Why is there so little steppe ancestry in the middle east

[Borealis]

In Europe it is prominent everywhere ranging from 20-25% at a minimum in parts of southern Europe with the exception of Sardinia to over 50% in Scandinavians and some Russians. But it drops off pretty strongly at the borders of the Middle East. Chechens have significant steppe but Georgians on the other side of the Caucasus have none. Turks also do not have much neither do Levantines. Iranians have a bit(only 15%) but this didnt even come from Europe directly but rather from Central Asia and it's MLBA steppe so it's diluted anyway.

[michal3141]

In Europe it is prominent everywhere ranging from 20-25% at a minimum in parts of southern Europe with the exception of Sardinia to over 50% in Scandinavians and some Russians. But it drops off pretty strongly at the borders of the Middle East. Chechens have significant steppe but Georgians on the other side of the Caucasus have none. Turks also do not have much neither do Levantines. Iranians have a bit(only 15%) but this didnt even come from Europe directly but rather from Central Asia and it's MLBA steppe so it's diluted anyway.

Good question. I think it must be somehow related to huge geographic barriers that limit the flow of people.
To get from the Pontic-Caspian Steppe to the Middle East you have to basically cross Caucasus. This is a bottleneck that limits the flow of people or at least it limited for a very long time till modern times.
Also in Europe steppe admixture becomes smaller and smaller behind mountain ranges such Carpathians, Dinaric Alps and especially Alps.
Why are Germans and Italians so different genetically? I think the major reason is that there are Alps between Germany and Italy.
On the other hand Poles are close to Russians, Belarusians and Ukrainians because there are no big geographic barriers between Poland, Russia, Belarus and Ukraine (no mountain ranges, no jungles, no deserts, no seas etc.)

[Borealis]

Good question. I think it must be somehow related to huge geographic barriers that limit the flow of people.
To get from the Pontic-Caspian Steppe to the Middle East you have to basically cross Caucasus. This is a bottleneck that limits the flow of people or at least it limited for a very long time till modern times.
Also in Europe steppe admixture becomes smaller and smaller behind mountain ranges such Carpathians, Dinaric Alps and especially Alps.
Why are Germans and Italians so different genetically? I think the major reason is that there are Alps between Germany and Italy.
On the other hand Poles are close to Russians, Belarusians and Ukrainians because there are no big geographic barriers between Poland, Russia, Belarus and Ukraine (no mountain ranges, no jungles, no deserts, no seas etc.)

northern and eastern europeans are all derived from the CWC thats why they are similar to each other. Mountains and sea barriers could explain the difference between south and north though yes.

[michal3141]

northern and eastern europeans are all derived from the CWC thats why they are similar to each other. Mountains and sea barriers could explain the difference between south and north though yes.

Yes. Of course. But if you look at the area that was occupied by the Corded Ware people then you immediately see it was geographically the Northern European Plain.

[Tauromachos]

There is some Steppe ancestry in a couple of Oriental groups which speak Indo European languages

For example Kurds have more Steppe ancestry than other West Asian groups

In general i believe there is more of it in Central Asia possibly than in West Asia and South West Asia.

Even Indians(South Asians) have Steppe ancestry

[Borealis]

Yes. Of course. But if you look at the area that was occupied by the Corded Ware people then you immediately see it was geographically the Northern European Plain.

The point is there was a common nucleus from which there was extensive expansion. The Globular Amphora culture only existed in and around Poland, yet all the way from near the Urals to the British Isles, GAC ancestry is strong. Why? Cause CWC started from the Baltic then expanded in many directions.

Of course those people were prevented from going further south...

[Borealis]

There is some Steppe ancestry in a couple of Oriental groups which speak Indo European languages

For example Kurds have more Steppe ancestry than other West Asian groups

In general i believe there is more of it in Central Asia possibly than in West Asia and South West Asia.

Even Indians(South Asians) have Steppe ancestry

Not possibly but definitely.

Pamiri tajiks go up to 45% MLBA steppe, Indians can go up to 40% in rare cases.

[michal3141]

The point is there was a common nucleus from which there was extensive expansion. The Globular Amphora culture only existed in and around Poland, yet all the way from near the Urals to the British Isles, GAC ancestry is strong. Why? Cause CWC started from the Baltic then expanded in many directions.

Of course those people were prevented from going further south...

To me it's mostly about the flow of people and limitations in this flow imposed by the geographic barriers.

[Thambi]

Not possibly but definitely.

