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vbnetkhio
08-23-2019, 04:11 PM
Post South Slavic, Romanian, Albanian, Greek, Hungarian, Austrian.. k15,k13,k36, results, oracles, k15 pca, k36 similarity map..
k15 pca, posted by ***** on eupedia forum
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Cumansky
08-23-2019, 04:22 PM
Montenegrin Podgorica
Eurogenes K13: 90634
2 southern Croats
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?298607-2-southern-Croat-results
vbnetkhio
08-23-2019, 04:29 PM
kit numbers publicly posted on forums
Slovenian M997608
Bosnian Serb A119993
SerbBosnia H614933
SerbEasternCroatia KC3517206
macedonians:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?264994-Macedonian-Gedmatch-kits-and-their-placement-on-the-map
Croatian K15 PCA (all regions) with haplogroups
http://imgur.com/a/evWNy55
PAGANE
08-23-2019, 04:37 PM
Eurogenes K13 с Oracles
# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 23.55
2 Baltic 23.00
3 East_Med 18.26
4 West_Asian 15.61
5 West_Med 13.20
6 Red_Sea 4.30
7 South_Asian 1.00
Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.
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Least-squares method.
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Romanian @ 6.491035
2 Bulgarian @ 7.111093
3 Serbian @ 9.387380
4 Greek_Thessaly @ 13.620872
5 Moldavian @ 14.840810
6 Hungarian @ 17.233524
7 Croatian @ 18.238087
8 Italian_Abruzzo @ 18.565077
9 Tuscan @ 19.530773
10 Central_Greek @ 19.886059
11 Austrian @ 20.362139
12 North_Italian @ 20.657179
13 East_Sicilian @ 21.354046
14 West_Sicilian @ 21.616997
15 East_German @ 22.761061
16 Ashkenazi @ 23.677912
17 West_German @ 23.900202
18 French @ 24.737877
19 South_Italian @ 24.828299
20 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 24.905588
Eurogenes K15 с Oracles
# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 16.38
2 West_Asian 15.57
3 Atlantic 14.69
4 East_Med 14.65
5 Baltic 14.15
6 Eastern_Euro 9.70
7 West_Med 9.31
8 Red_Sea 4.58
Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.
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Least-squares method.
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Romanian @ 6.154238
2 Bulgarian @ 7.812543
3 Serbian @ 9.495888
4 Greek_Thessaly @ 13.436535
5 Moldavian @ 14.129521
6 Greek @ 14.935053
7 Hungarian @ 16.548820
8 Austrian @ 16.579821
9 Croatian @ 16.649786
10 Italian_Abruzzo @ 17.305807
11 Tuscan @ 17.823587
12 Ashkenazi @ 18.136032
13 Central_Greek @ 18.605879
14 East_Sicilian @ 19.650732
15 North_Italian @ 19.843571
16 West_Sicilian @ 20.805676
17 East_German @ 21.105211
18 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 22.750816
19 South_Italian @ 23.003790
20 French @ 23.245302
Eurogenes K36
Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 2.93 Pct
Armenian 8.59 Pct
Basque 0.59 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 3.10 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 8.90 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 9.86 Pct
East_Med 5.23 Pct
Eastern_Euro 8.36 Pct
Fennoscandian 3.92 Pct
French 6.66 Pct
Iberian 6.07 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 11.93 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 4.09 Pct
North_African -
North_Atlantic 3.28 Pct
North_Caucasian 6.14 Pct
North_Sea 5.09 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian 1.06 Pct
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 3.32 Pct
West_Med 0.89 Pct
My K15 results (Bosnian Serb)
Population
North_Sea 19.65 Pct
Atlantic 14.11 Pct
Baltic 21.42 Pct
Eastern_Euro 12.87 Pct
West_Med 13.32 Pct
West_Asian 5.83 Pct
East_Med 11.83 Pct
Red_Sea 0.17 Pct
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian 0.82 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
K13
Population
North_Atlantic 26.17 Pct
Baltic 32.22 Pct
West_Med 16.81 Pct
West_Asian 7.66 Pct
East_Med 14.24 Pct
Red_Sea 0.66 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 2.06 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.17 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
Ayetooey
08-23-2019, 04:39 PM
.........
What region of Bulgaria are you from, south or east I'm guessing?
vbnetkhio
08-23-2019, 04:42 PM
Croatian K15 PCA (all regions) with haplogroups
http://imgur.com/a/evWNy55
what admixture do the most eastern ones have? Finno-Ugric? or Caucasus?
PAGANE
08-23-2019, 04:44 PM
What region of Bulgaria are you from, south or east I'm guessing?
Varna
vbnetkhio
08-23-2019, 05:22 PM
gen 3553 coordinates in excel plot.
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PAGANE
08-23-2019, 06:37 PM
Eurogenes K13- my brother
Population Percent
1 Baltic 21.76
2 North_Atlantic 20.20
3 East_Med 18.52
4 West_Asian 17.16
5 West_Med 15.67
6 Red_Sea 4.31
7 South_Asian 1.43
Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.
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Least-squares method.
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Bulgarian @ 7.125928
2 Romanian @ 8.209762
3 Greek_Thessaly @ 11.458365
4 Serbian @ 12.359621
5 Italian_Abruzzo @ 16.854259
6 Moldavian @ 16.936747
7 Central_Greek @ 17.182247
8 East_Sicilian @ 18.844936
9 Tuscan @ 18.999216
10 West_Sicilian @ 19.935465
11 Hungarian @ 20.764130
12 Croatian @ 20.804935
13 North_Italian @ 20.976654
14 Ashkenazi @ 21.850128
15 South_Italian @ 22.297426
16 Austrian @ 23.860275
17 East_German @ 26.131971
18 West_German @ 27.328560
19 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 27.436981
20 French @ 27.444061
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Croatian +50% Turkish @ 5.345607
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Croatian +25% Kurdish +25% Tuscan @ 2.391397
Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Armenian + Croatian + Italian_Abruzzo + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 1.556211
2 Armenian + Moldavian + Tuscan + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 1.688972
3 Armenian + Central_Greek + East_German + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 1.690062
4 Central_Greek + East_German + Georgian_Jewish + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 1.718582
5 Armenian + Italian_Abruzzo + Moldavian + Polish @ 1.720141
6 East_Sicilian + Kumyk + Lithuanian + Tuscan @ 1.726548
7 Armenian + East_German + East_Sicilian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 1.801637
8 Central_Greek + Kumyk + Lithuanian + Tuscan @ 1.811450
9 Greek_Thessaly + Kumyk + Russian_Smolensk + Tuscan @ 1.858209
10 Austrian + Central_Greek + Georgian_Jewish + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 1.892545
11 Armenian + Moldavian + Serbian + Serbian @ 1.916559
12 Armenian + Croatian + Italian_Abruzzo + Ukrainian @ 1.921169
13 Adygei + Ashkenazi + Estonian_Polish + North_Italian @ 1.928875
14 Adygei + Ashkenazi + North_Italian + Russian_Smolensk @ 1.933270
15 Adygei + Estonian_Polish + Greek_Thessaly + Tuscan @ 1.964726
16 Armenian + Croatian + Ukrainian_Lviv + West_Sicilian @ 1.966348
17 East_German + Georgian_Jewish + Greek_Thessaly + Moldavian @ 1.969301
18 Adygei + Ashkenazi + Lithuanian + North_Italian @ 1.970642
19 Armenian + Austrian + Central_Greek + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 1.970722
20 Armenian + Moldavian + Polish + West_Sicilian @ 1.973606
Eurogenes K15
# население на сто
1 Северно море 17.24
2 West_Asian 16.98
3 балтийски 16.00
4 East_Med 15.45
5 West_Med 11.08
6 атлантически 9.81
7 Eastern_Euro 7.30
8 Червено море 4.74
9 South_Asian 1.20
Завършено четене на данните за населението. Намерени са 207 популации.
Режим на 15 компонента.
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Метод с най-малко квадрати.
Използвайки една популация приближение:
1 румънския @ 9,351038
2 български @ 10.074250
3 Greek_Thessaly @ 12.262352
4 сръбски @ 13.347522
5 гръцки @ 15.685532
6 Молдовски @ 15.799517
7 Ашкенази @ 17.700117
8 Central_Greek @ 18.123779
9 Italian_Abruzzo @ 18.256039
10 унгарски @ 18.926077
11 East_Sicilian @ 19.257401
12 Хърватски @ 19.282661
13 тоскански @ 19.451302
14 австрийски @ 20.799335
15 West_Sicilian @ 22.085190
16 North_Italian @ 22.259203
17 South_Italian @ 22.533531
18 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 24.080439
19 East_German @ 24.175461
20 South_Polish @ 25.549223 Приближаване на
2 популации:
1 50% турски + 50% украински_Лвив @ 7.177257
Използване на приблизително приблизително 3 населения:
1 50% Greek_Thessaly + 25% украински + 25% Kumykviv 25%
Използване на приблизително приблизително 4 популации:
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++
1 арменски + Greek_Thessaly + унгарски + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4,181981
2 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + кумикски + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4,429895
3 арменски + East_Sicilian + Ukrainian_Lviv + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4,525385
4 арменски + Central_Greek + Ukrainian_Lviv + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4,565469
5 арменски + Greek_Thessaly + молдовски + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4,566174
6 арменски + Greek_Thessaly + Ukrainian_Lviv + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4,569913
7 естонски + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + кумикски @ 4,590424
8 арменски + Greek_Thessaly + унгарски + украински @ 4,606235
9 Georgian_Jewish + Greek_Thessaly + унгарски + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4,608412
10 арменски + East_German + Greek_Thessaly + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4,630472
11 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + кумикски + украински @ 4,669325
12 арменски + Italian_Abruzzo + Ukrainian_Lviv + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4,676221
13 арменски + Greek_Thessaly + унгарски + South_Polish @ 4.758154
14 арменски + хърватска + Greek_Thessaly + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4,820166
15 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + кумикски + South_Polish @ 4,842086
16 арменски + East_Sicilian + украински + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4,861390
17 унгарски + Libyan_Jewish + North_Ossetian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4,866861
18 грузински + Libyan_Jewish + Ukrainian_Lviv + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4,877146
19 East_German + Georgian_Jewish + Greek_Thessaly + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.883377
20 Adygei + Hungarian + Libyan_Jewish + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.893440
Eurogenes K36 Admixture Proportions
Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 1.49 Pct
Armenian 7.55 Pct
Basque 0.76 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 1.33 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 7.84 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 13.55 Pct
East_Med 10.19 Pct
Eastern_Euro 5.95 Pct
Fennoscandian 2.29 Pct
French 6.38 Pct
Iberian 4.09 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 10.76 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 5.96 Pct
North_African -
North_Atlantic 0.96 Pct
North_Caucasian 7.42 Pct
North_Sea 8.05 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian 0.45 Pct
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 2.37 Pct
West_Med 2.60 Pc
safinator
08-23-2019, 06:41 PM
I have posted Albanian gedmatch results in the thread below.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?238790-Albanian-gedmatch-results
PAGANE
08-23-2019, 06:44 PM
Eurogenes K13 - My mother
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 22.58
2 North_Atlantic 20.77
3 Baltic 19.78
4 West_Asian 17.40
5 West_Med 15.16
6 Red_Sea 2.59
Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.
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Least-squares method.
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Bulgarian @ 7.999398
2 Greek_Thessaly @ 9.331719
3 Romanian @ 9.889202
4 Italian_Abruzzo @ 13.699926
5 Central_Greek @ 14.098021
6 Serbian @ 14.521368
7 East_Sicilian @ 15.955138
8 Tuscan @ 17.087467
9 West_Sicilian @ 17.163874
10 Ashkenazi @ 18.528490
11 South_Italian @ 19.122854
12 Moldavian @ 20.305618
13 North_Italian @ 20.330824
14 Hungarian @ 23.199610
15 Croatian @ 23.944765
16 Sephardic_Jewish @ 25.252037
17 Italian_Jewish @ 25.886656
18 Austrian @ 26.160030
19 Algerian_Jewish @ 26.192886
20 Turkish @ 26.361103
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Assyrian +50% East_German @ 5.385173
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +25% Georgian_Jewish +25% Hungarian @ 2.535684
Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Armenian + Bulgarian + Serbian + Serbian @ 2.039796
2 Armenian + Bulgarian + Central_Greek + Southwest_Finnish @ 2.084976
3 Armenian + Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Hungarian @ 2.092894
4 Armenian + Romanian + Serbian + Serbian @ 2.114852
5 Armenian + Italian_Abruzzo + Romanian + South_Polish @ 2.153464
6 Armenian + Italian_Abruzzo + Serbian + South_Polish @ 2.157852
7 Armenian + Romanian + Romanian + Serbian @ 2.163212
8 Austrian + Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Georgian_Jewish @ 2.179638
9 Armenian + Greek_Thessaly + Hungarian + Serbian @ 2.213709
10 Armenian + Bulgarian + South_Italian + Southwest_Finnish @ 2.239139
11 Assyrian + Austrian + Bulgarian + Bulgarian @ 2.261564
12 Armenian + Bulgarian + Hungarian + Romanian @ 2.275784
13 Armenian + Austrian + Bulgarian + Bulgarian @ 2.298294
14 Georgian_Jewish + Italian_Abruzzo + Romanian + South_Polish @ 2.323318
15 Armenian + Central_Greek + Hungarian + Hungarian @ 2.343986
16 Central_Greek + Georgian_Jewish + Hungarian + Hungarian @ 2.354315
17 Armenian + Romanian + South_Italian + Southwest_Finnish @ 2.362543
18 Armenian + Bulgarian + East_Sicilian + Southwest_Finnish @ 2.370663
19 Armenian + Bulgarian + Italian_Abruzzo + South_Polish @ 2.371473
20 Armenian + Central_Greek + Serbian + South_Polish @ 2.391570
Eurogenes K15
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 19.15
2 West_Asian 17.28
3 Baltic 14.69
4 Atlantic 14.42
5 North_Sea 12.75
6 West_Med 10.40
7 Eastern_Euro 7.43
8 Red_Sea 3.17
Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.
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Least-squares method.
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Bulgarian @ 7.647767
2 Romanian @ 9.256690
3 Greek @ 10.554564
4 Greek_Thessaly @ 10.696865
5 Italian_Abruzzo @ 13.675804
6 Central_Greek @ 13.998839
7 Serbian @ 14.244268
8 Ashkenazi @ 14.563983
9 East_Sicilian @ 15.460913
10 Tuscan @ 16.408262
11 West_Sicilian @ 17.453278
12 South_Italian @ 18.207308
13 Moldavian @ 18.807779
14 North_Italian @ 20.430166
15 Croatian @ 21.191643
16 Austrian @ 21.397053
17 Hungarian @ 21.811159
18 Italian_Jewish @ 23.435169
19 Sephardic_Jewish @ 23.548635
20 Turkish @ 23.970690
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Croatian +50% Turkish @ 5.559443
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +25% Georgian_Jewish +25% Hungarian @ 2.732778
Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Austrian + Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Georgian_Jewish @ 2.554210
2 Armenian + Austrian + Bulgarian + Bulgarian @ 2.579664
3 Armenian + Belorussian + Bulgarian + Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.618880
4 Armenian + Belorussian + Italian_Abruzzo + Romanian @ 2.668214
5 Armenian + Bulgarian + Italian_Abruzzo + Lithuanian @ 2.682717
6 Armenian + Italian_Abruzzo + Romanian + Russian_Smolensk @ 2.690174
7 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Georgian_Jewish + Hungarian @ 2.732778
8 Austrian + Bulgarian + Georgian_Jewish + Romanian @ 2.739963
9 Armenian + Bulgarian + Italian_Abruzzo + Russian_Smolensk @ 2.794853
10 Armenian + Bulgarian + Italian_Abruzzo + Polish @ 2.823195
11 Armenian + Italian_Abruzzo + Lithuanian + Romanian @ 2.838665
12 Armenian + Austrian + Bulgarian + Romanian @ 2.859896
13 Armenian + Austrian + Russian_Smolensk + South_Italian @ 2.880618
14 Armenian + Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Hungarian @ 2.945322
15 Armenian + Bulgarian + Russian_Smolensk + Tuscan @ 2.953411
16 Armenian + Italian_Abruzzo + Polish + Romanian @ 2.985099
17 Armenian + Austrian + South_Italian + South_Polish @ 2.989873
18 Armenian + Bulgarian + Estonian_Polish + Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.997787
19 Armenian + Belorussian + Bulgarian + Tuscan @ 2.999732
20 Armenian + Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Croatian @ 3.022963
Eurogenes K36
Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 1.37 Pct
Armenian 8.06 Pct
Basque 1.55 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 2.76 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 11.15 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 9.36 Pct
East_Med 9.61 Pct
Eastern_Euro 2.91 Pct
Fennoscandian 3.62 Pct
French 3.49 Pct
Iberian 1.87 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 17.16 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 5.14 Pct
North_African -
North_Atlantic 7.18 Pct
North_Caucasian 8.31 Pct
North_Sea 3.55 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 2.93 Pct
West_Med -
vbnetkhio
08-23-2019, 07:04 PM
I have posted Albanian gedmatch results in the thread below.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?238790-Albanian-gedmatch-results
looking at the kits in "random gedmatch kits" thread, this scientific Croatian sample seems to be an Albanian from Croatia. in his one-to-one comparison all his relatives are Albanians.
Kit Number: Z305488
Name: Croatia_Cro344
looking at the kits in "random gedmatch kits" thread, this scientific Croatian sample seems to be an Albanian from Croatia. in his one-to-one comparison all his relatives are Albanians.
Kit Number: Z305488
Name: Croatia_Cro344
We wondered about this sample for long time. Thanks for clarifying it. I wonder why was he included in sampling. Maybe it is adopted person or something unaware of their real ancestry.
