Can I feel like a European?

[MiloshN]

Do we who are a part of E-V13 branch can feel like a real and pure Europeans?
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[GreentheViper]

This is a very Indo-European question

[Rgvgjhvv]

E-V13 or GTFO

[Bellbeaking]

Sorry mr Early EUROPEAN farmer, you are not european.

[RenaRyuguu]

anyone who respects European values can be European. Had Europe not gone to war twice might I add we would have had flying cars already.

https://www.bing.com/th?id=OIP.t5RIEl4tGceYviily4ut1wHaD6&pid=Api&rs=1

sad times

[Aspirin]

The owner of this forum is an E-V13 itself.

[TheMaestro]

80% of Europe in the case wouldnt be European, because R halo is from Asia, etc etc. Aswell E-V13 is found in Europe long time ago, when people used to throw stones and hide in caves.

[nittionia]

milos
milos
milos
if you can make ćevapčići on a summer day to share with your best buds, you are as european as much as the sun shines in madrid

[Leto]

No, son, you're a nibber.

[Adamastor]

Nibba-Egypto-Natufian detected.

I is the only European haplogroup.

[wvwvw]

Do we who are a part of E-V13 branch can feel like a real and pure Slav?
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[Daos777]

Sorry mr Early EUROPEAN farmer, you are not european.

E-V13 isn’t early European farmer. They found E-V13 in Mesolithic Spain.

E-V13 is Pelasgian.


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[Ayetooey]

E-V13 isn’t early European farmer. They found E-V13 in Mesolithic Spain.

E-V13 is Pelasgian.


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The TMRCA's of E-v13 in present Europeans date back to like 4700 YBP. That E-v13 from Mesolithic Spain is probs some extinct branch since we know for a fact modern e-v13 came post neolithic, not prior to it.

[Pater Patota]

If we compare both E-v13 and J2, you could count yourself more European.Both Early Neolithic E-v13 and G are more common in Europe than an other early Neolithics J2 and J1.

[Daos777]

The TMRCA's of E-v13 in present Europeans date back to like 4700 YBP. That E-v13 from Mesolithic Spain is probs some extinct branch since we know for a fact modern e-v13 came post neolithic, not prior to it.



Either way E-V13 was present in Europe from the Mesolithic and TMRCA was a descendant of this Mesolithic EUROPEAN ancestor and not some recent Levant Civilization.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2947100/

“Neolithic period, those related to E-V13 and I-M423 Balkan Y chromosomes are consistent with a late Mesolithic time frame. In addition, the low frequency and variance associated to I-M423 and E-V13 in Anatolia and the Middle East, support an European Mesolithic origin of these two clades. “


“The data also indicate that I-M423 and probably also E-V13 representatives would have been well established in the Balkans before the arrival of a nucleus of pioneering agriculturalists.”




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[Ayetooey]

Either way E-V13 was present in Europe from the Mesolithic and TMRCA was a descendant of this Mesolithic EUROPEAN ancestor and not some recent Levant Civilization.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2947100/

“Neolithic period, those related to E-V13 and I-M423 Balkan Y chromosomes are consistent with a late Mesolithic time frame. In addition, the low frequency and variance associated to I-M423 and E-V13 in Anatolia and the Middle East, support an European Mesolithic origin of these two clades. “


“The data also indicate that I-M423 and probably also E-V13 representatives would have been well established in the Balkans before the arrival of a nucleus of pioneering agriculturalists.”




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That study is 10 years old lol; a lot of discoveries have taken place since then. Every reliable study, website etc will repeat the fact that modern E-v13 likely came in the neolithic. That article also repeats the now disproven theory that I2 in the balkans is native when we know it came from the slavs further north 1500 years ago.

Modern E-v13 carriers descent from a bronze age European man with the CTS5856 mutation who lived around 4100 years ago; the TMRCA on the YFULL tree goes as far back as 4800 ybp. You've got no direct paternal connection to Mesolithic europeans, your line was still in west asia that far back. If e-v13 carriers in Europe today descended from that mesolithic european sample, then the TMRCA's would go that far back, but they don't.

The only dudes here who descend directly from mesolithic, and before that paleolithic Europeans are us I1/I2 men. :cool:

[Dick]

That study is 10 years old lol; a lot of discoveries have taken place since then. Every reliable study, website etc will repeat the fact that modern E-v13 came in the neolithic. That article also repeats the now disproven theory that I2 in the balkans is native when we know it came from the slavs further north 1500 years ago.