Pamiri tajiks go up to 45% MLBA steppe, Indians can go up to 40% in rare cases.

yeah UP jat sample goes to 37.5% steppe

UP_Jatt:Average",
"fit": 2.4132,
"TKM_Gonur1_BA": 41.67,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 37.5,
"Simulated_AASI": 20,
"Han": 0.83

[FinalFlash]

Northern West Asians have anywhere from 10-20% Steppe ancestry on average. It's underestimated on this forum unless of course most of you don't consider that number to be significant.

[Kamal900]

Northern West Asians have anywhere from 10-20% Steppe ancestry on average. It's underestimated on this forum unless of course most of you don't consider that number to be significant.

Well, the steppe ancestry among Palestinian muslims is between 6 to 9% on average, and we're Semites, not Indo-European speakers.

[FinalFlash]

Well, the steppe ancestry among Palestinian muslims is between 6 to 9% on average, and we're Semites, not Indo-European speakers.

That sounds about right. It can hit up to 10-15% among certain individuals in the Levant which isn't negligible. Northern West Asians like Turks, Armenians, Iranians, Kurds, Georgians etc would naturally have more.

[Kamal900]

That sounds about right. It can hit up to 10-15% among certain individuals in the Levant which isn't negligible. Northern West Asians like Turks, Armenians, Iranians, Kurds, Georgians etc would naturally have more.

The shi3a Lebanese tend to have the highest, yeah. I guess you don't need to be an Indo-European speaker to have such ancestry.

[FinalFlash]

The shi3a Lebanese tend to have the highest, yeah. I guess you don't need to be an Indo-European speaker to have such ancestry.

'Semitic' 'Altaic' 'Indo-european' are all simply linguistic terms. There's not racial connotation involved here. Remember, genetics predate language my friend. Btw, fuck Israel ;)

[Kamal900]

Btw, fuck Israel ;)

https://i.imgur.com/kPTt8py.jpg

[FinalFlash]

https://i.imgur.com/kPTt8py.jpg

oy vey you anti-semite :D

[Leto]

oy vey you anti-semite :D
The Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese are more Semitic than the Ashkenazi small hats who appropriated the term single-handedly.

[FinalFlash]

The Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese are more Semitic than the Ashkenazi small hats who appropriated the term single-handedly.

Racially, yes they are more "semitic" as in more eastern. To be honest with you, I don't buy these bullshit Gedmatch kits that supposedly belong to Ashkenazis. These guys are highly mixed imo and their DNA is probably a mess lol

[Kamal900]

The Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese are more Semitic than the Ashkenazi small hats who appropriated the term single-handedly.

Well, um, not really considering that Ashkenazi Jews are 50% Levantines genetically on average, and I think it was some gentile back in the 1800's who invented the term "anti-Semite", not by a Jew.

[Leto]

Well, um, not really considering that Ashkenazi Jews are 50% Levantines genetically on average, and I think it was some gentile back in the 1800's who invented the term "anti-Semite", not by a Jew.
This guy popularized the term
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Marr

[Leto]

Racially, yes they are more "semitic" as in more eastern. To be honest with you, I don't buy these bullshit Gedmatch kits that supposedly belong to Ashkenazis. These guys are highly mixed imo and their DNA is probably a mess lol
Well, I'm not sure what you mean, there are tons of Jews on GEDmatch, including many on this forum. Their DNA results are no secret.

[Kamal900]

Nope, this guy popularized the term and he was a J
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Marr

Hmph, typical.

[FinalFlash]

Well, I'm not sure what you mean, there are tons of Jews on GEDmatch, including many on this forum. Their DNA results are no secret.

Based off their vast phenotype disparities, I feel like we aren't getting the full story. They've mixed in too much with gentiles to be homogenous and it's ridiculous to use them as a reference for DNA tests.

[Leto]

Based off their vast phenotype disparities, I feel like we aren't getting the full story. They've mixed in too much with gentiles to be homogenous and it's ridiculous to use them as a reference for DNA tests.
Well, when they're outside of Israel they're the biggest proponents of multiculturalism but in Israel they claim they're 100% native to the land, even after almost 2,000 years in the diaspora. Funny, isn't it? I personally don't care how native they are to Israel.

[FinalFlash]

Well, when they're outside of Israel they're the biggest proponents of multiculturalism but in Israel they claim they're 100% native to the land, even after almost 2,000 years in the diaspora. Funny, isn't it? I personally don't care how native they are to Israel.

