Adopted, want to figure out my past

[YEMAKI]

Adopted from Russia in the 90's, no info about my biological family. What can you tell me?https://i.imgur.com/wce27zd.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/L8XxJUF.jpg

[PaleoEuropean]

Adopted from Russia in the 90's, no info about my biological family. What can you tell me?https://i.imgur.com/wce27zd.jpg

Autosomal ethnicity calculators aren't something you want to hedge bets on, recombination, a lack of tested SNPS and flawed old algorithms can lead you astray. The best bet is to work of close relative matches as they are far more accurate in determination. I have had many close relatives and distant ones i know personally take tests and the relationship distance has almost been spot on everytime as where my autosomal ethnicity calculators and tests are all over the place, they can't be relied upon. From that calculator though I would say you were British or Danish mostly.

[Leto]

From Russia with 40% North Atlantic? Do you look Nordic, Germanic?
Post Oracles too and MDLP K23b.

[JosephK]

Yeah it's like he's Russian with some NW Euro mixed in. Siberian's pretty high.

[Zmey Gorynych]

If you were adopted from Russia, you're not an ethnic Russian. Your result seems to be that of a swedish-finnish mix.

[YEMAKI]

From Russia with 40% North Atlantic? Do you look Nordic, Germanic?
Post Oracles too and MDLP K23b.

They say I look Baltic-nordic or Balto-Slavic in other threads, but mostly they say polish haha


https://i.imgur.com/5ONyvFj.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/1FehFZL.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/UdOjdeV.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/oGtFX8C.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/5QvcuwW.jpg

[Ljubic]

Adopted from Russia in the 90's, no info about my biological family. What can you tell me?https://i.imgur.com/wce27zd.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/L8XxJUF.jpg

Show us your commercial results

[YEMAKI]

If you were adopted from Russia, you're not an ethnic Russian. Your result seems to be that of a swede with some north-eastern european ancestry (most likely finnish).

I never claimed to be ethnic russian, but please understand the situation I am in.

[21993]

Click the Oracle and Oracle-4 buttons on the pages. Ethnicity estimates are done there.

[Laag]

From Russia with 40% North Atlantic? Do you look Nordic, Germanic?
Post Oracles too and MDLP K23b.

Probably Erzya or something.

[Impaler]

You look Finnish or Karelian, but who knows.

[Zmey Gorynych]

I never claimed to be ethnic russian, but please understand the situation I am in.
I'm not being negative in anyway. I'm simply pointing out what is in your results. Your North-Atlantic (which peaks in north-western europeans) is 40%. Russians average about 27-28% North-Atlantic. At the same time your Baltic is 35% while Russians average 47-48%. You seem to be half Swedish - half finnish. The oracle that is available in gedmatch would give an idea of what your ethnic background is.


Probably Erzya or something.
Erzya score something like 50% Baltic. Second only to Lithuanians and Latvians.

[Luke35]

Very interesting!!! You may possibly be a blend of NW Euro and something Eastern. What did the comercial test say? And what are your oracle results for your Eurogenes calculators?

[Impaler]

We need to see your Eurogenes K13 and K15 Oracles and Oracles-4.

[YEMAKI]

I'm not being negative in anyway. I'm simply pointing out what is in your results. Your North-Atlantic (which is typical for western Europeans) is 40%. Russians average about 27-28% North-Atlantic. At the same time your Baltic is 35% while Russians average 47-48%. You seem to be a half Swedish, half finnish. The oracle that is available in gedmatch would give an idea of what is your ethnic background.


Erzya score something like 50% Baltic. Second only to Lithuanians and Latvians.

Okey, which model should I use? Also my commercial test says what you say, northern swedish - north eastern finn, but hw does this fit with my history?

[JosephK]

Okey, which model should I use?

Try 'em all... and don't take them too seriously... if you're not "pure" then they're just "what you could be"...

And make sure you try others like MDLP and PuntDNAl calcs, you may get entirely different results...

[Zmey Gorynych]

Okey, which model should I use?
Take a look at the print screens you posted (your K13 result). Below population components (Baltic, North-Atlantic, etc) there is Oracle and Oracle 4. On gedmatch that's like a button, once you click it will show what ethnic group is your closest match. I suspect you wont get a close match in single mode so take a look at 2 population mode or 4 population mode.


