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Kaspias
05-14-2019, 11:43 AM
Eurogenes K13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 28.39
2 West_Med 16.64
3 North_Atlantic 16.44
4 West_Asian 15.02
5 Baltic 10.99
6 Red_Sea 4.63
7 Siberian 2.14
8 Northeast_African 2.04
9 Amerindian 1.2
10 East_Asian 1.16
11 Sub-Saharan 0.68
12 Oceanian 0.66

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Central_Greek 5.64
2 East_Sicilian 5.83
3 Italian_Abruzzo 7.22
4 Ashkenazi 7.41
5 Greek_Thessaly 8.18
6 South_Italian 8.33
7 West_Sicilian 8.75
8 Sephardic_Jewish 12.36
9 Italian_Jewish 12.95
10 Algerian_Jewish 13.2
11 Tuscan 13.4
12 Bulgarian 15.11
13 Tunisian_Jewish 15.46
14 Libyan_Jewish 15.94
15 Romanian 17.11
16 Cyprian 17.55
17 Turkish 18.04
18 North_Italian 19.07
19 Lebanese_Muslim 19.3
20 Syrian 20.16

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.2% Cyprian + 28.8% North_Swedish @ 3.48
2 86.3% East_Sicilian + 13.7% Nogay @ 3.64
3 81.7% Ashkenazi + 18.3% Nogay @ 3.7
4 88.8% East_Sicilian + 11.2% Afghan_Turkmen @ 3.75
5 84.3% Ashkenazi + 15.7% Tabassaran @ 3.77
6 70.9% Cyprian + 29.1% Swedish @ 3.81
7 83.8% Ashkenazi + 16.2% Chechen @ 3.82
8 88.7% East_Sicilian + 11.3% Tatar @ 3.83
9 85.5% South_Italian + 14.5% Chuvash @ 3.84
10 83.1% Ashkenazi + 16.9% Kabardin @ 3.85
11 90.9% East_Sicilian + 9.1% Chuvash @ 3.85
12 91.6% East_Sicilian + 8.4% Mari @ 3.92
13 89.9% East_Sicilian + 10.1% Uzbeki @ 3.96
14 82.5% South_Italian + 17.5% Tatar @ 3.97
15 92.6% East_Sicilian + 7.4% Shors @ 3.99
16 83.3% Ashkenazi + 16.7% Balkar @ 4.03
17 84.4% Ashkenazi + 15.6% Lezgin @ 4.08
18 90.8% East_Sicilian + 9.2% Uygur @ 4.08
19 90.4% East_Sicilian + 9.6% Aghan_Hazara @ 4.09
20 90.1% Central_Greek + 9.9% Afghan_Turkmen @ 4.1



Eurogenes K15

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 26.28
2 West_Asian 15.36
3 West_Med 13.25
4 North_Sea 13.24
5 Atlantic 8.79
6 Baltic 7.58
7 Red_Sea 4.75
8 Eastern_Euro 3.36
9 Northeast_African 2.32
10 Siberian 2.02
11 Amerindian 1.08
12 Southeast_Asian 0.86
13 Sub-Saharan 0.56
14 Oceanian 0.56

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Ashkenazi 5.9
2 Central_Greek 6.93
3 East_Sicilian 7.2
4 Greek_Thessaly 8.26
5 Italian_Abruzzo 8.77
6 South_Italian 9.19
7 Greek 10.45
8 West_Sicilian 11.07
9 Italian_Jewish 11.74
10 Sephardic_Jewish 12.98
11 Tuscan 13.6
12 Algerian_Jewish 13.78
13 Bulgarian 14.81
14 Libyan_Jewish 15.47
15 Tunisian_Jewish 15.78
16 Romanian 16.22
17 Cyprian 16.98
18 Turkish 16.99
19 Lebanese_Muslim 18.33
20 Syrian 18.84

