Eurasian Hunter Gatherers Map

[Zroota]

Thoughts?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f3/Eastern_Hunter_Gatherers_Eurasia_context.jpg

[Zroota]

Btw, what's the difference between Eastern Hunter Gatherers and Caucasian Hunter Gatherers? Is the latter a subgroup of EHG?

[Sche]

Btw, what's the difference between Eastern Hunter Gatherers and Caucasian Hunter Gatherers? Is the latter a subgroup of EHG?
https://i.ibb.co/mH5PZTY/a4330f73785b0d9cf5de53296b60f976.jpg

[Evrim]

Iranian farmers were ancestors of native Elamites?

[vbnetkhio]

[QUOTE=Shelati;6290026]Thoughts?

weren't SHGs i2? and Anatolian farmers G2a and E-v13
CHGs were j2.

Yamnaya was r1b-z2103, and Bell Beaker and Afanasievo were r1b-L51

[Zroota]

https://i.ibb.co/mH5PZTY/a4330f73785b0d9cf5de53296b60f976.jpg
Thanks for the diagram.

I got Armenian Chacolith on Gedmath. What the heck is that? It's not related to CHG, right (diagram shows they show a common root but they don't come from each other)?

[vbnetkhio]

Btw, what's the difference between Eastern Hunter Gatherers and Caucasian Hunter Gatherers? Is the latter a subgroup of EHG?

EHG were 70% r1a ANE immigrants from Siberia and 30% something local from Eastern Europe, which was similar to WHG.

CHG were j2, they pretty much originated from the first humans which settled in the Caucasus and didn't mix with anybody, until 13 000 years ago when they started mixing with ANE

[Zroota]

EHG were 70% r1a ANE immigrants from Siberia and 30% something local from Eastern Europe, which was similar to WHG.

CHG were j2, they pretty much originated from the first humans which settled in the Caucasus and didn't mix with anybody, until 13 000 years ago when they started mixing with ANE
Thanks.

What exactly is Armenian Chalcolith? It's EHG, right? And they have nothing to do with CHGs?

Excuse the questions if they seem 'dumb' cos I am new to this. :)

[21993]

Btw, what's the difference between Eastern Hunter Gatherers and Caucasian Hunter Gatherers? Is the latter a subgroup of EHG?

AFAIK, both are predominantly ANE but EHG have WHG tendencies and CHG have Natufian tendencies.

[vbnetkhio]

Thanks.

What exactly is Armenian Chalcolith? It's EHG, right? And they have nothing to do with CHGs?

Excuse the questions if they seem 'dumb' cos I am new to this. :)

on that graph they seem to be a mix of EHG, Iran_N, and Anatolia_N. and Iran_N was closely related to CHG i believe.

[Kyp]

on that graph they seem to be a mix of EHG, Iran_N, and Anatolia_N. and Iran_N was closely related to CHG i believe.

What's the difference between Iran_N and CHG?

[Zroota]

What's the difference between Iran_N and CHG?
Good question! Want to know too. :cool:

[vbnetkhio]

What's the difference between Iran_N and CHG?

from what i can see Iran_N is CHG + Natufian + something "ancient central asian" that we haven't discovered yet

[vbnetkhio]

Good question! Want to know too. :cool:

here's another theory
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_North_Eurasian

CHG were ~36% ANE and ~64% Dzudzuana, an ancient Cuacasian sample, as i said pretty much
and Iran_N was ~50% ANE ~50% Dzudzuana

[FinalFlash]

Good question! Want to know too. :cool:

They're both very similar components. Iran_N has a central asian shift is the only significant difference between both. CHG is a slightly "purer" West Asia component.

[Zroota]

They're both very similar components. Iran_N has a central asian shift is the only significant difference between both. CHG is a slightly "purer" West Asia component.
Ah I see.

Where is Armenian Chalcolith shifted?

[vbnetkhio]

They're both very similar components. Iran_N has a central asian shift is the only significant difference between both. CHG is a slightly "purer" West Asia component.

by Central Asian you mean ANE?

[21993]

What's the difference between Iran_N and CHG?


Good question! Want to know too. :cool:


from what i can see Iran_N is CHG + Natufian + something "ancient central asian" that we haven't discovered yet

As far as I know, Iranian Neolithic or Iran_N is midway between CHG and Ancestral South Indian.

