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J. Ketch
08-18-2019, 08:59 AM
Based on everything you know.

Eg:

1000 AD
1 AD
1000 BC
2000 BC

etc

J. Ketch
08-18-2019, 04:01 PM
bttt

ph2ter
08-18-2019, 06:51 PM
Firstly, we should define ethnicities for every period.

I propose:
2000 BCE: Bell Beakers, Corded Ware, Baden, Yamna, Proto-Greeks, Iberians, Pelasgians...
1000 BCE: Celts, Balto-Slavs, Nordics-Germanics, Britons, Scythians, Illyrians, Thracians, Greeks, Italics, Iberians (Lusitanians, Celtiberians, Aquitanians, Tartessians)
1 AD: Isles Celts, Gauls, CE Celts (Boii, Taurisci), Balkan Celts (Skordisci...), Balto-Slavs, Germanics, Greeks, Romans, Iberians, Aquitanians, Illyrians, Thracians, Dacians, Finnics
1000 AD: Greeks, Latini, Iberians, Anglo-Saxons, Longobards, Franks, East Germanics, Slavs, Balts, Finnics

then we can make calculators.

loschbour_man
08-18-2019, 07:03 PM
Tolan neolithic and bronze age caluclators on admixturestudio are aimed for this
also this:
https://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/K36expe3.htm

Voskos
08-18-2019, 07:10 PM
According to ancestrydna and 23andme (averaged) , 1/3 italian, 1/3 Balkan, 1/3 West Asian and levantine. Roughly.

WeirdLookingFellow
08-18-2019, 07:15 PM
1000 AD: RISE569 somehow. Slavo-Vlacho-Cuman. Some Turan guy implants his genes (or did even longer ago during Yamnaya, what do I know) and fades out.
1 AD: Dacian Übermensch /s Some Thraco-Sarmato-Daco-Celtic mix
1000 BC : Some Proto-Celto-Scytho-Farmer in the Balkans
2000 BC : Yamnaya, post-LBK, whatever kind of farmer that BR2 guy was because I'm closest to him

Bakha
08-18-2019, 07:29 PM
Hun Tian Shyan 100%

Dawnbringer
08-18-2019, 07:53 PM
2000 BCE: Bell Beaker, Unetice, Corded Ware

1000 BCE: Urnfield, Atlantic Bronze Age

1 AD: Late La-Tène, Przework, Gaels

1000 AD: Franconians, Swabians, Polanes, Gaels

J. Ketch
08-19-2019, 04:08 AM
Firstly, we should define ethnicities for every period.

I propose:
2000 BCE: Bell Beakers, Corded Ware, Baden, Yamna, Proto-Greeks, Iberians, Pelasgians...
1000 BCE: Celts, Balto-Slavs, Nordics-Germanics, Britons, Scythians, Illyrians, Thracians, Greeks, Italics, Iberians (Lusitanians, Celtiberians, Aquitanians, Tartessians)
1 AD: Isles Celts, Gauls, CE Celts (Boii, Taurisci), Balkan Celts (Skordisci...), Balto-Slavs, Germanics, Greeks, Romans, Iberians, Aquitanians, Illyrians, Thracians, Dacians, Finnics
1000 AD: Greeks, Latini, Iberians, Anglo-Saxons, Longobards, Franks, East Germanics, Slavs, Balts, Finnics

then we can make calculators.
People have done enough calculators, it's time to draw some conclusions. Sometimes I think people here are bots that just exist to run (or ask for) calculators.

