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karakartal
06-22-2019, 08:21 AM
Eurogenes K13

# Population Percent
1 West_Med 21.72
2 East_Med 21.56
3 North_Atlantic 20.27
4 Baltic 17.92
5 West_Asian 11.67
6 Red_Sea 5.28
7 Oceanian 1.5
8 Amerindian 0.08

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 4.56
2 Bulgarian 7.56
3 Romanian 9.28
4 Tuscan 10.19
5 Italian_Abruzzo 10.38
6 Central_Greek 10.44
7 West_Sicilian 11.25
8 East_Sicilian 11.54
9 North_Italian 12.95
10 Serbian 13.12
11 Ashkenazi 14.4
12 South_Italian 14.57
13 Moldavian 18.77
14 Algerian_Jewish 20.07
15 Portuguese 20.21
16 Italian_Jewish 20.3
17 Sephardic_Jewish 20.31
18 Spanish_Extremadura 20.56
19 Spanish_Galicia 20.96
20 Hungarian 21.3

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 68.5% Central_Greek + 31.5% Croatian @ 3.44
2 60.2% South_Italian + 39.8% Croatian @ 3.45
3 66.1% East_Sicilian + 33.9% Croatian @ 3.47
4 66.3% South_Italian + 33.7% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.48
5 56.6% South_Italian + 43.4% Moldavian @ 3.52
6 89.6% Greek_Thessaly + 10.4% East_German @ 3.54
7 88.8% Greek_Thessaly + 11.2% Austrian @ 3.55
8 62.7% East_Sicilian + 37.3% Moldavian @ 3.55
9 86.6% Greek_Thessaly + 13.4% Moldavian @ 3.56
10 81.6% Greek_Thessaly + 18.4% Serbian @ 3.57
11 88.3% Greek_Thessaly + 11.7% Croatian @ 3.57
12 90.8% Greek_Thessaly + 9.2% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.59
13 74% Central_Greek + 26% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.63
14 65.3% Central_Greek + 34.7% Moldavian @ 3.64
15 92.2% Greek_Thessaly + 7.8% Polish @ 3.66
16 75.8% Greek_Thessaly + 24.2% Romanian @ 3.66
17 63.4% West_Sicilian + 36.6% Moldavian @ 3.67
18 61.7% Bulgarian + 38.3% West_Sicilian @ 3.69
19 71.8% East_Sicilian + 28.2% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.69
20 56.3% Central_Greek + 43.7% Serbian @ 3.7

Eurogenes K15
# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 18.48
2 West_Med 16.98
3 East_Med 16.85
4 West_Asian 13.34
5 Baltic 12.93
6 North_Sea 9.38
7 Red_Sea 5.72
8 Eastern_Euro 5.1
9 Oceanian 1.22

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek 7.16
2 Bulgarian 7.7
3 Greek_Thessaly 8.93
4 Tuscan 9.13
5 Romanian 9.85
6 Italian_Abruzzo 10.1
7 Central_Greek 11.25
8 West_Sicilian 11.58
9 East_Sicilian 11.74
10 North_Italian 12.08
11 Ashkenazi 12.54
12 Serbian 13.35
13 South_Italian 14.04
14 Spanish_Andalucia 18.09
15 Moldavian 18.24
16 Spanish_Extremadura 18.25
17 Portuguese 18.49
18 Italian_Jewish 18.57
19 Sephardic_Jewish 18.66
20 Austrian 18.84

Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 57% Bulgarian + 43% Tuscan @ 5.22
2 65.2% Bulgarian + 34.8% West_Sicilian @ 5.42
3 61% Bulgarian + 39% Italian_Abruzzo @ 5.44
4 82.3% Greek + 17.7% Southwest_French @ 5.53
5 80.2% Greek + 19.8% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 5.59
6 66.2% Bulgarian + 33.8% East_Sicilian @ 5.62
7 82.6% Greek + 17.4% Spanish_Cantabria @ 5.63
8 87.4% Greek + 12.6% French_Basque @ 5.65
9 71.3% Bulgarian + 28.7% South_Italian @ 5.71
10 81.8% Greek + 18.2% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 5.71
11 83.4% Greek + 16.6% Spanish_Aragon @ 5.77
12 77.8% Bulgarian + 22.2% Sephardic_Jewish @ 5.78
13 80.5% Greek + 19.5% Spanish_Extremadura @ 5.8
14 83.1% Greek + 16.9% French @ 5.8
15 81.3% Greek + 18.7% Spanish_Galicia @ 5.82
16 80.5% Greek + 19.5% Spanish_Andalucia @ 5.82
17 81.6% Greek + 18.4% Spanish_Cataluna @ 5.84
18 81.4% Greek + 18.6% Austrian @ 5.87
19 84.6% Greek + 15.4% East_German @ 5.88
20 85.1% Greek + 14.9% South_Dutch @ 5.88