Okey, which model should I use? Also my commercial test says what you say, northern swedish - north eastern finn, but hw does this fit with my history?
There is a finnish minority living in north-west Russia + many other finnic ethic groups. What is harder to explain is the presence of swedes. Maybe the group of finns to which your biological parents belong are admixed or it could be that your father is a swede who traveled to Russia or maybe he lives in Russia. What is your Y-Dna?

[YEMAKI]

K13 oracle

https://i.imgur.com/71fU7Iz.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/fmkXUvv.jpg

[PaleoEuropean]

Yeah it's like he's Russian with some NW Euro mixed in. Siberian's pretty high.

could be a misread from native American or his native american could be a misread from Finnish or Norwegian ancestry.

[JosephK]

could be a misread from native American or his native american could be a misread from Finnish or Norwegian ancestry.

Yeah I thought of that I after I posted and noticed how high the AmerIndian was...

[PaleoEuropean]

K13 oracle

https://i.imgur.com/71fU7Iz.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/fmkXUvv.jpg

What country do you live in? If you are American the Finnish came in waves so it might be fairly easy to track.

[Luke35]

Hmmm, your distances get better with the 2-way Oracle. This could be an indicator you have a mixed European ancestry. Still, 5.86 is not a crazy distance from N.Swedish.

[YEMAKI]

k15 oracle

https://i.imgur.com/DJ0Nc10.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/aAGEo0O.jpg

[oszkar07]

I think North Swedish has higher Siberian component compared to just Swedish ...possibly N Swedish sample is part Sami.

I also think your likely to have some type of North Euro either Finnish or Swedish admixture with something else.
Your Atlantic is too high to make you a full Slav like Russian or Polish. Your getting 40 Nth Atlantic and I as a half British person get 38 N Atlantic ... so it seems you must have either some North European or NW West European Admixture.

Try to find out what your Y Dna haplogroup is this should give you a better hint as to where your biological Father coud be from.

[Zmey Gorynych]

I think North Swedish has higher Siberian component compared to just Swedish ...possibly N Swedish sample is part Sami.

I also think your likely to have some type of North Euro either Finnish or Swedish admixture with something else.
Your Atlantic is too high to make you a full Slav like Russian or Polish. Your getting 40 Nth Atlantic and I as a half British person get 38 N Atlantic ... so it seems you must have either some North European or NW West European Admixture.

Try to find out what your Y Dna haplogroup is this should give you a better hint as to where your biological Father coud be from.
IMO his high Siberian comes from his finnish ancestry, eastern finns average 8%, he has 3.8%. Given what he knows I'd say it's a case of swedish father and eastern finnish (karelian or veps) mother from Russia.

[YEMAKI]

Here is punt 12 modern and mdlp 16 moder since some wanted me to try other ones than eghttps://i.imgur.com/ojLbAHS.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/W7Kz5F1.jpg

[Leto]

There is a finnish minority living in north-west Russia + many other finnic ethic groups. What is harder to explain is the presence of swedes. Maybe the group of finns to which your biological parents belong are admixed or it could be that your father is a swede who traveled to Russia or maybe he lives in Russia. What is your Y-Dna?
There were ca. 2 million Germans in the Soviet Union, he may be half German. Finno-Urgrics in Russia are very Eastern, they don't score 40% North Atlantic by any means.

[YEMAKI]

IMO his high Siberian comes from his finnish ancestry, eastern finns average 8%, he has 3.8%. Given what he knows I'd say it's a case of swedish father and eastern finnish (karelian or veps) mother from Russia.

maybe it is that simple? Swedish guy goes to russia meets some ethnic finn somehow, she gets pregnant, I get adopted? So sad

[Leto]

They say I look Baltic-nordic or Balto-Slavic in other threads, but mostly they say polish haha


I never claimed to be ethnic russian, but please understand the situation I am in.
You can easily pass as Northeast European. Baltic, Russian, Polish.

[Zmey Gorynych]

There were ca. 2 million Germans in the Soviet Union, he may be half German. Finno-Urgrics in Russia are very Eastern, they don't score 40% North Atlantic by any means.
Half german-half russian would result in roughly 35% north-atlantic and 35% baltic and it wouldn't explain his high Siberian. While half swedish-half eastern finn works just fine.


maybe it is that simple? Swedish guy goes to russia meets some ethnic finn somehow, she gets pregnant, I get adopted? So sadThese things happen sometimes. The important thing is that you're happy. Do you have a good family now? If yes then you should be at least content.