My father K13 (Croat)
http://imgur.com/a/WDVyD5m
vbnetkhio
08-23-2019, 07:27 PM
My father K13 (Croat)
http://imgur.com/a/WDVyD5m
post k15, i'll add him to the plot
Ljubic
08-23-2019, 07:39 PM
Croat with Ancestry from Hercegovina and Northeast Bosnia
Eurogenes K13
Population :
North_Atlantic 23.37 Pct
Baltic 31.99 Pct
West_Med 15.85 Pct
West_Asian 9.54 Pct
East_Med 13.45 Pct
Red_Sea 3.45 Pct
South_Asian 0.64 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.75 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.06 Pct
Northeast_African 0.06 Pct
Sub-Saharan 0.83 Pct
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 3.99
2 Serbian 5.76
3 Croatian 6.7
4 Romanian 8.16
5 Hungarian 9.34
6 Bulgarian 9.75
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 12.61
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67.8% Ukrainian_Lviv + 32.2% East_Sicilian @ 1.79
2 66.9% Ukrainian_Lviv + 33.1% Central_Greek @ 1.86
3 59.4% Ukrainian_Lviv + 40.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.94
4 70.3% Ukrainian_Lviv + 29.7% South_Italian @ 1.95
5 86.1% Croatian + 13.9% Cyprian @ 1.96
6 87.6% Croatian + 12.4% Samaritan @ 1.96
7 87.9% Croatian + 12.1% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.04
Eurogenes K15
Population
North_Sea 19.94 Pct
Atlantic 10.80 Pct
Baltic 23.97 Pct
Eastern_Euro 9.90 Pct
West_Med 11.91 Pct
West_Asian 8.35 Pct
East_Med 10.93 Pct
Red_Sea 3.04 Pct
South_Asian 0.37 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian 0.08 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.72 Pct
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 6.81
2 Croatian 8.91
3 Hungarian 9.23
4 Romanian 9.73
5 Serbian 9.95
6 Ukrainian_Lviv 11.14
7 Bulgarian 11.54
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 61.5% Ukrainian_Lviv + 38.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.08
2 72.7% Ukrainian_Lviv + 27.3% South_Italian @ 4.65
3 69.9% Ukrainian_Lviv + 30.1% Central_Greek @ 4.71
4 70.6% Ukrainian_Lviv + 29.4% East_Sicilian @ 4.73
5 58.3% Ukrainian + 41.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.82
6 54.8% Greek_Thessaly + 45.2% Lithuanian @ 4.82
7 78.5% Ukrainian_Lviv + 21.5% Cyprian @ 4.88
vbnetkhio
08-23-2019, 07:48 PM
pca, updated.
90640
post k15, i'll add him to the plot
http://imgur.com/a/mJmy1aC
ph2ter
08-23-2019, 07:52 PM
K15
Kaykavian Croatians:
Me:
Population
North_Sea 18.40 Pct
Atlantic 23.92 Pct
Baltic 20.76 Pct
Eastern_Euro 16.75 Pct
West_Med 6.66 Pct
West_Asian 7.69 Pct
East_Med 2.76 Pct
Red_Sea 1.74 Pct
South_Asian 0.45 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.83 Pct
Oceanian 0.05 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
My wife:
Population
North_Sea 25.97 Pct
Atlantic 15.48 Pct
Baltic 22.58 Pct
Eastern_Euro 11.76 Pct
West_Med 7.94 Pct
West_Asian 8.95 Pct
East_Med 4.33 Pct
Red_Sea 0.08 Pct
South_Asian 1.57 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.54 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.80 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
Add my husband ? (He is Hungarian)
http://imgur.com/a/bqBQ1jK
vbnetkhio
08-23-2019, 08:09 PM
Add my husband ? (He is Hungarian)
http://imgur.com/a/bqBQ1jK
90642
edit:added ph2ter's wife.
vbnetkhio
08-23-2019, 08:10 PM
K15
Kaykavian Croatians:
Me:
Population
North_Sea 18.40 Pct
Atlantic 23.92 Pct
Baltic 20.76 Pct
Eastern_Euro 16.75 Pct
West_Med 6.66 Pct
West_Asian 7.69 Pct
East_Med 2.76 Pct
Red_Sea 1.74 Pct
South_Asian 0.45 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.83 Pct
Oceanian 0.05 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
My wife:
Population
North_Sea 25.97 Pct
Atlantic 15.48 Pct
Baltic 22.58 Pct
Eastern_Euro 11.76 Pct
West_Med 7.94 Pct
West_Asian 8.95 Pct
East_Med 4.33 Pct
Red_Sea 0.08 Pct
South_Asian 1.57 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.54 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.80 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
what do you score in oracles?
90641
Oh wow he cluster bit SE from R1a Croat from West Herzegovina / Dalmatia
Me
http://imgur.com/a/42XvnZR
Ljubic
08-23-2019, 08:16 PM
Please put me in there as well.
Population
North_Sea 19.72 Pct
Atlantic 13.72 Pct
Baltic 22.51 Pct
Eastern_Euro 10.60 Pct
West_Med 11.14 Pct
West_Asian 6.41 Pct
East_Med 14.05 Pct
Red_Sea 1.75 Pct
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.10 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
what admixture do the most eastern ones have? Finno-Ugric? or Caucasus?
Sorry I missed this. I am not sure, but usually it is some Dalmatians and Bosnians-Herzegovians clustering pretty eastern.
safinator
08-23-2019, 08:22 PM
looking at the kits in "random gedmatch kits" thread, this scientific Croatian sample seems to be an Albanian from Croatia. in his one-to-one comparison all his relatives are Albanians.
Kit Number: Z305488
Name: Croatia_Cro344
If his relatives are Albanian odds are that he's at least half Albanian, strange error but it would be interesting contacting him personally to verify.
vbnetkhio
08-23-2019, 08:28 PM
update
90643
vbnetkhio
08-23-2019, 08:36 PM
If his relatives are Albanian odds are that he's at least half Albanian, strange error but it would be interesting contacting him personally to verify.
i think he is full. he is closest to Bulgarians like north Albanians you posted in your thread.
My dad plot between me and my husband. Maybe my son will plot just like that :o
ph2ter
08-23-2019, 08:49 PM
what do you score in oracles?
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Austrian 6.19
2 Croatian 7.4
3 South_Polish 9.05
4 East_German 9.17
5 Hungarian 9.49
6 Polish 9.88
7 Russian_Smolensk 10.62
8 Moldavian 10.71
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 11.15
10 Ukrainian 11.39
11 Ukrainian_Belgorod 12.22
12 Southwest_Finnish 12.4
13 Serbian 12.41
14 Southwest_Russian 12.46
15 Estonian_Polish 12.91
16 Belorussian 13.12
17 Finnish 14.43
18 Romanian 15.18
19 Kargopol_Russian 15.19
20 Estonian 15.32
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 68.4% Austrian + 31.6% Russian_Smolensk @ 4.27
2 73.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 26.9% French_Basque @ 4.3
3 73.6% Austrian + 26.4% Estonian_Polish @ 4.39
4 72.5% Austrian + 27.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.44
5 73.3% Austrian + 26.7% Southwest_Russian @ 4.51
6 74.8% Austrian + 25.2% Belorussian @ 4.61
7 68.3% Austrian + 31.7% Polish @ 4.7
8 78.4% Austrian + 21.6% Kargopol_Russian @ 4.75
9 73% Southwest_Russian + 27% French_Basque @ 4.82
10 69.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 30.2% Spanish_Aragon @ 4.82
11 68.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 31.1% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.82
12 82.2% Austrian + 17.8% Erzya @ 4.84
13 81.3% Austrian + 18.7% Lithuanian @ 4.88
14 72.5% Russian_Smolensk + 27.5% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.93
15 68.5% Southwest_Russian + 31.5% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 5.04
16 67.8% Austrian + 32.2% South_Polish @ 5.06
17 69.5% Southwest_Russian + 30.5% Spanish_Aragon @ 5.13
18 68.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 31.6% Spanish_Valencia @ 5.13
19 67.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 32.6% Southwest_French @ 5.14
20 73.6% Russian_Smolensk + 26.4% Spanish_Aragon @ 5.16
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Austrian +50% Russian_Smolensk @ 5.752393
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Austrian +25% Austrian +25% Russian_Smolensk @ 5.059801
Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 French_Basque + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.930972
2 Austrian + Austrian + Austrian + Russian_Smolensk @ 5.059801
3 Austrian + Austrian + Austrian + Estonian_Polish @ 5.095965
4 French_Basque + South_Polish + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 5.101453
5 French_Basque + Southwest_Russian + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 5.107472
6 Austrian + Austrian + Austrian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 5.168005
7 French_Basque + Russian_Smolensk + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 5.173111
8 Austrian + French_Basque + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 5.178475
9 Austrian + Austrian + Austrian + Southwest_Russian @ 5.248095
10 Croatian + French_Basque + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 5.281064
11 Austrian + Erzya + French_Basque + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 5.286536
12 French_Basque + Polish + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 5.289598
13 Austrian + Southwest_French + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 5.291723
14 French_Basque + South_Polish + Southwest_Russian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 5.307392
15 French_Basque + Southwest_Russian + Southwest_Russian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 5.318249
16 Austrian + French_Basque + Southwest_Russian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 5.337552
17 Austrian + Austrian + Austrian + Belorussian @ 5.344453
18 French_Basque + Russian_Smolensk + Southwest_Russian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 5.381858
19 Croatian + French_Basque + Southwest_Russian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 5.395002
20 Austrian + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 5.403945
Cumansky
08-23-2019, 08:53 PM
Slovenian Eurogenes K13:
90644
ph2ter
08-23-2019, 08:53 PM
i think he is full. he is closest to Bulgarians like north Albanians you posted in your thread.
Maybe he's a Croat from Janjevo (Kosovo). Also there exist a village near Zadar with Croatized Albanians, or maybe he is Albanian living in Istria.
Cumansky
08-23-2019, 08:55 PM
Croatian Eurogenes K13:
90645
Cumansky
08-23-2019, 08:57 PM
Romanian Eurogenes K13:
90646
Add users Hrvoje (Croat/Slovene)
http://imgur.com/a/AWufPST
and Impaler (Romanian/Greek)
http://imgur.com/a/h1hcjgv
Cumansky
08-23-2019, 09:08 PM
Croatian Eurogenes K13:
90647
Cumansky
08-23-2019, 09:10 PM
..
Cumansky
08-23-2019, 09:11 PM
Greek Eurogenes K13:
90649
Cumansky
08-23-2019, 09:16 PM
Bulgarian Eurogenes K13:
90650
My mother K15 :)
http://imgur.com/a/N1W1ocf
Cumansky
08-23-2019, 09:18 PM
Bosnian Croat Eurogenes K13:
90651
Cumansky
08-23-2019, 09:19 PM
Moldovan Eurogenes K13:
90652
vbnetkhio
08-23-2019, 09:20 PM
Add users Hrvoje (Croat/Slovene)
http://imgur.com/a/AWufPST
and Impaler (Romanian/Greek)
http://imgur.com/a/h1hcjgv
my old computer is overheating. this is it for today.
90653
Thanks a lot!
I am more NW than Hrvoje and he is really close to me.
Cumansky
08-23-2019, 09:26 PM
Hungarian Eurogenes K13:
90654
Cumansky
08-23-2019, 09:27 PM
Those are some proper sample for your collection
CommonSense
08-23-2019, 09:52 PM
Me:
K15:
Population
North_Sea 20.46 Pct
Atlantic 12.00 Pct
Baltic 17.32 Pct
Eastern_Euro 12.66 Pct
West_Med 13.55 Pct
West_Asian 10.99 Pct
East_Med 11.36 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 1.03 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.63 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
K13:
Population
North_Atlantic 24.65 Pct
Baltic 28.67 Pct
West_Med 17.63 Pct
West_Asian 11.87 Pct
East_Med 13.96 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 1.51 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.29 Pct
Amerindian 0.56 Pct
Oceanian 0.86 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
Dušan
08-23-2019, 10:00 PM
Dušan K13
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 33.78
2 North_Atlantic 22.32
3 West_Med 18.56
4 East_Med 12.69
5 West_Asian 8.15
6 Siberian 1.73
7 Red_Sea 1.13
8 Oceanian 0.92
9 South_Asian 0.72
Dušan K15
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 21.52
2 Atlantic 16.34
3 Eastern_Euro 14.78
4 North_Sea 14.53
5 West_Med 13.15
6 East_Med 8.92
7 West_Asian 8.3
8 Red_Sea 0.96
9 Oceanian 0.78
10 Siberian 0.65
11 South_Asian 0.05
Kaspias
08-24-2019, 08:51 AM
K13
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 21
2 Baltic 20.37
3 North_Atlantic 15.55
4 West_Asian 14.91
5 West_Med 12.29
6 Siberian 7.57
7 Red_Sea 3.25
8 South_Asian 2.06
9 East_Asian 1.16
10 Amerindian 0.7
11 Sub-Saharan 0.61
12 Oceanian 0.53
K15
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 20.45
2 North_Sea 14.77
3 West_Asian 13.38
4 Eastern_Euro 12.2
5 Baltic 10.08
6 West_Med 10.03
7 Siberian 6.85
8 Atlantic 5.56
9 Red_Sea 2.46
10 South_Asian 1.97
11 Southeast_Asian 1.03
12 Sub-Saharan 0.47
13 Amerindian 0.44
14 Oceanian 0.31
andre
08-24-2019, 10:06 AM
Andre k13
1 Baltic 29.7
2 North_Atlantic 22.95
3 East_Med 20.01
4 West_Med 14.39
5 West_Asian 8
6 Red_Sea 3.14
7 Siberian 1.17
8 Oceanian 0.27
9 East_Asian 0.2
10 Sub-Saharan 0.17
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 5.94
2 Romanian 6.42
3 Bulgarian 7.07
4 Moldavian 9.35
5 Croatian 11.5
6 Hungarian 12.14
vbnetkhio
08-24-2019, 10:36 AM
https://i.imgur.com/BVOsi9r.png
Thracian
08-24-2019, 11:50 AM
Can you also add me?
North_Atlantic 19.94 Pct
Baltic 16.83 Pct
West_Med 13.89 Pct
West_Asian 16.36 Pct
East_Med 21.68 Pct
Red_Sea 3.87 Pct
South_Asian 3.67 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 3.02 Pct
Amerindian 0.39 Pct
Oceanian 0.34 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
vbnetkhio
08-24-2019, 11:53 AM
Can you also add me?
North_Atlantic 19.94 Pct
Baltic 16.83 Pct
West_Med 13.89 Pct
West_Asian 16.36 Pct
East_Med 21.68 Pct
Red_Sea 3.87 Pct
South_Asian 3.67 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 3.02 Pct
Amerindian 0.39 Pct
Oceanian 0.34 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
ofc, but i need k15
Thracian
08-24-2019, 11:59 AM
ofc, but i need k15
Oh sorry.
Population
North_Sea 14.86 Pct
Atlantic 8.66 Pct
Baltic 10.82 Pct
Eastern_Euro 7.34 Pct
West_Med 12.29 Pct
West_Asian 16.19 Pct
East_Med 18.25 Pct
Red_Sea 4.93 Pct
South_Asian 4.20 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian 2.38 Pct
Amerindian 0.09 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
vbnetkhio
08-24-2019, 12:17 PM
Oh sorry.
Population
North_Sea 14.86 Pct
Atlantic 8.66 Pct
Baltic 10.82 Pct
Eastern_Euro 7.34 Pct
West_Med 12.29 Pct
West_Asian 16.19 Pct
East_Med 18.25 Pct
Red_Sea 4.93 Pct
South_Asian 4.20 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian 2.38 Pct
Amerindian 0.09 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
added you and the macedonian from this thread> https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?202655-Slavic-speaking-world-GEDmatch-results
https://i.imgur.com/fXhyGwG.png
Can you add this Coastal Dalmatian Croat?
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?275874-Gedmatch-from-Dalmatia
Banija Serb results
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?277615-Krajina-Serb-(from-Banija)-results
Central Croatia
http://imgur.com/a/GJiKrvh
vbnetkhio
08-24-2019, 03:44 PM
Can you add this Coastal Dalmatian Croat?
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?275874-Gedmatch-from-Dalmatia
https://i.imgur.com/nIklEYL.png
Dalmatian Croat, Ford, and your mother's labels overlap
vbnetkhio
08-24-2019, 04:00 PM
Andre k13
1 Baltic 29.7
2 North_Atlantic 22.95
3 East_Med 20.01
4 West_Med 14.39
5 West_Asian 8
6 Red_Sea 3.14
7 Siberian 1.17
8 Oceanian 0.27
9 East_Asian 0.2
10 Sub-Saharan 0.17
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 5.94
2 Romanian 6.42
3 Bulgarian 7.07
4 Moldavian 9.35
5 Croatian 11.5
6 Hungarian 12.14
post k15, i'll ad you
Cumansky
08-24-2019, 04:17 PM
Montenegrin EU7137267
Slovenian CF2186814
Croatian Gp3448254
Romanian Nn8616205
Croatian T063442
Greek M819623
Bulgarian A829656
Croatian T313333
Moldovan T095264
Hungarian T095921
This all the kits I posted, maybe you can add them PCA if not too much work
https://i.imgur.com/nIklEYL.png
Dalmatian Croat, Ford, and your mother's labels overlap
Thanks. It makes sense, both my parents are predominately Dalmatian and Ford is Bosnian. Dalmatians and Bosnians are genetically overlapping (regardless of ethnicity).
Dušan
08-24-2019, 04:50 PM
@ vbnetkhio
I think you made little mistake. I am bit southern than Banija Serb. Not opposite.
@ vbnetkhio
I think you made little mistake. I am bit southern than Banija Serb. Not opposite.
That is not HungryLion I think.
Ayetooey
08-24-2019, 05:06 PM
ofc, but i need k15
Could you add my fathers kit please.
Population
North_Sea 17.07 Pct
Atlantic 14.69 Pct
Baltic 19.91 Pct
Eastern_Euro 13.58 Pct
West_Med 13.77 Pct
West_Asian 7.87 Pct
East_Med 11.89 Pct
Red_Sea 0.23 Pct
South_Asian 0.20 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.63 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.18 Pct
Dušan
08-24-2019, 05:09 PM
That is not HungryLion I think.
Than my mistake.
Vlatko Vukovic (Bosniak member) K15 results in post #57
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?237395-VLATKO-VUKOVIC-s-autosomal!&p=5004333&viewfull=1#post5004333
Than my mistake.
Maybe somebody can add him too.
And Ogi, that Montenegrin member.