MDLP K23b
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 40.27
2 European_Hunters_Gatherers 22.34
3 European_Early_Farmers 20.67
4 Near_East 9.42
5 North_African 2.27
6 Ancestral_Altaic 2.06
7 South_Central_Asian 1.58
8 Australoid 0.7
9 Melano_Polynesian 0.38
10 South_East_Asian 0.23
11 Khoisan 0.08

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Phokaia ( ) 3.72
2 Central_Greek ( ) 3.96
3 Romanian_Jew ( ) 4.19
4 Greek_Thessaloniki ( ) 4.3
5 Greek ( ) 4.41
6 Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) 4.75
7 Greek_Thessaly ( ) 4.98
8 Greek_Macedonia ( ) 5.09
9 Albanian_Tirana ( ) 5.36
10 Greek_Athens ( ) 5.43
11 Gagauz ( ) 5.48
12 Ashkenazi ( ) 5.53
13 Sicilian_Center ( ) 6.01
14 Italian_South ( ) 6.37
15 Cretan ( ) 7.16
16 Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) 8.14
17 Sicilian_Siracusa ( ) 8.15
18 Sicilian_East ( ) 8.16
19 Kosovar ( ) 9.03
20 Greek_Smyrna ( ) 9.08

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 73.4% Greek_Phokaia ( ) + 26.6% Macedonian ( ) @ 1.82
2 54.6% Greek_Phokaia ( ) + 45.4% Greek_Thessaloniki ( ) @ 1.86
3 78.7% Greek_Phokaia ( ) + 21.3% Montenegrian ( ) @ 1.89
4 75% Greek_Phokaia ( ) + 25% Bulgarian ( ) @ 1.89
5 81.5% Greek_Phokaia ( ) + 18.5% Serb_BH ( ) @ 1.97
6 81.6% Greek_Phokaia ( ) + 18.4% Croat ( ) @ 1.97
7 82.1% Greek_Phokaia ( ) + 17.9% Serb_Serbia ( ) @ 1.99
8 59.4% Greek_Phokaia ( ) + 40.6% Greek_Thessaly ( ) @ 2.04
9 50.7% Greek_Thessaly ( ) + 49.3% Greek_Macedonia ( ) @ 2.08
10 58.1% Greek_Phokaia ( ) + 41.9% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) @ 2.08
11 82.5% Greek_Phokaia ( ) + 17.5% Bosnian ( ) @ 2.09
12 82.5% Greek_Phokaia ( ) + 17.5% Croat_BH ( ) @ 2.11
13 87.5% Greek_Phokaia ( ) + 12.5% Slovenian ( ) @ 2.14
14 61.9% Greek_Phokaia ( ) + 38.1% Albanian_Tirana ( ) @ 2.17
15 87.8% Greek_Phokaia ( ) + 12.2% Hungarian ( ) @ 2.17
16 87.4% Greek_Phokaia ( ) + 12.6% Hungarian_Budapest ( ) @ 2.22
17 52.2% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 47.8% Greek_Macedonia ( ) @ 2.23
18 81.7% Greek_Macedonia ( ) + 18.3% Italian_Piedmont ( ) @ 2.26
19 89.2% Greek_Phokaia ( ) + 10.8% Austrian ( ) @ 2.29
20 89.6% Greek_Phokaia ( ) + 10.4% Kashub ( ) @ 2.31

Dodecad K12b
# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 30.49
2 Atlantic_Med 27.99
3 North_European 25.8
4 Southwest_Asian 10.72
5 Gedrosia 2.82
6 Northwest_African 1.89
7 Southeast_Asian 0.3

# Population (source) Distance
1 O_Italian (Dodecad) 7.86
2 Greek (Dodecad) 8.12
3 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 10.17
4 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 10.27
5 C_Italian (Dodecad) 10.65
6 Romanians (Behar) 11.27
7 Tuscan (HGDP) 12.06
8 TSI30 (Metspalu) 12.43
9 Sicilian (Dodecad) 14.25
10 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 14.36
11 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 14.39
12 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 14.44
13 N_Italian (Dodecad) 15.26
14 North_Italian (HGDP) 17.51
15 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 20.58
16 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 22.18
17 Hungarians (Behar) 25.48
18 Baleares (1000Genomes) 25.71
19 Galicia (1000Genomes) 26.4
20 Turkish (Dodecad)

