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Kaspias
02-27-2019, 07:55 PM
Eurogenes K13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 30.04
2 North_Atlantic 18.46
3 East_Med 18.38
4 West_Med 13.97
5 West_Asian 11.28
6 Red_Sea 3.61
7 Siberian 1.54
8 South_Asian 0.97
9 Oceanian 0.69
10 Northeast_African 0.58
11 Sub-Saharan 0.37
12 East_Asian 0.11

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 7.54
2 Romanian 7.9
3 Serbian 8.71
4 Moldavian 9.49
5 Croatian 12.65
6 Hungarian 14.72
7 Greek_Thessaly 14.95
8 Ukrainian_Lviv 17.73
9 Austrian 18.94
10 Ukrainian 19.02
11 South_Polish 19.14
12 East_German 20.13
13 Southwest_Russian 20.77
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 20.94
15 Central_Greek 21.34
16 Tatar 21.35
17 Italian_Abruzzo 21.84
18 Tuscan 22.05
19 Polish 22.24
20 East_Sicilian 22.45

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 59.3% Estonian_Polish + 40.7% Cyprian @ 1.6
2 59.8% Russian_Smolensk + 40.2% Cyprian @ 1.67
3 62.5% Southwest_Russian + 37.5% Cyprian @ 1.82
4 68.3% Ukrainian + 31.7% Lebanese_Christian @ 1.9
5 54.6% Lithuanian + 45.4% Cyprian @ 1.94
6 67.7% Ukrainian + 32.3% Samaritan @ 2.08
7 64.6% Ukrainian + 35.4% Cyprian @ 2.15
8 69.8% Ukrainian_Lviv + 30.2% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.25
9 58.7% Belorussian + 41.3% Cyprian @ 2.32
10 66.2% Ukrainian_Lviv + 33.8% Cyprian @ 2.38
11 65.4% Ukrainian + 34.6% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.47
12 62.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 37.7% Cyprian @ 2.55
13 69.3% Ukrainian_Lviv + 30.7% Samaritan @ 2.57
14 54.4% Estonian + 45.6% Cyprian @ 2.75
15 60.9% Polish + 39.1% Cyprian @ 2.76
16 59.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 40.7% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.79
17 52.6% East_Sicilian + 47.4% Erzya @ 2.84
18 53.9% Central_Greek + 46.1% Erzya @ 2.94
19 65.7% Ukrainian + 34.3% Syrian @ 3.04
20 69.3% Ukrainian_Lviv + 30.7% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.1



Eurogenes K15

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 20.38
2 North_Sea 14.9
3 Eastern_Euro 13.42
4 East_Med 13.06
5 West_Asian 10.82
6 Atlantic 10.3
7 West_Med 9.64
8 Red_Sea 4.36
9 Northeast_African 1.08
10 South_Asian 0.97
11 Siberian 0.58
12 Oceanian 0.49

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 7.47
2 Romanian 7.69
3 Bulgarian 8.83
4 Serbian 8.99
5 Croatian 10.45
6 Hungarian 12.3
7 Austrian 14.09
8 Ukrainian_Lviv 14.19
9 Greek_Thessaly 14.98
10 Ukrainian 15.38
11 South_Polish 15.42
12 Greek 16.28
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 16.69
14 Southwest_Russian 17.49
15 East_German 17.59
16 Russian_Smolensk 17.6
17 Polish 18.11
18 Ashkenazi 19.49
19 Belorussian 19.66
20 Estonian_Polish 19.84

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 70.7% Ukrainian_Lviv + 29.3% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.72
2 68.9% Ukrainian + 31.1% Syrian @ 2.73
3 69% Ukrainian + 31% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.74
4 70.7% Ukrainian_Lviv + 29.3% Syrian @ 2.84
5 70.2% Ukrainian_Lviv + 29.8% Cyprian @ 2.96
6 73.9% Ukrainian_Lviv + 26.1% Kurdish_Jewish @ 3.06
7 84% Moldavian + 16% Jordanian @ 3.15
8 72.2% Ukrainian + 27.8% Kurdish_Jewish @ 3.16
9 73.8% Ukrainian_Lviv + 26.2% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.18
10 83.2% Moldavian + 16.8% Syrian @ 3.2
11 84.3% Moldavian + 15.7% Bedouin @ 3.21
12 84.7% Moldavian + 15.3% Palestinian @ 3.22
13 85% Moldavian + 15% Iranian_Jewish @ 3.24
14 54% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 46% Ashkenazi @ 3.26
15 73.3% Ukrainian_Lviv + 26.7% Samaritan @ 3.26
16 73.4% Ukrainian_Lviv + 26.6% Iranian_Jewish @ 3.32
17 72.6% Ukrainian_Lviv + 27.4% Assyrian @ 3.33
18 85.4% Moldavian + 14.6% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.33
19 85% Moldavian + 15% Samaritan @ 3.34
20 70.8% Ukrainian + 29.2% Assyrian @ 3.34


