Kreis Oder-Spree German GEDmatch results

[Peterski]

Just received this kit from a German friend (who is also interested in Slavic-German borderland genetics).

Here is what he says:

"A German, indigenous to Beeskow in Brandenburg and surrounding villages. This is north of Sorbian-inhabited lands. She is incredibly eastern-shifted and we have already checked Non-Parental Event theories, but both birth date and matches contradict that."

Beeskow is located in Oder-Spree county:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oder-Spree

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beeskow

I cannot share the kit number but I will show you calculator results:

Eurogenes K15 results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 29.71
2 North_Sea 21.17
3 Eastern_Euro 18.3
4 Atlantic 13.29
5 West_Med 10.76
6 West_Asian 4.51
7 East_Med 1.78
8 Oceanian 0.38
9 Sub-Saharan 0.1

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Ukrainian 3.99
2 Ukrainian_Lviv 4.53
3 South_Polish 5.53
4 Polish 7.03
5 Russian_Smolensk 7.89
6 Ukrainian_Belgorod 8.05
7 Southwest_Russian 8.2
8 Estonian_Polish 8.6
9 Belorussian 8.66
10 Croatian 9.12
11 Moldavian 10.36
12 Lithuanian 10.41
13 Estonian 10.74
14 Hungarian 11.72
15 Kargopol_Russian 12.55
16 Erzya 13.96
17 East_German 14.09
18 Finnish 14.43
19 East_Finnish 14.69
20 Austrian 14.75

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 97.7% Ukrainian + 2.3% Sardinian @ 3.83
2 94.7% Ukrainian + 5.3% Lithuanian @ 3.96
3 97.6% Ukrainian + 2.4% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.99
4 99.9% Ukrainian + 0.1% Estonian_Polish @ 3.99
5 100% Ukrainian + 0% Abhkasian @ 3.99
6 100% Ukrainian + 0% Adygei @ 3.99
7 100% Ukrainian + 0% Afghan_Hazara @ 3.99
8 100% Ukrainian + 0% Afghan_Pashtun @ 3.99
9 100% Ukrainian + 0% Afghan_Tadjik @ 3.99
10 100% Ukrainian + 0% Afghan_Turkmen @ 3.99
11 100% Ukrainian + 0% Afghan_Uzbeki @ 3.99
12 100% Ukrainian + 0% Algerian @ 3.99
13 100% Ukrainian + 0% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.99
14 100% Ukrainian + 0% Altaian @ 3.99
15 100% Ukrainian + 0% Anzick-1 @ 3.99
16 100% Ukrainian + 0% Armenian @ 3.99
17 100% Ukrainian + 0% Ashkenazi @ 3.99
18 100% Ukrainian + 0% Assyrian @ 3.99
19 100% Ukrainian + 0% Austrian @ 3.99
20 100% Ukrainian + 0% Austroasiatic_Ho @ 3.99

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Ukrainian +50% Ukrainian @ 4.439430

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Ukrainian +25% Ukrainian +25% Ukrainian @ 4.439430

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 4.439430
2 Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.471796
3 Lithuanian + Moldavian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 4.547744
4 Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Lviv + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.594061
5 Lithuanian + Moldavian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.682652
6 South_Polish + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 4.742546
7 Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Lviv + Ukrainian_Lviv + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.791743
8 Croatian + Lithuanian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 4.798506
9 South_Polish + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.802196
10 Estonian_Polish + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.845155
11 Estonian_Polish + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Lviv + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.847467
12 Lithuanian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.863238
13 Croatian + Lithuanian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.885532
14 Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.892732
15 Lithuanian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Lviv + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.894652
16 Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.894753
17 Lithuanian + Moldavian + Ukrainian_Lviv + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.899324
18 Russian_Smolensk + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.900961
19 Russian_Smolensk + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 4.901641
20 Lithuanian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 4.910690

Eurogenes K13 results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 44.48
2 North_Atlantic 26.89
3 West_Med 14.49
4 East_Med 6.27
5 West_Asian 5.94
6 Oceanian 0.74
7 East_Asian 0.72
8 Sub-Saharan 0.29
9 Amerindian 0.17

