View Full Version : Slavic admixture in German samples on Global25
Peterski
11-14-2019, 07:27 PM
Attached table shows German samples sorted by % of Sorb in a 7-way mixture model:
Model used:
SOURCE:
Sorb, Swiss_German, Dutch, Alsace, Nord, Belgian, Germany_Medieval (averages)
TARGET:
German and German_East (individuals)
In Vahaduo: https://vahaduo.github.io/vahaduo/
SOURCE averages used:
Swiss_German,0.127624,0.1407779,0.0460088,0.022731 1,0.0406229,0.0073906,0.0027906,0.0051344,0.008640 9,0.0121641,-0.0015224,0.005264,-0.0149402,-0.008808,0.0083638,-0.0011269,-0.0025912,0.0012192,0.0053735,-0.0009222,0.0019341,0.0035086,-0.0025574,0.006974,-0.0025596
Dutch,0.1267527,0.1313048,0.0610935,0.0461486,0.04 0469,0.0166244,0.0065435,0.0080802,0.003576,0.0003 275,-0.0064447,0.0045873,-0.0087082,-0.0088422,0.0174443,0.005345,-0.0082143,0.0012669,0.0042698,0.0028138,0.0046909, 0.0028672,0.0002678,0.0153541,-0.0004921
French_Alsace,0.1273112,0.1403715,0.0503172,0.0224 324,0.0384224,0.0089105,0.0029199,0.0048748,0.0068 516,0.010679,-0.0031341,0.0045785,-0.0094438,-0.0041699,0.0085606,0.0030662,-0.0048927,0.0024387,0.003243,-0.000716,0.0027639,0.0011562,-0.0013219,0.0071364,-0.0003143
French_Nord,0.1282752,0.1405432,0.0513571,0.025605 1,0.0382728,0.0088906,0.0010967,0.0044194,0.008373 ,0.0120166,-0.003484,0.0040328,-0.0108613,-0.0081823,0.0111991,0.0025432,-0.0046069,0.0022266,0.0040947,0.0010308,0.0021327, 0.0015249,-0.0015724,0.0074707,1.45e-05
Belgian,0.1271867,0.1378863,0.0508694,0.0285197,0. 038879,0.0112177,0.0042389,0.0034529,0.0074159,0.0 110489,-0.0050521,0.0047014,-0.0127298,-0.0096131,0.0131448,0.0035701,-0.004404,0.00221,0.0022114,-0.0012784,0.0035491,0.0017494,-0.0014059,0.0102914,0.0011088
DEU_MA,0.1223596,0.1303939,0.061169,0.048773,0.039 792,0.0199408,0.010975,0.0052151,0.0013295,-0.0024966,-0.003735,0.001109,-0.0091576,-0.0038398,0.0161643,-0.0008352,-0.0133511,0.0032684,0.0041354,0.0040271,0.0060019, 0.0037342,-0.0007273,0.011146,-0.0004429
Sorb_Niederlausitz,0.130897,0.137096,0.068636,0.05 6848,0.050779,0.021196,0.011281,0.011076,-0.003477,-0.017312,-0.002111,-0.006744,0.013082,0.017891,-0.008415,0.001061,0.008475,-0.006208,0.007039,-0.004127,-0.003369,-0.007543,0.008011,-0.004458,0.001197
TARGET individuals used:
German:German1,0.12862,0.132019,0.05242,0.042959,0 .051086,0.025379,0.006345,0.006692,-0.005727,-0.005285,-0.016888,0.003447,-0.002973,-0.007019,0.011536,0.007027,-0.001173,-0.002407,-0.002765,0.002876,0.007112,-0.005193,-0.001232,0.01217,-0.000479
German:German10,0.118376,0.127957,0.060339,0.04392 8,0.040623,0.005299,-0.00188,0.010615,0.002659,-0.002187,-0.001949,-0.002698,-0.002973,-0.003303,-0.002579,0.003978,-0.00326,0.011402,0.001383,0.004752,-0.004742,0.005935,0.007888,0.016026,-0.00012
German:German11,0.121791,0.137096,0.059585,0.04618 9,0.037238,0.025658,-0.003525,-0.003231,0.008385,-0.008383,-0.008769,-0.002698,0.005054,0.010597,0.009772,-0.017104,-0.011343,0.009122,-0.006536,0.002751,-0.001872,0.008161,0.009983,0.008314,-0.001916
German:German12,0.12862,0.141159,0.050911,0.045866 ,0.036007,0.021196,0.000235,0.002538,0.00634,-0.005285,-0.009581,0.003897,0.002825,-0.012524,0.022122,0.01843,0.007953,-0.000507,0.004902,0.007379,-0.006988,0.004328,-0.00493,0.012652,0.003473
German:German13,0.12862,0.126941,0.079572,0.054264 ,0.038161,0.025937,0.003995,0.009,0.002045,-0.014579,-0.004222,-0.015137,0.001189,0.009083,0.001221,0.001724,-0.013038,-0.00038,0.006536,0.00988,0.000125,-0.003957,0.003574,-0.013134,0.001676
German:German14,0.129758,0.135065,0.032055,0.01582 7,0.045239,0.015897,0.00329,0.009923,0.002454,0.01 4032,-0.009256,0.009591,-0.005798,0.003991,0.013979,-0.014983,-0.020079,0.010515,0.007416,0,-0.003619,-0.008532,0.008381,0.003133,0.001197
German:German15,0.125205,0.151314,0.061094,0.03262 3,0.0437,0.02008,0.012456,0.007615,0.015135,0.0215 04,-0.009419,-0.00015,-0.02111,-0.003991,0.018458,0.010077,-0.009909,0.004181,0.002765,0.004877,0.015348,-0.005317,0.002465,0.003133,-0.001078
German:German16,0.133173,0.137096,0.054682,0.05781 7,0.034776,0.012271,0.009165,0.007384,0.000614,-0.011845,-0.005196,0.005545,0.004757,-0.012937,0.013572,0.017767,0.021644,0.003801,0.004 022,-0.002126,0.005615,-0.002102,-0.003944,0.019762,0.002874
German:German17,0.135449,0.147252,0.061094,0.05232 6,0.037545,0.019801,0.005405,0.012461,0.000818,-0.010023,0.000974,-0.006594,0.001041,0.010046,-0.002443,-0.006762,-0.005867,0.004307,0.008547,-0.002126,0.003494,-0.002473,0.010599,-0.006989,0.005508
German:German18,0.141141,0.135065,0.073539,0.04231 3,0.034776,0.010877,-0.00141,0.002538,0.000409,-0.002005,-0.005521,-0.001798,0.002676,0.00578,-0.001493,0.014983,0.015125,-0.002154,0.002263,0.005127,0.013975,0.004451,-0.006039,0.002289,-0.00012
German:German19,0.125205,0.131003,0.064111,0.03940 6,0.044624,0.004741,0.005875,0.003,0.007158,0.0074 72,-0.004222,0.019483,-0.007136,-0.014038,-0.005022,0.005834,0.01017,0.000887,0.011816,0.0107 55,-0.001996,-0.002226,0.000986,0.008676,0.002395
German:German2,0.122929,0.137096,0.041106,0.014535 ,0.031698,0.023148,0.003055,0.011307,-0.000409,0.016766,0.000162,0.006894,-0.006838,-0.0139,0.005293,-0.009812,-0.012908,-0.00152,-0.000251,-0.001501,0.003244,0.010634,-0.004067,0.003615,-0.006227
German:German20,0.132035,0.128972,0.061094,0.03843 7,0.040007,0.023148,0.006345,0.005307,-0.003681,-0.017677,-0.006171,-0.006444,0.000297,0.018029,0.01045,-0.004375,-0.010561,-0.006968,0.001383,-0.007629,-0.003993,0.006059,-0.006286,0.008314,0.002275
German:German21,0.127482,0.125926,0.063733,0.02939 3,0.0397,0.02008,-0.004465,0.007384,-0.004295,0.001093,0.00065,0.005395,-0.006987,-0.00289,0.011536,0.010475,0.007041,0.004181,0.0025 14,0.02076,-0.000499,-0.003339,0.016762,0.018316,-0.000838
German:German22,0.132035,0.135065,0.04978,0.01938, 0.034468,0.01004,0.0094,0.003231,0.008385,0.006378 ,-0.001137,0.001798,-0.014123,-0.005918,0.012893,0.008353,-0.020992,0.003674,0.006034,-0.010255,-0.003369,0.006925,-0.010476,0.01928,0.000599
German:German23,0.129758,0.125926,0.07203,0.062339 ,0.04647,0.021196,0.010575,0.01223,0.002863,-0.006743,-0.005684,-0.004796,0.019475,0.009221,0.002579,0.003713,0.008 866,-0.001394,-0.001508,-0.001376,-0.004243,-0.000618,-0.000616,0.00964,-0.003473
German:German24,0.134311,0.141159,0.061471,0.05458 7,0.041546,0.015897,0.008225,0.007846,-0.009204,-0.001276,-0.004709,0.008243,-0.008474,-0.003853,0.021037,-0.009679,-0.015125,0.001774,0.010936,0.012881,0.010232,0.003 71,0.000123,0.017352,-0.003233
German:German25,0.133173,0.137096,0.057699,0.03520 7,0.039084,0.020917,0.004935,0.010384,-0.000818,0.002369,-0.012666,0.002548,-0.017542,-0.000963,0.0095,-0.002519,-0.022296,-0.000507,0.003394,0.008254,0.006863,0.005193,0.005 793,0.00241,-0.001676
German:German26,0.132035,0.137096,0.056945,0.03714 5,0.036622,0.01506,0.006345,0.010846,-0.005318,0.017312,-0.00682,0.008243,-0.009812,-0.015827,0.012079,0.009679,0.018384,0.009375,0.006 034,0.004252,-0.001373,0.003091,0.002465,0.023859,-0.004311
German:German27,0.130897,0.12491,0.071276,0.050711 ,0.036314,0.021196,-0.001175,0.003692,0.007976,-0.000547,0.000974,-0.002997,-0.005352,0.001101,0.002986,-0.005569,-0.021383,0.004561,0.013701,0.000625,0.006738,-0.001607,-0.002218,0.015544,0.007065
German:German28,0.134311,0.140143,0.051288,0.02584 ,0.039392,0.005578,-0.000235,-0.003231,-0.004295,0.011663,-0.012017,0.001349,-0.010109,-0.008257,0.008143,0.018563,0.019166,-0.006841,0.013952,0.010005,-0.000873,-0.00136,0.000616,0.001687,0.000359
German:German29,0.127482,0.137096,0.062602,0.04166 7,0.048317,0.013666,0.003055,0.009923,0.002659,0.0 06378,-0.002436,-0.001199,-0.007879,-0.003578,0.002443,0.004773,-0.009518,0.003674,0.010182,-0.00075,0.007112,0.006306,0.001972,0.010363,0.0087 42
German:German3,0.137726,0.138112,0.050157,0.035853 ,0.038469,0.013945,0.013396,0.013384,0.008999,0.00 8565,-0.002923,-0.001948,-0.002676,-0.006744,0.004614,-0.001458,-0.000652,0.004181,0,-0.005503,0.003369,0.005193,-0.010353,0.002048,-0.003233
German:German30,0.125205,0.140143,0.056568,0.02002 6,0.027082,0.00251,0.009635,0.013615,0,0.00893,-0.000162,0.009142,-0.010704,-0.007019,0.016829,-0.006364,-0.014081,0.006588,0.008673,0.000625,0.004243,0.008 037,-0.004314,0.015544,-0.00012
German:German31,0.129758,0.135065,0.058454,0.03940 6,0.041238,0.019801,0.003055,0.014307,0.018203,-0.003098,-0.002436,0.007943,-0.008176,-0.009771,0.015065,0.002652,-0.001434,0.007348,0.009804,0.007754,0.009858,0.005 441,-0.002218,0.019641,-0.012813
German:German32,0.141141,0.144205,0.050157,0.03972 9,0.038161,0.027331,0.014571,0,-0.005727,0.004009,-0.008444,0.013338,-0.011744,-0.006055,-0.000407,0.00305,-0.002086,0.005194,0.004148,0.003877,0.010232,0.008 161,-0.000123,0.016388,0.010777
German:German33,0.120652,0.147252,0.053928,0.02745 5,0.05878,0.006414,0.005875,-0.001154,0.002454,0.00328,-0.012504,0.015137,-0.019623,0.002064,0.015879,-0.010607,-0.01343,0.00038,-0.004274,-0.013131,0.000998,0.004328,0.006162,0.001446,0.007 784
German:German34,0.130897,0.141159,0.055437,0.05200 3,0.036007,0.016455,0,0.008077,-0.003886,-0.000729,-0.007632,0.008692,-0.004014,-0.003165,0.012486,0.009812,-0.007041,-0.00152,-0.006034,-0.000125,0.006114,-0.002226,-0.003081,0.006627,0.004311
German:German35,0.129758,0.135065,0.074293,0.06040 1,0.032929,0.026774,-0.005875,0.005307,0.008181,0.003098,-0.005034,-0.001049,-0.001933,-0.003441,0.007057,-0.014717,-0.029336,-0.00152,-0.002388,0.002376,0.004492,0.008532,0.008258,0.007 712,-0.006227
German:German36,0.129758,0.131003,0.071653,0.05878 6,0.044316,0.0251,0.003995,0.007615,0.009817,-0.006925,-0.004709,-0.004796,0.001784,0.010459,-0.001629,0.009281,-0.007041,0.005321,0.008925,-0.006628,0.007861,-0.00136,0.011092,0.011809,-0.00479
German:German37,0.122929,0.142174,0.062602,0.02777 8,0.042469,0.006972,0.00329,-0.003692,0.013294,0.002005,-0.01494,0.005395,-0.000446,-0.006606,0.008686,0.010209,-0.002608,-0.00266,0.004902,0.002876,0.006239,-0.005812,-0.000986,0.011206,0.000239
German:German38,0.130897,0.150298,0.041483,0.02680 9,0.030467,0.016455,0.005405,0.007384,0.003681,0.0 09112,-0.009906,0.005245,-0.008771,0.000963,0.009908,-0.008618,-0.01017,-0.013302,-0.000754,-0.001626,-0.005116,0.01422,-0.005669,0.005543,-0.001796
German:German39,0.12862,0.139128,0.04978,0.050065, 0.044931,0.027889,0.005405,0.008077,0.002863,0.005 467,0.001299,0.006744,-0.011447,-0.008257,0.012893,0.00716,-0.00678,-0.00076,0.011187,0.00075,0.009358,0.012489,0.00505 3,0.002289,0.015567
German:German4,0.136588,0.129988,0.055437,0.041667 ,0.036622,0.015618,-0.002115,0.008538,0.007772,-0.002916,-0.001624,0.004346,-0.004162,-0.005918,0.00855,0.004906,0.009388,-0.000507,-0.002891,0.005878,0.003119,0.002226,0.003204,0.003 494,0.000359
German:German40,0.130897,0.132019,0.062225,0.04199 ,0.040931,0.017291,0.00705,0.013846,0.006136,-0.005832,-0.011205,0.002997,-0.00773,-0.00234,0.001357,0.011403,0.006128,0.002027,0.0077 93,0.005628,0.003119,-0.003957,0.003697,0.007712,-0.005508
German:German41,0.132035,0.138112,0.055437,0.03553 ,0.060319,0.021475,-0.004465,0.007384,0.007976,0.013303,-0.00747,0.010341,-0.007284,0.003578,0.015065,0.009414,-0.000652,-0.006334,0.01345,0.002001,0.007861,0.002597,-0.006409,0.003253,0.006826
German:German42,0.122929,0.133034,0.064488,0.04554 3,0.045855,0.01255,0.003055,0.00923,-0.003068,0.003098,-0.012666,-0.004346,-0.004014,0.009634,-0.000407,-0.007292,-0.015125,0.003547,0.009176,-0.005127,-0.009234,-0.003091,-0.008011,-0.00494,0.003712
German:German43,0.129758,0.139128,0.046386,0.02680 9,0.038469,0.003068,0.006345,0.002538,-0.004704,0.002551,0.000974,-0.001649,-0.000446,-0.007844,0.006243,-0.006364,-0.018906,-0.004687,-0.005531,0.001376,0.001497,0.004946,-0.009244,0.008435,0.002874
German:German44,0.132035,0.136081,0.053928,0.02842 4,0.0437,0.012271,0.00376,0.006692,0.015953,0.0136 68,-0.001624,-0.004496,-0.011744,-0.012111,0.003257,0.005304,-0.001304,0.006588,0.014204,-0.003252,0.004367,0.00779,-0.003697,0.00976,-0.008023
German:German45,0.129758,0.133034,0.053928,0.04780 4,0.034468,0.01757,0.012691,0.023999,0.011862,-0.00492,-0.005359,0.008093,-0.002825,0.007294,0.006922,-0.01074,-0.015776,-0.003674,0.01081,0.002626,0.001123,0.009274,-0.004683,0.012773,-0.001078
German:German46,0.137726,0.133034,0.062602,0.05749 4,0.030467,0.031236,0.003525,0.010153,-0.0045,-0.00656,0.004547,-0.001199,-0.005054,-0.00867,0.02158,0.007823,-0.005476,0.000633,-0.006913,0.01088,0.015348,0.002968,-0.001602,0.000843,0.000239
German:German47,0.135449,0.137096,0.062602,0.04069 8,0.053548,0.01506,0.008695,0.002308,0.003681,0.00 5832,-0.005846,0.00045,-0.00446,-0.007432,0.001221,0.002519,-0.00339,-0.004687,0.00352,-0.001126,0.007736,0.001855,0.006039,0.006989,0.007 065
German:German48,0.133173,0.138112,0.038466,0.01518 1,0.041854,0.006414,0.001175,0.001846,0.014521,0.0 10752,-0.005846,0.006744,-0.008771,-0.011147,0.014929,0.001856,0.002086,0.00038,-0.007668,-0.002001,0.00574,-0.003215,0.002958,0.008555,0.001317
German:German49,0.122929,0.135065,0.051288,0.04715 8,0.039084,0.002789,-0.00235,0.002538,-0.000205,0.007836,0.003248,0.008542,-0.008028,-0.008945,0.019272,0.006629,-0.01369,0.00266,0.006034,0.005628,0.016471,-0.008408,0.011216,0.014219,-0.001796
German:German5,0.124067,0.131003,0.041483,0.020672 ,0.036314,0.009203,-0.001645,0.000923,0.01084,0.011299,0.00682,0.00509 5,-0.00773,0.000413,0.007872,0.002121,-0.002868,-0.000887,-0.00088,-0.000125,-0.002246,-0.000742,0.011832,0.000602,-0.006586
German:German50,0.141141,0.131003,0.06675,0.038114 ,0.042469,0.012271,-0.002585,0.008538,0.003477,0.005103,-0.015102,0.004646,0.006541,-0.011285,0.014251,0.02201,-0.001304,0.007601,0.007668,0.012631,0.001872,-0.009645,-0.007641,0.013375,-0.003712
German:German51,0.125205,0.145221,0.062979,0.04522 ,0.037238,0.015897,0.016451,0.010846,0.000818,0.00 2369,0.000325,0.002698,-0.004162,0.001239,0.009365,0.009679,0.015516,0.001 014,0.007165,0.002626,-0.001497,-0.002597,0,0.008073,-0.001437
German:German52,0.134311,0.147252,0.054305,0.05426 4,0.052933,0.027052,0.000235,0.008769,-0.003068,0.000729,-0.00341,0.009142,-0.009663,-0.002752,0.007872,0.000796,0.002999,-0.0019,0.003017,-5e-04,0.001747,0.005441,-0.001232,0.022172,0.009221
German:German53,0.134311,0.138112,0.046763,0.01679 6,0.038161,0.007809,-0.005875,0.003,0.007976,0.006196,-0.012179,0.010641,0.000149,-0.013212,0.007736,-0.003315,-0.017341,0.002407,0.011439,-0.006503,0.009358,0.007296,0.000616,-0.000843,0.006945
German:German54,0.132035,0.129988,0.05506,0.024225 ,0.032621,0.008367,0.00423,0.006231,0.001841,0.006 925,0.004709,0.001499,-0.00223,-0.002064,0.003936,0.002652,-0.01343,-0.007095,0.00352,-0.008754,0.004492,0.003957,-0.005916,0.013255,-0.002275
German:German55,0.132035,0.137096,0.053551,0.02164 1,0.030159,0.013387,-0.00423,0.006231,-0.001636,0.008383,-0.002923,0.00015,-0.014717,-0.005092,0.00665,0.017502,-0.004042,-0.000633,0.006536,0.001751,0.000749,0.004328,-0.002958,0.00735,0.003233
German:German56,0.130897,0.148267,0.06939,0.032623 ,0.042162,0.023148,0.015276,-0.011307,-0.001023,0.002551,-0.007957,0.011989,-0.012933,0.00055,0.0076,-0.001989,0.004042,0.011782,-0.00729,0.013256,0.002745,0.00371,0.003328,0.01060 4,0.00491
German:German57,0.132035,0.127957,0.058454,0.04199 ,0.033545,0.022032,-0.002585,0.003923,-0.005113,-0.012392,-0.004709,-0.01139,-0.001189,-0.006881,0.017508,0.005436,-0.002477,0.007095,0.003017,-0.012631,0.005241,0.004204,0.012448,0.003133,-0.002155
German:German58,0.122929,0.132019,0.052797,0.04263 6,0.039084,0.00753,0.00987,0.004384,0.007976,0.010 57,-0.00406,0.002548,-0.003271,-0.003441,0.013708,0.006497,-0.009648,0.007601,0.015587,0.007629,-0.003369,-0.004081,0.007765,0.009399,0.003353
German:German59,0.12862,0.133034,0.063733,0.05814, 0.056318,0.014223,0.014571,0.004384,0.015544,0.000 729,-0.000812,-0.002548,-0.012636,0.000688,0.018051,0.019093,0.009388,0.001 014,0.006913,0.01088,0.004742,0.003833,-0.003451,0.001325,0.001317
German:German6,0.130897,0.151314,0.049026,0.042313 ,0.036622,0.022869,0.012691,0.004615,0.000818,0.00 8565,0.003897,0.007343,-0.012636,-0.013074,0.016015,-0.003713,-0.01682,-0.003674,0.009553,-0.002126,-0.008984,-0.001237,-0.008751,0.029643,0.003832
German:German60,0.127482,0.136081,0.047517,0.03165 4,0.032314,0.018407,0.00188,0.003231,0.001227,0.01 221,-0.006171,0.003897,-0.003568,-0.010184,0.000271,-0.000398,-0.004433,0.010008,-0.007919,-0.002751,0.003494,0.004204,-0.008627,0.00723,0.00479
German:German61,0.135449,0.140143,0.057699,0.02325 6,0.033237,0.009761,0.006815,0.000923,0.013908,0.0 0164,0.005196,0.000899,-0.005946,-0.018029,0.0038,0.011933,0.01708,0.007475,0.009804 ,0.009379,0.007237,0.007666,-0.003821,0.002892,-0.008023
German:German62,0.132035,0.13405,0.073539,0.055556 ,0.036314,0.033188,0.010105,0.003231,0.006954,-0.009476,-0.000487,-0.000749,0.009366,0.001789,-0.003664,0.01074,0.012647,0.000633,-0.002388,-0.00025,0.002246,0.000989,0.001479,0.013496,-0.000599
German:German63,0.122929,0.138112,0.070522,0.06363 1,0.051086,0.021196,0.00188,0.005077,-0.000818,-0.009476,-0.005034,0.003147,0.012636,0.010459,0.016015,0.004 508,-0.005607,0.011909,0.001383,-0.001751,0.003619,-0.000618,0.005546,0.015906,0.004431
German:German64,0.137726,0.125926,0.064488,0.04392 8,0.03693,0.02008,0.001645,-0.003,-0.000818,-0.011116,-0.004872,-0.004796,-0.00892,0.013487,0.0019,0.004906,0.002347,-0.007221,-0.00176,0.003502,0.002371,0.00272,0.008874,-0.000241,-0.007544
German:German65,0.121791,0.137096,0.044123,0.03843 7,0.036314,0.01255,0.00658,-0.001385,0,0.011116,-0.001624,0.008093,-0.019475,0.003578,0.009636,0.004641,-0.010691,0.001774,0.003645,-5e-04,-0.000749,0.000371,-0.019596,0.00735,0.004431
German:German66,0.137726,0.147252,0.048649,0.02616 3,0.025851,-0.003347,-0.00376,0.003923,0.012476,0.018041,0.003573,0.0046 46,-0.009514,0.003303,0.008415,-0.008884,-0.015907,0.004814,0.007919,-0.005127,0.003619,0.00643,0.002835,0.009158,-0.002155
German:German67,0.129758,0.133034,0.065996,0.05329 5,0.036007,0.013945,-0.007755,0.003231,0.003068,-0.01221,-0.002761,-0.007194,-0.005798,0.003853,0.00285,0.013789,0.005215,0.0064 61,0.002137,0.009129,0.00836,0.001607,-0.011216,0.011206,-0.004311
German:German68,0.127482,0.133034,0.062979,0.03359 2,0.040931,0.008925,-0.002585,-0.001846,0.00634,0.000547,-0.012504,0.016785,-0.015758,-0.010459,0.020629,-0.00411,-0.024382,0.008108,0.009679,-0.005503,0.005989,0.006306,-0.002342,0.008073,-0.005029
German:German69,0.121791,0.14319,0.058831,0.03553, 0.036622,0.008925,0.006815,0,-0.000818,-0.007289,-0.007957,-0.003447,-0.011596,0.005367,0.011265,-0.009812,0.005215,-0.012035,-0.002891,-0.001501,-0.007237,0.009645,0.00419,0.000241,-0.002155
German:German7,0.129758,0.14319,0.058454,0.013566, 0.042777,0.000558,0.004465,0.003692,0.013703,0.007 472,0.006658,3e-04,-0.010109,-0.006606,0.009229,0.00358,0.00678,0.003674,0.00226 3,-0.004127,-0.005241,0.005441,0.001849,0.010604,-0.012214
German:German70,0.12862,0.137096,0.057322,0.018411 ,0.038776,0.013387,0.013396,0.005538,-0.002045,0.001093,0.002273,0.000899,-0.013677,-0.012248,0.007872,-0.000133,0.001565,0.008108,0.004777,-0.003252,0.007612,0.001731,-0.003204,0.012652,-0.005149
German:German71,0.126344,0.137096,0.056945,0.03197 7,0.039084,0.011992,-0.001175,-0.006461,0,0.008018,-0.002598,-0.006294,0.011893,-0.012661,0.008007,0.018563,0.016037,0.001267,-0.009302,-0.00025,0.004118,-0.010016,0.002095,0.003494,0.006586
German:German72,0.134311,0.139128,0.049026,0.01550 4,0.039084,0.00251,-0.00047,0.008307,0.002659,0.004191,-0.009094,0.006594,-0.005946,0.000963,0.016015,-0.008751,-0.015907,0,0.000628,0.000875,0.008984,0.003339,-0.001232,0.000482,-0.000718
German:German73,0.136588,0.148267,0.070522,0.04199 ,0.049548,0.01506,-0.00094,-0.001615,0.009613,0.007654,-0.008119,0.001798,0.012339,0.006055,-0.002714,0.012198,0.013169,-0.009375,0.00088,0.001376,0.003369,0.004822,0.0070 25,0.014098,0.000239
