CordedWhelp's Mother's GLOBAL25 Analysis

[Figaro]

I originally was not going to thread about this, but well, here it is.

I was interested to see if my Eastern European side picked up any sort of "eastern mystery meat", if you will, or placements within the Russian empire into The Pale. Well, I think David's analysis helps cement that my folks were basically just a continuation of NW Belarusian Poles.

Note: My maternal grandfather was Danish/German by heritage, hence my mom's Germanic pull.




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Audrey_scaled,0.12862,0.127957,0.061094,0.04522,0. 035083,0.019522,0.011281,0.014076,0.005318,-0.008018,-0.003573,-0.005695,0.006392,0.008808,-0.000679,0.000133,-0.00013,-0.003927,0.00352,0.005127,-0.007861,-0.000989,-0.000616,0.003494,0.001197

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Audrey,0.0113,0.0126,0.0162,0.014,0.0114,0.007,0.0 048,0.0061,0.0026,-0.0044,-0.0022,-0.0038,0.0043,0.0064,-0.0005,0.0001,-0.0001,-0.0031,0.0028,0.0041,-0.0063,-0.0008,-0.0005,0.0029,0.001

Target: Audrey_scaled
Distance: 4.8982% / 0.04898162
Aggregated
49.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
36.8 Anatolia_Barcin_N
13.6 WHG
0.6 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N

Target: Audrey_scaled
Distance: 1.5065% / 0.01506528
Aggregated
41.4 German
27.4 Belarusian
24.2 Polish
6.6 Ashkenazi_Jew
0.4 Sephardic_Jew

[Yamnaya]

Everybody is getting huge amounts of Yamnaya, i wonder how accurate are the results

[Figaro]

Everybody is getting huge amounts of Yamnaya, i wonder how accurate the results are

It's probably only a proxy for estimated Steppe ancestry overall and not just Yamnaya-proper.

[Yamnaya]

It's probably just a proxy for estimated Steppe ancestry and not just Yamnaya-proper.

But how was yamnaya measured in first place? As far as i'm concerned people use ancient admixture in order to find the most similar yamnaya mix, that's why Finns get the highest yanmnaya "ancestry" (more like genome similarity)

[Figaro]

But how was yamnaya measured in first place? As far as i'm concerned people use ancient admixture in order to find the most similar yamnaya mix, that's why Finns get the highest yanmnaya "ancestry" (more like genome similarity)

Could be that Uralics are a later arrival to European zones and yes, "Yamnaya" is kind of a misnomer and is reflecting other things to help "explain" the "additional eastern-ness". For those who's structures can be more or less called "All European Genetic Structures" , it can probably be seen more literally, albeit yes, probably still inflated a touch.

[Daos777]

I originally was not going to thread about this, but well, here it is.

I was interested to see if my Eastern European side picked up any sort of "eastern mystery meat", if you will, or placements within the Russian empire into The Pale. Well, I think David's analysis helps cement that my folks were basically just a continuation of NW Belarusian Poles.

Note: My maternal grandfather was Danish/German by heritage, hence my mom's Germanic pull.




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Audrey_scaled,0.12862,0.127957,0.061094,0.04522,0. 035083,0.019522,0.011281,0.014076,0.005318,-0.008018,-0.003573,-0.005695,0.006392,0.008808,-0.000679,0.000133,-0.00013,-0.003927,0.00352,0.005127,-0.007861,-0.000989,-0.000616,0.003494,0.001197

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Audrey,0.0113,0.0126,0.0162,0.014,0.0114,0.007,0.0 048,0.0061,0.0026,-0.0044,-0.0022,-0.0038,0.0043,0.0064,-0.0005,0.0001,-0.0001,-0.0031,0.0028,0.0041,-0.0063,-0.0008,-0.0005,0.0029,0.001

Target: Audrey_scaled
Distance: 4.8982% / 0.04898162
Aggregated
49.0Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
36.8Anatolia_Barcin_N
13.6WHG
0.6Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N

Target: Audrey_scaled
Distance: 1.5065% / 0.01506528
Aggregated
41.4German
27.4Belarusian
24.2Polish
6.6Ashkenazi_Jew
0.4Sephardic_Jew



Where do you get the modern pop predictor?

