My YDNA (Austrian)

[LandserGlatze]

It is

R-Y2905

anything unusual?

[Ayetooey]

I think that's R1a-m458. That's like typical west slavic quite common in Poland and in Sorbs; your paternal ancestor must of been assimilated, it's ok though it doesn't change your identity autosomal means more. Where in Austria are you from?

[Ülev]

hi Rethel's lost cousin

[LandserGlatze]

I think that's R1a-m458. That's like typical west slavic quite common in Poland and in Sorbs; your paternal ancestor must of been assimilated, it's ok though it doesn't change your identity autosomal means more. Where in Austria are you from?

are you kiddin me?

im 0% slav im from south austria, city of Innsbrug

[Sp_loa]

are you kiddin me?

im 0% slav im from south austria, city of Innsbrug

He isn't kidding. Slavic R1a Subclade. Seems to be common in Poland and Ukraine. https://yfull.com/tree/R-Y2905/

YDNA doesn't mean a lot. It's enough that you had one slavic ancestor on your paternal line many years ago... and boom you have Slavic YDNA.

[Ayetooey]

are you kiddin me?

im 0% slav im from south austria, city of Innsbrug

I'm not saying you are a slav; but your oldest paternal ancestor was very certainly slavic. Do you have some autosomal results also?

[Matxe92]

Austrians are half slavic, abit of italic, rest germanic.

[LandserGlatze]

He isn't kidding. Slavic R1a Subclade. Seems to be common in Poland and Ukraine. https://yfull.com/tree/R-Y2905/

YDNA doesn't mean a lot. It's enough that you had one slavic ancestor on your paternal line many years ago... and boom you have Slavic YDNA.

im never slav, r is found all over europe

[LandserGlatze]

I'm not saying you are a slav; but your oldest paternal ancestor was very certainly slavic. Do you have some autosomal results also?

23andme mistakes, russia or poland had viking settlers

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/513533636893736961/606173793592803328/unknown.png

[TheMaestro]

im never slav, r is found all over europe

Time to get to the train ---- Arbeit macht frei..

[Ayetooey]

23andme mistakes, russia or poland had viking settlers

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/513533636893736961/606173793592803328/unknown.png

You are heavily slavic. Perhaps this is typical for Innsbrug but I've never seen result from there. You score Russian which is interesting.

[Annihilus]

R-Y2905 sits below R1a-m458 and is slavic

[Blondie]

When LandserGlatze don't answer my pm:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ac/79/ec/ac79ec5dd1a5b35f1121ba26bb0adef2.gif

[Matxe92]

As i said, austrians are half slavic. Deal with it. You don't look fully germanic either are u kidding me?

[LandserGlatze]

You are heavily slavic. Perhaps this is typical for Innsbrug but I've never seen result from there. You score Russian which is interesting.

not sure who runs this fucking website

23fakeme

[Ayetooey]

As i said, austrians are half slavic. Deal with it. You don't look fully germanic either are u kidding me?

Someone get Peterski here..

[LandserGlatze]

As i said, austrians are half slavic. Deal with it. You don't look fully germanic either are u kidding me?

are you kiddin me? this is my favorite singer landser

[LandserGlatze]

When LandserGlatze don't answer my pm:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ac/79/ec/ac79ec5dd1a5b35f1121ba26bb0adef2.gif

what?

[LandserGlatze]

As i said, austrians are half slavic. Deal with it. You don't look fully germanic either are u kidding me?

https://archive.org/details/LandserPolackenTango

[MagnusDark]

are you kiddin me?

im 0% slav im from south austria, city of Innsbrug

R1a coming from the Slavic tribes is quite common. The only Proto Germanic R1a is L664 and Scando-Germanic Z284, and older rare clades that may be found there.

Y2905 is part of the Slavic clades of R1a. It doesn't mean you are Slavic. Only your earliest surviving ancestor that spread the line. That is one of thousands and thousands of contributing ancestors. Think of it like an interweaving tapestry. If you are negative downstream, basal Y2905, your likely ancestor 2000 years ago was Proto-Slavic. L260(the branch your line come from) is one of the most common West Slavic lineages. So much so its typically called West Slavic. However considering your ancestor lived before West Slavs split from Proto-Slavs, its probably just Proto-Slavic. You could have developed a Austrian sub-cluster under Y2905 as well. However, you would need a BigY test to confirm. I myself am L1029 which is Proto-Slavic but also common mostly in Central Europe(West Slavs, East Germans etc). I form an Albanian subcluster under L1029 making my most recent ancestor and his descendants Albanian. His earliest ancestor likely arrived with the Slavic tribes.

