50% Bosnian Croat/ 25% Bosniak / 12,5 % German/ 12,5 % Bulgarian Gedmatch

[Ljubic]

Eurogenes K13

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 31.24
2 North_Atlantic 25.47
3 East_Med 16.81
4 West_Med 16.53
5 West_Asian 6.96
6 Red_Sea 1.83

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Serbian @ 5.166311
2 Moldavian @ 7.771491
3 Romanian @ 8.236259
4 Croatian @ 9.367673
5 Bulgarian @ 10.164889
6 Hungarian @ 10.352721
7 Austrian @ 14.773977
8 East_German @ 16.039150
9 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 16.511997
10 South_Polish @ 16.996529
11 Ukrainian @ 17.540657
12 Greek_Thessaly @ 19.592205
13 Polish @ 20.980341
14 Southwest_Russian @ 20.988909
15 West_German @ 21.539839
16 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 21.609844
17 North_Italian @ 22.493279
18 Russian_Smolensk @ 23.171413
19 South_Dutch @ 23.212925
20 French @ 23.229456

Eurogenes K15

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 22.35
2 North_Sea 19.88
3 East_Med 14.14
4 Atlantic 13.92
5 West_Med 11.40
6 Eastern_Euro 10.18
7 West_Asian 6.31
8 Red_Sea 1.75

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Serbian @ 8.942787
2 Moldavian @ 8.999761
3 Romanian @ 9.355991
4 Hungarian @ 9.822488
5 Croatian @ 10.245325
6 Bulgarian @ 11.427839
7 Austrian @ 12.921963
8 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 14.576112
9 South_Polish @ 15.858772
10 Ukrainian @ 15.923173
11 East_German @ 16.315346
12 Greek_Thessaly @ 18.012180
13 Polish @ 18.976837
14 Russian_Smolensk @ 19.629658
15 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 19.901728
16 Greek @ 20.286112
17 Southwest_Russian @ 20.338129
18 Belorussian @ 21.502844
19 West_German @ 21.728872
20 North_Italian @ 22.021177

Eurogenes K36

Amerindian -
Arabian 0.58 Pct
Armenian 1.59 Pct
Basque 4.96 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 6.08 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 8.39 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 19.49 Pct
East_Med 5.92 Pct
Eastern_Euro 7.26 Pct
Fennoscandian 1.37 Pct
French 3.03 Pct
Iberian 3.16 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 13.54 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 4.10 Pct
North_African -
North_Atlantic 6.13 Pct
North_Caucasian 2.10 Pct
North_Sea 7.76 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 1.96 Pct
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 2.57 Pct


I have no known serbian ancestry so serbian being the first place in my case might be caused by me being party bosniak and bulgarian.

[Bosniensis]

He is 19.8% Bosniak according to that Gedmatch result.

[Leto]

Interesting background. Do you score any Asian/Siberian? Less than 1 percent. Also, post Dodecad K12b (mixed mode).

[Ljubic]

Dodecad K12b
# Population Percent
1 North_European 41.66
2 Atlantic_Med 26.77
3 Caucasus 20.25
4 Southwest_Asian 6.08
5 Gedrosia 4.22
6 Siberian 0.63
7 East_African 0.2
8 Northwest_African 0.19

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarians (Behar) 7.74
2 Romanians (Behar) 9.31
3 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 11.19
4 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 11.57
5 German (Dodecad) 13.46
6 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 18.41
7 Dutch (Dodecad) 19.68
8 French (Dodecad) 20.4
9 French (HGDP) 20.68
10 O_Italian (Dodecad) 20.8
11 N_Italian (Dodecad) 21.46
12 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 21.92
13 Kent (1000Genomes) 22.01
14 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 22.08
15 English (Dodecad) 22.27
16 Polish (Dodecad) 22.34
17 British_Isles (Dodecad) 23.28
18 Swedish (Dodecad) 23.35
19 Norwegian (Dodecad) 24.13
20 Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) 24.18

[Ford]

Can you post your unsorted K15 values?

[HungryLion]

Serb ..af

tonight my level of political correctness has suddenly fallen

[Ljubic]

Can you post your unsorted K15 values?

Do you mean without setting it to Oracle 4?
If so, then the results are:

1 Moldavian 7.68
2 Serbian 7.78
3 Romanian 8.11
4 Hungarian 8.39
5 Croatian 8.69
6 Bulgarian 9.85
7 Austrian 11.05
8 Ukrainian_Lviv 12.45
9 South_Polish 13.54
10 Ukrainian 13.59
11 East_German 13.87
12 Greek_Thessaly 15.62
13 Polish 16.22
14 Russian_Smolensk 16.85
15 Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.1
16 Greek 17.48
17 Southwest_Russian 17.5
18 Belorussian 18.51
19 West_German 18.66
20 Estonian_Polish 19.01

[HungryLion]

He is 19.8% Bosniak according to that Gedmatch result.