Here are mine:

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yo_scaled,0.126344,0.114755,0.056568,0.04522,0.030 467,0.019243,0.00564,-0.002308,-0.00634,-0.014761,-0.002598,-0.010041,0.016353,0.015689,-0.018865,0.010607,0.021905,-0.004941,-0.00729,0.004377,0.004118,-0.003339,0.004807,-0.00012,-0.006826

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yo,0.0111,0.0113,0.015,0.014,0.0099,0.0069,0.0024,-0.001,-0.0031,-0.0081,-0.0016,-0.0067,0.011,0.0114,-0.0139,0.008,0.0168,-0.0039,-0.0058,0.0035,0.0033,-0.0027,0.0039,-0.0001,-0.0057

Target: yo_scaled
Distance: 5.7455% / 0.05745498
Aggregated
50.6Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
31.8Anatolia_Barcin_N
12.0WHG
3.4Levant_PPNB
1.8Han
0.2Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
0.2BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP

Anyone can run it for me?

[Figaro]

What might Anatolia_Tepecik be a proxy for? Ancestry from later Neolithic waves between and including the late Neolithic-proper and the Eneolithic? This ancestry type is mainly found in Southern Europeans, as the farmer in north euros is exclusively from the first waves.

If I’m right, I might guess my Jewish admixture is responsible. I believe so far I’ve only seen Barcin listed for full Northern Europeans, which I think is the main proxy for EEF.

[Figaro]

What might Anatolia_Tepecik be a proxy for? Ancestry from later Neolithic waves between and including the late Neolithic-proper and the Eneolithic? This ancestry type is mainly found in Southern Europeans, as the farmer in north euros is exclusively from the first waves.

If I’m right, I might guess my Jewish admixture is responsible. I believe so far I’ve only seen Barcin listed for full Northern Europeans, which I think is the main proxy for EEF.

Bump.

[PaleoEuropean]

It's probably only a proxy for estimated Steppe ancestry overall and not just Yamnaya-proper.

I am sure, because with Hunter Gatherer I get the same wonky results, I have noticed that they must calculate Y and Mtdna SNP's somehow because I get places related to both all the time.

[Figaro]

I am sure, because with Hunter Gatherer I get the same wonky results, I have noticed that they must calculate Y and Mtdna SNP's somehow because I get places related to both all the time.

I wonder if snps having to do with that is why my Jewish ancestry requires a little touch of Sephardic (whether I’m truly part Sephardic or not)

[PaleoEuropean]

I wonder if snps having to do with that is why my Jewish ancestry requires a little touch of Sephardic (whether I’m truly part Sephardic or not)

I would think so, I notice the patterns with even just the basic admixtures, My haplogroup is H2a1 and I get all kinds of places specifically related to that haplogroup like Sorbs, Armenians etc which I am pretty certain I have zero relation to directly. H2a1 came to Scandinavia with the ENF.

[Figaro]

Bump. I'm not sure what to do with the coordinates and all, or rather, I'm not adept yet.

[Jana]

Everybody is getting huge amounts of Yamnaya, i wonder how accurate are the results

His mother is mostly northern European, what are you expecting ? All Europeans except southern ones are more Yamnaya than anything else.

[Jana]

What might Anatolia_Tepecik be a proxy for? Ancestry from later Neolithic waves between and including the late Neolithic-proper and the Eneolithic? This ancestry type is mainly found in Southern Europeans, as the farmer in north euros is exclusively from the first waves.

If I’m right, I might guess my Jewish admixture is responsible. I believe so far I’ve only seen Barcin listed for full Northern Europeans, which I think is the main proxy for EEF.

This is correct guess, I would say.

[Yamnaya]

His mother is mostly northern European, what are you expecting ? All Europeans except southern ones are more Yamnaya than anything else.

Croatians on average get around 35%, you got 44. Hungarian around 42% Stears got 49%. Corded mother is partly jewish, which have around 0-10% yamnaya, and got higher yamnaya than the average eastern european

[Jana]

Croatians on average get around 35%, you got 44. Hungarian around 42% Stears got 49%. Corded mother is partly jewish, which have around 0-10% yamnaya, and got higher yamnaya than the average eastern european

That is using different algorithm.

[Yamnaya]

That is using different algorithm.

Exactly, i could also use an algorithm that says that italians are 100% yamnaya, which makes the results fairly inaccurate.

The most accepted study is the one published by Haak et Al, and all the results this guy is giving are fair off of what Haak said

[Jana]

Exactly, i could also use an algorithm that says that italians are 100% yamnaya, which makes the results fairly inaccurate.