Jackson78
08-24-2019, 05:11 PM
My results:
K13:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 32.37
2 North_Atlantic 25.42
3 West_Med 16.87
4 West_Asian 11.24
5 East_Med 11.05
6 East_Asian 1.18
Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.
--------------------------------
Least-squares method.
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Moldavian @ 3.512976
2 Croatian @ 6.208053
3 Serbian @ 7.539732
4 Hungarian @ 9.169308
5 Romanian @ 10.720761
6 Bulgarian @ 12.957453
7 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 13.125259
8 Austrian @ 13.300336
9 East_German @ 14.082150
10 South_Polish @ 14.202950
11 Ukrainian @ 14.573528
12 Polish @ 18.138781
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 18.513046
14 Southwest_Russian @ 18.514755
15 Russian_Smolensk @ 20.452198
16 West_German @ 21.098558
17 Estonian_Polish @ 21.274538
18 Tatar @ 21.519800
19 Belorussian @ 22.044075
20 South_Dutch @ 22.698742
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Moldavian +50% Moldavian @ 3.512976
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Moldavian +25% Moldavian +25% Serbian @ 3.014036
Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Croatian + Moldavian + Moldavian + Romanian @ 2.959982
2 Moldavian + Moldavian + Moldavian + Serbian @ 3.014036
3 Bulgarian + Croatian + Croatian + Moldavian @ 3.028412
4 Bulgarian + Croatian + Moldavian + Moldavian @ 3.094122
5 Croatian + Croatian + Moldavian + Romanian @ 3.121157
6 Moldavian + Moldavian + Moldavian + Romanian @ 3.193699
7 Croatian + Moldavian + Moldavian + Serbian @ 3.205732
8 Bulgarian + Moldavian + Moldavian + South_Polish @ 3.319362
9 Bulgarian + Moldavian + Moldavian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.330410
10 Bulgarian + Croatian + Croatian + Croatian @ 3.380549
11 Moldavian + Moldavian + North_Italian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.389211
12 Bulgarian + Moldavian + Serbian + Ukrainian @ 3.441217
13 Italian_Abruzzo + Moldavian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 3.445937
14 Bulgarian + Moldavian + Moldavian + Ukrainian @ 3.452851
15 Italian_Abruzzo + Moldavian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.468203
16 Moldavian + Romanian + Romanian + Ukrainian @ 3.469097
17 Bulgarian + Moldavian + Serbian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.469468
18 Moldavian + Moldavian + Romanian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.476293
19 Moldavian + Romanian + Serbian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.485825
20 Moldavian + Romanian + Serbian + Ukrainian @ 3.486748
K15:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 22.39
2 North_Sea 20.36
3 Atlantic 12.85
4 West_Med 12.75
5 Eastern_Euro 11.90
6 West_Asian 10.73
7 East_Med 7.27
Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.
--------------------------------
Least-squares method.
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Moldavian @ 5.230236
2 Croatian @ 7.890213
3 Hungarian @ 8.716464
4 Serbian @ 10.458406
5 Romanian @ 11.158616
6 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 11.523626
7 Austrian @ 12.750801
8 Ukrainian @ 12.966234
9 South_Polish @ 13.044652
10 Bulgarian @ 13.920332
11 East_German @ 14.015963
12 Polish @ 16.691973
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 17.080763
14 Russian_Smolensk @ 17.400246
15 Southwest_Russian @ 17.942518
16 Belorussian @ 19.769325
17 Estonian_Polish @ 20.131210
18 Finnish @ 20.637068
19 Southwest_Finnish @ 20.934608
20 West_German @ 21.488249
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Moldavian +50% Moldavian @ 5.230236
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Moldavian +25% Romanian +25% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 5.016878
Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++
1 Greek_Thessaly + Moldavian + Ukrainian_Lviv + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.938064
2 Moldavian + Moldavian + Romanian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 5.016878
3 Bulgarian + Moldavian + Moldavian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 5.105589
4 Greek_Thessaly + Moldavian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 5.122116
5 Greek_Thessaly + Moldavian + South_Polish + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 5.168971
6 Moldavian + Moldavian + Moldavian + Moldavian @ 5.230236
7 Bulgarian + Hungarian + Moldavian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 5.253470
8 Romanian + Romanian + Ukrainian_Lviv + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 5.253924
9 Hungarian + Moldavian + Moldavian + Moldavian @ 5.257243
10 Moldavian + Moldavian + Romanian + Ukrainian @ 5.280862
11 Greek_Thessaly + Moldavian + Moldavian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 5.282666
12 Croatian + Greek_Thessaly + Ukrainian_Lviv + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 5.327462
13 Bulgarian + Moldavian + Moldavian + Ukrainian @ 5.341390
14 Moldavian + Moldavian + Moldavian + Romanian @ 5.346151
15 Bulgarian + Romanian + Ukrainian_Lviv + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 5.356911
16 Croatian + Greek_Thessaly + Moldavian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 5.363200
17 Greek_Thessaly + Moldavian + Moldavian + Ukrainian @ 5.373534
18 Greek_Thessaly + Moldavian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 5.381130
19 Greek_Thessaly + Hungarian + Ukrainian_Lviv + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 5.387053
20 Hungarian + Moldavian + Moldavian + Romanian @ 5.387735
K15 pca map:
https://i.imgur.com/ZCBBntD.jpg
My results:
K13:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 32.37
2 North_Atlantic 25.42
3 West_Med 16.87
4 West_Asian 11.24
5 East_Med 11.05
6 East_Asian 1.18
Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.
--------------------------------
Least-squares method.
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Moldavian @ 3.512976
2 Croatian @ 6.208053
3 Serbian @ 7.539732
4 Hungarian @ 9.169308
5 Romanian @ 10.720761
6 Bulgarian @ 12.957453
7 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 13.125259
8 Austrian @ 13.300336
9 East_German @ 14.082150
10 South_Polish @ 14.202950
11 Ukrainian @ 14.573528
12 Polish @ 18.138781
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 18.513046
14 Southwest_Russian @ 18.514755
15 Russian_Smolensk @ 20.452198
16 West_German @ 21.098558
17 Estonian_Polish @ 21.274538
18 Tatar @ 21.519800
19 Belorussian @ 22.044075
20 South_Dutch @ 22.698742
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Moldavian +50% Moldavian @ 3.512976
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Moldavian +25% Moldavian +25% Serbian @ 3.014036
Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Croatian + Moldavian + Moldavian + Romanian @ 2.959982
2 Moldavian + Moldavian + Moldavian + Serbian @ 3.014036
3 Bulgarian + Croatian + Croatian + Moldavian @ 3.028412
4 Bulgarian + Croatian + Moldavian + Moldavian @ 3.094122
5 Croatian + Croatian + Moldavian + Romanian @ 3.121157
6 Moldavian + Moldavian + Moldavian + Romanian @ 3.193699
7 Croatian + Moldavian + Moldavian + Serbian @ 3.205732
8 Bulgarian + Moldavian + Moldavian + South_Polish @ 3.319362
9 Bulgarian + Moldavian + Moldavian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.330410
10 Bulgarian + Croatian + Croatian + Croatian @ 3.380549
11 Moldavian + Moldavian + North_Italian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.389211
12 Bulgarian + Moldavian + Serbian + Ukrainian @ 3.441217
13 Italian_Abruzzo + Moldavian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 3.445937
14 Bulgarian + Moldavian + Moldavian + Ukrainian @ 3.452851
15 Italian_Abruzzo + Moldavian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.468203
16 Moldavian + Romanian + Romanian + Ukrainian @ 3.469097
17 Bulgarian + Moldavian + Serbian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.469468
18 Moldavian + Moldavian + Romanian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.476293
19 Moldavian + Romanian + Serbian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.485825
20 Moldavian + Romanian + Serbian + Ukrainian @ 3.486748
K15:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 22.39
2 North_Sea 20.36
3 Atlantic 12.85
4 West_Med 12.75
5 Eastern_Euro 11.90
6 West_Asian 10.73
7 East_Med 7.27
Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.
--------------------------------
Least-squares method.
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Moldavian @ 5.230236
2 Croatian @ 7.890213
3 Hungarian @ 8.716464
4 Serbian @ 10.458406
5 Romanian @ 11.158616
6 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 11.523626
7 Austrian @ 12.750801
8 Ukrainian @ 12.966234
9 South_Polish @ 13.044652
10 Bulgarian @ 13.920332
11 East_German @ 14.015963
12 Polish @ 16.691973
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 17.080763
14 Russian_Smolensk @ 17.400246
15 Southwest_Russian @ 17.942518
16 Belorussian @ 19.769325
17 Estonian_Polish @ 20.131210
18 Finnish @ 20.637068
19 Southwest_Finnish @ 20.934608
20 West_German @ 21.488249
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Moldavian +50% Moldavian @ 5.230236
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Moldavian +25% Romanian +25% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 5.016878
Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++
1 Greek_Thessaly + Moldavian + Ukrainian_Lviv + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.938064
2 Moldavian + Moldavian + Romanian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 5.016878
3 Bulgarian + Moldavian + Moldavian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 5.105589
4 Greek_Thessaly + Moldavian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 5.122116
5 Greek_Thessaly + Moldavian + South_Polish + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 5.168971
6 Moldavian + Moldavian + Moldavian + Moldavian @ 5.230236
7 Bulgarian + Hungarian + Moldavian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 5.253470
8 Romanian + Romanian + Ukrainian_Lviv + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 5.253924
9 Hungarian + Moldavian + Moldavian + Moldavian @ 5.257243
10 Moldavian + Moldavian + Romanian + Ukrainian @ 5.280862
11 Greek_Thessaly + Moldavian + Moldavian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 5.282666
12 Croatian + Greek_Thessaly + Ukrainian_Lviv + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 5.327462
13 Bulgarian + Moldavian + Moldavian + Ukrainian @ 5.341390
14 Moldavian + Moldavian + Moldavian + Romanian @ 5.346151
15 Bulgarian + Romanian + Ukrainian_Lviv + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 5.356911
16 Croatian + Greek_Thessaly + Moldavian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 5.363200
17 Greek_Thessaly + Moldavian + Moldavian + Ukrainian @ 5.373534
18 Greek_Thessaly + Moldavian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 5.381130
19 Greek_Thessaly + Hungarian + Ukrainian_Lviv + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 5.387053
20 Hungarian + Moldavian + Moldavian + Romanian @ 5.387735
K15 pca map:
https://i.imgur.com/ZCBBntD.jpg
You seem to be more Slavic. Can you share all the components? What you posted is Oracle-4. Also Dodecad K12b would be appreciated.
Moje ime
08-24-2019, 05:31 PM
My Eurogenes K13
# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 29.33
2 Baltic 27.8
3 East_Med 16.06
4 West_Med 14.61
5 West_Asian 9.58
6 Red_Sea 1.14
7 Oceanian 0.53
8 Northeast_African 0.51
9 Amerindian 0.44
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?69684-Eurogenes-K13&p=5183732&viewfull=1#post5183732
My Eurogenes K15
# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 19.32
2 North_Sea 19.29
3 Baltic 18.62
4 East_Med 11.87
5 West_Asian 10.44
6 West_Med 9.65
7 Eastern_Euro 9.03
8 Red_Sea 1.22
9 Northeast_African 0.31
10 Oceanian 0.25
11 Amerindian 0.01
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?96710-Post-your-Eurogenes-EUtest-V2-K15-results&p=5181768&viewfull=1#post5181768
Jackson78
08-24-2019, 05:56 PM
You seem to be more Slavic. Can you share all the components? What you posted is Oracle-4. Also Dodecad K12b would be appreciated.
K12b Dodecad Oracle-4 and Oracle:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_European 41.84
2 Atlantic_Med 27.12
3 Caucasus 20.71
4 Gedrosia 5.77
5 Southwest_Asian 3.20
Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
12 components mode.
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Least-squares method.
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Hungarians_Behar @ 8.149861
2 Romanians_Behar @ 10.776355
3 Bulgarian_Dodecad @ 12.889667
4 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev @ 13.320897
5 German_Dodecad @ 14.115519
6 Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad @ 19.291710
7 Dutch_Dodecad @ 20.860657
8 French_Dodecad @ 21.786907
9 French_HGDP @ 22.027231
10 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 22.955002
11 N_Italian_Dodecad @ 23.201994
12 Kent_1000Genomes @ 23.366179
13 CEU30_1000Genomes @ 23.437723
14 English_Dodecad @ 23.671227
15 Ukranians_Yunusbayev @ 24.017282
16 Polish_Dodecad @ 24.504349
17 British_Isles_Dodecad @ 24.872644
18 Swedish_Dodecad @ 25.453083
19 Cornwall_1000Genomes @ 25.916819
20 Argyll_1000Genomes @ 26.124516
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian_Dodecad +50% German_Dodecad @ 1.836958
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian_Dodecad +25% German_Dodecad +25% German_Dodecad @ 1.836958
Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Armenians_Behar + Belorussian_Behar + Lithuanian_Dodecad + Pais_Vasco_1000Genomes @ 1.040316
2 Armenians_Behar + French_Basque_HGDP + Lithuanians_Behar + Russian_B_Behar @ 1.096134
3 Armenians_Behar + Lithuanians_Behar + Mixed_Slav_Dodecad + Pais_Vasco_1000Genomes @ 1.133391
4 Armenians_Behar + Lithuanians_Behar + Pais_Vasco_1000Genomes + Ukranians_Yunusbayev @ 1.160680
5 Armenians_Behar + Lithuanian_Dodecad + Mixed_Slav_Dodecad + Pais_Vasco_1000Genomes @ 1.206093
6 Armenians_Behar + Lithuanian_Dodecad + Pais_Vasco_1000Genomes + Russian_B_Behar @ 1.361204
7 Armenians_Behar + French_Basque_HGDP + Lithuanian_Dodecad + Lithuanian_Dodecad @ 1.398828
8 Bulgarian_Dodecad + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + O_Italian_Dodecad + Russian_B_Behar @ 1.441065
9 Armenians_Behar + Lithuanian_Dodecad + Pais_Vasco_1000Genomes + Russian_Dodecad @ 1.444780
10 Armenians_Behar + Belorussian_Behar + French_Basque_HGDP + Lithuanians_Behar @ 1.477993
11 Armenians_Behar + Lithuanians_Behar + Pais_Vasco_1000Genomes + Polish_Dodecad @ 1.497416
12 Armenians_Behar + Belorussian_Behar + Lithuanians_Behar + Pais_Vasco_1000Genomes @ 1.556650
13 Armenians_Behar + Lithuanians_Behar + Pais_Vasco_1000Genomes + Russian_B_Behar @ 1.584075
14 Argyll_1000Genomes + Greek_Dodecad + Romanians_Behar + Russian_B_Behar @ 1.594337
15 Argyll_1000Genomes + Bulgarian_Dodecad + Greek_Dodecad + Russian_B_Behar @ 1.606716
16 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + O_Italian_Dodecad + Russian_B_Behar @ 1.617798
17 Armenians_Behar + Lithuanian_Dodecad + Pais_Vasco_1000Genomes + Polish_Dodecad @ 1.642968
18 Bulgarian_Dodecad + Greek_Dodecad + Irish_Dodecad + Russian_B_Behar @ 1.660596
19 Armenians_Behar + French_Basque_HGDP + Lithuanians_Behar + Russian_Dodecad @ 1.674854
20 Argyll_1000Genomes + Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + Greek_Dodecad + Russian_B_Behar @ 1.691165
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_European 41.84
2 Atlantic_Med 27.12
3 Caucasus 20.71
4 Gedrosia 5.77
5 Southwest_Asian 3.2
6 East_Asian 0.69
7 South_Asian 0.32
8 Siberian 0.32
9 Northwest_African 0.01
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarians (Behar) 7.4
2 Romanians (Behar) 9.75
3 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 11.65
4 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 12
5 German (Dodecad) 12.73
6 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 17.48
7 Dutch (Dodecad) 18.88
8 French (Dodecad) 19.96
9 French (HGDP) 20.21
10 O_Italian (Dodecad) 21.04
11 Kent (1000Genomes) 21.2
12 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 21.25
13 N_Italian (Dodecad) 21.42
14 English (Dodecad) 21.46
15 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 22.08
16 Polish (Dodecad) 22.4
17 British_Isles (Dodecad) 22.55
18 Swedish (Dodecad) 22.91
19 Cornwall (1000Genomes) 23.53
20 Norwegian (Dodecad) 23.58
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 52.3% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 47.7% German (Dodecad) @ 1.65
2 67.1% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 32.9% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 1.65
3 66.5% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 33.5% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 1.71
4 56.8% Romanians (Behar) + 43.2% German (Dodecad) @ 1.84
5 70.5% Romanians (Behar) + 29.5% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 1.94
6 71.1% Romanians (Behar) + 28.9% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 1.97
7 82% Hungarians (Behar) + 18% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.21
8 78.4% Hungarians (Behar) + 21.6% Greek (Dodecad) @ 2.22
9 51.5% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 48.5% German (Dodecad) @ 2.28
10 82.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 17.9% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.32
11 65.9% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 34.1% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 2.33
12 74.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 25.1% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2.45
13 85.4% Hungarians (Behar) + 14.6% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 2.45
14 86.6% Hungarians (Behar) + 13.4% Cypriots (Behar) @ 2.48
15 82.4% Hungarians (Behar) + 17.6% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 2.51
16 79.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 20.9% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2.52
17 88.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 11.8% Armenian (Dodecad) @ 2.54
18 66.7% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 33.3% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 2.57
19 88.3% Hungarians (Behar) + 11.7% Armenians (Behar) @ 2.58
20 84.8% Hungarians (Behar) + 15.2% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 2.61
Benyzero
08-24-2019, 05:59 PM
North_Atlantic 31.92 Pct
Baltic 32.14 Pct
West_Med 16.99 Pct
West_Asian 4.66 Pct
East_Med 11.60 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 0.55 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.15 Pct
Amerindian 0.28 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.72 Pct
Pribislav
08-24-2019, 06:08 PM
Aye's father (Dalmatian Serb) K13 Eurogenes
1 Baltic 31.47
2 North_Atlantic 24.12
3 West_Med 17.07
4 East_Med 15.22
5 West_Asian 9.07
6 Amerinidian 1.16
7 South_Asian 0.66
8 Red_Sea 0.64
9 East_Asian 0.27
10 Sub-Saharan 0.27
11 Oceanian 0.05
Other Dalmatian Serb K13 Eurogenes
1 Baltic 29.3
2 North_Atlantic 28.69
3 East_Med 16.26
4 West_Med 14.98
5 West_Asian 5.98
6 Red_Sea 2.86
7 Siberian 1.51
8 South_Asian 0.41
vbnetkhio
08-24-2019, 06:18 PM
i will be only phoneposting now for some time. somebody continue my work if you want. this is what i have currently
southern_cro_1 409 -199
southern_cro_2 494 -204
PAGANE 521 -322
Ford 445 -202
bih.serb1 479 -243
bih.serb2 428 -224
cro.serb 478 -223
PAGANE_brother 577 -320
PAGANE_mother 552 -342
Albanian_Croatia 506 -315
i 464 -227
Croat_BiH 470 -239
Feiichy_father 459 -198
ph2ter 434 -158
Feiichy_husband 500 -209
ph2ter_wife 466 -172
Feiichy 420 -183
Ljubic 452 -222
Hrvoje 426 -187
Impaler 678 -351
Feiichy_mother 438 -201
CommonSense 499 -235
Dušan 478 -211
Kaspias 772 -335
Macedonian1 544 -282
Thracian 688 -361
Dalm_Coast_Croat 441 -200
Banija_Serb 448 -214
Centr_Croat 503 -188
Dalm_Serb 476 -238
vbnetkhio
08-24-2019, 06:21 PM
also this (replace the spaces with tabs and paste it in excel.)
