View Full Version : Tolan K54 accuracy
Celestia
05-03-2019, 04:38 AM
I just ran my sisters AncestryDNA raw data through Tolan's K54 calculator and the results were a bit surprising.
28% Canary Islands..??
This is the first time any of us have tested this high for Iberian, I was wondering what you guys thought of this test and its accuracy.
I'm wondering if this could be why my sisters and I look so southern shifted.
87560
I love it when you talk nerdy
Chaos One
05-03-2019, 04:57 AM
Calculators can be really chaotic. I mean, some people will get nice results, some people will get weird since the way it works can be fine to some groups and really bad to others.
Celestia
05-03-2019, 05:03 AM
Calculators can be really chaotic. I mean, some people will get nice results, some people will get weird since the way it works can be fine to some groups and really bad to others.
Of course. I would just think this means we do actually have more Iberian than some of the other test (Like AncestryDNA) give us. Gedmatch gives a lot of Iberian as well.
Coastal Elite
05-03-2019, 05:07 AM
They nailed it! To be fair, this was in the fast mode. This calculators is mocking my life.
https://i.imgur.com/OSl9Kdt.jpg
Chaos One
05-03-2019, 05:08 AM
Of course. I would just think this means we do actually have more Iberian than some of the other test (Like AncestryDNA) give us. Gedmatch gives a lot of Iberian as well.
I would see if there's any constant number related to it. I face the same problem about my North African ancestry, and after some results I think I found a proper number about it.
If you get the same amount at most calculators and company tests, you problably have it. If not, I would see which results are more common or if they are totally different, which one would make more sense given your ancestry.
Celestia
05-03-2019, 05:09 AM
They nailed it! To be fair, this was in the fast mode. This calculators is mocking my life.
LOL okay so it's not very accurate. Thanks for sharing!
Of course. I would just think this means we do actually have more Iberian than some of the other results give us. Gedmatch gives a lot of Iberian as well.
Probably because most of your French ancestry is from Aquitaine and it can be interpreted as Basque-like. The French that settled in North America were from the southwest, northwest and Normandy. I've also seen French on 23andme get a good chunk of Iberian too.
Celestia
05-03-2019, 05:12 AM
Probably because most of your French ancestry is from Aquitaine and it can be interpreted as Basque-like. The French that settled in North America were from the southwest, northwest and Normandy. I've also seen French on 23andme get a good chunk of Iberian too.
This would make sense but documentation seems as if a good mix were from Bretagne and Poitou. This is probably why the results on these tests are never consistent. Besides these are generations back.
What I find interesting though is that my most recent ancestry is German (from Sachsen early 1900's) and Norwegian (from Stavanger early 1900's) yet both of these represent my ethnicity very insignificantly.
This would make sense but documentation seems as if a good mix were from Bretagne and Poitou. This is probably why the results on these tests are never consistent. Besides these are generations back.
What I find interesting though is that my most recent ancestry is German (from Sachsen early 1900's) and Norwegian (from Stavanger early 1900's) yet both of these represent my ethnicity very insignificantly.
An easier way to figure that out is to see where your matches are from and their shared ancestries. Don't rely on what percentages you get on third party calculators.
Kaspias
05-03-2019, 06:03 AM
It also gave me 45 Crete and 30 Saami which is weird but the chromosome map of it was perfectly accurate.
dosas
05-03-2019, 06:03 AM
It's not very accurate if you have mixed ancestry with non-euro populations. It doesn't have a Caucasus population reference like the K71 so it skips my 20%ish North Caucasian and gives me a total of 90%ish Cretan, which is not very accurate.
Lucas
05-03-2019, 10:52 AM
They nailed it! To be fair, this was in the fast mode. This calculators is mocking my life.
https://i.imgur.com/OSl9Kdt.jpg
Hahahahahah:) Author tried too much to make it very exact calc...
Stefanos.tasidis
05-03-2019, 10:53 AM
I love it when you talk nerdy
hahahaha
ph2ter
05-03-2019, 11:05 AM
They nailed it! To be fair, this was in the fast mode. This calculators is mocking my life.
https://i.imgur.com/OSl9Kdt.jpg
You did something wrong. This looks like unfinished.
Lucas
05-03-2019, 11:05 AM
You did something wrong. This looks like unfinished.
Look at other examples. This calc is unfinished.
Grace O'Malley
05-03-2019, 11:13 AM
Here's my K54. It is nearly the exact same as my K71. On my K36 map that LukaszM did my placement is in the North Atlantic between Iceland and Ireland. This is also my placement using the G25 map that ph2ter has just done and my G25 map by Davidski so this does appear to match my other results so for me it is accurate but I don't have mixed ancestry. If you have mixed ancestry it is going to find an approximate to account for all your ancestry.
http://i64.tinypic.com/1252b9l.jpg
ph2ter
05-03-2019, 11:17 AM
Look at other examples. This calc is unfinished.