An estimate of my ancestry

1500 AD: 48-50% English, 48-50% Irish, 0-2% Welsh
1000 AD: 47-49% English, 48-50% Irish, 1-2% Welsh, 1-2% Norman/Northern French
1 AD: c. 28% Briton, c. 40% Gael, c.20% Angle/Saxon, 7-8% Dane/Norse, 2-3% Northern Gaul, c. 1% Roman/Med
1200 BC: c. 15% British BA, c. 30% Irish BA, 27-28% proto-Germanic, 22-23% proto-Celtic/Gaulish, c. 1% Med

Bunalim
08-19-2019, 07:16 AM
What would be the best way to find this out?

loschbour_man
08-19-2019, 07:46 AM
1000 AD: RISE569 somehow. Slavo-Vlacho-Cuman. Some Turan guy implants his genes (or did even longer ago during Yamnaya, what do I know) and fades out.
1 AD: Dacian Übermensch /s Some Thraco-Sarmato-Daco-Celtic mix
1000 BC : Some Proto-Celto-Scytho-Farmer in the Balkans
2000 BC : Yamnaya, post-LBK, whatever kind of farmer that BR2 guy was because I'm closest to him

BR2 is from 1110-1270 BC, late bronze age warrior, he seems to be related to some kind of Celts.

Roy
08-19-2019, 07:51 AM
What would be the best way to find this out?

Checking archeological findings?

loschbour_man
08-19-2019, 07:59 AM
What would be the best way to find this out?

try this stuff


Tolan neolithic and bronze age caluclators on admixturestudio are aimed for this
also this:
https://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/K36expe3.htm

J. Ketch
08-19-2019, 09:01 AM
try this stuff
G25 is better for estimating that.


My Neolithic/EBA era results from various calculators

[1] "distance%=5.8442"

Creoda_scaled

Yamnaya_Samara,48.8
Barcin_N,36.4
WHG,14.8

[1] "distance%=4.551"

Creoda_scaled

Poltavka,49.6
Ukraine_N_o,36
WHG,14.4

[1] "distance%=3.5125"

Creoda_scaled

Steppe,51.6
Anatolian_Farmer,32.8
Atlantic_HG,13.8
Baltic_HG,1.8

[1] "distance%=3.5551"

EURASIAN-STEPPE,52.6
ANATOLIA-EEF,38
EUROPE-WHG,8.4
ATLAS,1

[1] "distance%=5.1296"

STEPPE,50.2
EEF,36
WHG,13.8

[1] "distance%=3.2598"

Creoda_scaled

Corded_Ware_DEU,68.6
FRA_MN,30
WHG,1.4

[1] "distance%=3.1227"

Creoda_scaled

Corded_Ware_DEU,67
Scotland_N,32.2
WHG,0.8

[1] "distance%=3.1612"

Creoda_scaled

Beaker_The_Netherlands,82.8
Scotland_N,17.2

[1] "distance%=3.4683"

Creoda_scaled

Beaker_The_Netherlands,85.6
Barcin_N,12.6
WHG,1.8

When it comes to the post Bronze Age era, calculators can't tell the whole story, and some knowledge and interpretation is required.

ph2ter
08-19-2019, 10:35 AM
My estimation:

4000 BC
40% Eurasian Steppe
40% European Farmers
20% Baltic Hunters

500 BC
25% Hungary - Celtic, Illyrian
25% Ukraine, Belarus - Balto-Slavic
25% Poland, Baltic - Balto-Slavic
10% Croatia, Balkan - Illyrian
10% Czechia - Celtic
5% Germany, Scando - Germanic

1 AD
45% Ukraine, Belarus - Balto-Slavic
25% Poland, Baltic - Balto-Slavic
15% Croatia, Hungary, Balkan - Illyrian, Celtic
10% Czechia - Celtic
5% Germany - Germanic

900 AD
45% Hungary - Slavic
30% Croatia - Slavic
15% Austria - German
10% Slovenia - Slavic, German

andre
08-19-2019, 10:50 AM
G25 is better for estimating that.