[LandserGlatze]

I need a break from this, logg off for a bit sorry

[Ayetooey]

I need a break from this, logg off for a bit sorry

This is the risk with dna testing. It can uncover truths you don't want to accept.

[Blondie]

what?

Deine Liebe ist wie Eis, ich lass sie schmelzen :/

[Scandal]

As i said, austrians are half slavic. Deal with it.

Source?

[MagnusDark]

Source?

I don't know that its 50 percent but the Slavs did have a lot of settlements in the Eastern Alps.

https://www.britannica.com/place/Austria/Early-Middle-Ages

Second phase: Slavs and Bavarii, 500–700 AD(from wiki)

During the second phase of the Migration Period (500–700 AD) the Langobardii (Lombards) made a brief appearance in the northern and eastern regions around 500 AD, but had been driven south into northern Italy by the Avars by 567. The Avars and their vassal Slavs had established themselves from the Baltic Sea to the Balkans.[17] After the Avars suffered setbacks in the east in 626, the Slavs rebelled, establishing their own territories. The Alpine Slavs (Carantanii) elected a Bavarian, Odilo, as their count and successfully resisted further Avar subjugation.

The eastern Slavic tribe of the Carantanians migrated westward along the Drava into the Eastern Alps in the wake of the expansion of their Avar overlords during the 7th century, mixed with the Celto-Romanic population, and established the realm of Carantania (later Carinthia), which covered much of eastern and central Austrian territory and was the first independent Slavic state in Europe, centred at Zollfeld. Together with the indigenous population they were able to resist further encroachment of the neighboring Franks and Avars in the southeastern Alps.

In the meantime, the Germanic tribe of the Bavarii (Bavarians), vassals of the Franks, had developed in the 5th and 6th century in the west of the country and in what is now known as Bavaria, while what is today Vorarlberg had been settled by the Alemans. In the northern alps the Bavarians had become established as a stem dukedom around 550 AD, under the rule of the Agilolfings until 788 as an eastern outpost of the Frankish empire. At that time the lands occupied by the Bavarians extended south to current South Tyrol, and east to the river Enns. The administrative centre was at Regensburg. Those groups mixed with the Rhaeto-Romanic population and pushed it up into the mountains along the Puster Valley.[18]

In the south of present-day Austria the Slavic tribes had settled in the valleys of the Drava, Mura and Save by 600 AD. The westward Slavic migration stopped further Bavarian migration eastwards by 610. Their most westward expansion was reached in 650 at the Puster Valley (Pustertal), but gradually fell back to the Enns River by 780.[17] The settlement boundary between Slavs and Bavarians roughly corresponds to a line from Freistadt through Linz, Salzburg (Lungau), to East Tyrol (Lesachtal), with Avars and Slavs occupying eastern Austria and modern day Bohemia.

Carantania, under pressure of the Avars, lost its independence to Bavaria in 745 and was divided between Bavaria (western part) and the Avar Khaganate (eastern part). The Bavarian part of it became a margraviate. During the following centuries, Bavarian settlers went down the Danube and up the Alps, a process through which Austria was to become the mostly German-speaking country it is today.

[Kyp]

I need a break from this, logg off for a bit sorry

lol

[Matxe92]

Source?

MyHeritage ethnic statistics based on country + austrian private results.

[Blondie]

This "half slavic" is only 19%:
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

and not all r1a type is slavic, for example the r1a z284 originated from proto-germanics:
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1a_Y-DNA.shtml#Germanic

Autosomaly austrians have 10-20% slavic genetic:

https://www.eupedia.com/images/content/23andMe_East_European.png

[Scandal]

MyHeritage ethnic statistics based on country + austrian private results.

Do you find their look slavic from a danish pov?

[Matxe92]

Do you find their look slavic from a danish pov?

Not slavic like a ukranian. But there is definitely something "off" about the claim of being germanic. And as i suspected, since they border slavic people, they do have alot of slavic admixture.