PuntDNAL K15


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_European 43.26
2 Mediterranean 27.79
3 Caucasian 16.16
4 SW_Asian 5.72
5 Horn_Of_Africa 3.08
6 Siberian 1.44
7 Oceanian 0.48
8 E_Asian 0.45
9 S_African 0.37
10 S_Indian 0.35
11 Beringian 0.34
12 Omo_River 0.28
13 W_African 0.16
14 Wht_Nile_River 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bosnian 3.07
2 Macedonian 5.03
3 Serbian 5.89
4 Bulgarian 7.07
5 Romanian 7.07
6 Montenegrin 8.97
7 Croatian 9.78
8 French 11.28
9 Hungarian 11.63
10 South_German 11.73
11 Italian 11.98
12 Utahn_White 12.44
13 Austrian 12.94
14 Slovenian 13
15 Irish 13.75
16 Greek_Thessaly 14.08
17 English 14.73
18 Orcadian 14.78
19 Albanian 15.5
20 North_German 15.83

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.1% North_German + 28.9% Lebanese @ 1.85
2 75.6% Slovenian + 24.4% Palestinian @ 2.04
3 66.9% Swedish + 33.1% Lebanese @ 2.06
4 77.7% Hungarian + 22.3% Palestinian @ 2.09
5 71.8% North_German + 28.2% Palestinian @ 2.1
6 67.6% Swedish + 32.4% Palestinian @ 2.12
7 96.9% Bosnian + 3.1% Somali @ 2.15
8 72.3% North_German + 27.7% Iraqi_Jew @ 2.16
9 51.4% Belarusian + 48.6% Sephardic_Jew @ 2.18
10 69.1% Norwegian + 30.9% Lebanese @ 2.18
11 52.4% Russian + 47.6% Sephardic_Jew @ 2.2
12 51.6% Karelian + 48.4% Sephardic_Jew @ 2.2
13 72.2% North_German + 27.8% Syrian @ 2.29
14 74% Irish + 26% Lebanese @ 2.29
15 89.6% Serbian + 10.4% Yemenese @ 2.3
16 96.8% Bosnian + 3.2% Afar @ 2.3
17 75.1% Slovenian + 24.9% Lebanese @ 2.3
18 96.8% Bosnian + 3.2% Oromo @ 2.3
19 75% Irish + 25% Syrian @ 2.32
20 75.1% Irish + 24.9% Iraqi_Jew @ 2.32



MDLP K23b

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 33.75
2 Caucasian 31.37
3 European_Early_Farmers 13.38
4 Near_East 5.63
5 North_African 4.95
6 South_Central_Asian 4.38
7 Ancestral_Altaic 2.11
8 South_East_Asian 1.31
9 Melano_Polynesian 1.04
10 East_Siberian 0.91
11 Tungus-Altaic 0.48
12 East_African 0.32
13 Khoisan 0.28
14 Archaic_Human 0.09
15 South_Indian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bosnian ( ) 6.42
2 Croat_BH ( ) 6.56
3 Ukrainian_West ( ) 7.03
4 Croat ( ) 7.12
5 Serb_BH ( ) 7.26
6 Hungarian_Budapest ( ) 7.5
7 Czech ( ) 7.88
8 Slovak ( ) 7.97
9 Montenegrian ( ) 8.71
10 Ukrainian_Center ( ) 8.72
11 Serb_Serbia ( ) 8.74
12 Slovenian ( ) 8.89
13 Hungarian ( ) 9.07
14 Ukrainian_East ( ) 9.16
15 Sorb ( ) 9.49
16 Kashub ( ) 9.69
17 Belarusian-East ( ) 10.1
18 Bulgarian ( ) 10.11
19 Macedonian ( ) 10.11
20 Belarusian_West ( ) 10.18

