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Bosniensis
03-18-2019, 06:34 AM
I've been playing with Global25 nMonte Calculator and I've found that South Slavs have a lot of Scythian DNA.

For example, I've been testing my sample

and the best combination was:

1. Modern Greek (Paleo-Balkan) 63.33%

2. Scythian 10%

(Interestingly Scythian plot closer than Lithuanian)

"Scythian_Ukraine:scy010: 6.958573",
"Scythian_Ukraine:scy009: 7.397013",

3. Lithuanian 21.67%

4. Sintashta 5%

FIT: 1.5 (very close)

This proves that Scythians were not in fact Turks but rather mixed with Turks (those in the East) and that Slavs are in fact Scythians.

Here are detailed results:

[
{
"sample": "Custom:Gedza_scaled",
"fit": 1.5275,
"Greek": 63.33,
"Lithuanian": 21.67,
"Scythian_Ukraine": 10,
"Sintashta_MLBA": 5,
"closestDistances": [
"Greek:S_Greek-1: 4.621049",
"Greek:GREEKGRALPOP8: 4.817517",
"Greek:GREEKGRALPOP17: 5.131218",
"Greek:NA17377: 5.271496",
"Greek:GREEKGRALPOP12: 5.305285",
"Greek:GREEKGRALPOP11: 5.305937",
"Greek:GREEKGRALPOP15: 5.667493",
"Greek:GREEKGRALPOP3: 5.684759",
"Greek:NA17373: 6.035532",
"Greek:GREEKGRALPOP5: 6.044894",
"Greek:GREEKGRALPOP18: 6.106052",
"Greek:GREEKGRALPOP10: 6.273559",
"Greek:GREEKGRALPOP9: 6.303533",
"Greek:GREEKGRALPOP16: 6.328374",
"Greek:GREEKGRALPOP13: 6.349921",
"Greek:GREEKGRALPOP14: 6.452208",
"Greek:GREEKGRALPOP4: 6.744367",
"Greek:NA17372: 6.849268",
"Scythian_Ukraine:scy010: 6.958573",
"Scythian_Ukraine:scy009: 7.397013",
"Greek:NA17375: 7.756796",
"Sintashta_MLBA:I1063: 8.242633",
"Sintashta_MLBA:I1053: 9.213151",
"Lithuanian:LithuanianD1: 9.354637",
"Sintashta_MLBA:I0984: 9.383880",
"Sintashta_MLBA:I1090: 9.612357",
"Sintashta_MLBA:I1027: 9.681554",
"Lithuanian:LithuanianE2: 9.730785",
"Sintashta_MLBA:I0943: 9.797512",
"Sintashta_MLBA:I1084: 9.896858",
"Sintashta_MLBA:I1065: 9.958608",
"Sintashta_MLBA:I1024: 10.003847",
"Sintashta_MLBA:I1086: 10.019727",
"Sintashta_MLBA:I1012: 10.030474",
"Lithuanian:LithuanianA1: 10.199726",
"Sintashta_MLBA:I1018: 10.248162",
"Sintashta_MLBA:I0989: 10.344482",
"Sintashta_MLBA:I1022: 10.402974",
"Sintashta_MLBA:I1011: 10.412867",
"Sintashta_MLBA:I1055: 10.558455",
"Sintashta_MLBA:I1089: 10.643530",
"Sintashta_MLBA:I1019: 10.749894",
"Sintashta_MLBA:I1064: 10.881376",
"Sintashta_MLBA:I1082: 11.014409",
"Sintashta_MLBA:I7480: 11.051771",
"Sintashta_MLBA:I1061: 11.111031",
"Scythian_Ukraine:scy011: 11.126999",
"Sintashta_MLBA:I1060: 11.245048",
"Sintashta_MLBA:I1062: 11.277325",
"Sintashta_MLBA:I0939: 11.301931",
"Lithuanian:LithuanianF1: 11.396603",
"Sintashta_MLBA:I1088: 11.432676",
"Sintashta_MLBA:I1029: 11.567546",
"Sintashta_MLBA:I1008: 11.698423",
"Sintashta_MLBA:I0986: 11.857864",
"Sintashta_MLBA:I0942: 12.052
Bosniensis
03-18-2019, 06:39 AM
Ukrainian Using the same concept:

