Europeans in Zanzibar in 800 CE

[Peterski]

I0588 Tanzania Zanzibar, sample published by Pontus Skoglund and dated to 800 AD:

https://i.imgur.com/2qHywnc.png

Eurogenes K15 results of this sample:

27834 SNPs used in this evaluation

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 26.89
2 West_Med 26.26
3 North_Sea 24.7
4 East_Med 6.37
5 Baltic 5.24
6 West_Asian 3
7 Red_Sea 2.41
8 Sub-Saharan 2.4
9 Eastern_Euro 1.48
10 Siberian 1.25

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Galicia 6.55
2 Portuguese 7.09
3 Spanish_Cantabria 7.34
4 Spanish_Cataluna 7.72
5 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 7.99
6 Spanish_Extremadura 8.15
7 Spanish_Murcia 8.9
8 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 9.69
9 Southwest_French 10.05
10 Spanish_Aragon 10.18
11 Spanish_Valencia 10.25
12 Spanish_Andalucia 10.47
13 French 11.81
14 North_Italian 12.6
15 South_Dutch 16.64
16 French_Basque 17.96
17 West_German 18.29
18 Southwest_English 18.53
19 Tuscan 18.61
20 Southeast_English 20.41

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 55.1% Orcadian + 44.9% Sardinian @ 4.56
2 60.8% Southwest_English + 39.2% Sardinian @ 5.11
3 55.2% West_Scottish + 44.8% Sardinian @ 5.35
4 55.9% Irish + 44.1% Sardinian @ 5.41
5 58.3% Southeast_English + 41.7% Sardinian @ 5.48
6 59.6% Spanish_Galicia + 40.4% Spanish_Cantabria @ 5.8
7 85.5% Spanish_Galicia + 14.5% French_Basque @ 5.89
8 92% Spanish_Galicia + 8% Sardinian @ 6.11
9 55% North_Dutch + 45% Sardinian @ 6.12
10 73.1% French + 26.9% Sardinian @ 6.18
11 79.4% Spanish_Galicia + 20.6% Spanish_Aragon @ 6.21
12 79.3% Spanish_Galicia + 20.7% Southwest_French @ 6.22
13 83.2% Spanish_Galicia + 16.8% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 6.38
14 80.4% Spanish_Galicia + 19.6% Spanish_Cataluna @ 6.47
15 88.9% Spanish_Galicia + 11.1% Spanish_Andalucia @ 6.47
16 88.9% Spanish_Galicia + 11.1% Spanish_Valencia @ 6.48
17 54.5% Portuguese + 45.5% Spanish_Cantabria @ 6.49
18 99.4% Spanish_Galicia + 0.6% Yoruban @ 6.51
19 99.4% Spanish_Galicia + 0.6% Mandenka @ 6.52
20 88% Spanish_Galicia + 12% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 6.52

Similarity map:

https://i.imgur.com/9ry2D0G.png

Europeans in Zanzibar - eastern coast of Africa - as early as 800 CE ???

This sample is also in Global25.

[Ülev]

Hello Africa


https://youtu.be/A3I8BISQfWc

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

snp quality ?

[Ülev]

http://i40.tinypic.com/14tu5xt.jpg

http://i44.tinypic.com/293bwup.jpg


more here ---> http://egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/thread/1458/white-males

[Vasconcelos]

snp quality ?

"27834 SNPs used in this evaluation"

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

"27834 SNPs used in this evaluation"

is that low or reliable enough ?

[Ülev]

http://egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/thread/1458/white-males


I recently found out about R-V88 in certain peoples from the Levant ie Bedouins Tribesmen, This paper not only further confirms the presence of this Central African marker in the Levant. But also this Central African marker presence in Sardinia, Corsica, Persia and Iberia. Always updating our knowledge is so important.
(...)
Interestingly, attempts to date the Y-STR-based diversity of R1b-M269 chromosomes in populations from Europe and Turkey have yielded Holocene expansion times in BOTH regions.7,22,23 These findings have led to the reappraisal that R1b-M269 in Europe is young and likely associated with a Neolithic demic expansion from the Near East through Anatolia.22,23
(...)
Although the frequency of R1 lineages is currently the highest in Europe, the phylogeographic argument for their origin outside Europe, likely somewhere in West Asia, arises from the geographic distribution of the primary splits in the R1 phylogeny: at least three basic R-M207-derived haplogroups – R1a-M420*, R1b-M343* and R2 – occur mostly outside Europe.

