Delatinization of Rome and its genetic impact.

[Slavic Italian]

Reading this article it appears as if the Slavic tribes Sclaveni and Antes started to overrun much of the Roman Empire. Some hired as mercs by the Romans. One would have to believe some eventually settled in Italy. I believe this was the case with my ancestors. It appears much of Italy was also Germanized by the Lombards as they settled into Italy in the 500s-700s. This would mean modern Italians only have partial Roman admixture. That many would also have Slavic and Germanic admixture as well. This is not to mention Arab admixture from the Muslim Conquests. This would make modern Italians quite mixed. This would also somewhat explain why there was a language change. Because there was also a significant culture change with the addition of Slavic, Germanic, and Arab tribes in Italy. Thoughts?


https://byzantinemilitary.blogspot.com/2017/11/slavs-invade-roman-balkans.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Muslim_conquests

[Blondie]

"The genetic history of the current Italians is greatly influenced by geography and history. The ancestors of Italians are mostly Indo-Europeans, with particular reference to the Italic peoples, the most notable of them being the Latins, Umbrians, Sabines, Sicels and others. It is generally agreed that the invasions that followed for centuries the fall of the Roman Empire did not significantly alter the local gene pool, because of the relatively small number of Germanics, or other migrants, compared to the large population of what constituted Roman Italy.[1]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_Italy

[Slavic Italian]

"The genetic history of the current Italians is greatly influenced by geography and history. The ancestors of Italians are mostly Indo-Europeans, with particular reference to the Italic peoples, the most notable of them being the Latins, Umbrians, Sabines, Sicels and others. It is generally agreed that the invasions that followed for centuries the fall of the Roman Empire did not significantly alter the local gene pool, because of the relatively small number of Germanics, or other migrants, compared to the large population of what constituted Roman Italy.[1]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_Italy

You have to remember Italy was greatly depopulated in the 5th century. The Lombards and other Germanic tribes poured into the boot. I totally disagree that the gene pool was not altered even significantly. This strongly hints at outside influence.

There is a noticeable genetic difference between Sardinians, Northern Italians and Southern Italians. People from the North seem to be close to the French population, while those from the South overlap with Balkan and other southern European populations.[3][7][8][9] Yet, the genetic distance between Northern and Southern Italians, although pretty large from a single European “nationality” point of view, is only roughly equal to the one between Northern Germans and Southern Germans.[10

[Slavic Italian]

When you start talking 30 percent that is significant and they are not even discussing the Arab influence from the conquests. Yet, the southern part of the boot is significantly J2 which is Near Eastern.

Despite the lengthy Goth and Lombard presence in Italy, the I1 haplogroup associated with the Norsemen is present only among 6-7% of mainland Italians,[26] peaking at 11% in the northeast (20% in Udine[27] and 30% in Stelvio[28]). An average frequency of 12% I1 has been detected in Sicily, 19% in the western part and 8% in the eastern.[29]

In two villages in Lazio and Abruzzo (Cappadocia and Vallepietra), I1 was recorded at levels 35% and 28%.[30] In Sicily, further migrations from the Vandals and Saracens have only slightly affected the ethnic composition of the Sicilian people. However, Greek genetic legacy is estimated at 37% in Sicily.[13] Norman civilization proliferated for several centuries on the island, with a strong impact on the culture of the place.

[Slavic Italian]

They are still making recent discoveries.

A 2016 study Sazzini et al., confirms the results of previous studies by Di Gaetano et al. (2012) and Fiorito et al. (2015) but has much better geographical coverage of samples, with 737 individuals from 20 locations in 15 different regions being tested. The study also for the first time includes a formal admixture test that models the ancestry of Italians by inferring admixture events using all of the Western Eurasian samples. The results are very interesting in light of the ancient DNA evidence that has come out in the last couple years:

In addition to the pattern described in the main text, the SARD sample seemed to have played a major role as source of admixture for most of the examined populations, especially Italian ones, rather than as recipient of migratory processes. In fact, the most significant f3 scores for trios including SARD indicated peninsular Italians as plausible results of admixture between SARD and populations from Iran, Caucasus and Russia.

[Slavic Italian]

Haak et al. (2015) conducted a genome wide study of 94 ancient skeletons from Europe and Russia. The study argues that Bronze Age steppe pastoralists from the Yamna culture spread Indo-European languages in Europe. Autosomic tests indicate that the Yamnaya-people were the result of admixture between two different hunter-gatherer populations: Eastern Hunter-Gatherers from the RUSSIAN Steppe and either Caucasus Hunter-Gatherers or Chalcolithic Iranians (who are very similar). Wolfgang Haak estimated a 27.2% ancestral contribution of the Yamnaya in the DNA of modern Tuscans, a 25% ancestral contribution of the Yamnaya in the DNA of modern Northern Italians from Bergamo.

[Zmey Gorynych]

It only makes sense. Romans conquered so many peoples and they imported some of them to the boot. Then Rome itself was conquered by so many peoples. Fortunate mix I would say as Italians are not a bad looking bunch.

[Slavic Italian]

It only makes sense. Romans conquered so many peoples and they imported some of them to the boot. Then Rome itself was conquered by so many peoples. Fortunate mix I would say as Italians are not a bad looking bunch.

Agreed. It's foolish not to think all these different ethnicities did not mix. It's only natural. Lets not even mention the barbaric Goths and Gauls. You know they mixed with Roman women. By the way, you can see they made new discoveries and added them to that Wiki article when it falsely proclaims that the genetics were not changed. I proved in the same article that in some regions they were changed by almost 30%. There is also apparently at least a quarter Slavic contribution to their admixture in specific regions.

[Slavic Italian]

J2 is not of Italian origin.