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Ukrainian 3.23
2 Ukrainian_Lviv 4.38
3 South_Polish 5.26
4 Polish 5.69
5 Southwest_Russian 6.77
6 Russian_Smolensk 7.11
7 Ukrainian_Belgorod 7.24
8 Estonian_Polish 7.46
9 Croatian 8.32
10 Belorussian 8.47
11 Kargopol_Russian 11.27
12 Moldavian 11.29
13 Lithuanian 11.82
14 Estonian 12.42
15 Hungarian 13.07
16 Erzya 13.36
17 East_German 14.3
18 Southwest_Finnish 14.37
19 Finnish 14.48
20 East_Finnish 15.28

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89% Russian_Smolensk + 11% Sardinian @ 2.82
2 97.8% Ukrainian + 2.2% Sardinian @ 3
3 98.2% Ukrainian + 1.8% Bulgarian @ 3.2
4 95.2% Ukrainian + 4.8% Croatian @ 3.2
5 98.8% Ukrainian + 1.2% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.2
6 99.2% Ukrainian + 0.8% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.21
7 99.3% Ukrainian + 0.7% Moroccan @ 3.21
8 99.1% Ukrainian + 0.9% Central_Greek @ 3.21
9 99.3% Ukrainian + 0.7% Mozabite_Berber @ 3.21
10 99.4% Ukrainian + 0.6% Tunisian @ 3.21
11 99% Ukrainian + 1% North_Italian @ 3.21
12 99.2% Ukrainian + 0.8% East_Sicilian @ 3.21
13 99.3% Ukrainian + 0.7% South_Italian @ 3.21
14 99.4% Ukrainian + 0.6% Cyprian @ 3.21
15 99.3% Ukrainian + 0.7% West_Sicilian @ 3.21
16 99.2% Ukrainian + 0.8% Tuscan @ 3.21
17 99.2% Ukrainian + 0.8% Southwest_French @ 3.21
18 99.5% Ukrainian + 0.5% Algerian @ 3.21
19 99.5% Ukrainian + 0.5% Italian_Jewish @ 3.22
20 99.8% Ukrainian + 0.2% Papuan @ 3.22

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Ukrainian +50% Ukrainian @ 3.419875

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Ukrainian +25% Ukrainian +25% Ukrainian @ 3.419875

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 3.419875
2 Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.628341
3 Croatian + Estonian_Polish + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 3.632538
4 Lithuanian + Moldavian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 3.705760
5 Croatian + Russian_Smolensk + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 3.730692
6 Croatian + Lithuanian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 3.732702
7 Croatian + Croatian + Lithuanian + Ukrainian @ 3.804101
8 Belorussian + Croatian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 3.871650
9 South_Polish + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 3.873945
10 Polish + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 3.878186
11 Croatian + Lithuanian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.905402
12 Estonian_Polish + Moldavian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 3.917010
13 Croatian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 3.917245
14 Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Lviv + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.926836
15 Croatian + Polish + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 3.931651
16 Croatian + Estonian_Polish + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.935736
17 Lithuanian + Moldavian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.973464
18 Croatian + Southwest_Russian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 3.981524
19 Croatian + Croatian + Estonian_Polish + Lithuanian @ 3.992914
20 Estonian_Polish + Moldavian + Polish + Ukrainian @ 3.998319

[Peterski]

Can this be real?

If there is no any Non-Parental Event involved, then it must be a 100% pure "Slavic Survivor" from Early Middle Ages.

[Leto]

What are his 23andme or FTDNA or MyHeritage results? He doesn't seem to be German at all.

[Peterski]

What are his 23andme or FTDNA or MyHeritage results?

This is a woman. Will ask about her FTDNA results.


He doesn't seem to be German at all.

Well this area was Slavic in the Early Middle Ages.

But her recent ancestors are all German-speakers with German surnames.

[Not a Cop]

Well if she's really native it's surprising indeed.

[Peterski]

Well if she's really native it's surprising indeed.

Maybe she represents "pure West Slavic" genetics from times before the Wendish Crusade and the Ostsiedlung.