The most accepted study is the one published by Haak et Al, and all the results this guy is giving are fair off of what Haak said

I doubt it. And you can't use algortithm to show Italians are 100% Yamnaya lol :picard2:
Haak et All study was innacurate.

It showed Hungarians having higher Yamnaya than Ukrainians, English and Orcadians and that is BS. Also Czechs having higher Yamnaya than Belarusians. Hillarious.
Also Southern French having more Yamnaya than Croats is false.

[Yamnaya]

I doubt it. And you can't use algortithm to show Italians are 100% Yamnaya lol :picard2:
Haak et All study was innacurate.

It showed Hungarians having higher Yamnaya than Ukrainians, English and Orcadians and that is BS. Also Czechs having higher Yamnaya than Belarusians. Hillarious.
Also Southern French having more Yamnaya than Croats is false.

I can, by selecting only yamnaya and something like australian aboriginal, which will make the italian sample 100% yamnaya similarity.

Haak study is the most approved in the genetics field, if you can do better then go ahead, but i trust people that have higher knowledge of me in the genetic field, maybe tomorrow somebody will be quoting you instead of Haak

[Jana]

I can, by selecting only yamnaya and something like australian aboriginal, which will make the italian sample 100% yamnaya similarity.

Haak study is the most approved in the genetics field, if you can do better then go ahead, but i trust people that have higher knowledge of me in the genetic field, maybe tomorrow somebody will be quoting you instead of Haak

You can't, because the fit will be horiffic.
Davidski is creator of Eurogenes calculators, so why are you using them if you don't trust his work ?

Haak study is incorrect, many pro studies make mistakes. Davidski did nothing special, he just uploaded Yamnaya and other samples from pro studies made by professionals to nMonte.
What is not clear here exactly ?

[Yamnaya]

You can't, because the fit will be horiffic.
Davidski is creator of Eurogenes calculators, so why are you using them if you don't trust his work ?

Haak study is incorrect, many pro studies make mistakes. Davidski did nothing special, he just uploaded Yamnaya and other samples from pro studies made by professionals to nMonte.
What is not clear here exactly ?

I don't even know what Davidski theory about yamnayas is, all i'm saying is that Haak theory is the most accepted one. I haven't said at any moment that Davidski was wrong, so idk why are you bringing Eurogenes.


And i don't know, you tell me what's not clear? I just wondered about the accuracy of the results by Davidski as people were getting way higher results than the most accepted theory, then you quoted me.

[Jana]

I don't even know what Davidski theory about yamnayas is, all i'm saying is that Haak theory is the most accepted one. I haven't said at any moment that Davidski was wrong, so idk why are you bringing Eurogenes.
And i don't know, you tell me what's not clear? I just wondered about the accuracy of the results by Davidski as people were getting way higher results than the most accepted theory, then you quoted me.

What theory ? He doesn't have any theory, he just uploaded these samples to nMonte and compared them with neolithic and WHG samples for most Europeans.
Tables you posted have different components than what Davidski uses. It has something pre-Yamnaya which he doesn't use. Never heard for that component or what it is suposed to mean.

[Yamnaya]

What theory ? He doesn't have any theory, he just uploaded these samples to nMonte and compared them with neolithic and WHG samples for most Europeans.
Tables you posted have different components than what Davidski uses. It has something pre-Yamnaya which he doesn't use. Never heard for that component or what it is suposed to mean.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5048219/

[Figaro]

Davidski appears to just go with the most mainstream version of things Generally, but I have seen some intellectually Mavericky opinions from him before. The man is a Firm believer in steppe theory though.

[Jana]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5048219/

Do you really believe Orcadians, who are pretty close to Scandinavians and much more North Euro genetically, have less steppe than Hungarians, who are not very far from Balkan people ?
Just one example. This is commonsense, you don't need a degree for that.

[Jana]

Davidski appears to just go with the most mainstream version of things Generally, but I have seen some intellectually Mavericky opinions from him before. The man is a Firm believer in steppe theory though.

How much Jewish is your mother ?

[Yamnaya]

Do you really believe Orcadians, who are pretty close to Scandinavians and much more North Euro genetically, have less steppe than Hungarians, who are not very far from Balkan people ?
Just one example. This is commonsense, you don't need a degree for that.

