + Khant_ + Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS_ + Ulchi_ @ 8.302074
4 Basque_Spanish_ + Brahui_ + Ket_ + Tubalar_ @ 8.922079
5 Basque_French_ + Brahui_ + Ket_ + Tubalar_ @ 8.934705
6 Basque_Spanish_ + Kalash_ + Ket_ + Tubalar_ @ 9.048072
7 Basque_French_ + Brahui_ + Khant_ + Ulchi_ @ 9.066896
8 Brahui_ + Ket_ + Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS_ + Tubalar_ @ 9.092713
9 Basque_French_ + Kalash_ + Ket_ + Tubalar_ @ 9.133452
10 Basque_Spanish_ + Brahui_ + Khant_ + Ulchi_ @ 9.174991
11 Balochi_ + Basque_French_ + Ket_ + Tubalar_ @ 9.202107
12 Brahui_ + Khant_ + Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS_ + Ulchi_ @ 9.229880
13 Basque_French_ + Brahui_ + Selkup_ + Tubalar_ @ 9.234098
14 Balochi_ + Basque_Spanish_ + Ket_ + Tubalar_ @ 9.234982
15 Kalash_ + Ket_ + Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS_ + Tubalar_ @ 9.237841
16 French_South_ + Kalash_ + Khant_ + Ulchi_ @ 9.294928
17 Basque_Spanish_ + Brahui_ + Selkup_ + Tubalar_ @ 9.295701
18 Altaian_ + Basque_Spanish_ + Kalash_ + Khant_ @ 9.308357
19 Balochi_ + Basque_French_ + Khant_ + Ulchi_ @ 9.309978
20 Altaian_ + Basque_French_ + Kalash_ + Khant_ @ 9.334111

Done.

Elapsed time 119.2529 seconds.

Eurogenes K13
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Siberian 26.19
2 Baltic 24.21
3 North_Atlantic 23.48
4 West_Asian 17.10
5 East_Asian 5.22
6 Sub-Saharan 3.81


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Tatar @ 18.681999
2 Chuvash @ 23.984514
3 Mari @ 24.652222
4 Afghan_Turkmen @ 24.726574
5 Shors @ 28.103678
6 Nogay @ 28.818958
7 Uzbeki @ 28.975571
8 Kazakh @ 29.402355
9 Aghan_Hazara @ 31.711138
10 Uygur @ 32.052250
11 Hakas @ 32.092747
12 Hazara @ 33.504925
13 Moldavian @ 33.680466
14 Kirgiz @ 33.839127
15 Hungarian @ 34.303982
16 Kargopol_Russian @ 34.722748
17 Erzya @ 35.209194
18 Croatian @ 35.355377
19 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 35.446297
20 Serbian @ 35.592655

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Hakas +50% North_German @ 12.850308


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Southwest_Finnish +25% Tabassaran +25% Yakut @ 9.959872


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++
1 Chuvash + Evenki + Norwegian + Tabassaran @ 8.206764
2 Chuvash + Evenki + Swedish + Tabassaran @ 8.315027
3 Chuvash + Dolgan + Norwegian + Tabassaran @ 8.393037
4 Chuvash + Norwegian + Tabassaran + Yakut @ 8.430764
5 Chuvash + Evens + Norwegian + Tabassaran @ 8.462846
6 Chuvash + Swedish + Tabassaran + Yakut @ 8.499527
7 Chuvash + Dolgan + Swedish + Tabassaran @ 8.528902
8 Chuvash + Evens + Swedish + Tabassaran @ 8.541416
9 Mari + Norwegian + Tabassaran + Yakut @ 8.562206
10 Evenki + Mari + Norwegian + Tabassaran @ 8.634944
11 Chuvash + Evenki + Irish + Tabassaran @ 8.638327
12 Chuvash + Evenki + Tabassaran + West_Scottish @ 8.646397
13 Dolgan + Mari + Norwegian + Tabassaran @ 8.649209
14 Mari + Swedish + Tabassaran + Yakut @ 8.671575
15 Chuvash + Evenki + North_Dutch + Tabassaran @ 8.683611
16 Chuvash + Dolgan + Tabassaran + West_Scottish @ 8.732194
17 Chuvash + Dolgan + Irish + Tabassaran @ 8.745940
18 Chuvash + Evenki + Lezgin + Norwegian @ 8.751430
19 Evenki + Mari + Swedish + Tabassaran @ 8.779045
20 Chuvash + Danish + Evenki + Tabassaran @ 8.780746

Done.