I agree with that. Hypocrites to the max. I don't care much either but I just don't trust their genetic results is all I'm saying.

[Leto]

It can hit up to 10-15% among certain individuals in the Levant which isn't negligible. Northern West Asians like Turks, Armenians, Iranians, Kurds, Georgians etc would naturally have more.
This Armenian is more 'Steppic' than average (he is R1a-Z93 by the way) but it's still not much, to be honest

Kit T421856

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 51.31
2 Baloch 16.42
3 SW-Asian 16.17
4 Mediterranean 8.98
5 NE-Euro 6.25
6 SE-Asian 0.55
7 Papuan 0.32

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 georgia-jew (behar) 4.89
2 azerbaijan-jew (behar) 5.15
3 assyrian (harappa) 5.65
4 armenian (harappa) 6.44
5 armenian (yunusbayev) 6.5
6 uzbekistan-jew (behar) 7
7 armenian (behar) 7.68
8 iranian-jew (behar) 8.5
9 turk (behar) 8.84
10 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 9.03
11 iraq-jew (behar) 9.15
12 lebanese-druze (haber) 9.25
13 iraqi-mandaean (harappa) 9.47
14 turkish (harappa) 9.66
15 azeri (harappa) 10.28
16 lebanese-muslim (haber) 10.39
17 turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) 10.76
18 lebanese-christian (haber) 10.94
19 kurd (yunusbayev) 11.6
20 cypriot (behar) 12.8

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.1% azerbaijan-jew (behar) + 6.9% belorussian (behar) @ 1.41
2 93.8% azerbaijan-jew (behar) + 6.2% lithuanian (behar) @ 1.44
3 92.5% azerbaijan-jew (behar) + 7.5% ukranian (yunusbayev) @ 1.45
4 93% azerbaijan-jew (behar) + 7% russian (behar) @ 1.48
5 91.9% azerbaijan-jew (behar) + 8.1% slovenian (xing) @ 1.57
6 91.8% azerbaijan-jew (behar) + 8.2% hungarian (behar) @ 1.66
7 88.8% azerbaijan-jew (behar) + 11.2% bulgarian (yunusbayev) @ 1.71
8 93% azerbaijan-jew (behar) + 7% mordovian (yunusbayev) @ 1.78
9 94.5% azerbaijan-jew (behar) + 5.5% finnish (1000genomes) @ 1.79
10 89.3% azerbaijan-jew (behar) + 10.7% romanian-a (behar) @ 1.79
11 93% azerbaijan-jew (behar) + 7% n-european (xing) @ 1.94
12 93.1% azerbaijan-jew (behar) + 6.9% utahn-white (1000genomes) @ 2.09
13 93.5% azerbaijan-jew (behar) + 6.5% orcadian (hgdp) @ 2.13
14 93.3% azerbaijan-jew (behar) + 6.7% british (1000genomes) @ 2.15
15 86.5% armenian (behar) + 13.5% bedouin (hgdp) @ 2.3
16 86.7% armenian (behar) + 13.3% qatari (henn2012) @ 2.35
17 84.1% georgia-jew (behar) + 15.9% stalskoe (xing) @ 2.38
18 92.7% azerbaijan-jew (behar) + 7.3% french (hgdp) @ 2.4
19 71.1% georgia-jew (behar) + 28.9% turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) @ 2.4
20 65.3% armenian (behar) + 34.7% syrian (behar) @ 2.45


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 48.65
2 Southwest_Asian 17.04
3 Gedrosia 16.02
4 Atlantic_Med 11.5
5 North_European 6.17
6 Southeast_Asian 0.61

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 5.81
2 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 6.6
3 Assyrian (Dodecad) 6.65
4 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 6.78
5 Armenian (Dodecad) 7.72
6 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 8.1
7 Turks (Behar) 8.58
8 Turkish (Dodecad) 9.2
9 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 9.37
10 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 9.69
11 Druze (HGDP) 10.48
12 Lebanese (Behar) 11.61
13 Armenians (Behar) 12.18
14 Cypriots (Behar) 12.86
15 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 13.73
16 Kurd (Dodecad) 15.15
17 Syrians (Behar) 15.21
18 Iranian (Dodecad) 16.07
19 Jordanians (Behar) 17.72
20 Iranians (Behar) 18.83