My Neolithic/EBA era results from various calculators

[1] "distance%=5.8442"

Creoda_scaled

Yamnaya_Samara,48.8
Barcin_N,36.4
WHG,14.8

[1] "distance%=4.551"

Creoda_scaled

Poltavka,49.6
Ukraine_N_o,36
WHG,14.4

[1] "distance%=3.5125"

Creoda_scaled

Steppe,51.6
Anatolian_Farmer,32.8
Atlantic_HG,13.8
Baltic_HG,1.8

[1] "distance%=3.5551"

EURASIAN-STEPPE,52.6
ANATOLIA-EEF,38
EUROPE-WHG,8.4
ATLAS,1

[1] "distance%=5.1296"

STEPPE,50.2
EEF,36
WHG,13.8

[1] "distance%=3.2598"

Creoda_scaled

Corded_Ware_DEU,68.6
FRA_MN,30
WHG,1.4

[1] "distance%=3.1227"

Creoda_scaled

Corded_Ware_DEU,67
Scotland_N,32.2
WHG,0.8

[1] "distance%=3.1612"

Creoda_scaled

Beaker_The_Netherlands,82.8
Scotland_N,17.2

[1] "distance%=3.4683"

Creoda_scaled

Beaker_The_Netherlands,85.6
Barcin_N,12.6
WHG,1.8

When it comes to the post Bronze Age era, calculators can't tell the whole story, and some knowledge and interpretation is required.
Could you run this for me? (I’m Mostly Romanian) Andrei_scaled,0.122929,0.137096,0.039598,0.005168, 0.028313,-0.000558,0.008695,0.004846,-0.004295,0.00656,-0.001137,-0.002398,0.00669,0.018992,-0.018594,-0.011933,-0.011474,0.010008,0.00817,-0.012881,-0.00574,-0.000124,0.002958,-0.002048,-0.001916

loschbour_man
08-19-2019, 11:01 AM
When it comes to the post Bronze Age era, calculators can't tell the whole story, and some knowledge and interpretation is required.

what if somebody made a post bronze age diydodecad calcualtor? with components like roman, greek, scythian, gothic, etc

Bunalim
08-19-2019, 11:09 AM
I'll use MyTrueAncestry as a reference. I'll only list those who I share identified DNA segments with.

Father;
2000BC - Minoan
1875 BC - Hittite Anatolia
1650 BC - Canaanite
1500 BC - Bronze Age Armenia
1350 BC - Mycenaean
1200 BC - Ahskelon Canaanite
165 BC - Hellenic Seleucid Anatolia
250 AD - Roman Era Citizen / Lebanon
250 AD - Egyptian Gladiator York
670 AD - Hellenic Roman / Cretan
670 AD - Hellenic Roman / Dodecanese

Mother;
2450 BC - Corded Ware Denmark
1880 BC - Ireland Copper Age
1050 BC - Bronze Age Germany
70 BC - Celtic Briton
0 AD - Celtic Briton
250 AD - Nordic-Celtic Gladiator York
250 AD - Germano-Celtic Gladiator York
250 AD - Briton Gladiator York
250 AD - Celtic Gladiator York
375 AD - Vandal Chieftain
935 AD - Viking Norse Iceland
935 AD - Viking Gaelic Mix Iceland
1100 AD - Viking Sweden
1683 AD - St Marys Coffin Maryland

J. Ketch
08-19-2019, 11:14 AM
what if somebody made a post bronze age diydodecad calcualtor? with components like roman, greek, scythian, gothic, etc
They might work for some people but most post Bronze Age calculators thus far are not accurate for me, not at detecting the fine differences between NW Europeans.

J. Ketch
08-19-2019, 11:22 AM
Could you run this for me? (I’m Mostly Romanian) Andrei_scaled,0.122929,0.137096,0.039598,0.005168, 0.028313,-0.000558,0.008695,0.004846,-0.004295,0.00656,-0.001137,-0.002398,0.00669,0.018992,-0.018594,-0.011933,-0.011474,0.010008,0.00817,-0.012881,-0.00574,-0.000124,0.002958,-0.002048,-0.001916


[1] "distance%=5.5852"

Andrei_scaled

Barcin_N,52.4
Yamnaya_Samara,41.4
WHG,5.6
Han,0.6

Bunalim
08-19-2019, 11:25 AM
[1] "distance%=5.5852"

Andrei_scaled

Barcin_N,52.4
Yamnaya_Samara,41.4
WHG,5.6
Han,0.6

Sorry to be annoying but could you please do me too?