He made some experiment abou 9 ceuntry lol..It looks like that

[HungryLion]

Interesting background. Do you score any Asian/Siberian? Less than 1 percent. Also, post Dodecad K12b (mixed mode).

I am in shock omg ...Here is from Bosnia and ..What surpise. It's disturbing me a lot. I think I will cry all night..I expected at least 36% baltic of some Croat.

[Ford]

...

No, I mean like this:

North_Sea 19.44
Atlantic 14.07
Baltic 21.63
Eastern_Euro 12.61
West_Med 13.52
West_Asian 5.67
East_Med 12.18
Red_Sea 0.13
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian 0.76
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Copy the results from the very first page.

[Dick]

I am in shock omg ...Here is from Bosnia and ..What surpise. It's disturbing me a lot. I think I will cry all night..I expected at least 36% baltic of some Croat.

:laugh2:

[Ljubic]

No, I mean like this:

Copy the results from the very first page.

Ah



Population
North_Sea 19.88 Pct
Atlantic 13.92 Pct
Baltic 22.35 Pct
Eastern_Euro 10.18 Pct
West_Med 11.40 Pct
West_Asian 6.31 Pct
East_Med 14.14 Pct
Red_Sea 1.75 Pct
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.07 Pct

[HungryLion]

Must be conspiracy of Bosniak( Aka muslim Serb)minor part..I can't find other solution..Gedžo did you make some conspiracy

[HungryLion]

:laugh2:

can you believe it, and quite accidentally he's from the region I was talking about?

[Ljubic]

Must be conspiracy of Bosniak( Aka muslim Serb)minor part..I can't find other solution..Gedžo did you make some conspiracy

I wont even deny that my Bosniak part maybe had some Serb ancestry.

[Leto]

I am in shock omg ...Here is from Bosnia and ..What surpise. It's disturbing me a lot. I think I will cry all night..I expected at least 36% baltic of some Croat.
I don't know where the Croat reference was taken from. Probably from Northern Croatia. This guy is probably average for BiH. Vlatko Vukovic got 35% though and he is a Bosniak.

[Ford]

Ah



Population
North_Sea 19.88 Pct
Atlantic 13.92 Pct
Baltic 22.35 Pct
Eastern_Euro 10.18 Pct
West_Med 11.40 Pct
West_Asian 6.31 Pct
East_Med 14.14 Pct
Red_Sea 1.75 Pct
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.07 Pct

Thank you, I put you in the K15 plot to see where you are:
https://i.imgur.com/BeQ4ujK.png

Looks like your Bulgarian is pulling you south of the Croatian average, which isn't much of a surprise. The Bosniak and Croatian are probably not all too different, especially if both are from Bosnia.

[Ljubic]

I am in shock omg ...Here is from Bosnia and ..What surpise. It's disturbing me a lot. I think I will cry all night..I expected at least 36% baltic of some Croat.

Im not sure if youre ironic but my baltic percentage isnt much lower than the croatian average. What pulls me closer to serbian is the west/- and east-med admixture.

[Leto]

Try punt K15, it's usually accurate for Serbs.

[Dick]

Thank you, I put you in the K15 plot to see where you are:
https://i.imgur.com/BeQ4ujK.png

He is a long ago lost Goth like me



https://i.imgur.com/Mv0vjSm.png

[CommonSense]

How did you end up having such a diverse ancestry? I didn't know there were any Bulgarians in Bosnia.

[Ljubic]

puntDNAL K15


# Population Percent
1 NE_European 50.11
2 Mediterranean 28.85
3 Caucasian 11.81
4 SW_Asian 7.4
5 Beringian 1.26
6 Wht_Nile_River 0.24
7 S_African 0.19
8 Amerindian 0.13

# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 4.89
2 Serbian 5.34
3 Hungarian 6.17
4 Austrian 6.48
5 South_German 6.72
6 Utahn_White 7.06
7 Slovenian 7.34
8 Irish 7.9
9 French 7.91
10 Bosnian 7.97
11 Orcadian 8.41
12 English 8.48
13 Macedonian 9.65
14 North_German 9.83
15 Scottish 10
16 Romanian 10.89
17 Norwegian 11.05
18 Bulgarian 11.5
19 Swedish 13
20 Montenegrin 13.19

Yeah now its completely twisted. Bosnian and Bulgarian is pretty low while Croatian is on top now which kinda correlates with the 50% Croatian ancestry. Makes me wonder where the samples have been taken from.