Elapsed time 1.5179 seconds.



Second Göktürk:


Kit Number: Z845678

MDLP K23b:
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 18.40
2 Tungus-Altaic 14.21
3 Caucasian 14.21
4 South_East_Asian 11.25
5 European_Early_Farmers 10.80
6 South_Central_Asian 9.37
7 East_Siberian 7.77
8 Ancestral_Altaic 7.10
9 Austronesian 3.31
10 Paleo_Siberian 1.80
11 Melano_Polynesian 1.51


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Uygur-Han_ @ 16.453325
2 Tatar-Siberian_ @ 16.796291
3 Uzbek_ @ 16.834045
4 Karakalpak_ @ 17.521908
5 Crimean_Tatar_Step_ @ 17.786692
6 Bashkir_ @ 18.369026
7 Turkmen_Afghan_ @ 18.561001
8 Tajik_Tajikistan_ @ 18.713491
9 Kazahs_ @ 19.245539
10 Uygur_ @ 19.370523
11 Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 20.045439
12 Tatar_Lithuania_ @ 20.095266
13 Tatar-Lithuanian_ @ 21.414087
14 Hazara_ @ 22.721603
15 Tatar-Kazan_ @ 23.747740
16 Kazakh_ @ 23.982128
17 Chuvashs_ @ 24.119719
18 Tatar_ @ 24.130100
19 Tatar-Mishar_ @ 24.976620
20 Nogai_ @ 25.180042

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% German-Volga_ +50% Kazahs_ @ 9.071315


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Uygur_ +25% Welsh_ +25% Yukagir_Forest_ @ 6.022388


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++
1 French_ + Korean_ + Tajik_Yagnobi_ + Yukagir_Forest_ @ 4.083063
2 Chuvashs_ + Mongola_China_ + Orcadian_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.179436
3 Chuvashs_ + Mongola_China_ + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.205556
4 Chuvashs_ + Mongola_China_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ + Welsh_ @ 4.234529
5 Chuvashs_ + English_Cornwall_GBR_ + Mongola_China_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.243755
6 Korean_KR_ + Mari_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ + Welsh_ @ 4.244120
7 British_ + Chuvashs_ + Mongola_China_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.248521
8 Korean_ + Mari_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ + Welsh_ @ 4.254608
9 English_Cornwall_GBR_ + Korean_KR_ + Mari_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.261424
10 English_Cornwall_GBR_ + Korean_ + Mari_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.272351
11 English_Cornwall_GBR_ + Korean_ + Tajik_Yagnobi_ + Yukagir_Forest_ @ 4.299302
12 British_ + Korean_KR_ + Mari_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.317538
13 British_ + Korean_ + Mari_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.328025
14 Korean_KR_ + Mari_ + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.331493
15 Chuvashs_ + Korean_KR_ + Orcadian_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.339780
16 Chuvashs_ + Korean_KR_ + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.344387
17 Chuvashs_ + Orcadian_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ + Xibo_ @ 4.347588
18 Korean_ + Mari_ + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.349043
19 French_ + Mari_ + Tajik_Afghan_ + Xibo_ @ 4.357858
20 Japanese_ML_ + Mari_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ + Welsh_ @ 4.360711

Done.

Elapsed time 115.3299 seconds.

Eurogenes K13
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 21.42
2 Siberian 19.09
3 North_Atlantic 18.70
4 East_Asian 18.55
5 West_Asian 11.59
6 West_Med 5.40
7 East_Med 3.71
8 Amerindian 1.03


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Tatar @ 20.783182
2 Uygur @ 21.934755
3 Afghan_Turkmen @ 22.491089
4 Uzbeki @ 23.141068
5 Kazakh @ 23.616861
6 Aghan_Hazara @ 26.093121
7 Nogay @ 26.403139
8 Hazara @ 26.677250
9 Chuvash @ 27.743759
10 Kirgiz @ 27.754847
11 Shors @ 28.772167
12 Mari @ 30.045675
13 Moldavian @ 31.095219
14 Hakas @ 31.216671
15 Serbian @ 32.070538
16 Romanian @ 32.494301
17 Hungarian @ 32.840744
18 Croatian @ 33.251427
19 Bulgarian @ 33.463650
20 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 34.734238