German:German74,0.136588,0.140143,0.055437,0.03262 3,0.029852,0.016176,0.001645,0.002538,0.005318,0.0 05649,-0.010393,0.000899,-0.014866,0.000138,0.0076,-0.00358,-0.013951,-0.003547,0.010182,-0.005878,0.004991,-0.001607,-0.003697,0.004458,0.016885
German:German75,0.134311,0.139128,0.070522,0.05038 8,0.05201,0.023985,0.003525,0.016153,0.008181,-0.014579,0.002436,-0.009741,0.004608,0.008945,-0.011265,0.009016,0.005867,0.005194,0.004022,-0.001501,-0.002745,0.000618,-0.005546,-0.005181,-0.003832
German:German76,0.132035,0.137096,0.06675,0.054264 ,0.040623,0.020359,0.015276,0.008538,0.00225,-0.003827,-0.004872,0.000599,-0.005054,-0.000826,0.0095,0.007955,0.005346,-0.003801,-0.002011,0.004252,0.001373,-0.000989,0.000493,0.005181,-0.006586
German:German77,0.132035,0.132019,0.065619,0.04651 2,0.038469,0.022032,0.002585,0.008307,-0.001023,-0.002734,-0.008119,-0.002997,0.00446,0.004266,0.011808,0.012994,0.0009 13,0.002154,-0.005279,0.009004,-0.000125,0.005564,-0.000863,0.015424,-0.002634
German:German78,0.134311,0.139128,0.053551,0.03649 9,0.037853,0.016733,0.003525,0.000923,0.009613,-0.003098,-0.002598,0.005395,-0.010109,-0.000413,0.012215,-0.002519,-0.023078,0.008742,0.00088,0.005002,0.008235,0.0030 91,-0.001232,0.013978,-0.003353
German:German79,0.120652,0.14319,0.056568,0.031331 ,0.049548,0.009203,-0.00094,0.016845,-0.007567,0.010934,-0.008769,0.003897,-0.022002,-0.017203,0.006379,0.004243,0.008736,0.003801,-0.000754,0.010755,0.007986,0.00272,-0.00986,0.008796,0.003473
German:German8,0.134311,0.149283,0.055814,0.047158 ,0.040007,0.02761,0.012691,0.008307,0.012271,-0.007107,-0.002436,-0.006294,-0.003568,0.010184,0.00665,-0.006762,0.001956,0.001647,-0.010684,-0.000625,0.003993,-0.002349,-0.00456,-0.003494,-0.001796
German:German9,0.125205,0.147252,0.065619,0.044574 ,0.041854,0.006972,0.00752,0.012692,-0.001841,0.000182,-0.000812,0.003747,-0.007136,-0.007019,0.012079,0.018695,0.008996,0.003294,0.001 634,0.004252,0.000624,-0.005812,0.011955,0.01446,0.002155
German_East:German_East1,0.125205,0.136081,0.05732 2,0.042636,0.036007,0.024821,0.002115,0.00923,0.00 6136,0.000364,-0.005034,3e-04,0.004014,0.01445,0.007193,-0.003182,-0.015385,-0.001267,0.005154,0.001376,0.003494,0.001237,-0.000123,0.012532,0.000479
German_East:German_East2,0.134311,0.140143,0.06260 2,0.060078,0.037238,0.015339,0.00517,0.009,-0.003272,-0.011481,-0.00341,-0.003897,0.003122,0.009221,-0.001086,-0.004773,-0.004303,0.004307,0.007793,5e-04,0.000998,0.003215,0.00949,-0.000482,-0.011616
German_East:German_East3,0.134311,0.147252,0.06033 9,0.044897,0.042162,0.014781,0.001175,0.003461,0.0 06954,-0.00164,-0.008282,-0.003597,-0.002973,0.006193,0.00095,0.000398,-0.001956,0.007475,0.003645,0.006378,0.003244,-0.007048,0.000616,0.002048,0.000479
German_East:German_East4,0.12862,0.133034,0.049403 ,0.054264,0.030159,0.005578,0.006815,0.009692,-0.005931,-0.004556,-0.006171,-0.005845,0.003419,0.017478,0.0019,0.001193,0.00912 7,-0.000127,0.007039,0.004627,-0.004617,0.000371,0.006409,0.000482,-0.000359
German_East:German_East5,0.121791,0.135065,0.07052 2,0.061047,0.04647,0.026774,0.01081,0.004384,0.012 271,-0.01057,-0.008769,-0.004646,-0.002081,0.007432,-0.001764,-0.004773,-0.011213,0.00114,0.001885,-0.009129,0.010482,-0.001731,-0.010846,0.003976,0.011017
German_East:German_East6,0.135449,0.128972,0.05996 2,0.057171,0.03416,0.014781,0.00376,0.007384,-0.002045,-0.006196,-0.00747,0.004196,-0.001041,0.005918,0.004072,-0.002784,-0.009127,-0.002914,0.002388,-0.005503,-0.001747,-0.003091,0.001232,-0.003012,-0.002874
German_East:German_East7,0.130897,0.145221,0.06750 5,0.044574,0.044008,0.01255,0.012221,0.007384,0.00 1841,-0.002369,-0.001786,0.000749,-0.001189,0.002615,0.002172,-0.005967,-0.014081,-0.001267,0.00176,-0.005753,-0.006863,-0.007543,0.004314,-0.002289,-0.001197
German_East:German_East8,0.136588,0.142174,0.06109 4,0.035207,0.034776,0.014502,0.00846,0.005769,0.00 1636,-0.002916,-0.000812,-0.001499,-0.003568,0.002477,-0.002986,-0.005171,-0.016298,0.002154,0.012821,0.001501,0,0.005688,0.0 03081,-0.000361,0.001557
As I was saying, East Germans range from ~1/4 to ~3/4 Slavic (represented by Sorb):
Germans scoring between 80% and 25% Sorb in this model:
https://i.imgur.com/EsEfO1e.png
Germans scoring between 25% and 10% Sorb in this model:
German:German9
German:German10
German:German52
German:German3
German:German1
German:German19
German:German29
German:German34
German:German41
German:German45
German:German56
German:German28
German:German32
German:German27
German:German21
German:German37
Germans scoring between 10% and 1% Sorb in this model:
German:German46
German:German61
German:German12
German:German39
German:German74
German:German50
German:German35
German:German58
German:German33
German:German38
German:German54
German:German60
German:German44
German:German5
German:German7
German:German70
And here the Germans who scored 0% Sorb in this model:
German:German24
German:German43
German:German14
German:German15
German:German2
German:German22
German:German25
German:German26
German:German30
German:German31
German:German48
German:German49
German:German53
German:German55
German:German6
German:German65
German:German66
German:German68
German:German72
German:German78
German:German79
Peterski
11-14-2019, 07:33 PM
I estimated already long ago that East Germans are on average 1/2 Slavic with a range from ca. 25% to ca. 75%.
The Sorbian sample on Global25 is quite purely Slavic so can be used a proxy for Early Medieval Elbe-Oder Slavs.
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EDIT:
Breakdown of Slavic admixture, using only 3 Slavic neighbours in the model
(Slovaks are excluded because they are not direct neighbours of Germany):
Average results for 87 samples (of which some have no eastern admixture):
https://i.imgur.com/s3PWKgy.png
^^^
As expected, Poles (longest border) and Sorbs (absorbed to the largest degree) make the largest chunks of Slavic admixture:
https://i.imgur.com/KL6edpO.png
Model used for that:
SOURCE:
Western:Swiss_German,0.127624,0.1407779,0.0460088, 0.0227311,0.0406229,0.0073906,0.0027906,0.0051344, 0.0086409,0.0121641,-0.0015224,0.005264,-0.0149402,-0.008808,0.0083638,-0.0011269,-0.0025912,0.0012192,0.0053735,-0.0009222,0.0019341,0.0035086,-0.0025574,0.006974,-0.0025596
Western:Dutch,0.1267527,0.1313048,0.0610935,0.0461 486,0.040469,0.0166244,0.0065435,0.0080802,0.00357 6,0.0003275,-0.0064447,0.0045873,-0.0087082,-0.0088422,0.0174443,0.005345,-0.0082143,0.0012669,0.0042698,0.0028138,0.0046909, 0.0028672,0.0002678,0.0153541,-0.0004921
Western:French_Alsace,0.1273112,0.1403715,0.050317 2,0.0224324,0.0384224,0.0089105,0.0029199,0.004874 8,0.0068516,0.010679,-0.0031341,0.0045785,-0.0094438,-0.0041699,0.0085606,0.0030662,-0.0048927,0.0024387,0.003243,-0.000716,0.0027639,0.0011562,-0.0013219,0.0071364,-0.0003143
Western:French_Nord,0.1282752,0.1405432,0.0513571, 0.0256051,0.0382728,0.0088906,0.0010967,0.0044194, 0.008373,0.0120166,-0.003484,0.0040328,-0.0108613,-0.0081823,0.0111991,0.0025432,-0.0046069,0.0022266,0.0040947,0.0010308,0.0021327, 0.0015249,-0.0015724,0.0074707,1.45e-05
Western:Belgian,0.1271867,0.1378863,0.0508694,0.02 85197,0.038879,0.0112177,0.0042389,0.0034529,0.007 4159,0.0110489,-0.0050521,0.0047014,-0.0127298,-0.0096131,0.0131448,0.0035701,-0.004404,0.00221,0.0022114,-0.0012784,0.0035491,0.0017494,-0.0014059,0.0102914,0.0011088
Western:DEU_MA,0.1223596,0.1303939,0.061169,0.0487 73,0.039792,0.0199408,0.010975,0.0052151,0.0013295 ,-0.0024966,-0.003735,0.001109,-0.0091576,-0.0038398,0.0161643,-0.0008352,-0.0133511,0.0032684,0.0041354,0.0040271,0.0060019, 0.0037342,-0.0007273,0.011146,-0.0004429
Sorb_Niederlausitz,0.130897,0.137096,0.068636,0.05 6848,0.050779,0.021196,0.011281,0.011076,-0.003477,-0.017312,-0.002111,-0.006744,0.013082,0.017891,-0.008415,0.001061,0.008475,-0.006208,0.007039,-0.004127,-0.003369,-0.007543,0.008011,-0.004458,0.001197
Polish,0.1318405,0.1292694,0.0698685,0.0577382,0.0 406754,0.0217127,0.0086781,0.0108626,-0.0009329,-0.0185524,-0.0043488,-0.0064187,0.013093,0.0186295,-0.0070244,-0.0005595,0.0015455,-7.41e-05,0.0026948,0.0012872,-0.0031286,-0.0031185,0.0056063,-0.0033328,-8.76e-05
Czech,0.1311592,0.1318625,0.0604843,0.0472574,0.03 8658,0.0189217,0.0063451,0.0086623,0.0046724,-0.0088874,-0.0016862,-0.0038965,0.0060493,0.011772,0.0017435,0.0009995,-0.0006419,-0.0001462,0.0035679,0.0028956,-0.001267,-0.0001617,0.0065132,0.0039302,0.0015935
TARGET:
All German and German_East individuals.
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PS:
When using Early Czech instead of modern:
Western:Swiss_German,0.127624,0.1407779,0.0460088, 0.0227311,0.0406229,0.0073906,0.0027906,0.0051344, 0.0086409,0.0121641,-0.0015224,0.005264,-0.0149402,-0.008808,0.0083638,-0.0011269,-0.0025912,0.0012192,0.0053735,-0.0009222,0.0019341,0.0035086,-0.0025574,0.006974,-0.0025596
Western:Dutch,0.1267527,0.1313048,0.0610935,0.0461 486,0.040469,0.0166244,0.0065435,0.0080802,0.00357 6,0.0003275,-0.0064447,0.0045873,-0.0087082,-0.0088422,0.0174443,0.005345,-0.0082143,0.0012669,0.0042698,0.0028138,0.0046909, 0.0028672,0.0002678,0.0153541,-0.0004921
Western:French_Alsace,0.1273112,0.1403715,0.050317 2,0.0224324,0.0384224,0.0089105,0.0029199,0.004874 8,0.0068516,0.010679,-0.0031341,0.0045785,-0.0094438,-0.0041699,0.0085606,0.0030662,-0.0048927,0.0024387,0.003243,-0.000716,0.0027639,0.0011562,-0.0013219,0.0071364,-0.0003143
Western:French_Nord,0.1282752,0.1405432,0.0513571, 0.0256051,0.0382728,0.0088906,0.0010967,0.0044194, 0.008373,0.0120166,-0.003484,0.0040328,-0.0108613,-0.0081823,0.0111991,0.0025432,-0.0046069,0.0022266,0.0040947,0.0010308,0.0021327, 0.0015249,-0.0015724,0.0074707,1.45e-05
Western:Belgian,0.1271867,0.1378863,0.0508694,0.02 85197,0.038879,0.0112177,0.0042389,0.0034529,0.007 4159,0.0110489,-0.0050521,0.0047014,-0.0127298,-0.0096131,0.0131448,0.0035701,-0.004404,0.00221,0.0022114,-0.0012784,0.0035491,0.0017494,-0.0014059,0.0102914,0.0011088
Western:DEU_MA,0.1223596,0.1303939,0.061169,0.0487 73,0.039792,0.0199408,0.010975,0.0052151,0.0013295 ,-0.0024966,-0.003735,0.001109,-0.0091576,-0.0038398,0.0161643,-0.0008352,-0.0133511,0.0032684,0.0041354,0.0040271,0.0060019, 0.0037342,-0.0007273,0.011146,-0.0004429
Sorb_Niederlausitz,0.130897,0.137096,0.068636,0.05 6848,0.050779,0.021196,0.011281,0.011076,-0.003477,-0.017312,-0.002111,-0.006744,0.013082,0.017891,-0.008415,0.001061,0.008475,-0.006208,0.007039,-0.004127,-0.003369,-0.007543,0.008011,-0.004458,0.001197
Polish,0.1318405,0.1292694,0.0698685,0.0577382,0.0 406754,0.0217127,0.0086781,0.0108626,-0.0009329,-0.0185524,-0.0043488,-0.0064187,0.013093,0.0186295,-0.0070244,-0.0005595,0.0015455,-7.41e-05,0.0026948,0.0012872,-0.0031286,-0.0031185,0.0056063,-0.0033328,-8.76e-05
CZE_Early_Slav,0.12862,0.129988,0.068259,0.046835, 0.02739,0.013387,0.007285,0.014076,-0.001841,-0.018406,-0.000812,-0.004346,0.003717,0.007156,-0.010993,-0.003182,0.011604,-0.002027,-0.002388,-0.004752,0.005615,0.000618,0.001725,-0.000964,-0.006706
https://i.imgur.com/u6igIhB.png
=====
Based on those two models, it seems that the breakdown of Slavic admixture in Germans is as follows:
48-45% is Polish-like
31-32% is Sorb-like
21-23% is Czech-like
Question is, if Polabian Slavs such as Obodrites and Veleti, were more like Poles, Sorbs, or like Czechs.
How could they remain purely Slavic if they are about as Western as Bohemians? Do they cluster with us?
Crn Volk
11-14-2019, 07:44 PM
I estimated already long ago that East Germans are on average 1/2 Slavic with a range from ca. 25% to ca. 75%.
The Sorbian sample on Global25 is quite purely Slavic so can be used a proxy for Early Medieval Elbe-Oder Slavs.
Probably similar to Austrians
Peterski
11-14-2019, 07:52 PM
How could they remain purely Slavic if they are about as Western as Bohemians? Do they cluster with us?
You need to look at the datasheet with individuals if you want to check individuals rather than averages.
These are the 5 most Sorb-admixed samples it seems (obviously "German" includes East Germans too):
German75
German23
German17
German_East4
German13
G25 samples labelled explicitly as "German_East" are all from Leipzig in Saxony.
The ones labelled as "German" are from all over and include East Germans too:
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?18943-German-samples-on-Global25-some-of-them-are-East-Germans-too&p=620912&viewfull=1#post620912
IMO we can safely assume that all samples with >25% Slavic are East Germans. 10-25% can be Central.
Remember the Russian American woman who is 1/8 German from Poland? Her thread is in the Ancestry DNA section. Her German was barely detectable. Maybe the Germans in Poland (particularly her family) were seriously "mongrelized" to the point where they would have been barely half Germanic which would make the woman only ~1/16 "Dutch". Not a Cop is also 1/8 German and his German ancestor seems to have been more or less purely Germanic, yet NaC clusters comfortably with Slavic Russians.
Kamal900
11-14-2019, 07:59 PM
Nothing surprising really which would have given Hitler a heart attack, lol. Germans that are living in the eastern part of Germany also had Slavic and Baltic admixtures due to the migrations of Germans to the east and mixing and assimilating the locals to the German fold.
BlueMan
11-14-2019, 08:03 PM
Remember the Russian American woman who is 1/8 German from Poland? Her thread is in the Ancestry DNA section. Her German was barely detectable. Maybe the Germans in Poland (particularly her family) were seriously "mongrelized" to the point where they would have been barely half Germanic which would make the woman only ~1/16 "Dutch". Not a Cop is also 1/8 German and his German ancestor seems to have been more or less purely Germanic, yet NaC clusters comfortably with Slavic Russians.
I'm 1/4 German from Prussia (other 3/4 Southwestern European) and I'm modeled as 25% Slavic in calculators. In commercial test I'm 19% East European. I think it's very clear that most are Germanized Slavs.
The Russian American woman. No Germanic in the oracles
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 SOUTH_BALTIC 29.77
2 EAST_EURO 25.1
3 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 20.28
4 ATLANTIC 12.49
5 WEST_MED 5.81
6 EAST_MED 2.35
7 WEST_ASIAN 1.6
8 SIBERIAN 1.54
9 EAST_ASIAN 1.07
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Belorussian 4.07
2 Ukrainian-Russian 4.84
3 West_Russian 4.94
4 UA 5.53
5 PL 5.66
6 EE 5.87
7 Northwest_Russian 6.06
8 LIT 8.71
9 East_Russian 9.23
10 North_Russian 9.72
11 South_Finnish 9.96
12 East_Finnish 9.98
13 Erzya 12.15
14 HU 15.96
15 North_Swedish 16.3
16 AT 18.96
17 South_&_Central_Swedish 19.64
18 NO 20.88
19 Komi 20.89
20 Serbian 20.98
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 75.8% Belorussian + 24.2% East_Finnish @ 2.67
2 76.2% Belorussian + 23.8% South_Finnish @ 2.76
3 76.6% Belorussian + 23.4% East_Russian @ 3.08
4 57.5% Ukrainian-Russian + 42.5% EE @ 3.17
5 86.6% Belorussian + 13.4% North_Swedish @ 3.24
6 89.4% Belorussian + 10.6% Komi @ 3.26
7 67.9% UA + 32.1% East_Finnish @ 3.28
8 79.8% Belorussian + 20.2% North_Russian @ 3.35
9 76.1% Northwest_Russian + 23.9% North_Swedish @ 3.41
10 96.2% Belorussian + 3.8% KZ @ 3.43
11 97% Belorussian + 3% Selkup @ 3.43
12 90.7% Belorussian + 9.3% NO @ 3.48
13 97.8% Belorussian + 2.2% Chukchi @ 3.49
14 65.3% Northwest_Russian + 34.7% South_Finnish @ 3.5
15 90.9% Belorussian + 9.1% Udmurt @ 3.5
16 97.9% Belorussian + 2.1% Koryak @ 3.51
17 91.7% Belorussian + 8.3% DK @ 3.52
18 73.8% Ukrainian-Russian + 26.2% South_Finnish @ 3.53
19 90.5% Belorussian + 9.5% South_&_Central_Swedish @ 3.53
20 85.6% Belorussian + 14.4% Erzya @ 3.57
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% EE +50% Ukrainian-Russian @ 3.534842
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Belorussian +25% East_Finnish +25% UA @ 2.581218
I'm 1/4 German from Prussia (other 3/4 Southwestern European) and I'm modeled as 25% Slavic in calculators. In commercial test I'm 19% East European. I think it's very clear that most are Germanized Slavs.
And no Western Euro whatsoever?
Lousianaboy
11-14-2019, 08:09 PM
i am one
Peterski
11-14-2019, 08:09 PM
https://i.imgur.com/kN9eQ1y.png
These five are some of the most Slavic-admixed ones.
Luke35
11-14-2019, 08:10 PM
I was wondering if the German average from G25 contained some measurable Slavic and/or East German individuals too, I thought it might. Thanks for the presentation.
vbnetkhio
11-14-2019, 08:13 PM
How could they remain purely Slavic if they are about as Western as Bohemians? Do they cluster with us?
i didn't belive it at first, but yes, they retained a similrity to East Slavs, check the closest distances here
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?299849-Lower-Sorbian-Global25
Peterski
11-14-2019, 08:34 PM
I'm 1/4 German from Prussia
From where exactly?
(...)
And sample German75 is apparently almost purely Sorbian (genetically).
So there is some overlap between Germans and Sorbs contrary to what genetic studies claim (they did not sample enough Germans from eastern areas).
Many Sorbs have recent German admixture too (but not the one on G25).
SharpFork
11-14-2019, 09:06 PM
they did not sample enough Germans from eastern areas
Really? I mean if anything it seems there are way too many East Germans in the general German category.
Peterski
11-14-2019, 09:11 PM
How could they remain purely Slavic (...)
These are my results in this 7-way mixture model by the way:
(merged three raw data files + LD = LivingDNA; FT = FTDNA)
https://i.imgur.com/f6CULFH.png
I'm less Slavic than the Sorbian sample used for these models.
I'm also less Slavic than German75 who scored higher % Sorb.
Really? I mean if anything it seems there are way too many East Germans in the general German category.
I'm not talking about Global25, but about studies such as this: https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0135820
Quote: "(...) a clear genetic border exists nowadays between Sorbs and their German host population"
Indicating they likely did not sample Germans from areas neighbouring Sorbs, such as the ones which are on Global25.
For example German75 on Global25 is almost purely Sorbian, and has more Slavic results than me (see post above).
SharpFork
11-14-2019, 09:23 PM
Is the Lusatian Sorb sample itself pure Slavic? In Lukasz k36 nmonte site they end up 75% Ukranian or Lithuanian like, the rest being North Germanic or Dutch. Actually similar to German samples from Posen.
ph2ter
11-14-2019, 09:25 PM
Can my family pass as East German?
https://i.imgur.com/4lgg659.png
SharpFork
11-14-2019, 09:27 PM
Can my family pass as East German?
https://i.imgur.com/4lgg659.png
If you don't check for Balkan or other Southern European types of ancestry you can't really tell, you could try to model Africans using this lol.
Peterski
11-14-2019, 09:29 PM
The same model for German samples, but using Polish average instead of Sorb:
https://i.imgur.com/oV5XNeQ.png
SharpFork
11-14-2019, 09:32 PM
The same model for German samples, but using Polish average instead of Sorb:
Why not use Ukrainian?
Peterski
11-14-2019, 09:36 PM
Why not use Ukrainian?
With Ukrainian (maybe Belarusian should be used instead?):
https://i.imgur.com/PGwbaGx.png
SharpFork
11-14-2019, 09:38 PM
With Ukrainian (maybe Belarusian should be used instead?):
Use Lithuanian on top of it, to see Pruthenian/Baltic ancestry too? Belarussian alone might be too unecessarily far from original West Slavs.
Peterski
11-14-2019, 09:41 PM
Use Lithuanian on top of it, to see Pruthenian/Baltic ancestry too? Belarussian alone might be too unecessarily far from original West Slavs.