[Ljubic]

How did you end up having such a diverse ancestry? I didn't know there were any Bulgarians in Bosnia.

My Bulgarian Greatgrandfather married a German from Czechia while their offspring married a Bosniak. I dont know how something like that could happen but it did.

[Leto]

puntDNAL K15


# Population Percent
1 NE_European 50.11
2 Mediterranean 28.85
3 Caucasian 11.81
4 SW_Asian 7.4
5 Beringian 1.26
6 Wht_Nile_River 0.24
7 S_African 0.19
8 Amerindian 0.13

# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 4.89
2 Serbian 5.34
3 Hungarian 6.17
4 Austrian 6.48
5 South_German 6.72
6 Utahn_White 7.06
7 Slovenian 7.34
8 Irish 7.9
9 French 7.91
10 Bosnian 7.97
11 Orcadian 8.41
12 English 8.48
13 Macedonian 9.65
14 North_German 9.83
15 Scottish 10
16 Romanian 10.89
17 Norwegian 11.05
18 Bulgarian 11.5
19 Swedish 13
20 Montenegrin 13.19

Yeah now its completely twisted. Bosnian and Bulgarian is pretty low while Croatian is on top now which kinda correlates with the 50% Croatian ancestry. Makes me wonder where the samples have been taken from.
You left out the mixed mode models though.

[Ljubic]

You left out the mixed mode models though.

I did because they dont make any sense


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 84.6% Scottish + 15.4% Bedouin_A @ 2.22
2 86.9% Orcadian + 13.1% Bedouin_A @ 2.29
3 89% Austrian + 11% Samaritian @ 2.3
4 89.4% Irish + 10.6% Saudi @ 2.37
5 86.9% English + 13.1% Bedouin_A @ 2.45
6 83.5% Austrian + 16.5% Ashkenazy_Jew @ 2.6
7 88.7% Austrian + 11.3% Cypriot @ 2.63
8 89.3% Austrian + 10.7% Libyan @ 2.65
9 84.3% Austrian + 15.7% Sicilian @ 2.69
10 85.3% Austrian + 14.7% Sephardic_Jew @ 2.7
11 87.8% Irish + 12.2% Bedouin_A @ 2.7
12 89.6% Austrian + 10.4% Druze @ 2.71
13 54.6% Albanian + 45.4% Lithuanian @ 2.75
14 89.8% Austrian + 10.2% Yemenite_Jew @ 2.78
15 88.9% English + 11.1% Saudi @ 2.8
16 89.1% Austrian + 10.9% Jordanian @ 2.8
17 79.5% Swedish + 20.5% Samaritian @ 2.81
18 88.9% Austrian + 11.1% Palestinian @ 2.82
19 77.9% Austrian + 22.1% Albanian @ 2.83
20 65.7% Montenegrin + 34.3% Lithuanian @ 2.83

[Dick]

I did because they dont make any sense


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 84.6% Scottish + 15.4% Bedouin_A @ 2.22
2 86.9% Orcadian + 13.1% Bedouin_A @ 2.29
3 89% Austrian + 11% Samaritian @ 2.3
4 89.4% Irish + 10.6% Saudi @ 2.37
5 86.9% English + 13.1% Bedouin_A @ 2.45
6 83.5% Austrian + 16.5% Ashkenazy_Jew @ 2.6
7 88.7% Austrian + 11.3% Cypriot @ 2.63
8 89.3% Austrian + 10.7% Libyan @ 2.65
9 84.3% Austrian + 15.7% Sicilian @ 2.69
10 85.3% Austrian + 14.7% Sephardic_Jew @ 2.7
11 87.8% Irish + 12.2% Bedouin_A @ 2.7
12 89.6% Austrian + 10.4% Druze @ 2.71
13 54.6% Albanian + 45.4% Lithuanian @ 2.75
14 89.8% Austrian + 10.2% Yemenite_Jew @ 2.78
15 88.9% English + 11.1% Saudi @ 2.8
16 89.1% Austrian + 10.9% Jordanian @ 2.8
17 79.5% Swedish + 20.5% Samaritian @ 2.81
18 88.9% Austrian + 11.1% Palestinian @ 2.82
19 77.9% Austrian + 22.1% Albanian @ 2.83
20 65.7% Montenegrin + 34.3% Lithuanian @ 2.83

That's odd. Mine is strange like yours but unlike you I have no outside ancestry.