Column1 North_Sea Atlantic Baltic Eastern_Euro West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian Southeast_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian Northeast_African Sub-Saharan
Dalmatia_Serb 12.92 20.33 18.42 11.9 13.1 7.27 11.58 2.56 0 0.26 1.16 0.12 0.39 0 0
Thracian 14.86 8.66 10.82 7.34 12.29 16.19 18.25 4.93 4.2 0 2.38 0.09 0 0 0
Macedonian1 15.22 13.46 15.14 12.13 13.35 10.23 16.41 2.87 0 0.92 0.28 0 0 0 0
Banija_Serb 16.4 19.2 20 13.54 10.68 4.9 10.99 3.5 0 0 0.79 0 0 0 0
Impaler 17.64 13.12 14.75 3.95 6.41 11.39 23.01 0.34 6.9 0.36 1.54 0 0 0.16 0.41
Central_Croat 19.45 12.04 22.73 16.69 11.28 8.04 6.56 0.87 1.13 0 1.21 0 0 0 0
southern_cro_1 19.85 15.82 25.02 9.91 13.44 3.89 9.03 1.61 0.48 0 0.62 0 0 0.1 0.23
Dalm_Coast_Croat 20.18 21.58 14.62 14.94 10.98 5.03 8.69 1.29 1.11 0 0.97 0.16 0.43 0 0.02
southern_cro_2 21.012 9.277 19.993 17.484 13.365 5.98 10.116 1.79 0 0.481 0.01 0.3211 0.1313 0 0.2412
Feiichy_husband 21.63 16.56 18.4 12.34 9.46 10.01 7.1 0.23 1.89 0 1.36 0.53 0 0.5 0
Hrvoje 25.1 17 19.52 10.91 8.93 9.64 6.77 0.97 0 0 0 0.87 0.13 0 0.15
Feiichy_father 26.36 11.22 21 11.15 11.94 5.87 10.39 0 0 1.14 0 0.8 0 0.13 0
Feiichy_mother 26.61 11.58 19.27 11.87 11.65 8.25 7.72 2.74 0.33 0 0 0 0 0 0
Feiichy 27.55 12.01 20.72 11.2 11.68 9.04 7.47 0 0 0 0.28 0 0 0 0
btw post more k13&k15 2-way oracles,(52.3%Bulgaria+47.7% German) i think that's more informative than anything else
Pribislav
08-24-2019, 06:28 PM
Other Dalmatian Serb K13 Eurogenes
1 Baltic 29.3
2 North_Atlantic 28.69
3 East_Med 16.26
4 West_Med 14.98
5 West_Asian 5.98
6 Red_Sea 2.86
7 Siberian 1.51
8 South_Asian 0.41
His K15 Eurogenes.
1 Atlantic 19.04
2 Baltic 18.7
3 North_Sea 17.96
4 Eastern_Euro 12.11
5 East_Med 10.61
6 West_Med 10.37
7 West_Asian 7.31
8 Red_Sea 3.52
9 Siberian 0.43
1 58.7% Polish + 41.3% Italian_Abruzzo @ 1.86
2 50.9% Belarussian + 49.1% Tuscan @ 2.01
3 54.3% Russian_Smolensk + 45.7% Tuscan @ 2.01
4 55.5% Polish + 44.5% Tuscan @ 2.19
5 64.3% South_Polish + 35.7% West_Sicilian @ 2.27
6 59.7% South_Polish + 40.3% Tuscan @ 2.28
7 60.3% Polish + 39.7% West_Sicilian @ 2.4
8 52.5% Southwest_Russian + 47.5% Tuscan @ 2.5
9 62.9% South_Polish + 37.1% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.5
10 50.7% Estonian_Polish + 49.3 % Tuscan @ 2.54
Dušan
08-24-2019, 06:39 PM
btw post more k13&k15 2-way oracles,(52.3%Bulgaria+47.7% German) i think that's more informative than anything else
K13 mixed oracle
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.4% Moldavian + 6.6% Sardinian @ 3.52
2 60.5% Ukrainian + 39.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.89
3 67.8% Ukrainian + 32.2% Central_Greek @ 4.09
4 54.2% Bulgarian + 45.8% Ukrainian @ 4.12
5 94.6% Moldavian + 5.4% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.15
6 72.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 27.8% Sardinian @ 4.16
7 90.5% Moldavian + 9.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.16
8 71.1% Ukrainian + 28.9% South_Italian @ 4.17
9 84.3% Moldavian + 15.7% Bulgarian @ 4.19
10 93.9% Moldavian + 6.1% Ashkenazi @ 4.23
11 68.8% Ukrainian + 31.2% East_Sicilian @ 4.23
12 62.8% Ukrainian_Lviv + 37.2% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.24
13 95.1% Moldavian + 4.9% Italian_Jewish @ 4.24
14 93.7% Moldavian + 6.3% Central_Greek @ 4.27
15 93.9% Moldavian + 6.1% East_Sicilian @ 4.27
16 94.6% Moldavian + 5.4% South_Italian @ 4.27
17 94% Moldavian + 6% West_Sicilian @ 4.28
18 95.9% Moldavian + 4.1% Cyprian @ 4.29
19 95.9% Moldavian + 4.1% Tunisian @ 4.29
20 96% Moldavian + 4% Moroccan @ 4.3
K15 mixed oracle
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 80% Croatian + 20% Greek @ 3.08
2 67.8% Croatian + 32.2% Bulgarian @ 3.21
3 63.6% Bulgarian + 36.4% Estonian_Polish @ 3.25
4 90.1% Croatian + 9.9% Cyprian @ 3.53
5 60.1% Bulgarian + 39.9% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.56
6 61.1% South_Polish + 38.9% Greek @ 3.58
7 85.4% Croatian + 14.6% Central_Greek @ 3.59
8 60.5% Bulgarian + 39.5% Polish @ 3.6
9 56.6% Bulgarian + 43.4% Ukrainian @ 3.62
10 87.2% Croatian + 12.8% South_Italian @ 3.62
11 55.5% Bulgarian + 44.5% South_Polish @ 3.68
12 89.1% Croatian + 10.9% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.7
13 81.7% Croatian + 18.3% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.71
14 56.2% Polish + 43.8% Greek @ 3.72
15 60.1% Ukrainian + 39.9% Greek @ 3.73
16 86.3% Croatian + 13.7% East_Sicilian @ 3.73
17 64.3% Bulgarian + 35.7% Belorussian @ 3.77
18 52.6% Estonian_Polish + 47.4% Greek @ 3.78
19 61.8% Bulgarian + 38.2% Southwest_Russian @ 3.81
20 89.2% Croatian + 10.8% Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.81
Bolded ratio Slavic vs paleo-Balkanic
K36
https://i.imgur.com/ljAxevh.png
Pribislav
08-24-2019, 06:46 PM
HungryLion (Krajina/Banija Serb).
K13 Eurogenes
1 Baltic 33.25
2 North_Atlantic 28.71
3 West_Med 15.85
4 East_Med 12.81
5 West_Asian 6.84
6 Red_Sea 1.71
7 Siberian 0.67
8 Oceanian 0.15
His K36 map
https://i.imgur.com/mJ4SS9v.png
More details about his results https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?277615-Krajina-Serb-(from-Banija)-results&p=5887747&viewfull=1#post5887747
Benyzero
08-24-2019, 06:57 PM
HungryLion (Krajina/Banija Serb).
K13 Eurogenes
1 Baltic 33.25
2 North_Atlantic 28.71
3 West_Med 15.85
4 East_Med 12.81
5 West_Asian 6.84
6 Red_Sea 1.71
7 Siberian 0.67
8 Oceanian 0.15
His K36 map
https://i.imgur.com/mJ4SS9v.png
More details about his results https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?277615-Krajina-Serb-(from-Banija)-results&p=5887747&viewfull=1#post5887747
Looks like your component is close to the hungarian average
Pribislav
08-24-2019, 06:58 PM
Looks like your component is close to the hungarian average
Those are results of user HungryLion, not mine. Look at on link.
Benyzero
08-24-2019, 07:02 PM
oh okay
vbnetkhio
08-24-2019, 07:37 PM
HungryLion (Krajina/Banija Serb).
K13 Eurogenes
1 Baltic 33.25
2 North_Atlantic 28.71
3 West_Med 15.85
4 East_Med 12.81
5 West_Asian 6.84
6 Red_Sea 1.71
7 Siberian 0.67
8 Oceanian 0.15
His K36 map
https://i.imgur.com/mJ4SS9v.png
More details about his results https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?277615-Krajina-Serb-(from-Banija)-results&p=5887747&viewfull=1#post5887747
Does he have close Austrian or Hungarian relatives on gedmatch?
Pribislav
08-24-2019, 08:22 PM
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Pribislav
08-24-2019, 08:30 PM
Does he have close Austrian or Hungarian relatives on gedmatch?
Here are his matches https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?277615-Krajina-Serb-(from-Banija)-results&p=5796227&viewfull=1#post5796227
Pribislav
08-24-2019, 09:16 PM
K15 Eurogenes of other Serb from Banija.
1 North_Sea 19.73
2 Baltic 18.35
3 Atlantic 16.18
4 West_Med 12.99
5 Eastern_Euro 12.97
6 East_Med 10.47
7 West_Asian 9.01
8 Red_Sea 0.21
9 Siberian 0.08
10 South_Asian 0.01
https://i.imgur.com/0SPuOLR.png
Kayra
08-25-2019, 10:07 AM
Can you add me too?
Eurogenes K13
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 25.96
2 Baltic 18.75
3 East_Med 15.78
4 West_Med 13.86
5 West_Asian 12.63
6 Siberian 5.37
7 East_Asian 3.22
8 Red_Sea 2.88
9 South_Asian 1.32
10 Oceanian 0.23
K15
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 17.40
2 Atlantic 15.11
3 East_Med 13.91
4 West_Asian 11.09
5 Baltic 11.07
6 West_Med 10.22
7 Eastern_Euro 9.74
8 Siberian 4.46
9 Southeast_Asian 3.04
10 Red_Sea 2.73
11 South_Asian 1.14
vbnetkhio
08-25-2019, 09:48 PM
update
zoomed out
https://imgur.com/fUG6Is2.png
zoomed in
https://imgur.com/sp1eme4.png
https://imgur.com/Vo3UOBy.png
https://imgur.com/K8BL4sT.png
southern_cro2 and scientific Herz. Croat sample overlap but it's a coincidence because the later is like Hungarian but pulled down by south Asian admixture
kits used:
BW5201028 Austrian
NW6196460 Central Wielkopolska Merged Data1
H614933 bih.serb2
Z059340 croatBHCB12_1m(Bosnia)
UR9122953 Behar 2013 Pole1 Mazovia
T787467 Belarus
Z799298 Bosnian_10(Bosniak)
KC3517206 serb_slavonia
A119993 bih.serb1
T511884 Albanian
Z728548 croatBHCHZ11_1m(Herz)
Z305488 albanian_Croatia_Cro344
CommonSense
08-25-2019, 10:11 PM
I don't think you typed in The Devil's Advocate's results correctly. He should be right next to Stears and that Herzegovinian Croat.
vbnetkhio
08-25-2019, 10:18 PM
I don't think you typed in The Devil's Advocate's results correctly. He should be right next to Stears and that Herzegovinian Croat.
he posted sorted results from oracle, they only add up to 98. it has to be at least 99.99 to work properly(Important: make sure that your total components is near to 100 (99.99 to 100.01)! )
he should post full
bained
08-26-2019, 02:26 AM
Add me on the PCA please, I usually get the Adriatic on these plots https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?289464-New-Bulgarian
vbnetkhio
08-26-2019, 12:44 PM
Add me on the PCA please, I usually get the Adriatic on these plots https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?289464-New-Bulgarian
here
https://i.imgur.com/5gkBTYM.png
https://i.imgur.com/AbZKx0F.png
you are west shifted, but Albanians are west of you.
Ljubic and Ayetooey's father names overlap.
this kit plots very close to Feiichy's husband: Hungarian T095921
vbnetkhio
08-26-2019, 03:02 PM
added all the Bosniaks from the random gedmatch kits thread
https://i.imgur.com/dCN10K3.png
this kit plots very close to Feiichy's husband: Hungarian T095921
Thanks! Do you know this person regional origins ?
"sample": "Bosnian:Average",
"fit": 1.1412,
"Russian_Kursk": 43.33,
"Albanian": 39.17,
"Swiss_German": 17.5
"sample": "Croatian:Average",
"fit": 0.9255,
"Russian_Kursk": 44.17,
"Swiss_German": 35.83,
"Albanian": 20
"sample": "Montenegrin:Average",
"fit": 0.8717,
"Albanian": 48.33,
"Swiss_German": 26.67,
"Russian_Kursk": 25
"sample": "Serbian:Average",
"fit": 1.0355,
"Albanian": 56.67,
"Russian_Kursk": 25.83,
"Swiss_German": 17.5
this kit plots very close to Feiichy's husband: Hungarian T095921
I have a match with this person. I also match with one of the Bosnian Serbs.
vbnetkhio
08-26-2019, 03:21 PM
Thanks! Do you know this person regional origins ?
I got confused, he actually overlaps with the Herzegovinian Croats, not with your husband, but still very close. Cumansky posted that kit, ask him.
I got confused, he actually overlaps with the Herzegovinian Croats, not with your husband, but still very close. Cumansky posted that kit, ask him.
Okay, thanks. I suspect another half Székely.
CommonSense
08-26-2019, 03:37 PM
"sample": "Bosnian:Average",
"fit": 1.1412,
"Russian_Kursk": 43.33,
"Albanian": 39.17,
"Swiss_German": 17.5
"sample": "Croatian:Average",
"fit": 0.9255,
"Russian_Kursk": 44.17,
"Swiss_German": 35.83,
"Albanian": 20
"sample": "Montenegrin:Average",
"fit": 0.8717,
"Albanian": 48.33,
"Swiss_German": 26.67,
"Russian_Kursk": 25
"sample": "Serbian:Average",
"fit": 1.0355,
"Albanian": 56.67,
"Russian_Kursk": 25.83,
"Swiss_German": 17.5
This makes no sense. Motenegrins are absolutely closer to Albanians compared to the rest of the rest of the Serbian nation and the diferences between Serbs and Croats are not that vast.
This makes no sense. Motenegrins are absolutely closer to Albanians compared to the rest of the rest of the Serbian nation and the diferences between Serbs and Croats are not that vast.
I don't know, man. That's how nMonte works. I think all three pops have Steppe ancestry, even the Albanians, so those components are not entirely separate from each other.
Without Swiss German:
"sample": "Bosnian:Average",
"fit": 1.2779,
"Albanian": 50.83,
"Russian_Kursk": 49.17
"sample": "Croatian:Average",
"fit": 1.5844,
"Russian_Kursk": 56.67,
"Albanian": 43.33
"sample": "Montenegrin:Average",
"fit": 1.3047,
"Albanian": 63.33,
"Russian_Kursk": 36.67
"sample": "Serbian:Average",
"fit": 1.2124,
"Albanian": 65.83,
"Russian_Kursk": 34.17
Dušan
08-26-2019, 03:47 PM
I don't know, man. That's how nMonte works. I think all three pops have Steppe ancestry, even the Albanians, so those components are not entirely separate from each other.
Without Swiss German:
"sample": "Bosnian:Average",
"fit": 1.2779,
"Albanian": 50.83,
"Russian_Kursk": 49.17
"sample": "Croatian:Average",
"fit": 1.5844,
"Russian_Kursk": 56.67,
"Albanian": 43.33
"sample": "Montenegrin:Average",
"fit": 1.3047,
"Albanian": 63.33,
"Russian_Kursk": 36.67
"sample": "Serbian:Average",
"fit": 1.2124,
"Albanian": 65.83,
"Russian_Kursk": 34.17
Thats false result.
I got cca 60% Ukraine/Poland + 40% Greece in several calculators.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?299002-South-Slavic-amp-neighbours-Eurogenes-results&p=6202306&viewfull=1#post6202306
If we consider that I am bit northern-shifted, average for Serbs is 55-60% Ukraine/Poland + 40-45% Greece.
CommonSense
08-26-2019, 03:47 PM
I don't know, man. That's how nMonte works. I think all three pops have Steppe ancestry, even the Albanians, so those components are not entirely separate from each other.
Without Swiss German:
"sample": "Bosnian:Average",
"fit": 1.2779,
"Albanian": 50.83,
"Russian_Kursk": 49.17
"sample": "Croatian:Average",
"fit": 1.5844,
"Russian_Kursk": 56.67,
"Albanian": 43.33
"sample": "Montenegrin:Average",
"fit": 1.3047,
"Albanian": 63.33,
"Russian_Kursk": 36.67
"sample": "Serbian:Average",
"fit": 1.2124,
"Albanian": 65.83,
"Russian_Kursk": 34.17
This is easier to read, I admit, but still not accurate. There is no way in hell Montenegrins have more northern European DNA compared to other Serbs. For example, on Eurogenes k13 I've never seen a Montenegrin kit that got more than 53% NA + Baltic.