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.5% Greek_Thessaly + 27.5% Lebanese_Muslim @ 4.81
2 69.3% Cyprian + 30.7% Swedish @ 4.83
3 75.8% Greek_Thessaly + 24.2% Jordanian @ 4.89
4 78.3% Greek_Thessaly + 21.7% Kurdish_Jewish @ 4.89
5 76.7% Greek_Thessaly + 23.3% Assyrian @ 4.9
6 69.2% Cyprian + 30.8% North_Swedish @ 4.9
7 73.4% Greek_Thessaly + 26.6% Syrian @ 4.96
8 78.4% Greek_Thessaly + 21.6% Iranian_Jewish @ 5.05
9 69.5% Cyprian + 30.5% Norwegian @ 5.08
10 78.2% Greek_Thessaly + 21.8% Georgian_Jewish @ 5.11
11 90.6% Ashkenazi + 9.4% Kumyk @ 5.2
12 92% Ashkenazi + 8% Tabassaran @ 5.2
13 91.2% Ashkenazi + 8.8% Nogay @ 5.22
14 78.6% Greek_Thessaly + 21.4% Lebanese_Druze @ 5.23
15 92.8% Ashkenazi + 7.2% North_Ossetian @ 5.23
16 71.7% Greek_Thessaly + 28.3% Turkish @ 5.25
17 92.4% Ashkenazi + 7.6% Balkar @ 5.27
18 63.9% Cyprian + 36.1% West_German @ 5.27
19 92.8% Ashkenazi + 7.2% Ossetian @ 5.27
20 70.5% Cyprian + 29.5% West_Norwegian @ 5.27


MDLP K23b

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 34.48
2 European_Early_Farmers 20.32
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 13.54
4 Near_East 10.24
5 South_Central_Asian 5.8
6 North_African 4.9
7 Arctic 2.66
8 Ancestral_Altaic 1.95
9 South_Indian 1.34
10 Tungus-Altaic 1.33
11 Austronesian 0.87
12 African_Pygmy 0.71
13 Archaic_African 0.69
14 South_East_Asian 0.55
15 East_African 0.33
16 Subsaharian 0.19
17 Archaic_Human 0.07
18 Khoisan 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) 5.56
2 Sicilian_West ( ) 5.59
3 Bulgarian ( ) 6.8
4 Macedonian ( ) 7.14
5 Sicilian_Agrigento ( ) 7.4
6 Montenegrian ( ) 7.45
7 Greek_Northwest ( ) 7.65
8 Maltese ( ) 7.66
9 Sicilian_Trapani ( ) 7.71
10 Sicilian_Siracusa ( ) 7.96
11 Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) 7.98
12 Sephardic_Jew ( ) 8.37
13 French_Jew ( ) 8.63
14 Turk_Jew ( ) 8.63
15 Serb_Serbia ( ) 9.1
16 Ashkenazi ( ) 9.14
17 Greek_Thessaloniki ( ) 9.22
18 Greek_Thessaly ( ) 9.27
19 Italian_Jew ( ) 9.28
20 Serb_BH ( ) 9.4

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 90% Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) + 10% Aleut ( ) @ 2.75
2 91.9% Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) + 8.1% Tlingit ( ) @ 2.79
3 90.9% Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) + 9.1% Uygur-Han ( ) @ 2.89
4 87.8% Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) + 12.2% Turkmen_Uzbekistan ( ) @ 2.97
5 91.9% Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) + 8.1% Hazara ( ) @ 2.99
6 91.7% Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) + 8.3% Uygur ( ) @ 3
7 85% Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) + 15% Tatar-Lithuanian ( ) @ 3
8 90% Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) + 10% Uzbek ( ) @ 3.01
9 90.3% Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) + 9.7% Tajik_Tajikistan ( ) @ 3.03
10 87.4% Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) + 12.6% Tatar_Lithuania ( ) @ 3.06
11 56.1% Cypriot ( ) + 43.9% Dane ( ) @ 3.08
12 57.6% Cypriot ( ) + 42.4% Swede ( ) @ 3.08
13 93.8% Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) + 6.2% West_Greenland ( ) @ 3.09
14 90.6% Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) + 9.4% Uzbek_Afghan ( ) @ 3.1
15 89.9% Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) + 10.1% Tajik_Afghan ( ) @ 3.1
16 86% Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) + 14% Tatar-Mishar ( ) @ 3.13
17 86% Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) + 14% Tatar-Kazan ( ) @ 3.15
18 82.2% Sicilian_Siracusa ( ) + 17.8% Turkmen_Uzbekistan ( ) @ 3.15
19 59% Cypriot ( ) + 41% Norwegian_East ( ) @ 3.16
20 53.1% Cypriot ( ) + 46.9% North_German ( ) @ 3.17