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 87.2% North_German + 12.8% Saudi @ 2.27
2 82% Swedish + 18% Bedouin_A @ 2.42
3 91.8% Austrian + 8.2% Saudi @ 2.44
4 91.2% Irish + 8.8% Bedouin_B @ 2.52
5 90.8% Slovenian + 9.2% Saudi @ 2.56
6 93.9% Hungarian + 6.1% Bedouin_B @ 2.66
7 84.1% Norwegian + 15.9% Bedouin_A @ 2.73
8 88.7% Orcadian + 11.3% Saudi @ 2.78
9 92.4% Hungarian + 7.6% Saudi @ 2.82
10 89% Irish + 11% Saudi @ 2.84
11 86.7% Scottish + 13.3% Saudi @ 2.84
12 92.8% Slovenian + 7.2% Bedouin_B @ 2.85
13 86.2% Norwegian + 13.8% Saudi @ 2.9
14 90.9% Austrian + 9.1% Bedouin_A @ 2.97
15 93.8% Austrian + 6.2% Bedouin_B @ 3.02
16 90.8% Austrian + 9.2% Yemenese @ 3.05
17 90.7% Austrian + 9.3% Yemenite_Jew @ 3.07
18 94.8% Croatian + 5.2% Bedouin_B @ 3.2
19 78.5% Polish + 21.5% Samaritian @ 3.27
20 90.6% Austrian + 9.4% Libyan @ 3.3

[Ljubic]

That's odd. Mine is strange like yours but unlike you I have no outside ancestry.

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 87.2% North_German + 12.8% Saudi @ 2.27
2 82% Swedish + 18% Bedouin_A @ 2.42
3 91.8% Austrian + 8.2% Saudi @ 2.44
4 91.2% Irish + 8.8% Bedouin_B @ 2.52
5 90.8% Slovenian + 9.2% Saudi @ 2.56
6 93.9% Hungarian + 6.1% Bedouin_B @ 2.66
7 84.1% Norwegian + 15.9% Bedouin_A @ 2.73
8 88.7% Orcadian + 11.3% Saudi @ 2.78
9 92.4% Hungarian + 7.6% Saudi @ 2.82
10 89% Irish + 11% Saudi @ 2.84
11 86.7% Scottish + 13.3% Saudi @ 2.84
12 92.8% Slovenian + 7.2% Bedouin_B @ 2.85
13 86.2% Norwegian + 13.8% Saudi @ 2.9
14 90.9% Austrian + 9.1% Bedouin_A @ 2.97
15 93.8% Austrian + 6.2% Bedouin_B @ 3.02
16 90.8% Austrian + 9.2% Yemenese @ 3.05
17 90.7% Austrian + 9.3% Yemenite_Jew @ 3.07
18 94.8% Croatian + 5.2% Bedouin_B @ 3.2
19 78.5% Polish + 21.5% Samaritian @ 3.27
20 90.6% Austrian + 9.4% Libyan @ 3.3

It seems the puntDNAL Oracle 4 isnt as good as the Eurogenes one. Its still isnt accurate for me but also not as wild.

[Nurzat]

That's odd. Mine is strange like yours but unlike you I have no outside ancestry.

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 87.2% North_German + 12.8% Saudi @ 2.27
2 82% Swedish + 18% Bedouin_A @ 2.42
3 91.8% Austrian + 8.2% Saudi @ 2.44
4 91.2% Irish + 8.8% Bedouin_B @ 2.52
5 90.8% Slovenian + 9.2% Saudi @ 2.56
6 93.9% Hungarian + 6.1% Bedouin_B @ 2.66
7 84.1% Norwegian + 15.9% Bedouin_A @ 2.73
8 88.7% Orcadian + 11.3% Saudi @ 2.78
9 92.4% Hungarian + 7.6% Saudi @ 2.82
10 89% Irish + 11% Saudi @ 2.84
11 86.7% Scottish + 13.3% Saudi @ 2.84
12 92.8% Slovenian + 7.2% Bedouin_B @ 2.85
13 86.2% Norwegian + 13.8% Saudi @ 2.9
14 90.9% Austrian + 9.1% Bedouin_A @ 2.97
15 93.8% Austrian + 6.2% Bedouin_B @ 3.02
16 90.8% Austrian + 9.2% Yemenese @ 3.05
17 90.7% Austrian + 9.3% Yemenite_Jew @ 3.07
18 94.8% Croatian + 5.2% Bedouin_B @ 3.2
19 78.5% Polish + 21.5% Samaritian @ 3.27
20 90.6% Austrian + 9.4% Libyan @ 3.3