{
"sample": "Ukrainian:Average",
"fit": 1.0351,
"Lithuanian": 65.83,
"Greek": 17.5,
"Sintashta_MLBA": 9.17,
"Scythian_Ukraine": 7.5,
"closestDistances": [
"Lithuanian:LithuanianE2: 3.994745",
"Lithuanian:LithuanianD1: 4.140174",
"Lithuanian:LithuanianA1: 4.272482",
"Scythian_Ukraine:scy009: 4.984780",
"Lithuanian:LithuanianF1: 5.482494",
"Scythian_Ukraine:scy010: 6.359077",
"Sintashta_MLBA:I0984: 6.887092",
"Sintashta_MLBA:I1053: 7.100379",
"Sintashta_MLBA:I0943: 7.166003",
"Sintashta_MLBA:I1063: 7.307194",
"Sintashta_MLBA:I1024: 7.345303",
"Sintashta_MLBA:I1018: 7.400835",
"Sintashta_MLBA:I1086: 7.453859",
"Sintashta_MLBA:I1012: 7.462113",
"Sintashta_MLBA:I1027: 7.675837",
"Sintashta_MLBA:I0989: 7.796382",
"Sintashta_MLBA:I1090: 7.844898",
"Sintashta_MLBA:I1089: 7.896974",
"Sintashta_MLBA:I1060: 7.910023",
"Sintashta_MLBA:I1084: 8.164252",
"Sintashta_MLBA:I1022: 8.449450",
"Sintashta_MLBA:I1082: 8.475647",
"Sintashta_MLBA:I1011: 8.515231",
"Sintashta_MLBA:I1064: 8.535504",
"Sintashta_MLBA:I0939: 8.634107",
"Sintashta_MLBA:I1065: 8.753684",
"Sintashta_MLBA:I1055: 8.902029",
"Sintashta_MLBA:I1088: 8.911200",
"Sintashta_MLBA:I7480: 8.919402",
"Sintashta_MLBA:I1029: 9.059691",
"Sintashta_MLBA:I0986: 9.239777",
"Sintashta_MLBA:I1061: 9.337546",
"Sintashta_MLBA:I1019: 9.369968",
"Sintashta_MLBA:I1008: 9.564096",
"Sintashta_MLBA:I1062: 9.778667",
"Sintashta_MLBA:I0942: 10.043999",
"Greek:GREEKGRALPOP17: 10.187720",
"Greek:S_Greek-1: 10.308109",
"Greek:GREEKGRALPOP8: 10.475394",
"Greek:GREEKGRALPOP12: 10.629583",
"Greek:NA17377: 10.836620",
"Greek:GREEKGRALPOP3: 10.850201",
"Greek:GREEKGRALPOP11: 10.973512",
"Greek:GREEKGRALPOP15: 11.304622",
"Greek:NA17373: 11.376000",
"Greek:GREEKGRALPOP10: 11.542502",
"Greek:GREEKGRALPOP9: 11.568485",
"Scythian_Ukraine:scy011: 11.590042",
"Greek:GREEKGRALPOP5: 11.753922",
"Greek:GREEKGRALPOP18: 11.809449",
"Greek:GREEKGRALPOP14: 11.990443",
"Greek:GREEKGRALPOP16: 12.017399",
"Greek:NA17372: 12.022592",
"Greek:GREEKGRALPOP13: 12.042229",
"Greek:GREEKGRALPOP4: 12.468176",
"Greek:NA17375: 13.430206"
]
}
]
Kaspias
03-18-2019, 06:44 AM
Try scyhtian Moldova. I suspect it is Thracian
Bosniensis
03-18-2019, 06:54 AM
Try scyhtian Moldova. I suspect it is Thracian

