Full or near full European Colonial Brazilian GEDmatch kits

[Adamastor]

Many Europeans and other non-Brazilians here don't understand the difference between Colonial and non-Colonial Brazilians: so I'll explain.

Colonial Brazilians are the people whom all the ancestry in Brazil dates back from 1808, the time in which Brazil was a colony of Portugal. Non-colonial are the ones with post-1808 ancestry from European countries other than Portugal and Spain, mainly Italy and Germany. There's a myth around the anthrofora stating that anyone in Brazil with ancestry older than 1800 is a pardo or significantly mixed.

I've seen tons of GEDmatch and 23andme results and I can attest with certainty: at least 30% of 95%+ European Brazilians have only or mostly colonial origins. Brazil has a very different history in this regard when compared with other Latin American countries.

I've seen the 23andme and pics of both of them.


1. His 23andme SSA is 0%, so I suppose he is scoring around the Portuguese average. But curiously he is modeled as Galician rather than Portuguese. Probably around 98-99% European.


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 32.55
2 West_Med 27.45
3 Baltic 12.89
4 East_Med 11.3
5 Red_Sea 4.73
6 West_Asian 4.35
7 Sub-Saharan 1.95
8 Northeast_African 1.84
9 Amerindian 1.6
10 East_Asian 1.34

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Galicia 6.29
2 Spanish_Extremadura 6.55
3 Portuguese 6.79
4 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 8.19
5 Spanish_Andalucia 8.51
6 Spanish_Murcia 8.54
7 North_Italian 8.66
8 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 8.88
9 Spanish_Cataluna 9.07
10 Spanish_Valencia 9.22
11 Spanish_Cantabria 9.28
12 Southwest_French 10.57
13 Spanish_Aragon 11.83
14 French 12.68
15 Tuscan 14.02
16 West_German 17.91
17 South_Dutch 18.03
18 Romanian 18.16
19 Serbian 18.58
20 Bulgarian 19.39

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82% Southwest_French + 18% Bedouin @ 4.43
2 82% Southwest_French + 18% Egyptian @ 4.69
3 82.2% Southwest_French + 17.8% Jordanian @ 4.77
4 82.4% Spanish_Galicia + 17.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.8
5 83.9% Spanish_Extremadura + 16.1% Moldavian @ 4.82
6 91.8% Spanish_Galicia + 8.2% Balkar @ 4.82
7 91.8% Spanish_Galicia + 8.2% Kabardin @ 4.84
8 81.5% Southwest_French + 18.5% Syrian @ 4.88
9 85.5% Spanish_Galicia + 14.5% Central_Greek @ 4.91
10 93.3% Spanish_Galicia + 6.7% Abhkasian @ 4.91
11 92.3% Spanish_Galicia + 7.7% Adygei @ 4.92
12 92.5% Spanish_Galicia + 7.5% North_Ossetian @ 4.92
13 93% Spanish_Galicia + 7% Georgian @ 4.92
14 91.8% Spanish_Galicia + 8.2% Kumyk @ 4.93
15 85.8% Spanish_Galicia + 14.2% East_Sicilian @ 4.96
16 82.9% Spanish_Galicia + 17.1% Bulgarian @ 4.97
17 77.7% Southwest_French + 22.3% Tunisian @ 4.97
18 92.5% Spanish_Galicia + 7.5% Ossetian @ 4.97
19 91.3% Spanish_Galicia + 8.7% Nogay @ 5
20 91.1% Spanish_Galicia + 8.9% Turkish @ 5.01


2. Scored 1.7% SSA in 23andme and 1.4% Amerindian, probably these are true minor ancestries otherwise he wouldn't have them in 23andme. Probably around 97% European.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 37.32
2 West_Med 24.92
3 East_Med 13.79
4 Baltic 9.93
5 West_Asian 3.76
6 Red_Sea 2.73
7 Northeast_African 2.3
8 Sub-Saharan 1.96
9 Amerindian 1.51
10 East_Asian 1.1
11 Oceanian 0.35
12 Siberian 0.33

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Portuguese 3.09
2 Spanish_Extremadura 3.28
3 Spanish_Murcia 3.71
4 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 4.4
5 Spanish_Galicia 4.62
6 Spanish_Andalucia 5.2
7 Spanish_Cataluna 5.29
8 Spanish_Valencia 5.42
9 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 5.59
10 Spanish_Cantabria 7.21
11 Spanish_Aragon 8.46
12 North_Italian 8.6
13 Southwest_French 9.57
14 French 10.64
15 Tuscan 14.1
16 West_German 16.53
17 South_Dutch 16.62
18 French_Basque 19.88
19 Romanian 20.26
20 West_Sicilian 20.38