MDLP K16

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 35.7
2 Neolithic 23.14
3 Steppe 15.06
4 NorthEastEuropean 9.45
5 NearEast 6.67
6 NorthAfrican 2.44
7 Indian 2.24
8 EastAfrican 1.32
9 SouthEastAsian 1.09
10 Arctic 0.8
11 Siberian 0.61
12 Amerindian 0.57
13 Subsaharian 0.49
14 Ancestor 0.23
15 Australian 0.2

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Italian (Abruzzo) 4.4
2 Jew (Ashkenazi) 4.76
3 Greek (Macedonia) 5.02
4 Italian (SouthItaly) 5.03
5 Jew (Ashkenazim) 5.37
6 Greek (Peloponnes) 5.43
7 Sicilian (Sicily) 5.68
8 Greek (Greece) 5.84
9 Jew (Ashkenazi) 6.12
10 Greek (Athens) 6.73
11 Maltese (Malta) 7.24
12 Albanian (Albania) 7.41
13 Greek (Thessaloniki) 7.53
14 Jew (Bulgaria) 7.56
15 Greek (Greece) 8.15
16 Gagauz (Gagauzia) 8.27
17 Jew (Sephardim) 8.71
18 Jew (Italian) 8.74
19 Kosovar (Kosovo) 9.09
20 Jew (Turkey) 9.12

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 80.9% Italian (Abruzzo) + 19.1% Kumyk (Stalskoe) @ 1.86
2 84.1% Italian (Abruzzo) + 15.9% Lak (Dagestan) @ 2.03
3 83.9% Italian (Abruzzo) + 16.1% Dargin (Urkarah) @ 2.07
4 84.3% Italian (Abruzzo) + 15.7% Ava (Dagestan_Khunzakh) @ 2.09
5 83.8% Italian (Abruzzo) + 16.2% Avar (Dagestan) @ 2.16
6 84.7% Italian (Abruzzo) + 15.3% Lezgin (Dagestan) @ 2.2
7 84.6% Italian (Abruzzo) + 15.4% Tabasaran (Dagestan) @ 2.21
8 54.3% Provencal (Provence) + 45.7% Armenian (Lebanon) @ 2.29
9 84.6% Italian (Abruzzo) + 15.4% Azerbaijani_Dagestan (Azerbaijan_Dagestan) @ 2.33
10 82.8% Italian (Abruzzo) + 17.2% Kabardin (Kabardino-Balkaria) @ 2.37
11 56.6% Provencal (Provence) + 43.4% Assyrian (Armenia) @ 2.37
12 83.6% Italian (Abruzzo) + 16.4% Azerbaijani_Khachmaz (Azerbaijan_Khachmaz) @ 2.43
13 86.8% Italian (Abruzzo) + 13.2% Yaghnobi (Zarafshan ) @ 2.47
14 86.5% Italian (Abruzzo) + 13.5% Turkmens (Turkmenistan) @ 2.47
15 83.1% Italian (Abruzzo) + 16.9% Circassian (Circassia) @ 2.48
16 58.7% Portuguese (Portugal) + 41.3% Armenian (Armenia) @ 2.53
17 50.8% Spanish (Castilla_la_Mancha) + 49.2% Jew (Georgia) @ 2.57
18 50.9% Spanish (Spain) + 49.1% Assyrian (Armenia) @ 2.57
19 88.3% Italian (Abruzzo) + 11.7% Tajik (Tajikistan) @ 2.58
20 89.6% Italian (Abruzzo) + 10.4% Tajiks (Afghanistan) @ 2.59