NW_scaled,0.113823,0.144205,0.006788,-0.014212,0.003693,0.009761,0.008695,-0.003,-0.02168,-0.006014,0.000325,0.008542,-0.020069,-0.000413,0.007465,-0.003845,-0.010561,0.007221,-0.000503,0.000125,0.001872,-0.001607,0.001725,0.008796,0.002754

J. Ketch
08-19-2019, 11:30 AM
Sorry to be annoying but could you please do me too?

NW_scaled,0.113823,0.144205,0.006788,-0.014212,0.003693,0.009761,0.008695,-0.003,-0.02168,-0.006014,0.000325,0.008542,-0.020069,-0.000413,0.007465,-0.003845,-0.010561,0.007221,-0.000503,0.000125,0.001872,-0.001607,0.001725,0.008796,0.002754


[1] "distance%=3.6921"

NW_scaled

Barcin_N,36.4
Yamnaya_Samara,34.2
Armenia_EBA,27.2
WHG,1.6
Ethiopia_4500BP,0.6

Fiko0
08-19-2019, 11:32 AM
Hard to tell. Caucasus was a bridge and home for many nations. Based on history i could be a Maykop, Scythian, Yamna, Pontic Greek, Alan, Hun or even Kipchak.

Culturally we (Ahiska / Atabeg Turks) are the closest to Kipchak Turks. Our language/dialect is Kipchak.

Jana
08-19-2019, 11:34 AM
My genetic mix appeared only in middle age, so I can't go further than that. Before medieval in Dalmatia lived completely different population and we are mostly invaders from north of Carpathian Zone mixed with those natives.

Pedro Ruben
08-19-2019, 12:03 PM
according MyTrueAncestry

1600 BC Illyrian
1290 BC Bronze Age Spain Cogotas
1200 BC Illyrian
659 BC Ancyent Egyptian
450 BC Thracian
270 BC Scythian
270 BC Carthaginian
250 AD Gallo-Roman
300 AD Roman Hispania
500 AD Early Medieval Iberia Granada
550 AD Visigoth
590 AD Gaul
1100 AD Medieval Iberia Valencia
1200 AD Medieval Iberia Valencia
1550 AD Morisco Andalusia Iberia

J. Ketch
08-19-2019, 12:13 PM
according MyTrueAncestry

1600 BC Illyrian
1290 BC Bronze Age Spain Cogotas
1200 BC Illyrian
659 BC Ancyent Egyptian
450 BC Thracian
270 BC Scythian
270 BC Carthaginian
250 AD Gallo-Roman
300 AD Roman Hispania
500 AD Early Medieval Iberia Granada
550 AD Visigoth
590 AD Gaul
1100 AD Medieval Iberia Valencia
1200 AD Medieval Iberia Valencia
1550 AD Morisco Andalusia Iberia
You don't actually think that's accurate do you?

nittionia
08-19-2019, 12:19 PM
Pure ssa up until the mid 1980’s, then pure Swedish onward


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Pedro Ruben
08-19-2019, 12:20 PM
You don't actually think that's accurate do you?

As for chronology, in my opinion, i don't think so... but I do have components of these peoples, or others who are ethnically/dna similar to them.

Sora
08-19-2019, 12:42 PM
As far as I know, my family didn't mix with other ethnicities since late 1800s. Idk if it's happened before 'cause I just know 'till the late 1800s thanks to "e-devlet"

But my mother's maternal side's village was a Mesketian village and he was probably one of them. If that theory is true, then I have 1/8 Meskhetian Turk ancestry. My mother's paternal side is native to Tokat.