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 84.6% Assyrian (Dodecad) + 15.4% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 0.74
2 85.3% Assyrian (Dodecad) + 14.7% Romanians (Behar) @ 0.78
3 87.9% Georgia_Jews (Behar) + 12.1% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 0.86
4 85% Assyrian (Dodecad) + 15% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 0.88
5 88.3% Georgia_Jews (Behar) + 11.7% North_Italian (HGDP) @ 0.99
6 89% Assyrian (Dodecad) + 11% Hungarians (Behar) @ 1.01
7 85.3% Georgia_Jews (Behar) + 14.7% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.03
8 86.3% Georgia_Jews (Behar) + 13.7% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 1.11
9 90.8% Georgia_Jews (Behar) + 9.2% Cataluna (1000Genomes) @ 1.12
10 90.9% Georgia_Jews (Behar) + 9.1% French (HGDP) @ 1.14
11 85.8% Georgia_Jews (Behar) + 14.2% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 1.15
12 90.8% Georgia_Jews (Behar) + 9.2% Spaniards (Behar) @ 1.23
13 90.1% Georgia_Jews (Behar) + 9.9% Baleares (1000Genomes) @ 1.24
14 91.1% Georgia_Jews (Behar) + 8.9% Cantabria (1000Genomes) @ 1.25
15 91.1% Georgia_Jews (Behar) + 8.9% Valencia (1000Genomes) @ 1.28
16 90.9% Assyrian (Dodecad) + 9.1% Polish (Dodecad) @ 1.32
17 84.6% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) + 15.4% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 1.34
18 91.2% Georgia_Jews (Behar) + 8.8% Aragon (1000Genomes) @ 1.36
19 84.9% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) + 15.1% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 1.38
20 85.3% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) + 14.7% Romanians (Behar) @ 1.4

[FinalFlash]

This Armenian is more 'Steppic' than average (he is R1a-Z93 by the way) but it's still not much, to be honest

Kit T421856

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 51.31
2 Baloch 16.42
3 SW-Asian 16.17
4 Mediterranean 8.98
5 NE-Euro 6.25
6 SE-Asian 0.55
7 Papuan 0.32

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 georgia-jew (behar) 4.89
2 azerbaijan-jew (behar) 5.15
3 assyrian (harappa) 5.65
4 armenian (harappa) 6.44
5 armenian (yunusbayev) 6.5
6 uzbekistan-jew (behar) 7
7 armenian (behar) 7.68
8 iranian-jew (behar) 8.5
9 turk (behar) 8.84
10 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 9.03
11 iraq-jew (behar) 9.15
12 lebanese-druze (haber) 9.25
13 iraqi-mandaean (harappa) 9.47
14 turkish (harappa) 9.66
15 azeri (harappa) 10.28
16 lebanese-muslim (haber) 10.39
17 turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) 10.76
18 lebanese-christian (haber) 10.94
19 kurd (yunusbayev) 11.6
20 cypriot (behar) 12.8

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.1% azerbaijan-jew (behar) + 6.9% belorussian (behar) @ 1.41
2 93.8% azerbaijan-jew (behar) + 6.2% lithuanian (behar) @ 1.44
3 92.5% azerbaijan-jew (behar) + 7.5% ukranian (yunusbayev) @ 1.45
4 93% azerbaijan-jew (behar) + 7% russian (behar) @ 1.48
5 91.9% azerbaijan-jew (behar) + 8.1% slovenian (xing) @ 1.57
6 91.8% azerbaijan-jew (behar) + 8.2% hungarian (behar) @ 1.66
7 88.8% azerbaijan-jew (behar) + 11.2% bulgarian (yunusbayev) @ 1.71
8 93% azerbaijan-jew (behar) + 7% mordovian (yunusbayev) @ 1.78
9 94.5% azerbaijan-jew (behar) + 5.5% finnish (1000genomes) @ 1.79
10 89.3% azerbaijan-jew (behar) + 10.7% romanian-a (behar) @ 1.79
11 93% azerbaijan-jew (behar) + 7% n-european (xing) @ 1.94
12 93.1% azerbaijan-jew (behar) + 6.9% utahn-white (1000genomes) @ 2.09
13 93.5% azerbaijan-jew (behar) + 6.5% orcadian (hgdp) @ 2.13
14 93.3% azerbaijan-jew (behar) + 6.7% british (1000genomes) @ 2.15
15 86.5% armenian (behar) + 13.5% bedouin (hgdp) @ 2.3
16 86.7% armenian (behar) + 13.3% qatari (henn2012) @ 2.35
17 84.1% georgia-jew (behar) + 15.9% stalskoe (xing) @ 2.38
18 92.7% azerbaijan-jew (behar) + 7.3% french (hgdp) @ 2.4
19 71.1% georgia-jew (behar) + 28.9% turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) @ 2.4
20 65.3% armenian (behar) + 34.7% syrian (behar) @ 2.45