Who made these samples anyway and whose results are they based on?
This makes no sense. Motenegrins are absolutely closer to Albanians compared to the rest of the rest of the Serbian nation and the diferences between Serbs and Croats are not that vast.
I like G25(mostly for ancient samples) but there’s something off here. I am Montenegrin according to this
1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
Montenegrin Bosnian
0.1767671 0.1838585
Serbian Romanian
0.1899644 0.2252163
Macedonian Croatian
0.2542113 0.2869295
Bulgarian Moldavian
0.2871067 0.3081702
Slovenian Hungarian
0.3176610 0.3361009
Gagauz Austrian
0.3516136 0.3653736
Czech French_East
0.4769790 0.4864511
Albanian German
0.5087095 0.5097407
Swiss_German German_East
0.5132023 0.5154187
Slovakian Belgian
0.5191757 0.5492388
Greek French
0.5560449 0.5594474
Swiss_French Swiss_Italian
0.5699447 0.5714237
Polish Ukrainian
0.6138318 0.6204497
CommonSense
08-26-2019, 03:50 PM
I like G25(mostly for ancient samples) but there’s something off here. I am Montenegrin according to this
1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
Montenegrin Bosnian
0.1767671 0.1838585
Serbian Romanian
0.1899644 0.2252163
Macedonian Croatian
0.2542113 0.2869295
Bulgarian Moldavian
0.2871067 0.3081702
Slovenian Hungarian
0.3176610 0.3361009
Gagauz Austrian
0.3516136 0.3653736
Czech French_East
0.4769790 0.4864511
Albanian German
0.5087095 0.5097407
Swiss_German German_East
0.5132023 0.5154187
Slovakian Belgian
0.5191757 0.5492388
Greek French
0.5560449 0.5594474
Swiss_French Swiss_Italian
0.5699447 0.5714237
Polish Ukrainian
0.6138318 0.6204497
Can you model yourself with nMonte the way Leto did?
Cumansky
08-26-2019, 06:57 PM
Is that the Greek that plot with Gagauz, Bulgarians and Romanians the one I posted?
vbnetkhio
08-26-2019, 07:01 PM
Is that the Greek that plot with Gagauz, Bulgarians and Romanians the one I posted?
It's a Macedonian Greek from random gedmatch kits thread. The other 2 are Thessalian and Central.
Is that the Greek that plot with Gagauz, Bulgarians and Romanians the one I posted?
Do you know where Hungarian plotting close to Stears is from ?
vbnetkhio
08-26-2019, 07:36 PM
Is that the Greek that plot with Gagauz, Bulgarians and Romanians the one I posted?
added all kits you posted that weren't there, and a couple of Bulgarians
https://i.imgur.com/kmiLRhw.png
vbnetkhio
08-26-2019, 07:39 PM
Do you know where Hungarian plotting close to Stears is from ?
sent you his gedmatch profile, maybe that helps.
You could contact him.
Cumansky
08-26-2019, 07:43 PM
Do you know where Hungarian plotting close to Stears is from ?
From Eastern Hungary or Romania, is one of my closest matches I match close their other family too.
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Cumansky
08-26-2019, 07:53 PM
sent you his gedmatch profile, maybe that helps.
You could contact him.
They have Yugos at the top of their matchlist
CommonSense
08-26-2019, 08:37 PM
OP, do you have any kits from southern or eastern Serbia?
vbnetkhio
08-26-2019, 08:47 PM
OP, do you have any kits from southern or eastern Serbia?
No. But I think the Serbs on the pca in my first post in this thread could be from there, look where they plot.
vbnetkhio
08-26-2019, 08:53 PM
OP, do you have any kits from southern or eastern Serbia?
***** probably has those kits
safinator
08-26-2019, 09:02 PM
KOSOVAR ALBANIAN K15
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 20.21
2 West_Med 17.19
3 North_Sea 15.05
4 Atlantic 13.93
5 Baltic 13.69
6 West_Asian 10.59
7 Eastern_Euro 8.01
8 Red_Sea 1.33
SOUTH ALBANIAN
1 East_Med 18.15
2 West_Asian 15.80
3 Atlantic 15.29
4 North_Sea 15.06
5 West_Med 14.02
6 Baltic 13.57
7 Eastern_Euro 6.24
8 Red_Sea 1.88
ALBANIAN FROM MONTENEGRO
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 18.57
2 North_Sea 18.23
3 Atlantic 15.86
4 West_Med 15.08
5 Baltic 12.19
6 West_Asian 8.89
7 Eastern_Euro 6.18
8 Red_Sea 4.57
ALBANIAN FROM MACEDONIA
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 19.40
2 West_Med 16.69
3 Atlantic 14.69
4 West_Asian 13.04
5 North_Sea 12.07
6 Baltic 11.05
7 Eastern_Euro 8.92
8 Red_Sea 2.45
9 Southeast_Asian 1.58
CommonSense
08-26-2019, 09:07 PM
No. But I think the Serbs on the pca in my first post in this thread could be from there, look where they plot.
Yes, that's what i figured. There's also the fact that it's much more likely ***** would match Serbs from those areas than the ones from Bosnia, for example.
Oh well, guess we'll just have to wait for him to show up.
OP, do you have any kits from southern or eastern Serbia?
This guy is a mix. His father is from Zajecar and mother from Leskovac. Haplogroup I1. His distant paternal origin is from Kosovo, that’s all he knows about his family.
Population Percent
1 Baltic 21.8
2 North_Sea 18.87
3 Atlantic 15.08
4 West_Med 11.61
5 Eastern_Euro 10.79
6 East_Med 10.7
7 West_Asian 9.84
8 Red_Sea 1.31
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 32.21
2 North_Atlantic 25.09
3 West_Med 15.55
4 East_Med 15.5
5 West_Asian 9.87
6 Red_Sea 1.22
7 South_Asian 0.39
8 Siberian 0.18
Dušan
08-26-2019, 09:45 PM
This guy is a mix. His father is from Zajecar and mother from Leskovac. Haplogroup I1. His distant paternal origin is from Kosovo, that’s all he knows about his family.
Population Percent
1 Baltic 21.8
2 North_Sea 18.87
3 Atlantic 15.08
4 West_Med 11.61
5 Eastern_Euro 10.79
6 East_Med 10.7
7 West_Asian 9.84
8 Red_Sea 1.31
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 32.21
2 North_Atlantic 25.09
3 West_Med 15.55
4 East_Med 15.5
5 West_Asian 9.87
6 Red_Sea 1.22
7 South_Asian 0.39
8 Siberian 0.18
https://i.imgur.com/AXPNV2C.jpg
CommonSense
08-26-2019, 10:04 PM
This guy is a mix. His father is from Zajecar and mother from Leskovac. Haplogroup I1. His distant paternal origin is from Kosovo, that’s all he knows about his family.
Population Percent
1 Baltic 21.8
2 North_Sea 18.87
3 Atlantic 15.08
4 West_Med 11.61
5 Eastern_Euro 10.79
6 East_Med 10.7
7 West_Asian 9.84
8 Red_Sea 1.31
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 32.21
2 North_Atlantic 25.09
3 West_Med 15.55
4 East_Med 15.5
5 West_Asian 9.87
6 Red_Sea 1.22
7 South_Asian 0.39
8 Siberian 0.18
Cool. Extremely similar K13 components to this man who's father is from Bela Palanka county and his mother from Šumadija (the kit number is in that thread too):
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?268509-Origin-and-identity-of-the-Macedonian-people&p=5799991&viewfull=1#post5799991
So ~33% Baltic is the highest percentage any Serb has scored so far?
Pribislav
08-26-2019, 10:08 PM
So ~33% Baltic is the highest percentage any Serb has scored so far?
Dušan is recorder with 33.8%, from what I have seen.
CommonSense
08-26-2019, 10:14 PM
Dušan is recorder with 33.8%, from what I have seen.
I noticed a lot of Bosnian muslims tend to get ~ 35% Baltic, but a low North Atlantic score. Ironic, considering how much they despise being Slavic and sport a Neo-Illyrian identity.
Pribislav
08-26-2019, 10:17 PM
I noticed a lot of Bosnian muslims tend to get ~ 35% Baltic, but a low North Atlantic score. Ironic, considering how much they despise being Slavic and sport a Neo-Illyrian identity.
Some BiH muslims claim Gothic origin. :lol: One muslim troll girl which was present on Krstarica was obsessed with Gothic origin.
Dušan is recorder with 33.8%, from what I have seen.
He is pretty 'Slavic' by looks too. For example Bosniensis' looks wouldn't be considred 'Slavic' in Russia.
Cumansky
08-26-2019, 10:21 PM
This Pole from Ivano-Frankivsk has lowest Baltic I ever seen for Pole 37.04
He get Croatian #1, Moldovan #2
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Pribislav
08-26-2019, 10:22 PM
He is pretty 'Slavic' by looks too. For example Bosniensis' looks wouldn't be considred 'Slavic' in Russia.
I think Bosniensis is 28% Baltic, or something.
Interesting, Dušan and Bosniensis have a match in y dna.
Some BiH muslims claim Gothic origin. :lol: One muslim troll girl which was present on Krstarica was obsessed with Gothic origin.
Supposedly Zepce was named after the Gepids, no joke, from what some have claimed
Pribislav
08-26-2019, 10:26 PM
Supposedly Zepce was named after the Gepids, no joke, from what some have claimed
Muslim troll girl from Krstarica is from Gacko https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gacko
She say Gacko is Gotsko, from Gothic settlers in the early middle age. She also say that her grear-grandfather was Germanic looking, and Kotromanići were of Gothic origin. :)
In Croats I think 37% is the highest I've seen - that was Max Soldo. He refused to post other calculators for some reason when I asked him. But 37% is a lot for the region. I posted a Southwestern Ukrainian family and they were in that range (Moldovan-shifted).
CommonSense
08-26-2019, 10:35 PM
Muslim troll girl from Krstarica is from Gacko https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gacko
She say Gacko is Gotsko, from Gothic settlers in the early middle age. She also say that her grear-grandfather was Germanic looking, and Kotromanići were of Gothic origin. :)
Gacko is literally core Serbian territory. There is only one ethnicity her ancestors could have been :D
Cumansky
08-26-2019, 10:35 PM
This Pole from Ivano-Frankivsk has lowest Baltic I ever seen for Pole 37.04
He get Croatian #1, Moldovan #2
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And origin of his surname
"Wiśniewski(Polish pronunciation:[viɕˈɲɛfskʲi]; feminine:Wiśniewska, pluralWiśniewscy) is the thirdmost commonsurnameinPoland(111,174 people in 2009).[1]The name roughly translates to "from the town of the cherry tree". The English transliterated equivalentVishnevskiis common among other Slavic people: Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians and others. In non-slavic Romania, the name took the Latin derived suffix–escu, asVișinescu(orVișnescu), and in Lithuania isVyšniauskas.
History
House of Wiśniowiecki, a Polish princely family of Ruthenian-Lithuanian origin"
CommonSense
08-26-2019, 10:43 PM
Here's a close relative of the guy whose results I linked. He is from the same village as that man's mother. Somebody plot him, please:
K13
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 32.48
2 North_Atlantic 27.03
3 West_Med 15.27
4 East_Med 13.77
5 West_Asian 10.42
6 Siberian 0.79
7 East_Asian 0.2
8 Amerindian 0.03
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 4.47
2 Serbian 5.52
3 Croatian 5.74
4 Hungarian 6.75
5 Romanian 8.76
6 Austrian 10.8
7 Bulgarian 10.85
8 East_German 11.67
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 12.02
10 South_Polish 12.23
11 Ukrainian 13.02
12 Polish 16
13 Southwest_Russian 16.32
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 16.48
15 West_German 17.51
16 Russian_Smolensk 18.12
17 Estonian_Polish 18.71
18 South_Dutch 19.01
19 Belorussian 19.18
20 Greek_Thessaly 19.77
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 53.1% Bulgarian + 46.9% South_Polish @ 1.98
2 58.6% Romanian + 41.4% South_Polish @ 2.1
3 60.3% Romanian + 39.7% Ukrainian @ 2.39
4 68.9% South_Polish + 31.1% Central_Greek @ 2.41
5 72% South_Polish + 28% South_Italian @ 2.5
6 65.3% Romanian + 34.7% Polish @ 2.5
7 73.8% Romanian + 26.2% Lithuanian @ 2.64
8 62.1% South_Polish + 37.9% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.66
9 62.1% Croatian + 37.9% Romanian @ 2.67
10 77.1% Serbian + 22.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.68
11 66.7% Ukrainian + 33.3% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.68
12 60% Bulgarian + 40% Polish @ 2.69
13 68.3% Romanian + 31.7% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.72
14 73.3% Romanian + 26.7% Estonian @ 2.75
15 67.6% Croatian + 32.4% Bulgarian @ 2.76
16 69.5% Romanian + 30.5% Belorussian @ 2.76
17 72.7% Serbian + 27.3% Ukrainian @ 2.78
18 68.2% South_Polish + 31.8% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.8
19 77.2% Serbian + 22.8% Southwest_Russian @ 2.81
20 68.5% Bulgarian + 31.5% Estonian @ 2.83
K15
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 22.24
2 Baltic 22.14
3 Atlantic 12.74
4 Eastern_Euro 11.38
5 East_Med 11.08
6 West_Med 11.07
7 West_Asian 9.34
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 6
2 Hungarian 6.88
3 Croatian 7.91
4 Serbian 8.39
5 Romanian 9.16
6 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.73
7 Austrian 10.91
8 Bulgarian 11.56
9 Ukrainian 11.87
10 South_Polish 11.98
11 East_German 12.29
12 Polish 15.01
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 15.71
14 Russian_Smolensk 15.93
15 Southwest_Russian 16.26
16 West_German 17.47
17 Greek_Thessaly 17.55
18 Belorussian 17.7
19 Finnish 17.86
20 Southwest_Finnish 17.91
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 63.3% Ukrainian_Lviv + 36.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.22
2 60.7% Ukrainian + 39.3% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.43
3 71.1% Ukrainian_Lviv + 28.9% Central_Greek @ 4.61
4 74% Ukrainian_Lviv + 26% South_Italian @ 4.67
5 51.8% Greek_Thessaly + 48.2% Estonian @ 4.7
6 60.5% South_Polish + 39.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.71
7 68.7% Ukrainian + 31.3% Central_Greek @ 4.84
8 55.2% Romanian + 44.8% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.89
9 70.8% Ukrainian_Lviv + 29.2% Italian_Abruzzo @ 4.89
10 71.7% Ukrainian + 28.3% South_Italian @ 4.92
11 72.2% Ukrainian_Lviv + 27.8% East_Sicilian @ 4.95
12 58.5% Romanian + 41.5% Ukrainian @ 5.06
13 90.1% Hungarian + 9.9% Armenian @ 5.15
14 69.8% Ukrainian + 30.2% East_Sicilian @ 5.16
15 68.4% Ukrainian + 31.6% Italian_Abruzzo @ 5.17
16 90.2% Hungarian + 9.8% Assyrian @ 5.21
17 52.4% Ukrainian_Lviv + 47.6% Bulgarian @ 5.23
18 90.4% Hungarian + 9.6% Georgian_Jewish @ 5.26
19 67% Ukrainian_Lviv + 33% Greek @ 5.27
20 77% Ukrainian_Lviv + 23% Italian_Jewish @ 5.31
Pribislav
08-26-2019, 10:44 PM
Gacko is literally core Serbian territory. There is only one ethnicity her ancestors could have been :D
I know.
Many Serbs from various regions have deeper origin from Gacko, Bileća, Stolac, Ljubinje, Trebinje, Nevesinje, Piva, Banjani, Drobnjaci, Rudine/Krivošije and Nikšić areas (East and Old Herzegovina).
She is perma banned on Krstarica about 3 motnhs ago, after the years of trolling and spreading anti-Serbian bullshits.
Cumansky
08-26-2019, 10:54 PM
I noticed a lot of Bosnian muslims tend to get ~ 35% Baltic, but a low North Atlantic score. Ironic, considering how much they despise being Slavic and sport a Neo-Illyrian identity.
Maybe they my bloodline don't be trying diss them
"Polesare one of 17 constitutionally recognizedethnic minoritiesinBosnia and Herzegovina. They arrived during theAustro-Hungarian rule in Bosnia and Herzegovinaand settled mostly in the north ofBosnia proper, bringing new technology and skilled manpower. Their destiny was tied closely to that of theUkrainianminority, with whom they joined theYugoslav Resistanceafter theAxis invasion of Yugoslavia. After theSecond World War, Bosnian Poles faced difficulties with establishing their rights as a minority as well as persecution by local population and remainingfascistcollaborators. This forced a vast majority to answer the Polish government's call for repatriation. There were around 30,000 Poles in Bosnia and Herzegovina in 1930, while their number today is estimated to be less than a thousand, with communities in the major cities ofSarajevo,Banja Luka,ZenicaandMostar."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poles_in_Bosnia_and_Herzegovina
Pribislav
08-26-2019, 11:00 PM
Maybe they my bloodline don't be trying diss them
"Polesare one of 17 constitutionally recognizedethnic minoritiesinBosnia and Herzegovina. They arrived during theAustro-Hungarian rule in Bosnia and Herzegovinaand settled mostly in the north ofBosnia proper, bringing new technology and skilled manpower. Their destiny was tied closely to that of theUkrainianminority, with whom they joined theYugoslav Resistanceafter theAxis invasion of Yugoslavia. After theSecond World War, Bosnian Poles faced difficulties with establishing their rights as a minority as well as persecution by local population and remainingfascistcollaborators. This forced a vast majority to answer the Polish government's call for repatriation. There were around 30,000 Poles in Bosnia and Herzegovina in 1930, while their number today is estimated to be less than a thousand, with communities in the major cities ofSarajevo,Banja Luka,ZenicaandMostar."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poles_in_Bosnia_and_Herzegovina
Most of people in Bosnia with Ukrainian, Polish, Slovak, German, Italian and Czech origin live in Prnjavor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prnjavor,_Bosnia_and_Herzegovina
Ukrainians in Prnjavor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_deBcd0_KeQ
Cumansky
08-26-2019, 11:03 PM
Most of people in Bosnia with Ukrainian, Polish, Slovak, German, Italian and Czech origin live in Prnjavor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prnjavor,_Bosnia_and_Herzegovina
Ukrainian minority in Prnjavor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_deBcd0_KeQ
How many got assimilated tho and lost their identity? I think alot, no? And your country has much less population too only in single millions
I have found Max Soldo's results. He fucking left the forum, so it seams.