Dodecad K12b

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 31.05
2 Atlantic_Med 24.2
3 North_European 17.3
4 Southwest_Asian 11.49
5 Gedrosia 7.09
6 East_Asian 3.23
7 East_African 1.98
8 Northwest_African 1.78
9 Siberian 1.26
10 Sub_Saharan 0.62

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek (Dodecad) 9.15
2 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 9.79
3 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 10.02
4 Sicilian (Dodecad) 10.15
5 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 10.31
6 O_Italian (Dodecad) 11.31
7 C_Italian (Dodecad) 11.36
8 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 14.2
9 Tuscan (HGDP) 14.25
10 TSI30 (Metspalu) 15.2
11 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 15.88
12 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 17.61
13 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 18.25
14 Romanians (Behar) 19.02
15 Turkish (Dodecad) 19.68
16 N_Italian (Dodecad) 19.74
17 Cypriots (Behar) 21.6
18 North_Italian (HGDP) 21.61
19 Turks (Behar) 21.83
20 Lebanese (Behar) 23.08

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 84.6% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 15.4% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 4.88
2 85.6% Greek (Dodecad) + 14.4% Hazara (HGDP) @ 4.92
3 68.9% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 31.1% Lebanese (Behar) @ 4.95
4 60.7% Druze (HGDP) + 39.3% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 5.09
5 72.1% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 27.9% Jordanians (Behar) @ 5.12
6 59.5% Druze (HGDP) + 40.5% Kent (1000Genomes) @ 5.13
7 59.9% Druze (HGDP) + 40.1% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 5.17
8 59.9% Druze (HGDP) + 40.1% English (Dodecad) @ 5.18
9 55.6% Druze (HGDP) + 44.4% French (Dodecad) @ 5.25
10 71.2% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 28.8% Syrians (Behar) @ 5.28
11 60.3% Druze (HGDP) + 39.7% Cornwall (1000Genomes) @ 5.29
12 85.7% Greek (Dodecad) + 14.3% Uygur (HGDP) @ 5.3
13 57.9% Druze (HGDP) + 42.1% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 5.32
14 55.6% Druze (HGDP) + 44.4% French (HGDP) @ 5.32
15 59.1% Druze (HGDP) + 40.9% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 5.33
16 60.6% Druze (HGDP) + 39.4% British (Dodecad) @ 5.34
17 83.8% Greek (Dodecad) + 16.2% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 5.4
18 78.8% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 21.2% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 5.42
19 73.7% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 26.3% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 5.46
20 84.4% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 15.6% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 5.47



PuntDNAL K15

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Mediterranean 34.28
2 NE_European 24.07
3 Caucasian 22.27
4 SW_Asian 8.16
5 Horn_Of_Africa 4.68
6 E_Asian 2.18
7 Beringian 2.03
8 Wht_Nile_River 0.71
9 Oceanian 0.58
10 Omo_River 0.48
11 Amerindian 0.29
12 Siberian 0.14
13 S_African 0.13

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Ashkenazy_Jew 7.15
2 Greek_Central 7.44
3 Greek_Thessaly 8.48
4 Tuscan 8.72
5 Sicilian 8.82
6 Albanian 9.02
7 Sephardic_Jew 10.2
8 Italian 14.47
9 Montenegrin 14.8
10 Bulgarian 15.9
11 Romanian 16.83
12 Macedonian 17.62
13 Brazilian 18.22
14 Bosnian 19.38
15 Portuguese 20.51
16 Turk_Kayseri 21.43
17 Cypriot 21.52
18 Lebanese 22.08
19 Spaniard 22.3
20 Palestinian 22.66