[
{
"sample": "Custom:Gedza_scaled",
"fit": 1.5359,
"Greek": 61.67,
"Lithuanian": 25.83, (Interesting, when I remove Lithuanian Scythian goes up are those two connected??)
"Scythian_Ukraine": 10,
"Scythian_Moldova": 2.5,
"closestDistances": [
"Greek:S_Greek-1: 4.621049",
"Greek:GREEKGRALPOP8: 4.817517",
"Greek:GREEKGRALPOP17: 5.131218",
"Greek:NA17377: 5.271496",
"Greek:GREEKGRALPOP12: 5.305285",
"Greek:GREEKGRALPOP11: 5.305937",
"Greek:GREEKGRALPOP15: 5.667493",
"Greek:GREEKGRALPOP3: 5.684759",
"Greek:NA17373: 6.035532",
"Greek:GREEKGRALPOP5: 6.044894",
"Greek:GREEKGRALPOP18: 6.106052",
"Greek:GREEKGRALPOP10: 6.273559",
"Greek:GREEKGRALPOP9: 6.303533",
"Greek:GREEKGRALPOP16: 6.328374",
"Greek:GREEKGRALPOP13: 6.349921",
"Greek:GREEKGRALPOP14: 6.452208",
"Greek:GREEKGRALPOP4: 6.744367",
"Greek:NA17372: 6.849268",
"Scythian_Ukraine:scy010: 6.958573",
"Scythian_Ukraine:scy009: 7.397013",
"Scythian_Moldova:scy197: 7.643269",
"Greek:NA17375: 7.756796",
"Scythian_Moldova:scy301: 8.283781",
"Scythian_Moldova:scy192: 8.843502",
"Lithuanian:LithuanianD1: 9.354637",
"Scythian_Moldova:scy303: 9.536789",
"Lithuanian:LithuanianE2: 9.730785",
"Lithuanian:LithuanianA1: 10.199726",
"Scythian_Moldova:scy311: 10.539089",
"Scythian_Moldova:scy300: 10.628039",
"Scythian_Ukraine:scy011: 11.126999",
"Lithuanian:LithuanianF1: 11.396603"
]
}
]
Kaspias
03-18-2019, 06:55 AM
[
{
"sample": "Custom:Gedza_scaled",
"fit": 1.5359,
"Greek": 61.67,
"Lithuanian": 25.83, (Interesting, when I remove Lithuanian Scythian goes up are those two connected??)
"Scythian_Ukraine": 10,
"Scythian_Moldova": 2.5,
"closestDistances": [
"Greek:S_Greek-1: 4.621049",
"Greek:GREEKGRALPOP8: 4.817517",
"Greek:GREEKGRALPOP17: 5.131218",
"Greek:NA17377: 5.271496",
"Greek:GREEKGRALPOP12: 5.305285",
"Greek:GREEKGRALPOP11: 5.305937",
"Greek:GREEKGRALPOP15: 5.667493",
"Greek:GREEKGRALPOP3: 5.684759",
"Greek:NA17373: 6.035532",
"Greek:GREEKGRALPOP5: 6.044894",
"Greek:GREEKGRALPOP18: 6.106052",
"Greek:GREEKGRALPOP10: 6.273559",
"Greek:GREEKGRALPOP9: 6.303533",
"Greek:GREEKGRALPOP16: 6.328374",
"Greek:GREEKGRALPOP13: 6.349921",
"Greek:GREEKGRALPOP14: 6.452208",
"Greek:GREEKGRALPOP4: 6.744367",
"Greek:NA17372: 6.849268",
"Scythian_Ukraine:scy010: 6.958573",
"Scythian_Ukraine:scy009: 7.397013",
"Scythian_Moldova:scy197: 7.643269",
"Greek:NA17375: 7.756796",
"Scythian_Moldova:scy301: 8.283781",
"Scythian_Moldova:scy192: 8.843502",
"Lithuanian:LithuanianD1: 9.354637",
"Scythian_Moldova:scy303: 9.536789",
"Lithuanian:LithuanianE2: 9.730785",
"Lithuanian:LithuanianA1: 10.199726",
"Scythian_Moldova:scy311: 10.539089",
"Scythian_Moldova:scy300: 10.628039",
"Scythian_Ukraine:scy011: 11.126999",
"Lithuanian:LithuanianF1: 11.396603"
]
}
]Use only 1 Scythian sample. Using both Scythian Ukraine and Moldova causes overfit
Bosniensis
03-18-2019, 06:59 AM
Use only 1 Scythian sample. Using both Scythian Ukraine and Moldova causes overfit