Well those people do have a degree and multiple years of experience and say that that is true, so you tell me what research have you done in order to people to believe you more than others. You don't need a degree to understand that people with more knowledge and more experience are more trustable that people that don't have

[Jana]

Well those people do have a degree and multiple years of experience and say that that is true, so you tell me what research have you done in order to people to believe you more than others. You don't need a degree to understand that people with more knowledge and more experience are more trustable that people that don't have

There is a reseach British Islanders have massive amount of Bell Beaker genetics, and those are steppe-origin people who almost completely replaced natives of UK before them.
Every single study shows Orcadians as significantly less neolithic than Hungarians. Also Ukrainians are more steppe than Hungarians in every calculator and algorithm I seen.

You didn't answer my question, how is significantly more southern population like Hungarians so high in steppe compared to Brits and Ukrainians ?
It can mean only one thing, Hungarian samples used in Haak study were not representative.

[Yamnaya]

There is a reseach British Islanders have massive amount of Bell Beaker genetics, and those are steppe-origin people who almost completely replaced natives of UK before them.
Every single study shows Orcadians as significantly less neolithic than Hungarians. Also Ukrainians are more steppe than Hungarians in every calculator and algorithm I seen.

You didn't answer my question, how is significantly more southern population like Hungarians so high in steppe compared to Brits and Ukrainians ?
It can mean only one thing, Hungarian samples used in Haak study were not representative.

Bell beaker descended from Corded ware who had 73% yamnaya. In the Haak study it's written:
his second resurgence must have started during the Late Neolithic/Bronze Age period itself, as the Bell Beaker and Unetice groups had reduced Yamnaya ancestry compared to the earlier Corded Ware, and comparable levels to that in some present-day Europeans. The more Bell beaker the less early Yamnaya.

And i can't see to find the sheet were ukranians appear in the study, when i find i'll post it, because i remember reading that the highest yamnaya ancestry in European people were among Northeaster populations including ukraine

[Jana]

Bell beaker descended from Corded ware who had 73% yamnaya. In the Haak study it's written:
his second resurgence must have started during the Late Neolithic/Bronze Age period itself, as the Bell Beaker and Unetice groups had reduced Yamnaya ancestry compared to the earlier Corded Ware, and comparable levels to that in some present-day Europeans. The more Bell beaker the less early Yamnaya.

And i can't see to find the sheet were ukranians appear in the study, when i find i'll post it, because i remember reading that the highest yamnaya ancestry in European people were among Northeaster populations including ukraine

As you see in here, Yamnaya peaks in Norwegians.
https://i2.wp.com/www.norwegianamerican.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/HaakEtAlpage23Crop.jpg?ssl=1

[Yamnaya]

As you see in here, Yamnaya peaks in Norwegians.
https://i2.wp.com/www.norwegianamerican.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/HaakEtAlpage23Crop.jpg?ssl=1

There is multiple pics like this about the study than mention samy and other "weird" ethnicities mentioning them being 100% steppe, so i don't know how to interpret them, that's why i don't use them. There is no udmurt,nor russian, finnish,etc were in the study by Haak says those are the ethnicty that are most similar to yamnaya. I recommend you reading all the articles and studies posted by Haak and all the results posted by him, as the sheet i gave you a couple days ago

[Figaro]

How much Jewish is your mother ?

23 has it as 5.7% AJ, Ftdna 8%. It doesn’t show well on eurogenes calculators, beyond taking her Slavic elements and pushing them south a little (She gets frequent Croatian and Romanian hits)

[Daos777]

Did Davidski also use loschbour for his WHG or some other sample?

[Leto]

23 has it as 5.7% AJ, Ftdna 8%. It doesn’t show well on eurogenes calculators, beyond taking her Slavic elements and pushing them south a little (She gets frequent Croatian and Romanian hits)
She may be 1/16 Jewish. Nothing significant in my view but it's definitely real.

[Figaro]

She may be 1/16 Jewish. Nothing significant in my view but it's definitely real.

Right, it’s not enough for me that I frequently mention it to others or anything. I’m sure with me it’s genetically Barely visible.

Although I’m probably more of a Jew than Elizabeth Warren is Cherokee...:p

[Figaro]

Did Davidski also use loschbour for his WHG or some other sample?

I could ask. Anyone else know? Bump.

[Leto]

Right, it’s not enough for me that I frequently mention it to others or anything. I’m sure with me it’s genetically Barely visible.
Yep. It doesn't even equal 1/16 Middle Eastern. Maybe 1/32 Middle Eastern? Lol.