My father's paternal side came to Tokat, Centraleast Turkey from Kürtün district of Gümüşhane, Northeastern Turkey approximately 200 years ago according to my father. And Kürtün people have the highest Mongoloid admixture in that region. And a user here told me Kürtün is mainly Chepni(an Oghuz Turkic clan) district. So I'm 1/4 Chepni which comes from my father's paternal side, but I'm not sure. My father's maternal side is native to Tokat.

If I had DNA test; I'd probably come out as...

"66%-76% West Asian
15%-20% European
9%-12% Mongoloid
0%-2% South Asian or Northwest African"

Kyp
08-19-2019, 01:09 PM
delete

andre
08-19-2019, 02:23 PM
This make sense for eastern european/balkanic?
-WHG
-Barcin (Neolithic farmers)
-Baltic HG
- Yamnaya (for indo-europeans invaders)
-Han (for Mongoloid dna)

sample": "Custom:Andrei_scaled",
"fit": 4.3228,
"Anatolia_Barcin_N": 54.17,
"Yamnaya_RUS_Samara": 37.5,
"Baltic_LVA_HG": 7.5,
"Han": 0.83,
"WHG": 0,

Gwydion
08-19-2019, 03:01 PM
Going by paternal lineage/Y-DNA and my admittedly limited knowledge:

--Yamnaya
--Bell Beaker
--Tumulus/Urnfield Proto-Celts ?
--Jastorf/Harpstedt-Nienburg Proto-Germanics
--Anglo-Saxon or Norse (likely the latter)
--Some Central/Northern British Isles population, likely Northern English but also possibly Scottish or Irish until I can prove it definitively
--Yankee, in particular the New York/New Jersey populations descending primarily from New England Puritans (Southern/Eastern English), Dutch from New Amsterdam, and to a lesser extent Quakers (Northern English/English Midlands.)
--And then with my father the said Yankee population mixing with an Irish-German woman, namely my mother

In general though you could say the various historic populations of Northwest Europe with a particular emphasis on Britain and Ireland. The only exception would seem to be a minor Balto-Slavic-Finnic and Swedish element with my mother's Prussian ancestry.

J. Ketch
08-19-2019, 03:28 PM
Going by paternal lineage/Y-DNA and my admittedly limited knowledge:

--Yamnaya
--Bell Beaker
--Tumulus/Urnfield Proto-Celts ?
--Jastorf/Harpstedt-Nienburg Proto-Germanics
--Anglo-Saxon or Norse (likely the latter)
--Some Central/Northern British Isles population, likely Northern English but also possibly Scottish or Irish until I can prove it definitively
--Yankee, in particular the New York/New Jersey populations descending primarily from New England Puritans (Southern/Eastern English), Dutch from New Amsterdam, and to a lesser extent Quakers (Northern English/English Midlands.)
--And then with my father the said Yankee population mixing with an Irish-German woman, namely my mother

In general though you could say the various historic populations of Northwest Europe with a particular emphasis on Britain and Ireland. The only exception would seem to be a minor Balto-Slavic-Finnic and Swedish element with my mother's Prussian ancestry.
What would you estimate/guess is your ancestral breakdown (%) from 2000 years ago?

Gwydion
08-19-2019, 04:45 PM
What would you estimate/guess is your ancestral breakdown (%) from 2000 years ago?

If I were just estimating wherever my paternal lineage was from, some tribal group from N. Germany and Scandinavia. I guess most of these people would be purely Germanic or partly Celtic the more south you go.

If I take all my ancestors...something like 40-50% would either be tribes ancestral to the Anglo-Saxons or Celtic Britons, 20-30% would be Gaels, and 20-30% would be continental Germanic tribes and in particular Franks and Saxons. As mentioned a small percentage might have been some sort of Balto-Finnic-Slavs via Eastern Prussian ancestry, though this Prussian ancestry makes up the majority of my German ancestry and so could potentially be higher depending on how much my Prussian ancestors mixed with Slavs, Old Prussians, etc.

