Total European with Global25

[Ibericus]

Using nMonte with Global 25, I came up with a total european score, based on the following components:


Pre-Steppe Europe:
- Remedello_BA (this represents european farmern ancestry)
- European Hunter-Gatherers (Loschbour, Baltic, Ukraninian, Scandinavian, EHG)

Steppe invaders: Yamnaya Kalmyikia

Total Europe is: Pre-Steppe + Steppe invaders.

For non-european ancestry : Iranian Chalcolithic, Levant Chalcolithic, North-African and East-Eurasian.


Here is the table for many selected populations:


https://i.ibb.co/7v2c3qz/EUro-global.png

[Kaspias]

Would you mind to share reference csv or are we going to post our coordinates?

[karakartal]

I'm Balkan Turk. If you want, i'll share my coordinates for your table.

[Cumansky]

Can you run for me?

[FilhoV]

Using nMonte with Global 25, I came up with a total european score, based on the following components:


Pre-Steppe Europe:
- Remedello_BA (this represents european farmern ancestry)
- European Hunter-Gatherers (Loschbour, Baltic, Ukraninian, Scandinavian, EHG)

Steppe invaders: Yamnaya Kalmyikia

Total Europe is: Pre-Steppe + Steppe invaders.

For non-european ancestry : Iranian Chalcolithic, Levant Chalcolithic, North-African and East-Eurasian.


Here is the table for many selected populations:


https://i.ibb.co/7v2c3qz/EUro-global.png

Run mine mate


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Filho_V_scaled,0.094473,0.15436,0.034695,-0.011628,0.043085,-0.006414,-0.0094,0.000692,0.016975,0.028247,0.002111,0.00644 4,-0.015758,-0.010322,0.003664,-0.009944,0.000652,-0.005448,-0.003142,-0.002626,0.003119,0.000124,-0.001849,-0.001205,-0.003233

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Filho_V,0.0083,0.0152,0.0092,-0.0036,0.014,-0.0023,-0.004,0.0003,0.0083,0.0155,0.0013,0.0043,-0.0106,-0.0075,0.0027,-0.0075,0.0005,-0.0043,-0.0025,-0.0021,0.0025,0.0001,-0.0015,-0.001,-0.0027

[Aren]

What is the North African average you are using?
Also why only use pre-Steppe sample from Southern Europe and not TRB or GAC samples aswell?

Edit:
Steppe is overestimated for several Southern European averages due to the fact that you are using only Remedello_BA which has low HG-related ancestry in comparison to EBA farmer averages from Central Europe(since Steppe people did not arrive to West-Central Europe un-admixed obviously).

A more accurate rune IMO

"distance%=2.2041"

Spanish_Aragon

Iberia_Central_CA,31.2
Poland_GAC,27.6
Yamnaya_Kalmykia,26.4
Anatolia_EBA_Isparta,10.2
Guanche_Canary_Islands,4.6

"distance%=2.0264"

Italian_Bergamo

Poland_GAC,30.2
Yamnaya_Kalmykia,25.2
Anatolia_EBA_Isparta,24.6
Remedello_BA,20

[FilhoV]

What is the North African average you are using?
Also why only use pre-Steppe sample from Southern Europe and not TRB or GAC samples aswell?

Edit:
Steppe is overestimated for several Southern European averages due to the fact that you are using only Remedello_BA which has low HG-related ancestry in comparison to EBA farmer averages from Central Europe(since Steppe people did not arrive to West-Central Europe un-admixed obviously).

A more accurate rune IMO

"distance%=2.2041"

Spanish_Aragon

Iberia_Central_CA,31.2
Poland_GAC,27.6
Yamnaya_Kalmykia,26.4
Anatolia_EBA_Isparta,10.2
Guanche_Canary_Islands,4.6

"distance%=2.0264"

Italian_Bergamo

Poland_GAC,30.2
Yamnaya_Kalmykia,25.2
Anatolia_EBA_Isparta,24.6
Remedello_BA,20

Please run my coordinates using those populations they are posted in this thread

[Aren]

Please run my coordinates using those populations they are posted in this thread

"distance%=2.3599"

Filho_V_scaled

Poland_GAC,44
Yamnaya_Kalmykia,20.6
Anatolia_EBA_Isparta,17.6
Guanche_Canary_Islands,14.4
Iberia_Central_CA,3.4

"distance%=2.5722"

Filho_V_scaled

Remedello_BA,54.4
Yamnaya_Kalmykia,30.2
Guanche_Canary_Islands,14
Levant_ChL,1.4

[Coastal Elite]

Could someone please run mine. Thanks in advance.