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 91.7% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 8.3% Turkish @ 2.5
2 94.5% Spanish_Murcia + 5.5% Kabardin @ 2.51
3 94.3% Spanish_Murcia + 5.7% Kumyk @ 2.52
4 94.6% Spanish_Murcia + 5.4% Chechen @ 2.52
5 87.8% Spanish_Cataluna + 12.2% Mozabite_Berber @ 2.55
6 94.6% Spanish_Murcia + 5.4% Balkar @ 2.55
7 87.9% Spanish_Cataluna + 12.1% Moroccan @ 2.55
8 98.1% Portuguese + 1.9% San @ 2.56
9 92.5% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 7.5% Azeri @ 2.56
10 97.7% Spanish_Extremadura + 2.3% Sudanese @ 2.57
11 97.7% Spanish_Extremadura + 2.3% Ethiopian_Anuak @ 2.57
12 87.7% Spanish_Cataluna + 12.3% Algerian @ 2.57
13 94.8% Spanish_Murcia + 5.2% Adygei @ 2.57
14 94.9% Spanish_Murcia + 5.1% North_Ossetian @ 2.57
15 98.2% Portuguese + 1.8% Mbuti_Pygmy @ 2.58
16 97% Spanish_Murcia + 3% San @ 2.58
17 96.7% Portuguese + 3.3% Ossetian @ 2.58
18 96.6% Spanish_Murcia + 3.4% Sandawe @ 2.58
19 97.1% Portuguese + 2.9% Abhkasian @ 2.58
20 97.4% Spanish_Extremadura + 2.6% Sandawe @ 2.58


Both of them are near pure Iberian, with only 2-3% of admixture. It's closer to colonial White Americans than to colonial Latin Americans.

[Tooting Carmen]

Makes sense, many of the villages in the South of the country would have been quite isolated and homogeneous.

[Samnium]

Makes sense, many of the villages in the South of the country would have been quite isolated and homogeneous.

Yep the south, especially near the south border of Brazil look like the houses occupied by french in Cochinchine, in the middle of nowhere with european people that are here since decades and decades.

[Latinus]

Great thread!
Many people on these forums know shit about Brazil, but still act like they were experts regarding this country, which is ironic considering that Europeans, for example, love to brag "you don't know better than me, a national" when a "Sudaca" talks about their country. Clearly a double standard.

[Latinus]

I just don't understand this part of your post:

Non-colonial are the ones with post-1808 ancestry from European countries other than Portugal and Spain, mainly Italy and Germany.
Why exclude Iberians? Tons of Portuguese and Spaniards (mainly Andalusians and Galicians) immigrated to Brazil in the XIX and XX centuries, our Iberian stock is both colonial and recent. In fact, Spanish immigrants in pos-colonial Brazil were more numerous than Germans, even if the former immigration waves is way less commented than the latter.

[Adamastor]

Makes sense, many of the villages in the South of the country would have been quite isolated and homogeneous.

Yep the south, especially near the south border of Brazil look like the houses occupied by french in Cochinchine, in the middle of nowhere with european people that are here since decades and decades.

Your comments corroborate Latinus' post. Most Europeans, Latinos, Americans etc know nothing about Brazil.

These results are not from the South, they are from Rio de Janeiro and Minas Gerais. Southern Brazilian White colonials are more likely to have higher percentages (above 5-10%) of non-European components. Southern Brazil only became whiter after the colonial period.


I just don't understand this part of your post:

Why exclude Iberians? Tons of Portuguese and Spaniards (mainly Andalusians and Galicians) immigrated to Brazil in the XIX and XX centuries, our Iberian stock is both colonial and recent. In fact, Spanish immigrants in pos-colonial Brazil were more numerous than Germans, even if the former immigration waves is way less commented than the latter.

True. I didn't included Iberians in the post-colonial period because they were present since the beggining and sometimes it's hard to know if someone's ancestry is recent Iberian or colonial Iberian without genealogies.

[Tooting Carmen]

Your comments corroborate Latinus' post. Most Europeans, Latinos, Americans etc know nothing about Brazil.

These results are not from the South, they are from Rio de Janeiro and Minas Gerais. Southern Brazilian White colonials are more likely to have higher percentages (above 5-10%) of non-European components. Southern Brazil only became whiter after the colonial period.



True. I didn't included Iberians in the post-colonial period because they were present since the beggining and sometimes it's hard to know if someone's ancestry is recent Iberian or colonial Iberian without genealogies.

No need to be so touchy. When I say South, I mean everything from MG downwards.

[Cernunnos]

Cool to know that some Brazilians are still Portuguese by blood. I wonder how many are in reality lost Minhotos. :lol:

Perhaps there are also some full or near full Azoreans in Florianapolis.

[Adamastor]

Cool to know that some Brazilians are still Portuguese by blood. I wonder how many are in reality lost Minhotos. :lol:

Perhaps there are also some full or near full Azoreans in Florianapolis.

I think there's still a sizeable quantity of fully Portuguese Brazilians if you include the ones which arrived in the 19th century + the white colonials. But they are not more than 5% of the population. Most Brazilians scoring 95%+ European are mixed between different European ethnicities (but with more Portuguese ofc).

But taking into consideration most of the European input in Brazil is Iberian one could say Brazil is predominantly Iberian genetically. Even most people with recent immigrant background and triracial pardos are predominantly Portuguese as well.