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Hungarian +50% Kirgiz @ 7.607682


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Kirgiz +25% La_Brana-1 +25% Romanian @ 5.538270


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++
1 Chuvash + Nogay + Norwegian + Xibo @ 2.149634
2 Nogay + North_Swedish + Tatar + Xibo @ 2.223074
3 Hezhen + Nogay + North_Swedish + Tatar @ 2.234707
4 Chuvash + Nogay + North_Dutch + Xibo @ 2.274684
5 Chuvash + Hezhen + Nogay + Norwegian @ 2.296829
6 Chuvash + Nogay + Swedish + Xibo @ 2.335683
7 Chuvash + Danish + Nogay + Xibo @ 2.382205
8 Chuvash + Nogay + Orcadian + Xibo @ 2.389293
9 Chuvash + Hezhen + Nogay + North_Dutch @ 2.395756
10 Japanese + Mari + Nogay + Norwegian @ 2.397129
11 Japanese + Mari + Nogay + North_Dutch @ 2.439818
12 Chuvash + Danish + Hezhen + Nogay @ 2.505448
13 Chuvash + Hezhen + Nogay + Swedish @ 2.541106
14 Chuvash + Hezhen + Nogay + Orcadian @ 2.547318
15 Chuvash + Nogay + North_German + Xibo @ 2.571594
16 Chuvash + Irish + Nogay + Xibo @ 2.637760
17 Chuvash + Hezhen + Nogay + North_German @ 2.649568
18 Japanese + Mari + Nogay + Orcadian @ 2.666461
19 Chuvash + Nogay + Southeast_English + Xibo @ 2.673505
20 Danish + Japanese + Mari + Nogay @ 2.682477

Done.

Elapsed time 1.3648 seconds.

There are 2 variants: Either Gedmatch is the biggest failure of the universe, or that "GokTurk" is not really "GokTurk".

[Altaylı]

ultra interesting results

[pourple2q]

As expected. The ancient oghuz Turkic peoples back in the day had west Asiatic and Nordic European admixtures, and their relations with the Yakuts prove that the Turkic peoples originally were Mongoloids from Mongolia and North-East Asia in general.

If the Turks were in Mongolia, who lived in Central Asia (Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Uyghur, Tatar, Turkmen) ?

[pourple2q]

Where were these DNA samples found?

[Multicolor]

Okay this is pretty fucking strange

Kit Number: M853162

MDLP K23b
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Ancestral_Altaic 17.74
2 South_Central_Asian 17.10
3 European_Early_Farmers 16.39
4 East_Siberian 14.88
5 Tungus-Altaic 12.61
6 Paleo_Siberian 6.37
7 European_Hunters_Gatherers 5.48
8 African_Pygmy 3.18
9 Austronesian 3.18
10 South_Indian 1.91
11 Arctic 1.17


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Tatar-Siberian_ @ 25.830357
2 Turkmen_Afghan_ @ 27.721422
3 Hakas_ @ 29.268610
4 Uzbek_ @ 29.390339
5 Uygur-Han_ @ 29.516068
6 Kazahs_ @ 29.528652
7 Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 29.720247
8 Uygur_ @ 30.356359
9 Hazara_ @ 30.458311
10 Bashkir_ @ 30.783096
11 Karakalpak_ @ 31.954903
12 Tajik_Tajikistan_ @ 32.058510
13 Kazakh_ @ 33.263103
14 Tajik_Afghan_ @ 33.476501
15 Kyrgyz_Bishkek_ @ 34.646530
16 Altaian_ @ 35.060577
17 Uzbek_Afghan_ @ 35.178288
18 Kyrgyz_ @ 36.818623
19 Udmurd_ @ 37.276569
20 Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan_ @ 37.287052

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Hakas_ +50% Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan_ @ 21.550112


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Hakas_ +25% Kalash_ +25% Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS_ @ 12.959104