If so, then it probably means that Early Slavs were like modern Ukrainians - and not like modern Belarusians.

Or, alternatively, it can also mean that modern Ukrainians are not fully Slavic.

Hopefully we will get some Early Medieval Slavic DNA from Germany soon:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?258847-Early-Medieval-Slavic-DNA-from-Germany


Slavic burials from 9th-11th century (radiocarbon-dated) with fully preserved skeletons:

https://www.wochenspiegel-web.de/autothumb/620x400/Neue_Gleise_auf_alten_Wegen_slawisches.jpg

https://www.wochenspiegel-web.de/autothumb/620x400/Neue_Gleise_auf_alten_Wegen_slawisches.jpg

^^^ Radiocarbon dating:

https://s14.postimg.cc/qc68brtht/Screen_Hunter_2341_Apr._23_10.10.jpg

The burial site is in Niederwünsch near Leipzig.

They should be similar to modern Sorbs (unless Sorbs are heavily German-admixed):

https://s14.postimg.cc/5fa074awh/Screen_Hunter_2342_Apr._23_10.15.jpg

They should collect DNA samples from these individuals ASAP.

[Coastal Elite]

That is the most east shifted German I have ever seen.

[Peterski]

Here is what she gets in MDLP K16 (this one gives her more western-shifted results):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NorthEastEuropean 32.93
2 Neolithic 25.8
3 Caucasian 20.37
4 Steppe 20.37
5 Siberian 0.5
6 Oceanic 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Sorb (Lusatia) 2.85
2 Pole (WestPoland) 3.05
3 Pole (EastPoland) 3.62
4 Belarusian (Zhytkavichy_Homel) 3.72
5 Ukrainian (Ukraine) 4.27
6 Slovak (Slovakia) 4.31
7 Pole (Wroclaw) 4.4
8 Belarusian (Kobryn_Brest) 4.6
9 Ukrainians_west (WestUkraine) 4.69
10 Swede (Sweden) 4.71
11 Ukrainians_north (NorthUkraine) 4.91
12 Belarusian (Belarus) 4.99
13 Ukrainians_east (EastUkraine) 5.32
14 German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) 5.39
15 Russian (CentralRussia) 5.54
16 Dutch (Netherlands) 5.55
17 Russian_cossack (Kuban) 5.62
18 Hungarian (Hungary) 5.66
19 Pole (Poland) 5.74
20 German (Germany) 6

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 57% Lithuanian (Lithuania) + 43% German (Germany) @ 1.91
2 56% Latvian (Latvia) + 44% German (Germany) @ 2.43
3 62.4% Lithuanian (Lithuania) + 37.6% French (France) @ 2.49
4 68.1% Sorb (Lusatia) + 31.9% Belarusian (Zhytkavichy_Homel) @ 2.55
5 87% Sorb (Lusatia) + 13% Latvian_Dobele (Dobele) @ 2.57
6 90.1% Belarusian (Belarus) + 9.9% Sardinian (Sardinia) @ 2.58
7 64.9% Belarusian (Zhytkavichy_Homel) + 35.1% Dutch (Netherlands) @ 2.61
8 86.7% Sorb (Lusatia) + 13.3% Latvian (Latvia) @ 2.61
9 69.3% Belarusian (Belarus) + 30.7% German (Germany) @ 2.61
10 86.9% Belarusian (Belarus) + 13.1% Spanish (Pais_Vasco) @ 2.61
11 86.4% Sorb (Lusatia) + 13.6% Lithuanian (Lithuania) @ 2.62
12 73.7% Belarusian (Belarus) + 26.3% French (France) @ 2.63
13 88.5% Sorb (Lusatia) + 11.5% Estonian (Estonia) @ 2.64
14 53.7% Estonian (Estonia) + 46.3% German (Germany) @ 2.64
15 51.3% Pole (EastPoland) + 48.7% Belarusian (Zhytkavichy_Homel) @ 2.65
16 86% Sorb (Lusatia) + 14% Norwegian (Norwegia) @ 2.66
17 87.9% Sorb (Lusatia) + 12.1% Icelandic (Iceland) @ 2.68
18 84.1% Belarusian (Belarus) + 15.9% Spanish (Aragon) @ 2.69
19 73% Lithuanian (Lithuania) + 27% Spanish (Baleares) @ 2.7
20 82.9% Sorb (Lusatia) + 17.1% Belarusian (Belarus) @ 2.72