K13
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 37.56
2 North_Atlantic 25.91
3 West_Med 13.55
4 East_Med 11.86
5 West_Asian 6.66
6 Red_Sea 2.05
7 Amerindian 0.73
8 East_Asian 0.64
9 Siberian 0.56
10 South_Asian 0.47
11 Sub-Saharan 0.01
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 3.21
2 Moldavian 5.17
3 Ukrainian_Lviv 7.2
4 Hungarian 7.92
5 South_Polish 8.04
6 Ukrainian 8.08
7 Serbian 10.22
8 Polish 11.11
9 Southwest_Russian 11.15
10 Ukrainian_Belgorod 11.66
11 East_German 12.08
12 Austrian 12.42
13 Russian_Smolensk 12.85
14 Estonian_Polish 13.19
15 Romanian 13.77
16 Belorussian 13.8
17 Bulgarian 15.55
18 Kargopol_Russian 15.79
19 Southwest_Finnish 17.39
20 Erzya 17.44
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54.2% Estonian_Polish + 45.8% Bulgarian @ 1.5
2 83.6% Ukrainian + 16.4% Italian_Jewish @ 1.57
3 63.6% Lithuanian + 36.4% West_Sicilian @ 1.57
4 80.7% Ukrainian + 19.3% Ashkenazi @ 1.58
5 64.9% Estonian_Polish + 35.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.58
6 53% Belorussian + 47% Bulgarian @ 1.61
7 51.1% Estonian_Polish + 48.9% Romanian @ 1.63
8 63.8% Belorussian + 36.2% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.65
9 70.9% Estonian_Polish + 29.1% West_Sicilian @ 1.67
10 83.7% Ukrainian + 16.3% Sephardic_Jewish @ 1.72
11 73.1% Estonian_Polish + 26.9% South_Italian @ 1.72
12 84.7% Ukrainian + 15.3% Tunisian_Jewish @ 1.74
13 57% Lithuanian + 43% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.74
14 83.6% Ukrainian + 16.4% Algerian_Jewish @ 1.76
15 70.1% Estonian_Polish + 29.9% Italian_Abruzzo @ 1.82
16 75.1% Polish + 24.9% Ashkenazi @ 1.86
17 70.5% Estonian_Polish + 29.5% Central_Greek @ 1.87
18 84.8% Ukrainian + 15.2% Libyan_Jewish @ 1.89
19 71.5% Russian_Smolensk + 28.5% West_Sicilian @ 1.89
20 54.2% Bulgarian + 45.8% Lithuanian @ 1.91
Least-squares method.
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Croatian @ 3.638055
2 Moldavian @ 5.816737
3 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 8.260010
4 Hungarian @ 9.028143
5 South_Polish @ 9.182208
6 Ukrainian @ 9.227838
7 Serbian @ 11.565655
8 Southwest_Russian @ 12.573189
9 Polish @ 12.737400
10 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 13.212790
11 East_German @ 13.901258
12 Austrian @ 14.234416
13 Russian_Smolensk @ 14.633544
14 Estonian_Polish @ 14.996794
15 Belorussian @ 15.646497
16 Romanian @ 15.662062
17 Kargopol_Russian @ 17.596548
18 Bulgarian @ 17.735836
19 Erzya @ 19.417906
20 Southwest_Finnish @ 19.800667
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Estonian_Polish +50% Romanian @ 1.779136
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Belorussian +25% Croatian +25% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.525921
Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Belorussian + Croatian + Estonian_Polish + Greek_Thessaly @ 1.395683
2 Bulgarian + Estonian_Polish + Estonian_Polish + Serbian @ 1.439072
3 Estonian_Polish + Greek_Thessaly + Lithuanian + Serbian @ 1.455109
4 Belorussian + Estonian_Polish + South_Italian + Ukrainian @ 1.476811
5 Croatian + Estonian_Polish + Estonian_Polish + Greek_Thessaly @ 1.495454
6 Belorussian + Greek_Thessaly + Lithuanian + Serbian @ 1.505277
7 Belorussian + Belorussian + Croatian + Greek_Thessaly @ 1.525921
8 Belorussian + Belorussian + South_Italian + Ukrainian @ 1.548141
9 Estonian_Polish + Estonian_Polish + Polish + South_Italian @ 1.566728
10 Estonian_Polish + Estonian_Polish + South_Italian + Ukrainian @ 1.615616
11 Belorussian + Southwest_Russian + Ukrainian + West_Sicilian @ 1.617654
12 Estonian_Polish + Southwest_Russian + Ukrainian + West_Sicilian @ 1.617889
13 Belorussian + Bulgarian + Estonian_Polish + Serbian @ 1.627264
14 Greek_Thessaly + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Serbian @ 1.627536
15 Croatian + Estonian_Polish + Lithuanian + West_Sicilian @ 1.642035
16 Belorussian + Croatian + Greek_Thessaly + Russian_Smolensk @ 1.643572
17 Belorussian + Estonian_Polish + Polish + South_Italian @ 1.650622
18 Belorussian + East_Sicilian + Polish + Ukrainian @ 1.652182
19 Belorussian + Belorussian + Greek_Thessaly + Moldavian @ 1.654501
20 Estonian_Polish + Estonian_Polish + Ukrainian + West_Sicilian @ 1.660573
K15
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 23.01
2 North_Sea 19.29
3 Eastern_Euro 16.3
4 Atlantic 15.67
5 West_Med 9.26
6 East_Med 8.22
7 West_Asian 5.38
8 Red_Sea 2.12
9 South_Asian 0.33
10 Amerindian 0.28
11 Southeast_Asian 0.14
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 3.11
2 Moldavian 4.45
3 Hungarian 6.08
4 Ukrainian_Lviv 6.74
5 South_Polish 6.99
6 Ukrainian 7.38
7 Austrian 8.26
8 Serbian 9.04
9 Polish 9.46
10 Russian_Smolensk 10.21
11 Ukrainian_Belgorod 10.52
12 East_German 10.68
13 Southwest_Russian 10.83
14 Romanian 11.56
15 Belorussian 12.17
16 Estonian_Polish 12.26
17 Bulgarian 13.85
18 Kargopol_Russian 14.18
19 Southwest_Finnish 14.44
20 Estonian 14.44
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 69.4% Polish + 30.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.25
2 63.7% Serbian + 36.3% Lithuanian @ 1.46
3 83.9% South_Polish + 16.1% Algerian_Jewish @ 1.5
4 83.5% South_Polish + 16.5% Italian_Jewish @ 1.56
5 79.6% Ukrainian + 20.4% West_Sicilian @ 1.66
6 83.1% Ukrainian + 16.9% Sephardic_Jewish @ 1.68
7 79.8% South_Polish + 20.2% Ashkenazi @ 1.73
8 83.9% South_Polish + 16.1% Sephardic_Jewish @ 1.77
9 85.2% South_Polish + 14.8% Libyan_Jewish @ 1.79
10 74.9% Polish + 25.1% Central_Greek @ 1.8
11 74.2% Polish + 25.8% Ashkenazi @ 1.82
12 85.2% South_Polish + 14.8% Tunisian_Jewish @ 1.91
13 78.9% Ukrainian + 21.1% Italian_Abruzzo @ 1.92
14 76% South_Polish + 24% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.95
15 75.4% Polish + 24.6% East_Sicilian @ 1.95
16 83.4% Ukrainian + 16.6% Algerian_Jewish @ 1.97
17 80.9% South_Polish + 19.1% East_Sicilian @ 1.98
18 82.9% Ukrainian + 17.1% Italian_Jewish @ 1.99
19 85.9% South_Polish + 14.1% Cyprian @ 1.99
20 75.8% Ukrainian + 24.2% Greek @ 2.02
Least-squares method.
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Croatian @ 3.575072
2 Moldavian @ 5.067605
3 Hungarian @ 7.067440
4 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 7.803011
5 South_Polish @ 8.094961
6 Ukrainian @ 8.554295
7 Austrian @ 9.594248
8 Serbian @ 10.409708
9 Polish @ 10.975070
10 Russian_Smolensk @ 11.751933
11 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 12.100362
12 Southwest_Russian @ 12.422855
13 East_German @ 12.481360
14 Romanian @ 13.441813
15 Belorussian @ 13.971404
16 Estonian_Polish @ 14.181146
17 Kargopol_Russian @ 16.025404
18 Bulgarian @ 16.148697
19 Finnish @ 16.470482
20 Estonian @ 16.560123
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Serbian +50% Ukrainian @ 2.680840
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Estonian_Polish +25% Greek_Thessaly +25% Hungarian @ 1.363056
Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Estonian_Polish + Estonian_Polish + Greek_Thessaly + Hungarian @ 1.363056
2 Estonian_Polish + Italian_Abruzzo + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 1.366858
3 Ashkenazi + Polish + Polish + Ukrainian @ 1.386683
4 Central_Greek + Polish + Polish + Ukrainian @ 1.484745
5 Belorussian + Estonian_Polish + Greek_Thessaly + Hungarian @ 1.491905
6 Estonian_Polish + Greek_Thessaly + Hungarian + Southwest_Russian @ 1.493700
7 Belorussian + Italian_Abruzzo + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 1.503471
8 Belorussian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + West_Sicilian @ 1.512827
9 Central_Greek + Estonian_Polish + Polish + Ukrainian @ 1.563311
10 Estonian_Polish + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + West_Sicilian @ 1.569397
11 Greek + Polish + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 1.599997
12 Estonian_Polish + Greek_Thessaly + Hungarian + Polish @ 1.604830
13 East_Sicilian + Estonian_Polish + Polish + Ukrainian @ 1.612981
14 Southwest_Russian + Tuscan + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 1.631024
15 East_Sicilian + Polish + Polish + Ukrainian @ 1.647253
16 Belorussian + East_Sicilian + Polish + Ukrainian @ 1.700251
17 Belorussian + Central_Greek + Polish + Ukrainian @ 1.705640
18 Lithuanian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + West_Sicilian @ 1.711737
19 Greek + Polish + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 1.714528
20 Tuscan + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.714545
Pribislav
08-26-2019, 11:12 PM
How many got assimilated tho and lost their identity? I think alot, no? And your country has much less population too only in single millions
Some are assimilated, and some returned to their native countries in communist period and 1990s. Very few of them preserved fully identity of their ancestors who stayed in Prnjavor. Girl on 1:32 has Serbian surname, she say that she learn Ukrainian language and about Ukrainian culture.
Look this thread, maybe some of them look Polish and Ukrainian https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?257858-Prnjavor-(86-ethnic-Serbian-town)
Cumansky
08-26-2019, 11:20 PM
Some are assimilated, and some returned to their native countries in communist period and 1990s. Very few of them preserved fully identity of their ancestors who stayed in Prnjavor. Girl on 1:32 has Serbian surname, she say that she learn Ukrainian language and about Ukrainian culture.
Look this thread, maybe some of them look Polish and Ukrainian https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?257858-Prnjavor-(86-ethnic-Serbian-town)
I guess they look closer to North Slavic than average Yugos IMO, but some of us look like Yugos to begin with lol so is hard to know forsure unless they buy Y-DNA SNP Pack
I noticed a lot of Bosnian muslims tend to get ~ 35% Baltic, but a low North Atlantic score. Ironic, considering how much they despise being Slavic and sport a Neo-Illyrian identity.
Like Vlatko Vukovic
Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
Kit T448560
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 35.4
2 North_Atlantic 24.46
3 West_Med 15.36
4 East_Med 11.96
5 West_Asian 8.24
6 Red_Sea 2.09
7 Siberian 1.61
8 Amerindian 0.89
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 3.03
2 Croatian 3.83
3 Hungarian 8.25
4 Serbian 8.36
5 Ukrainian_Lviv 9.17
6 Ukrainian 10.34
7 South_Polish 10.47
8 Romanian 11.43
9 Austrian 12.7
10 East_German 12.82
11 Bulgarian 13.13
12 Southwest_Russian 13.46
13 Polish 13.62
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 13.88
15 Russian_Smolensk 15.34
16 Estonian_Polish 15.76
17 Belorussian 16.52
18 Kargopol_Russian 17.45
19 Erzya 18.85
20 Tatar 19.45
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 73.9% Ukrainian + 26.1% Central_Greek @ 1.78
2 68.1% Ukrainian + 31.9% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.83
3 74.7% Ukrainian + 25.3% East_Sicilian @ 1.86
4 76.5% Ukrainian + 23.5% South_Italian @ 1.89
5 56.1% Ukrainian + 43.9% Bulgarian @ 1.94
6 59.2% Ukrainian_Lviv + 40.8% Bulgarian @ 2.03
7 54.7% Bulgarian + 45.3% Estonian_Polish @ 2.06
8 70.9% Ukrainian_Lviv + 29.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.13
9 79% Ukrainian + 21% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.2
10 61.6% Bulgarian + 38.4% Lithuanian @ 2.29
11 54% Bulgarian + 46% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.29
12 79.2% Ukrainian + 20.8% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.31
13 58.2% Romanian + 41.8% Estonian_Polish @ 2.34
14 76.4% Ukrainian_Lviv + 23.6% Central_Greek @ 2.34
15 78.9% Ukrainian_Lviv + 21.1% South_Italian @ 2.36
16 79.2% Ukrainian + 20.8% Italian_Jewish @ 2.39
17 81.1% Ukrainian_Lviv + 18.9% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.4
18 81.1% Ukrainian + 18.9% Cyprian @ 2.41
19 52.6% Ukrainian + 47.4% Romanian @ 2.42
20 77.2% Ukrainian_Lviv + 22.8% East_Sicilian @ 2.45
Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 22.03
2 North_Sea 18.99
3 Eastern_Euro 15.51
4 Atlantic 13.59
5 West_Med 11.3
6 East_Med 8.29
7 West_Asian 7.71
8 Red_Sea 1.62
9 Amerindian 0.52
10 Siberian 0.44
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 1.99
2 Croatian 4.2
3 Hungarian 6.66
4 Serbian 8.03
5 Ukrainian_Lviv 8.22
6 Ukrainian 9.01
7 South_Polish 9.15
8 Austrian 9.57
9 Romanian 9.81
10 East_German 11.58
11 Polish 11.98
12 Bulgarian 12.1
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 12.3
14 Russian_Smolensk 12.55
15 Southwest_Russian 12.84
16 Belorussian 14.64
17 Estonian_Polish 14.65
18 Kargopol_Russian 15.77
19 Finnish 16.36
20 Southwest_Finnish 16.43
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 74.5% Ukrainian + 25.5% Central_Greek @ 1.69
2 93.1% Moldavian + 6.9% Ukrainian @ 1.88
3 85.8% Moldavian + 14.2% Croatian @ 1.89
4 96.7% Moldavian + 3.3% Lithuanian @ 1.89
5 96.2% Moldavian + 3.8% Belorussian @ 1.9
6 95.4% Moldavian + 4.6% Polish @ 1.9
7 93.4% Moldavian + 6.6% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 1.9
8 94.1% Moldavian + 5.9% South_Polish @ 1.91
9 96.5% Moldavian + 3.5% Estonian_Polish @ 1.91
10 97.1% Moldavian + 2.9% Estonian @ 1.92
11 93.4% Moldavian + 6.6% Hungarian @ 1.93
12 96.6% Moldavian + 3.4% Russian_Smolensk @ 1.94
13 96.8% Moldavian + 3.2% Southwest_Russian @ 1.94
14 97.2% Moldavian + 2.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.95
15 68.6% Ukrainian + 31.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.97
16 98.7% Moldavian + 1.3% Southwest_Finnish @ 1.97
17 99% Moldavian + 1% Erzya @ 1.98
18 98.9% Moldavian + 1.1% Finnish @ 1.98
19 98.7% Moldavian + 1.3% East_German @ 1.98
20 98.5% Moldavian + 1.5% Austrian @ 1.98
Cumansky
08-26-2019, 11:30 PM
I have found Max Soldo's results. He fucking left the forum, so it seams.
This guy Yugoslav? He has more northern admixture than the Pole
This guy Yugoslav? He has more northern admixture than the Pole
Yes, he is a Croat from Hercegovina. The most 'Balto-Slavic' Yugoslav I've seen. Probably there are some rare ones out there who can reach 38% Baltic but I am unaware of such cases. However keep in mind that some Croats score higher North Atlantic than Max Soldo. For example p2hter got well over 30% (vs. 25.9% in Max). Maybe sometimes one component takes a bit from another.