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Basque_French_ + Kalash_ + Khant_ + Ulchi_ @ 8.175221
2 Basque_Spanish_ + Kalash_ + Khant_ + Ulchi_ @ 8.210481
3 Kalash_ + Khant_ + Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS_ + Ulchi_ @ 8.302074
4 Basque_Spanish_ + Brahui_ + Ket_ + Tubalar_ @ 8.922079
5 Basque_French_ + Brahui_ + Ket_ + Tubalar_ @ 8.934705
6 Basque_Spanish_ + Kalash_ + Ket_ + Tubalar_ @ 9.048072
7 Basque_French_ + Brahui_ + Khant_ + Ulchi_ @ 9.066896
8 Brahui_ + Ket_ + Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS_ + Tubalar_ @ 9.092713
9 Basque_French_ + Kalash_ + Ket_ + Tubalar_ @ 9.133452
10 Basque_Spanish_ + Brahui_ + Khant_ + Ulchi_ @ 9.174991
11 Balochi_ + Basque_French_ + Ket_ + Tubalar_ @ 9.202107
12 Brahui_ + Khant_ + Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS_ + Ulchi_ @ 9.229880
13 Basque_French_ + Brahui_ + Selkup_ + Tubalar_ @ 9.234098
14 Balochi_ + Basque_Spanish_ + Ket_ + Tubalar_ @ 9.234982
15 Kalash_ + Ket_ + Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS_ + Tubalar_ @ 9.237841
16 French_South_ + Kalash_ + Khant_ + Ulchi_ @ 9.294928
17 Basque_Spanish_ + Brahui_ + Selkup_ + Tubalar_ @ 9.295701
18 Altaian_ + Basque_Spanish_ + Kalash_ + Khant_ @ 9.308357
19 Balochi_ + Basque_French_ + Khant_ + Ulchi_ @ 9.309978
20 Altaian_ + Basque_French_ + Kalash_ + Khant_ @ 9.334111

Done.

Elapsed time 119.2529 seconds.

Eurogenes K13
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Siberian 26.19
2 Baltic 24.21
3 North_Atlantic 23.48
4 West_Asian 17.10
5 East_Asian 5.22
6 Sub-Saharan 3.81


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Tatar @ 18.681999
2 Chuvash @ 23.984514
3 Mari @ 24.652222
4 Afghan_Turkmen @ 24.726574
5 Shors @ 28.103678
6 Nogay @ 28.818958
7 Uzbeki @ 28.975571
8 Kazakh @ 29.402355
9 Aghan_Hazara @ 31.711138
10 Uygur @ 32.052250
11 Hakas @ 32.092747
12 Hazara @ 33.504925
13 Moldavian @ 33.680466
14 Kirgiz @ 33.839127
15 Hungarian @ 34.303982
16 Kargopol_Russian @ 34.722748
17 Erzya @ 35.209194
18 Croatian @ 35.355377
19 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 35.446297
20 Serbian @ 35.592655

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Hakas +50% North_German @ 12.850308


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Southwest_Finnish +25% Tabassaran +25% Yakut @ 9.959872


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++
1 Chuvash + Evenki + Norwegian + Tabassaran @ 8.206764
2 Chuvash + Evenki + Swedish + Tabassaran @ 8.315027
3 Chuvash + Dolgan + Norwegian + Tabassaran @ 8.393037
4 Chuvash + Norwegian + Tabassaran + Yakut @ 8.430764
5 Chuvash + Evens + Norwegian + Tabassaran @ 8.462846
6 Chuvash + Swedish + Tabassaran + Yakut @ 8.499527
7 Chuvash + Dolgan + Swedish + Tabassaran @ 8.528902
8 Chuvash + Evens + Swedish + Tabassaran @ 8.541416
9 Mari + Norwegian + Tabassaran + Yakut @ 8.562206
10 Evenki + Mari + Norwegian + Tabassaran @ 8.634944
11 Chuvash + Evenki + Irish + Tabassaran @ 8.638327
12 Chuvash + Evenki + Tabassaran + West_Scottish @ 8.646397
13 Dolgan + Mari + Norwegian + Tabassaran @ 8.649209
14 Mari + Swedish + Tabassaran + Yakut @ 8.671575
15 Chuvash + Evenki + North_Dutch + Tabassaran @ 8.683611
16 Chuvash + Dolgan + Tabassaran + West_Scottish @ 8.732194
17 Chuvash + Dolgan + Irish + Tabassaran @ 8.745940
18 Chuvash + Evenki + Lezgin + Norwegian @ 8.751430
19 Evenki + Mari + Swedish + Tabassaran @ 8.779045
20 Chuvash + Danish + Evenki + Tabassaran @ 8.780746

Done.

Elapsed time 1.5179 seconds.