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 48.65
2 Southwest_Asian 17.04
3 Gedrosia 16.02
4 Atlantic_Med 11.5
5 North_European 6.17
6 Southeast_Asian 0.61

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 5.81
2 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 6.6
3 Assyrian (Dodecad) 6.65
4 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 6.78
5 Armenian (Dodecad) 7.72
6 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 8.1
7 Turks (Behar) 8.58
8 Turkish (Dodecad) 9.2
9 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 9.37
10 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 9.69
11 Druze (HGDP) 10.48
12 Lebanese (Behar) 11.61
13 Armenians (Behar) 12.18
14 Cypriots (Behar) 12.86
15 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 13.73
16 Kurd (Dodecad) 15.15
17 Syrians (Behar) 15.21
18 Iranian (Dodecad) 16.07
19 Jordanians (Behar) 17.72
20 Iranians (Behar) 18.83

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 84.6% Assyrian (Dodecad) + 15.4% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 0.74
2 85.3% Assyrian (Dodecad) + 14.7% Romanians (Behar) @ 0.78
3 87.9% Georgia_Jews (Behar) + 12.1% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 0.86
4 85% Assyrian (Dodecad) + 15% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 0.88
5 88.3% Georgia_Jews (Behar) + 11.7% North_Italian (HGDP) @ 0.99
6 89% Assyrian (Dodecad) + 11% Hungarians (Behar) @ 1.01
7 85.3% Georgia_Jews (Behar) + 14.7% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.03
8 86.3% Georgia_Jews (Behar) + 13.7% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 1.11
9 90.8% Georgia_Jews (Behar) + 9.2% Cataluna (1000Genomes) @ 1.12
10 90.9% Georgia_Jews (Behar) + 9.1% French (HGDP) @ 1.14
11 85.8% Georgia_Jews (Behar) + 14.2% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 1.15
12 90.8% Georgia_Jews (Behar) + 9.2% Spaniards (Behar) @ 1.23
13 90.1% Georgia_Jews (Behar) + 9.9% Baleares (1000Genomes) @ 1.24
14 91.1% Georgia_Jews (Behar) + 8.9% Cantabria (1000Genomes) @ 1.25
15 91.1% Georgia_Jews (Behar) + 8.9% Valencia (1000Genomes) @ 1.28
16 90.9% Assyrian (Dodecad) + 9.1% Polish (Dodecad) @ 1.32
17 84.6% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) + 15.4% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 1.34
18 91.2% Georgia_Jews (Behar) + 8.8% Aragon (1000Genomes) @ 1.36
19 84.9% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) + 15.1% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 1.38
20 85.3% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) + 14.7% Romanians (Behar) @ 1.4

His Eurogenes K15

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 35.89
2 West_Asian 34.75
3 West_Med 7.81
4 Red_Sea 7.54
5 Atlantic 5.23
6 Eastern_Euro 2.68
7 Baltic 2.33
8 North_Sea 1.73
9 South_Asian 1.57

Total 11.97%. Still atypical in terms of his oracle. At least for Eastern Armenians certainly.

[Kamal900]

His Eurogenes K15

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 35.89
2 West_Asian 34.75
3 West_Med 7.81
4 Red_Sea 7.54
5 Atlantic 5.23
6 Eastern_Euro 2.68
7 Baltic 2.33
8 North_Sea 1.73
9 South_Asian 1.57

Total 11.97%. Still atypical in terms of his oracle. At least for Eastern Armenians certainly.

What are the genetic components that make up the steppe ancestry in Eurogenes K15?

[FinalFlash]

What are the genetic components that make up the steppe ancestry in Eurogenes K15?

According to my knowledge, it's Atlantic, East Euro, Baltic and North Sea components.

[Kamal900]

According to my knowledge, it's Atlantic, East Euro, Baltic and North Sea components.