With Moldovan Scythian

"sample": "Custom:Gedza_scaled",
"fit": 1.6405,
"Greek": 66.67,
"Lithuanian": 30.83,
"Scythian_Moldova": 2.5,

With Ukrainian Scythian

"sample": "Custom:Gedza_scaled",
"fit": 1.5802,
"Greek": 64.17,
"Lithuanian": 23.33,
"Scythian_Ukraine": 12.5,
Dick
03-21-2019, 08:38 PM
With Moldovan Scythian

"sample": "Custom:Gedza_scaled",
"fit": 1.6405,
"Greek": 66.67,
"Lithuanian": 30.83,
"Scythian_Moldova": 2.5,

With Ukrainian Scythian

"sample": "Custom:Gedza_scaled",
"fit": 1.5802,
"Greek": 64.17,
"Lithuanian": 23.33,
"Scythian_Ukraine": 12.5,

Those are good fits but you shouldn't mix modern and ancient pops imo
Dick
03-21-2019, 08:42 PM
distance%: 1.31

Scythian_Hungary 49.28
Baltic_IA 25.84
Scythian_Moldova 16.26
Anatolia_IA 8.62

"1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"

Hallstatt_BylanyA112 - 2.900379
Hungary_IA:IR1 - 3.661612
Anatolia_IA:MA2198 - 3.721760
Nordic_IA:RISE174 - 4.419502
England_IA:L-I0789 - 4.455087
Balkans_IA:I5769 - 4.586273
England_IA:M1489 - 4.613220
Hallstatt_BylanyA111 - 4.620963



"2. FULL TABLE nMONTE"

"distance%=1.6138"


Balkans_IA,33
Baltic_IA,28.8
Hallstatt_Bylany,24.2
Udegram_IA,7.6
Anatolia_IA,6.2
Katelai_IA,0.2
Kaspias
03-21-2019, 08:54 PM
"sample": "Kaspias",
"fit": 2.8139,
"Scythian_Moldova": 60,
"Balkans_IA": 22.5,
"Altai_IA": 11.67,
"Baltic_IA": 5.83,
"closestDistances": [
"Scythian_Moldova:scy301: 6.139136",
"Scythian_Moldova:scy311: 6.268447",
"Scythian_Moldova:scy192: 8.765082",
"Scythian_Moldova:scy197: 9.417234",
"Balkans_IA:I5769: 10.374470",
"Scythian_Moldova:scy300: 10.552728",
"Scythian_Moldova:scy303: 12.781053",
"Baltic_IA;DA171: 18.456567",
"Altai_IA:RISE602: 21.342625",
"Altai_IA:RISE601: 22.919970",
"Altai_IA:RISE504: 33.430906"
]
}
]
Bosniensis
03-21-2019, 09:00 PM
distance%: 1.31

Scythian_Hungary 49.28
Baltic_IA 25.84
Scythian_Moldova 16.26
Anatolia_IA 8.62

"1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"

Hallstatt_BylanyA112 - 2.900379
Hungary_IA:IR1 - 3.661612
Anatolia_IA:MA2198 - 3.721760
Nordic_IA:RISE174 - 4.419502
England_IA:L-I0789 - 4.455087
Balkans_IA:I5769 - 4.586273
England_IA:M1489 - 4.613220
Hallstatt_BylanyA111 - 4.620963



"2. FULL TABLE nMONTE"

"distance%=1.6138"


Balkans_IA,33
Baltic_IA,28.8
Hallstatt_Bylany,24.2
Udegram_IA,7.6
Anatolia_IA,6.2
Katelai_IA,0.2