There is no Baltic ancestry in Germans outside of East Prussia.
And East Prussians were maybe ca. 1% of all Germans. Global25 has a total of 87 individual Germans.
I doubt there are any East Prussians among them, maybe a singleton, or some partially East Prussian.
Frequency of Baltic N1c Y haplogroup in Germany is very low.
If you don't check for Balkan or other Southern European types of ancestry you can't really tell, you could try to model Africans using this lol.
Not at distances he is getting. Since he clusters with Czechs I doubt he is far from East Germans.
SharpFork
11-14-2019, 09:45 PM
There is no Baltic ancestry in Germans outside of East Prussia.
And East Prussians were maybe ca. 1% of all Germans. Global25 has a total of 87 individual Germans.
I doubt there are any East Prussians among them, maybe a singleton, or some partially East Prussian.
Frequency of Baltic N1c Y haplogroup in Germany is very low.
Within the German empire the province of East Prussia had up 4% of the total population, declining towards the end. Plus I think N1c would have been relatively less common in Pruthenians anyway.
Lithuanians are split between N1c and R1a also.
R1a Z92 should be Baltic marker.
Peterski
11-14-2019, 09:49 PM
Within the German empire the province of East Prussia had up 4% of the total population, declining towards the end.
But that included ethnic Poles/Masurs (Slavs) and ethnic Lithuanians too. For example in early 1800s East Prussia was only 1/2 German:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Prussia#Historical_ethnic_and_religious_struc ture
"Historical ethnic and religious structure
In year 1824, shortly before its merger with West Prussia, the population of East Prussia was 1,080,000 people.[7] Of that number, according to Karl Andree, Germans were slightly more than half, while 280,000 (~26%) were ethnically Polish and 200,000 (~19%) were ethnically Lithuanian.[8] As of year 1819 there were also 20,000 strong ethnic Curonian and Latvian minorities as well as 2,400 Jews, according to Georg Hassel.[9] Similar numbers are given by August von Haxthausen in his 1839 book, with a breakdown by county.[10] However, the majority of East Prussian Polish and Lithuanian inhabitants were Lutherans, not Roman Catholics like their ethnic kinsmen across the border in the Russian Empire. Only in Southern Warmia (German: Ermland) Catholic Poles - so called Warmiaks (not to be confused with predominantly Protestant Masurians) - comprised the majority of population, numbering 26,067 people (~81%) in county Allenstein (Polish: Olsztyn) in 1837.[10] Another minority in 19th century East Prussia, were ethnically Russian Old Believers, also known as Philipponnen - their main town was Eckersdorf (Wojnowo).[11][12][13]
In year 1817, East Prussia had 796,204 Evangelical Christians, 120,123 Roman Catholics, 864 Mennonites and 2,389 Jews.[14]"
Check also:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?271066-Kingdom-of-Prussia-ethnic-and-religious-structure-in-the-1800s
Sure that many descendants of those Lithuanians and Poles/Masurs (Slavs) ended up in Germany after 1945, but they are not on G25.
BTW, here with Belarusians:
https://i.imgur.com/K1Eai1t.png
^^^
With Belarusians as a proxy for Proto-Slavs, my results are similar to my "North Slavic" score on DNA Land:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?229802-Post-your-DNA-LAND-results&p=3917844&viewfull=1#post3917844
https://i.imgur.com/6jT118t.png
No surprise, because DNA Land is using Belarusians - and few other populations - as "North Slavic" reference.
I didn't know you were only 64% 'Slavic'.
Peterski
11-14-2019, 10:06 PM
I didn't know you were only 64% 'Slavic'.
Obviously Belarusians must be more Slavic than Proto-Slavs themselves?
Or, perhaps, their Baltic admixture is making them more eastern-shifted.
Obviously Belarusians must be more Slavic than Proto-Slavs themselves?
Or, perhaps, their Baltic admixture is making them more eastern-shifted.
I'm kinda sick of hearing the word 'Baltic' in this context. Balto-Slavs are composed of the same fucking components!
How much would you be with the Ukrainian instead of the Belarusian?
Balkan reference is mixed. Includes Albanians and Greeks too. There is some Slavic in it obviously though.
Peterski
11-14-2019, 10:41 PM
SharpFork,
Check this model if you want (with WestSlavic and Baltic separately):
As Baltic I use Lithuanians from Samogitia (PZ, SZ) and Memel (VZ):
WestSlavic includes Sorb, Pole, Slovak, Slovene, Early Czech, Czech:
Western:Swiss_German,0.127624,0.1407779,0.0460088, 0.0227311,0.0406229,0.0073906,0.0027906,0.0051344, 0.0086409,0.0121641,-0.0015224,0.005264,-0.0149402,-0.008808,0.0083638,-0.0011269,-0.0025912,0.0012192,0.0053735,-0.0009222,0.0019341,0.0035086,-0.0025574,0.006974,-0.0025596
Western:Dutch,0.1267527,0.1313048,0.0610935,0.0461 486,0.040469,0.0166244,0.0065435,0.0080802,0.00357 6,0.0003275,-0.0064447,0.0045873,-0.0087082,-0.0088422,0.0174443,0.005345,-0.0082143,0.0012669,0.0042698,0.0028138,0.0046909, 0.0028672,0.0002678,0.0153541,-0.0004921
Western:French_Alsace,0.1273112,0.1403715,0.050317 2,0.0224324,0.0384224,0.0089105,0.0029199,0.004874 8,0.0068516,0.010679,-0.0031341,0.0045785,-0.0094438,-0.0041699,0.0085606,0.0030662,-0.0048927,0.0024387,0.003243,-0.000716,0.0027639,0.0011562,-0.0013219,0.0071364,-0.0003143
Western:French_Nord,0.1282752,0.1405432,0.0513571, 0.0256051,0.0382728,0.0088906,0.0010967,0.0044194, 0.008373,0.0120166,-0.003484,0.0040328,-0.0108613,-0.0081823,0.0111991,0.0025432,-0.0046069,0.0022266,0.0040947,0.0010308,0.0021327, 0.0015249,-0.0015724,0.0074707,1.45e-05
Western:Belgian,0.1271867,0.1378863,0.0508694,0.02 85197,0.038879,0.0112177,0.0042389,0.0034529,0.007 4159,0.0110489,-0.0050521,0.0047014,-0.0127298,-0.0096131,0.0131448,0.0035701,-0.004404,0.00221,0.0022114,-0.0012784,0.0035491,0.0017494,-0.0014059,0.0102914,0.0011088
Western:DEU_MA,0.1223596,0.1303939,0.061169,0.0487 73,0.039792,0.0199408,0.010975,0.0052151,0.0013295 ,-0.0024966,-0.003735,0.001109,-0.0091576,-0.0038398,0.0161643,-0.0008352,-0.0133511,0.0032684,0.0041354,0.0040271,0.0060019, 0.0037342,-0.0007273,0.011146,-0.0004429
WestSlavic:Sorb_Niederlausitz,0.130897,0.137096,0. 068636,0.056848,0.050779,0.021196,0.011281,0.01107 6,-0.003477,-0.017312,-0.002111,-0.006744,0.013082,0.017891,-0.008415,0.001061,0.008475,-0.006208,0.007039,-0.004127,-0.003369,-0.007543,0.008011,-0.004458,0.001197
WestSlavic:Polish,0.1318405,0.1292694,0.0698685,0. 0577382,0.0406754,0.0217127,0.0086781,0.0108626,-0.0009329,-0.0185524,-0.0043488,-0.0064187,0.013093,0.0186295,-0.0070244,-0.0005595,0.0015455,-7.41e-05,0.0026948,0.0012872,-0.0031286,-0.0031185,0.0056063,-0.0033328,-8.76e-05
WestSlavic:Slovakian,0.1304414,0.128769,0.0626776, 0.0514862,0.0412384,0.0200244,0.006768,0.0077998,-0.0018408,-0.0115538,-0.0019162,-0.0037466,0.009871,0.0104318,-0.0091476,0.0092814,0.012934,0.0002534,0.0054304,0 .0023512,-0.0037186,-0.0020774,0.0043382,0.001928,-0.0018922
WestSlavic:Slovenian,0.1288476,0.1352686,0.056191, 0.0338504,0.0349602,0.0126616,0.0065332,0.0069688, 0.0031086,-0.004483,-0.0031828,-0.0022482,0.0022298,0.0151936,-0.0086318,-0.002201,0.0002086,0.0013682,0.0078184,-0.0011508,-0.004018,-0.0027946,0.0014052,-0.001976,0.0021792
WestSlavic:Czech,0.1311592,0.1318625,0.0604843,0.0 472574,0.038658,0.0189217,0.0063451,0.0086623,0.00 46724,-0.0088874,-0.0016862,-0.0038965,0.0060493,0.011772,0.0017435,0.0009995,-0.0006419,-0.0001462,0.0035679,0.0028956,-0.001267,-0.0001617,0.0065132,0.0039302,0.0015935
WestSlavic:CZE_Early_Slav,0.12862,0.129988,0.06825 9,0.046835,0.02739,0.013387,0.007285,0.014076,-0.001841,-0.018406,-0.000812,-0.004346,0.003717,0.007156,-0.010993,-0.003182,0.011604,-0.002027,-0.002388,-0.004752,0.005615,0.000618,0.001725,-0.000964,-0.006706
Baltic:Lithuanian_PZ,0.1356773,0.1255195,0.0883971 ,0.0871131,0.044562,0.035447,0.0106459,0.0156685,-0.0030065,-0.0347524,-0.0067879,-0.0129784,0.0230573,0.0315155,-0.0071118,-0.0032219,-0.0034813,-0.0016344,0.000817,0.0034265,-0.0023459,-0.0059477,0.0084426,-0.0090132,0.0005148
Baltic:Lithuanian_SZ,0.1347664,0.1258242,0.0861344 ,0.0877268,0.0448392,0.0315424,0.0128081,0.0185529 ,-0.0019633,-0.0353537,-0.0039137,-0.0127386,0.0235031,0.0296026,-0.0123914,0.0018563,0.005111,-0.0012796,0.0020866,0.0021511,-0.0029574,-0.0067636,0.0070251,-0.0104229,0.0029337
Baltic:Lithuanian_VZ,0.1372991,0.1261795,0.0850879 ,0.082365,0.0444314,0.0326652,0.0104872,0.0176242,-0.0036048,-0.0315269,-0.0036131,-0.0097039,0.0199762,0.0301394,-0.0104505,-0.0045578,-0.0006029,0.0012828,0.0032525,0.0013445,-0.0043829,-0.0056728,0.00835,-0.005874,-0.001317
^^^
Here is what I and Germans score (Czechs are included in WestSlavic):
1. Samples with >25% WestSlavic percentage:
(my combined Slavic-Baltic vs. Western here is similar to my 23andMe breakdown)
https://i.imgur.com/7UzU3C8.png
2. Samples with >10% Baltic (including me):
https://i.imgur.com/demMPhr.png
^^^
Do so many of them really have Baltic admixture (including me)?!
Or is it just because Balto-Slavs are similar and have common roots?
I doubt so many of these Germans are East Prussians, which is the only group which can realistically have Baltic DNA.
SharpFork
11-14-2019, 10:54 PM
SharpFork,
Check this model if you want (with WestSlavic and Baltic separately):
As Baltic I use Lithuanians from Samogitia (PZ, SZ) and Memel (VZ):
Western:Swiss_German,0.127624,0.1407779,0.0460088, 0.0227311,0.0406229,0.0073906,0.0027906,0.0051344, 0.0086409,0.0121641,-0.0015224,0.005264,-0.0149402,-0.008808,0.0083638,-0.0011269,-0.0025912,0.0012192,0.0053735,-0.0009222,0.0019341,0.0035086,-0.0025574,0.006974,-0.0025596
Western:Dutch,0.1267527,0.1313048,0.0610935,0.0461 486,0.040469,0.0166244,0.0065435,0.0080802,0.00357 6,0.0003275,-0.0064447,0.0045873,-0.0087082,-0.0088422,0.0174443,0.005345,-0.0082143,0.0012669,0.0042698,0.0028138,0.0046909, 0.0028672,0.0002678,0.0153541,-0.0004921
Western:French_Alsace,0.1273112,0.1403715,0.050317 2,0.0224324,0.0384224,0.0089105,0.0029199,0.004874 8,0.0068516,0.010679,-0.0031341,0.0045785,-0.0094438,-0.0041699,0.0085606,0.0030662,-0.0048927,0.0024387,0.003243,-0.000716,0.0027639,0.0011562,-0.0013219,0.0071364,-0.0003143
Western:French_Nord,0.1282752,0.1405432,0.0513571, 0.0256051,0.0382728,0.0088906,0.0010967,0.0044194, 0.008373,0.0120166,-0.003484,0.0040328,-0.0108613,-0.0081823,0.0111991,0.0025432,-0.0046069,0.0022266,0.0040947,0.0010308,0.0021327, 0.0015249,-0.0015724,0.0074707,1.45e-05
Western:Belgian,0.1271867,0.1378863,0.0508694,0.02 85197,0.038879,0.0112177,0.0042389,0.0034529,0.007 4159,0.0110489,-0.0050521,0.0047014,-0.0127298,-0.0096131,0.0131448,0.0035701,-0.004404,0.00221,0.0022114,-0.0012784,0.0035491,0.0017494,-0.0014059,0.0102914,0.0011088
Western:DEU_MA,0.1223596,0.1303939,0.061169,0.0487 73,0.039792,0.0199408,0.010975,0.0052151,0.0013295 ,-0.0024966,-0.003735,0.001109,-0.0091576,-0.0038398,0.0161643,-0.0008352,-0.0133511,0.0032684,0.0041354,0.0040271,0.0060019, 0.0037342,-0.0007273,0.011146,-0.0004429
WestSlavic:Sorb_Niederlausitz,0.130897,0.137096,0. 068636,0.056848,0.050779,0.021196,0.011281,0.01107 6,-0.003477,-0.017312,-0.002111,-0.006744,0.013082,0.017891,-0.008415,0.001061,0.008475,-0.006208,0.007039,-0.004127,-0.003369,-0.007543,0.008011,-0.004458,0.001197
WestSlavic:Polish,0.1318405,0.1292694,0.0698685,0. 0577382,0.0406754,0.0217127,0.0086781,0.0108626,-0.0009329,-0.0185524,-0.0043488,-0.0064187,0.013093,0.0186295,-0.0070244,-0.0005595,0.0015455,-7.41e-05,0.0026948,0.0012872,-0.0031286,-0.0031185,0.0056063,-0.0033328,-8.76e-05
WestSlavic:Slovakian,0.1304414,0.128769,0.0626776, 0.0514862,0.0412384,0.0200244,0.006768,0.0077998,-0.0018408,-0.0115538,-0.0019162,-0.0037466,0.009871,0.0104318,-0.0091476,0.0092814,0.012934,0.0002534,0.0054304,0 .0023512,-0.0037186,-0.0020774,0.0043382,0.001928,-0.0018922
WestSlavic:Slovenian,0.1288476,0.1352686,0.056191, 0.0338504,0.0349602,0.0126616,0.0065332,0.0069688, 0.0031086,-0.004483,-0.0031828,-0.0022482,0.0022298,0.0151936,-0.0086318,-0.002201,0.0002086,0.0013682,0.0078184,-0.0011508,-0.004018,-0.0027946,0.0014052,-0.001976,0.0021792
WestSlavic:Czech,0.1311592,0.1318625,0.0604843,0.0 472574,0.038658,0.0189217,0.0063451,0.0086623,0.00 46724,-0.0088874,-0.0016862,-0.0038965,0.0060493,0.011772,0.0017435,0.0009995,-0.0006419,-0.0001462,0.0035679,0.0028956,-0.001267,-0.0001617,0.0065132,0.0039302,0.0015935
WestSlavic:CZE_Early_Slav,0.12862,0.129988,0.06825 9,0.046835,0.02739,0.013387,0.007285,0.014076,-0.001841,-0.018406,-0.000812,-0.004346,0.003717,0.007156,-0.010993,-0.003182,0.011604,-0.002027,-0.002388,-0.004752,0.005615,0.000618,0.001725,-0.000964,-0.006706
Baltic:Lithuanian_PZ,0.1356773,0.1255195,0.0883971 ,0.0871131,0.044562,0.035447,0.0106459,0.0156685,-0.0030065,-0.0347524,-0.0067879,-0.0129784,0.0230573,0.0315155,-0.0071118,-0.0032219,-0.0034813,-0.0016344,0.000817,0.0034265,-0.0023459,-0.0059477,0.0084426,-0.0090132,0.0005148
Baltic:Lithuanian_SZ,0.1347664,0.1258242,0.0861344 ,0.0877268,0.0448392,0.0315424,0.0128081,0.0185529 ,-0.0019633,-0.0353537,-0.0039137,-0.0127386,0.0235031,0.0296026,-0.0123914,0.0018563,0.005111,-0.0012796,0.0020866,0.0021511,-0.0029574,-0.0067636,0.0070251,-0.0104229,0.0029337
Baltic:Lithuanian_VZ,0.1372991,0.1261795,0.0850879 ,0.082365,0.0444314,0.0326652,0.0104872,0.0176242,-0.0036048,-0.0315269,-0.0036131,-0.0097039,0.0199762,0.0301394,-0.0104505,-0.0045578,-0.0006029,0.0012828,0.0032525,0.0013445,-0.0043829,-0.0056728,0.00835,-0.005874,-0.001317
^^^
Here is what I and Germans score (Czechs are included in WestSlavic):
With Living DNA I'm WestSlavic, with the other two I score high Baltic:
1. Samples with >25% WestSlavic:
2. Samples with >10% Baltic:
(including me with FTDNA raw data and with merged three raw datas)
You can't use Czechs or Poles, because virtually all of you reference populations outside Lithuanians or Sorbs would have (a lot of for Czech) Western admixture when modeled with Ukranians or even Sorbs, it would be akin to modeling Western Slavs and using Eastern Germans as a reference population for Western admixture.
Peterski
11-14-2019, 10:58 PM
You can't use Czechs or Poles
Why not? I'm pretty sure that Czechs and Poles did not change much genetically during the last 500 years.
Czechs were already very Celto-Germanic in year 1000 AD, due to assimilation of Restgermanen in Bohemia.
Any subsequent assimilation of Czechs by Germans (e.g. in Sudetenland) involved Germanic-shifted Czechs.
it would be akin to modeling Western Slavs and using Eastern Germans as a reference population for Western admixture.
And that would be correct, many Germans who moved to Poland were already Slavic-admixed (Sorbian DNA).
For example Walddeutsche came to South Poland from Lusatia and Lower Silesia, likely they had Slavic DNA.
SharpFork
11-14-2019, 11:02 PM
Why not? I'm pretty sure that Czechs and Poles did not change much genetically during the last 500 years.
Czechs were already very Celto-Germanic in year 1000 AD, due to assimilation of Restgermanen in Bohemia.
Any subsequent assimilation of Czechs by Germans (e.g. in Sudetenland) involved Germanic-shifted Czechs.
And that would be correct, many Germans who moved to Poland were already Slavic-admixed (Sorbian DNA).
For example Walddeutsche came to South Poland from Lusatia and Lower Silesia, likely they had Slavic DNA.
Ah, I misunderstood your objective with those references.
Are you drunk of something? Slovenes are southern and not western Slavs.
SharpFork
11-14-2019, 11:08 PM
Are you drunk of something? Slovenes are southern and not western Slavs.
Are Slovenes closer to all other South Slavs or can they be closer to some Western Slavic group?
Are you drunk of something? Slovenes are southern and not western Slavs.
Autosomally and culturally more West than South.
Autosomally and culturally more West than South.
Not at all. It's a pure bullshit. They are closest to Croats (north), only Slavic neighbours they have.
https://i.imgur.com/eu8dpCK.png
Not at all. It's a pure bullshit. They are closest to Croats (north), only Slavic neighbours they have.
Lol. Haven't you fiercely denied that Serbs are the same as you? Lol. You have always potrayed them as wogs and Croats as Central European and light. And now you're saying Slovenes are closer to Bulgarians than to Slovaks? Haha.
Feiichy loves Serbs that score low Baltic and high East Med xD
Lol. Haven't you fiercely denied that Serbs are the same as you? Lol. You have always potrayed them as wogs and Croats as Central European and light. And now you say Slovenes are closer to Bulgarians than to Slovaks? Haha.
Absolutely not. It is complete bullshit. Slovenians are not western Slavs but southern Slavs.
Southern Slavs have bigger diversity than western and northern. Deal with it.
FST distances speak for themself.
Feiichy loves Serbs that score low Baltic and high East Med xD
Serbs are our Southern Slavic cousins, as are Slovenes or Bulgarians.
Alright, I'm waiting for Peterski's rebuttal :p
Peterski
11-14-2019, 11:23 PM
Are you drunk of something? Slovenes are southern and not western Slavs.
Poll: are Slovenes more South Slavic or more West Slavic?:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?204322-Are-Slovenes-more-South-Slavic-or-more-West-Slavic
Results:
More South Slavic - 6 votes / 33.33%
More West Slavic - 6 votes / 33.33% (I excluded my vote to be fair)
Intermediate 50/50 - 6 votes / 33.33%
It seems opinions are exactly 50/50 split on the matter!
vbnetkhio
11-14-2019, 11:23 PM
Autosomally and culturally more West than South.
Are Slovenes closer to all other South Slavs or can they be closer to some Western Slavic group?
they are right in between. just like Hungarians and northern Croats.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?301242-Balkans-Central-Europe-Ukraine-academic-samples-on-gedmatch&p=6246726&viewfull=1#post6246726
purple are Austrians and Hungarians, pale red are Czechs, Slovaks and Ukrainians, and light green are Croats, Serbs, Bosniaks and Montenegrins
Poll: are Slovenes more South Slavic or more West Slavic?:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?204322-Are-Slovenes-more-South-Slavic-or-more-West-Slavic
Results:
More South Slavic - 6 votes / 33.33%
More West Slavic - 6 votes / 33.33% (I excluded my vote to be fair)
Intermediate 50/50 - 6 votes / 33.33%
It seems opinions are exactly 50/50 split on the matter!
It doesn't matter, they are not western Slavic.
Lot of nonsense circulating about Slovenia on the net. I guess because it's quite rich and light pigmented, so people try to connect them to western Slavs who are not their neighbours neither their closest genetic populations.
Southern Slavs are those separated from the northern cousins by Germans, Hungarians and Romanians. Nothing more.
Anyway, for genetics:
Most South Slavs are separated from the rest of the Balto-Slavic populations and form a sparse group of populations with internal differentiation into western (Slovenians, Croatians and Bosnians) and eastern (Macedonians and Bulgarians) regions of the Balkan Peninsula with Serbians placed in-between. The mean population pairwise genetic distances for South Slavs are comparable or higher to the ones for East Slavs despite the smaller region within the Balkan Peninsula that they occupy. Furthermore, Slovenians lie close to the non-Slavic-speaking Hungarians, whereas eastern South Slavs group is located together with non-Slavic-speaking but geographically neighboring Romanians and, to some extent, with Greeks.
SW Slavs are closer to ''Central Europe'', while SE Slavs are closer to ''Mediterranean''. Serbs are intermediate S.Slavic group.
SharpFork
11-14-2019, 11:29 PM
Not at all. It's a pure bullshit. They are closest to Croats (north), only Slavic neighbours they have.
https://i.imgur.com/eu8dpCK.png
If I'm reading this correctly doesn't this say Slovenians are closer to Czechs and Slovaks more than they are to all Southern Slavs but Croats? Heck it says they are even closer to Ukranian.
In FST sharing Slovenians are closest to Croats, equally close to Bosnians and Slovaks, and closer to Ukrainians than to Czechs.
Croats are closer to Czechs than Slovenes are, and not by a small margin.
If I'm reading this correctly doesn't this say Slovenians are closer to Czechs and Slovaks more than they are to all Southern Slavs but Croats? Heck it says they are even closer to Ukranian.
They are closer to Bosnian muslims than to Czechs. Equally close to Bosnians and Slovaks.
But it is interesting how close they are to Ukrainians.
As I said, southern Slavs are most genetically heterogenous Slavic branch despite small territory they occupy.
Slavic Italian
11-14-2019, 11:37 PM
Nothing surprising really which would have given Hitler a heart attack, lol. Germans that are living in the eastern part of Germany also had Slavic and Baltic admixtures due to the migrations of Germans to the east and mixing and assimilating the locals to the German fold.