My results:

Population
North_Sea 3.33 Pct
Atlantic 6.48 Pct
Baltic -
Eastern_Euro -
West_Med 8.51 Pct
West_Asian 20.64 Pct
East_Med 39.82 Pct
Red_Sea 12.14 Pct
South_Asian 3.03 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.86 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.53 Pct
Northeast_African 4.31 Pct
Sub-Saharan 0.35 Pc

My cousin's results:

Population
North_Sea 7.27 Pct
Atlantic 4.41 Pct
Baltic -
Eastern_Euro 0.99 Pct
West_Med 9.85 Pct
West_Asian 18.18 Pct
East_Med 35.50 Pct
Red_Sea 13.92 Pct
South_Asian 2.57 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.24 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 5.10 Pct
Sub-Saharan 1.98 Pct

My steppe ancestry is 9.81% while my cousin is 12.67%
My cousin is a full Palestinian btw.

[Samnium]

Racially, yes they are more "semitic" as in more eastern. To be honest with you, I don't buy these bullshit Gedmatch kits that supposedly belong to Ashkenazis. These guys are highly mixed imo and their DNA is probably a mess lol

Also what I said in another post, we see these gedmatch results but we really don't know if all the population is like that.

[FinalFlash]

Also what I said in another post, we see these gedmatch results but we really don't know if all the population is like that.

Yes. We don't even know if these are cherry picked or not in reality.

[FinalFlash]

My results:

Population
North_Sea 3.33 Pct
Atlantic 6.48 Pct
Baltic -
Eastern_Euro -
West_Med 8.51 Pct
West_Asian 20.64 Pct
East_Med 39.82 Pct
Red_Sea 12.14 Pct
South_Asian 3.03 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.86 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.53 Pct
Northeast_African 4.31 Pct
Sub-Saharan 0.35 Pc

My cousin's results:

Population
North_Sea 7.27 Pct
Atlantic 4.41 Pct
Baltic -
Eastern_Euro 0.99 Pct
West_Med 9.85 Pct
West_Asian 18.18 Pct
East_Med 35.50 Pct
Red_Sea 13.92 Pct
South_Asian 2.57 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.24 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 5.10 Pct
Sub-Saharan 1.98 Pct

My steppe ancestry is 9.81% while my cousin is 12.67%
My cousin is a full Palestinian btw.

Both of you seem to have higher than average Steppe scores for Palestinians. Your cousin especially. Do you have some Palestinian kits that you'd like to share here? I want to compile as many kits as possible for this custom spreadsheet that I am working on.

[Kamal900]

Both of you seem to have higher than average Steppe scores for Palestinians. Your cousin especially. Do you have some Palestinian kits that you'd like to share here? I want to compile as many kits as possible for this custom spreadsheet that I am working on.

Sorry but I don't have any.

[Leto]

My results:

Population
North_Sea 3.33 Pct
Atlantic 6.48 Pct
Baltic -
Eastern_Euro -
West_Med 8.51 Pct
West_Asian 20.64 Pct
East_Med 39.82 Pct
Red_Sea 12.14 Pct
South_Asian 3.03 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.86 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.53 Pct
Northeast_African 4.31 Pct
Sub-Saharan 0.35 Pc

My cousin's results:

Population
North_Sea 7.27 Pct
Atlantic 4.41 Pct
Baltic -
Eastern_Euro 0.99 Pct
West_Med 9.85 Pct
West_Asian 18.18 Pct
East_Med 35.50 Pct
Red_Sea 13.92 Pct
South_Asian 2.57 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.24 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 5.10 Pct
Sub-Saharan 1.98 Pct

My steppe ancestry is 9.81% while my cousin is 12.67%
My cousin is a full Palestinian btw.
Post Eurogenes K13 and HarappaWorld for comparison.

[Samnium]

Yes. We don't even know if these are cherry picked or not in reality.

That's why even studies by renowned geneticists as Lazaridis I take these very cautiously. There is always a some sort of "bias" because you can't test all the people (or for the moment there is few people that can give their DNA test for studies). In some studies the amount of people of a region is no more than "n=30", it's reducing a large region to those 30 individuals.

They can be pure "natives", we don't know their background after /great-grandparent generation and neither if they are a good average for all the inhabitants of this region.

It's even more with true in european regions with complex background like S.Europe.

[Leto]

That's why even studies by renowned geneticists as Lazaridis I take these very cautiously. There is always a some sort of "bias" because you can't test all the people (or for the moment there is few people that can give their DNA test for studies). In some studies the amount of people of a region is no more than "n=30", it's reducing a large region to those 30 individuals.

They can be pure "natives", we don't know their background after /great-grandparent generation and neither if they are a good average for all the inhabitants of this region.