[Blondie]

double

[Matxe92]

This "half slavic" is only 19%:
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

and not all r1a type is slavic, for example the r1a z284 originated from proto-germanics:
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1a_Y-DNA.shtml#Germanic

Autosomaly austrians have 10-20% slavic genetic:

https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1a_Y-DNA.shtml#Germanic

Nono it's higher. Upwards of 20-50% slavic like admixture.

[Scandal]

Not slavic like a ukranian. But there is definitely something "off" about the claim of being germanic. And as i suspected, since they border slavic people, they do have alot of slavic admixture.

In my view they have a neutral look mostly, many of them look german/germanic even. I don't see slav in them, but I am hungarian. Maybe a Dane sees them differently.

[MagnusDark]

This "half slavic" is only 19%:
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

and not all r1a type is slavic, for example the r1a z284 originated from proto-germanics:
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1a_Y-DNA.shtml#Germanic

Autosomaly austrians have 10-20% slavic genetic:

https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1a_Y-DNA.shtml#Germanic

Most of their R1a is a mix of Z280/M458 though. Z284 probably not that common.

"R1a-L260 is clearly West Slavic, with a peak of frequency in Poland, the Czech Republic and Slovakia, and radiating at lower frequencies into East Germany, East Austria, Slovenia and Hungary."

[Blondie]

Nono it's higher. Upwards of 20-50% slavic like admixture.

Only in your dreams.

[Blondie]

Most of their R1a is a mix of Z280/M458 though. Z284 probably not that common.

"R1a-L260 is clearly West Slavic, with a peak of frequency in Poland, the Czech Republic and Slovakia, and radiating at lower frequencies into East Germany, East Austria, Slovenia and Hungary."

Does not matter, austrians are not half slavic, neither hungarians who have much more slavic admixture.

[Blondie]

Austrians are closest to germans, followed by hungarians and pretty far away from any slavic nation:

https://thegeneticgenealogist.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/image-thumb1.png

[Phenix]

Someone get Peterski here..

The people want him, the people need him.


This is the risk with dna testing. It can uncover truths you don't want to accept.

To be frank, men entrench in these complicated situation when they force a rigid vision of identity upon themselves, if he had a more objective view of Slavs he would not be here refusing to admit a simple fact like having a sole Proto-Slavic ancestor 2000 years ago.

[Matxe92]

Austrians are closest to germans, followed by hungarians and pretty far away from any slavic nation:

https://thegeneticgenealogist.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/image-thumb1.png

I dunno if your blind, or just stupid. But you can clearly see that they are pulled towards slavic nations, and land sort of in the middle between germans and slavic nations.

[MagnusDark]

Does not matter, austrians are not half slavic, neither hungarians who have much more slavic admixture.

I never said they were Slavic. Relax. I merely said most of their R1a is associated with Slavic tribes. That is one male ancestor. Would you call a L260 African American Slavic? I wouldn't

It doesn't change that the lineage was brought by Slavic tribes to Austria.

[Blondie]

I dunno if your blind, or just stupid. But you can clearly see that they are pulled towards slavic nations, and land sort of in the middle between germans and slavic nations.

Yes you are blind or really stupid because austrians are closest to germans. Only czechs are relative close to austrians, czechs who have tons of germanic influence, 40% of them have german origin, look their paternal origin:
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

Where are other slavs? Very far away from austrians....

[Blondie]

I never said they were Slavic. Relax. I merely said most of their R1a is associated with Slavic tribes. That is one male ancestor. Would you call a L260 African American Slavic? I wouldn't

It doesn't change that the lineage was brought by Slavic tribes to Austria.

Yes austrians are very eastern shifted germanic nation with significant slavic influence but saying they are half slavs is simple idiotism. This Matxe is a slavic nationalist with slavic identity (not danish), he hate germans, i have seen his other comment many times.

[MagnusDark]

Yes austrians are very eastern shifted germanic nation with significant slavic influence but saying they are half slavs is simple idiotism. This Matxe is a slavic nationalist with slavic identity (not danish), he hate germans, i have seen his other comment many times.

I honestly don't know the general breakdown of percentages and never commented about how much. I was only making reference to the YDNA discussion itself.