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 78.6% Greek_Thessaly + 21.4% Egyptian @ 4.11
2 81.5% Greek_Central + 18.5% Egyptian @ 4.12
3 61% Italian + 39% Lebanese @ 4.13
4 86.6% Ashkenazy_Jew + 13.4% Bashkir @ 4.21
5 73.2% Albanian + 26.8% Lebanese @ 4.3
6 75.4% Albanian + 24.6% Iraqi_Jew @ 4.3
7 59.3% Bulgarian + 40.7% Palestinian @ 4.31
8 61.7% Italian + 38.3% Palestinian @ 4.33
9 63.8% Italian + 36.2% Iraqi_Jew @ 4.36
10 75.7% Albanian + 24.3% Syrian @ 4.39
11 88.4% Ashkenazy_Jew + 11.6% Chuvash @ 4.4
12 82.4% Sephardic_Jew + 17.6% Chuvash @ 4.41
13 83.2% Sephardic_Jew + 16.8% Karelian @ 4.41
14 82.2% Greek_Central + 17.8% Libyan @ 4.41
15 83% Sephardic_Jew + 17% Russian @ 4.46
16 89.3% Greek_Central + 10.7% Tygray @ 4.48
17 89.3% Greek_Central + 10.7% Eritrean @ 4.48
18 83.9% Greek_Central + 16.1% Yemenite_Jew @ 4.49
19 83.1% Sicilian + 16.9% Bashkir @ 4.5
20 54% Palestinian + 46% French @ 4.52


Eurogenes K36



Population
Amerindian 0.51 Pct
Arabian 4.90 Pct
Armenian 2.84 Pct
Basque 1.35 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 3.83 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 5.38 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 1.81 Pct
East_Med 14.66 Pct
Eastern_Euro 3.62 Pct
Fennoscandian -
French -
Iberian 12.70 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 12.70 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 10.88 Pct
North_African 0.35 Pct
North_Atlantic -
North_Caucasian 9.73 Pct
North_Sea 3.93 Pct
Northeast_African 1.58 Pct
Oceanian 0.31 Pct
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian 1.47 Pct
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese 1.29 Pct
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 2.23 Pct
West_Med 3.90 Pct

Bosniensis
05-14-2019, 11:45 AM
Well, typical Muslim Greek, that one probably came in exchange.

Kaspias
05-14-2019, 11:48 AM
Well, typical Muslim Greek, that one probably came in exchange.

No. They escaped from Crete around 1880s. Although some are directly Muslim Greek so convert, this person comes from Turkic lineage. He is not Muslim Greek.

Voskos
05-14-2019, 11:48 AM
Is he fully cretan?

Bosniensis
05-14-2019, 11:49 AM
No. They escaped from Crete around 1880s. Although some are directly Muslim Greek so convert, this person comes from Turkic ancestors. He is not Muslim Greek.

Well you know that much better I suppose.

The only thing I know is that EXCHANGE, exchanged only Leftover Muslims in Greece, while most of them ALREADY moved to Turkey without exchange.

So 500.000 (according to Exchange) isn't even 30% of Balkaners in Turkey.

Kaspias
05-14-2019, 11:50 AM
Is he fully cretan?

Known ancestors, yes

Voskos
05-14-2019, 12:05 PM
His difference compared to cretan greeks on mdlp k16: presence of arctic, southeast asian, indian, somewhat higher siberean but not much.

Kaspias
05-14-2019, 12:11 PM
Well you know that much better I suppose.

The only thing I know is that EXCHANGE, exchanged only Leftover Muslims in Greece, while most of them ALREADY moved to Turkey without exchange.

So 500.000 (according to Exchange) isn't even 30% of Balkaners in Turkey.

True. The Muslim Greek population was mainly in Ioannina, Peloponnese, Kozani and Crete before the revolt began. After the revolt some are killed, some escaped to Albania and assimilated among Albanians and Torbeshi's. Some escaped to the Western Thrace and assimilated among Turks. Some escaped to Turkey with Turks.