Dick
08-20-2019, 06:11 AM
My genetic mix appeared only in middle age, so I can't go further than that. Before medieval in Dalmatia lived completely different population and we are mostly invaders from north of Carpathian Zone mixed with those natives.

That would be for most of us from western Balkans.

Coastal Elite
08-21-2019, 12:43 AM
This thread is a cool idea but I need a week or so to figure it out. I have to make some phone calls to some of my dawgs and do some deep personal introspection. MyTrueAnecstry and other ancient calculators can't be trusted because they midpoint me and that's bogus. This exercise requires some historical knowledge. At the end of the day, I'm almost 50% Early Neo and 50% Yamnaya/Steepe with very little WHG. I question the necessity of WHG. Anyway, I need to return to this later.

Darth Whatsit
08-21-2019, 10:46 AM
How on Earth do you get all this clear data? The Mytrueancestry report is interesting (mentions corded ware in 2500bc, bell beaker in 2000bc, germanic/britain 1000bc, celt/britain/scythian around 1ad, frank/hungary 500ad, a mixture of vandals/saxons/vikings about 1000ad, and then lists my closest ancient ancestors as franks/visigoths/longobards).

After which it says that my closest modern populations would be:

1. Welsh (5.060)
2. West_German (6.575)
3. Southwest_English (7.082)
4. North_Dutch (8.619)

:eek:

J. Ketch
08-21-2019, 11:01 AM
How on Earth do you get all this clear data? The Mytrueancestry report is interesting (mentions corded ware in 2500bc, bell beaker in 2000bc, germanic/britain 1000bc, celt/britain/scythian around 1ad, frank/hungary 500ad, a mixture of vandals/saxons/vikings about 1000ad, and then lists my closest ancient ancestors as franks/visigoths/longobards).

After which it says that my closest modern populations would be:

1. Welsh (5.060)
2. West_German (6.575)
3. Southwest_English (7.082)
4. North_Dutch (8.619)

:eek:
Ignore MyTrueAncestry. If you're English you should know roughly what the main ancestral components of English people are. They're not descended from Vandals, Visigoths, Longobards or Scythians.

Darth Whatsit
08-21-2019, 11:14 AM
Ignore MyTrueAncestry. If you're English you should know roughly what the main ancestral components of English people are. They're not descended from Vandals, Visigoths, Longobards or Scythians.

The Longobards are related though, in that my Ancestry DNA says 6% Swedish (and the Longobards are descended from the same stock). My geneaology research has traced my Paternal and Maternal lines back solidly to Eastern England in the 1500s, with a possible hint of Dutch, which leaves the situation a little open. Their "closest modern populations" is very much inline with such.

J. Ketch
08-21-2019, 11:33 AM
The Longobards are related though, in that my Ancestry DNA says 6% Swedish (and the Longobards are descended from the same stock). My geneaology research has traced my Paternal and Maternal lines back solidly to Eastern England in the 1500s, with a possible hint of Dutch, which leaves the situation a little open. Their "closest modern populations" is very much inline with such.
If you're interested in being able to compare your dna to ancient and modern populations and get a better understanding I would encourage you to buy Global25 coordinates. That's how I've come to a lot of my conclusions.

Darth Whatsit
08-21-2019, 11:36 AM
If you're interested in being able to compare your dna to ancient and modern populations and get a better understanding I would encourage you to buy Global25 coordinates. That's how I've come to a lot of my conclusions.

What is Global25, and how do I go about doing that?

J. Ketch
08-21-2019, 12:01 PM
What is Global25, and how do I go about doing that?
https://bga101.blogspot.com/2017/10/genetic-ancestry-online-store-to-be.html

It's a database of thousands of samples from ancient and modern populations (that are always being updated), with which you can compare yourself, or any other sample, in nMonte calculators or in a PCA (genetic map).