Many of his Brandenburger commandos were Slavs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nachtigall_Battalion
Peterski
11-15-2019, 12:26 AM
Breakdown of Slavic admixture, using only 3 Slavic neighbours in the model
(Slovaks are excluded because they are not direct neighbours of Germany):
Average results for 87 samples (of which some have no eastern admixture):
https://i.imgur.com/s3PWKgy.png
^^^
As expected, Poles (longest border) and Sorbs (absorbed to the largest degree) make the largest chunks of Slavic admixture:
https://i.imgur.com/KL6edpO.png
Model used for that:
SOURCE:
Western:Swiss_German,0.127624,0.1407779,0.0460088, 0.0227311,0.0406229,0.0073906,0.0027906,0.0051344, 0.0086409,0.0121641,-0.0015224,0.005264,-0.0149402,-0.008808,0.0083638,-0.0011269,-0.0025912,0.0012192,0.0053735,-0.0009222,0.0019341,0.0035086,-0.0025574,0.006974,-0.0025596
Western:Dutch,0.1267527,0.1313048,0.0610935,0.0461 486,0.040469,0.0166244,0.0065435,0.0080802,0.00357 6,0.0003275,-0.0064447,0.0045873,-0.0087082,-0.0088422,0.0174443,0.005345,-0.0082143,0.0012669,0.0042698,0.0028138,0.0046909, 0.0028672,0.0002678,0.0153541,-0.0004921
Western:French_Alsace,0.1273112,0.1403715,0.050317 2,0.0224324,0.0384224,0.0089105,0.0029199,0.004874 8,0.0068516,0.010679,-0.0031341,0.0045785,-0.0094438,-0.0041699,0.0085606,0.0030662,-0.0048927,0.0024387,0.003243,-0.000716,0.0027639,0.0011562,-0.0013219,0.0071364,-0.0003143
Western:French_Nord,0.1282752,0.1405432,0.0513571, 0.0256051,0.0382728,0.0088906,0.0010967,0.0044194, 0.008373,0.0120166,-0.003484,0.0040328,-0.0108613,-0.0081823,0.0111991,0.0025432,-0.0046069,0.0022266,0.0040947,0.0010308,0.0021327, 0.0015249,-0.0015724,0.0074707,1.45e-05
Western:Belgian,0.1271867,0.1378863,0.0508694,0.02 85197,0.038879,0.0112177,0.0042389,0.0034529,0.007 4159,0.0110489,-0.0050521,0.0047014,-0.0127298,-0.0096131,0.0131448,0.0035701,-0.004404,0.00221,0.0022114,-0.0012784,0.0035491,0.0017494,-0.0014059,0.0102914,0.0011088
Western:DEU_MA,0.1223596,0.1303939,0.061169,0.0487 73,0.039792,0.0199408,0.010975,0.0052151,0.0013295 ,-0.0024966,-0.003735,0.001109,-0.0091576,-0.0038398,0.0161643,-0.0008352,-0.0133511,0.0032684,0.0041354,0.0040271,0.0060019, 0.0037342,-0.0007273,0.011146,-0.0004429
Sorb_Niederlausitz,0.130897,0.137096,0.068636,0.05 6848,0.050779,0.021196,0.011281,0.011076,-0.003477,-0.017312,-0.002111,-0.006744,0.013082,0.017891,-0.008415,0.001061,0.008475,-0.006208,0.007039,-0.004127,-0.003369,-0.007543,0.008011,-0.004458,0.001197
Polish,0.1318405,0.1292694,0.0698685,0.0577382,0.0 406754,0.0217127,0.0086781,0.0108626,-0.0009329,-0.0185524,-0.0043488,-0.0064187,0.013093,0.0186295,-0.0070244,-0.0005595,0.0015455,-7.41e-05,0.0026948,0.0012872,-0.0031286,-0.0031185,0.0056063,-0.0033328,-8.76e-05
Czech,0.1311592,0.1318625,0.0604843,0.0472574,0.03 8658,0.0189217,0.0063451,0.0086623,0.0046724,-0.0088874,-0.0016862,-0.0038965,0.0060493,0.011772,0.0017435,0.0009995,-0.0006419,-0.0001462,0.0035679,0.0028956,-0.001267,-0.0001617,0.0065132,0.0039302,0.0015935
TARGET:
All German and German_East individuals.
=====
PS:
When using Early Czech instead of modern:
Western:Swiss_German,0.127624,0.1407779,0.0460088, 0.0227311,0.0406229,0.0073906,0.0027906,0.0051344, 0.0086409,0.0121641,-0.0015224,0.005264,-0.0149402,-0.008808,0.0083638,-0.0011269,-0.0025912,0.0012192,0.0053735,-0.0009222,0.0019341,0.0035086,-0.0025574,0.006974,-0.0025596
Western:Dutch,0.1267527,0.1313048,0.0610935,0.0461 486,0.040469,0.0166244,0.0065435,0.0080802,0.00357 6,0.0003275,-0.0064447,0.0045873,-0.0087082,-0.0088422,0.0174443,0.005345,-0.0082143,0.0012669,0.0042698,0.0028138,0.0046909, 0.0028672,0.0002678,0.0153541,-0.0004921
Western:French_Alsace,0.1273112,0.1403715,0.050317 2,0.0224324,0.0384224,0.0089105,0.0029199,0.004874 8,0.0068516,0.010679,-0.0031341,0.0045785,-0.0094438,-0.0041699,0.0085606,0.0030662,-0.0048927,0.0024387,0.003243,-0.000716,0.0027639,0.0011562,-0.0013219,0.0071364,-0.0003143
Western:French_Nord,0.1282752,0.1405432,0.0513571, 0.0256051,0.0382728,0.0088906,0.0010967,0.0044194, 0.008373,0.0120166,-0.003484,0.0040328,-0.0108613,-0.0081823,0.0111991,0.0025432,-0.0046069,0.0022266,0.0040947,0.0010308,0.0021327, 0.0015249,-0.0015724,0.0074707,1.45e-05
Western:Belgian,0.1271867,0.1378863,0.0508694,0.02 85197,0.038879,0.0112177,0.0042389,0.0034529,0.007 4159,0.0110489,-0.0050521,0.0047014,-0.0127298,-0.0096131,0.0131448,0.0035701,-0.004404,0.00221,0.0022114,-0.0012784,0.0035491,0.0017494,-0.0014059,0.0102914,0.0011088
Western:DEU_MA,0.1223596,0.1303939,0.061169,0.0487 73,0.039792,0.0199408,0.010975,0.0052151,0.0013295 ,-0.0024966,-0.003735,0.001109,-0.0091576,-0.0038398,0.0161643,-0.0008352,-0.0133511,0.0032684,0.0041354,0.0040271,0.0060019, 0.0037342,-0.0007273,0.011146,-0.0004429
Sorb_Niederlausitz,0.130897,0.137096,0.068636,0.05 6848,0.050779,0.021196,0.011281,0.011076,-0.003477,-0.017312,-0.002111,-0.006744,0.013082,0.017891,-0.008415,0.001061,0.008475,-0.006208,0.007039,-0.004127,-0.003369,-0.007543,0.008011,-0.004458,0.001197
Polish,0.1318405,0.1292694,0.0698685,0.0577382,0.0 406754,0.0217127,0.0086781,0.0108626,-0.0009329,-0.0185524,-0.0043488,-0.0064187,0.013093,0.0186295,-0.0070244,-0.0005595,0.0015455,-7.41e-05,0.0026948,0.0012872,-0.0031286,-0.0031185,0.0056063,-0.0033328,-8.76e-05
CZE_Early_Slav,0.12862,0.129988,0.068259,0.046835, 0.02739,0.013387,0.007285,0.014076,-0.001841,-0.018406,-0.000812,-0.004346,0.003717,0.007156,-0.010993,-0.003182,0.011604,-0.002027,-0.002388,-0.004752,0.005615,0.000618,0.001725,-0.000964,-0.006706
https://i.imgur.com/u6igIhB.png
=====
Based on those two models, it seems that the breakdown of Slavic admixture in Germans is as follows:
48-45% is Polish-like
31-32% is Sorb-like
21-23% is Czech-like
Question is, if Polabian Slavs such as Obodrites and Veleti, were more like Poles, Sorbs, or like Czechs.
Peterski
11-15-2019, 01:16 AM
Plus I think N1c would have been relatively less common in Pruthenians anyway.
If N1c was not common among Prussians then how can we be sure that they were autosomally closer to Lithuanians than Poles?
Some linguists even say that West Balts are not more closely related to East Balts than they are to Slavs.
They say that West Balts formed a 3rd independent branch of Balto-Slavic, equally closely related to both Slavic and East Baltic.
Coastal Elite
11-15-2019, 01:20 AM
Cool. You've outdone yourself again. I'll share more thoughts after my beer.
https://i.imgur.com/RQgpRvO.jpg
SharpFork
11-15-2019, 01:44 AM
If N1c was not common among Prussians then how can we be sure that they were autosomally closer to Lithuanians than Poles?
Some linguists even say that West Balts are not more closely related to East Balts than they are to Slavs.
They say that West Balts formed a 3rd independent branch of Balto-Slavic, equally closely related to both Slavic and East Baltic.
Didn't Balts get N1C through bottlenecking? It's not like they are 40% Uralic, they don't have enough East Eurasian admixture for that AFAIK.
Peterski
11-15-2019, 02:39 AM
Didn't Balts get N1C through bottlenecking? It's not like they are 40% Uralic, they don't have enough East Eurasian admixture for that AFAIK.
If bottlenecking (and associated with it genetic drift) affected East Balts but not West Balts, it could make them also different autosomally as well.
Can my family pass as East German?
https://i.imgur.com/4lgg659.png
That model won't work for Croats. You need to add southern populations to your model. Maybe Bronze Age & Iron Age Croatia and Bulgaria.
French Alsace and Swiss German are absorbing your Med DNA in this model, because they have a good chunk of it (in addition to NW Euro).
Coastal Elite
11-15-2019, 03:35 AM
Using the code in the original post, I got a pretty good fit.
https://i.imgur.com/ckOFGxa.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/5juy1fB.gif
Matty74
11-15-2019, 06:09 AM
A good friend of mine had a father from Konigsberg in Prussia and a mother from just north of Oslo.
Per ancestry.com she was:
45% Norway
15% Baltic
18% Germanic Europe
22% Sweden
vbnetkhio
11-15-2019, 06:52 AM
Croats are closer to Czechs than Slovenes are, and not by a small margin.
some of the Croats probably have recent Czech ancestry. the Croatian academic sample is from Zagreb. look at their top matches on gedmatch, they are from all over Austro-hungary, also some Bosniaks and Serbs. they included that 100% Albanian person too. i didn't check the Slovenians yet, i wouldn't be surprised if they included some Bosniak and Serb admixed Slovenians.
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0105090#pone-0105090-g001
vbnetkhio
11-15-2019, 07:16 AM
Didn't Balts get N1C through bottlenecking? It's not like they are 40% Uralic, they don't have enough East Eurasian admixture for that AFAIK.
If bottlenecking (and associated with it genetic drift) affected East Balts but not West Balts, it could make them also different autosomally as well.
the arrival of N1c people didn't autosomally affect Latvians and Lithuanians at all.
http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2019/05/uralic-specific-genome-wide-ancestry.html
that doesn't tell as about the autosomal of Prussians, but if they were different it wasn't because of their lack of N1c.
vbnetkhio
11-15-2019, 07:45 AM
That model won't work for Croats. You need to add southern populations to your model. Maybe Bronze Age & Iron Age Croatia and Bulgaria.
French Alsace and Swiss German are absorbing your Med DNA in this model, because they have a good chunk of it (in addition to NW Euro).
If you don't check for Balkan or other Southern European types of ancestry you can't really tell, you could try to model Africans using this lol.
Africans would get a 99 distance, his are as good as German.
the French perfectly covers his pre-Slavic (Illyrian, Celtic, Roman) influences. i doubt he has any Iron Age Bulgaria-like influence, he is not a typical Croat, he plots even more north than most Slovenians.
Peterski
11-15-2019, 09:36 AM
the French perfectly covers his pre-Slavic (Illyrian, Celtic, Roman) influences. i doubt he has any Iron Age Bulgaria-like influence, he is not a typical Croat, he plots even more north than most Slovenians.
This model for Croats preferred Iron Age Croatia over Bulgaria:
(I included both but the algorithm chose mainly Paleo-Croatia)
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?301008-Sorbian-challenge-on-Global25&p=6238084&viewfull=1#post6238084
https://i.imgur.com/E9DXlHS.png
^^^
Pre-Slavic Croatia had some NW Euro (like Swiss Germans):
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?301008-Sorbian-challenge-on-Global25&p=6238084&viewfull=1#post6238084
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?279860-Bronze-Age-Balkan-DNA-Land-Ancestry-Report
https://i.imgur.com/P40rUSY.png
Pre-Slavic Croatia was between modern Bergamo and Republican Romans (descended from Latins plus Etruscans).
This is Republican Roman similarity map for example (sample R435), he was quite similar to modern Swiss people:
https://i.imgur.com/X1bVnrA.png
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Pre-Slavic Bulgaria did not have NW, it was fully South Euro:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?279927-Iron-Age-Balkan-DNA-Land-Ancestry-Report
https://i.imgur.com/T88jeSI.png
some of the Croats probably have recent Czech ancestry. the Croatian academic sample is from Zagreb. look at their top matches on gedmatch, they are from all over Austro-hungary, also some Bosniaks and Serbs. they included that 100% Albanian person too. i didn't check the Slovenians yet, i wouldn't be surprised if they included some Bosniak and Serb admixed Slovenians.
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0105090#pone-0105090-g001
Zagreb is genetically representative of Croatian average. 1/4 of population lives there, and from all regions.
I am shocked to see when some academic sample uses Croats from Split, for example.
Anyway, Czech ancestry is widespread among Croats and practically non-existant among Slovenians. Croatia received lot of Czech immigrants, unlike Vojvodina for example, which received Slovaks.
User Hrvoje who is mix of Slovenian and Croat is also part Czech, and that is from his Croatian side.
Also, Bosniak and Serb mix is widespread among Slovenians and will only become more common. Slovenia is in the future shifting south.
They already have around 20% of non-Slovenians, mostly Bosniaks and Serbs and they are mixing with them. Half of their football and basketball team consists of such mixed Slovenians.
vbnetkhio
11-15-2019, 09:54 AM
qoute
these were the pre-Slavic people of ph2ter's region:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pannonia#Prior_to_Roman_conquest
so first the Illyrians, then the Celts, then Romans.
the Dalmatian Bronze/Iron age samples are pre-Celtic and pre-Roman.
Celts and early Romans were pretty similar to the Illyrians. They were all in that North Italian-French-Iberian zone. But late Romans might have brought some more East Med and West Asian.
he should try modelling himself with only Szolad samples. they include native Pannonians, all kinds of Romans, Longobards for the Germanic input, and the "Avars".
but as this model he posted shows, all his pre-Slavic and pre-Germanic combined is something similar to Alsace French. but now that i think about it, Alsace French surely includes some Germanic admixture, so perhaps his pre-Slavo-Germanic is more like South French, and he's even more Germanic than that model shows.
ph2ter
11-15-2019, 10:01 AM
If bottlenecking (and associated with it genetic drift) affected East Balts but not West Balts, it could make them also different autosomally as well.
That model won't work for Croats. You need to add southern populations to your model. Maybe Bronze Age & Iron Age Croatia and Bulgaria.
French Alsace and Swiss German are absorbing your Med DNA in this model, because they have a good chunk of it (in addition to NW Euro).
But my distance is the same as for Germans. Isn't it?
If I add Croatian and Bulgarian Bronze and Iron Age this is the result (I am on the edge, it's true, but with such models I could pass as East German again):
https://i.imgur.com/tjJbswH.png
Peterski
11-15-2019, 10:01 AM
Using this model (RMPR116 is part of Celtic because that sample looks like Gaulish immigrant in Rome; perhaps I should use more of Imperial Rome):
Swiss_German,0.127624,0.1407779,0.0460088,0.022731 1,0.0406229,0.0073906,0.0027906,0.0051344,0.008640 9,0.0121641,-0.0015224,0.005264,-0.0149402,-0.008808,0.0083638,-0.0011269,-0.0025912,0.0012192,0.0053735,-0.0009222,0.0019341,0.0035086,-0.0025574,0.006974,-0.0025596
Dutch,0.1267527,0.1313048,0.0610935,0.0461486,0.04 0469,0.0166244,0.0065435,0.0080802,0.003576,0.0003 275,-0.0064447,0.0045873,-0.0087082,-0.0088422,0.0174443,0.005345,-0.0082143,0.0012669,0.0042698,0.0028138,0.0046909, 0.0028672,0.0002678,0.0153541,-0.0004921
French_Alsace,0.1273112,0.1403715,0.0503172,0.0224 324,0.0384224,0.0089105,0.0029199,0.0048748,0.0068 516,0.010679,-0.0031341,0.0045785,-0.0094438,-0.0041699,0.0085606,0.0030662,-0.0048927,0.0024387,0.003243,-0.000716,0.0027639,0.0011562,-0.0013219,0.0071364,-0.0003143
French_Nord,0.1282752,0.1405432,0.0513571,0.025605 1,0.0382728,0.0088906,0.0010967,0.0044194,0.008373 ,0.0120166,-0.003484,0.0040328,-0.0108613,-0.0081823,0.0111991,0.0025432,-0.0046069,0.0022266,0.0040947,0.0010308,0.0021327, 0.0015249,-0.0015724,0.0074707,1.45e-05
Belgian,0.1271867,0.1378863,0.0508694,0.0285197,0. 038879,0.0112177,0.0042389,0.0034529,0.0074159,0.0 110489,-0.0050521,0.0047014,-0.0127298,-0.0096131,0.0131448,0.0035701,-0.004404,0.00221,0.0022114,-0.0012784,0.0035491,0.0017494,-0.0014059,0.0102914,0.0011088
Sorb,0.130897,0.137096,0.068636,0.056848,0.050779, 0.021196,0.011281,0.011076,-0.003477,-0.017312,-0.002111,-0.006744,0.013082,0.017891,-0.008415,0.001061,0.008475,-0.006208,0.007039,-0.004127,-0.003369,-0.007543,0.008011,-0.004458,0.001197
Paleo-Balkan:HRV_IA,0.132035,0.151314,0.033941,-0.01615,0.024928,-0.005857,-0.006345,0.007154,0.003681,0.028976,0.001786,0.011 69,-0.02111,-0.001376,-0.005972,-0.008486,-0.006519,0.004941,0.005531,-0.014257,-0.001872,0.00507,0.001479,0.00253,0.003353
Paleo-Balkan:BGR_IA,0.126344,0.157407,0.007165,-0.051034,0.029852,-0.02259,0.00423,-0.001385,0.007772,0.032074,-0.001461,0.005695,-0.013974,-0.003028,-0.015065,-0.001458,0.01369,0.006968,0.006285,-0.014757,-0.006239,0.004699,-0.007888,0.003494,-0.008861
Paleo-Balkan:HRV_MBA,0.124636,0.149283,0.031301,-0.0098515,0.0386225,-0.0023705,-0.00564,-0.002423,0.006647,0.030069,8.15e-05,0.0106405,-0.0150145,-0.009152,-0.006786,0.0086185,0.014277,-0.0020905,0.0034565,-0.011318,-0.0035565,0.0037715,-0.00228,0.002952,-0.001796
Roman:DEU_Roman,0.117238,0.151314,0.045254,0.00032 3,0.052317,0.001952,0.0047,-0.006,0.01943,0.028064,-0.002436,0.004946,-0.017393,-0.013212,-0.004614,0.00411,0.009388,0.006334,-0.000377,5e-04,0.000624,0.001484,-0.000616,-0.00735,-0.001796
Roman:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA:RMPR435b,0.125205,0. 147252,0.045254,0.005814,0.044931,0.005578,-0.00094,0.003461,0.023725,0.039363,-0.004547,0.008992,-0.021407,-0.014726,0.012893,-0.001989,-0.001043,0.006208,0.003017,-0.003252,0.004742,0.002844,-0.006286,-0.000241,-0.002036
Roman:ITA_Boville_Ernica_IA:RMPR1021,0.126344,0.15 3345,0.035072,-0.014858,0.052317,-0.013387,-0.00094,0.003461,0.020452,0.04155,0.004222,0.01004 1,-0.013528,-0.008808,0.007465,-0.015646,-0.011995,-0.003041,0.004902,-0.012631,0.007861,0.006306,-0.007641,-0.001325,0.008023
Celtic:CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany,0.12862,0.1376045,0.07 05215,0.034238,0.0481625,0.004044,0.0019975,0.0013 85,0.018509,0.019955,-0.012017,-0.0052455,-0.00944,0.0006195,0.0095685,-0.0013255,-0.005998,0.001774,0.0048395,0.0080665,0.001061,0.0 019785,-0.0006165,-0.005422,-0.0034725
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_78,0.132035,0.135065,0.04 6386,0.034238,0.036314,0.003626,0.002585,0.005769, 0.005318,0.010023,0.001299,0.011839,-0.016947,-0.015001,0.017236,0.015115,0.021513,0.005828,0.003 268,0.003252,0.006239,-0.002102,0.001109,-0.002651,-0.001676
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_119,0.121791,0.140143,0.0 5242,0.026486,0.040623,0.003068,0.001175,0.001154, 0.003477,0.017859,-0.001299,0.01124,-0.020961,-0.019818,0.01045,0.02201,0.01708,-0.0019,0.009679,0.002376,0.007986,0.003957,-0.005053,0.000964,0.008382
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_2,0.124067,0.140143,0.056 191,0.041021,0.042162,0.016455,-0.003055,0.002077,0.014112,0.018406,0.002273,0.006 744,-0.020218,-0.000413,0.011672,0.001591,-0.008996,-0.006334,0.013073,0.012631,0.006988,0.00371,0.0014 79,-0.005422,-0.00467
Celtic:ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR116,0.126344,0.140143 ,0.052797,0.019703,0.044624,0.001673,0.00282,0.008 307,0.018816,0.019681,-0.000487,0.005845,-0.013528,-0.010459,0.009365,0.003447,-0.000391,0,0.000628,-0.004752,0.002246,0.002597,-0.006286,-0.000964,0.00455
^^^ As you can see Swiss German and French Alsace are now completely rejected with more Southern European populations added to choose from:
https://i.imgur.com/JhNpM5j.png
AITI_78, AITI_119 and AITI_2 are the only samples out of these that are on G25 (I'll ask David why he didn't add the rest, maybe too low coverage?):
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/39362-Lech-Valley-Bronze-Age-samples-on-GEDmatch
Edit:
Adding Rome Imperial just takes away percentages from Paleo-Balkan.
ph2ter
11-15-2019, 10:08 AM
Using this model (RMPR116 is part of Celtic because that sample looks like Gaulish immigrant in Rome; perhaps I should use more of Imperial Rome):
Swiss_German,0.127624,0.1407779,0.0460088,0.022731 1,0.0406229,0.0073906,0.0027906,0.0051344,0.008640 9,0.0121641,-0.0015224,0.005264,-0.0149402,-0.008808,0.0083638,-0.0011269,-0.0025912,0.0012192,0.0053735,-0.0009222,0.0019341,0.0035086,-0.0025574,0.006974,-0.0025596
Dutch,0.1267527,0.1313048,0.0610935,0.0461486,0.04 0469,0.0166244,0.0065435,0.0080802,0.003576,0.0003 275,-0.0064447,0.0045873,-0.0087082,-0.0088422,0.0174443,0.005345,-0.0082143,0.0012669,0.0042698,0.0028138,0.0046909, 0.0028672,0.0002678,0.0153541,-0.0004921
French_Alsace,0.1273112,0.1403715,0.0503172,0.0224 324,0.0384224,0.0089105,0.0029199,0.0048748,0.0068 516,0.010679,-0.0031341,0.0045785,-0.0094438,-0.0041699,0.0085606,0.0030662,-0.0048927,0.0024387,0.003243,-0.000716,0.0027639,0.0011562,-0.0013219,0.0071364,-0.0003143
French_Nord,0.1282752,0.1405432,0.0513571,0.025605 1,0.0382728,0.0088906,0.0010967,0.0044194,0.008373 ,0.0120166,-0.003484,0.0040328,-0.0108613,-0.0081823,0.0111991,0.0025432,-0.0046069,0.0022266,0.0040947,0.0010308,0.0021327, 0.0015249,-0.0015724,0.0074707,1.45e-05
Belgian,0.1271867,0.1378863,0.0508694,0.0285197,0. 038879,0.0112177,0.0042389,0.0034529,0.0074159,0.0 110489,-0.0050521,0.0047014,-0.0127298,-0.0096131,0.0131448,0.0035701,-0.004404,0.00221,0.0022114,-0.0012784,0.0035491,0.0017494,-0.0014059,0.0102914,0.0011088
Sorb,0.130897,0.137096,0.068636,0.056848,0.050779, 0.021196,0.011281,0.011076,-0.003477,-0.017312,-0.002111,-0.006744,0.013082,0.017891,-0.008415,0.001061,0.008475,-0.006208,0.007039,-0.004127,-0.003369,-0.007543,0.008011,-0.004458,0.001197
Paleo-Balkan:HRV_IA,0.132035,0.151314,0.033941,-0.01615,0.024928,-0.005857,-0.006345,0.007154,0.003681,0.028976,0.001786,0.011 69,-0.02111,-0.001376,-0.005972,-0.008486,-0.006519,0.004941,0.005531,-0.014257,-0.001872,0.00507,0.001479,0.00253,0.003353
Paleo-Balkan:BGR_IA,0.126344,0.157407,0.007165,-0.051034,0.029852,-0.02259,0.00423,-0.001385,0.007772,0.032074,-0.001461,0.005695,-0.013974,-0.003028,-0.015065,-0.001458,0.01369,0.006968,0.006285,-0.014757,-0.006239,0.004699,-0.007888,0.003494,-0.008861
Paleo-Balkan:HRV_MBA,0.124636,0.149283,0.031301,-0.0098515,0.0386225,-0.0023705,-0.00564,-0.002423,0.006647,0.030069,8.15e-05,0.0106405,-0.0150145,-0.009152,-0.006786,0.0086185,0.014277,-0.0020905,0.0034565,-0.011318,-0.0035565,0.0037715,-0.00228,0.002952,-0.001796
Roman:DEU_Roman,0.117238,0.151314,0.045254,0.00032 3,0.052317,0.001952,0.0047,-0.006,0.01943,0.028064,-0.002436,0.004946,-0.017393,-0.013212,-0.004614,0.00411,0.009388,0.006334,-0.000377,5e-04,0.000624,0.001484,-0.000616,-0.00735,-0.001796
Roman:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA:RMPR435b,0.125205,0. 147252,0.045254,0.005814,0.044931,0.005578,-0.00094,0.003461,0.023725,0.039363,-0.004547,0.008992,-0.021407,-0.014726,0.012893,-0.001989,-0.001043,0.006208,0.003017,-0.003252,0.004742,0.002844,-0.006286,-0.000241,-0.002036
Roman:ITA_Boville_Ernica_IA:RMPR1021,0.126344,0.15 3345,0.035072,-0.014858,0.052317,-0.013387,-0.00094,0.003461,0.020452,0.04155,0.004222,0.01004 1,-0.013528,-0.008808,0.007465,-0.015646,-0.011995,-0.003041,0.004902,-0.012631,0.007861,0.006306,-0.007641,-0.001325,0.008023
Celtic:CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany,0.12862,0.1376045,0.07 05215,0.034238,0.0481625,0.004044,0.0019975,0.0013 85,0.018509,0.019955,-0.012017,-0.0052455,-0.00944,0.0006195,0.0095685,-0.0013255,-0.005998,0.001774,0.0048395,0.0080665,0.001061,0.0 019785,-0.0006165,-0.005422,-0.0034725
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_78,0.132035,0.135065,0.04 6386,0.034238,0.036314,0.003626,0.002585,0.005769, 0.005318,0.010023,0.001299,0.011839,-0.016947,-0.015001,0.017236,0.015115,0.021513,0.005828,0.003 268,0.003252,0.006239,-0.002102,0.001109,-0.002651,-0.001676
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_119,0.121791,0.140143,0.0 5242,0.026486,0.040623,0.003068,0.001175,0.001154, 0.003477,0.017859,-0.001299,0.01124,-0.020961,-0.019818,0.01045,0.02201,0.01708,-0.0019,0.009679,0.002376,0.007986,0.003957,-0.005053,0.000964,0.008382
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_2,0.124067,0.140143,0.056 191,0.041021,0.042162,0.016455,-0.003055,0.002077,0.014112,0.018406,0.002273,0.006 744,-0.020218,-0.000413,0.011672,0.001591,-0.008996,-0.006334,0.013073,0.012631,0.006988,0.00371,0.0014 79,-0.005422,-0.00467
Celtic:ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR116,0.126344,0.140143 ,0.052797,0.019703,0.044624,0.001673,0.00282,0.008 307,0.018816,0.019681,-0.000487,0.005845,-0.013528,-0.010459,0.009365,0.003447,-0.000391,0,0.000628,-0.004752,0.002246,0.002597,-0.006286,-0.000964,0.00455
^^^ As you can see Swiss German and French Alsace are now completely rejected with more Southern European populations added to choose from:
https://i.imgur.com/JhNpM5j.png
AITI_78, AITI_119 and AITI_2 are the only samples out of these that are on G25 (I'll ask David why he didn't add the rest, maybe too low coverage?):
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/39362-Lech-Valley-Bronze-Age-samples-on-GEDmatch
And now, do the same with Germans.
vbnetkhio
11-15-2019, 10:13 AM
Zagreb is genetically representative of Croatian average. 1/4 of population lives there, and from all regions.