And in MDLP K23b she gets (also more western-shifted than in Eurogenes K13/K15):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 50.88
2 Caucasian 26.87
3 European_Early_Farmers 13.51
4 Ancestral_Altaic 1.7
5 South_Central_Asian 1.65
6 North_African 1.46
7 Near_East 1.42
8 South_East_Asian 0.84
9 Australoid 0.68
10 Tungus-Altaic 0.24
11 East_Siberian 0.2
12 Amerindian 0.18
13 Archaic_Human 0.12
14 Archaic_African 0.09
15 Austronesian 0.09
16 Melano_Polynesian 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kashub ( ) 2.15
2 Slovak ( ) 2.57
3 Sorb ( ) 2.82
4 Czech ( ) 3.91
5 Ukrainian_West ( ) 4.98
6 Hungarian_Budapest ( ) 5.48
7 German ( ) 5.49
8 Hungarian ( ) 5.52
9 Slovenian ( ) 5.88
10 Russian-North-West ( ) 6.39
11 Belarusian_West ( ) 6.73
12 Russian-West ( ) 6.84
13 Belarusian-East ( ) 7.03
14 Russian_North ( ) 7.08
15 Ukrainian_Center ( ) 7.53
16 Russian_South ( ) 7.63
17 Ukrainian_East ( ) 7.87
18 Russian_Meshtchyora ( ) 7.88
19 Austrian ( ) 8.43
20 Ukrainian ( ) 8.68

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 95.9% Sorb ( ) + 4.1% Sardinian ( ) @ 1.1
2 92.3% Sorb ( ) + 7.7% Spanish_Baleares_IBS ( ) @ 1.13
3 93.2% Sorb ( ) + 6.8% Spaniard ( ) @ 1.13
4 93.6% Sorb ( ) + 6.4% Spanish_Cataluna_IBS ( ) @ 1.16
5 94% Sorb ( ) + 6% Spanish_Andalucia_IBS ( ) @ 1.16
6 94.2% Sorb ( ) + 5.8% Spanish_Valencia_IBS ( ) @ 1.16
7 93.7% Sorb ( ) + 6.3% Spanish_Murcia_IBS ( ) @ 1.17
8 94.4% Sorb ( ) + 5.6% Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha_IBS ( ) @ 1.17
9 93.5% Sorb ( ) + 6.5% Spanish_Galicia_IBS ( ) @ 1.19
10 94.6% Sorb ( ) + 5.4% Spanish_Cantabria_IBS ( ) @ 1.2
11 93.5% Sorb ( ) + 6.5% Spanish_Extremadura_IBS ( ) @ 1.2
12 94.7% Sorb ( ) + 5.3% Spanish_Aragon_IBS ( ) @ 1.2
13 82.2% Pole ( ) + 17.8% Spanish_Cantabria_IBS ( ) @ 1.2
14 93.8% Sorb ( ) + 6.2% Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS ( ) @ 1.2
15 91.6% Sorb ( ) + 8.4% French ( ) @ 1.21
16 82.3% Pole ( ) + 17.7% Spanish_Aragon_IBS ( ) @ 1.22
17 67.1% Hungarian ( ) + 32.9% Latvian ( ) @ 1.22
18 92.5% Sorb ( ) + 7.5% Portugese ( ) @ 1.23
19 85.4% Sorb ( ) + 14.6% South_German ( ) @ 1.24
20 76.8% Sorb ( ) + 23.2% Austrian ( ) @ 1.24