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 73.5% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 26.5% Polish (Dodecad) @ 1.88
2 73.7% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 26.3% Polish (Dodecad) @ 1.98
3 75.5% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 24.5% Belorussian (Behar) @ 2.18
4 79.1% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 20.9% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 2.22
5 64.1% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 35.9% Hungarians (Behar) @ 2.28
6 75.7% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 24.3% Belorussian (Behar) @ 2.28
7 77.9% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 22.1% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 2.3
8 79.2% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 20.8% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 2.3
9 78.1% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 21.9% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 2.35
10 74.2% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 25.8% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 2.38
11 74.4% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 25.6% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 2.39
12 72.8% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 27.2% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.42
13 73% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 27% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.45
14 67.5% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 32.5% German (Dodecad) @ 2.59
15 67.5% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 32.5% German (Dodecad) @ 2.79
16 74% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 26% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 2.83
17 75.8% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 24.2% Russian (Dodecad) @ 2.86
18 73.9% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 26.1% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 2.89
19 64.1% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 35.9% Hungarians (Behar) @ 2.91
20 75.7% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 24.3% Russian (Dodecad) @ 2.9

Dodecad K7b
# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Baltic 47.38
2 Southern 31.14
3 West_Asian 21.09
4 East_Asian 0.31
5 African 0.08

# Population (source) Distance
1 Tuscan (HGDP) 1.3
2 TSI30 (Metspalu) 2.64
3 O_Italian (Dodecad) 2.92
4 C_Italian (Dodecad) 5.6
5 Greek (Dodecad) 7.05
6 N_Italian (Dodecad) 9.59
7 North_Italian (HGDP) 9.88
8 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 9.93
9 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 10.38
10 Romanians (Behar) 11.41
11 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 12.95
12 Sicilian (Dodecad) 14.04
13 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 15.23
14 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 15.25
15 Baleares (1000Genomes) 16.39
16 Canarias (1000Genomes) 16.61
17 Murcia (1000Genomes) 16.65
18 Andalucia (1000Genomes) 17.18
19 Extremadura (1000Genomes) 17.52
20 Galicia (1000Genomes) 17.71

# Population (source) Distance
1 Tuscan (HGDP) 1.3
2 TSI30 (Metspalu) 2.64
3 O_Italian (Dodecad) 2.92
4 C_Italian (Dodecad) 5.6
5 Greek (Dodecad) 7.05
6 N_Italian (Dodecad) 9.59
7 North_Italian (HGDP) 9.88
8 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 9.93
9 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 10.38
10 Romanians (Behar) 11.41
11 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 12.95
12 Sicilian (Dodecad) 14.04
13 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 15.23
14 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 15.25
15 Baleares (1000Genomes) 16.39
16 Canarias (1000Genomes) 16.61
17 Murcia (1000Genomes) 16.65
18 Andalucia (1000Genomes) 17.18
19 Extremadura (1000Genomes) 17.52
20 Galicia (1000Genomes) 17.71

Puntdnal K15

# Population Percent
1 Mediterranean 37.68
2 NE_European 32.99
3 Caucasian 17.24
4 SW_Asian 8.93
5 Oceanian 1.81
6 Horn_Of_Africa 1.19
7 Amerindian 0.16
8 Omo_River 0.02

# Population (source) Distance
1 Albanian 3.86
2 Italian 5.59
3 Tuscan 5.59
4 Greek_Thessaly 5.7
5 Montenegrin 6.21
6 Greek_Central 7.64
7 Bulgarian 7.9
8 Romanian 8.57
9 Macedonian 10.2
10 Ashkenazy_Jew 12.67
11 Portuguese 12.69
12 Bosnian 12.92
13 Spaniard 13.14
14 Brazilian 13.25
15 Sicilian 13.89
16 Serbian 16.23
17 Sephardic_Jew 16.78
18 French 17.75
19 South_German 20.42
20 Basque

