Post your France 23andMe regions

[Peterski]

They give me two French regions:

https://i.imgur.com/9CArBfW.png

[Bellbeaking]

https://i.imgur.com/CKWplKV.png

I have some very distant ancestry from there.

[Ülev]

They give me two French regions:

https://i.imgur.com/9CArBfW.png

so basically - Rethelski

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rethel

Rethel (French pronunciation: ​[ʁə.tɛl]) is a commune in the Ardennes department in northern France.

[firemonkey]

Only with Ancestry upload to 23andMe. Poi's web runner gives me very low levels of French.

https://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/labile/genealogy/France%2023%20Ancestry%20dna%20upload.png

[Lucas]

They give me two French regions:

https://i.imgur.com/9CArBfW.png

I guess because of submerged Polish emigration to NE France (pre 1939 mainly). Now they are assimilated and treated as part of reference of that region by 23&me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poles_in_France


Total population
1,000,000 (2009) - 2% of the French population

Regions with significant populations
Île-de-France, Nord-Pas-de-Calais, Alsace, Lorraine, Centre-Val de Loire...

[Not a Cop]

I guess because of submerged Polish emigration to NE France (pre 1939 mainly). Now they are moslty assimilated and treated as part of reference of that region by 23&me.

Is there any data on numbers of migrants?

[Lucas]

Is there any data on numbers of migrants?

I'll try to find. But they emigrated to NE France because they worked in industry which was located there.

[Rædwald]

https://i.postimg.cc/6qCtKhHL/Capture.png

[dududud]

Father beta version:
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/320xq90/r/921/qszjQJ.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/320xq90/r/922/cGhFIO.jpg

[Peterski]

I guess because of submerged Polish emigration to NE France (pre 1939 mainly)

But according to SNP Tracker my Y-DNA (of course not DF27 as a whole, but my exact subclade) came from Gallia (France) in Roman times: :)

http://scaledinnovation.com/gg/snpTracker.html

https://i.imgur.com/7p1jozC.png

^^^ Roman legions or Celtic refugees?: http://archaeologyinbulgaria.com/2018/05/10/first-ever-traces-of-roman-military-presence-in-poland-discovered-by-archaeologists-in-kujawy-region/

[Western_French]

But according to SNP Tracker my Y-DNA (of course not DF27 as a whole, but my exact subclade) came from Gallia (France) in Roman times: :)

http://scaledinnovation.com/gg/snpTracker.html

https://i.imgur.com/7p1jozC.png

^^^ Roman legions or Celtic refugees?: http://archaeologyinbulgaria.com/2018/05/10/first-ever-traces-of-roman-military-presence-in-poland-discovered-by-archaeologists-in-kujawy-region/

Lukaz could be right, polish immigration was quite massive in nord pas de Calais to work in coal mines during the 20th century and most of them are 100% assimilated today, I have a few friends with polish ancestry myself. But you could also be right, maybe its a combination of both circumstances.

[Phenix]

I guess because of submerged Polish emigration to NE France (pre 1939 mainly). Now they are assimilated and treated as part of reference of that region by 23&me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poles_in_France


Total population
1,000,000 (2009) - 2% of the French population

Regions with significant populations
Île-de-France, Nord-Pas-de-Calais, Alsace, Lorraine, Centre-Val de Loire...

Exactly, most Poles worked in the steel industry of Lorraine, and then settled pretty much exclusively in NE France.

[Lucas]

Exactly, most Poles worked in the steel industry of Lorraine, and then settled pretty much exclusively in NE France.

So it is agreement that if Pole got NE France in 23&me it is caued by common Polish heritage there.

I'm interested now if some supposed 100% Frenchmen (ideally not from NE France) got Polish regions, because it would be contradiction to above... Any one?

[Peterski]

So it is agreement that if Pole got NE France in 23&me it is caued by common Polish heritage there.

By this logic all of Germany also has Polish heritage because of: 1) old Polish immigration, 2) Polish Germans coming after 1945, 3) new Polish immigration. I even have a cousin who now lives in Lower Saxony. And I scored Lower Saxony on 23andMe. So I scored Lower Saxony because I have Polish cousins there? :)

Do you really think that 23andMe is using Ruhrpolen and French Poles as references?

This data shows how many Ruhrpolen lived in West Germany already before WW1:

https://i.imgur.com/usmzEdz.png

[Lucas]

By this logic all of Germany also has Polish heritage because of: 1) old Polish immigration, 2) Polish Germans coming after 1945, 3) new Polish immigration. I even have a cousin who now lives in Lower Saxony. And I scored Lower Saxony on 23andMe. So I scored Lower Saxony because I have Polish cousins there? :)

Do you really think that 23andMe is using Ruhrpolen and French Poles as references?

This data shows how many Ruhrpolen lived in West Germany already before WW1:


I think yes, because those French Poles were assimilated before WWII. I guess most of their descendants don't have Polish surnames even. So nobody in 23&me would know they have Polish heritage.

[Phenix]

So it is agreement that if Pole got NE France in 23&me it is caued by common Polish heritage there.

I'm interested now if some supposed 100% Frenchmen (ideally not from NE France) got Polish regions, because it would be contradiction to above... Any one?

I have seen this schema in MENA regions where Arabs in North Africa still score fairly high ME results, even if NA Arabs are part of NA reference samples; while the opposite is almost impossible to happen. Brits with Scandinavian match are also a good parallel.

[Peterski]

I think yes, because those French Poles were assimilated before WWII. I guess most of their descendants don't have Polish surnames even. So nobody in 23&me would know they have Polish heritage.

Serious accusation? :confused: You basically claim they are idiots.

[jingorex]

wow they have done an upgrade to 23andme since i logged in last.

France is my #2 thingy but they got no idea why...even my greece bits are narrowed down to the southern tip...which im pretty sure makes me 100% niggro!!!

Wooooo!!

https://i.postimg.cc/brPLB7TL/23me-report.png

https://media.giphy.com/media/xUPGcCr9KtulU3dFm0/giphy.gif

[TheOldNorth]

I don't have any but my mom does
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