MDLP World 22:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North-East-European 62.31
2 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 25.77
3 West-Asian 6.3
4 North-European-Mesolithic 1.76
5 Samoedic 0.93
6 Near_East 0.77
7 Indo-Iranian 0.76
8 Melanesian 0.44
9 South-America_Amerind 0.35
10 Pygmy 0.31
11 Mesoamerican 0.09
12 Paleo-Siberian 0.08
13 Sub-Saharian 0.07
14 South-African 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Slovakian (derived) 3.85
2 Ukrainian-West (derived) 5.19
3 Czech (derived) 5.29
4 Sorb (derived) 5.9
5 Ukrainian-Center (derived) 6.19
6 Belarusian_V (derived) 6.21
7 Ukrainian_V (derived) 6.25
8 Polish_V (derived) 7.86
9 Croatian_V (derived) 7.95
10 Ukrainian-East (derived) 8.57
11 German-North (derived) 8.59
12 Slovenian (derived) 8.65
13 Russian_cossack (derived) 8.68
14 Ukrainian (derived) 8.85
15 German (derived) 9.11
16 Russian_South (derived) 9.25
17 Mordovian_V (derived) 9.5
18 Russian_V (derived) 9.72
19 Polish (derived) 10.03
20 Latvian_V (derived) 10.74

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 90.5% Russian_South (derived) + 9.5% Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic (ancestral) @ 1.67
2 76.2% German_V (derived) + 23.8% North-East-European (ancestral) @ 1.76
3 91.2% Ukrainian-East (derived) + 8.8% Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic (ancestral) @ 1.87
4 66% German-South (derived) + 34% North-East-European (ancestral) @ 1.89
5 81.6% Russian_South (derived) + 18.4% Basque (derived) @ 2.01
6 63.6% German_V (derived) + 36.4% Lithuanian (derived) @ 2.04
7 68.4% Belarusian_V (derived) + 31.6% German_V (derived) @ 2.06
8 62.5% Polish_V (derived) + 37.5% German_V (derived) @ 2.07
9 56.9% German_V (derived) + 43.1% Lithuanian_V (derived) @ 2.08
10 92% Polish_V (derived) + 8% Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic (ancestral) @ 2.1
11 77.8% Polish_V (derived) + 22.2% French (derived) @ 2.14
12 76.6% Austrian (derived) + 23.4% North-East-European (ancestral) @ 2.14
13 71.3% Polish_V (derived) + 28.7% British (derived) @ 2.15
14 62.1% Polish_V (derived) + 37.9% Austrian (derived) @ 2.17
15 82.8% Ukrainian-East (derived) + 17.2% Basque (derived) @ 2.18
16 56.4% Polish (derived) + 43.6% German_V (derived) @ 2.18
17 73.5% Polish_V (derived) + 26.5% German-South (derived) @ 2.19
18 78.3% Belarusian_V (derived) + 21.7% German-South (derived) @ 2.22
19 68.1% Belarusian_V (derived) + 31.9% Austrian (derived) @ 2.24
20 67.3% Polish_V (derived) + 32.7% Welsh (derived) @ 2.25

MDLP World:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_and_East_European 48.78
2 South_and_West_European 41.82
3 Caucaus_Parsia 6.84
4 Middle_East 1.37
5 Paleo_African 0.45
6 Mesoamerican 0.3
7 Arctic_Amerind 0.24
8 Melanesian 0.16
9 Sub_Saharian 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Swedish_V 2.81
2 Sorb 2.87
3 Slovakian 3.39
4 Swedish 3.85
5 German-North 4.08
6 Belarusian_V 4.63
7 Czech 4.93
8 Ukrainian-West 4.99
9 German 5.09
10 Ukrainian_V 5.38
11 Polish_V 5.47
12 Norwegian_V 5.69
13 Ukrainian-Center 5.7
14 Ukrainian 6.01
15 Russian_cossack 6.6
16 Ukrainian-East 6.63
17 Russian_South 7.02
18 Croatian_V 7.56
19 Polish 7.69
20 Slovenian 7.86