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 53.8% Balt ( ) + 46.2% French_Jew ( ) @ 2.02
2 63% Belarusian-East ( ) + 37% Sephardic_Jew ( ) @ 2.03
3 50.2% Sicilian_West ( ) + 49.8% Kuban_cossack ( ) @ 2.11
4 51% Latvian ( ) + 49% French_Jew ( ) @ 2.13
5 59.8% Russian-West ( ) + 40.2% Italian_Jew ( ) @ 2.15
6 58.8% Russian-West ( ) + 41.2% Sephardic_Jew ( ) @ 2.16
7 53.7% Russian_Center ( ) + 46.3% Sicilian_Agrigento ( ) @ 2.21
8 57.1% Russian_Meshtchyora ( ) + 42.9% Italian_Jew ( ) @ 2.21
9 59.7% Russian_North ( ) + 40.3% Italian_Jew ( ) @ 2.22
10 61.8% Russian_South ( ) + 38.2% Sephardic_Jew ( ) @ 2.22
11 64.5% Ukrainian_East ( ) + 35.5% Moroccan_Jew ( ) @ 2.26
12 55% Balt ( ) + 45% Sicilian_East ( ) @ 2.27
13 50.3% Russian_Center ( ) + 49.7% Sicilian_West ( ) @ 2.27
14 58.7% Russian-West ( ) + 41.3% Turk_Jew ( ) @ 2.28
15 54.2% Balt ( ) + 45.8% Italian_Jew ( ) @ 2.29
16 62.6% Russian_South ( ) + 37.4% French_Jew ( ) @ 2.3
17 59.5% Russian-West ( ) + 40.5% French_Jew ( ) @ 2.31
18 51.8% Mordovian ( ) + 48.2% Sicilian_Agrigento ( ) @ 2.32
19 67% Sorb ( ) + 33% Syrian_Jew ( ) @ 2.34
20 63.8% Belarusian-East ( ) + 36.2% French_Jew ( ) @ 2.36



MDLP K16

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 29.79
2 Neolithic 21.65
3 NorthEastEuropean 21.2
4 Steppe 17.45
5 NearEast 3.86
6 NorthAfrican 3.17
7 Siberian 1.22
8 Oceanic 0.74
9 SouthEastAsian 0.49
10 Indian 0.24
11 EastAfrican 0.19

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian (Molodva) 4.21
2 Romanian (Apuseni) 4.67
3 Romanian (Gorj) 4.83
4 Bulgarian (Bulgaria) 4.97
5 Montenegrian (Montenegro) 5.36
6 Macedonian (Macedonia) 5.42
7 Bulgarian (Bulgaria) 5.79
8 Serbian (Serbia) 5.83
9 Serbian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 6.06
10 Croat (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 6.22
11 Bosnian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 6.25
12 Gagauz (Gagauzia) 6.42
13 Romanian (Romania) 6.71
14 Croat (Croatia) 7.19
15 Austrian (Austria) 8.03
16 Italian (Friul) 8.16
17 Swiss (Switzerland) 8.43
18 Cossack (Zaporozhie) 8.7
19 Slovenian (Slovenia) 9.07
20 Kosovar (Kosovo) 9.27

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 50.1% Jew (Ashkenazi) + 49.9% Belarusian (Belarus) @ 1.84
2 51.1% Pole (Poland) + 48.9% Jew (Ashkenazi) @ 1.98
3 55.3% Jew (Ashkenazi) + 44.7% Lithuanian (Lithuania) @ 2.21
4 51.6% Cossack (Kuban) + 48.4% Jew (Ashkenazi) @ 2.26
5 57.8% Italian (SouthItaly) + 42.2% Latvian_Cesis (Cesis) @ 2.27
6 52.9% Jew (Ashkenazi) + 47.1% Russians-West (WestRussian) @ 2.29
7 53.1% Italian (SouthItaly) + 46.9% Russians-West (WestRussian) @ 2.31
8 54.9% Russian (SouthRussia) + 45.1% Jew (Ashkenazi) @ 2.36
9 57.6% Jew (Ashkenazi) + 42.4% Latvian_Cesis (Cesis) @ 2.37
10 52.1% Russian (CentralRussia) + 47.9% Jew (Ashkenazi) @ 2.4
11 54.7% Greek (Macedonia) + 45.3% Cossack (Kuban) @ 2.4
12 57.3% Jew (Ashkenazi) + 42.7% Estonian (Estonia) @ 2.41
13 50.8% Ukrainians_east (EastUkraine) + 49.2% Jew (Ashkenazi) @ 2.44
14 58% Jew (Ashkenazi) + 42% Latvian_Dobele (Dobele) @ 2.47
15 75.9% Hungarian (WestUkraine) + 24.1% Jew (Georgia) @ 2.47
16 54.4% Belarusian (Belarus) + 45.6% Jew (Bulgaria) @ 2.49
17 67% Pole (EastPoland) + 33% Jew (Syria) @ 2.5
18 69.6% Pole (EastPoland) + 30.4% Lebanese_Christian (Lebanon) @ 2.53
19 51% Pole (Poland) + 49% Italian (SouthItaly) @ 2.53
20 56.5% Pole (Wroclaw) + 43.5% Jew (Ashkenazi) @ 2.54