It is not that bad. But it takes ages to finish.
Pubiczar
05-03-2019, 11:23 AM
They nailed it! To be fair, this was in the fast mode. This calculators is mocking my life.
https://i.imgur.com/OSl9Kdt.jpg
That's K54 admixture.
As Tolan explained, K54 is not designed for components admixture but for placement on your chromosomes on the map.
For detailed modern admixture you should refer only to K71.
ph2ter
05-03-2019, 11:38 AM
That's K54 admixture.
As Tolan explained, K54 is not designed for components admixture but for placement on your chromosomes on the map.
For detailed modern admixture you should refer only to K71.
No, it is not possible that all components have 2%. This is unfinished work.
Lucas
05-03-2019, 11:41 AM
That's K54 admixture.
As Tolan explained, K54 is not designed for components admixture but for placement on your chromosomes on the map.
For detailed modern admixture you should refer only to K71.
But Grace k54 above is ok. So it works only for some people. This is why is unfinished. Author told it is designed mainly for Europeans. So if you have "nonEuro" admix it makes result wrong probably
Matxe92
05-03-2019, 11:42 AM
If i don't get minimum 50% Denmark, and 10% North_Poland. I call bullshit. It takes forever tho to finish.
Pubiczar
05-03-2019, 11:43 AM
No, it is not possible that all components have 2%. This is unfinished work.
Probably he run it on fast mode(not that accurate).
Nevertheless, the admixture proportions are not something that should be taken literally, as Tolan himself said.
Grace O'Malley
05-03-2019, 11:46 AM
If i don't get minimum 50% Denmark, and 10% North_Poland. I call bullshit. It takes forever tho to finish.
It takes ages to run but I never get majority Irish on calcs. I get half Irish and half Norwegian/half North Dutch on most calcs so it depends on other factors. Your Polish might be a factor. Post when you get it done as I'd be interested to see how you go.
someonenotyou
05-03-2019, 10:01 PM
https://i.imgur.com/ji9Qtj7.png
How does a Hungarian get 0.05% Hungary?
I did k71, and it's pretty much the same there as well.
Impaler
05-03-2019, 10:09 PM
https://i.imgur.com/ji9Qtj7.png
How does a Hungarian get 0.05% Hungary?
I did k71, and it's pretty much the same there as well.
What a bullshit calculator! You score more Russian than Hungarian. :)))
Luke35
05-04-2019, 04:18 AM
What a bullshit calculator! You score more Russian than Hungarian. :)))
Well, I get 5% Hungarian...
https://i.imgur.com/aKeyPPR.png
Coastal Elite
05-04-2019, 04:43 AM
You did something wrong. This looks like unfinished.
It says "process finished" in the Process Output tab so I assume that means its finished. I had normal results with other calculators on Admixture Studio, but like I said, I have only done the fast mode for K54. I'll run it in normal mode and see if that changes anything.
firemonkey
05-04-2019, 01:40 PM
An easier way to figure that out is to see where your matches are from and their shared ancestries. Don't rely on what percentages you get on third party calculators.
Theoretically that's a good idea , but it's not easy in practice.
Coastal Elite
05-04-2019, 04:22 PM
Here are my revised results using normal speed. My previous post on page 1 showed fast mode results and they have changed quite a bit.
https://i.imgur.com/Z452rMQ.jpg
ph2ter
05-04-2019, 08:17 PM
Here are my revised results using normal speed. My previous post on page 1 showed fast mode results and they have changed quite a bit.
https://i.imgur.com/Z452rMQ.jpg
Quite a bit?
This is huge difference.
Celestia
05-04-2019, 08:21 PM
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=87622&d=1557001244
My Tolan K54 on the faster version.
Matxe92
05-04-2019, 09:11 PM
https://i.imgur.com/xo8swfA.jpg
Cumansky
05-04-2019, 09:16 PM
My computer broken can I send someone my raw data for this calc? If you don't have time all good.
Matxe92
05-04-2019, 09:28 PM
My computer broken can I send someone my raw data for this calc? If you don't have time all good.
It takes about 15-20 hours to run it.
firemonkey
05-04-2019, 09:40 PM
Most accurate mode
Component %
54-Orcadia 42.42%
36-SW-England 22.73%
51-NE-England 12.54%
35-Ireland 11.43%
27-Norway_north 10.09%
2-Denmark 0.41%
53-Norway 0.37%
Father
Component %
54-Orcadia 73.54%
52-Netherlands 10.82%
2-Denmark 9.57%
36-SW-England 4.48%
13-Sardinia_Italia 1.12%
35-Ireland 0.41%
51-NE-England 0.05%
Ritz06
05-05-2019, 01:22 AM
https://i.imgur.com/ADYOMXa.png
Powered by vBulletin® Version 4.2.3 Copyright © 2025 vBulletin Solutions, Inc. All rights reserved.