Second Göktürk:


Kit Number: Z845678

MDLP K23b:
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 18.40
2 Tungus-Altaic 14.21
3 Caucasian 14.21
4 South_East_Asian 11.25
5 European_Early_Farmers 10.80
6 South_Central_Asian 9.37
7 East_Siberian 7.77
8 Ancestral_Altaic 7.10
9 Austronesian 3.31
10 Paleo_Siberian 1.80
11 Melano_Polynesian 1.51


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Uygur-Han_ @ 16.453325
2 Tatar-Siberian_ @ 16.796291
3 Uzbek_ @ 16.834045
4 Karakalpak_ @ 17.521908
5 Crimean_Tatar_Step_ @ 17.786692
6 Bashkir_ @ 18.369026
7 Turkmen_Afghan_ @ 18.561001
8 Tajik_Tajikistan_ @ 18.713491
9 Kazahs_ @ 19.245539
10 Uygur_ @ 19.370523
11 Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 20.045439
12 Tatar_Lithuania_ @ 20.095266
13 Tatar-Lithuanian_ @ 21.414087
14 Hazara_ @ 22.721603
15 Tatar-Kazan_ @ 23.747740
16 Kazakh_ @ 23.982128
17 Chuvashs_ @ 24.119719
18 Tatar_ @ 24.130100
19 Tatar-Mishar_ @ 24.976620
20 Nogai_ @ 25.180042

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% German-Volga_ +50% Kazahs_ @ 9.071315


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Uygur_ +25% Welsh_ +25% Yukagir_Forest_ @ 6.022388


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++
1 French_ + Korean_ + Tajik_Yagnobi_ + Yukagir_Forest_ @ 4.083063
2 Chuvashs_ + Mongola_China_ + Orcadian_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.179436
3 Chuvashs_ + Mongola_China_ + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.205556
4 Chuvashs_ + Mongola_China_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ + Welsh_ @ 4.234529
5 Chuvashs_ + English_Cornwall_GBR_ + Mongola_China_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.243755
6 Korean_KR_ + Mari_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ + Welsh_ @ 4.244120
7 British_ + Chuvashs_ + Mongola_China_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.248521
8 Korean_ + Mari_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ + Welsh_ @ 4.254608
9 English_Cornwall_GBR_ + Korean_KR_ + Mari_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.261424
10 English_Cornwall_GBR_ + Korean_ + Mari_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.272351
11 English_Cornwall_GBR_ + Korean_ + Tajik_Yagnobi_ + Yukagir_Forest_ @ 4.299302
12 British_ + Korean_KR_ + Mari_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.317538
13 British_ + Korean_ + Mari_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.328025
14 Korean_KR_ + Mari_ + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.331493
15 Chuvashs_ + Korean_KR_ + Orcadian_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.339780
16 Chuvashs_ + Korean_KR_ + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.344387
17 Chuvashs_ + Orcadian_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ + Xibo_ @ 4.347588
18 Korean_ + Mari_ + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.349043
19 French_ + Mari_ + Tajik_Afghan_ + Xibo_ @ 4.357858
20 Japanese_ML_ + Mari_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ + Welsh_ @ 4.360711

Done.

Elapsed time 115.3299 seconds.

Eurogenes K13
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 21.42
2 Siberian 19.09
3 North_Atlantic 18.70
4 East_Asian 18.55
5 West_Asian 11.59
6 West_Med 5.40
7 East_Med 3.71
8 Amerindian 1.03


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Tatar @ 20.783182
2 Uygur @ 21.934755
3 Afghan_Turkmen @ 22.491089
4 Uzbeki @ 23.141068
5 Kazakh @ 23.616861
6 Aghan_Hazara @ 26.093121
7 Nogay @ 26.403139
8 Hazara @ 26.677250
9 Chuvash @ 27.743759
10 Kirgiz @ 27.754847
11 Shors @ 28.772167
12 Mari @ 30.045675
13 Moldavian @ 31.095219
14 Hakas @ 31.216671
15 Serbian @ 32.070538
16 Romanian @ 32.494301
17 Hungarian @ 32.840744
18 Croatian @ 33.251427
19 Bulgarian @ 33.463650
20 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 34.734238

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Hungarian +50% Kirgiz @ 7.607682


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Kirgiz +25% La_Brana-1 +25% Romanian @ 5.538270