Dodecad K12b




Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 36.81
2 Caucasus 22.58
3 Atlantic_Med 21.83
4 Southwest_Asian 6.83
5 Gedrosia 5.51
6 Northwest_African 3.22
7 South_Asian 1.12
8 Siberian 1.07
9 East_Asian 0.58
10 Southeast_Asian 0.3
11 East_African 0.13
12 Sub_Saharan 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanians (Behar) 7.05
2 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 7.91
3 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 9.31
4 Hungarians (Behar) 13.88
5 O_Italian (Dodecad) 18.57
6 German (Dodecad) 19.59
7 Greek (Dodecad) 21.43
8 N_Italian (Dodecad) 21.88
9 TSI30 (Metspalu) 23.32
10 C_Italian (Dodecad) 23.49
11 Tuscan (HGDP) 23.67
12 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 23.7
13 French (Dodecad) 24.89
14 North_Italian (HGDP) 24.97
15 French (HGDP) 25.2
16 Dutch (Dodecad) 25.2
17 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 25.29
18 Polish (Dodecad) 26.91
19 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 27.01
20 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 27.24

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 74.4% Hungarians (Behar) + 25.6% Lebanese (Behar) @ 2.88
2 52.6% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 47.4% Russian (Dodecad) @ 3.36
3 52.5% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 47.5% Russian (Dodecad) @ 3.36
4 52.6% Russian (Dodecad) + 47.4% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 3.37
5 55% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 45% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 3.38
6 51.7% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 48.3% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 3.39
7 76.7% Hungarians (Behar) + 23.3% Druze (HGDP) @ 3.44
8 51.9% Russian (Dodecad) + 48.1% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 3.47
9 76% Hungarians (Behar) + 24% Jordanians (Behar) @ 3.54
10 51.6% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 48.4% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 3.57
11 78% Hungarians (Behar) + 22% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 3.57
12 54.3% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 45.7% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 3.57
13 77.6% Hungarians (Behar) + 22.4% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 3.58
14 53.4% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 46.6% Russian (HGDP) @ 3.6
15 53.3% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 46.7% Russian (HGDP) @ 3.72
16 55.2% Polish (Dodecad) + 44.8% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 3.76
17 59.5% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 40.5% FIN30 (1000Genomes) @ 3.81
18 60.5% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 39.5% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 3.85
19 75.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 24.1% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 3.86
20 59.4% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 40.6% FIN30 (1000Genomes) @ 3.87



Eurogenes K36

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 1.43 Pct
Armenian 4.90 Pct
Basque 1.25 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 6.60 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 8.44 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 14.92 Pct
East_Med 0.14 Pct
Eastern_Euro 8.31 Pct
Fennoscandian 6.44 Pct
French 2.27 Pct
Iberian 6.06 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 10.79 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 11.66 Pct
North_African 1.38 Pct
North_Atlantic 5.10 Pct
North_Caucasian 2.84 Pct
North_Sea -
Northeast_African -
Oceanian 0.11 Pct
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian 2.46 Pct
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 1.70 Pct
West_African -
West_Caucasian 1.62 Pct
West_Med 1.58 Pct
Ryuk
02-27-2019, 08:00 PM
Baltic+North Atlantid=%50

These results seemed to be more than an average Bulgarian.
Kaspias
02-27-2019, 08:02 PM
Baltic+North Atlantid=%50

These results seemed to be more than an average Bulgarian.

Yes. NA is typical. Baltic average is 24.
pelikarski
02-28-2019, 01:52 PM
This result is from Sofia?
CommonSense
02-28-2019, 02:22 PM
He has a lot of Northern European, but also a lot of Red Sea. Unusual results for sure. Where does he plot on the k15 PCA?
Kaspias
02-28-2019, 03:08 PM
This result is from Sofia?