I am shocked to see when some academic sample uses Croats from Split, for example.
Anyway, Czech ancestry is widespread among Croats and practically non-existant among Slovenians. Croatia received lot of Czech immigrants, unlike Vojvodina for example, which received Slovaks.
User Hrvoje who is mix of Slovenian and Croat is also part Czech, and that is from his Croatian side.
Also, Bosniak and Serb mix is widespread among Slovenians and will only become more common. Slovenia is in the future shifting south.
They already have around 20% of non-Slovenians, mostly Bosniaks and Serbs and they are mixing with them. Half of their football and basketball team consists of such mixed Slovenians.
yeah, i forgot that study was about the actual modern population of the Balkans.
it would be more interesting to see fst distances of the most unmixed European rural populations they could find.
Most studies just sample the largest cities. only those Romanian samples are from isolated mountain villages.
J. Ketch
11-15-2019, 10:21 AM
Are you going to tell Davidski to put them under East German? That way the remaining Germans could be renamed West German.
Peterski
11-15-2019, 10:22 AM
And now, do the same with Germans.
Average results for 87 Germans:
(I will add Imperial Romans too)
https://i.imgur.com/VLlwYl5.png
Germans sorted by % of Dutch:
https://i.imgur.com/aF2Y60r.png
yeah, i forgot that study was about the actual modern population of the Balkans.
it would be more interesting to see fst distances of the most unmixed European rural populations they could find.
Most studies just sample the largest cities. only those Romanian samples are from isolated mountain villages.
Yes, I agree.
PS does anyone have idea why I always have worst fit on Global 25 our of all east euro users? Ph2ter noticed that too.
I was playing with all kinds of models (using even 6-10 difference ancient populations), and never could lower the fit to very good distance.
Starting to think I have some genetic drift because of being 50% Islander.
ph2ter
11-15-2019, 10:47 AM
Average results for 87 Germans:
(I will add Imperial Romans too)
https://i.imgur.com/VLlwYl5.png
Germans sorted by % of Dutch:
https://i.imgur.com/aF2Y60r.png
Now, add some African. :coffee:
Peterski
11-15-2019, 10:48 AM
After adding Imperial Rome & Latini averages new results:
43% Dutch
3% Belgian
1% Swiss
1% French
======
23% Sorb
18% Celtic
6% Roman
5% Balkan*
*This can represent Rhaetians and similar populations.
(because this Balkan includes ancient Croatia/Dalmatia)
https://i.imgur.com/wQpdE84.png
vbnetkhio
11-15-2019, 10:48 AM
Yes, I agree.
PS does anyone have idea why I always have worst fit on Global 25 our of all east euro users? Ph2ter noticed that too.
I was playing with all kinds of models (using even 6-10 difference ancient populations), and never could lower the fit to very good distance.
Starting to think I have some genetic drift because of being 50% Islander.
maybe something is missing from all those models. you got that Dagestani admixture in your living dna results.
vbnetkhio
11-15-2019, 10:52 AM
After adding Imperial Rome, average for 87 Germans:
41% Dutch
3% Belgian
1% Swiss
1% Alsace
======
25% Sorb
18% Celtic
6% Roman
5% Balkan*
*This can represent Rhaetians and similar populations.
(because this Balkan includes ancient Croatia/Dalmatia)
https://i.imgur.com/ms9HZ7Y.png
could you put just the Iron age Dalmatian instead of Balkan?
Peterski
11-15-2019, 10:55 AM
could you put just the Iron age Dalmatian instead of Balkan?
I can but I will add Etruscans instead (they were closely related to Rhaetians in South Germany):
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/70/Tyrsenian_languages.svg/640px-Tyrsenian_languages.svg.png
Luke35
11-15-2019, 10:59 AM
Yes, I agree.
PS does anyone have idea why I always have worst fit on Global 25 our of all east euro users? Ph2ter noticed that too.
I was playing with all kinds of models (using even 6-10 difference ancient populations), and never could lower the fit to very good distance.
Starting to think I have some genetic drift because of being 50% Islander.
And I can get freakishly close fits, Idk why. I think you may be onto something with the genetic drift idea.
Peterski
11-15-2019, 11:02 AM
Removing Bulgaria and Bronze Age Croatia, using just Iron Age Dalmatia, did not change much.
Balkan just dropped from 5% to 4.5%. Etruscan is not preferred instead of Iron Age Dalmatian.
nittionia
11-15-2019, 11:28 AM
Breakdown of Slavic admixture, using only 3 Slavic neighbours in the model
I tried my dad's coordinates with that code, he usually plots in east Germany:
https://i.imgur.com/ZL4USx1.png
Peterski
11-15-2019, 11:31 AM
he usually plots in east Germany
But he isn't really German IIRC? Just a combination of his ethnicities gives similar results?
nittionia
11-15-2019, 11:38 AM
But he isn't really German IIRC? Just a combination of his ethnicities gives similar results?
We have quite a bit of German ancestry, not fully of course. Lukasz said on his chromosomal report that he's mainly east German on average but can't tell if it's a combination of west German and Polish/Czech (for example), or actually east German. I'm guessing it's a bit of both but I would have to research our family more.
Peterski
11-15-2019, 12:27 PM
How about this model, Germany_Medieval used instead of Dutch. Sorb and Early Czech Slav used as Slavic:
Germanic:DEU_MA,0.1223596,0.1303939,0.061169,0.048 773,0.039792,0.0199408,0.010975,0.0052151,0.001329 5,-0.0024966,-0.003735,0.001109,-0.0091576,-0.0038398,0.0161643,-0.0008352,-0.0133511,0.0032684,0.0041354,0.0040271,0.0060019, 0.0037342,-0.0007273,0.011146,-0.0004429
Slavic:Sorb,0.130897,0.137096,0.068636,0.056848,0. 050779,0.021196,0.011281,0.011076,-0.003477,-0.017312,-0.002111,-0.006744,0.013082,0.017891,-0.008415,0.001061,0.008475,-0.006208,0.007039,-0.004127,-0.003369,-0.007543,0.008011,-0.004458,0.001197
Slavic:CZE_Early_Slav,0.12862,0.129988,0.068259,0. 046835,0.02739,0.013387,0.007285,0.014076,-0.001841,-0.018406,-0.000812,-0.004346,0.003717,0.007156,-0.010993,-0.003182,0.011604,-0.002027,-0.002388,-0.004752,0.005615,0.000618,0.001725,-0.000964,-0.006706
Paleo-Balkan:HRV_IA,0.132035,0.151314,0.033941,-0.01615,0.024928,-0.005857,-0.006345,0.007154,0.003681,0.028976,0.001786,0.011 69,-0.02111,-0.001376,-0.005972,-0.008486,-0.006519,0.004941,0.005531,-0.014257,-0.001872,0.00507,0.001479,0.00253,0.003353
Paleo-Balkan:BGR_IA,0.126344,0.157407,0.007165,-0.051034,0.029852,-0.02259,0.00423,-0.001385,0.007772,0.032074,-0.001461,0.005695,-0.013974,-0.003028,-0.015065,-0.001458,0.01369,0.006968,0.006285,-0.014757,-0.006239,0.004699,-0.007888,0.003494,-0.008861
Roman:DEU_Roman,0.117238,0.151314,0.045254,0.00032 3,0.052317,0.001952,0.0047,-0.006,0.01943,0.028064,-0.002436,0.004946,-0.017393,-0.013212,-0.004614,0.00411,0.009388,0.006334,-0.000377,5e-04,0.000624,0.001484,-0.000616,-0.00735,-0.001796
Roman:ITA_Rome_Imperial,0.1027016,0.1489866,-0.0237507,-0.0575546,0.0043725,-0.0203241,-0.0013366,-0.0049469,0.0004219,0.019336,0.0032343,0.0023073,-0.0039209,-0.0015167,-0.008033,-0.0017982,0.003773,0.0005358,0.0013329,-0.0030926,-0.0024437,0.0018729,-0.0008961,-0.0004869,0.0005663
Roman:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA,0.125205,0.147252,0. 045254,0.005814,0.044931,0.005578,-0.00094,0.003461,0.023725,0.039363,-0.004547,0.008992,-0.021407,-0.014726,0.012893,-0.001989,-0.001043,0.006208,0.003017,-0.003252,0.004742,0.002844,-0.006286,-0.000241,-0.002036
Roman:ITA_Boville_Ernica_Latini_IA,0.126344,0.1533 45,0.035072,-0.014858,0.052317,-0.013387,-0.00094,0.003461,0.020452,0.04155,0.004222,0.01004 1,-0.013528,-0.008808,0.007465,-0.015646,-0.011995,-0.003041,0.004902,-0.012631,0.007861,0.006306,-0.007641,-0.001325,0.008023
Roman:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA,0.127482,0.148267,0.03469 5,-0.017442,0.043085,-0.005578,-0.002115,-0.003231,0.024952,0.051391,-0.001461,0.013488,-0.034043,-0.010184,-0.008415,0.011535,0.018515,-0.003674,0.005405,0.004377,0.003244,-0.001731,0.002588,-0.006266,-0.007544
Roman:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA,0.133173,0.156392,0.0441 23,-0.010336,0.046778,-0.004741,0.008225,0.004154,0.023725,0.044283,-0.004222,0.01109,-0.02215,-0.011147,-0.006243,-0.006099,0.002738,-0.000127,0.004902,-0.004252,-0.009109,0.004328,-0.003081,-0.009519,-0.002874
Celtic:CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany,0.12862,0.1376045,0.07 05215,0.034238,0.0481625,0.004044,0.0019975,0.0013 85,0.018509,0.019955,-0.012017,-0.0052455,-0.00944,0.0006195,0.0095685,-0.0013255,-0.005998,0.001774,0.0048395,0.0080665,0.001061,0.0 019785,-0.0006165,-0.005422,-0.0034725
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_78,0.132035,0.135065,0.04 6386,0.034238,0.036314,0.003626,0.002585,0.005769, 0.005318,0.010023,0.001299,0.011839,-0.016947,-0.015001,0.017236,0.015115,0.021513,0.005828,0.003 268,0.003252,0.006239,-0.002102,0.001109,-0.002651,-0.001676
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_119,0.121791,0.140143,0.0 5242,0.026486,0.040623,0.003068,0.001175,0.001154, 0.003477,0.017859,-0.001299,0.01124,-0.020961,-0.019818,0.01045,0.02201,0.01708,-0.0019,0.009679,0.002376,0.007986,0.003957,-0.005053,0.000964,0.008382
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_2,0.124067,0.140143,0.056 191,0.041021,0.042162,0.016455,-0.003055,0.002077,0.014112,0.018406,0.002273,0.006 744,-0.020218,-0.000413,0.011672,0.001591,-0.008996,-0.006334,0.013073,0.012631,0.006988,0.00371,0.0014 79,-0.005422,-0.00467
^^^ Results (average for 87 German and German_East samples):
Germanic - 41.1%
Slavic - 24.7%
Celtic - 21.0%
Roman - 7.7%
Paleo-Balkan - 5.5%
And if I remove Early Czech Slav and use just Sorb alone as Slavic:
Germanic - 43.1%
Slavic - 21.9%
Celtic - 21.7%
Roman - 7.1%
Paleo-Balkan - 6.2%
vbnetkhio
11-15-2019, 01:12 PM
^^^ Results (average for 87 German and German_East samples):
Germanic - 41.1%
Slavic - 24.7%
Celtic - 21.0%
Roman - 7.7%
Paleo-Balkan - 5.5%
And if I remove Early Czech Slav and use just Sorb alone as Slavic:
Germanic - 43.1%
Slavic - 21.9%
Celtic - 21.7%
Roman - 7.1%
Paleo-Balkan - 6.2%
the second model is better, early Czech Slav was already more mixed than the Sorb.
is the Sorb an acedemic sample? do you have his k15 and k36 results?
Grace O'Malley
11-15-2019, 01:17 PM
How about this model, Germany_Medieval used instead of Dutch. Sorb and Early Czech Slav used as Slavic:
Germanic:DEU_MA,0.1223596,0.1303939,0.061169,0.048 773,0.039792,0.0199408,0.010975,0.0052151,0.001329 5,-0.0024966,-0.003735,0.001109,-0.0091576,-0.0038398,0.0161643,-0.0008352,-0.0133511,0.0032684,0.0041354,0.0040271,0.0060019, 0.0037342,-0.0007273,0.011146,-0.0004429
Slavic:Sorb,0.130897,0.137096,0.068636,0.056848,0. 050779,0.021196,0.011281,0.011076,-0.003477,-0.017312,-0.002111,-0.006744,0.013082,0.017891,-0.008415,0.001061,0.008475,-0.006208,0.007039,-0.004127,-0.003369,-0.007543,0.008011,-0.004458,0.001197
Slavic:CZE_Early_Slav,0.12862,0.129988,0.068259,0. 046835,0.02739,0.013387,0.007285,0.014076,-0.001841,-0.018406,-0.000812,-0.004346,0.003717,0.007156,-0.010993,-0.003182,0.011604,-0.002027,-0.002388,-0.004752,0.005615,0.000618,0.001725,-0.000964,-0.006706
Paleo-Balkan:HRV_IA,0.132035,0.151314,0.033941,-0.01615,0.024928,-0.005857,-0.006345,0.007154,0.003681,0.028976,0.001786,0.011 69,-0.02111,-0.001376,-0.005972,-0.008486,-0.006519,0.004941,0.005531,-0.014257,-0.001872,0.00507,0.001479,0.00253,0.003353
Paleo-Balkan:BGR_IA,0.126344,0.157407,0.007165,-0.051034,0.029852,-0.02259,0.00423,-0.001385,0.007772,0.032074,-0.001461,0.005695,-0.013974,-0.003028,-0.015065,-0.001458,0.01369,0.006968,0.006285,-0.014757,-0.006239,0.004699,-0.007888,0.003494,-0.008861
Roman:DEU_Roman,0.117238,0.151314,0.045254,0.00032 3,0.052317,0.001952,0.0047,-0.006,0.01943,0.028064,-0.002436,0.004946,-0.017393,-0.013212,-0.004614,0.00411,0.009388,0.006334,-0.000377,5e-04,0.000624,0.001484,-0.000616,-0.00735,-0.001796
Roman:ITA_Rome_Imperial,0.1027016,0.1489866,-0.0237507,-0.0575546,0.0043725,-0.0203241,-0.0013366,-0.0049469,0.0004219,0.019336,0.0032343,0.0023073,-0.0039209,-0.0015167,-0.008033,-0.0017982,0.003773,0.0005358,0.0013329,-0.0030926,-0.0024437,0.0018729,-0.0008961,-0.0004869,0.0005663
Roman:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA,0.125205,0.147252,0. 045254,0.005814,0.044931,0.005578,-0.00094,0.003461,0.023725,0.039363,-0.004547,0.008992,-0.021407,-0.014726,0.012893,-0.001989,-0.001043,0.006208,0.003017,-0.003252,0.004742,0.002844,-0.006286,-0.000241,-0.002036
Roman:ITA_Boville_Ernica_Latini_IA,0.126344,0.1533 45,0.035072,-0.014858,0.052317,-0.013387,-0.00094,0.003461,0.020452,0.04155,0.004222,0.01004 1,-0.013528,-0.008808,0.007465,-0.015646,-0.011995,-0.003041,0.004902,-0.012631,0.007861,0.006306,-0.007641,-0.001325,0.008023
Roman:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA,0.127482,0.148267,0.03469 5,-0.017442,0.043085,-0.005578,-0.002115,-0.003231,0.024952,0.051391,-0.001461,0.013488,-0.034043,-0.010184,-0.008415,0.011535,0.018515,-0.003674,0.005405,0.004377,0.003244,-0.001731,0.002588,-0.006266,-0.007544
Roman:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA,0.133173,0.156392,0.0441 23,-0.010336,0.046778,-0.004741,0.008225,0.004154,0.023725,0.044283,-0.004222,0.01109,-0.02215,-0.011147,-0.006243,-0.006099,0.002738,-0.000127,0.004902,-0.004252,-0.009109,0.004328,-0.003081,-0.009519,-0.002874
Celtic:CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany,0.12862,0.1376045,0.07 05215,0.034238,0.0481625,0.004044,0.0019975,0.0013 85,0.018509,0.019955,-0.012017,-0.0052455,-0.00944,0.0006195,0.0095685,-0.0013255,-0.005998,0.001774,0.0048395,0.0080665,0.001061,0.0 019785,-0.0006165,-0.005422,-0.0034725
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_78,0.132035,0.135065,0.04 6386,0.034238,0.036314,0.003626,0.002585,0.005769, 0.005318,0.010023,0.001299,0.011839,-0.016947,-0.015001,0.017236,0.015115,0.021513,0.005828,0.003 268,0.003252,0.006239,-0.002102,0.001109,-0.002651,-0.001676
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_119,0.121791,0.140143,0.0 5242,0.026486,0.040623,0.003068,0.001175,0.001154, 0.003477,0.017859,-0.001299,0.01124,-0.020961,-0.019818,0.01045,0.02201,0.01708,-0.0019,0.009679,0.002376,0.007986,0.003957,-0.005053,0.000964,0.008382
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_2,0.124067,0.140143,0.056 191,0.041021,0.042162,0.016455,-0.003055,0.002077,0.014112,0.018406,0.002273,0.006 744,-0.020218,-0.000413,0.011672,0.001591,-0.008996,-0.006334,0.013073,0.012631,0.006988,0.00371,0.0014 79,-0.005422,-0.00467
^^^ Results (average for 87 German and German_East samples):
Germanic - 41.1%
Slavic - 24.7%
Celtic - 21.0%
Roman - 7.7%
Paleo-Balkan - 5.5%
And if I remove Early Czech Slav and use just Sorb alone as Slavic:
Germanic - 43.1%
Slavic - 21.9%
Celtic - 21.7%
Roman - 7.1%
Paleo-Balkan - 6.2%
Tried that model in Vuhaduo. I know it's not really a great model for someone of my ancestry but I only get Germanic and Celtic.
Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 2.8409% / 0.02840939
Aggregated
79.4 Germanic
20.6 Celtic
Any news on the Icelandic Gaelic samples being uploaded to either Gedmatch or the G25?
Thanks
Luke35
11-15-2019, 01:19 PM
How about this model, Germany_Medieval used instead of Dutch. Sorb and Early Czech Slav used as Slavic:
Germanic:DEU_MA,0.1223596,0.1303939,0.061169,0.048 773,0.039792,0.0199408,0.010975,0.0052151,0.001329 5,-0.0024966,-0.003735,0.001109,-0.0091576,-0.0038398,0.0161643,-0.0008352,-0.0133511,0.0032684,0.0041354,0.0040271,0.0060019, 0.0037342,-0.0007273,0.011146,-0.0004429
Slavic:Sorb,0.130897,0.137096,0.068636,0.056848,0. 050779,0.021196,0.011281,0.011076,-0.003477,-0.017312,-0.002111,-0.006744,0.013082,0.017891,-0.008415,0.001061,0.008475,-0.006208,0.007039,-0.004127,-0.003369,-0.007543,0.008011,-0.004458,0.001197
Slavic:CZE_Early_Slav,0.12862,0.129988,0.068259,0. 046835,0.02739,0.013387,0.007285,0.014076,-0.001841,-0.018406,-0.000812,-0.004346,0.003717,0.007156,-0.010993,-0.003182,0.011604,-0.002027,-0.002388,-0.004752,0.005615,0.000618,0.001725,-0.000964,-0.006706
Paleo-Balkan:HRV_IA,0.132035,0.151314,0.033941,-0.01615,0.024928,-0.005857,-0.006345,0.007154,0.003681,0.028976,0.001786,0.011 69,-0.02111,-0.001376,-0.005972,-0.008486,-0.006519,0.004941,0.005531,-0.014257,-0.001872,0.00507,0.001479,0.00253,0.003353
Paleo-Balkan:BGR_IA,0.126344,0.157407,0.007165,-0.051034,0.029852,-0.02259,0.00423,-0.001385,0.007772,0.032074,-0.001461,0.005695,-0.013974,-0.003028,-0.015065,-0.001458,0.01369,0.006968,0.006285,-0.014757,-0.006239,0.004699,-0.007888,0.003494,-0.008861
Roman:DEU_Roman,0.117238,0.151314,0.045254,0.00032 3,0.052317,0.001952,0.0047,-0.006,0.01943,0.028064,-0.002436,0.004946,-0.017393,-0.013212,-0.004614,0.00411,0.009388,0.006334,-0.000377,5e-04,0.000624,0.001484,-0.000616,-0.00735,-0.001796
Roman:ITA_Rome_Imperial,0.1027016,0.1489866,-0.0237507,-0.0575546,0.0043725,-0.0203241,-0.0013366,-0.0049469,0.0004219,0.019336,0.0032343,0.0023073,-0.0039209,-0.0015167,-0.008033,-0.0017982,0.003773,0.0005358,0.0013329,-0.0030926,-0.0024437,0.0018729,-0.0008961,-0.0004869,0.0005663
Roman:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA,0.125205,0.147252,0. 045254,0.005814,0.044931,0.005578,-0.00094,0.003461,0.023725,0.039363,-0.004547,0.008992,-0.021407,-0.014726,0.012893,-0.001989,-0.001043,0.006208,0.003017,-0.003252,0.004742,0.002844,-0.006286,-0.000241,-0.002036
Roman:ITA_Boville_Ernica_Latini_IA,0.126344,0.1533 45,0.035072,-0.014858,0.052317,-0.013387,-0.00094,0.003461,0.020452,0.04155,0.004222,0.01004 1,-0.013528,-0.008808,0.007465,-0.015646,-0.011995,-0.003041,0.004902,-0.012631,0.007861,0.006306,-0.007641,-0.001325,0.008023
Roman:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA,0.127482,0.148267,0.03469 5,-0.017442,0.043085,-0.005578,-0.002115,-0.003231,0.024952,0.051391,-0.001461,0.013488,-0.034043,-0.010184,-0.008415,0.011535,0.018515,-0.003674,0.005405,0.004377,0.003244,-0.001731,0.002588,-0.006266,-0.007544
Roman:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA,0.133173,0.156392,0.0441 23,-0.010336,0.046778,-0.004741,0.008225,0.004154,0.023725,0.044283,-0.004222,0.01109,-0.02215,-0.011147,-0.006243,-0.006099,0.002738,-0.000127,0.004902,-0.004252,-0.009109,0.004328,-0.003081,-0.009519,-0.002874
Celtic:CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany,0.12862,0.1376045,0.07 05215,0.034238,0.0481625,0.004044,0.0019975,0.0013 85,0.018509,0.019955,-0.012017,-0.0052455,-0.00944,0.0006195,0.0095685,-0.0013255,-0.005998,0.001774,0.0048395,0.0080665,0.001061,0.0 019785,-0.0006165,-0.005422,-0.0034725
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_78,0.132035,0.135065,0.04 6386,0.034238,0.036314,0.003626,0.002585,0.005769, 0.005318,0.010023,0.001299,0.011839,-0.016947,-0.015001,0.017236,0.015115,0.021513,0.005828,0.003 268,0.003252,0.006239,-0.002102,0.001109,-0.002651,-0.001676
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_119,0.121791,0.140143,0.0 5242,0.026486,0.040623,0.003068,0.001175,0.001154, 0.003477,0.017859,-0.001299,0.01124,-0.020961,-0.019818,0.01045,0.02201,0.01708,-0.0019,0.009679,0.002376,0.007986,0.003957,-0.005053,0.000964,0.008382
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_2,0.124067,0.140143,0.056 191,0.041021,0.042162,0.016455,-0.003055,0.002077,0.014112,0.018406,0.002273,0.006 744,-0.020218,-0.000413,0.011672,0.001591,-0.008996,-0.006334,0.013073,0.012631,0.006988,0.00371,0.0014 79,-0.005422,-0.00467
^^^ Results (average for 87 German and German_East samples):
Germanic - 41.1%
Slavic - 24.7%
Celtic - 21.0%
Roman - 7.7%
Paleo-Balkan - 5.5%
And if I remove Early Czech Slav and use just Sorb alone as Slavic:
Germanic - 43.1%
Slavic - 21.9%
Celtic - 21.7%
Roman - 7.1%
Paleo-Balkan - 6.2%
How about this model applied only to the Germans who fit in the 0% Sorb and the 1-10% Sorb, from the original post? I am assuming that these 2 groups (0%,10% Sorb) more closely represent West/Central Germans?