I am more Serb than you guys on puntDNAL K15:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 2.36
2 Croatian 4.15
3 Hungarian 6.01
4 Bosnian 6.28
5 South_German 6.48
6 Utahn_White 6.89
7 Slovenian 7.22
8 Austrian 7.23
9 French 7.41
10 Irish 7.68
11 Macedonian 8.06
12 English 8.73
13 Orcadian 8.81
14 Romanian 9.81
15 North_German 9.87
16 Scottish 10.25
17 Bulgarian 10.44
18 Norwegian 11.53
19 Montenegrin 12.47
20 Swedish 13.42


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 90.6% Serbian + 9.4% Mordovian @ 0.98
2 91.6% Serbian + 8.4% Finnish @ 1.05
3 90.9% Serbian + 9.1% Russian @ 1.11
4 91.3% Serbian + 8.7% Karelian @ 1.15
5 52.8% Slovenian + 47.2% Macedonian @ 1.34
6 61.5% Bosnian + 38.5% North_German @ 1.35
7 68.5% Bosnian + 31.5% Swedish @ 1.37
8 76.3% Macedonian + 23.7% Lithuanian @ 1.38
9 91.9% Serbian + 8.1% Belarusian @ 1.38
10 93.5% Serbian + 6.5% Chuvash @ 1.4
11 57.6% Hungarian + 42.4% Macedonian @ 1.42
12 73.2% Macedonian + 26.8% Belarusian @ 1.43
13 67.1% Croatian + 32.9% Macedonian @ 1.44
14 75.7% Serbian + 24.3% Hungarian @ 1.44
15 93.2% Serbian + 6.8% Lithuanian @ 1.44
16 67.6% Serbian + 32.4% Croatian @ 1.45
17 55.3% Bosnian + 44.7% Irish @ 1.46
18 79.3% Serbian + 20.7% Slovenian @ 1.47
19 65.2% Bosnian + 34.8% Norwegian @ 1.49
20 62.5% Bosnian + 37.5% Scottish @ 1.53

[HungryLion]

Maybe mixing whit germans( which is totaly unusal for..:rolleyes:) pull you more south..Think about it . But I think you have more or less average result for someone from Bosnia.

[Ljubic]

Do we know the where the Croatian und Serbian samples come from? Or are they from diverse locations of their respective countries? I cant imagine a Dalmatian Croat being the same as one from Zagorje or a Kosovo Serb clustering with one from Vojvodina.

[Bosniensis]

How did you end up having such a diverse ancestry? I didn't know there were any Bulgarians in Bosnia.

Why do you think there were no Bulgarians in Bosnia?

[CommonSense]

Do we know the where the Croatian und Serbian samples come from? Or are they from diverse locations of their respective countries? I cant imagine a Dalmatian Croat being the same as one from Zagorje or a Kosovo Serb clustering with one from Vojvodina.

Vojvodina Serbs, with the exception of recent arrivals, descend from Kosovo and Raška Serbs who came there in 1690 or later.

[HungryLion]

Do we know the where the Croatian und Serbian samples come from? Or are they from diverse locations of their respective countries? I cant imagine a Dalmatian Croat being the same as one from Zagorje or a Kosovo Serb clustering with one from Vojvodina.

I agree, I think the people should be most similar to the move from Western Serbia to Dalmatia...

[Ljubic]

My fathers test results from 23andme came in


Eurogenes K13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 31.45
2 North_Atlantic 20.75
3 East_Med 16.22
4 West_Med 15.23
5 West_Asian 10.97
6 Red_Sea 4.54

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Serbian @ 8.133100
2 Moldavian @ 8.158525
3 Romanian @ 8.702277
4 Bulgarian @ 9.311501
5 Croatian @ 11.420136
6 Hungarian @ 14.299905
7 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 17.589355
8 Greek_Thessaly @ 18.671915
9 Austrian @ 19.013071
10 Ukrainian @ 19.103321
11 South_Polish @ 19.152969
12 East_German @ 20.266310
13 Southwest_Russian @ 21.514219
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 21.646276
15 Polish @ 22.649935
16 Tatar @ 23.050436
17 Russian_Smolensk @ 24.047909
18 Estonian_Polish @ 24.655935
19 North_Italian @ 25.358210
20 Belorussian @ 25.382063

Eurogenes K15

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 23.07
2 North_Sea 18.30
3 East_Med 14.45
4 West_Med 11.35
5 Eastern_Euro 10.86
6 West_Asian 9.27
7 Atlantic 8.57
8 Red_Sea 3.94

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Moldavian @ 10.195410
2 Romanian @ 10.893278
3 Bulgarian @ 12.216893
4 Serbian @ 12.262586
5 Croatian @ 13.481596
6 Hungarian @ 14.162113
7 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 16.291906
8 Greek_Thessaly @ 17.352713
9 Ukrainian @ 17.835049
10 Austrian @ 17.971149
11 South_Polish @ 18.404079
12 Greek @ 20.294704
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 20.767210
14 East_German @ 20.872385
15 Southwest_Russian @ 21.543428
16 Russian_Smolensk @ 21.643198
17 Polish @ 21.728180
18 Belorussian @ 23.455805
19 Ashkenazi @ 23.878849
20 Estonian_Polish @ 24.072868