It's even more with true in european regions with complex background : like S.Europe.
Well, a lot of individuals take the tests and share their results, so I don't see the problem. You can do it too. For example I have seen well over 200 individual results from my region (Russia, Eastern Europe) including myself and my parents, so I do have a general idea of our genetic profile.

[Kamal900]

Post Eurogenes K13 and HarappaWorld for comparison.

Harappaworld:

My results
Population
S-Indian 1.17 Pct
Baloch 12.82 Pct
Caucasian 39.38 Pct
NE-Euro 2.75 Pct
SE-Asian -
Siberian -
NE-Asian 1.23 Pct
Papuan 0.40 Pct
American 0.12 Pct
Beringian -
Mediterranean 14.62 Pct
SW-Asian 23.12 Pct
San -
E-African 3.04 Pct
Pygmy 0.82 Pct
W-African 0.50 Pct

My cousin's results
Population
S-Indian 0.61 Pct
Baloch 12.85 Pct
Caucasian 34.73 Pct
NE-Euro 4.77 Pct
SE-Asian -
Siberian -
NE-Asian -
Papuan -
American 0.91 Pct
Beringian 0.22 Pct
Mediterranean 15.41 Pct
SW-Asian 23.88 Pct
San 0.44 Pct
E-African 5.60 Pct
Pygmy -
W-African 0.54 Pct

Eurogenes K13:

My results
Population
North_Atlantic 6.57 Pct
Baltic -
West_Med 11.90 Pct
West_Asian 22.05 Pct
East_Med 38.09 Pct
Red_Sea 12.50 Pct
South_Asian 2.69 Pct
East_Asian 1.19 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.56 Pct
Northeast_African 3.87 Pct
Sub-Saharan 0.56 Pct

My cousin's results
Population
North_Atlantic 8.22 Pct
Baltic -
West_Med 12.99 Pct
West_Asian 19.81 Pct
East_Med 35.10 Pct
Red_Sea 14.02 Pct
South_Asian 2.64 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.52 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 4.70 Pct
Sub-Saharan 2.02 Pct

So..what do you think?

[Leto]

So..what do you think?
You guys do seem to have some minor Steppe ancestry, especially your cousin. I wonder why your East Med is that low. Some Lebanese are like 48% EM and you're just 38%.

[Samnium]

Well, a lot of individuals take the tests and share their results, so I don't see the problem. You can do it too. For example I have seen well over 200 individual results from my region (Russia, Eastern Europe) including myself and my parents, so I do have a general idea of our genetic profile.

I use also gedmatch kits but they are useless in regions that have a lot of isolates, sharp genetic divisions, outliers results like in Italy. I don't think that there is a country that can match the genetic diversity of Italy, so "averaging" the gedmatch kits would not give a lot of informations on the general genetic profile. You can only say that there is people that are like that, not more.

And even if the country is said to be homogenous, it's difficult to say that 200 results would be sufficient to make a good aproximation of the general genetic profile. (Even more when there are differences as I said)

[Leto]

I use also gedmatch kits but they are useless in regions that have a lot of isolates, sharp genetic divisions, outliers results like in Italy. I don't think that there is a country that can match the genetic diversity of Italy, so "averaging" the gedmatch kits would not give a lot of informations on the general genetic profile. You can only say that there is people that are like that, not more.

And even if the country is said to be homogenous, it's difficult to say that 200 results would be sufficient to make a good aproximation of the general genetic profile. (Even more when there are differences as I said)

Well, of course those calculators and spreadsheets are far from comperhensive and reliable. Some are better than the others but as a whole they're quite noisy and outdated by now. They're not to be taken 100% seriously.
We'll see how population genetics will develop in the next few years.

[Kamal900]

You guys do seem to have some minor Steppe ancestry, especially your cousin. I wonder why your East Med is that low. Some Lebanese are like 48% EM and you're just 38%.

I guess maybe because I have more west asian admixture?

[Leto]

I guess maybe because I have more west asian admixture?
Are you not from Gaza? Gazans look part black, many people notice.

[Kamal900]

Are you not from Gaza? Gazans look part black, many people notice.

Lol, no. I'm from the Galilee.

[Kyp]

I guess maybe because I have more west asian admixture?

Yes. Same goes for Lebanese Shia populations.

[Samnium]

Are you not from Gaza? Gazans look part black, many people notice.

Palestinians have high level of SSA admixture yes.

[Leto]

Palestinians have high level of SSA admixture yes.
The Christian ones definitely don't.

