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Pan_
04-02-2019, 09:11 PM
Other than Papuans (94.59%) and Melanesians (68.72%), all other Eurogenes K13 populations have an Oceanian % in the single digits.

The European populations with the highest Oceanian % are as follows:

1. Chechen 1.05%
2. North_Swedish 0.88%
-. Italian_Jewish 0.88%
4. Finnish 0.81%
5. Ukrainian_Lviv 0.75%
-. Moldavian 0.75%
7. Swedish 0.71%
8. East Finnish 0.69%
9. Portuguese 0.67%
10. West_German 0.64%

It should also be noted that both La_Brana-1 (5.25%) and MA-1 (3.69%) have a very high Oceanian component.

Surprisingly I've got a high Oceanian %, that is ... 1.31%

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 26.13
2 Baltic 19.8
3 North_Atlantic 19.5
4 West_Med 17.71
5 West_Asian 13.98
6 Oceanian 1.31
7 Red_Sea 1.27
8 Sub-Saharan 0.25
9 Amerindian 0.06

This is way higher than the average % of the populations to which my parents belong (Greek_Thessaly: 0.32%, Central_Greek: 0.56%).

Actually, the population whose average Oceanian % (1.27%) is closest to mine are ... the Velamas people of India ("a caste found mainly in Andhra Pradesh and Telangana").

My profile is Greek with a Balkan slant:

1 Greek_Thessaly @ 5.957218
2 Bulgarian @ 8.100107
3 Romanian @ 11.053867
4 Central_Greek @ 11.704517

Actually, I've got a high Baltic % (19.80) - somewhere between that of French and Southwest_English and a low Red Sea one (1.27%) - similar to Polish, so this comes as a surprise.

Regarding non-European components, beyond the high Oceanian % (1.31), I've also got 0.25% Sub-saharan, i.e. the same as the Kol - "some of the Austroasiatic tribal groups of India", Altaian - "a Turkic people living in the Siberian Altai Republic and Altai Krai" and Shors - "a Turkic people in the Kemerovo Oblast in Russia" peoples, while on the other hand I've got:

0 South Asian (like a Sardinian or La_Brana-1)
0 East Asian (like a Sardinian, Spanish_Extremadura, or MA-1)
0 Siberian (like Spanish_Extremadura)
0 Northeast_African (like Ukrainian_Lviv or La_Brana-1).

I wonder how the above make sense, and what plausible explanation(s) could there be for that 1.31% Oceanian...

Pine
04-02-2019, 09:50 PM
Mine is:

Oceanian 0.97

Pine
04-02-2019, 09:53 PM
Post your Eurogenes K36

Pan_
04-02-2019, 10:17 PM
Post your Eurogenes K36

There you are:

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 0.55 Pct
Armenian 2.73 Pct
Basque 0.88 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 5.57 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 7.99 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 9.38 Pct
East_Med 10.65 Pct
Eastern_Euro 4.67 Pct
Fennoscandian -
French -
Iberian 9.47 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 20.30 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 7.20 Pct
North_African -
North_Atlantic 5.58 Pct
North_Caucasian 6.04 Pct
North_Sea -
Northeast_African -
Oceanian 0.34 Pct
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 4.31 Pct
West_Med 4.29 Pct

Damiăo de Góis
04-02-2019, 10:21 PM
I also score this, but only in K13 and K15. I think it's also present in K36, but i score none on that one.
Never knew what to make of it. I score 1% in K13 and 0.75% in K15.

Pan_
04-02-2019, 11:13 PM
I also score this, but only in K13 and K15. I think it's also present in K36, but i score none on that one.
Never knew what to make of it. I score 1% in K13 and 0.75% in K15.

That's interesting; I score 0.78 in K15.

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 21.56
2 Atlantic 15.15
3 West_Asian 15.08
4 West_Med 13.59
5 Baltic 12.87
6 North_Sea 10.94
7 Eastern_Euro 8.04
8 Red_Sea 1.99
9 Oceanian 0.78

That's lower than Velamas (1.10) this time, but still as high as Dharkar ("a Hindu caste found in the state of Uttar Pradesh, India.")