CommonSense
08-26-2019, 11:37 PM
Like Vlatko Vukovic
Good example. Here's another one, a Bosniak from Mostar. Dude wrote a book talking about his family's history and concluded that the carriers of his haplogroup have been present in Bosnia since almost 20 000 years ago xD
https://porodica-kurt.com/genetski-test/
Kit T401624
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 34
2 North_Atlantic 22.27
3 West_Med 17.38
4 East_Med 15.6
5 West_Asian 5.81
6 Red_Sea 2.77
7 Siberian 1
8 East_Asian 0.42
9 Northeast_African 0.41
10 Amerindian 0.32
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 6.6
2 Croatian 7.92
3 Serbian 8.03
4 Romanian 10.08
5 Bulgarian 11.04
6 Hungarian 11.18
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 13.19
8 Ukrainian 14.05
9 South_Polish 14.38
10 Austrian 15.22
11 East_German 15.71
12 Southwest_Russian 16.93
13 Polish 17.31
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.55
15 Russian_Smolensk 18.85
16 Estonian_Polish 18.98
17 Greek_Thessaly 19.02
18 Belorussian 19.74
19 Kargopol_Russian 20.97
20 West_German 21.91
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.7% Ukrainian + 28.3% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.5
2 50.1% Estonian_Polish + 49.9% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.71
3 65% Estonian_Polish + 35% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.8
4 56.1% Greek_Thessaly + 43.9% Lithuanian @ 3.94
5 67.1% Ukrainian + 32.9% Ashkenazi @ 3.97
6 72.1% Ukrainian + 27.9% Italian_Jewish @ 4.03
7 59.2% Lithuanian + 40.8% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.04
8 62% Estonian_Polish + 38% South_Italian @ 4.16
9 51% Greek_Thessaly + 49% Belorussian @ 4.16
10 59.2% Estonian_Polish + 40.8% East_Sicilian @ 4.17
11 65.2% Russian_Smolensk + 34.8% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.2
12 58.1% Ukrainian + 41.9% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.23
13 58.3% Estonian_Polish + 41.7% Central_Greek @ 4.29
14 65.3% Estonian_Polish + 34.7% Italian_Jewish @ 4.35
15 50.2% Russian_Smolensk + 49.8% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.37
16 73.5% Ukrainian_Lviv + 26.5% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.37
17 58.9% Estonian_Polish + 41.1% West_Sicilian @ 4.37
18 74% Ukrainian + 26% Tunisian_Jewish @ 4.39
19 64.6% Bulgarian + 35.4% Estonian_Polish @ 4.39
20 66.8% Ukrainian + 33.2% East_Sicilian @ 4.4
Cumansky
08-26-2019, 11:42 PM
Yes, he is a Croat from Hercegovina. The most 'Balto-Slavic' Yugoslav I've seen. Probably there are some rare ones out there who can reach 38% Baltic but I am unaware of such cases. However keep in mind that some Croats score higher North Atlantic than Max Soldo. For example p2hter got well over 30% (vs. 25.9% in Max). Maybe sometimes one component takes a bit from another.
I think Ph2ter has distant Iberian ancestry, when you have Iberian ancestry your North Atlantic score gets inflated from Celtic ancestry. Ph2ter has 50/50 split with North Atlantic and Baltic unusual for any Slav but he still has alot Balto Slavic ancestry for his region
Good example. Here's another one, a Bosniak from Mostar. Dude wrote a book talking about his family's history and concluded that the carriers of his haplogroup have been present in Bosnia since almost 20 000 years ago xD
https://porodica-kurt.com/genetski-test/
His FTDNA is pretty much a 'basic bitch' South Slavic/Balkan result
https://porodicakurtdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/origins-new.jpg?w=1860&h=1186
Pribislav
08-26-2019, 11:45 PM
I guess they look closer to North Slavic than average Yugos IMO, but some of us look like Yugos to begin with lol so is hard to know forsure unless they buy Y-DNA SNP Pack
K15 Eurogenes of one Serb from Prnjavor areа. His y dna is R1a>R-YP4278.
1 Baltic 22.36
2 North_Sea 20.34
3 Atlantic 12.84
4 West_Med 12.75
5 Eastrern_Euro 11.91
6 West_Asian 10.74
7 East_Med 7.28
8 Southeast_Asian 0.89
9 Red_Sea 0.75
10 Oceanin 0.12
# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 4.6
2 Croatian 6.82
3 Hungarian 7.58
4 Serbian 9.06
5 Romanian 9.58
6 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.03
7 Austrian 11
8 Ukrainian 11.21
9 South_Polish 11.31
10 Bulgarian 11.88
11 East_German 12.02
12 Polish 14.44
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod
14 Russian_Smolensk 15.12
15 Southwest_Russian 15.62
16 Belorussian 17.2
17 Estonian_Polish 17.42
18 Finnish 18.2
19 Southwest_Finnish 18.24
20 West_German 18.51
https://i.imgur.com/ZCBBntD.jpg
His K36 map
https://i.imgur.com/ikneEnE.png
Cumansky
08-26-2019, 11:58 PM
K15 Eurogenes of one Serb from Prnjavor areа. His y dna is R1a>R-YP4278.
1 Baltic 22.36
2 North_Sea 20.34
3 Atlantic 12.84
4 West_Med 12.75
5 Eastrern_Euro 11.91
6 West_Asian 10.74
7 East_Med 7.28
8 Southeast_Asian 0.89
9 Red_Sea 0.75
10 Oceanin 0.12
# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 4.6
2 Croatian 6.82
3 Hungarian 7.58
4 Serbian 9.06
5 Romanian 9.58
6 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.03
7 Austrian 11
8 Ukrainian 11.21
9 South_Polish 11.31
10 Bulgarian 11.88
11 East_German 12.02
12 Polish 14.44
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod
14 Russian_Smolensk 15.12
15 Southwest_Russian 15.62
16 Belorussian 17.2
17 Estonian_Polish 17.42
18 Finnish 18.2
19 Southwest_Finnish 18.24
20 West_German 18.51
https://i.imgur.com/ZCBBntD.jpg
His K36 map
https://i.imgur.com/ikneEnE.png
Similar as some people from Eastern Galicia, or Eastern Hungary, or Northern Moldova, etc
vbnetkhio
08-27-2019, 08:20 AM
i added all kits and k15 results which were posted, all Bulgarian kits i have,
also 4 Boykos from Galicia and this West Ukrainian> T895566
they are wierd, they don't seem to be a Ukrainian+Romanian mix. we'll see when more kits are added.
https://i.imgur.com/iASbXf5.png
https://i.imgur.com/QqHbt2n.png
https://i.imgur.com/m5uNK1R.png
There is a Bosniak sample plotting like full NW Croat and practically in Czech cluster. Any info on him/her ?
Dušan
08-27-2019, 09:11 AM
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vbnetkhio
08-27-2019, 09:25 AM
There is a Bosniak sample plotting like full NW Croat and practically in Czech cluster. Any info on him/her ?
it's a sample from that paper about Balkan genetics, posted by Ajeje Brazorf in the random gedmatch kits thread: Z793771 Bosnian15
there is a Croat from Croatia very close to him(Blue- Croats, Yellow-BiH Croats, Red-Bulgarians, Orange- Romanians, Grey-Gagauzes, Purple-Central Greeks(islanders?))
https://i.imgur.com/A74EqtU.png
i plotted this some time ago without saving kit numbers, i'll plot the Croat samples on this PCA too eventually.
Pribislav
08-27-2019, 09:28 AM
This is accurate result of forum member Devil's Advocate.
coordinate x=485, y=210
vbnetkhio could change position.
That is result of member Jelic from Poreklo.
Dušan
08-27-2019, 09:29 AM
That is result of member Jelic from Poreklo.
Then I made mistake. Sorry.
vbnetkhio could put his result, too.
vbnetkhio
08-27-2019, 09:30 AM
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vbnetkhio
08-27-2019, 09:33 AM
i added everybody who is 100% some ethncity to their cluster, if i got everything right.
https://i.imgur.com/zwB7aNF.png
Thracian is 100% East Thracian Turkish?
vbnetkhio
08-27-2019, 09:33 AM
//doublepost//
WeirdLookingFellow
08-27-2019, 10:38 AM
Could you add me on the map too, please?
My K13:
# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 28.06
2 Baltic 24.76
3 East_Med 18.76
4 West_Med 17.53
5 West_Asian 6.52
6 Siberian 1.37
7 Amerindian 1.36
8 Sub-Saharan 1.32
9 Oceanian 0.22
10 South_Asian 0.1
My K15:
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 18.15
2 Atlantic 17.85
3 North_Sea 17.56
4 East_Med 15.65
5 West_Med 14.1
6 Eastern_Euro 8.01
7 West_Asian 5.21
8 Sub-Saharan 1.29
9 Amerindian 1.1
10 Siberian 0.68
11 South_Asian 0.24
12 Oceanian 0.17
CommonSense
08-27-2019, 12:01 PM
The Bulgarian cluster is much more heterogenous than I initially thought with western Bulgarians being closer to even most Bosniaks than to their compatriots in the east. Pribislav was the first one to notice this after Kaspias posted all those various kits and results.
pelikarski
08-27-2019, 12:06 PM
The Bulgarian cluster is much more heterogenous than I initially thought with western Bulgarians being closer to even most Bosniaks than to their compatriots in the east. Pribislav was the first one to notice this after Kaspias posted all those various kits and results.
Bulgarians with Thracian and occasionally Greek ancestry are overrepresented thus pulling the Bulgarian average a bit south of the Romanian
Kaspias posted this result claiming its from my hometown, which has been homogenously Bulgarian historically and he plots with Moldovans
Eurogenes K13
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/315711208462221313/577874570065739801/unknown.png
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 27.23
2 Baltic 27.16
3 West_Med 16.45
4 East_Med 13.18
5 West_Asian 9.78
6 Red_Sea 2.69
7 Siberian 2.16
8 Oceanian 0.84
9 East_Asian 0.28
10 Amerindian 0.23
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 2.74
2 Romanian 5.85
3 Moldavian 7.02
4 Hungarian 7.98
5 Bulgarian 8.63
6 Croatian 9.22
7 Austrian 10.63
8 East_German 12.34
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 15.47
10 West_German 15.48
11 South_Polish 16.02
12 Greek_Thessaly 16.59
13 South_Dutch 16.92
14 Ukrainian 16.93
15 French 16.94
16 North_Italian 17.57
17 Tuscan 19.4
18 Polish 19.69
19 Portuguese 20.05
20 North_German 20.07
Bulgarians with Thracian and occasionally Greek ancestry are overrepresented thus pulling the Bulgarian average a bit south of the Romanian
Why is that strange ? Bulgaria is to the south of Romania.
But my guess is western Bulgarians cluster more northern than Wallachians and especially Dobrogeans who are very SE shifted.
pelikarski
08-27-2019, 12:16 PM
Why is that strange ? Bulgaria is to the south of Romania.
But my guess is western Bulgarians cluster more northern than Wallachians and especially Dobrogeans who are very SE shifted.
I just said these results are predominantly Thracian Bulgarians which are very SE shifted
CommonSense
08-27-2019, 12:18 PM
Bulgarians with Thracian and occasionally Greek ancestry are overrepresented thus pulling the Bulgarian average a bit south of the Romanian
Kaspias posted this result claiming its from my hometown, which has been homogenously Bulgarian historically and he plots with Moldovans
Eurogenes K13
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/315711208462221313/577874570065739801/unknown.png
Why don't you take a test yourself and see who you end up being closest to? Honestly, I'm surprised you haven't considering how long you've been participating in these topics, plus Bulgarians have bigger range of companies to choose from, unlike us living in Serbia who can only order FTDNA or MyHeritage kits.
vbnetkhio
08-27-2019, 12:22 PM
The Bulgarian cluster is much more heterogenous than I initially thought with western Bulgarians being closer to even most Bosniaks than to their compatriots in the east. Pribislav was the first one to notice this after Kaspias posted all those various kits and results.
It's important to say the Bulgarian kits i used were used as sources in K15 so their results and oracles are way off. But somehow their plotting is exactly like normal Bulgarian kits.
You can see "real" Bulgarians on my first post in this thread, and "fake" on that old plot on the page before this one.
pelikarski
08-27-2019, 12:22 PM
Why don't you take a test yourself and see who you end up being closest to? Honestly, I'm surprised you haven't considering how long you've been participating in these topics, plus Bulgarians have bigger range of companies to choose from, unlike us living in Serbia who can only order FTDNA or MyHeritage kits.
I don't participate in genetic topics, I am not into it, but perhaps I will in the near future, which company will you recommend
It's important to say the Bulgarian kits i used were used as sources in K15 so their results and oracles are way off. But somehow their plotting is exactly like normal Bulgarian kits.
You can see "real" Bulgarians on my first post in this thread, and "fake" on that old plot on the page before this one.
Sorry, who exactly are fake Bulgarians?
Bulgarians are 20% East Med on average, so they're obviously the "swarthiest" Slavs out there genetically. I think Kaspias said 30% Baltic is the highest percentage in Bulgaria, isn't it?
pelikarski
08-27-2019, 12:29 PM
Bulgarians are 20% East Med on average, so they're obviously the "swarthiest" Slavs out there genetically. I think Kaspias said 30% Baltic is highest percentage in Bulgaria, isn't it?
I remember he said so
CommonSense
08-27-2019, 12:30 PM
I don't participate in genetic topics, I am not into it, but perhaps I will in the near future, which company will you recommend
You should order AncestryDNA since it's still using the old chip with the most SNPs, so you'll get a more accurate gedmatch reading that way. However, that might probably change in the near future and in that case it won't matter so much which company you choose, but 23andMe has the advantage of having the most users/samples and frequent updates.
You should order AncestryDNA since it's still using the old chip with the most SNPs, so you'll get a more accurate gedmatch reading that way. However, that might probably change in the near future and in that case it won't matter so much which company you choose, but 23andMe has the advantage of having the most users/samples and frequent updates.
FTDNA is good for Southeast Europe too and they still use 77k SNPs as opposed to 23andme's 58k.
Go with Ancestry. Much more SNP than FTDNA/23andme and you will be able to see basic haplogroup unlike FTDNA.
Also you will get genetic community which show region/countries you share most IBD with.
Plus they are fast!
FTDNA is good for Southeast Europe too and they still use 77k SNPs as opposed to 23andme's 58k.
It is still very low. They dropped in quality. Maybe this poor new chip is reason both my parents cluster oddly SE from me. I tested with much superior 23andme V4.
vbnetkhio
08-27-2019, 12:40 PM
FTDNA is good for Southeast Europe too and they still use 77k SNPs as opposed to 23andme's 58k.
23andme has 600 000 SNPs altogether and 58k usable in Eurogenes k36. I thought new FTDNA has 77k SNPs altogether in the raw data file?
https://i.imgur.com/iASbXf5.png
What's up with the Bosniak halfway to China? Part gypsy?
It is still very low. They dropped in quality. Maybe this poor new chip is reason both my parents cluster oddly SE from me. I tested with much superior 23andme V4.
Your parents' chip is fine, the change was made around January this year.
23andme has 600 000 SNPs altogether and 58k usable in Eurogenes k36. I thought new FTDNA has 77k SNPs altogether in the raw data file?
Not altogether, 77k for Eurogenes.
Your parents' chip is fine, the change was made around January this year.
It still had pretty low SNP, lowered than regular when I tested them. I find it odd I am NW from both. I expected to be between them.
It still had pretty low SNP, lowered than regular when I tested them. I find it odd I am NW from both. I expected to be between them.
Isn't it theoretically possible for you to have inherited more of the "northern" components from both of your parents which puts you further away from them in the plot?
vbnetkhio
08-27-2019, 12:50 PM
What's up with the Bosniak halfway to China? Part gypsy?
He is part Anatolian and central Asian. There is one Bosnian Roma too but he is more east, not in the picture
Isn't it theoretically possible for you to have inherited more of the "northern" components from both of your parents which puts you further away from them in the plot?
I think it is.
He is part Anatolian and central Asian.
In other words part Turkish. That is rare. Is she/ he Bosniak from Turkey ?
CommonSense
08-27-2019, 01:01 PM
Then I made mistake. Sorry.
vbnetkhio could put his result, too.
It is the same person (I just told Pribislav). Post it again so that OP can update the chart with more accurate results.
Pribislav
08-27-2019, 01:12 PM
It is the same person (I just told Pribislav). Post it again so that OP can update the chart with more accurate results.
Guys from Poreklo when change nick it's hard to know who are they. It's not like here when somebody change nick his old posts are preserved.
vbnetkhio
08-27-2019, 01:15 PM
In other words part Turkish. That is rare. Is she/ he Bosniak from Turkey ?
i read somewhere for that research they tested only people whose all ancestors in the last 3 generations lived in that country.
this is the original PCA with those samples
https://i.imgur.com/52k6YB7.png
Kaspias
08-27-2019, 01:15 PM
i added everybody who is 100% some ethncity to their cluster, if i got everything right.
https://i.imgur.com/zwB7aNF.png
Thracian is 100% East Thracian Turkish?
Thracian is from North Macedonia and Bulgaria
Bulgarians are 20% East Med on average, so they're obviously the "swarthiest" Slavs out there genetically. I think Kaspias said 30% Baltic is the highest percentage in Bulgaria, isn't it?
Yes, 30% was highest score i have ever seen.
He is part Anatolian and central Asian. There is one Bosnian Roma too but he is more east, not in the picture
Anatolian admixture would shift one more southeastern than this, imo. Kayra is half Sandzak muslim (identify as Bosniak though) half Balkan Turk so can be taken as a reference point for such admixtures.
i read somewhere for that research they tested only people whose all ancestors in the last 3 generations lived in that country.
this is the original PCA with those samples
https://i.imgur.com/52k6YB7.png
Thanks, looks neat.
vbnetkhio
08-27-2019, 01:31 PM
Could you add me on the map too, please?
My K13:
# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 28.06
2 Baltic 24.76
3 East_Med 18.76
4 West_Med 17.53
5 West_Asian 6.52
6 Siberian 1.37
7 Amerindian 1.36
8 Sub-Saharan 1.32
9 Oceanian 0.22
10 South_Asian 0.1
My K15:
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 18.15
2 Atlantic 17.85
3 North_Sea 17.56
4 East_Med 15.65
5 West_Med 14.1
6 Eastern_Euro 8.01
7 West_Asian 5.21
8 Sub-Saharan 1.29
9 Amerindian 1.1
10 Siberian 0.68
11 South_Asian 0.24
12 Oceanian 0.17
here
https://i.imgur.com/699qcOG.png
WeirdLookingFellow
08-27-2019, 01:41 PM
here
Thanks, I'm like an intruder there.
Btw, any kit marked with Z as starting letter in gedmatch is a low quality one with sub-par amount of SNP. Both my parents are in that group.
WeirdLookingFellow
08-27-2019, 01:49 PM
Moldovan Eurogenes K13:
90652
Where's this Moldovan from? His K13 is very similar to mine.
Thanks, I'm like an intruder there.
You are SW shifted for your ancestry, firmly in the Serb cluster.