Darth Whatsit
08-21-2019, 12:03 PM
Aha! Thank you, I shall go check it out.

andre
08-22-2019, 02:44 PM
My estimation:

4000 BC
40% Eurasian Steppe
40% European Farmers
20% Baltic Hunters

500 BC
25% Hungary - Celtic, Illyrian
25% Ukraine, Belarus - Balto-Slavic
25% Poland, Baltic - Balto-Slavic
10% Croatia, Balkan - Illyrian
10% Czechia - Celtic
5% Germany, Scando - Germanic

1 AD
45% Ukraine, Belarus - Balto-Slavic
25% Poland, Baltic - Balto-Slavic
15% Croatia, Hungary, Balkan - Illyrian, Celtic
10% Czechia - Celtic
5% Germany - Germanic

900 AD
45% Hungary - Slavic
30% Croatia - Slavic
15% Austria - German
10% Slovenia - Slavic, German

Why you don’t consider the scythian ancestry?

Pater Patota
08-23-2019, 08:13 AM
According to mytrueancestry.com:

Copper Age Iran 4500 BC
Copper Age Iran 3800 BC
Copper Age Anatolia 3800 BC
Bronze Age Armenia 1500 BC
Bronze Age Armenia 1450 BC
Iron Age Kurdistan 900 BC
Hellenic Seleucid Anatolia 165 BC
Alans 250 AD
Hellenic Dodecanese 670 AD
Hellenic Calabria 670 AD

So, it seems i'm kind of Iranian+Anatolian+Greek

J. Ketch
08-23-2019, 08:31 AM
I didn't want people to post their mytrueancestry lists, I wanted them to estimate their ancestral make-up themselves, if you have any internal thought processes.

ph2ter
08-23-2019, 08:42 AM
Why you don’t consider the scythian ancestry?

Because:
- for that time period (500 BC) we don't have any Slavic or proto-Slavic sample
- those Scythians which I get in G25 runs are mainly Slavic or Thracian like, they are not Indo-Iranian as true Scythians have been

XenophobicPrussian
08-25-2019, 02:48 AM
25,000 BC = 71% proto-WHG/Villabruna cluster/paleo Euro, 24.5% Basal Eurasian/proto-MENA, 4.5% proto-Mongoloid
16,000 BC = 57.5% WHG/Villabruna cluster, 24.5% Basal Eurasian/proto-MENA, 18% ANE
6,000 BC = 36% Anatolian farmer, 25% WHG, 16% CHG, 23% ANE
4,000 BC = 36% Anatolian farmer, 15.5% Ukrainian HG, 15.5% EHG, 25% North Caucasus Progress_Eneolithic, 4% WHG, 4% Baltic HG(via Globular Amphora)
3,000 BC = 65% Sredny Stog outlier/proto-Corded Ware, 30% Globular Amphora farmer(Yamnaya can fuck off, irrelevant to populations west of the Donets river), 5% various HG
2,000 BC = 40% Bell Beaker, 58% Corded Ware, 2% various HG

1 AD = 42% Germanic, 56% Balto-Slav(keep in mind my German side is from NE Germany, depends how Germanic people from Mecklenburg are), 2% mainland Celt

1000 AD = 50% German(might be some British Isles too), 37.5% Polish, 12.5% Kashubian(or just 50% German, 50% Polish)

Promise I didn't use any calcs lol, only assuming here.

Jingle Bell
01-16-2023, 01:45 AM
Thats a very interesting thread hehe

1000 AD:
45% Galician and Portuguese 5% Jew 40% West African 7% Bantu & 3% Native American

1 AD:
35% Gallaeci, Lusitan & Tartesso? 10% Roman 5% Berber 47% SSA & 3% Native Ame

1000 BC:
25% Iberian BA & minor Italic 15% Hallsttat/Unrfield 5% Levant BA & 5% NA BA, the rest SSA and Native

2000 BC:
15% Iberian CA 25% Bell Beaker Central Europe 10% MENA CA?