The top Oceanian % for European populations in K15 are as follows:

1. Italian_Jewish 0.75
2. North_Swedish 0.62
3. Moldavian 0.61
4. East_Finnish 0.56
5. Finnish 0.52
-. West_Sicilian 0.52
7. Estonian 0.46
-. Nogay 0.46 ("a Turkic ethnic group who live in the Russian North Caucasus region")
9. Ukrainian_Lviv 0.45
10. Chuvash 0.44 ("a Turkic ethnic group, native to an area stretching from the Volga Region to Siberia")
11. Central_Greek 0.43
12. Turkish 0.42
13. Portuguese 0.41
...

(Greek_Thessaly: 0.22 ; Central_Greek: 0.43)

- I've got a low West_Med % (13.59, compared to 17.47 for Greek_Thessaly and 17.29 for Central_Greek)
- I've got a high Baltic % (12.87, compared to 11.50 for Greek_Thessaly, but more so compared to just 7.23 for Central_Greek)
- I've got a high Eastern_Euro % (8.04, compared to 5.16 for Greek_Thessaly, but more so compared to just 3.39 for Central_Greek)
- I've got a low Red_Sea % (1.99, compared to 4.01 for Greek_Thessaly, but more so compared to just 5.24 for Central_Greek) ~

The above, just as the Oceanian % thing are consistent with my K13 results (but the Sub-Saharan component went away with K15)

Pan_
04-02-2019, 11:23 PM
Oceanian % in all Eurogenes tests:

K13: 1.31 (~Velamas; "a caste found mainly in Andhra Pradesh and Telangana")
K15: 0.78 (~Dharkar; "a Hindu caste found in the state of Uttar Pradesh, India")
K9b: 0.96
K36: 0.34

Pine
04-02-2019, 11:24 PM
There you are:

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 0.55 Pct
Armenian 2.73 Pct
Basque 0.88 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 5.57 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 7.99 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 9.38 Pct
East_Med 10.65 Pct
Eastern_Euro 4.67 Pct
Fennoscandian -
French -
Iberian 9.47 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 20.30 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 7.20 Pct
North_African -
North_Atlantic 5.58 Pct
North_Caucasian 6.04 Pct
North_Sea -
Northeast_African -
Oceanian 0.34 Pct
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 4.31 Pct
West_Med 4.29 Pct

My oceanian is almost the same as yours: Oceanian 0.33

El_Abominacion
04-02-2019, 11:27 PM
Surprisingly enough I score no Oceanian at all on this calculator

Population
North_Atlantic 16.25
Baltic 8.01
West_Med 4.14
West_Asian 15.77
East_Med 5.06
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 22.37
East_Asian 16.38
Siberian -
Amerindian 1.08
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.35
Sub-Saharan 10.59

Pine
04-02-2019, 11:30 PM
Oceanian % in all Eurogenes tests:

K13: 1.31 (~Velamas; "a caste found mainly in Andhra Pradesh and Telangana")
K15: 0.78 (~Dharkar; "a Hindu caste found in the state of Uttar Pradesh, India")
K9b: 0.96
K36: 0.34

K13:0.97
K15: 0.88
K9b: 0.57
K36: 0.33

I'm a Jew; you're Greek and the other dude is Portuguese. I suspect it's misread sub-saharan in meds.

dududud
04-03-2019, 07:05 AM
On my v3 23andme kit:

K13: 0.26
K15: 0
K9b: 0.51
K36: 0

Leto
04-03-2019, 11:51 AM
Guys, 1% on GEDmatch might mean nothing. Especially things like Oceanian, African, Amerindian in Europeans and Asians.

Helen
04-03-2019, 06:33 PM
I have 0.76%

Enviado desde mi SM-J530F mediante Tapatalk

Voskos
04-03-2019, 06:39 PM
I remember davidski saying south europe has higher onge admixture.not sure why.