On the other hand, the main origin of Greece migrators in population exchange was Thessaloniki(Yannitsa-Kozani-Kilkis-Langaza), Serres, Drama, and Kavala. They were all Turkmen settlement. Muslim Greeks who came Turkey were bilingual both Greek and Turkish, some even couldn't speak Turkish, on the other hand, Turks only could speak Turkish. According to the state archive, only 1.138 people got Turkish language education after they migrated to Turkey.

Sora
08-02-2019, 03:24 PM
Interesting... I always wondered if Cretan Muslims are Greeks or really Turks. I know a Cretan Turk woman who's married to an Asian man, and she said she is of Greek origin at a comment of the post. Then she said her family is Cretan immigrant in Turkey at her IG story. And she has very round face and blue eyes.

My mind is confused now. All Cretan Turks have partially Turkmen origin? Or are there Turkized Greeks among them?

itilvolga
08-02-2019, 03:38 PM
Interesting... I always wondered if Cretan Muslims are Greeks or really Turks. I know a Cretan Turk woman who's married to an Asian man, and she said she is of Greek origin at a comment of the post. Then she said her family is Cretan immigrant in Turkey at her IG story. And she has very round face and blue eyes.

My mind is confused now. All Cretan Turks have partially Turkmen origin? Or are there Turkized Greeks among them?

As far as i know, some of them are Muslim Greeks (convert) and some of them are really Turks with certain Siberian and East Asian admixture even if it’s only around 0-5%.

Sora
08-02-2019, 03:42 PM
As far as i know, some of them are Muslim Greeks (convert) and some of them are really Turks with certain Siberian and East Asian admixture even if it’s only around 0-5%.

Thank you so much :o:o

Marmara
08-02-2019, 03:42 PM
Interesting... I always wondered if Cretan Muslims are Greeks or really Turks. I know a Cretan Turk woman who's married to an Asian man, and she said she is of Greek origin at a comment of the post. Then she said her family is Cretan immigrant in Turkey at her IG story. And she has very round face and blue eyes.

My mind is confused now. All Cretan Turks have partially Turkmen origin? Or are there Turkized Greeks among them?

Cretan muslims are mostly Greek converts by origin.

Sora
08-02-2019, 03:50 PM
Cretan muslims are mostly Greek converts by origin.

Thank you so much :o

I saw totally 3 Cretan Turk results and two samples scored 5% Mongoloid and other scored 2% Mongoloid. The one with 2% is probably a convert, because s/he never had any Turkic group at oracles. But the others with 5% had 14%-17% Turkmen/Chuvash/Nogay admixture.

Voskos
08-02-2019, 03:52 PM
Cretan Turks were mostly Greeks but as all Turks they did mix with settlers. From the few old texts I've read the settlers were mostly Laz and Oghuz. Also in an old cretan history book i found scanned the oghuz are described as ruthless compared to lazes and converts, though all three groups disliked cretan greeks and vice versa.

Marmara
08-02-2019, 03:53 PM
Cretan Turks were mostly Greeks but as all Turks they did mix with settlers. From the few old texts I've read the settlers were mostly Laz and Oghuz. Also in an old cretan history book i found scanned the oghuz are described as ruthless compared to lazes and converts, though all three groups disliked cretan greeks and vice versa.

Was the text describing Turks as Oghuz? That term got outdated since Turks were converted to Islam

Voskos
08-02-2019, 03:58 PM
The Greek/Cretan term referring to the oghuz in the text was "οξουζηδες" (pronounced in greek oksouzides). Both laz and oghuz were mentioned as turks iirc.

gültekin
08-02-2019, 04:01 PM
Was the text describing Turks as Oghuz? That term got outdated since Turks were converted to Islam

Never read Dede Korkut?

21993
08-02-2019, 04:14 PM
Looks very mixed

Kaspias
08-02-2019, 05:48 PM
As far as i know, some of them are Muslim Greeks (convert) and some of them are really Turks with certain Siberian and East Asian admixture even if it’s only around 0-5%.

True