He lives in Ruse, i don't know his exact ancestry.


He has a lot of Northern European, but also a lot of Red Sea. Unusual results for sure. Where does he plot on the k15 PCA?

3.61 Red Sea is typical for Bulgarians actually. Range is between 1-5. Nato could help about K15 PCA.
Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić
02-28-2019, 03:34 PM
He is black box
https://i.imgur.com/5eZoJ7e.png
Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić
02-28-2019, 03:35 PM
He is Tatar shifted, look at PCA.
lonewolfcypriot
02-28-2019, 03:38 PM
This shows that Bulgarians have Turkic admixture.
Kaspias
02-28-2019, 03:43 PM
This shows that Bulgarians have Turkic admixture.

99% of the Bulgarian results i have seen so far had East Eurasian admixture between 0-3. ~1% Could be noise or just a proxy for Slavic migration but more than 2% would point out something interesting. It is actually expected for Hungarian, Romanian and Bulgarians.
Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić
02-28-2019, 03:46 PM
Steppe Turks also had West Asian and South Asian admixture, so that should add to East Eurasian score. And probably Eastern Euro, it is very eastern shifted proxy on this. Peaks in Chuvash iirc
lonewolfcypriot
02-28-2019, 03:49 PM
99% of the Bulgarian results i have seen so far had East Eurasian admixture between 0-3. ~1% Could be noise or just a proxy for Slavic migration but more than 2% would point out something interesting. It is actually expected for Hungarian, Romanian and Bulgarians.

so does this mean that Bulgarians are Balkan Turks with less West Asian admixture.
Lemgrant
02-28-2019, 03:50 PM
Eurogenes K36

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 1.43 Pct
Armenian 4.90 Pct
Basque 1.25 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 6.60 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 8.44 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 14.92 Pct
East_Med 0.14 Pct
Eastern_Euro 8.31 Pct
Fennoscandian 6.44 Pct
French 2.27 Pct
Iberian 6.06 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 10.79 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 11.66 Pct
North_African 1.38 Pct
North_Atlantic 5.10 Pct
North_Caucasian 2.84 Pct
North_Sea -
Northeast_African -
Oceanian 0.11 Pct
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian 2.46 Pct
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 1.70 Pct
West_African -
West_Caucasian 1.62 Pct
West_Med 1.58 Pct

https://i.imgur.com/P6PbHWM.png

http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/similitude.htm
Kaspias
02-28-2019, 03:51 PM
so does this mean that Bulgarians are Balkan Turks with less West Asian admixture.

No wtf lol. Some of them just carry their proto-bulgar or other steppe-turkic heritage, they are Bulgarians. Balkan Turks have Turkmen root.
CommonSense
02-28-2019, 03:51 PM
99% of the Bulgarian results i have seen so far had East Eurasian admixture between 0-3. ~1% Could be noise or just a proxy for Slavic migration but more than 2% would point out something interesting. It is actually expected for Hungarian, Romanian and Bulgarians.

A lot of Serbs and Croats score 1-2% East Eurasian. A few Serbian samples I've seen were even 2-3%...just goes to show you there were also a few Avar settlers in the Western and Middle Balkans, even if their Y-DNA most likely died out.
Ryuk
02-28-2019, 03:52 PM
This shows that Bulgarians have Turkic admixture.

Nothing Turkic in him.

Below %1-1,5 at Eurogenes is just noise.

For having Turkic ancestry,should be more eastern-siberian than %1-1,5
Kaspias
02-28-2019, 03:52 PM
Nothing Turkic in him.

Below %1-1,5 at Eurogenes is just noise.

For having Turkic ancestry,should be more eastern-siberian than %1-1,5

++
Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić
02-28-2019, 03:54 PM
He shift towards minorities in Russia. Call it however you want, they can be both Uralic and Turkic and similar genetically. I would say this dude has more Bulgar ancestry than average Bulgarian, he wouldn't shift towards their old homeland in Volga for nothing.
Leto
02-28-2019, 03:57 PM
Bulgar elite in Bulgaria depicted as white
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/Krum1.jpg/1001px-Krum1.jpg
Kaspias
02-28-2019, 04:00 PM
Bulgar elite in Bulgaria depicted as white
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/Krum1.jpg/1001px-Krum1.jpg

Medieval mt-DNA results of Bulgarians also points out West Eurasian origins. How Proto-Bulgars disappeared from the history?
lonewolfcypriot
02-28-2019, 04:01 PM
A lot of Serbs and Croats score 1-2% East Eurasian. A few Serbian samples I've seen were even 2-3%...just goes to show you there were also a few Avar settlers in the Western and Middle Balkans, even if their Y-DNA most likely died out.

wtf, that's more than what Turkish Cypriots get. I doubt that Serbs get 1+ Siberian.
CommonSense
02-28-2019, 04:04 PM
wtf, that's more than what Turkish Cypriots get. I doubt that Serbs get 1+ Siberian.