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89.3% Italian + 10.7% Bedouin_A @ 2.61
2 65.1% French + 34.9% Samaritian @ 2.81
3 92.1% Italian + 7.9% Saudi @ 2.94
4 87.6% Italian + 12.4% Jordanian @ 2.95
5 71.3% Montenegrin + 28.7% Sicilian @ 2.98
6 93.9% Albanian + 6.1% Mordovian @ 2.98
7 94.6% Albanian + 5.4% Lithuanian @ 2.98
8 94.1% Albanian + 5.9% Belarusian @ 2.99
9 90.8% Albanian + 9.2% Austrian @ 2.99
10 64.7% Sicilian + 35.3% Orcadian @ 3
11 67.2% Sicilian + 32.8% Norwegian @ 3
12 69.4% Albanian + 30.6% Montenegrin @ 3.03
13 69.4% Montenegrin + 30.6% Ashkenazy_Jew @ 3.03
14 93.3% Albanian + 6.7% Polish @ 3.03
15 65.8% Sicilian + 34.2% Scottish @ 3.03
16 94.4% Albanian + 5.6% Finnish @ 3.03
17 63.8% Sicilian + 36.2% Austrian @ 3.04
18 75.4% Albanian + 24.6% Bulgarian @ 3.04
19 64.2% Sicilian + 35.8% English @ 3.04
20 87.7% Italian + 12.3% Syrian @ 3.04

Eurogenes K36
Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 3.41 Pct
Armenian 1.76 Pct
Basque 0.24 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 0.63 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 10.73 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 9.10 Pct
East_Med 6.34 Pct
Eastern_Euro 2.08 Pct
Fennoscandian 1.03 Pct
French 0.26 Pct
Iberian 9.03 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 24.28 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 6.47 Pct
North_African -
North_Atlantic 7.27 Pct
North_Caucasian 5.08 Pct
North_Sea 0.45 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian 0.22 Pct
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 4.55 Pct
West_Med 7.06 Pct

karakartal
06-22-2019, 08:30 AM
K36 Similarity map;
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Voskos
06-22-2019, 09:45 AM
Nice find. He seems to be a mix of north greek and sephardi jew.

karakartal
06-22-2019, 10:02 AM
Nice find. He seems to be a mix of north greek and sephardi jew.

He is from Central Thessaloniki and have a Turkish name and surname. He's grandparents came Turkey by population exchange about Turkey and Greece.

Mehmet Udegey
07-31-2019, 11:23 AM
Very interesting.

Pine
07-31-2019, 09:10 PM
What makes you think this is a Donmeh?

Pine
07-31-2019, 09:14 PM
Here is a plot of 2 Donmeh (d1 and d2):

https://i.postimg.cc/fLc44TNq/K15-V4last-cropped.png

Whom you posted is either not a Donmeh or only has minor/distant Donmeh ancestry.

karakartal
07-31-2019, 09:14 PM
What makes you think this is a Donmeh?

they don't have any turkish ancestry but they became muslim and came turkey because turkey-greece population exchange.

Pine
07-31-2019, 09:16 PM
they don't have any turkish ancestry but they became muslim and came turkey because turkey-greece population exchange.

How does that answer the question? Their gedmatch output shows 0 evidence they're a donmeh and only evidence to the contrary.

karakartal
07-31-2019, 09:16 PM
How does that answer the question? Their gedmatch output shows 0 evidence they're a donmeh and only evidence to the contrary.

because i know him and their family&their story.

Pine
07-31-2019, 09:17 PM
because i know him and their family&their story.

Are you the same guy who posted the fake Romaniote gedmatch and said you knew them as well?

Pine
07-31-2019, 09:18 PM
double

Annihilus
07-31-2019, 09:18 PM
edit: forgot dönmeh was jew to muslim, don't see Jew in him.

karakartal
07-31-2019, 09:18 PM
Are you the same guy who posted the fake Romaniote gedmatch and said you knew them as well?

i don't know what do you talking about

Pine
07-31-2019, 09:21 PM
i don't know what do you talking about

Ok. Look at the K15 plot of 2 Donmeh. Your sample can only be distantly Donmeh, as it doesn't show any sign of Jewish heritage. Maybe given random inheritance, 1/4 is a possibility. Post his JTest.

karakartal
07-31-2019, 09:23 PM
Ok. Look at the K15 plot of 2 Donmeh. Your sample can only be distantly Donmeh, as it doesn't show any sign of Jewish heritage. Maybe given random inheritance, 1/4 is a possibility. Post his JTest.

i don't have his gedmatch kit number, i delete.
he is not jewish i think. his ancestry greek but they family convert muslim and came here because lausanne aggreement.

Pine
07-31-2019, 09:25 PM
i don't have his gedmatch kit number, i delete.
he is not jewish i think. his ancestry greek but they family convert muslim and came here because lausanne aggreement.

I see where the confusion is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%B6nmeh

"Donmeh" only applies to ex-Jews, unless you guys use it wider now.

karakartal
07-31-2019, 09:31 PM
I see where the confusion is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%B6nmeh

"Donmeh" only applies to ex-Jews, unless you guys use it wider now.

yes you are right but i don't use this for jews.