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 79.2% German-North + 20.8% Lithuanian @ 0.99
2 67.9% Polish_V + 32.1% British @ 0.99
3 81.3% German-North + 18.7% Latvian @ 1.03
4 57.7% German-North + 42.3% Polish_V @ 1.05
5 81% German-North + 19% Estonian @ 1.05
6 66.9% Polish_V + 33.1% Orcadian @ 1.06
7 76.5% German-North + 23.5% Lithuanian_V @ 1.07
8 80.3% Sorb + 19.7% Orcadian @ 1.08
9 67.8% Sorb + 32.2% Norwegian_V @ 1.1
10 63.9% Swedish + 36.1% Ukrainian-East @ 1.1
11 65.6% Polish_V + 34.4% CEU @ 1.1
12 66% German-North + 34% Polish @ 1.1
13 51% Polish_V + 49% Norwegian_V @ 1.14
14 60.3% Swedish + 39.7% Ukrainian-Center @ 1.15
15 73.9% German-North + 26.1% Russian @ 1.17
16 81.3% Sorb + 18.7% British @ 1.2
17 63.9% Polish_V + 36.1% Welsh @ 1.2
18 78.4% Sorb + 21.6% Welsh @ 1.21
19 58.4% Sorb + 41.6% Swedish @ 1.21
20 53.4% German-North + 46.6% Belarusian_V @ 1.23

[Peterski]

Well if she's really native it's surprising indeed.

I checked her matches in "One-to-many" and indeed most of top matches are Germans and Danes.

Then some Polish and Czech matches further down the list, but not really any East Slavic matches.

[Peterski]

doesn't seem to be German at all.

Here is what I found:

http://www.historycy.org/index.php?showtopic=82250

Kurmärkisch-Wendische Distrikt - region of Beeskow-Fürstenwalde - part of Brandenburg where Sorbian (Lower Lusatian) language was dominant until the 18th century and only Germanization policies of Prussian administration and Lutheran church led to its extinction.

So this woman is basically a Germanized Sorb.

And Beeskow is of course a Slavic toponym:

http://www.historycy.org/index.php?showtopic=127513&view=findpost&p=1515935

Edit:

More about Beeskow: https://leibnizsozietaet.de/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/02_loetsch.pdf

And here: Frido Metsk, Der Kurmärkisch-Wendische Distrikt. Ein Beitrag zur Geschichte
der Territorien Bärwalde, Beeskow, Storkow, Teupitz und Zossen unter besonderer
Berücksichtigung des 16. Bis 18. Jahrhunderts, Bautzen 1965: VEB Domowina-Verlag.

[michal3141]

Interesting that in some calculators she appears as Sorb and in other ones as Ukrainian. What do you think it means?

[Peterski]

Interesting that in some calculators she appears as Sorb and in other ones as Ukrainian. What do you think it means?

I have seen 8 individual Sorbian DNA results, and some of them are more western-shifted, some more eastern-shifted.

But in general Sorbs are similar to Ukrainians, check my thread about it:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?213172-K36-Lusatian-Sorbs-most-similar-to-Wielkopolska-Poles

K36 similarity map of Sorbian average (it is from 8 Sorbian individuals):

http://i.imgur.com/YLRzalt.png

[Peterski]

I got some more info:

"There can not be one survivor alone. The population where she lives must widely be the same way. There is always some individual spread but not that much. There is made a lot of ancestry research and there is no ancestor from farer away than 10 km from Beeskow. You can regard a NPE ruled out."

So all ancestors are from villages within 10 km radius from Beeskow.

[Slavic Italian]

I am more German/Slavic.



# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 34.20
2 Baltic 25.45
3 West_Med 14.63
4 East_Med 12.31
5 West_Asian 7.53
6 Red_Sea 1.53
7 Amerindian 1.27
8 Northeast_African 1.14
9 South_Asian 1.12


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Austrian @ 6.965140
2 Hungarian @ 7.289626
3 Serbian @ 8.662889
4 East_German @ 9.730110
5 West_German @ 10.258237
6 South_Dutch @ 12.241369
7 Romanian @ 12.410620
8 Croatian @ 13.121544
9 French @ 13.121547
10 Moldavian @ 13.173233
11 Bulgarian @ 15.850746
12 North_German @ 16.056955
13 Southeast_English @ 18.341835
14 South_Polish @ 18.532433
15 Danish @ 18.788357
16 Portuguese @ 19.047068
17 North_Dutch @ 19.137180
18 North_Italian @ 19.272213
19 Spanish_Galicia @ 19.307318
20 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 19.391888