[Adamastor]

Are you not from Gaza? Gazans look part black, many people notice.

They are 8% SSA on average. It's funny because it's near the average of many White Brazilians, White Cubans and White Puerto Ricans who look nothing but white (some of these people would never be guessed to be even 1% SSA). At the same time, Gazans look considerably distinct of West Bank Palestinians and Lebanese people, many people even think they look more like Egyptians.

[Leto]

They are 8% SSA on average. It's funny because it's near the average of many White Brazilians, White Cubans and White Puerto Ricans who look nothing but white (some of these people would never be guessed to be even 1% SSA). At the same time, Gazans look considerably distinct of West Bank Palestinians and Lebanese people, many people even think they look more like Egyptians.
I think the Arabian component itself is dark and non-white looking. The whitish Latinos still have far more European admixture than the Gazans who have almost none.

[Samnium]

I think the Arabian component itself is dark and non-white looking. The whitish Latinos still have far more European admixture than the Gazans who have almost none.

Also the Arabian component contains some African. (Ancient but still)

For Palestinians I think that Gazans have the more SSA admxiture but the other palestinians have surely a portion of this DNA (varying around 4/5%).

[Kyp]

They are 8% SSA on average. It's funny because it's near the average of many White Brazilians, White Cubans and White Puerto Ricans who look nothing but white (some of these people would never be guessed to be even 1% SSA). At the same time, Gazans look considerably distinct of West Bank Palestinians and Lebanese people, many people even think they look more like Egyptians.

Don't Gaza palestinians have more bedouin/arab related ancestry compared to other Palis/Lebanese, who are mostly native (compared to Gaza)?

[Adamastor]

I think the Arabian component itself is dark and non-white looking. The whitish Latinos still have far more European admixture than the Gazans who have almost none.


Don't Gaza palestinians have more bedouin/arab related ancestry compared to other Palis/Lebanese, who are mostly native (compared to Gaza)?

Yeah, probably they are darker because they have more ''true'' Arabian ancestry when compared with other Levantines.

[Kamal900]

Don't Gaza palestinians have more bedouin/arab related ancestry compared to other Palis/Lebanese, who are mostly native (compared to Gaza)?

Well, um, sort of. Many of the Gazans are Palestinian refugees from other regions of Palestine while those who have heavy Bedouin blood tend to have around 50% Bedouin and 50% Levantine.

[Pine]

The Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese are more Semitic than the Ashkenazi small hats who appropriated the term single-handedly.

khellow frent,

vee no aproviate terim. it creeate two meen anti-dzhu. howevir, pliz, stop cawling urself slav. poleshuks ant rusyns real slavs. you finno-mongoal

[Pine]

'Semitic' 'Altaic' 'Indo-european' are all simply linguistic terms. There's not racial connotation involved here. Remember, genetics predate language my friend. Btw, fuck Israel ;)

I'm happy that we can bring two losers together on this special day. You may now kiss the groom.

[Adamastor]

Wth is this ''Pine'' guy? Some type of butthurt Jew?

[Pine]

Racially, yes they are more "semitic" as in more eastern. To be honest with you, I don't buy these bullshit Gedmatch kits that supposedly belong to Ashkenazis. These guys are highly mixed imo and their DNA is probably a mess lol

I can confirm. I'm actually a slav.

[Pine]

Wth is this ''Pine'' guy? Some type of butthurt Jew?

When your avi gives away your sexual orientation, is that really the best insult to use?

[Adamastor]

When your avi gives away your sexual orientation, is that really the best insult to use?

I thought Jews were intelligent enough to understand the meaning of parody. Maybe I was wrong, so much for ''muhh IQ''.

[Leto]

I thought Jews were intelligent enough to understand the meaning of parody. Maybe I was wrong, so much for ''muhh IQ''.
A certain user whose nickname starts with a B (I don't talk to him anymore personally) once said:

Einstein just stealed everything from white scientists, typical jew
:D

[FinalFlash]

I'm happy that we can bring two losers together on this special day. You may now kiss the groom.

Ha ha ha you're extremely hilarious and original.

[ModernMaskil]

Ha ha ha you're extremely hilarious and original.


oy vey you anti-semite :D

Unlike your brilliant jokes, which have been done 100 times per antisemite.

[Dimitri159]

Can anyone provide samples, studies, maps or genetic charts with percentages that show exactly how much Steppe ancestry various Middle-Eastern ethnic groups carry? This is an interesting topic that I’ve been curious about for a long time now.