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Daco_Celtic_scaled,0.133173,0.13405,0.043369,0.022 61,0.028313,0.01004,0.00235,0.004384,0.002863,0.00 6014,-0.00747,0.008243,-0.014123,-0.004542,0.004072,-0.000796,0.001043,-0.00076,0.006913,-0.002876,-0.001123,0.004699,0.005423,0.00976,-0.005628

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Daco_Celtic,0.0117,0.0132,0.0115,0.007,0.0092,0.00 36,0.001,0.0019,0.0014,0.0033,-0.0046,0.0055,-0.0095,-0.0033,0.003,-0.0006,0.0008,-0.0006,0.0055,-0.0023,-0.0009,0.0038,0.0044,0.0081,-0.0047

[FilhoV]

"distance%=2.3599"

Filho_V_scaled

Poland_GAC,44
Yamnaya_Kalmykia,20.6
Anatolia_EBA_Isparta,17.6
Guanche_Canary_Islands,14.4
Iberia_Central_CA,3.4

"distance%=2.5722"

Filho_V_scaled

Remedello_BA,54.4
Yamnaya_Kalmykia,30.2
Guanche_Canary_Islands,14
Levant_ChL,1.4

Thanks mate

[Ibericus]

What is the North African average you are using?
Also why only use pre-Steppe sample from Southern Europe and not TRB or GAC samples aswell?

Edit:
Steppe is overestimated for several Southern European averages due to the fact that you are using only Remedello_BA which has low HG-related ancestry in comparison to EBA farmer averages from Central Europe(since Steppe people did not arrive to West-Central Europe un-admixed obviously).

A more accurate rune IMO

"distance%=2.2041"

Spanish_Aragon

Iberia_Central_CA,31.2
Poland_GAC,27.6
Yamnaya_Kalmykia,26.4
Anatolia_EBA_Isparta,10.2
Guanche_Canary_Islands,4.6

"distance%=2.0264"

Italian_Bergamo

Poland_GAC,30.2
Yamnaya_Kalmykia,25.2
Anatolia_EBA_Isparta,24.6
Remedello_BA,20

- Globular Amphora have some small steppe in them, also i wanted to separate additional WHG from farmer ancestry
I used Remedello because its not too early (like Anatolia Barcin) but not too much hunter-admixed,
- Guanches have abundant euro-neolithic farmer ancestry in them thus the north-african will be inflated. I used Saharawi because they are less euro-admixed
- Anatolia EBA also have high farmer ancestry so they will "steal" some of it from the other farmer component , thats why i used Levant_Chl for near-est together with Iran_Chl

[Grace O'Malley]

Could someone run mine when they get the chance? Thanks in advance.

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Grace_scaled,0.138864,0.136081,0.064488,0.052003, 0.036314,0.017291,0.001645,0.006231,0.004909,-0.00328,-0.009094,0.004646,-0.011298,-0.009771,0.029994,0.005701,-0.007041,-0.004434,0.000377,0.007879,0.007112,0.007296,-0.005793,0.010845,-0.000479


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Grace_unscaled,0.0122,0.0134,0.0171,0.0161,0.0118 ,0.0062,0.0007,0.0027,0.0024,-0.0018,-0.0056,0.0031,-0.0076,-0.0071,0.0221,0.0043,-0.0054,-0.0035,0.0003,0.0063,0.0057,0.0059,-0.0047,0.009,-0.0004

[Grace O'Malley]

This is what I've gotten. I don't know all the samples that Ibericus used.

"fit": 4.096,
"Yamnaya_Kalmykia": 52.5,
"Remedello_BA": 38.33,
"SHG": 5,
"Loschbour": 4.17,
"Baltic_HG": 0,
"EHG": 0,
"Iberomaurusian": 0,
"Levant_ChL": 0,

This is using Aren's model.

"fit": 3.5531,
"Yamnaya_Kalmykia": 52.5,
"Globular_Amphora_Poland": 47.5,
"Anatolia_EBA_Isparta": 0,
"Remedello_BA": 0,

I think from all the models I've seen that Irish are right up there as far as Yamnaya component.

[Imperator Biff]

Cool model, would be very appreciative thanks.

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Imperator_Biff_scaled,0.133173,0.139128,0.061094,0 .04845,0.03416,0.013108,0.005875,0.001846,0.007363 ,0.006378,-0.005359,0.010191,-0.018731,-0.017616,0.027823,0.003845,-0.011604,0.005701,-0.002514,0.000875,0.007986,0.002473,-0.008381,0.022292,0.003832

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Imperator_Biff,0.0117,0.0137,0.0162,0.015,0.0111,0 .0047,0.0025,0.0008,0.0036,0.0035,-0.0033,0.0068,-0.0126,-0.0128,0.0205,0.0029,-0.0089,0.0045,-0.002,0.0007,0.0064,0.002,-0.0068,0.0185,0.0032

[celticdragongod]

Please run mine if not too much trouble. Thanks.