[Figaro]

Yep. It doesn't even equal 1/16 Middle Eastern. Maybe 1/32 Middle Eastern? Lol.

Haha. You’re probably right. Eh, it’s an interesting footnote about my ancestry and a minor curiosity. That’s how I look at it.

[Daos777]

I could ask. Anyone else know? Bump.

Yeah he did I just found it on his blog.

[Leto]

Haha. You’re probably right. Eh, it’s an interesting footnote about my ancestry and a minor curiosity. That’s how I look at it.
I see.
What are her East Med and Red Sea scores from K13 & K15. I'm curious.

[Figaro]

I see.
What are her East Med and Red Sea scores from K13 & K15. I'm curious.

I’d have to dig here on the forum for results I’ve posted in the past. I’m at work currently, and it would be difficult to do some runs right now. From what I can recall, they’re at about the levels of a typical Central European. Shit, on some tests my dad has even more than she does in those categories, and he has no measurable Jewish.

[Lemgrant]

I see.
What are her East Med and Red Sea scores from K13 & K15. I'm curious.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?176903-Rololz-MOM-s-23andme-Eurogenes-Whatchoo-Think&p=3687900&viewfull=1

K13:

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 37.28
2 North_Atlantic 32.84
3 West_Med 11.92
4 East_Med 6.83
5 West_Asian 5.66
6 South_Asian 1.77
7 Red_Sea 1.43
8 Siberian 1.39

K15:

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 24.49
2 Baltic 21.32
3 Eastern_Euro 17.87
4 Atlantic 17.32
5 West_Med 8.47
6 West_Asian 4.00
7 East_Med 3.48
8 South_Asian 1.43
9 Red_Sea 1.01

his father: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?151650-Rololz-Dad-s-Eurogenes-k13-and-k15

[Lemgrant]

Leto scores more red_sea than her.

[nittionia]

What is high east med? Even my dad gets 9.23 on K13

[Figaro]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?176903-Rololz-MOM-s-23andme-Eurogenes-Whatchoo-Think&p=3687900&viewfull=1

K13:

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 37.28
2 North_Atlantic 32.84
3 West_Med 11.92
4 East_Med 6.83
5 West_Asian 5.66
6 South_Asian 1.77
7 Red_Sea 1.43
8 Siberian 1.39

K15:

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 24.49
2 Baltic 21.32
3 Eastern_Euro 17.87
4 Atlantic 17.32
5 West_Med 8.47
6 West_Asian 4.00
7 East_Med 3.48
8 South_Asian 1.43
9 Red_Sea 1.01

his father: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?151650-Rololz-Dad-s-Eurogenes-k13-and-k15

Thank you sir, you’re the real MVP.

It’s curious. There’s no doubt the AJ is legit, but in certain areas it doesn’t really show much. Granted, yes, we’re not a substantial percentage, but....

[Leto]

Leto scores more red_sea than her.
Yeah, but my East Med is lower (oddly enough my parents' is even lower than mine, my father is at 0.9%, I believe, mother at 2.5% or so).

[Leto]

Thank you sir, you’re the real MVP.

It’s curious. There’s no doubt the AJ is legit, but in certain areas it doesn’t really show much. Granted, yes, we’re not a substantial percentage, but....
Full AJs are something like 30-35% EM (some outliers might reach 38%, I believe, but the average is in the lower 30s) and 5-8% RS, so if it's just 1/16, then no surprise it got all but washed out.

[Figaro]

Full AJs are something like 30-35% EM (some outliers might reach 38%, I believe, but the average is in the lower 30s) and 5-8% RS, so if it's just 1/16, then no surprise it got all but washed out.

Logical.

[Leto]

What is high east med? Even my dad gets 9.23 on K13
Depends on where the person is from. Levantine people can reach 50% in some cases. In Europe Sicilians, Campanians and Greek Islanders get the highest scores - 30-35% or so.

[Leto]

23 has it as 5.7% AJ, Ftdna 8%. It doesn’t show well on eurogenes calculators, beyond taking her Slavic elements and pushing them south a little (She gets frequent Croatian and Romanian hits)
Did you order FTDNA or upload? I ordered and the results (https://ibb.co/sjHLWZM) were the same for both me and my parents.

[Figaro]

Did you order FTDNA or upload? I ordered and the results (https://ibb.co/sjHLWZM) were the same for both me and my parents.

I just uploaded my 23andme raw data.