Eurogenes K36

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 4.03 Pct
Armenian 0.21 Pct
Basque 1.86 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 7.27 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 8.90 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 19.69 Pct
East_Med 5.37 Pct
Eastern_Euro 7.02 Pct
Fennoscandian 3.21 Pct
French 4.44 Pct
Iberian 2.80 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 18.79 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 1.07 Pct
North_African 1.37 Pct
North_Atlantic 6.19 Pct
North_Caucasian 0.31 Pct
North_Sea 2.02 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 0.41 Pct
West_African -
West_Caucasian 4.14 Pct
West_Med 0.91 Pct

PuntDNAL K15

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_European 49.18
2 Mediterranean 26.54
3 Caucasian 11.06
4 SW_Asian 10.20
5 Horn_Of_Africa 2.31

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Croatian @ 7.939699
2 Serbian @ 8.858267
3 Hungarian @ 8.904469
4 Austrian @ 9.196777
5 Bosnian @ 10.054993
6 Slovenian @ 10.156669
7 South_German @ 10.760468
8 Utahn_White @ 11.136331
9 Irish @ 11.506269
10 Orcadian @ 11.854652
11 French @ 11.976624
12 English @ 12.206156
13 Macedonian @ 12.240404
14 North_German @ 13.128700
15 Romanian @ 13.579771
16 Scottish @ 13.680044
17 Bulgarian @ 14.030741
18 Norwegian @ 14.288017
19 Montenegrin @ 15.629291
20 Swedish @ 16.071339

Paternal side is from Northeast Bosnia and Maternal from Duvno (Tomislavgrad).

Excluding the USA, most of his matches on 23andme are from Croatia and then from Bosnia with Serbia having 100 matches less.

[Vožd]

Do we know the where the Croatian und Serbian samples come from? Or are they from diverse locations of their respective countries? I cant imagine a Dalmatian Croat being the same as one from Zagorje or a Kosovo Serb clustering with one from Vojvodina.

In Serbia difference is more west-east, than south-north.

[Leto]

My fathers test results from 23andme came in


Eurogenes K13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 31.45
2 North_Atlantic 20.75
3 East_Med 16.22
4 West_Med 15.23
5 West_Asian 10.97
6 Red_Sea 4.54

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Serbian @ 8.133100
2 Moldavian @ 8.158525
3 Romanian @ 8.702277
4 Bulgarian @ 9.311501
5 Croatian @ 11.420136
6 Hungarian @ 14.299905
7 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 17.589355
8 Greek_Thessaly @ 18.671915
9 Austrian @ 19.013071
10 Ukrainian @ 19.103321
11 South_Polish @ 19.152969
12 East_German @ 20.266310
13 Southwest_Russian @ 21.514219
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 21.646276
15 Polish @ 22.649935
16 Tatar @ 23.050436
17 Russian_Smolensk @ 24.047909
18 Estonian_Polish @ 24.655935
19 North_Italian @ 25.358210
20 Belorussian @ 25.382063

Eurogenes K15

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 23.07
2 North_Sea 18.30
3 East_Med 14.45
4 West_Med 11.35
5 Eastern_Euro 10.86
6 West_Asian 9.27
7 Atlantic 8.57
8 Red_Sea 3.94

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Moldavian @ 10.195410
2 Romanian @ 10.893278
3 Bulgarian @ 12.216893
4 Serbian @ 12.262586
5 Croatian @ 13.481596
6 Hungarian @ 14.162113
7 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 16.291906
8 Greek_Thessaly @ 17.352713
9 Ukrainian @ 17.835049
10 Austrian @ 17.971149
11 South_Polish @ 18.404079
12 Greek @ 20.294704
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 20.767210
14 East_German @ 20.872385
15 Southwest_Russian @ 21.543428
16 Russian_Smolensk @ 21.643198
17 Polish @ 21.728180
18 Belorussian @ 23.455805
19 Ashkenazi @ 23.878849
20 Estonian_Polish @ 24.072868

Eurogenes K36

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 4.03 Pct
Armenian 0.21 Pct
Basque 1.86 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 7.27 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 8.90 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 19.69 Pct
East_Med 5.37 Pct
Eastern_Euro 7.02 Pct
Fennoscandian 3.21 Pct
French 4.44 Pct
Iberian 2.80 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 18.79 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 1.07 Pct
North_African 1.37 Pct
North_Atlantic 6.19 Pct
North_Caucasian 0.31 Pct
North_Sea 2.02 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 0.41 Pct
West_African -
West_Caucasian 4.14 Pct
West_Med 0.91 Pct