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++
1 Chuvash + Nogay + Norwegian + Xibo @ 2.149634
2 Nogay + North_Swedish + Tatar + Xibo @ 2.223074
3 Hezhen + Nogay + North_Swedish + Tatar @ 2.234707
4 Chuvash + Nogay + North_Dutch + Xibo @ 2.274684
5 Chuvash + Hezhen + Nogay + Norwegian @ 2.296829
6 Chuvash + Nogay + Swedish + Xibo @ 2.335683
7 Chuvash + Danish + Nogay + Xibo @ 2.382205
8 Chuvash + Nogay + Orcadian + Xibo @ 2.389293
9 Chuvash + Hezhen + Nogay + North_Dutch @ 2.395756
10 Japanese + Mari + Nogay + Norwegian @ 2.397129
11 Japanese + Mari + Nogay + North_Dutch @ 2.439818
12 Chuvash + Danish + Hezhen + Nogay @ 2.505448
13 Chuvash + Hezhen + Nogay + Swedish @ 2.541106
14 Chuvash + Hezhen + Nogay + Orcadian @ 2.547318
15 Chuvash + Nogay + North_German + Xibo @ 2.571594
16 Chuvash + Irish + Nogay + Xibo @ 2.637760
17 Chuvash + Hezhen + Nogay + North_German @ 2.649568
18 Japanese + Mari + Nogay + Orcadian @ 2.666461
19 Chuvash + Nogay + Southeast_English + Xibo @ 2.673505
20 Danish + Japanese + Mari + Nogay @ 2.682477

Done.

Elapsed time 1.3648 seconds.

Is Göktürk true? Where did you get this? Where exactly were they found?

[Kaspias]

Is Göktürk true? Where did you get this? Where exactly were they found?

In Dobruja.

[Multicolor]

In Dobruja.

If you know how to say it, you're not funny; and for the fact that you are amused by everyone if when someone tries to find your origins it makes you live in this identity. Too few real-Turk for us. We prefer to listen to those who do not mock and bring true studies, such as Martine Robbeets. I notice that you post incessantly that R1a and R1b are Turkish; but no one will take it seriously. Because you're not serious

And if you make fun of even those who bring evidence to the Turks, to help them find their identity; I can easily understand why the Turks broke up and are no longer one people and one language. This is exactly what the Pecheneg Khans wrote about you when they tried to unite you; and some Turks joined the Chinese and other populations. This is exactly why the origin of the Turks is considered to be there. And, I hope so. Because you don't want another.

[Kaspias]

If you know how to say it, you're not funny; and for the fact that you are amused by everyone if when someone tries to find your origins it makes you live in this identity. Too few real-Turk for us. We prefer to listen to those who do not mock and bring true studies, such as Martine Robbeets. I notice that you post incessantly that R1a and R1b are Turkish; but no one will take it seriously. Because you're not serious

And if you make fun of even those who bring evidence to the Turks, to help them find their identity; I can easily understand why the Turks broke up and are no longer one people and one language. This is exactly what the Pecheneg Khans wrote about you when they tried to unite you; and some Turks joined the Chinese and other populations. This is exactly why the origin of the Turks is considered to be there. And, I hope so. Because you don't want another.

Imagine coming to the forum and introducing yourself as if you're Gagauz and speaking Turkish despite you're not and you don't, then spreading your fictional beliefs regarding the origin of Turks and Gokturks that claim 0% Asian origin, and then imagine again these all because your village is named Pecheneg.

I was the person who offered help at the first stage, and I actually share some similar views with you related to your own origin. But I see now you're just a troll. So, that's what you deserve.

[Multicolor]

Imagine coming to the forum and introducing yourself as if you're Gagauz and speaking Turkish despite you're not and you don't, then spreading your fictional beliefs regarding the origin of Turks and Gokturks that claim 0% Asian origin, and then imagine again these all because your village is named Pecheneg.

I was the person who offered help at the first stage, and I actually share some similar views with you related to your own origin. But I see now you're just a troll. So, that's what you deserve.

106107
Good luck in mockery.

[Leto]

...
Hey, please share your Euro K13 results in this thread
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?282351-Post-Eurogenes-K13-Fresh-thread/page41

[Kaspias]

106107
Good luck in mockery.

Thanks

Btw just to stop you from needless effort, your village is not present in 1514.

https://i.ibb.co/WFj10rn/xaw.png

The two red stars I draw named "Turcoia"(top) and "Pecenegea"(bottom) named by the Romanian state afterward and do not suggest historical origin.