With the exception of rare incidences of R1b-V88 in Corsica, Sardinia13 and Southern France (Supplementary Table S4), there is nearly mutually exclusive patterning of V88 across trans-Saharan Africa vs the prominence of P297- related varieties widespread across the Caucasus, Circum-Uralic regions, Anatolia and Europe. The detection of V88 in Iran, Palestine and especially the Dead Sea, Jordan (Supplementary Table S4).
(...)
Major R1b Founder Effect in West Europe R1b-M412 appears to be the most common Y-chromosome haplogroup in Western Europe (70%), while being virtually absent in the Near East, the Caucasus and West Asia (Figure 1f).
Recent founder effects could explain why the M412-L11 assemblage of chromosomes is abundant and restricted to Western parts of Europe
Our estimate of 8870±1708 years BP, based on 757 M412 chromosomes, suggests that theM412 lineage evolved in Europe soon after the arrival of a L23* ancestor.
(...)
Subsequent studies dealing with the MSY diversity in Africa have confirmed the presence of R-P25*(xM269) in northern Cameroon at high frequencies23 and, at lower frequencies (mean 5%, range 0–20%), of R-P25* immediately south of Cameroon, in several populations from Gabon.25 Interestingly, chromosomes of haplogroup R-P25/R-M173, ancestral for M269 as well as for other ‘EURASIAN’ DOWNSTREAM MARKERS, have been found to be present in northern Africa (1% in Algeria, 4% in Tunisia, and 2–4% in Egypt).20,23,26 The presence of R-P25 Y chromosomes has also been reported in population groups from the Sudan;27 however, as no internal markers were typed, the sub-haplogroup affiliation of these chromosomes remains undefined. To shed some light on the past demographic processes that determined the present distribution of R-P25* in Africa, we searched for new MSY mutations refining the phylogeny of haplogroup R1b, and surveyed a wide range of African populations (4180 males from 69 populations) for the presence of the R1b haplogroup. More than 3500 subjects from Europe and Asia were also analyzed for the same haplogroup to obtain a better insight into the Asia-to-Africa back migration associated with this haplogroup.
(...)
We resequenced about 0.15Mb of the MSY for each of the four R1b subjects and found six new mutations (V7, V8, V35, V45, V69, and V88). The V45 mutation is phylogenetically EQUIVALENT to M173. Among the other five mutations, V88 defines a new monophyletic clade (R-V88 or R1b1a), which includes haplogroups R-M18 (R1b1a1, formerly R1b1a), R-V88 (R1b1a2), R-V35 (R1b1a3, further subdivided by the V7 mutation to R1b1a3* and R1b1a3a), and R-V69 (R1b1a4) (Figure 1).

In total, 997 chromosomes belonging to the haplogroup R1b were found. The paragroup R-M343*, earlier reported in a single subject from Turkey,28 was not observed. The overall scenario was characterized by a STRONG INTER-CONTINENTAL DIFFERENTIATION (Table 1). All the African R1b chromosomes, with the exception of one eastern- and A FEW northern-African R-M269 chromosomes, turned out to belong to the haplogroup R-V88. About one third of the African R-V88 chromosomes carried mutation V69, which was not observed outside Africa.
(...)
Outside central Africa, haplogroup R-V88 was only observed in Afroasiatic-speaking populations from northern Africa, with frequencies ranging from 0.3% in Morocco, to 3.0% in Algeria, and to 11.5% in Egypt, where a particularly high frequency (26.9%) was observed among the Berbers from the Siwa Oasis. Although the presence of the haplogroup R-V88 at non-negligible frequencies in some Niger- Congo-speaking populations from the central Sahel can be accounted
(...)
and
Notice Sardinia has the greates variability of R-M269

http://i39.tinypic.com/fvzp6b.jpg

[Ülev]

Some may think as an Africanist why am I obsessed with Sardinia. But I am first a Humanist. What part does Sardinia play in all of this. To me they are THE major player. And I am not the only one who thinks that….read on.

Notice the unique Sardinian R-M18 is on the Cameroonian R-V88 branch of R1b. Also true European R-M269 is only at about 17%.
And for the geographically challenged…a picture.



Note also R1a, R1b and R2 - the 3 older branches of the MAJOR clades are ALL represented in Sardinia . The hg-I clade- which is a dead end of the tree is worth investigating.
Y-Chromosome Based Evidence for Pre-Neolithic Origin of the Genetically Homogeneous but Diverse Sardinian – Contu et al(2008)

How old is this population? What is the explanation for the numerous founder effects observed for the genetic systems so far studied?


An advanced civilisation developed in the Bronze Age, characterized by the building of fortified towers, called Nuraghe, throughout the island. For instance, in 1627 AD a fiscal survey estimated the population to be 297,000.

Nuraghe from Sardinia
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/Nuraghe_Losa.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuraghe

and compare it with walls from Great Zimbabwe ruins

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3a/Great_Zimbabwe_Closeup.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d9/Great-Zimbabwe-2.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Zimbabwe

R1b was African as hell

[Ülev]

Here is something I came across on Black Iranians. What is really suprising is that 16% of the Black Iranians carry European M-269 - L23. And another 16% carry the sibling clade. That blew me away. This is the first time I have seen this.

http://i43.tinypic.com/287goqq.jpg

[Peterski]

is that low or reliable enough ?

Could be better, but it is surely enough to tell apart Africans from Europeans

[Peterski]

Is it possible that they made a mistake in dating and this is a 16th century sample, not 800 AD?

[Cumansky]

R1B the African noble race.

[Blondie]

we wuz euroz n shiet

[Peterski]

This sample is in Global25 and has Iberian results there too, so you can double-check it (just in case you think I'm posting fake results or something).

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

R1B the African noble race.

Nice trolling man.