PuntDNAL K15

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_European 49.18
2 Mediterranean 26.54
3 Caucasian 11.06
4 SW_Asian 10.20
5 Horn_Of_Africa 2.31

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Croatian @ 7.939699
2 Serbian @ 8.858267
3 Hungarian @ 8.904469
4 Austrian @ 9.196777
5 Bosnian @ 10.054993
6 Slovenian @ 10.156669
7 South_German @ 10.760468
8 Utahn_White @ 11.136331
9 Irish @ 11.506269
10 Orcadian @ 11.854652
11 French @ 11.976624
12 English @ 12.206156
13 Macedonian @ 12.240404
14 North_German @ 13.128700
15 Romanian @ 13.579771
16 Scottish @ 13.680044
17 Bulgarian @ 14.030741
18 Norwegian @ 14.288017
19 Montenegrin @ 15.629291
20 Swedish @ 16.071339

Paternal side is from Northeast Bosnia and Maternal from Duvno (Tomislavgrad).

Excluding the USA, most of his matches on 23andme are from Croatia and then from Bosnia with Serbia having 100 matches less.
I would recommend you use the regular oracle, not the least squares method.

[CommonSense]

Post his full K15 values so I can make the PCA. I must say his results are indeed unusal, he has a noteably lower 'Atlantic' score on K15 compared to me and mine is the lowest I've seen among any Serb or West Balkanite (around 12)! The 'North Atlantic' score is also unusally low and the 'Red Sea' is much higher than the Croatian average on both of the eurogenes calculators.

[Ford]

Your father is 100% Bosnian Croat? His Red Sea component is very high. Not to mention the somewhat higher East Med and West Asian.

[Ljubic]

Eurogenes K15

Population
North_Sea 18.30 Pct
Atlantic 8.57 Pct
Baltic 23.07 Pct
Eastern_Euro 10.86 Pct
West_Med 11.35 Pct
West_Asian 9.27 Pct
East_Med 14.45 Pct
Red_Sea 3.94 Pct
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.20 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

Yes he is 100 % a Bosnian Croat. I thought my mother would pull me south but that doesnt seem to be the case.

[Leto]

Eurogenes K15

Population
North_Sea 18.30 Pct
Atlantic 8.57 Pct
Baltic 23.07 Pct
Eastern_Euro 10.86 Pct
West_Med 11.35 Pct
West_Asian 9.27 Pct
East_Med 14.45 Pct
Red_Sea 3.94 Pct
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.20 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

Yes he is 100 % a Bosnian Croat. I thought my mother would pull me south but that doesnt seem to be the case.
Pos the K13 oracle please (not the least squares method).

[Ljubic]

Pos the K13 oracle please (not the least squares method).

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 31.45
2 North_Atlantic 20.75
3 East_Med 16.22
4 West_Med 15.23
5 West_Asian 10.97
6 Red_Sea 4.54
7 Northeast_African 0.55
8 Sub-Saharan 0.23
9 Oceanian 0.05

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 7.16
2 Moldavian 7.23
3 Romanian 7.74
4 Bulgarian 8.27
5 Croatian 9.97
6 Hungarian 12.48
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 15.38
8 Greek_Thessaly 16.43
9 Austrian 16.48
10 South_Polish 16.76
11 Ukrainian 16.76
12 East_German 17.56
13 Southwest_Russian 18.99
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 19.08
15 Polish 19.79
16 Russian_Smolensk 21.09
17 Estonian_Polish 21.64
18 Tatar 21.97
19 Belorussian 22.29
20 North_Italian 22.43

[CommonSense]

Eurogenes K15

Population
North_Sea 18.30 Pct
Atlantic 8.57 Pct
Baltic 23.07 Pct
Eastern_Euro 10.86 Pct
West_Med 11.35 Pct
West_Asian 9.27 Pct
East_Med 14.45 Pct
Red_Sea 3.94 Pct
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.20 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

Yes he is 100 % a Bosnian Croat. I thought my mother would pull me south but that doesnt seem to be the case.