[Leto]

MDLP K23b Oracle results:
MDLP K23b Oracle Rev 2014 Sep 16

Kit UU3907325

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 44.44
2 Caucasian 21.28
3 European_Early_Farmers 19.16
4 Ancestral_Altaic 6.44
5 South_Central_Asian 4.3
6 East_Siberian 1.85
7 Amerindian 1.04
8 Subsaharian 0.92
9 Tungus-Altaic 0.58

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Swede_Saami ( ) 2.42
2 Dane ( ) 4.88
3 North_German ( ) 6.11
4 Swede ( ) 6.25
5 Finn_West ( ) 6.8
6 Dutch ( ) 6.95
7 German ( ) 7.62
8 Norwegian_East ( ) 8.89
9 German_East ( ) 9.11
10 German-Volga ( ) 9.56
11 South_German ( ) 9.98
12 Austrian ( ) 10.2
13 Belgian ( ) 10.47
14 Frisian ( ) 10.67
15 Irish ( ) 10.84
16 English ( ) 10.87
17 North_European ( ) 11.66
18 Norwegian_West ( ) 12.12
19 Icelandic ( ) 12.62
20 Hungarian ( ) 12.88

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 65% Frisian ( ) + 35% Vepsa ( ) @ 1.69
2 55.6% Frisian ( ) + 44.4% Finnish_FIN ( ) @ 1.77
3 63.7% Frisian ( ) + 36.3% Karelian ( ) @ 1.78
4 65.8% Dutch ( ) + 34.2% Finnish-East ( ) @ 1.85
5 50.5% British ( ) + 49.5% Russian-Upper-Volga ( ) @ 1.86
6 56.2% British ( ) + 43.8% Russian_Vologda ( ) @ 1.86
7 56.9% English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) + 43.1% Russian_Vologda ( ) @ 1.86
8 66.2% Dutch ( ) + 33.8% Finnish_FIN ( ) @ 1.86
9 66.5% Dutch ( ) + 33.5% Finn_East ( ) @ 1.87
10 50% Erzya ( ) + 50% English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) @ 1.89
11 50.8% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 49.2% Erzya ( ) @ 1.91
12 80.2% Swede_Saami ( ) + 19.8% Swede ( ) @ 1.92
13 75.6% Swede_Saami ( ) + 24.4% Dane ( ) @ 1.94
14 95.1% Swede_Saami ( ) + 4.9% Colombian ( ) @ 1.94
15 58.2% Frisian ( ) + 41.8% Russian-Ural ( ) @ 1.96
16 69% Dutch ( ) + 31% Finn ( ) @ 1.98
17 55.9% Frisian ( ) + 44.1% Finn_East ( ) @ 1.99
18 61.7% Finn_West ( ) + 38.3% Frisian ( ) @ 2
19 63.2% Norwegian_West ( ) + 36.8% Mordovian ( ) @ 2.01
20 73.4% Dutch ( ) + 26.6% Karelian ( ) @ 2.01

[Leto]

What are your 23andme results?

[YEMAKI]

What are your 23andme results?

Mosty finnish and scandi

[Leto]

Mosty finnish and scandi
Then that's what you are. How much Eastern European? Full Russians get as much 95% now.

[YEMAKI]

found haplotypes

U5b1b2.

I-L205.1.

[Jana]

found haplotypes

U5b1b2.

I-L205.1.

Germanic ydna, looking at yfull it is mostly found in England/UK plus one Norwegian sample.

Mtdna you have is typical northeast European, most common in Finland.

[Zmey Gorynych]

Germanic ydna, looking at yfull it is mostly found in England/UK plus one Norwegian sample.
If his Y-dna is found mainly in England then the mixed mode in Leto's post nr. 31 is highly likely. Half english-half erzya but then you have his 23andme results which gives him half swedish half finnish so who knows.

[Karol Klačansky]

Share your exact 23andme results. Also share your Eurogenes k36 results. You look to be half finnish and half british.

[Jana]

If his Y-dna is found mainly in England then the mixed mode in Leto's post nr. 31 is highly likely. Half english-half erzya.

His phenotype very North Russian/Finnish corded nordid

[PaleoEuropean]

found haplotypes

U5b1b2.

I-L205.1.

both are native cro-magnon haplogroups, congrats you are a Paleo-European champion.

[PaleoEuropean]

both are native cro-magnon haplogroups, congrats you are a Paleo-European champion.

You could be 100% Scandinavian or maybe if you are American your parents are from Minnesota or somewhere with a Finnish population.