Peterski
11-15-2019, 02:22 PM
How about this model applied only to the Germans who fit in the 0% Sorb and the 1-10% Sorb, from the original post? I am assuming that these 2 groups (0%,10% Sorb) more closely represent West/Central Germans?
I applied a slightly different but similar model (see below).
Average Results:
Germanic - 52.8%
Celtic - 20.3%
Roman - 12.8%
Paleo-Balkan - 10.5%
Slavic - 3.6%
^^^ Populations used:
As "Germanic", Medieval Germany, Sweden Iron Age, Denmark Bronze Age:
Germanic:DEU_MA
Germanic:SWE_IA
Germanic:DNK_BA
As "Slavic" Sorb Brandenburg (Niederlausitz):
Slavic:Sorb
As "Paleo-Balkan" Croatia (Dalmatia) Iron Age:
Paleo-Balkan:HRV_IA
As "Roman", Latins, Republican and Imperial:
Roman:DEU_Roman
Roman:ITA_Rome_Imperial
Roman:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA
Roman:ITA_Boville_Ernica_Latini_IA
Roman:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA
Roman:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA
As "Celtic", Hallstatt, Lech Valley and RMPR116:
Celtic:CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_78
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_119
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_2
Celtic:ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR116
Celtic:DEU_Lech_MBA:OTTM_151ind2_d
SOURCE:
Germanic:DEU_MA,0.1223596,0.1303939,0.061169,0.048 773,0.039792,0.0199408,0.010975,0.0052151,0.001329 5,-0.0024966,-0.003735,0.001109,-0.0091576,-0.0038398,0.0161643,-0.0008352,-0.0133511,0.0032684,0.0041354,0.0040271,0.0060019, 0.0037342,-0.0007273,0.011146,-0.0004429
Germanic:SWE_IA,0.122929,0.123895,0.067127,0.05846 3,0.041238,0.02008,0.005875,0.007615,0.002863,-0.009659,0.003735,0.001948,-0.006987,0.003853,0.020358,-0.006762,-0.015385,0.006461,0.009427,0.00025,0.00025,0.00284 4,0.002465,0.011447,0.000359
Germanic:DNK_BA,0.1160995,0.1370965,0.0633565,0.05 24875,0.0296975,0.0301205,0.011163,-0.005192,-0.0072605,-0.003827,-0.002923,0.0089175,-0.004683,-0.0161015,0.0138435,0.0041765,0.00678,0.009565,0.0 152095,0.0046275,0.017906,-0.0087795,0.000801,0.002651,-0.0113765
Slavic:Sorb,0.130897,0.137096,0.068636,0.056848,0. 050779,0.021196,0.011281,0.011076,-0.003477,-0.017312,-0.002111,-0.006744,0.013082,0.017891,-0.008415,0.001061,0.008475,-0.006208,0.007039,-0.004127,-0.003369,-0.007543,0.008011,-0.004458,0.001197
Paleo-Balkan:HRV_IA,0.132035,0.151314,0.033941,-0.01615,0.024928,-0.005857,-0.006345,0.007154,0.003681,0.028976,0.001786,0.011 69,-0.02111,-0.001376,-0.005972,-0.008486,-0.006519,0.004941,0.005531,-0.014257,-0.001872,0.00507,0.001479,0.00253,0.003353
Roman:DEU_Roman,0.117238,0.151314,0.045254,0.00032 3,0.052317,0.001952,0.0047,-0.006,0.01943,0.028064,-0.002436,0.004946,-0.017393,-0.013212,-0.004614,0.00411,0.009388,0.006334,-0.000377,5e-04,0.000624,0.001484,-0.000616,-0.00735,-0.001796
Roman:ITA_Rome_Imperial,0.1027016,0.1489866,-0.0237507,-0.0575546,0.0043725,-0.0203241,-0.0013366,-0.0049469,0.0004219,0.019336,0.0032343,0.0023073,-0.0039209,-0.0015167,-0.008033,-0.0017982,0.003773,0.0005358,0.0013329,-0.0030926,-0.0024437,0.0018729,-0.0008961,-0.0004869,0.0005663
Roman:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA,0.125205,0.147252,0. 045254,0.005814,0.044931,0.005578,-0.00094,0.003461,0.023725,0.039363,-0.004547,0.008992,-0.021407,-0.014726,0.012893,-0.001989,-0.001043,0.006208,0.003017,-0.003252,0.004742,0.002844,-0.006286,-0.000241,-0.002036
Roman:ITA_Boville_Ernica_Latini_IA,0.126344,0.1533 45,0.035072,-0.014858,0.052317,-0.013387,-0.00094,0.003461,0.020452,0.04155,0.004222,0.01004 1,-0.013528,-0.008808,0.007465,-0.015646,-0.011995,-0.003041,0.004902,-0.012631,0.007861,0.006306,-0.007641,-0.001325,0.008023
Roman:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA,0.127482,0.148267,0.03469 5,-0.017442,0.043085,-0.005578,-0.002115,-0.003231,0.024952,0.051391,-0.001461,0.013488,-0.034043,-0.010184,-0.008415,0.011535,0.018515,-0.003674,0.005405,0.004377,0.003244,-0.001731,0.002588,-0.006266,-0.007544
Roman:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA,0.133173,0.156392,0.0441 23,-0.010336,0.046778,-0.004741,0.008225,0.004154,0.023725,0.044283,-0.004222,0.01109,-0.02215,-0.011147,-0.006243,-0.006099,0.002738,-0.000127,0.004902,-0.004252,-0.009109,0.004328,-0.003081,-0.009519,-0.002874
Celtic:CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany,0.12862,0.1376045,0.07 05215,0.034238,0.0481625,0.004044,0.0019975,0.0013 85,0.018509,0.019955,-0.012017,-0.0052455,-0.00944,0.0006195,0.0095685,-0.0013255,-0.005998,0.001774,0.0048395,0.0080665,0.001061,0.0 019785,-0.0006165,-0.005422,-0.0034725
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_78,0.132035,0.135065,0.04 6386,0.034238,0.036314,0.003626,0.002585,0.005769, 0.005318,0.010023,0.001299,0.011839,-0.016947,-0.015001,0.017236,0.015115,0.021513,0.005828,0.003 268,0.003252,0.006239,-0.002102,0.001109,-0.002651,-0.001676
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_119,0.121791,0.140143,0.0 5242,0.026486,0.040623,0.003068,0.001175,0.001154, 0.003477,0.017859,-0.001299,0.01124,-0.020961,-0.019818,0.01045,0.02201,0.01708,-0.0019,0.009679,0.002376,0.007986,0.003957,-0.005053,0.000964,0.008382
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_2,0.124067,0.140143,0.056 191,0.041021,0.042162,0.016455,-0.003055,0.002077,0.014112,0.018406,0.002273,0.006 744,-0.020218,-0.000413,0.011672,0.001591,-0.008996,-0.006334,0.013073,0.012631,0.006988,0.00371,0.0014 79,-0.005422,-0.00467
Celtic:ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR116,0.126344,0.140143 ,0.052797,0.019703,0.044624,0.001673,0.00282,0.008 307,0.018816,0.019681,-0.000487,0.005845,-0.013528,-0.010459,0.009365,0.003447,-0.000391,0,0.000628,-0.004752,0.002246,0.002597,-0.006286,-0.000964,0.00455
Celtic:DEU_Lech_MBA:OTTM_151ind2_d,0.127482,0.1563 92,0.047894,0.005491,0.04647,-0.011435,0.00329,0.011538,0.010022,0.031345,0.0064 96,0.012889,-0.012487,-0.01156,-0.0095,0.000796,0.001565,-0.003801,-0.005656,0.005753,-0.002995,0.009521,-0.001356,-0.006386,-0.011855
TARGET:
German:German12,0.12862,0.141159,0.050911,0.045866 ,0.036007,0.021196,0.000235,0.002538,0.00634,-0.005285,-0.009581,0.003897,0.002825,-0.012524,0.022122,0.01843,0.007953,-0.000507,0.004902,0.007379,-0.006988,0.004328,-0.00493,0.012652,0.003473
German:German14,0.129758,0.135065,0.032055,0.01582 7,0.045239,0.015897,0.00329,0.009923,0.002454,0.01 4032,-0.009256,0.009591,-0.005798,0.003991,0.013979,-0.014983,-0.020079,0.010515,0.007416,0,-0.003619,-0.008532,0.008381,0.003133,0.001197
German:German15,0.125205,0.151314,0.061094,0.03262 3,0.0437,0.02008,0.012456,0.007615,0.015135,0.0215 04,-0.009419,-0.00015,-0.02111,-0.003991,0.018458,0.010077,-0.009909,0.004181,0.002765,0.004877,0.015348,-0.005317,0.002465,0.003133,-0.001078
German:German2,0.122929,0.137096,0.041106,0.014535 ,0.031698,0.023148,0.003055,0.011307,-0.000409,0.016766,0.000162,0.006894,-0.006838,-0.0139,0.005293,-0.009812,-0.012908,-0.00152,-0.000251,-0.001501,0.003244,0.010634,-0.004067,0.003615,-0.006227
German:German22,0.132035,0.135065,0.04978,0.01938, 0.034468,0.01004,0.0094,0.003231,0.008385,0.006378 ,-0.001137,0.001798,-0.014123,-0.005918,0.012893,0.008353,-0.020992,0.003674,0.006034,-0.010255,-0.003369,0.006925,-0.010476,0.01928,0.000599
German:German24,0.134311,0.141159,0.061471,0.05458 7,0.041546,0.015897,0.008225,0.007846,-0.009204,-0.001276,-0.004709,0.008243,-0.008474,-0.003853,0.021037,-0.009679,-0.015125,0.001774,0.010936,0.012881,0.010232,0.003 71,0.000123,0.017352,-0.003233
German:German25,0.133173,0.137096,0.057699,0.03520 7,0.039084,0.020917,0.004935,0.010384,-0.000818,0.002369,-0.012666,0.002548,-0.017542,-0.000963,0.0095,-0.002519,-0.022296,-0.000507,0.003394,0.008254,0.006863,0.005193,0.005 793,0.00241,-0.001676
German:German26,0.132035,0.137096,0.056945,0.03714 5,0.036622,0.01506,0.006345,0.010846,-0.005318,0.017312,-0.00682,0.008243,-0.009812,-0.015827,0.012079,0.009679,0.018384,0.009375,0.006 034,0.004252,-0.001373,0.003091,0.002465,0.023859,-0.004311
German:German30,0.125205,0.140143,0.056568,0.02002 6,0.027082,0.00251,0.009635,0.013615,0,0.00893,-0.000162,0.009142,-0.010704,-0.007019,0.016829,-0.006364,-0.014081,0.006588,0.008673,0.000625,0.004243,0.008 037,-0.004314,0.015544,-0.00012
German:German31,0.129758,0.135065,0.058454,0.03940 6,0.041238,0.019801,0.003055,0.014307,0.018203,-0.003098,-0.002436,0.007943,-0.008176,-0.009771,0.015065,0.002652,-0.001434,0.007348,0.009804,0.007754,0.009858,0.005 441,-0.002218,0.019641,-0.012813
German:German33,0.120652,0.147252,0.053928,0.02745 5,0.05878,0.006414,0.005875,-0.001154,0.002454,0.00328,-0.012504,0.015137,-0.019623,0.002064,0.015879,-0.010607,-0.01343,0.00038,-0.004274,-0.013131,0.000998,0.004328,0.006162,0.001446,0.007 784
German:German35,0.129758,0.135065,0.074293,0.06040 1,0.032929,0.026774,-0.005875,0.005307,0.008181,0.003098,-0.005034,-0.001049,-0.001933,-0.003441,0.007057,-0.014717,-0.029336,-0.00152,-0.002388,0.002376,0.004492,0.008532,0.008258,0.007 712,-0.006227
German:German38,0.130897,0.150298,0.041483,0.02680 9,0.030467,0.016455,0.005405,0.007384,0.003681,0.0 09112,-0.009906,0.005245,-0.008771,0.000963,0.009908,-0.008618,-0.01017,-0.013302,-0.000754,-0.001626,-0.005116,0.01422,-0.005669,0.005543,-0.001796
German:German39,0.12862,0.139128,0.04978,0.050065, 0.044931,0.027889,0.005405,0.008077,0.002863,0.005 467,0.001299,0.006744,-0.011447,-0.008257,0.012893,0.00716,-0.00678,-0.00076,0.011187,0.00075,0.009358,0.012489,0.00505 3,0.002289,0.015567
German:German43,0.129758,0.139128,0.046386,0.02680 9,0.038469,0.003068,0.006345,0.002538,-0.004704,0.002551,0.000974,-0.001649,-0.000446,-0.007844,0.006243,-0.006364,-0.018906,-0.004687,-0.005531,0.001376,0.001497,0.004946,-0.009244,0.008435,0.002874
German:German44,0.132035,0.136081,0.053928,0.02842 4,0.0437,0.012271,0.00376,0.006692,0.015953,0.0136 68,-0.001624,-0.004496,-0.011744,-0.012111,0.003257,0.005304,-0.001304,0.006588,0.014204,-0.003252,0.004367,0.00779,-0.003697,0.00976,-0.008023
German:German46,0.137726,0.133034,0.062602,0.05749 4,0.030467,0.031236,0.003525,0.010153,-0.0045,-0.00656,0.004547,-0.001199,-0.005054,-0.00867,0.02158,0.007823,-0.005476,0.000633,-0.006913,0.01088,0.015348,0.002968,-0.001602,0.000843,0.000239
German:German48,0.133173,0.138112,0.038466,0.01518 1,0.041854,0.006414,0.001175,0.001846,0.014521,0.0 10752,-0.005846,0.006744,-0.008771,-0.011147,0.014929,0.001856,0.002086,0.00038,-0.007668,-0.002001,0.00574,-0.003215,0.002958,0.008555,0.001317
German:German49,0.122929,0.135065,0.051288,0.04715 8,0.039084,0.002789,-0.00235,0.002538,-0.000205,0.007836,0.003248,0.008542,-0.008028,-0.008945,0.019272,0.006629,-0.01369,0.00266,0.006034,0.005628,0.016471,-0.008408,0.011216,0.014219,-0.001796
German:German5,0.124067,0.131003,0.041483,0.020672 ,0.036314,0.009203,-0.001645,0.000923,0.01084,0.011299,0.00682,0.00509 5,-0.00773,0.000413,0.007872,0.002121,-0.002868,-0.000887,-0.00088,-0.000125,-0.002246,-0.000742,0.011832,0.000602,-0.006586
German:German50,0.141141,0.131003,0.06675,0.038114 ,0.042469,0.012271,-0.002585,0.008538,0.003477,0.005103,-0.015102,0.004646,0.006541,-0.011285,0.014251,0.02201,-0.001304,0.007601,0.007668,0.012631,0.001872,-0.009645,-0.007641,0.013375,-0.003712
German:German53,0.134311,0.138112,0.046763,0.01679 6,0.038161,0.007809,-0.005875,0.003,0.007976,0.006196,-0.012179,0.010641,0.000149,-0.013212,0.007736,-0.003315,-0.017341,0.002407,0.011439,-0.006503,0.009358,0.007296,0.000616,-0.000843,0.006945
German:German54,0.132035,0.129988,0.05506,0.024225 ,0.032621,0.008367,0.00423,0.006231,0.001841,0.006 925,0.004709,0.001499,-0.00223,-0.002064,0.003936,0.002652,-0.01343,-0.007095,0.00352,-0.008754,0.004492,0.003957,-0.005916,0.013255,-0.002275
German:German55,0.132035,0.137096,0.053551,0.02164 1,0.030159,0.013387,-0.00423,0.006231,-0.001636,0.008383,-0.002923,0.00015,-0.014717,-0.005092,0.00665,0.017502,-0.004042,-0.000633,0.006536,0.001751,0.000749,0.004328,-0.002958,0.00735,0.003233
German:German58,0.122929,0.132019,0.052797,0.04263 6,0.039084,0.00753,0.00987,0.004384,0.007976,0.010 57,-0.00406,0.002548,-0.003271,-0.003441,0.013708,0.006497,-0.009648,0.007601,0.015587,0.007629,-0.003369,-0.004081,0.007765,0.009399,0.003353
German:German6,0.130897,0.151314,0.049026,0.042313 ,0.036622,0.022869,0.012691,0.004615,0.000818,0.00 8565,0.003897,0.007343,-0.012636,-0.013074,0.016015,-0.003713,-0.01682,-0.003674,0.009553,-0.002126,-0.008984,-0.001237,-0.008751,0.029643,0.003832
German:German60,0.127482,0.136081,0.047517,0.03165 4,0.032314,0.018407,0.00188,0.003231,0.001227,0.01 221,-0.006171,0.003897,-0.003568,-0.010184,0.000271,-0.000398,-0.004433,0.010008,-0.007919,-0.002751,0.003494,0.004204,-0.008627,0.00723,0.00479
German:German61,0.135449,0.140143,0.057699,0.02325 6,0.033237,0.009761,0.006815,0.000923,0.013908,0.0 0164,0.005196,0.000899,-0.005946,-0.018029,0.0038,0.011933,0.01708,0.007475,0.009804 ,0.009379,0.007237,0.007666,-0.003821,0.002892,-0.008023
German:German65,0.121791,0.137096,0.044123,0.03843 7,0.036314,0.01255,0.00658,-0.001385,0,0.011116,-0.001624,0.008093,-0.019475,0.003578,0.009636,0.004641,-0.010691,0.001774,0.003645,-5e-04,-0.000749,0.000371,-0.019596,0.00735,0.004431
German:German66,0.137726,0.147252,0.048649,0.02616 3,0.025851,-0.003347,-0.00376,0.003923,0.012476,0.018041,0.003573,0.0046 46,-0.009514,0.003303,0.008415,-0.008884,-0.015907,0.004814,0.007919,-0.005127,0.003619,0.00643,0.002835,0.009158,-0.002155
German:German68,0.127482,0.133034,0.062979,0.03359 2,0.040931,0.008925,-0.002585,-0.001846,0.00634,0.000547,-0.012504,0.016785,-0.015758,-0.010459,0.020629,-0.00411,-0.024382,0.008108,0.009679,-0.005503,0.005989,0.006306,-0.002342,0.008073,-0.005029
German:German7,0.129758,0.14319,0.058454,0.013566, 0.042777,0.000558,0.004465,0.003692,0.013703,0.007 472,0.006658,3e-04,-0.010109,-0.006606,0.009229,0.00358,0.00678,0.003674,0.00226 3,-0.004127,-0.005241,0.005441,0.001849,0.010604,-0.012214
German:German70,0.12862,0.137096,0.057322,0.018411 ,0.038776,0.013387,0.013396,0.005538,-0.002045,0.001093,0.002273,0.000899,-0.013677,-0.012248,0.007872,-0.000133,0.001565,0.008108,0.004777,-0.003252,0.007612,0.001731,-0.003204,0.012652,-0.005149
German:German72,0.134311,0.139128,0.049026,0.01550 4,0.039084,0.00251,-0.00047,0.008307,0.002659,0.004191,-0.009094,0.006594,-0.005946,0.000963,0.016015,-0.008751,-0.015907,0,0.000628,0.000875,0.008984,0.003339,-0.001232,0.000482,-0.000718
German:German74,0.136588,0.140143,0.055437,0.03262 3,0.029852,0.016176,0.001645,0.002538,0.005318,0.0 05649,-0.010393,0.000899,-0.014866,0.000138,0.0076,-0.00358,-0.013951,-0.003547,0.010182,-0.005878,0.004991,-0.001607,-0.003697,0.004458,0.016885
German:German78,0.134311,0.139128,0.053551,0.03649 9,0.037853,0.016733,0.003525,0.000923,0.009613,-0.003098,-0.002598,0.005395,-0.010109,-0.000413,0.012215,-0.002519,-0.023078,0.008742,0.00088,0.005002,0.008235,0.0030 91,-0.001232,0.013978,-0.003353
German:German79,0.120652,0.14319,0.056568,0.031331 ,0.049548,0.009203,-0.00094,0.016845,-0.007567,0.010934,-0.008769,0.003897,-0.022002,-0.017203,0.006379,0.004243,0.008736,0.003801,-0.000754,0.010755,0.007986,0.00272,-0.00986,0.008796,0.003473
Token
11-15-2019, 02:28 PM
I applied a slightly different but similar model (see below).
Average Results:
Germanic - 52.8%
Celtic - 20.3%
Roman - 12.8%
Paleo-Balkan - 10.5%
Slavic - 3.6%
^^^
Model used:
SOURCE:
That is probably your best model.
Peterski
11-15-2019, 02:34 PM
That is probably your best model.
But this model has such low Slavic only because I excluded samples scoring high Slavic.
(see the TARGET section - only German individuals with 0-10% Slavic were used here)
SharpFork
11-15-2019, 02:42 PM
But this model has such low Slavic only because I excluded samples scoring high Slavic.
(see the TARGET section - only German individuals with 0-10% Slavic were used here)
AFAIK looking at my k36 results the only Western region that could go above or around 10% Slavic would be Bavaria, even Schleswig-Holstein is 100% Germanic(basically almost the same as Dane), at least the samples there. The least Slavic regions in the east are all the coastal ones from West to East obviously(the very least is 25% Slavic for Mecklenburg) and Sachsen-Anhalt, Brandenburg is surprisingly as slavic as Lower Silesia. I'll post the results later.
SharpFork
11-15-2019, 02:45 PM
But this model has such low Slavic only because I excluded samples scoring high Slavic.
(see the TARGET section - only German individuals with 0-10% Slavic were used here)
For Paleo-Balkan and general East Med ancestry using Greek and Bulgaria IA might be better. Didn't you say Croatia Iron Age was northern shifted(by Celt-like people I imagine?)
For Paleo-Balkan and general East Med ancestry using Greek and Bulgaria IA might be better. Didn't you say Croatia Iron Age was northern shifted(by Celt-like people I imagine?)
No Celts living in bronze age Dinaric Alps. They never existed there.
Coastal Elite
11-15-2019, 02:54 PM
I applied a slightly different but similar model (see below).