Here you go. I must say this is extremely unusual, I've never seen a single Croat plot so far to the southeast, not even the people from Zadar! Are you certain he has no other ancestry?

https://i.imgur.com/zocaeoj.png

I suppose Insuperable could be somewhere in this range, but he is too afraid of Pribislav and Ayetooey to post his own results xD

[Ford]

Here you go. I must say this is extremely unusual, I've never seen a single Croat plot so far to the southeast, not even the people from Zadar! Are you certain he has no other ancestry?

https://i.imgur.com/zocaeoj.png

I suppose Insuperable could be somewhere in this range, but he is too afraid of Pribislav and Ayetooey to post his own results xD

Quite amazing that his father turned out to be the one pulling him south. Never would have expected that. I wonder if the genetic variation among south-west Slavs is greater than we think we believe.

[Ljubic]

Its nothing to be afraid or ashamed of. My father is pretty much a Croat from Bosnia and these results wont change that. He doesnt have any unusual matches as well. Mostly from Croatia and Bosnia.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Its nothing to be afraid or ashamed of. My father is pretty much a Croat from Bosnia and these results wont change that. He doesnt have any unusual matches as well. Mostly from Croatia and Bosnia.

Where in Bosnia he's from ?

[Ljubic]

Where in Bosnia he's from ?

Maternal: Duvno
Paternal: Brcko

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Maternal: Duvno
Paternal: Brcko

I bet the southern pull comes from your Brcko side. I'm partly Posavina Croat from Gradačac and looks like my BiH Croat side was southern shifted.
more east you go more south shifted

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

I don't know where the Croat reference was taken from. Probably from Northern Croatia. This guy is probably average for BiH. Vlatko Vukovic got 35% though and he is a Bosniak.

Not at all man. Cratian average is just average, NW Croats are significantly more northern shifted than that. His father result is obviously very atypical like Insuperable.
We got BiH Croat Max Soldo who cluster exactly with Cro average and Max Luburić who is more northern shifted than Vlatko Vuković.

On Croatian PCA we were making BiH Croats have pretty much same range as other non-NW Croats. BiH itself has some diversity tho, just like Croatia.

[Ljubic]

Whats funny though is that now that his Raw DNA has been processed in Gedmatch, i could see some other matches from him. One of the matches he has is some japanese dude he shares 43 cm with, the largest segment being 13 cm.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Whats funny though is that now that his Raw DNA has been processed in Gedmatch, i could see some other matches from him. One of the matches he has is some japanese dude he shares 43 cm with, the largest segment being 13 cm.

Is that Jap part white ?

[Ljubic]

Is that Jap part white ?

I looked at the admix calculators and no, he is fully asian.

My fathers Kit is "UQ5281904".

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

I looked at the admix calculators and no, he is fully asian.

My fathers Kit is "UQ5281904".

Amazing how he doesn't score any mong but matches Japanese dude. Your dad could be partly Sephardic imo, very high red sea/east med/west asian point to that.
Is his family rural or from city ?

13 81.9% Croatian + 18.1% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.91
14 81.5% Croatian + 18.5% Samaritan @ 2.91

[Ljubic]

Amazing how he doesn't score any mong but matches Japanese dude. Your dad could be partly Sephardic imo, very high red sea/east med/west asian point to that.
Is his family rural or from city ?

13 81.9% Croatian + 18.1% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.91
14 81.5% Croatian + 18.5% Samaritan @ 2.91

Paternal side is from Brcko city while maternal is rural.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Paternal side is from Brcko city while maternal is rural.

Pretty sure this is coming from your paternal side as I guessed mate. Do he gets any exotic dna matches except that Jap ?

[Ljubic]

Pretty sure this is coming from your paternal side as I guessed mate. Do he gets any exotic dna matches except that Jap ?

Everything else is european or mixed american so thats the only exotic case. Im at work so i cant look at the admix of his closer matches. I will look into it later.

[Ljubic]

I have the feeling that the Asian match must be some kind of mistake. How can he share so many cm with my father but not a single one with me?

[CommonSense]

I have the feeling that the Asian match must be some kind of mistake. How can he share so many cm with my father but not a single one with me?

What you say is possible. One of my closest matches is a Cuban guy with whom I share 30.1 cM, with the largest segment being 24.7!! He plots like a typical white Cuban too (95% Spaniard + 5% African) and he has no listed foreign ancestry in his extensive family tree. I find it hard to believe that we are actually related.

[Leto]

Not at all man. Cratian average is just average, NW Croats are significantly more northern shifted than that. His father result is obviously very atypical like Insuperable.
We got BiH Croat Max Soldo who cluster exactly with Cro average and Max Luburić who is more northern shifted than Vlatko Vuković.

On Croatian PCA we were making BiH Croats have pretty much same range as other non-NW Croats. BiH itself has some diversity tho, just like Croatia.
Max Soldo is 37% Baltic on K13 which is huge for a South Slav. He ignored my request to post Dodecad, I'd like to see how much North European he is. I'm sure at least 45%.