[farke1]

You could be 100% Scandinavian or maybe if you are American your parents are from Minnesota or somewhere with a Finnish population.
They could be (partially) Kvens, a Finnic minority people that settled in the far north of Norway. I have a friend from Finnmark that looks sort of similar to this guy and he's 2/3 Norwegian, 1/3 Kven. I'm just speculating though.


both are native cro-magnon haplogroups, congrats you are a Paleo-European champion.
Is U5 natively European? I thought it was Asian (and I won't drag you into a discussion about the importance of haplogroups again, sorry, but I was just curious about this specifically). Cheers!

[PaleoEuropean]

They could be (partially) Kvens, a Finnic minority people that settled in the far north of Norway. I have a friend from Finnmark that looks sort of similar to this guy and he's 2/3 Norwegian, 1/3 Kven. I'm just speculating though.


Is U5 natively European? I thought it was Asian (and I won't drag you into a discussion about the importance of haplogroups again, sorry, but I was just curious about this specifically). Cheers!

U5 is native to Europe too, MTDNA is a bit trickier than YDNA.

[PaleoEuropean]

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0010285

[YEMAKI]

23https://i.imgur.com/eltcKDc.jpg

[farke1]

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0010285
Thanks, super interesting link!

[YEMAKI]

both are native cro-magnon haplogroups, congrats you are a Paleo-European champion.

Really don't care about that

[YEMAKI]

You could be 100% Scandinavian or maybe if you are American your parents are from Minnesota or somewhere with a Finnish population.

Dude, this whole thread is about how I'm adopted from Russia, how would I be American? Keep up

[PaleoEuropean]

Dude, this whole thread is about how I'm adopted from Russia, how would I be American? Keep up

Didn't see that part about Russia, but your clade U5b1b2 is Saami which is the Asian not European clade. So you are probably 100% Finnish not Russian since bother your parents have Scandinavian haplogroups.

[YEMAKI]

Didn't see that part about Russia, but your clade U5b1b2 is Saami which is the Asian not European clade. So you are probably 100% Finnish not Russian since bother your parents have Scandinavian haplogroups.

Finns are not scandinavian

[PaleoEuropean]

You should find a genetic genealogist and do it the right way to get answers, all the stuff we are discussing is going to be of little use to you.

[PaleoEuropean]

Finns are not scandinavian

Finns are Scandinavian and Siberian mixed

[YEMAKI]

Finns are Scandinavian and Siberian mixed

Very simplified, and also not correct

[Karol Klačansky]

Finns are not scandinavianShare your 23 and me results can you

Sent from my ANE-LX1 using Tapatalk

[YEMAKI]

Share your 23 and me results can you

Sent from my ANE-LX1 using Tapatalk

I did, previous page

[Leto]

You're basically a Swedish/Finnish mix. Nothing Russian. Not even 1% Eastern European, lol.

[YEMAKI]

You're basically a Swedish/Finnish mix. Nothing Russian. Not even 1% Eastern European, lol.

Yeah seems like it! I never claimed ethnic russian

[Zmey Gorynych]

You were probably born in republic of Karelia or close to that region. Maybe cities like Saint Petersburg or Viborg.

[Not a Cop]

Yeah seems like it! I never claimed ethnic russian

Considering that you were born in Russia, most likely option is that you're descent from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingrian_Finns, they lived around Saint-Petersburg.

As for the story most likely is that your father came to some sort of trip to Russia and had impregnated your mother, live in 90-s was very harsh and Russian wemen looked up to western males as a ticket to a better life, many got as promiscoious as possible to seduce one, probably that's what happened to your mother, but for some reason relationship of your parents didn't work out.

I know it's not the most pleasant story, but that's most logical explanation i can come up with.

[Leto]

Considering that you were born in Russia, most likely option is that you're descent from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingrian_Finns, they lived around Saint-Petersburg.

As for the story most likely is that your father came to some sort of trip to Russia and had impregnated your mother, live in 90-s was very harsh and Russian wemen looked up to western males as a ticket to a better life, many got as promiscoious as possible to seduce one, probably that's what happened to your mother, but for some reason relationship of your parents didn't work out.

I know it's not the most pleasant story, but that's most logical explanation i can come up with.
SPB Russians are still majority Eastern Euro on DNA tests, the guy is not Russian at all. His Swedish region is basically Northern Sweden and his Finnish one is not far from there either. He's Swedish/Finnish, not Russian.

[Leto]

This guy looks like an ethnic Russian adoptee
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?293306-Ancestry-DNA-Results-Adopted-from-Russia