Average Results:
Germanic - 52.8%
Celtic - 20.3%
Roman - 12.8%
Paleo-Balkan - 10.5%
Slavic - 3.6%
^^^ Populations used:
As "Germanic", Medieval Germany, Sweden Iron Age, Denmark Bronze Age:
Germanic:DEU_MA
Germanic:SWE_IA
Germanic:DNK_BA
As "Slavic" Sorb Brandenburg (Niederlausitz):
Slavic:Sorb
As "Paleo-Balkan" Croatia (Dalmatia) Iron Age:
Paleo-Balkan:HRV_IA
As "Roman", Latins, Republican and Imperial:
Roman:DEU_Roman
Roman:ITA_Rome_Imperial
Roman:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA
Roman:ITA_Boville_Ernica_Latini_IA
Roman:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA
Roman:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA
As "Celtic", Hallstatt, Lech Valley and RMPR116:
Celtic: CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany
Celtic: DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_78
Celtic: DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_119
Celtic: DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_2
Celtic: ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR116
Celtic: DEU_Lech_MBA:OTTM_151ind2_d
Using Peterski's last two codes. Very nice fits
Distance: 1.7593% / 0.01759255
Aggregated
34.8 Germanic
28.6 Paleo-Balkan
18.8 Celtic
13.6 Slavic
4.2 Roman
0.04593280 Celtic: DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_2
0.04631012 Germanic: DEU_MA
0.04759063 Celtic: DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_119
0.05029466 Celtic: CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany
0.05458717 Roman: ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA
and
Target: DacoCeltic_scaled
Distance: 1.8296% / 0.01829631
Aggregated
37.8 Germanic
29.0 Paleo-Balkan
20.0 Celtic
7.6 Slavic
5.6 Roman
.03907768 Celtic: ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR116
0.04137009 Celtic: DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_78
0.04593280 Celtic: DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_2
0.04631012 Germanic: DEU_MA
0.04759063 Celtic: DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_119
Karol Klačansky
11-15-2019, 02:57 PM
my slavic to germanic admixture
https://i.ibb.co/m5W6Z06/scaled-to-7-pops.jpg (https://ibb.co/TM3mj1m)
https://i.ibb.co/RQmZkzG/slavic-germanic-breakdown.jpg (https://ibb.co/r5STR4K)
I cluster close to a lot of east germans
^^^^could somebody run this model for me?
Feodora_scaled,0.132035,0.132019,0.055437,0.026809 ,0.036007,0.014223,0.012456,0.005538,-0.002045,-0.005285,-0.006171,0.001199,-0.000297,0.010872,-0.008822,0.012463,0.025034,0.001647,0.007793,0.002 751,0.000125,-0.005688,0.002218,-0.009519,-0.000239
Token
11-15-2019, 02:57 PM
For Paleo-Balkan and general East Med ancestry using Greek and Bulgaria IA might be better. Didn't you say Croatia Iron Age was northern shifted(by Celt-like people I imagine?)
The Iron Age Croatian sample was probably a Illyrian.
nittionia
11-15-2019, 02:57 PM
I applied a slightly different but similar model (see below).
This is his with this model
https://i.imgur.com/xlteWwZ.png
vbnetkhio
11-15-2019, 02:58 PM
For Paleo-Balkan and general East Med ancestry using Greek and Bulgaria IA might be better. Didn't you say Croatia Iron Age was northern shifted(by Celt-like people I imagine?)
too old for Celts. he is best modelled as 50% German Corded Ware + 50% Croatian neolithic
Peterski
11-15-2019, 02:58 PM
Now once again using all German and German_East samples as TARGET:
Two identical models with one difference - first using Sorb and then Av2 as proxy for Slavs:
Germanic:DEU_MA
Germanic:SWE_IA
Germanic:DNK_BA
HUN_Szolad_Av2 (1st model)
Sorb_Niederlausitz (2nd model)
Paleo-Balkan:HRV_IA (from Croatia/Dalmatia)
Roman:DEU_Roman
Roman:ITA_Rome_Imperial
Roman:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA
Roman:ITA_Boville_Ernica_Latini_IA
Roman:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA
Roman:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA
Celtic:CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_78
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_119
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_2
Celtic:DEU_Lech_MBA:OTTM_151ind2_d
https://i.imgur.com/3fyJLTN.png
Nice calc Peterski.
Target: Dick_dad_scaled
Distance: 2.3458% / 0.02345778
55.6 Slavic:Sorb
28.4 Roman:ITA_Rome_Imperial
10.2 Germanic:SWE_IA
3.2 Celtic:CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany
2.6 Roman:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA
Target: Dick_scaled
Distance: 2.1304% / 0.02130391
58.2 Slavic:Sorb
30.6 Roman:ITA_Rome_Imperial
6.0 Paleo-Balkan:HRV_IA
5.2 Germanic:SWE_IA
SharpFork
11-15-2019, 03:01 PM
No Celts living in bronze age Dinaric Alps. They never existed there.
too old for Celts. he is best modelled as 50% German Corded Ware + 50% Croatian neolithic
I wasn't saying he was a Celt, I just heard something before but apparently it was not about this sample, still I think we should complement it with Bulgarian IA too or at least some other Balkanic sample, one single is too little.
I wasn't saying he was a Celt, I just heard something before but apparently it was not about this sample, still I think we should complement it with Bulgarian IA too or at least some other Balkanic sample, one single is too little.
Sure, but all bronze age samples from Croatia looked like that one, even the Vučedol sample from far away eastern Slavonia (which is in Panonnian plain) was like these Dalmatian samples.
^^^^could somebody run this model for me?
Feodora_scaled,0.132035,0.132019,0.055437,0.026809 ,0.036007,0.014223,0.012456,0.005538,-0.002045,-0.005285,-0.006171,0.001199,-0.000297,0.010872,-0.008822,0.012463,0.025034,0.001647,0.007793,0.002 751,0.000125,-0.005688,0.002218,-0.009519,-0.000239
I ran this one for you if that’s what you meant
Target: Feodora_scaled
Distance: 2.5432% / 0.02543241
58.6 Slavic:Sorb
22.2 Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_78
9.8 Roman:ITA_Rome_Imperial
9.4 Roman:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA
vbnetkhio
11-15-2019, 03:13 PM
I wasn't saying he was a Celt, I just heard something before but apparently it was not about this sample, still I think we should complement it with Bulgarian IA too or at least some other Balkanic sample, one single is too little.
you heard well, there were some theories that he must be Italic, Celtic etc. because most people couldn't believe ancient Balkanians plotted like that.
you heard well, there were some theories that he must be Italic, Celtic etc. because most people couldn't believe ancient Balkanians plotted like that.
What about that ancient Montenegrin sample that plotted in Lapland :rotfl:
vbnetkhio
11-15-2019, 03:18 PM
What about that ancient Montenegrin sample that plotted in Lapland :rotfl:
there were 2 of them, they had like 1000 SNPs, that's barely enough to detect are they European or African, in fact one of them scores some SSA in eurogenes
there were 2 of them, they had like 1000 SNPs, that's barely enough to detect are they European or African, in fact one of them scores some SSA in eurogenes
It was from Montenegro after all
SharpFork
11-15-2019, 03:26 PM
you heard well, there were some theories that he must be Italic, Celtic etc. because most people couldn't believe ancient Balkanians plotted like that.
Plotted like what? It don't seem to be too strange modelling it through WHG/Yamnaya/ENF or modern populations.
vbnetkhio
11-15-2019, 03:33 PM
Plotted like what? They don't seem to be too strange modelling them through WHG/Yamnaya/ENF or modern populations.
like this
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/37981-Bronze-Age-Balkan-DNA
and these are very probably proto-Celts, for comparison
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/39362-Lech-Valley-Bronze-Age-samples-on-GEDmatch
Token
11-15-2019, 03:34 PM
you heard well, there were some theories that he must be Italic, Celtic etc. because most people couldn't believe ancient Balkanians plotted like that.
He plots close to Iron Age Latins.
Peterski
11-15-2019, 05:37 PM
Sorb modelled with Av2 Szolad used as Slavs:
https://i.imgur.com/AUsXue0.png
^^^
More details, Lech_MBA is especially preferred:
https://i.imgur.com/biUaNqr.png
^^^
Model used:
Germanic:
Germanic:DEU_MA
Germanic:SWE_IA
Germanic:DNK_BA
Slavic:
Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2
Paleo-Balkan:
Paleo-Balkan:HRV_IA
Romans:
Roman:DEU_Roman
Roman:ITA_Rome_Imperial
Roman:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA
Roman:ITA_Boville_Ernica_Latini_IA
Roman:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA
Roman:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA
Celtic:
Celtic:CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_78
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_119
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_2
Celtic:DEU_Lech_MBA - this one is especially preferred as a source of Non-Slavic admixture for Sorb.
It seems Sorbs might have some indigenous to Germany but Non-Germanic ancestry represented by Lech_MBA.
Token
11-15-2019, 06:52 PM
Sorb modelled with Av2 Szolad used as Slavs:
^^^
More details, Lech_MBA is especially preferred:
^^^
Model used:
Germanic:
Germanic:DEU_MA
Germanic:SWE_IA
Germanic:DNK_BA
Slavic:
Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2
Paleo-Balkan:
Paleo-Balkan:HRV_IA
Romans:
Roman:DEU_Roman
Roman:ITA_Rome_Imperial
Roman:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA
Roman:ITA_Boville_Ernica_Latini_IA
Roman:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA
Roman:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA
Celtic:
Celtic:CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_78
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_119
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_2
Celtic:DEU_Lech_MBA - this one is especially preferred as a source of Non-Slavic admixture for Sorb.
It seems Sorbs might have some indigenous to Germany but Non-Germanic ancestry represented by Lech_MBA.
Middle Bronze Age Lechians were in all likelihood Celtic speakers.
Peterski
11-15-2019, 07:07 PM
Middle Bronze Age Lechians were in all likelihood Celtic speakers.
That is only one sample. But I agree. Some of the EBA ones were also Celtic probably (those younger than 2000 BC).
Karol Klačansky
11-15-2019, 11:01 PM
@peterski where is the spread sheet for all of these G25 ancient and modern samples?
Sent from my ANE-LX1 using Tapatalk
Karol Klačansky
11-15-2019, 11:20 PM
How about this model, Germany_Medieval used instead of Dutch. Sorb and Early Czech Slav used as Slavic:
Germanic:DEU_MA,0.1223596,0.1303939,0.061169,0.048 773,0.039792,0.0199408,0.010975,0.0052151,0.001329 5,-0.0024966,-0.003735,0.001109,-0.0091576,-0.0038398,0.0161643,-0.0008352,-0.0133511,0.0032684,0.0041354,0.0040271,0.0060019, 0.0037342,-0.0007273,0.011146,-0.0004429
Slavic:Sorb,0.130897,0.137096,0.068636,0.056848,0. 050779,0.021196,0.011281,0.011076,-0.003477,-0.017312,-0.002111,-0.006744,0.013082,0.017891,-0.008415,0.001061,0.008475,-0.006208,0.007039,-0.004127,-0.003369,-0.007543,0.008011,-0.004458,0.001197
Slavic:CZE_Early_Slav,0.12862,0.129988,0.068259,0. 046835,0.02739,0.013387,0.007285,0.014076,-0.001841,-0.018406,-0.000812,-0.004346,0.003717,0.007156,-0.010993,-0.003182,0.011604,-0.002027,-0.002388,-0.004752,0.005615,0.000618,0.001725,-0.000964,-0.006706
Paleo-Balkan:HRV_IA,0.132035,0.151314,0.033941,-0.01615,0.024928,-0.005857,-0.006345,0.007154,0.003681,0.028976,0.001786,0.011 69,-0.02111,-0.001376,-0.005972,-0.008486,-0.006519,0.004941,0.005531,-0.014257,-0.001872,0.00507,0.001479,0.00253,0.003353
Paleo-Balkan:BGR_IA,0.126344,0.157407,0.007165,-0.051034,0.029852,-0.02259,0.00423,-0.001385,0.007772,0.032074,-0.001461,0.005695,-0.013974,-0.003028,-0.015065,-0.001458,0.01369,0.006968,0.006285,-0.014757,-0.006239,0.004699,-0.007888,0.003494,-0.008861
Roman:DEU_Roman,0.117238,0.151314,0.045254,0.00032 3,0.052317,0.001952,0.0047,-0.006,0.01943,0.028064,-0.002436,0.004946,-0.017393,-0.013212,-0.004614,0.00411,0.009388,0.006334,-0.000377,5e-04,0.000624,0.001484,-0.000616,-0.00735,-0.001796
Roman:ITA_Rome_Imperial,0.1027016,0.1489866,-0.0237507,-0.0575546,0.0043725,-0.0203241,-0.0013366,-0.0049469,0.0004219,0.019336,0.0032343,0.0023073,-0.0039209,-0.0015167,-0.008033,-0.0017982,0.003773,0.0005358,0.0013329,-0.0030926,-0.0024437,0.0018729,-0.0008961,-0.0004869,0.0005663
Roman:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA,0.125205,0.147252,0. 045254,0.005814,0.044931,0.005578,-0.00094,0.003461,0.023725,0.039363,-0.004547,0.008992,-0.021407,-0.014726,0.012893,-0.001989,-0.001043,0.006208,0.003017,-0.003252,0.004742,0.002844,-0.006286,-0.000241,-0.002036
Roman:ITA_Boville_Ernica_Latini_IA,0.126344,0.1533 45,0.035072,-0.014858,0.052317,-0.013387,-0.00094,0.003461,0.020452,0.04155,0.004222,0.01004 1,-0.013528,-0.008808,0.007465,-0.015646,-0.011995,-0.003041,0.004902,-0.012631,0.007861,0.006306,-0.007641,-0.001325,0.008023
Roman:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA,0.127482,0.148267,0.03469 5,-0.017442,0.043085,-0.005578,-0.002115,-0.003231,0.024952,0.051391,-0.001461,0.013488,-0.034043,-0.010184,-0.008415,0.011535,0.018515,-0.003674,0.005405,0.004377,0.003244,-0.001731,0.002588,-0.006266,-0.007544
Roman:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA,0.133173,0.156392,0.0441 23,-0.010336,0.046778,-0.004741,0.008225,0.004154,0.023725,0.044283,-0.004222,0.01109,-0.02215,-0.011147,-0.006243,-0.006099,0.002738,-0.000127,0.004902,-0.004252,-0.009109,0.004328,-0.003081,-0.009519,-0.002874
Celtic:CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany,0.12862,0.1376045,0.07 05215,0.034238,0.0481625,0.004044,0.0019975,0.0013 85,0.018509,0.019955,-0.012017,-0.0052455,-0.00944,0.0006195,0.0095685,-0.0013255,-0.005998,0.001774,0.0048395,0.0080665,0.001061,0.0 019785,-0.0006165,-0.005422,-0.0034725
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_78,0.132035,0.135065,0.04 6386,0.034238,0.036314,0.003626,0.002585,0.005769, 0.005318,0.010023,0.001299,0.011839,-0.016947,-0.015001,0.017236,0.015115,0.021513,0.005828,0.003 268,0.003252,0.006239,-0.002102,0.001109,-0.002651,-0.001676
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_119,0.121791,0.140143,0.0 5242,0.026486,0.040623,0.003068,0.001175,0.001154, 0.003477,0.017859,-0.001299,0.01124,-0.020961,-0.019818,0.01045,0.02201,0.01708,-0.0019,0.009679,0.002376,0.007986,0.003957,-0.005053,0.000964,0.008382
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_2,0.124067,0.140143,0.056 191,0.041021,0.042162,0.016455,-0.003055,0.002077,0.014112,0.018406,0.002273,0.006 744,-0.020218,-0.000413,0.011672,0.001591,-0.008996,-0.006334,0.013073,0.012631,0.006988,0.00371,0.0014 79,-0.005422,-0.00467
^^^ Results (average for 87 German and German_East samples):
Germanic - 41.1%
Slavic - 24.7%
Celtic - 21.0%
Roman - 7.7%
Paleo-Balkan - 5.5%
And if I remove Early Czech Slav and use just Sorb alone as Slavic:
Germanic - 43.1%
Slavic - 21.9%
Celtic - 21.7%
Roman - 7.1%
Paleo-Balkan - 6.2%
my results with czech early slav and sorb included
Target: Karol_scaled
Distance: 2.6413% / 0.02641266
Aggregated
70.4 Slavic
28.4 Celtic
1.2 Germanic
Distance to: Karol_scaled
0.03811318 Slavic:CZE_Early_Slav
0.03958165 Slavic:Sorb
0.04936894 Germanic:DEU_MA
0.05790195 Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_78
0.05885274 Celtic:CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany
0.06157548 Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_2
0.06457988 Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_11
0.08590848 Roman:DEU_Roman
0.09156928 Roman:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA
0.10807884 Roman:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA
0.10842318 Paleo-Balkan:HRV_IA
0.11575849 Roman:ITA_Boville_Ernica_Latini_IA
0.11635183 Roman:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA
0.14422563 Paleo-Balkan:BGR_IA
0.16466125 Roman:ITA_Rome_Imperial
czech early slav sample bumps my slavic ancestry over 70%, im for sure descended from the same stock that gave rise to great moravia
Not a Cop
11-16-2019, 06:38 AM
Big distance for my GF, but realistic results.
Target: Grandfather
Distance: 2.3231% / 0.02323125
Aggregated
51.6 Germanic
48.4 Slavic
celticdragongod
11-17-2019, 01:00 AM
How about this model, Germany_Medieval used instead of Dutch. Sorb and Early Czech Slav used as Slavic:
Germanic:DEU_MA,0.1223596,0.1303939,0.061169,0.048 773,0.039792,0.0199408,0.010975,0.0052151,0.001329 5,-0.0024966,-0.003735,0.001109,-0.0091576,-0.0038398,0.0161643,-0.0008352,-0.0133511,0.0032684,0.0041354,0.0040271,0.0060019, 0.0037342,-0.0007273,0.011146,-0.0004429
Slavic:Sorb,0.130897,0.137096,0.068636,0.056848,0. 050779,0.021196,0.011281,0.011076,-0.003477,-0.017312,-0.002111,-0.006744,0.013082,0.017891,-0.008415,0.001061,0.008475,-0.006208,0.007039,-0.004127,-0.003369,-0.007543,0.008011,-0.004458,0.001197
Slavic:CZE_Early_Slav,0.12862,0.129988,0.068259,0. 046835,0.02739,0.013387,0.007285,0.014076,-0.001841,-0.018406,-0.000812,-0.004346,0.003717,0.007156,-0.010993,-0.003182,0.011604,-0.002027,-0.002388,-0.004752,0.005615,0.000618,0.001725,-0.000964,-0.006706
Paleo-Balkan:HRV_IA,0.132035,0.151314,0.033941,-0.01615,0.024928,-0.005857,-0.006345,0.007154,0.003681,0.028976,0.001786,0.011 69,-0.02111,-0.001376,-0.005972,-0.008486,-0.006519,0.004941,0.005531,-0.014257,-0.001872,0.00507,0.001479,0.00253,0.003353
Paleo-Balkan:BGR_IA,0.126344,0.157407,0.007165,-0.051034,0.029852,-0.02259,0.00423,-0.001385,0.007772,0.032074,-0.001461,0.005695,-0.013974,-0.003028,-0.015065,-0.001458,0.01369,0.006968,0.006285,-0.014757,-0.006239,0.004699,-0.007888,0.003494,-0.008861
Roman:DEU_Roman,0.117238,0.151314,0.045254,0.00032 3,0.052317,0.001952,0.0047,-0.006,0.01943,0.028064,-0.002436,0.004946,-0.017393,-0.013212,-0.004614,0.00411,0.009388,0.006334,-0.000377,5e-04,0.000624,0.001484,-0.000616,-0.00735,-0.001796
Roman:ITA_Rome_Imperial,0.1027016,0.1489866,-0.0237507,-0.0575546,0.0043725,-0.0203241,-0.0013366,-0.0049469,0.0004219,0.019336,0.0032343,0.0023073,-0.0039209,-0.0015167,-0.008033,-0.0017982,0.003773,0.0005358,0.0013329,-0.0030926,-0.0024437,0.0018729,-0.0008961,-0.0004869,0.0005663
Roman:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA,0.125205,0.147252,0. 045254,0.005814,0.044931,0.005578,-0.00094,0.003461,0.023725,0.039363,-0.004547,0.008992,-0.021407,-0.014726,0.012893,-0.001989,-0.001043,0.006208,0.003017,-0.003252,0.004742,0.002844,-0.006286,-0.000241,-0.002036
Roman:ITA_Boville_Ernica_Latini_IA,0.126344,0.1533 45,0.035072,-0.014858,0.052317,-0.013387,-0.00094,0.003461,0.020452,0.04155,0.004222,0.01004 1,-0.013528,-0.008808,0.007465,-0.015646,-0.011995,-0.003041,0.004902,-0.012631,0.007861,0.006306,-0.007641,-0.001325,0.008023
Roman:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA,0.127482,0.148267,0.03469 5,-0.017442,0.043085,-0.005578,-0.002115,-0.003231,0.024952,0.051391,-0.001461,0.013488,-0.034043,-0.010184,-0.008415,0.011535,0.018515,-0.003674,0.005405,0.004377,0.003244,-0.001731,0.002588,-0.006266,-0.007544
Roman:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA,0.133173,0.156392,0.0441 23,-0.010336,0.046778,-0.004741,0.008225,0.004154,0.023725,0.044283,-0.004222,0.01109,-0.02215,-0.011147,-0.006243,-0.006099,0.002738,-0.000127,0.004902,-0.004252,-0.009109,0.004328,-0.003081,-0.009519,-0.002874
Celtic:CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany,0.12862,0.1376045,0.07 05215,0.034238,0.0481625,0.004044,0.0019975,0.0013 85,0.018509,0.019955,-0.012017,-0.0052455,-0.00944,0.0006195,0.0095685,-0.0013255,-0.005998,0.001774,0.0048395,0.0080665,0.001061,0.0 019785,-0.0006165,-0.005422,-0.0034725
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_78,0.132035,0.135065,0.04 6386,0.034238,0.036314,0.003626,0.002585,0.005769, 0.005318,0.010023,0.001299,0.011839,-0.016947,-0.015001,0.017236,0.015115,0.021513,0.005828,0.003 268,0.003252,0.006239,-0.002102,0.001109,-0.002651,-0.001676
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_119,0.121791,0.140143,0.0 5242,0.026486,0.040623,0.003068,0.001175,0.001154, 0.003477,0.017859,-0.001299,0.01124,-0.020961,-0.019818,0.01045,0.02201,0.01708,-0.0019,0.009679,0.002376,0.007986,0.003957,-0.005053,0.000964,0.008382
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_2,0.124067,0.140143,0.056 191,0.041021,0.042162,0.016455,-0.003055,0.002077,0.014112,0.018406,0.002273,0.006 744,-0.020218,-0.000413,0.011672,0.001591,-0.008996,-0.006334,0.013073,0.012631,0.006988,0.00371,0.0014 79,-0.005422,-0.00467
^^^ Results (average for 87 German and German_East samples):
Germanic - 41.1%
Slavic - 24.7%
Celtic - 21.0%
Roman - 7.7%
Paleo-Balkan - 5.5%
And if I remove Early Czech Slav and use just Sorb alone as Slavic:
Germanic - 43.1%
Slavic - 21.9%
Celtic - 21.7%
Roman - 7.1%
Paleo-Balkan - 6.2%
My Results:
[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
Germanic:DEU_MA Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_2
0.2427956 0.4122120
Celtic:CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_78
0.4814270 0.5504571
Slavic:CZE_Early_Slav Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_119
0.6120997 0.6199968
Slavic:Sorb Roman:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA
0.6705675 0.7385029
Roman:DEU_Roman Paleo-Balkan:HRV_IA
0.8309748 0.9370006
Roman:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA Roman:ITA_Boville_Ernica_Latini_IA
0.9651209 1.0026830
Roman:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA Paleo-Balkan:BGR_IA
1.1067900 1.4036009
Roman:ITA_Rome_Imperial
1.5893345
[1] "2. FULL TABLE nMONTE"
[1] "penalty= 0"
[1] "Ncycles= 1000"
[1] "distance%=2.2799"
cdg_scaled
Germanic,79.6
Celtic,20.4
[1] "2. FULL TABLE nMONTE"
[1] "penalty= 0.001"
[1] "Ncycles= 1000"
[1] "distance%=2.2848"
cdg_scaled
Germanic,83
Celtic,16.6
Roman,0.4
Are you sure that Germanic:DEU_MA is really Germanic?
SharpFork
11-17-2019, 01:10 AM
My Results:
[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
Germanic:DEU_MA Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_2
0.2427956 0.4122120
Celtic:CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_78
0.4814270 0.5504571
Slavic:CZE_Early_Slav Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_119
0.6120997 0.6199968
Slavic:Sorb Roman:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA
0.6705675 0.7385029
Roman:DEU_Roman Paleo-Balkan:HRV_IA
0.8309748 0.9370006
Roman:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA Roman:ITA_Boville_Ernica_Latini_IA
0.9651209 1.0026830
Roman:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA Paleo-Balkan:BGR_IA
1.1067900 1.4036009
Roman:ITA_Rome_Imperial
1.5893345
[1] "2. FULL TABLE nMONTE"
[1] "penalty= 0"
[1] "Ncycles= 1000"
[1] "distance%=2.2799"
cdg_scaled
Germanic,79.6
Celtic,20.4
[1] "2. FULL TABLE nMONTE"
[1] "penalty= 0.001"
[1] "Ncycles= 1000"
[1] "distance%=2.2848"
cdg_scaled
Germanic,83
Celtic,16.6
Roman,0.4
Are you sure that Germanic:DEU_MA is really Germanic?
Yeah of course it is, the problem is that the Celtic samples lack insular ones.
celticdragongod
11-17-2019, 01:12 AM
Tried that model in Vuhaduo. I know it's not really a great model for someone of my ancestry but I only get Germanic and Celtic.
Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 2.8409% / 0.02840939
Aggregated
79.4 Germanic
20.6 Celtic
Your results seem to indicate that the Celts of Britain and Ireland were not the same as the Celts of central Europe.
celticdragongod
11-17-2019, 01:28 AM
I applied a slightly different but similar model (see below).