[PaleoEuropean]

Could be that Uralics are a later arrival to European zones and yes, "Yamnaya" is kind of a misnomer and is reflecting other things to help "explain" the "additional eastern-ness". For those who's structures can be more or less called "All European Genetic Structures" , it can probably be seen more literally, albeit yes, probably still inflated a touch.

Yea people and calculators over simplify things, the truth is a lot of the old theories from 1800's just don't pan out, just because there is similarity doesn't mean there is recent common descent or sometimes any similarity at all. In one of my anthropology classes one of the newer theories is that humans evolved simultaneously and may not even be directly related, the timelines of events have been thrown back many times, even European languages are being questioned again. Some people may not like it because it's not familiar but it's good we are looking at theories and questioning them again because the truth is more important in my opinion. We need advances in genetics, anthropology and other areas as well. Even Autosomal dna is just way out of date, half the Gedmatch calculators came out 10-15 years years ago which by genetic studies standards is like 50-100 years considering all the major advances we had since the 1980's.

[Figaro]

Yea people and calculators over simplify things, the truth is a lot of the old theories from 1800's just don't pan out, just because there is similarity doesn't mean there is recent common descent or sometimes any similarity at all. In one of my anthropology classes one of the newer theories is that humans evolved simultaneously and may not even be directly related, they timelines of events have been thrown back many times, even European languages are being questioned again. Some people may not like it because it's not familiar but it's good we are looking at theories and questioning them again because the truth is more important in my opinion. We need advances in genetics, anthropology and other areas as well. Even Autosomal dna is just way out of date, half the Gedmatch calculators came out 10-15 years years ago which by genetic studies standards is like 50-100 years considering all the major advances we had since the 1980's.

You tokin’, my brotha?

[PaleoEuropean]

You tokin’, my brotha?

High on life and drunk on knowledge

https://i.imgur.com/O7L7b2h.gif

[Lemgrant]

Jewish admixture is not represented only by east med and red sea components.
Those are the references in k13:
https://i.imgur.com/qmeQS6r.png

for example someone could score 0% red_sea and still be 25% Ashkenazi per paper trail and in k13 or k15 calculator.

one example is here: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?278404-Eastern-and-Central-Euro-K15-PCA&p=5808991&viewfull=1#post5808991

[Leto]

Jewish admixture is not represented only by east med and red sea components.
Those are the references in k13:
https://i.imgur.com/qmeQS6r.png

for example someone could score 0% red_sea and still be 25% Ashkenazi per paper trail and in k13 or k15 calculator.

one example is here: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?278404-Eastern-and-Central-Euro-K15-PCA&p=5808991&viewfull=1#post5808991
The thing is that the RS goes hand in hand with the EM. No ethnicity with high Red Sea gets zero East Med. The fst distance between them is 0.39 which is not too big. I think we should not forget the significant margin of error of all these runs
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dCZldTIfd-EPjDlpQiFNcHwOtZus9Qdll3pB48zdQG0/htmlview#

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The thing is that the RS goes hand in hand with the EM. No ethnicity with high Red Sea gets zero East Med. The fst distance between them is 0.39 which is not too big. I think we should not forget the significant margin of error of all these runs
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dCZldTIfd-EPjDlpQiFNcHwOtZus9Qdll3pB48zdQG0/htmlview#

https://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1006644

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Maybe a noobish question, bit of the Jewish ancestry was totally AJ, would it not have been just as close a “fit” to use just AJ? Mr. Davidski’s fit includes a morsel of Sephardi, or rather, maybe that small signal plus snps from my mtdna haplogroup are reflecting assimilated Cnaanic Jews?

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Any thoughts on the above?

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Something must be in the air, for I’m revisiting all this stuff again, ha.
Bump?

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Something must be in the air, for I’m revisiting all this stuff again, ha.
Bump?

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Anyone good modeling with the coordinates and such? I'm going to begin learning to model things myself, just have been swamped with work and moving, and all that shite.

I've been contacted by 23andme relatives recently in Latvia who have partial roots from Myadel, Belarus area (which my maternal grandmother's side was from) who know of relatives who left for America. Interestingly, these specific matches all speak of distant Tatar roots (and all show trace east asian percentages, ranging from Chinese to southeast asian pops). These sides otherwise seem pure to almost pure eastern european genetically.

Could be a lineage or lineages I'm not related to, is there any way to model reliably with that in mind? I'd imagine it would be nearly washed out even if we have it. Just curious.