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Serbian +50% West_German @ 2.098491


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Hungarian +25% North_German +25% Tuscan @ 1.648179


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 East_Sicilian + Southeast_English + Southwest_Russian + West_German @ 1.373149
2 Estonian_Polish + South_Italian + Southeast_English + West_German @ 1.455244
3 Danish + East_Sicilian + Ukrainian + West_German @ 1.478027
4 Ashkenazi + Irish + Ukrainian + West_German @ 1.503964
5 East_Sicilian + Russian_Smolensk + Southeast_English + West_German @ 1.509618
6 East_Sicilian + Estonian_Polish + Southeast_English + West_German @ 1.513979
7 East_Sicilian + South_Dutch + Southeast_English + Southwest_Russian @ 1.516098
8 Estonian + South_Italian + West_German + West_German @ 1.537434
9 Russian_Smolensk + West_German + West_German + West_Sicilian @ 1.541957
10 East_Sicilian + Southeast_English + Ukrainian_Belgorod + West_German @ 1.560953
11 Belorussian + South_Italian + Southeast_English + West_German @ 1.564388
12 Belorussian + West_German + West_German + West_Sicilian @ 1.570863
13 Estonian_Polish + Italian_Abruzzo + West_German + West_German @ 1.578589
14 East_German + Irish + Italian_Jewish + Polish @ 1.586423
15 Croatian + Greek_Thessaly + North_German + West_German @ 1.588235
16 East_Sicilian + North_Dutch + Ukrainian + West_German @ 1.589315
17 Russian_Smolensk + South_Italian + Southeast_English + West_German @ 1.596246
18 North_German + Ukrainian + West_German + West_Sicilian @ 1.597010
19 Greek_Thessaly + South_Polish + West_German + West_German @ 1.597305
20 Greek_Thessaly + Hungarian + Hungarian + Southwest_English @ 1.609720

[Peterski]

8 Upper Sorbs compared to this Beeskow German in Eurogenes K36:

https://i.imgur.com/GqniMea.png

[Profileid]

polish men smell like a dumpster and have the brain power of a turnip

[Peterski]

polish men smell like a dumpster and have the brain power of a turnip

And, weirdly, this is what turnips you on so much about us! :D

[Peterski]

He doesn't seem to be German at all.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?269411-Ethnic-groups-DNA-results-1000-years-ago-vs-Today

https://i.imgur.com/3RdRVQw.png

http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/40_Language/KranzG1988GeogrDevelopmOfEurLanguages/KrantzGCh7Fig26.jpg

http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/40_Language/KranzG1988GeogrDevelopmOfEurLanguages/KrantzGCh7Fig26.jpg

https://archive-media-0.nyafuu.org/bant/image/1496/88/1496881337984.png

[Token]

She is a Sorb, not German.

[Peterski]

She is a Sorb, not German.

Nope.

The community is German-speaking for at least 300 years and they are not even aware of having Slavic roots.

They were surprised by DNA results. LukaszM still thinks that she is a kidnapped Ukrainian child from WW2: :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_of_children_by_Nazi_Germany

"Kidnapping of foreign children by Nazi Germany, part of the Generalplan Ost (GPO), involved taking children regarded as "Aryan-looking" from the rest of Europe and moving them to Nazi Germany for the purpose of Germanization, or indoctrination into becoming culturally German."

But the date of birth is different, and matches on GEDmatch are not Ukrainian.

[Token]

The community is German-speaking for at least 300 years and they are not even aware of having Slavic roots.

They were surprised by DNA results. LukaszM still thinks that she is a kidnapped Ukrainian child from WW2: :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_of_children_by_Nazi_Germany

"Kidnapping of foreign children by Nazi Germany (Polish: Rabunek dzieci), part of the Generalplan Ost (GPO), involved taking children regarded as "Aryan-looking" from the rest of Europe and moving them to Nazi Germany for the purpose of Germanization, or indoctrination into becoming culturally German."

But the date of birth is different, and matches on GEDmatch are not Ukrainian.

Crazy how they managed to remain so purely Slavic after being thoroughly Germanized and living for centuries in German soil.