[Zroota]

As far as I know, Iranian Neolithic or Iran_N is midway between CHG and Ancestral South Indian.
What about Levantine_N and Natufians?

[21993]

What about Levantine_N and Natufians?

I think they cluster with today’s Saudis.

[FinalFlash]

As far as I know, Iranian Neolithic or Iran_N is midway between CHG and Ancestral South Indian.

Please don't talk out of your ass. Lol Iran_N clusters very close to CHG

[Sche]

What did our ancestors of the Aryans look like?
Like a mixture of Karelian and Armenians;)
[1] "distance%=6.5682"
CWC_Baltic_early
EHG,60.4
CHG,25.4
Barcin_N,14.2

[Zroota]

What did our ancestors of the Aryans look like?
Like a mixture of Karelian and Armenians;)
[1] "distance%=6.5682"
CWC_Baltic_early
EHG,60.4
CHG,25.4
Barcin_N,14.2
Are these results from Gedmatch?

[Kyp]

As far as I know, Iranian Neolithic or Iran_N is midway between CHG and Ancestral South Indian.

midway? Iranian Farmers like BMAC cluster very close to CHG. That's why I was wondering.

[21993]

midway? Iranian Farmers like BMAC cluster very close to CHG. That's why I was wondering.

I will ask a question related to Iranian Neolithic soon.

[Zroota]

I will ask a question related to Iranian Neolithic soon.
And I should probably ask one about Armenia Chalcolithic.

[21993]

And I should probably ask one about Armenia Chalcolithic.

Not really sure but I guess Armenia Chalcholithic is intermediate between Caucasian and Southern European.

[vbnetkhio]

European Indo-European cultures

https://i.imgur.com/ImlSjAc.jpg

[Zroota]

Bump

[Oghuz]

midway? Iranian Farmers like BMAC cluster very close to CHG. That's why I was wondering.

Iran_N is like 80 % CHG itself.

[FinalFlash]

Iran_N is like 80 % CHG itself.

Iran_N is basically CHG with a bit of a central Asian shift. They're almost identical. In Hadouken's words, "Iran_N is a slightly subhuman version of CHG" lool

[Oghuz]

Iran_N is basically CHG with a bit of a central Asian shift. They're almost identical. In Hadouken's words, "Iran_N is a slightly subhuman version of CHG" lool

Yes I believe chg component in iran_n will be even higher than 80% as they drift away from Central Asia.

Some sad trolls are trying very hard to ruin this thread.

[Zroota]

Yes I believe chg component in iran_n will be even higher than 80% as they drift away from Central Asia.

Some sad trolls are trying very hard to ruin this thread.
Who do you mean?

[NPKTO]

Btw, what's the difference between Eastern Hunter Gatherers and Caucasian Hunter Gatherers? Is the latter a subgroup of EHG?
Eastern Hunter Gatherers is mixture of Ancestral North Eurasian + Western Hunter Gatherers. Caucasian Hunter Gatherer is mixture of Ancestral North Eurasians + Basal Eurasian + slight Eastern Hunter Gatherer admix. Iranian Neolithic is similar to Caucasian Hunter Gather (without Eastern Hunter Gatherer admix) + slight extra Basal Eurasian + slight Eastern Non African admixture. Basal Eurasians are hypothetical population that lived somewhere in Middle East and contributed to all farmers that originate from that region. Levant Neolithic, Anatolia Neolithic, Iranian Neolithic all have Basal Eurasian admix. However, the hunter gatherer base that mixed to form these farming groups have different origins.

[Zroota]

I think the map in the OP disappeared. Not sure what happened. But here it is again:

https://i.postimg.cc/v8bmW0KL/Eurasian-HGs.jpg

[Zroota]

Bump to this nice thread

[Synapsid]

Btw, what's the difference between Eastern Hunter Gatherers and Caucasian Hunter Gatherers? Is the latter a subgroup of EHG?

EHG = ANE (Siberian caucasiods) + European hunter gatherer
CHG=ANE + Near East native (Dzudzuana)

[Zroota]

EHG = ANE (Siberian caucasiods) + European hunter gatherer
CHG=ANE + Near East native (Dzudzuana)
I know that now. But thanks. :)

[Rocinante]

What of those components could be counted as modern european ancestry and ME/NA ancenstry? For example, WHG is european and Natufian is ME/NA, what about the others?