Mine with same SAMPLES>

[
{
"sample": "Custom:Gedza_scaled",
"fit": 2.6947,
"Scythian_Hungary": 48.33,
"Scythian_Moldova": 32.5,
"Baltic_IA": 17.5,
"Anatolia_IA": 1.67,
"closestDistances": [
"Scythian_Hungary:DA195: 4.419274",
"Scythian_Hungary:DA197: 5.300667",
"Scythian_Hungary:DA191: 7.003850",
"Scythian_Hungary:DA194: 7.557495",
"Scythian_Moldova:scy197: 7.643269",
"Scythian_Hungary:DA198: 7.716467",
"Scythian_Moldova:scy301: 8.283781",
"Scythian_Moldova:scy192: 8.843502",
"Scythian_Moldova:scy303: 9.536789",
"Scythian_Moldova:scy311: 10.539089",
"Scythian_Moldova:scy300: 10.628039",
"Anatolia_IA:MA2198: 12.433173",
"Baltic_IA:DA171: 13.064563"
]
}
]
Bosniensis
03-21-2019, 09:15 PM
"sample": "Kaspias",
"fit": 2.8139,
"Scythian_Moldova": 60,
"Balkans_IA": 22.5,
"Altai_IA": 11.67,
"Baltic_IA": 5.83,
"closestDistances": [
"Scythian_Moldova:scy301: 6.139136",
"Scythian_Moldova:scy311: 6.268447",
"Scythian_Moldova:scy192: 8.765082",
"Scythian_Moldova:scy197: 9.417234",
"Balkans_IA:I5769: 10.374470",
"Scythian_Moldova:scy300: 10.552728",
"Scythian_Moldova:scy303: 12.781053",
"Baltic_IA;DA171: 18.456567",
"Altai_IA:RISE602: 21.342625",
"Altai_IA:RISE601: 22.919970",
"Altai_IA:RISE504: 33.430906"
]
}
]

Karakartal with same samples as you (Balkan Turk as well)

He is less Turkic than you are but still some Altai is present.

[
{
"sample": "Custom:TG_scaled",
"fit": 3.1919,
"Scythian_Moldova": 71.67,
"Balkans_IA": 18.33,
"Altai_IA": 7.5,
"Baltic_IA": 2.5,
"closestDistances": [
"Scythian_Moldova:scy192: 6.543935",
"Scythian_Moldova:scy301: 6.990819",
"Scythian_Moldova:scy197: 7.358358",
"Scythian_Moldova:scy311: 7.988815",
"Balkans_IA:I5769: 8.258397",
"Scythian_Moldova:scy300: 9.297294",
"Scythian_Moldova:scy303: 12.939820",
"Baltic_IA:DA171: 18.559884",
"Altai_IA:RISE602: 23.986300",
"Altai_IA:RISE601: 25.463527",
"Altai_IA:RISE504: 35.625040"
]
}
]
Kaspias
03-21-2019, 09:21 PM
Karakartal with same samples as you (Balkan Turk as well)

He is less Turkic than you are but still some Altai is present.

[
{
"sample": "Custom:TG_scaled",
"fit": 3.1919,
"Scythian_Moldova": 71.67,
"Balkans_IA": 18.33,
"Altai_IA": 7.5,
"Baltic_IA": 2.5,
"closestDistances": [
"Scythian_Moldova:scy192: 6.543935",
"Scythian_Moldova:scy301: 6.990819",
"Scythian_Moldova:scy197: 7.358358",
"Scythian_Moldova:scy311: 7.988815",
"Balkans_IA:I5769: 8.258397",
"Scythian_Moldova:scy300: 9.297294",
"Scythian_Moldova:scy303: 12.939820",
"Baltic_IA:DA171: 18.559884",
"Altai_IA:RISE602: 23.986300",
"Altai_IA:RISE601: 25.463527",
"Altai_IA:RISE504: 35.625040"
]
}
]

He needs also Mycenaean component since his admixture is mostly Greek.
Impaler
03-21-2019, 09:41 PM
He needs also Mycenaean component since his admixture is mostly Greek.

"sample": "Custom:Impaler_scaled",
"fit": 3.0289,
"Scythian_Moldova": 73.33,
"Balkans_IA": 11.67,
"Baltic_IA": 10.83,
"Altai_IA": 4.17,
"closestDistances": [
"Scythian_Moldova:scy301: 6.394747",
"Scythian_Moldova:scy197: 7.432817",
"Scythian_Moldova:scy192: 7.540579",
"Scythian_Moldova:scy311: 7.750514",
"Balkans_IA:I5769: 9.255357",
"Scythian_Moldova:scy300: 9.674434",
"Scythian_Moldova:scy303: 10.841291",
"Baltic_IA:DA171: 16.400318",
"Altai_IA:RISE602: 23.918547",
"Altai_IA:RISE601: 25.601095",
"Altai_IA:RISE504: 36.329678"