[Mortimer]

Nothing unusual. In line with the other austrian results. If you want to compare, ask @noricum, search @noricum and compare his results with yours. I think they are similar.

[Adamastor]

The only Austrians who are really closer to Germans are Tyroleans, the others are heavily Slavic admixed. I've seen even many Baltid types in Austria.

[Annihilus]

People often forget the mass rape by slavs at end of ww2.

to the victor belong the spoils

[Dick]

The only Austrians who are really closer to Germans are Tyroleans, the others are heavily Slavic admixed. I've seen even many Baltid types in Austria.

What about Northeastern Italians

[Teroth]

You are an infamous Untermensch
Deal with it.
:)


https://images.tinypic.pl/i/00986/kzez966oq79o_t.jpg (https://tinypic.pl/kzez966oq79o)

[Teroth]

People often forget the mass rape by slavs at end of ww2.

to the victor belong the spoils

You are right.
Red army soldiers were raping every german woman. Children, pregnant women, old females. From eight to eighty.
Experts have written about sexual violence commited by Stalin's army, sources tell 2-3 millions rapes

[Blondie]

The only Austrians who are really closer to Germans are Tyroleans, the others are heavily Slavic admixed. I've seen even many Baltid types in Austria.

The problem with that the Baltid type isn't slavic but finnic.... And this "heavily Slavic admixed" is only 10-20%.

[Blondie]

You are right.
Red army soldiers were raping every german woman. Children, pregnant women, old females. From eight to eighty.
Experts have written about sexual violence commited by Stalin's army, sources tell 2-3 millions rapes

By your logic poles are germans because the german army raped Poland many times in the history. Don't make me laugh, rape doesn't change the ethnic origin of local population. Mongols, turks raped russians, ukrainians between Attila (4. century) and 17. century, and their specific asian Q and C haplogroup almost doesn't exist in East Europe. East German slavic admixture came from assimilated slavic pomeranians, sorbs, poles, but western poles have such % german admixture for same reason. It doesn't mean that east germans are slavs or west poles are germans.

[Scandal]

Yes austrians are very eastern shifted germanic nation with significant slavic influence but saying they are half slavs is simple idiotism. This Matxe is a slavic nationalist with slavic identity (not danish), he hate germans, i have seen his other comment many times.

Matze is a Danish man of good character.

[Jana]

Austrians are complex mix of NW European (both Germanic and Celtic), Slavic and southern Europan (both Italic/Roman and Balkanic) mix. Simply put your typical central Europeans.

They are nowhere close to half Slavic though, maybe only in eastern parts. Closest Austrians to Germans are Upper Austrians, they are practically Bavarians and have no east euro admixture. Tyroleans plot in between Germans and North Italians due to their Rhaetish blood.

[Jana]

You are right.
Red army soldiers were raping every german woman. Children, pregnant women, old females. From eight to eighty.
Experts have written about sexual violence commited by Stalin's army, sources tell 2-3 millions rapes

Soviet WW2 admixture is close to zero in Germans/Austrians. Most these children were aborted, same in Hungary. Their Slavic admixture is old (and of west slavic variety, except in Volga Germans), just as Blondie said.

[Teroth]

By your logic poles are germans because the german army raped Poland many times in the history. Don't make me laugh, rape doesn't change the ethnic origin of local population. Mongols, turks raped russians, ukrainians between Attila (4. century) and 17. century, and their specific asian Q and C haplogroup almost doesn't exist in East Europe. East German slavic admixture came from assimilated slavic pomeranians, sorbs, poles, but western poles have such % german admixture for same reason. It doesn't mean that east germans are slavs or west poles are germans.


I don't care if Poles are german, slavic etc.

Hundred of thousands germans and austrians arent even aware they are results of the mass rapes. After many years, its still Taboo thread. The time has come to deal with it:)

[Jana]

I don't care if Poles are german, slavic etc.

Hundred of thousands germans and austrians arent even aware they are results of the mass rapes. After many years, its still Taboo thread. The time has come to deal with it:)

Fantasy.

[Blondie]

I don't care if Poles are german, slavic etc.

Hundred of thousands germans and austrians arent even aware they are results of the mass rapes. After many years, its still Taboo thread. The time has come to deal with it:)

Complete bullshit.

[Teroth]

Fantasy.