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cdg_scaled,0.134311,0.135065,0.063356,0.04845,0.03 7545,0.019801,0.003995,0.010153,0.007363,0.000911,-0.003735,0.006294,-0.01442,-0.009358,0.020222,-0.000133,-0.014342,0,0.007793,0.006628,-0.000374,0.000989,0.008258,0.016629,-0.001437

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cdg,0.0118,0.0133,0.0168,0.015,0.0122,0.0071,0.001 7,0.0044,0.0036,0.0005,-0.0023,0.0042,-0.0097,-0.0068,0.0149,-0.0001,-0.011,0,0.0062,0.0053,-0.0003,0.0008,0.0067,0.0138,-0.0012

[Not a Cop]

Using nMonte with Global 25, I came up with a total european score, based on the following components:



Do you have any idea of increased Levant among Slavs?

[firemonkey]

Please run my father's and mine.


Tim_G_scaled,0.129758,0.131003,0.064865,0.047158,0 .043393,0.019243,0.002585,0.003,0.006954,-0.000547,-0.002598,0.005095,-0.010406,-0.011147,0.027823,0.006364,-0.021253,0.005828,0.001885,0.001751,0.004367,0.001 855,-0.002218,0.008555,-0.003113

Tim_G_father_scaled,0.137726,0.139128,0.060339,0.0 39406,0.044008,0.017291,0.00517,0.011538,0.007772,-0.001276,-0.002923,0.004646,-0.010109,-0.003991,0.029858,0.001724,-0.021122,0.005448,0.002514,0.007003,0.009234,0.003 833,-0.004067,0.007832,-0.001676

[Vasconcelos]

- Globular Amphora have some small steppe in them, also i wanted to separate additional WHG from farmer ancestry
I used Remedello because its not too early (like Anatolia Barcin) but not too much hunter-admixed,
- Guanches have abundant euro-neolithic farmer ancestry in them thus the north-african will be inflated. I used Saharawi because they are less euro-admixed
- Anatolia EBA also have high farmer ancestry so they will "steal" some of it from the other farmer component , thats why i used Levant_Chl for near-est together with Iran_Chl

Why not just go for Iberomaurusian or Morocco_EN then? And Kalmykia seems like an odd choice, why not the regular Samara everyone uses?
GAC_Poland is also a better choice than Remedello_BA

[Vasconcelos]

Double post

[Aren]

- Globular Amphora have some small steppe in them, also i wanted to separate additional WHG from farmer ancestry
I used Remedello because its not too early (like Anatolia Barcin) but not too much hunter-admixed,
- Guanches have abundant euro-neolithic farmer ancestry in them thus the north-african will be inflated. I used Saharawi because they are less euro-admixed
- Anatolia EBA also have high farmer ancestry so they will "steal" some of it from the other farmer component , thats why i used Levant_Chl for near-est together with Iran_Chl

GAC doesn't have Steppe, it has some very minor EHG. Nevertheless it's the highest WHG admixed farmer group and most Euros strongly prefer GAC when modelled as that's what the Steppe Beakers and the CW mixed with when thye moved West. It's far more relevant for Europeans than Remedello_BA.
You do realize then that Levant_Chl and Iran_Chl also have around 40% Anatolian farmer? The name of the thread is total European and I agree with that non-European should defined as post-BA admixture from outside of Europe. But it wasn't movements of people like the Levant_Chl or Iran_Chl samples that contributed to modern Europeans but that of BA Anatolians. As my run shows there's far higher amount of post-BA West Asian admixture in most of southern Europe than what your runs show.

[Aren]

This is what I've gotten. I don't know all the samples that Ibericus used.

"fit": 4.096,
"Yamnaya_Kalmykia": 52.5,
"Remedello_BA": 38.33,
"SHG": 5,
"Loschbour": 4.17,
"Baltic_HG": 0,
"EHG": 0,
"Iberomaurusian": 0,
"Levant_ChL": 0,

This is using Aren's model.

"fit": 3.5531,
"Yamnaya_Kalmykia": 52.5,
"Globular_Amphora_Poland": 47.5,
"Anatolia_EBA_Isparta": 0,
"Remedello_BA": 0,

I think from all the models I've seen that Irish are right up there as far as Yamnaya component.

That second model is what makes most sense if you ask me. It shows you as a mixture of what the Bell Beakers were pretty much - ie Steppe people who mixed with Central European farmers when they headed West during the Early Bronze Age. There's no Roman or any other Southern shifted admixture in you either from what I can tell. There's even probably only minimal amount of British farmer as most of your ancestry probably comes from EBA North-Central Europe like most NW Europeans.