You are SW shifted for your ancestry, firmly in the Serb cluster.
he's Romanian-Moldavian. Moldavians from Romania don't plot with those from R. Moldova
vbnetkhio
08-27-2019, 01:51 PM
In other words part Turkish. That is rare. Is she/ he Bosniak from Turkey ?
i think i mixed him up with some other kit
this is what he gets in k13
Kit Z568631
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 34.02
2 North_Atlantic 20.4
3 West_Med 14.98
4 East_Med 13.9
5 West_Asian 8.93
6 South_Asian 3.84
7 Red_Sea 1.96
8 East_Asian 1.15
9 Siberian 0.83
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 5.43
2 Croatian 7.91
3 Serbian 9.08
4 Romanian 10.63
5 Bulgarian 11.54
6 Hungarian 11.77
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 12.52
8 Ukrainian 13.59
9 South_Polish 14.08
10 Southwest_Russian 15.95
11 Austrian 16.15
12 Ukrainian_Belgorod 16.15
13 East_German 16.5
14 Polish 17.03
15 Russian_Smolensk 18.12
16 Estonian_Polish 18.54
17 Belorussian 19.39
18 Greek_Thessaly 19.64
19 Kargopol_Russian 19.72
20 Tatar 19.74
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 75.3% Ukrainian + 24.7% Cyprian @ 3.46
2 77.7% Ukrainian + 22.3% Samaritan @ 3.74
3 55.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 44.9% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.78
4 78.1% Ukrainian + 21.9% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.8
5 55.4% Southwest_Russian + 44.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.82
6 76.2% Ukrainian + 23.8% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.94
7 54.7% Greek_Thessaly + 45.3% Lithuanian @ 4
8 77.2% Ukrainian_Lviv + 22.8% Cyprian @ 4.01
9 76.3% Ukrainian + 23.7% Syrian @ 4.02
10 52.1% Russian_Smolensk + 47.9% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.12
11 69.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 30.6% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.12
12 51.5% Estonian_Polish + 48.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.14
13 53.1% Lithuanian + 46.9% Central_Greek @ 4.15
14 51.1% Greek_Thessaly + 48.9% Erzya @ 4.17
15 64% Southwest_Russian + 36% East_Sicilian @ 4.18
16 59.2% Estonian_Polish + 40.8% Central_Greek @ 4.18
17 63% Southwest_Russian + 37% Central_Greek @ 4.19
18 65.1% Bulgarian + 34.9% Erzya @ 4.2
19 66.6% Southwest_Russian + 33.4% South_Italian @ 4.23
20 63.7% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 36.3% East_Sicilian @ 4.27
i think he's a mix of a very Slavic Bosniak and something from the Ottoman empire.
this is what the most eastern one after him gets
Kit Z843039
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 35.44
2 North_Atlantic 22.18
3 West_Med 15.37
4 East_Med 12.77
5 West_Asian 8.96
6 Red_Sea 2.5
7 South_Asian 0.83
8 East_Asian 0.72
9 Siberian 0.71
10 Oceanian 0.41
11 Sub-Saharan 0.11
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 3.68
2 Croatian 5.58
3 Serbian 8.74
4 Hungarian 10.25
5 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.37
6 Romanian 11.19
7 Ukrainian 11.55
8 South_Polish 11.97
9 Bulgarian 12.41
10 Southwest_Russian 14.2
11 Ukrainian_Belgorod 14.43
12 Austrian 14.62
13 East_German 14.85
14 Polish 14.92
15 Russian_Smolensk 16.22
16 Estonian_Polish 16.7
17 Belorussian 17.5
18 Kargopol_Russian 18.38
19 Erzya 19.31
20 Tatar 19.87
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 78.7% Ukrainian + 21.3% Cyprian @ 2.1
2 56.3% Lithuanian + 43.7% Central_Greek @ 2.51
3 80.7% Ukrainian_Lviv + 19.3% Cyprian @ 2.57
4 50.8% Greek_Thessaly + 49.2% Lithuanian @ 2.62
5 80.8% Ukrainian + 19.2% Samaritan @ 2.63
6 56.6% Russian_Smolensk + 43.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.64
7 62.8% Estonian_Polish + 37.2% Central_Greek @ 2.66
8 64% Bulgarian + 36% Lithuanian @ 2.67
9 63.5% Russian_Smolensk + 36.5% Central_Greek @ 2.7
10 57.6% Bulgarian + 42.4% Estonian_Polish @ 2.7
11 56.9% Bulgarian + 43.1% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.72
12 81.2% Ukrainian + 18.8% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.76
13 59.9% Southwest_Russian + 40.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.81
14 59.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 40.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.82
15 71.3% Ukrainian + 28.7% Central_Greek @ 2.83
16 60% Lithuanian + 40% South_Italian @ 2.87
17 55.9% Estonian_Polish + 44.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.87
18 53.5% Bulgarian + 46.5% Southwest_Russian @ 2.89
19 72.1% Ukrainian + 27.9% East_Sicilian @ 2.89
20 57.4% Lithuanian + 42.6% East_Sicilian @ 2.94
WeirdLookingFellow
08-27-2019, 01:53 PM
You are SW shifted for your ancestry, firmly in the Serb cluster.
If I wouldn't know that my mom and her sister look awfully similar to both my maternal grandparents, I'd think either my grandma or grandpa had an affair with some Spaniard that got into socialist Romania somehow.
he's Romanian-Moldavian. Moldavians from Romania don't plot with those from R. Moldova
I say that primarly because he is part Ukrainian too.
If I wouldn't know that my mom and her sister look awfully similar to both my maternal grandparents, I'd think either my grandma or grandpa had an affair with some Spaniard that got into socialist Romania somehow.
do u have any recent Ukrainian ancestry?
WeirdLookingFellow
08-27-2019, 01:54 PM
he's Romanian-Moldavian. Moldavians from Romania don't plot with those from R. Moldova
True but you've seen my K36 PCA I am quite far from the Romanian cluster.
do u have any recent Ukrainian ancestry?
Great-Grandma (direct maternal line) had a Ukrainian name before marrying. My family name is not directly Slavic sounding (-itski , -ici, -ovan, -cenco, etc.) but it's found mostly in Moldova, a lot in the R. of Moldova and Ukraine - Russia - Poland.
vbnetkhio
08-27-2019, 01:56 PM
Btw, any kit marked with Z as starting letter in gedmatch is a low quality one with sub-par amount of SNP. Both my parents are in that group.
these bosniaks are Z and they have maximum SNPs (180k in k13)
these bosniaks are Z and they have maximum SNPs (180k in k13)
Hmm, ignore my comment than xD
I read something wrong. My parents have lot less though.
True but you've seen my K36 PCA I am quite far from the Romanian cluster.
non of us plots anywhere near the romanian dot. also there is no romanian cluster. romanians plot all over the place
WeirdLookingFellow
08-27-2019, 02:00 PM
non of us plots anywhere near the romanian cluster. that's the romanian average
My gf plots 0.01mm from the point blank Romanian average.
CommonSense
08-27-2019, 02:02 PM
i think i mixed him up with some other kit
this is what he gets in k13
Kit Z568631
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 34.02
2 North_Atlantic 20.4
3 West_Med 14.98
4 East_Med 13.9
5 West_Asian 8.93
6 South_Asian 3.84
7 Red_Sea 1.96
8 East_Asian 1.15
9 Siberian 0.83
i think he's a mix of a very Slavic Bosniak and something from the Ottoman empire.
this is what the most eastern one after him gets
The South Asian score indicates very obvious Gypsy ancestry, although minor (probably around 1/8). Nothing Ottoman about this guy, at all.
Also, the very high Baltic score of both kits just proves what I was talking about. Terrible times to be a Bosniak Illyroman xD
My gf plots 0.01mm from the point blank Romanian average.
that is very very rare. it's just a coincidence.
Aspirin
08-27-2019, 02:05 PM
Moldavians from Romania don't plot with those from R. Moldova
Stop spread bullshit.
Stop spread bullshit.
true. moldovians from romania plot much more south that moldovian dot. they're similar to serbians on average
vbnetkhio
08-27-2019, 02:06 PM
non of us plots anywhere near the romanian dot. also there is no romanian cluster. romanians plot all over the place
check these Romanians (orange)
https://i.imgur.com/A74EqtU.png
they are like the norhern half of Bulgarians. some are close to Serbian like WeirdLookingFellow
check these Romanians (orange)
https://i.imgur.com/A74EqtU.png
they are like the norhern half of Bulgarians. some are close to Serbian like WeirdLookingFellow
bolgarians are with red?
WeirdLookingFellow
08-27-2019, 02:08 PM
that is very very rare. it's just a coincidence.
I know but it's still interesting. I'm interested in what Cumansky knows about that Moldovan that he posted with the K15, my results and his are quite similar.
Aspirin
08-27-2019, 02:08 PM
true. moldovians from romania plot much more south that moldovian dot. they're similar to serbians on average
Only in southern parts.
The South Asian score indicates very obvious Gypsy ancestry, although minor (probably around 1/8). Nothing Ottoman about this guy, at all.
Also, the very high Baltic score of both kits just proves what I was talking about. Terrible times to be a Bosniak Illyroman xD
I also noticed Bosniaks have high Baltic and low North Atlantic. Croats have both pretty even like me, lot higher NA and bit lower Baltic in comparison with them.
vbnetkhio
08-27-2019, 02:11 PM
bolgarians are with red?
Blue- Croats, Yellow-BiH Croats, Red-Bulgarians, Orange- Romanians, Grey-Gagauzes, Purple-Central Greeks(islanders?) green-Bosniaks
IncelSlayer plots with Hungarian average. But as we said many times he is odd case.
In Croats I think 37% is the highest I've seen - that was Max Soldo. He refused to post other calculators for some reason when I asked him. But 37% is a lot for the region. I posted a Southwestern Ukrainian family and they were in that range (Moldovan-shifted).
He goes by name Ilyro-Vlach on anthrogenica.
Probably because of his native Balkan J2b2 haplogroup (both his sides have it)
Blue- Croats, Yellow-BiH Croats, Red-Bulgarians, Orange- Romanians, Grey-Gagauzes, Purple-Central Greeks(islanders?) green-Bosniaks
https://i.imgur.com/A74EqtU.png
this is me and my mom
https://i.imgur.com/3lxojM8.jpg
WeirdLookingFellow
08-27-2019, 02:17 PM
Me
https://i.imgur.com/JgwDwIK.png
^^ Maybe you have more Roman blood than average.
Me
https://i.imgur.com/JgwDwIK.png
https://i.imgur.com/BESrayx.png
the ones in red are other romanina users here
+ the romanians from the other map
https://i.imgur.com/kwDTAwI.png
Alenka
08-27-2019, 02:42 PM
https://i.imgur.com/BESrayx.png
the ones in red are other romanina users here
My conclusion is that you're a child of WeirdLookingFellow and Impaler, considering where you plot.
xD
bained
08-27-2019, 02:43 PM
90765 We can make a new cline, the weirdlooking balkans.
My conclusion is that you're a child of WeirdLookingFellow and Impaler, considering where you plot.
xD
that romanian dot is the child of us all, if u watch the other map ))
vbnetkhio
08-27-2019, 02:45 PM
Me
https://i.imgur.com/JgwDwIK.png
sorry. i accidentally typed 225 instead of 255.
this is where you actually plot
https://i.imgur.com/kPBFTWy.png
WeirdLookingFellow
08-27-2019, 02:58 PM
sorry. i accidentally typed 225 instead of 255.
this is where you actually plot
https://i.imgur.com/kPBFTWy.png
Thought something was fishy considering my other map.
vbnetkhio
08-27-2019, 02:59 PM
It is the same person (I just told Pribislav). Post it again so that OP can update the chart with more accurate results.
no need, i have both already on the pca.
deleted the sorted devil's advocate and left the good version.
https://i.imgur.com/GY3uoVm.png
always post unsorted results, those from the first screen before you go to the oracle. the plot can be very unprecise otherwise
Dušan
08-27-2019, 03:06 PM
....
vbnetkhio
08-27-2019, 03:10 PM
+ the romanians from the other map
https://i.imgur.com/kwDTAwI.png
Well there is a cluster, quite similar to the one on my PCA.
Impaler is half Greek, maybe Cypriot or Pontic?
And Incelslayer could be part Hungarian?
Well there is a cluster, quite similar to the one on my PCA.
Impaler is half Greek, maybe Cypriot or Pontic?
And Incelslayer could be part Hungarian?
Impaler is not half greek..he has some greek ancestry somewhere in the past, same as WeirdLookingFellow has some ukrainian. if u're looking back for many generations..many romanians have some foreign ancestry
i don't know about IncelSlayer really.
vbnetkhio
08-27-2019, 03:39 PM
+ the romanians from the other map
https://i.imgur.com/kwDTAwI.png
Post Romanian unsorted k15 results . I'll add them all
vbnetkhio
08-27-2019, 03:39 PM
...
vbnetkhio
08-27-2019, 04:22 PM
Italians
https://i.imgur.com/c2ztq86.png
https://i.imgur.com/jgC4z9b.png
https://i.imgur.com/AzONl1c.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/IqjaEK7.png
WeirdLookingFellow
08-27-2019, 04:26 PM
I wuz Venetianz and shieet
vbnetkhio
08-27-2019, 04:44 PM
I wuz Venetianz and shieet
http://i68.tinypic.com/s3kaqw.jpg
Friulians and northernmost Albanians almost touch each other. you are the missing link.
unrelated to this, these are all Albanians from Albania i believe. the ones from Kosovo plot deep into Bulgarian territory.
dududud
08-27-2019, 09:15 PM
My father (V5)
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/631x460q90/r/922/iRFsNr.png
My mother (V5)
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/669x460q90/923/lrkN4U.png
My sister (V5)
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img921/9246/0SR5fC.png
Me (V3)
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/3341/6Z0h0s.png
vbnetkhio
08-28-2019, 07:51 AM
I wuz Venetianz and shieet
I think you might be typical for your region. if you look at the pca, Boykos are like a mix of you(Moldovan) and Ukrainians, which makes a lot of sense.
https://i.imgur.com/Amqh6qb.png
WeirdLookingFellow
08-28-2019, 08:08 AM
I think you might be typical for your region. if you look at the pca, Boykos are like a mix of you(Moldovan) and Ukrainians, which makes a lot of sense.
https://i.imgur.com/Amqh6qb.png
Guess I'm just closer to the original Vlachs genetically since they're also geographically inbetween Albania and N. Italy.
vbnetkhio
08-28-2019, 08:22 AM
Guess I'm just closer to the original Vlachs genetically since they're also geographically inbetween Albania and N. Italy.
pre slavic Balkanians all the way up to Austria and Moldova were genetically identical to modern day Italians, Greeks, Spanish from various regions.
i think pre Slavic population of your specific micro region was like modern central Italians, and you are slightly pulled towards Ukrainians. but not enough to get Slavicized.
the pre Slavic population of Montenegro, Bosnia and Serbia was also like central Italians and they are also pulled towards Ukrainians. so they lie on the same line as you.
https://i.imgur.com/9IsRTk1.png
i'll add ancient samples to the PCA later. we have a lot of ancient samples from Moldova.
vbnetkhio
08-28-2019, 09:30 AM
added all Croats. one set is divided into BIH-H and just BIH, i assumed those are Herzegovinians and Bosnians.
https://i.imgur.com/kf1iyCp.png
forgot the Dalm. coast Croat and Central Croat, I'll add them later today
We have cronic lack od samples from central and eastern Croatia. Bulk of population lives there but samples are few to none.
So far BiH Croats, Dalmatians are totally overrepresented. We have few NW Croats at least.
vbnetkhio
08-28-2019, 11:06 AM
We have cronic lack od samples from central and eastern Croatia. Bulk of population lives there but samples are few to none.
So far BiH Croats, Dalmatians are totally overrepresented. We have few NW Croats at least.
The Croatia_Cro samples are from all over Croatia i guess
The Croatia_Cro samples are from all over Croatia i guess
I guess. But I don't have single Slavonian sample so far from people tested on other forums. There was one from East Slavonia (Croat) user Leto has, she was quite close to Serbs/Moldovans.
vbnetkhio
08-28-2019, 06:23 PM
Guess I'm just closer to the original Vlachs genetically since they're also geographically inbetween Albania and N. Italy.
this might be a little far fetched but looking at your plotting and your k71 results i think you could descend from some Illyrian tribe which migrated to Moldova at one point in history.
https://i.imgur.com/P87DuGE.png
WeirdLookingFellow
08-28-2019, 06:42 PM
this might be a little far fetched but looking at your plotting and your k71 results i think you could descend from some Illyrian tribe which migrated to Moldova at one point in history.
Silly question probably but since I score significant Iberian+3% Irish/Scottish +3% Italian on MyHeritage does this confirm your theory based on the K71 and other results? Mytrueancestry also scores me as Gaul + Roman or Thuringian + Roman?
I almost bothered to try and see if I could have a Spanish ancestor but nobody does around here. By the way if you want any other result just ask me don't dig through the whole forum lol.
vbnetkhio
08-28-2019, 06:46 PM
Silly question probably but since I score significant Iberian+3% Irish/Scottish +3% Italian on MyHeritage does this confirm your theory based on the K71 and other results? Mytrueancestry also scores me as Gaul + Roman or Thuringian + Roman?
I almost bothered to try and see if I could have a Spanish ancestor but nobody does around here. By the way if you want any other result just ask me don't dig through the whole forum lol.
i would say Iberian is a trace of Celtic ancestry and Italian of Roman Empire.
vbnetkhio
08-28-2019, 06:54 PM
added all Cyprian Greeks, they are all down there in their cluster
https://i.imgur.com/lueQ2Qs.png
vbnetkhio
08-28-2019, 08:12 PM
added all Gagauzes(green hourglasses). They overlap with the more southern plotting Bulgarians, Macedonians, Romanians.
https://i.imgur.com/Pr30FL5.png
vbnetkhio
08-29-2019, 01:08 PM
added a bunch of stuff (averages are k15 averages like on the original map)
"Central Greeks" aren't islanders as i previously thought, they are from Athens area i guess
https://i.imgur.com/Gkc1bGE.png
https://i.imgur.com/FpKTZa5.png
https://i.imgur.com/yrakAg4.png
https://i.imgur.com/2Y0aBth.png
https://i.imgur.com/qdzZLb1.png
PAGANE
08-29-2019, 01:56 PM
I have one result of myFTDNA Y- 12markers to one of my 8 great-grandparents. Haplogroup J-M172 with mostly Serbs and Croats
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