Yeah. The truth is even worse:



"They all lifted their skirts for us and lay on the bed," said the leader of one tank company. He even went on to boast that "two million of our children were born" in Germany."

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2002/may/01/news.features11

:)

[Leto]

Yeah. The truth is even worse:



"They all lifted their skirts for us and lay on the bed," said the leader of one tank company. He even went on to boast that "two million of our children were born" in Germany."

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2002/may/01/news.features11

:)
The Guardian is a radical leftist newspaper, probably the worst in the UK. Don't read it unless you are a shitlib yourself.

[Leto]

I've seen even many Baltid types in Austria.
You were probably in Vienna and it's over 40% non-Austrian. Lots of Yugoslavs, Turks, Poles, Hungarians, Slovaks, etc.

[Teroth]

Yeah, I noticed "leftists" are everwhere.

[Blondie]

Yeah. The truth is even worse:



"They all lifted their skirts for us and lay on the bed," said the leader of one tank company. He even went on to boast that "two million of our children were born" in Germany."

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2002/may/01/news.features11

:)

"theguardian" as source :rotfl::rotfl:

[Teroth]

"theguardian" as source :rotfl::rotfl:

Antony Beevor, historian and the author of many books about WW II is definitely more knowledgeable man, than TA "experts". After publishing his work, some Germans even decided to find their fathers:)

[Norb]

Yeah. The truth is even worse:



"They all lifted their skirts for us and lay on the bed," said the leader of one tank company. He even went on to boast that "two million of our children were born" in Germany."

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2002/may/01/news.features11

:)
Read this book for the true horrors
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS1woxPNl9BnBIRsWgTfCmr9r_A2YJ9G cHooFIF6sGKGpA31aGi

[michal3141]

It is

R-Y2905

anything unusual?

I am R-Y2905 too. It's a West Slavic lineage.

https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y2905/

[Matxe92]

Matze is a Danish man of good character.

Thank you kind sir :)

[Peterski]

This "half slavic" is only 19%:
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

and not all r1a type is slavic,

So you count % of Slavic based on % of R1a?

So Poles are only half Slavic (50% of R1a)?

The most Slavic would be Sorbs (65% R1a):

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorbs#Population_genetics

[noricum]

are you kiddin me?

im 0% slav im from south austria, city of Innsbrug

Innsbruck is in the west and it's spelled Innsbruck, not Innsbrug. You are 100% fake.

[Blondie]

Innsbruck is in the west and it's spelled Innsbruck, not Innsbrug. You are 100% fake.

LandserGlatze is Teutone from Germany and he was trolling :D

[Leto]

LandserGlatze is Teutone from Germany and he was trolling :D
And why did you abandon one account (Kis Kocós) and started a new one? Why can't you people be one and the same person?

[Blondie]

And why did you abandon one account (Kis Kocós) and started a new one? Why can't you people be one and the same person?

Because i got many harassing pm, reputation etc and 3000 thumbs down from one troll account at one night, and i maked a new acoount in agreement with moderators and i was in incognito between March and May, but in May an user revealed me so this is the story.

[Norb]

LandserGlatze is Teutone from Germany and he was trolling :D

I knew it was Teutone all along, from the moment the account was created

[nittionia]

Real Germanics don't get mad when they're told they aren't Germanic

[Blondie]

I knew it was Teutone all along, from the moment the account was created

Me too :D But he's cute like a teddy bear when he's trolling :)

[FountainOfSalmacis]

In Salzburg everyone looked Germanic. In Vienna most, but unsure because there’s a lot of migrants.

[Blondie]

In Salzburg everyone looked Germanic. In Vienna most, but unsure because there’s a lot of migrants.

Wien is very multicultural like Berlin.

[FountainOfSalmacis]

Wien is very multicultural like Berlin.
I noticed a good amount of Turks, which was strange. The amazing beer, scenery and schnitzels made up for that fact.

[Blondie]

I noticed a good amount of Turks, which was strange. The amazing beer, scenery and schnitzels made up for that fact.

Turks are the most civilized muslims by far including with bosniaks. I have some turkish friend in Budapest.

[FountainOfSalmacis]

Turks are the most civilized muslims by far including with bosniaks. I have some turkish friend in Budapest.
I’m sure they are, but they’ve got no business being in Central Europe.