Modern E-v13 carriers descent from a bronze age European man with the CTS5856 mutation who lived around 4100 years ago; you've got no direct paternal connection to Mesolithic europeans, your line was still in west asia that far back.

The only dudes here who descend directly from mesolithic, and before that paleolithic Europeans are us I1/I2 men. :cool:

We are extremely rare. What does yours say?


https://i.imgur.com/P5xr4S4.png

[Ayetooey]

We are extremely rare. What does yours say?


https://i.imgur.com/P5xr4S4.png

How is yours so rare? Is it because they've given you basal I1 instead of a subclade? I would expect I1 to be one of the most common ones other than r1b clades.

Mine is pretty common oddly enough; guess a lot of slavz have tested.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/491704559228551192/608104329462677504/unknown.png

[Dick]

How is yours so rare? Is it because they've given you basal I1 instead of a subclade?


Lmao probably

[Coastal Elite]

Of course you should feel European and don't let some two-bit, haplogroup partisan tell you any different. E-V13 needs better PR.

[Daos777]

I2 is native to the Balkans. Not this again lmao. The I haplogroup came first into the Balkans and spread to the rest of Europe from there. The Starcevo culture was pred I2. Cucuteni pred I2. Are you telling me all those pred I2 Balkan cultures moved north to form the Slavs and didn’t contribute at all to the paleo-Balkan populations?

And most modern geneticists now believe E-V13 to be a Mesolithic European Haplogroup. Post studies that disproved this?

This makes sense why it’s almost non existent in the near east/Levant where it supposedly came from while J and G are not lacking in those regions.


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[Daos777]

That study is 10 years old lol; a lot of discoveries have taken place since then. Every reliable study, website etc will repeat the fact that modern E-v13 likely came in the neolithic. That article also repeats the now disproven theory that I2 in the balkans is native when we know it came from the slavs further north 1500 years ago.

Modern E-v13 carriers descent from a bronze age European man with the CTS5856 mutation who lived around 4100 years ago; the TMRCA on the YFULL tree goes as far back as 4800 ybp. You've got no direct paternal connection to Mesolithic europeans, your line was still in west asia that far back. If e-v13 carriers in Europe today descended from that mesolithic european sample, then the TMRCA's would go that far back, but they don't.

The only dudes here who descend directly from mesolithic, and before that paleolithic Europeans are us I1/I2 men. :cool:





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[dududud]

Yes my brother

[MiloshN]

upp :)

[Ujku]

anyone who respects European values can be European. Had Europe not gone to war twice might I add we would have had flying cars already.

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sad times

Yeahh...NO .

You must be 100% European by DNA to be European .

[PaleoEuropean]

Do we who are a part of E-V13 branch can feel like a real and pure Europeans?
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If you aren't European nobody from Haplogroup, R, G, N or anything but I is European xD

[Kyp]

If R1a/R1b carriers can. You can too.

[Leto]

If R1a/R1b carriers can. You can too.
Except that the oldest R samples were found in Eastern Europe. I believe supposedly the oldest R1a samples were found in Eastern Ukraine, in the Volga region and around Finland/Karelia.

[Ayetooey]

Except that the oldest R samples were found in Eastern Europe. I believe supposedly the oldest R1a samples were found in Eastern Ukraine, in the Volga region and around Finland/Karelia.

Oldest basal R comes from Atlai. Oldest R1a (so far) comes from east Ukraine.

[PaleoEuropean]

Except that the oldest R samples were found in Eastern Europe. I believe supposedly the oldest R1a samples were found in Eastern Ukraine, in the Volga region and around Finland/Karelia.

That still doesn't make it native, haplogroup R is Asiatic not European

[Ayetooey]

That still doesn't make it native, haplogroup R is Asiatic not European

Haplogroup R is indeed from Asia, the oldest Basal R comes from the Mal'ta archeological site in deep siberia and was heavily mongoloid; the specific homeland of the R1a subclade however is debatable. Diversity suggests central asia, though the oldest ADna sample found is from east Ukraine. However; R1a split off around 25 thousand BC where as the oldest sample is Ukraine only dates back to 8690 BC so there's an extremely significant gap right there. I find it incredibly unlikely R1a developed within Europe.