The neighbor villages Koyunpınarı, Aygırahmed, Karacalar, Hacıbabatakyesi, and Ağca are of Yörük origin, Hasançi and Rahmançi are of Bulgarian origin, Rumbeyi and Umur, as well as Maçin, is of Romanian origin. Those new villages probably built with the recent migrations from neighbour villages(Bulgarian, Gagauz) and recent comer Vlachs from the inner Balkans.

[Multicolor]

https://povestilemariinegre.ro/razboiul-pecenegilor-si-povestea-celor-doi-hani-tyrah-si-kegen/
https://povestilemariinegre.ro/pecineaga-oastea-hanului-kegen-2/
https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pecenegi
http://arheologie.ulbsibiu.ro/publicatii/bibliotheca/relatii%20interetnice%20in%20transilvania/6%20madgearu/articol1.htm

The founding of the village probably began before 1514.

The fact that my village was not registered until 1514 is for the simple fact that at that time it was not written, or no recordings were made, or at least the records older than 1514 did not last until today.
In 1514, the village was not created, but it already had an existence (we do not know the duration).

But we know that the Pechenegs arrived in Dobrogea in 944.
But before they arrived here, some groups of Pechenegs were already active:

934 - The Pechenegs ally with the Hungarians in invading Byzantine Thrace.
20.VIII.917 - On the river Achebi, between Anhialos and Messembria, the Bulgarian tsar Simion, allied with the Pechenegs, defeats the Byzantine army.
917 - The Pechenegs are incited to attack Bulgaria, but Admiral Romanus Lecapenus fails to transport them across the Danube.

We know when they make their entrances in Romania, and probably in those days they arrived in Dobrogea or at its borders:

'' 903-905 The Pechenegs advance and occupy Oltenia (the Giaxihopon tribe) and Banat; in Transylvania, near Alba Iulia, the Pecheneg tribe Gyula settles ''
+
"894 - The Pechenegs, allied with the Bulgarians, push the Hungarians from Atelkuzu beyond the Carpathians into the territory of today's Hungary."

Source: https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pecenegi

As for the village of Turcoaia, this is my neighboring village, it was also founded by the Pechenegs and you can even reach it on foot, very quickly.

However, I believe that the origin of my village Peceneaga is in 1048 '' At the head of the Belemarius and Pagunan peoples, he leaves the camp of the Great Inn (moved in the meantime to the Muntenian Plain) and passes to Dobrogea. He goes directly to the Byzantines who receive him very well, interested in the services of an experienced soldier. Kegen agrees to become a Christian with his subjects and Emperor Constantine IX Monomahul calls him a patrician and offers him three fortresses on the Danube bank of the Danube and a large tract of land in the North and West of Dobrogea. ''

And yes, my village is located in that place. There was probably a fortress, but it is certainly now in the ground. Since 1000 years have passed, full of wars. Especially since Dobrogea has always been a battlefield, perhaps among the largest in the world, due to its strategic position but also access to the Black Sea.
A house was probably built over the remaining bricks, a few decades after the collapse.

But, here is the area, the year, and I have historical evidence. (See link)

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Hey, please share your Euro K13 results in this thread
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?282351-Post-Eurogenes-K13-Fresh-thread/page41

Population
North_Atlantic 20.65 Pct
Baltic 26.7 Pct
West_Med 17.19 Pct
West_Asian 10.49 Pct
East_Med 19.25 Pct
Red_Sea 2.39 Pct
South_Asian 0.44 Pct
East_Asian 0.37 Pct
Siberian 0.84 Pct
Amerindian 1.01 Pct
Oceanian 0.08 Pct
Northeast_African 0.59 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

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Imagine coming to the forum and introducing yourself as if you're Gagauz and speaking Turkish despite you're not and you don't, then spreading your fictional beliefs regarding the origin of Turks and Gokturks that claim 0% Asian origin, and then imagine again these all because your village is named Pecheneg.

I was the person who offered help at the first stage, and I actually share some similar views with you related to your own origin. But I see now you're just a troll. So, that's what you deserve.

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Fazla tutkulu :D

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You are Siberian + Chinese