[Peterski]

Could it be someone enslaved by the Moors who ended up in East Africa? :confused:

This case reminds me of this DA29 guy found in the middle of Kazakhstan:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?277814-Who-was-quot-Golden-Horde-European-quot-DA29-from-Kazakhstan

https://i.imgur.com/Yb5DHKO.png

[Cumansky]

Could it be someone enslaved by the Moors who ended up in East Africa? :confused:

This case reminds me of this DA29 guy found in the middle of Kazakhstan:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?277814-Who-was-quot-Golden-Horde-European-quot-DA29-from-Kazakhstan


https://i.imgur.com/Yb5DHKO.png

DA29 Kazakhstan is Cuman-Kipchak confederacy person, buried in Kurgan. That why sample is called "Golden Horde" because Cumans mingled from Khwarazm Empire in Central Asia to Bulgarian Empire in Balkans. One big highway.

[Mens-Sarda]

There is a problem with the parallel between Nuragic civilization and the walls of Great Zimbabwe. If Great Zimbabwe has been built in 800 A.D. then is 1300 years more recent than the last Nuraghe built in Sardinia. Nuragic civilization ceased to build Nuraghes around Vth century b.C. Even if Moors could have enslaved some people in Sardinia in 800 A.D. they surely wouldn't have built a Nuraghe.

[Smeagol]

Could it be someone enslaved by the Moors who ended up in East Africa? :confused:

Why enslaved? Many Iberians converted to Islam.

[Dick]

https://i.imgur.com/6HO8tAe.png

[Ayetooey]

Native white African before Black European I2/I1 people colonised Africa.

[War Chef]

https://i.imgur.com/6HO8tAe.png

They will publish Chernyakhov DNA just around the corner. Rumor has its very western in comparison who's living there today .

[Dick]

They will publish Chernyakhov DNA just around the corner. Rumor has its very western in comparison who's living there today .

Gallo-Scythian Bastarnae. Call Bosniensis

[War Chef]

Gallo-Scythian Bastarnae. Call Bosniensis


1) Theories concerning Chernyakhov as a Slavic homeland will apparently need to be fully rejected, due to the Germanic-like ancestry that will be reported in the study by Järve et al.

https://indo-european.eu/2019/04/common-slavs-from-the-lower-danube-expanding-with-haplogroup-e1b-v13/

[Dick]

https://indo-european.eu/2019/04/common-slavs-from-the-lower-danube-expanding-with-haplogroup-e1b-v13/

Interesting. I'll say present day Belarus is the Slavic homeland

[War Chef]

Interesting. I'll say present day Belarus is the Slavic homeland

Without question.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polesia

[War Chef]

Chernobyl is actually a good point of origin for the Slavs.

God had to make a Nuclear accident just to commemorate the Slavic homeland because they were so explosive in history.

[Bosniensis]

Gallo-Scythian Bastarnae. Call Bosniensis

we shall see...

[Dick]

we shall see...

especially if they find I2a-Din

[Bosniensis]

especially if they find I2a-Din

yeah that would be it.

[Mens-Sarda]

https://i.imgur.com/6HO8tAe.png

This guy looks like one from my village. Same traits, ears, nose, what about the hair colour?


https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/11742679_874491422598962_4746309369686639745_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=106&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=732cd228b40a4c5beb464fd7a4aa31d6&oe=5D3930A2

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/417776_532633303449354_2064075469_n.jpg?_nc_cat=11 0&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=eab90911ef2b7416141cd552a2260a5b&oe=5D2D12A9

This other instead is his brother, they are quite similar
https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/38511_1409556232011_5532115_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=1ff7ad753ba8919d5b2b33438df472d9&oe=5D3C2D45

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/225573_1051848970653_7071477_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=3c0e59ffea14eaff1150ce1db1974f69&oe=5D37087F

[War Chef]

^He also looks like Channing Tatum.

Generic ugloid potato head

[Dick]

This guy looks like one from my village. Same traits, ears, nose, what about the hair colour?

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[/spoiler]

Lol the reconstruction is a Goth

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?225186-Classify-this-skull-and-reconstruction&p=4733486&viewfull=1#post4733486

[XenophobicPrussian]

Nuraghe from Sardinia
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/Nuraghe_Losa.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuraghe

and compare it with walls from Great Zimbabwe ruins

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3a/Great_Zimbabwe_Closeup.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d9/Great-Zimbabwe-2.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Zimbabwe

R1b was African as hell
I know you're trolling but, incase anyone believed this, calling R1b-v88 an "African marker" is retarded because it's found in Ukrainian mesolithic HGs. Also, Great Zimbabwe ruins were built by Omani merchants, the area today has y-dna from the Arabian Peninsula(specifically Yemeni Jews).

Africa is probably the most colonized place on the planet, from the mesolithic, by nearly every people, even fucking Mongoloids(Madagascar), but mainly the British get shit for it.

As for the Spaniard in Zanzibar, Spain was Muslim at the time and the Muslim world was very interconnected. Timbuktu probably had quite a bit of Spaniards too. May've been a merchant or Christian slave.

[Lucas]

Or Spaniards are derived from Zanzibar...