I believe it's mostly on Eurogenes K13, on K15 it should give us less just like this Bulgarian scored less. Here is a chart of the k13 results of the Serbian DNA Project forum members:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1IciKzG1e_LKysi9bSXKx1ruafHjsn75uMzWDq7y1lWY/edit#gid=521559768
Ryuk
02-28-2019, 04:07 PM
I believe it's mostly on Eurogenes K13, on K15 it should give us less just like this Bulgarian scored less. Here is a chart of the k13 results of the Serbian DNA Project forum members:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1IciKzG1e_LKysi9bSXKx1ruafHjsn75uMzWDq7y1lWY/edit#gid=521559768

Eurogenes K15 more accurate than K13.
Trust K15
Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić
02-28-2019, 04:11 PM
Eurogenes K15 more accurate than K13.
Trust K15

K13 is superior, we just use K15 because of PCA.
Leto
02-28-2019, 04:11 PM
Medieval mt-DNA results of Bulgarians also points out West Eurasian origins. How Proto-Bulgars disappeared from the history?
In the Volga region they were destroyed and integrated into the Golden Horde. Later the language was replaced with Kypchak. Chuvash retainded their Oghur language though. Maybe because they weren't Muslims. But Volga Bulgaria was officially Muslim even before the Mongol destruction. It's all still a mystery to me...
Leto
02-28-2019, 04:18 PM
I believe it's mostly on Eurogenes K13, on K15 it should give us less just like this Bulgarian scored less. Here is a chart of the k13 results of the Serbian DNA Project forum members:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1IciKzG1e_LKysi9bSXKx1ruafHjsn75uMzWDq7y1lWY/edit#gid=521559768
For Mongoloid I'd personally recommend Dodecad. It eliminates the unnecessary Amerindian noise.
Leto
03-01-2019, 09:03 PM
Bulgarian K13

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 24.06
2 North_Atlantic 21.75
3 East_Med 20.12
4 West_Med 17.91
5 West_Asian 11.91
6 Red_Sea 1.95
7 Amerindian 0.57
8 East_Asian 0.52
9 Siberian 0.43
10 Oceanian 0.41
11 Sub-Saharan 0.16
12 Northeast_African 0.11
13 South_Asian 0.11

Bulgarian K15

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 16.38
2 East_Med 16.27
3 Atlantic 15.88
4 West_Med 13.76
5 North_Sea 12.88
6 West_Asian 11.88
7 Eastern_Euro 9.34
8 Red_Sea 2.18
9 Amerindian 0.30
10 Oceanian 0.28
11 South_Asian 0.26
12 Northeast_African 0.18
13 Southeast_Asian 0.17
14 Siberian 0.14
15 Sub-Saharan 0.11
Kaspias
03-01-2019, 09:08 PM
Bulgarian K13

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 24.06
2 North_Atlantic 21.75
3 East_Med 20.12
4 West_Med 17.91
5 West_Asian 11.91
6 Red_Sea 1.95
7 Amerindian 0.57
8 East_Asian 0.52
9 Siberian 0.43
10 Oceanian 0.41
11 Sub-Saharan 0.16
12 Northeast_African 0.11
13 South_Asian 0.11

Bulgarian K15

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 16.38
2 East_Med 16.27
3 Atlantic 15.88
4 West_Med 13.76
5 North_Sea 12.88
6 West_Asian 11.88
7 Eastern_Euro 9.34
8 Red_Sea 2.18
9 Amerindian 0.30
10 Oceanian 0.28
11 South_Asian 0.26
12 Northeast_African 0.18
13 Southeast_Asian 0.17
14 Siberian 0.14
15 Sub-Saharan 0.11

NA Range = 14-25
Baltic Range = 18-30
dududud
03-01-2019, 09:57 PM
Interesting...