Average Results:
Germanic - 52.8%
Celtic - 20.3%
Roman - 12.8%
Paleo-Balkan - 10.5%
Slavic - 3.6%
^^^ Populations used:
As "Germanic", Medieval Germany, Sweden Iron Age, Denmark Bronze Age:
Germanic:DEU_MA
Germanic:SWE_IA
Germanic:DNK_BA
As "Slavic" Sorb Brandenburg (Niederlausitz):
Slavic:Sorb
As "Paleo-Balkan" Croatia (Dalmatia) Iron Age:
Paleo-Balkan:HRV_IA
As "Roman", Latins, Republican and Imperial:
Roman:DEU_Roman
Roman:ITA_Rome_Imperial
Roman:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA
Roman:ITA_Boville_Ernica_Latini_IA
Roman:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA
Roman:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA
As "Celtic", Hallstatt, Lech Valley and RMPR116:
Celtic:CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_78
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_119
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_2
Celtic:ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR116
Celtic:DEU_Lech_MBA:OTTM_151ind2_d
SOURCE:
Germanic:DEU_MA,0.1223596,0.1303939,0.061169,0.048 773,0.039792,0.0199408,0.010975,0.0052151,0.001329 5,-0.0024966,-0.003735,0.001109,-0.0091576,-0.0038398,0.0161643,-0.0008352,-0.0133511,0.0032684,0.0041354,0.0040271,0.0060019, 0.0037342,-0.0007273,0.011146,-0.0004429
Germanic:SWE_IA,0.122929,0.123895,0.067127,0.05846 3,0.041238,0.02008,0.005875,0.007615,0.002863,-0.009659,0.003735,0.001948,-0.006987,0.003853,0.020358,-0.006762,-0.015385,0.006461,0.009427,0.00025,0.00025,0.00284 4,0.002465,0.011447,0.000359
Germanic:DNK_BA,0.1160995,0.1370965,0.0633565,0.05 24875,0.0296975,0.0301205,0.011163,-0.005192,-0.0072605,-0.003827,-0.002923,0.0089175,-0.004683,-0.0161015,0.0138435,0.0041765,0.00678,0.009565,0.0 152095,0.0046275,0.017906,-0.0087795,0.000801,0.002651,-0.0113765
Slavic:Sorb,0.130897,0.137096,0.068636,0.056848,0. 050779,0.021196,0.011281,0.011076,-0.003477,-0.017312,-0.002111,-0.006744,0.013082,0.017891,-0.008415,0.001061,0.008475,-0.006208,0.007039,-0.004127,-0.003369,-0.007543,0.008011,-0.004458,0.001197
Paleo-Balkan:HRV_IA,0.132035,0.151314,0.033941,-0.01615,0.024928,-0.005857,-0.006345,0.007154,0.003681,0.028976,0.001786,0.011 69,-0.02111,-0.001376,-0.005972,-0.008486,-0.006519,0.004941,0.005531,-0.014257,-0.001872,0.00507,0.001479,0.00253,0.003353
Roman:DEU_Roman,0.117238,0.151314,0.045254,0.00032 3,0.052317,0.001952,0.0047,-0.006,0.01943,0.028064,-0.002436,0.004946,-0.017393,-0.013212,-0.004614,0.00411,0.009388,0.006334,-0.000377,5e-04,0.000624,0.001484,-0.000616,-0.00735,-0.001796
Roman:ITA_Rome_Imperial,0.1027016,0.1489866,-0.0237507,-0.0575546,0.0043725,-0.0203241,-0.0013366,-0.0049469,0.0004219,0.019336,0.0032343,0.0023073,-0.0039209,-0.0015167,-0.008033,-0.0017982,0.003773,0.0005358,0.0013329,-0.0030926,-0.0024437,0.0018729,-0.0008961,-0.0004869,0.0005663
Roman:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA,0.125205,0.147252,0. 045254,0.005814,0.044931,0.005578,-0.00094,0.003461,0.023725,0.039363,-0.004547,0.008992,-0.021407,-0.014726,0.012893,-0.001989,-0.001043,0.006208,0.003017,-0.003252,0.004742,0.002844,-0.006286,-0.000241,-0.002036
Roman:ITA_Boville_Ernica_Latini_IA,0.126344,0.1533 45,0.035072,-0.014858,0.052317,-0.013387,-0.00094,0.003461,0.020452,0.04155,0.004222,0.01004 1,-0.013528,-0.008808,0.007465,-0.015646,-0.011995,-0.003041,0.004902,-0.012631,0.007861,0.006306,-0.007641,-0.001325,0.008023
Roman:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA,0.127482,0.148267,0.03469 5,-0.017442,0.043085,-0.005578,-0.002115,-0.003231,0.024952,0.051391,-0.001461,0.013488,-0.034043,-0.010184,-0.008415,0.011535,0.018515,-0.003674,0.005405,0.004377,0.003244,-0.001731,0.002588,-0.006266,-0.007544
Roman:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA,0.133173,0.156392,0.0441 23,-0.010336,0.046778,-0.004741,0.008225,0.004154,0.023725,0.044283,-0.004222,0.01109,-0.02215,-0.011147,-0.006243,-0.006099,0.002738,-0.000127,0.004902,-0.004252,-0.009109,0.004328,-0.003081,-0.009519,-0.002874
Celtic:CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany,0.12862,0.1376045,0.07 05215,0.034238,0.0481625,0.004044,0.0019975,0.0013 85,0.018509,0.019955,-0.012017,-0.0052455,-0.00944,0.0006195,0.0095685,-0.0013255,-0.005998,0.001774,0.0048395,0.0080665,0.001061,0.0 019785,-0.0006165,-0.005422,-0.0034725
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_78,0.132035,0.135065,0.04 6386,0.034238,0.036314,0.003626,0.002585,0.005769, 0.005318,0.010023,0.001299,0.011839,-0.016947,-0.015001,0.017236,0.015115,0.021513,0.005828,0.003 268,0.003252,0.006239,-0.002102,0.001109,-0.002651,-0.001676
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_119,0.121791,0.140143,0.0 5242,0.026486,0.040623,0.003068,0.001175,0.001154, 0.003477,0.017859,-0.001299,0.01124,-0.020961,-0.019818,0.01045,0.02201,0.01708,-0.0019,0.009679,0.002376,0.007986,0.003957,-0.005053,0.000964,0.008382
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_2,0.124067,0.140143,0.056 191,0.041021,0.042162,0.016455,-0.003055,0.002077,0.014112,0.018406,0.002273,0.006 744,-0.020218,-0.000413,0.011672,0.001591,-0.008996,-0.006334,0.013073,0.012631,0.006988,0.00371,0.0014 79,-0.005422,-0.00467
Celtic:ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR116,0.126344,0.140143 ,0.052797,0.019703,0.044624,0.001673,0.00282,0.008 307,0.018816,0.019681,-0.000487,0.005845,-0.013528,-0.010459,0.009365,0.003447,-0.000391,0,0.000628,-0.004752,0.002246,0.002597,-0.006286,-0.000964,0.00455
Celtic:DEU_Lech_MBA:OTTM_151ind2_d,0.127482,0.1563 92,0.047894,0.005491,0.04647,-0.011435,0.00329,0.011538,0.010022,0.031345,0.0064 96,0.012889,-0.012487,-0.01156,-0.0095,0.000796,0.001565,-0.003801,-0.005656,0.005753,-0.002995,0.009521,-0.001356,-0.006386,-0.011855
My Results:
[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
Germanic:DEU_MA Germanic:SWE_IA
0.2427956 0.3203976
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_2 Celtic:CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany
0.4122120 0.4814270
Germanic:DNK_BA Celtic:ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR116
0.5124833 0.5458396
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_78 Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_119
0.5504571 0.6199968
Slavic:Sorb Roman:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA
0.6705675 0.7385029
Celtic:DEU_Lech_MBA:OTTM_151ind2_d Roman:DEU_Roman
0.8293091 0.8309748
Paleo-Balkan:HRV_IA Roman:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA
0.9370006 0.9651209
Roman:ITA_Boville_Ernica_Latini_IA Roman:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA
1.0026830 1.1067900
Roman:ITA_Rome_Imperial
1.5893345
[1] "2. FULL TABLE nMONTE"
[1] "penalty= 0"
[1] "Ncycles= 1000"
[1] "distance%=2.2152"
cdg_scaled
Germanic,76.2
Celtic,19.8
Roman,4
[1] "2. FULL TABLE nMONTE"
[1] "penalty= 0.001"
[1] "Ncycles= 1000"
[1] "distance%=2.2308"
cdg_scaled
Germanic,82
Celtic,15.2
Roman,2.6
Paleo-Balkan,0.2
J. Ketch
11-17-2019, 01:28 AM
Yeah of course it is, the problem is that the Celtic samples lack insular ones.
Even with Scotland LBA added me and my father still get too much Germanic (DEU MA).
My Results:
[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
Germanic:DEU_MA Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_2
0.2427956 0.4122120
Celtic:CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_78
0.4814270 0.5504571
Slavic:CZE_Early_Slav Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_119
0.6120997 0.6199968
Slavic:Sorb Roman:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA
0.6705675 0.7385029
Roman:DEU_Roman Paleo-Balkan:HRV_IA
0.8309748 0.9370006
Roman:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA Roman:ITA_Boville_Ernica_Latini_IA
0.9651209 1.0026830
Roman:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA Paleo-Balkan:BGR_IA
1.1067900 1.4036009
Roman:ITA_Rome_Imperial
1.5893345
[1] "2. FULL TABLE nMONTE"
[1] "penalty= 0"
[1] "Ncycles= 1000"
[1] "distance%=2.2799"
cdg_scaled
Germanic,79.6
Celtic,20.4
[1] "2. FULL TABLE nMONTE"
[1] "penalty= 0.001"
[1] "Ncycles= 1000"
[1] "distance%=2.2848"
cdg_scaled
Germanic,83
Celtic,16.6
Roman,0.4
Are you sure that Germanic:DEU_MA is really Germanic?
Try this instead, works well for my family
Germanic:Norwegian,0.1338234,0.1279567,0.0679357,0 .0534334,0.0386443,0.0210366,0.0041964,0.0062964,0 .0057267,0.0003906,-0.0037349,0.0036823,-0.007518,-0.011698,0.0210754,0.0093949,-0.0054203,0.0026061,0.0006823,0.0007503,0.005633,0 .0055643,0.0042784,0.0177304,0.0010947
Slavic:Sorb,0.130897,0.137096,0.068636,0.056848,0. 050779,0.021196,0.011281,0.011076,-0.003477,-0.017312,-0.002111,-0.006744,0.013082,0.017891,-0.008415,0.001061,0.008475,-0.006208,0.007039,-0.004127,-0.003369,-0.007543,0.008011,-0.004458,0.001197
Slavic:CZE_Early_Slav,0.12862,0.129988,0.068259,0. 046835,0.02739,0.013387,0.007285,0.014076,-0.001841,-0.018406,-0.000812,-0.004346,0.003717,0.007156,-0.010993,-0.003182,0.011604,-0.002027,-0.002388,-0.004752,0.005615,0.000618,0.001725,-0.000964,-0.006706
Paleo-Balkan:HRV_IA,0.132035,0.151314,0.033941,-0.01615,0.024928,-0.005857,-0.006345,0.007154,0.003681,0.028976,0.001786,0.011 69,-0.02111,-0.001376,-0.005972,-0.008486,-0.006519,0.004941,0.005531,-0.014257,-0.001872,0.00507,0.001479,0.00253,0.003353
Paleo-Balkan:BGR_IA,0.126344,0.157407,0.007165,-0.051034,0.029852,-0.02259,0.00423,-0.001385,0.007772,0.032074,-0.001461,0.005695,-0.013974,-0.003028,-0.015065,-0.001458,0.01369,0.006968,0.006285,-0.014757,-0.006239,0.004699,-0.007888,0.003494,-0.008861
Roman:DEU_Roman,0.117238,0.151314,0.045254,0.00032 3,0.052317,0.001952,0.0047,-0.006,0.01943,0.028064,-0.002436,0.004946,-0.017393,-0.013212,-0.004614,0.00411,0.009388,0.006334,-0.000377,5e-04,0.000624,0.001484,-0.000616,-0.00735,-0.001796
Roman:ITA_Rome_Imperial,0.1027016,0.1489866,-0.0237507,-0.0575546,0.0043725,-0.0203241,-0.0013366,-0.0049469,0.0004219,0.019336,0.0032343,0.0023073,-0.0039209,-0.0015167,-0.008033,-0.0017982,0.003773,0.0005358,0.0013329,-0.0030926,-0.0024437,0.0018729,-0.0008961,-0.0004869,0.0005663
Roman:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA,0.125205,0.147252,0. 045254,0.005814,0.044931,0.005578,-0.00094,0.003461,0.023725,0.039363,-0.004547,0.008992,-0.021407,-0.014726,0.012893,-0.001989,-0.001043,0.006208,0.003017,-0.003252,0.004742,0.002844,-0.006286,-0.000241,-0.002036
Roman:ITA_Boville_Ernica_Latini_IA,0.126344,0.1533 45,0.035072,-0.014858,0.052317,-0.013387,-0.00094,0.003461,0.020452,0.04155,0.004222,0.01004 1,-0.013528,-0.008808,0.007465,-0.015646,-0.011995,-0.003041,0.004902,-0.012631,0.007861,0.006306,-0.007641,-0.001325,0.008023
Roman:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA,0.127482,0.148267,0.03469 5,-0.017442,0.043085,-0.005578,-0.002115,-0.003231,0.024952,0.051391,-0.001461,0.013488,-0.034043,-0.010184,-0.008415,0.011535,0.018515,-0.003674,0.005405,0.004377,0.003244,-0.001731,0.002588,-0.006266,-0.007544
Roman:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA,0.133173,0.156392,0.0441 23,-0.010336,0.046778,-0.004741,0.008225,0.004154,0.023725,0.044283,-0.004222,0.01109,-0.02215,-0.011147,-0.006243,-0.006099,0.002738,-0.000127,0.004902,-0.004252,-0.009109,0.004328,-0.003081,-0.009519,-0.002874
Celtic:CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany,0.12862,0.1376045,0.07 05215,0.034238,0.0481625,0.004044,0.0019975,0.0013 85,0.018509,0.019955,-0.012017,-0.0052455,-0.00944,0.0006195,0.0095685,-0.0013255,-0.005998,0.001774,0.0048395,0.0080665,0.001061,0.0 019785,-0.0006165,-0.005422,-0.0034725
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_78,0.132035,0.135065,0.04 6386,0.034238,0.036314,0.003626,0.002585,0.005769, 0.005318,0.010023,0.001299,0.011839,-0.016947,-0.015001,0.017236,0.015115,0.021513,0.005828,0.003 268,0.003252,0.006239,-0.002102,0.001109,-0.002651,-0.001676
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_119,0.121791,0.140143,0.0 5242,0.026486,0.040623,0.003068,0.001175,0.001154, 0.003477,0.017859,-0.001299,0.01124,-0.020961,-0.019818,0.01045,0.02201,0.01708,-0.0019,0.009679,0.002376,0.007986,0.003957,-0.005053,0.000964,0.008382
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_2,0.124067,0.140143,0.056 191,0.041021,0.042162,0.016455,-0.003055,0.002077,0.014112,0.018406,0.002273,0.006 744,-0.020218,-0.000413,0.011672,0.001591,-0.008996,-0.006334,0.013073,0.012631,0.006988,0.00371,0.0014 79,-0.005422,-0.00467
BritishBA:Scotland_LBA,0.1297585,0.133542,0.063073 2,0.0527298,0.0351605,0.0193132,0.0061102,0.003057 5,0.001892,-0.0027338,-0.0060082,0.0064818,-0.0180252,-0.0164115,0.024226,0.0058672,-0.0143422,0.0036108,0.0032995,0.0005313,0.0056462, 0.0044822,-0.0003393,0.0042172,0.0041315
Target: CreodaDad_scaled
Distance: 2.5823% / 0.02582262
Aggregated
70.8 BritishBA
16.6 Germanic
6.2 Celtic
5.4 Slavic
1.0 Roman
Target: CreodaMum_scaled
Distance: 1.2911% / 0.01291106
Aggregated
40.8 Germanic
27.0 BritishBA
22.2 Celtic
10.0 Slavic
Target: Creoda_scaled
Distance: 1.9344% / 0.01934409
Aggregated
71.4 BritishBA
20.0 Germanic
5.4 Celtic
3.0 Roman
0.2 Paleo-Balkan
nittionia
11-17-2019, 01:33 AM
Even with Scotland LBA added me and my father still get too much Germanic (DEU MA).
Try this instead, works well for my family
Germanic:Norwegian,0.1338234,0.1279567,0.0679357,0 .0534334,0.0386443,0.0210366,0.0041964,0.0062964,0 .0057267,0.0003906,-0.0037349,0.0036823,-0.007518,-0.011698,0.0210754,0.0093949,-0.0054203,0.0026061,0.0006823,0.0007503,0.005633,0 .0055643,0.0042784,0.0177304,0.0010947
Slavic:Sorb,0.130897,0.137096,0.068636,0.056848,0. 050779,0.021196,0.011281,0.011076,-0.003477,-0.017312,-0.002111,-0.006744,0.013082,0.017891,-0.008415,0.001061,0.008475,-0.006208,0.007039,-0.004127,-0.003369,-0.007543,0.008011,-0.004458,0.001197
Slavic:CZE_Early_Slav,0.12862,0.129988,0.068259,0. 046835,0.02739,0.013387,0.007285,0.014076,-0.001841,-0.018406,-0.000812,-0.004346,0.003717,0.007156,-0.010993,-0.003182,0.011604,-0.002027,-0.002388,-0.004752,0.005615,0.000618,0.001725,-0.000964,-0.006706
Paleo-Balkan:HRV_IA,0.132035,0.151314,0.033941,-0.01615,0.024928,-0.005857,-0.006345,0.007154,0.003681,0.028976,0.001786,0.011 69,-0.02111,-0.001376,-0.005972,-0.008486,-0.006519,0.004941,0.005531,-0.014257,-0.001872,0.00507,0.001479,0.00253,0.003353
Paleo-Balkan:BGR_IA,0.126344,0.157407,0.007165,-0.051034,0.029852,-0.02259,0.00423,-0.001385,0.007772,0.032074,-0.001461,0.005695,-0.013974,-0.003028,-0.015065,-0.001458,0.01369,0.006968,0.006285,-0.014757,-0.006239,0.004699,-0.007888,0.003494,-0.008861
Roman:DEU_Roman,0.117238,0.151314,0.045254,0.00032 3,0.052317,0.001952,0.0047,-0.006,0.01943,0.028064,-0.002436,0.004946,-0.017393,-0.013212,-0.004614,0.00411,0.009388,0.006334,-0.000377,5e-04,0.000624,0.001484,-0.000616,-0.00735,-0.001796
Roman:ITA_Rome_Imperial,0.1027016,0.1489866,-0.0237507,-0.0575546,0.0043725,-0.0203241,-0.0013366,-0.0049469,0.0004219,0.019336,0.0032343,0.0023073,-0.0039209,-0.0015167,-0.008033,-0.0017982,0.003773,0.0005358,0.0013329,-0.0030926,-0.0024437,0.0018729,-0.0008961,-0.0004869,0.0005663
Roman:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA,0.125205,0.147252,0. 045254,0.005814,0.044931,0.005578,-0.00094,0.003461,0.023725,0.039363,-0.004547,0.008992,-0.021407,-0.014726,0.012893,-0.001989,-0.001043,0.006208,0.003017,-0.003252,0.004742,0.002844,-0.006286,-0.000241,-0.002036
Roman:ITA_Boville_Ernica_Latini_IA,0.126344,0.1533 45,0.035072,-0.014858,0.052317,-0.013387,-0.00094,0.003461,0.020452,0.04155,0.004222,0.01004 1,-0.013528,-0.008808,0.007465,-0.015646,-0.011995,-0.003041,0.004902,-0.012631,0.007861,0.006306,-0.007641,-0.001325,0.008023
Roman:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA,0.127482,0.148267,0.03469 5,-0.017442,0.043085,-0.005578,-0.002115,-0.003231,0.024952,0.051391,-0.001461,0.013488,-0.034043,-0.010184,-0.008415,0.011535,0.018515,-0.003674,0.005405,0.004377,0.003244,-0.001731,0.002588,-0.006266,-0.007544
Roman:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA,0.133173,0.156392,0.0441 23,-0.010336,0.046778,-0.004741,0.008225,0.004154,0.023725,0.044283,-0.004222,0.01109,-0.02215,-0.011147,-0.006243,-0.006099,0.002738,-0.000127,0.004902,-0.004252,-0.009109,0.004328,-0.003081,-0.009519,-0.002874
Celtic:CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany,0.12862,0.1376045,0.07 05215,0.034238,0.0481625,0.004044,0.0019975,0.0013 85,0.018509,0.019955,-0.012017,-0.0052455,-0.00944,0.0006195,0.0095685,-0.0013255,-0.005998,0.001774,0.0048395,0.0080665,0.001061,0.0 019785,-0.0006165,-0.005422,-0.0034725
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_78,0.132035,0.135065,0.04 6386,0.034238,0.036314,0.003626,0.002585,0.005769, 0.005318,0.010023,0.001299,0.011839,-0.016947,-0.015001,0.017236,0.015115,0.021513,0.005828,0.003 268,0.003252,0.006239,-0.002102,0.001109,-0.002651,-0.001676
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_119,0.121791,0.140143,0.0 5242,0.026486,0.040623,0.003068,0.001175,0.001154, 0.003477,0.017859,-0.001299,0.01124,-0.020961,-0.019818,0.01045,0.02201,0.01708,-0.0019,0.009679,0.002376,0.007986,0.003957,-0.005053,0.000964,0.008382
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_2,0.124067,0.140143,0.056 191,0.041021,0.042162,0.016455,-0.003055,0.002077,0.014112,0.018406,0.002273,0.006 744,-0.020218,-0.000413,0.011672,0.001591,-0.008996,-0.006334,0.013073,0.012631,0.006988,0.00371,0.0014 79,-0.005422,-0.00467
BritishBA:Scotland_LBA,0.1297585,0.133542,0.063073 2,0.0527298,0.0351605,0.0193132,0.0061102,0.003057 5,0.001892,-0.0027338,-0.0060082,0.0064818,-0.0180252,-0.0164115,0.024226,0.0058672,-0.0143422,0.0036108,0.0032995,0.0005313,0.0056462, 0.0044822,-0.0003393,0.0042172,0.0041315
I tried it with my dad
https://i.imgur.com/5SNCCKW.png
Luke35
11-17-2019, 01:37 AM
Using the Creoda code from above:
Target: Mr.G_scaled
Distance: 1.3888% / 0.01388813
Aggregated
51.4 Germanic
24.6 Slavic
15.4 Roman
6.8 Paleo-Balkan
1.8 Celtic
J. Ketch
11-17-2019, 01:42 AM
Germanic:Norwegian,0.1338234,0.1279567,0.0679357,0 .0534334,0.0386443,0.0210366,0.0041964,0.0062964,0 .0057267,0.0003906,-0.0037349,0.0036823,-0.007518,-0.011698,0.0210754,0.0093949,-0.0054203,0.0026061,0.0006823,0.0007503,0.005633,0 .0055643,0.0042784,0.0177304,0.0010947
Germanic:SVK_Poprad_MA,0.124067,0.135065,0.059585, 0.043282,0.041238,0.017291,-0.001175,0.002769,0.002659,-0.00328,-0.003248,0.007044,-0.012487,-0.006606,0.0057,0.020154,0.002217,0.000127,-0.000377,-0.00075,-0.00287,0.004081,0.000986,0.021328,0.000599
Slavic:Sorb,0.130897,0.137096,0.068636,0.056848,0. 050779,0.021196,0.011281,0.011076,-0.003477,-0.017312,-0.002111,-0.006744,0.013082,0.017891,-0.008415,0.001061,0.008475,-0.006208,0.007039,-0.004127,-0.003369,-0.007543,0.008011,-0.004458,0.001197
Paleo-Balkan:HRV_IA,0.132035,0.151314,0.033941,-0.01615,0.024928,-0.005857,-0.006345,0.007154,0.003681,0.028976,0.001786,0.011 69,-0.02111,-0.001376,-0.005972,-0.008486,-0.006519,0.004941,0.005531,-0.014257,-0.001872,0.00507,0.001479,0.00253,0.003353
Roman:DEU_Roman,0.117238,0.151314,0.045254,0.00032 3,0.052317,0.001952,0.0047,-0.006,0.01943,0.028064,-0.002436,0.004946,-0.017393,-0.013212,-0.004614,0.00411,0.009388,0.006334,-0.000377,5e-04,0.000624,0.001484,-0.000616,-0.00735,-0.001796
Roman:ITA_Rome_Imperial,0.1027016,0.1489866,-0.0237507,-0.0575546,0.0043725,-0.0203241,-0.0013366,-0.0049469,0.0004219,0.019336,0.0032343,0.0023073,-0.0039209,-0.0015167,-0.008033,-0.0017982,0.003773,0.0005358,0.0013329,-0.0030926,-0.0024437,0.0018729,-0.0008961,-0.0004869,0.0005663
Roman:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA,0.125205,0.147252,0. 045254,0.005814,0.044931,0.005578,-0.00094,0.003461,0.023725,0.039363,-0.004547,0.008992,-0.021407,-0.014726,0.012893,-0.001989,-0.001043,0.006208,0.003017,-0.003252,0.004742,0.002844,-0.006286,-0.000241,-0.002036
Roman:ITA_Boville_Ernica_Latini_IA,0.126344,0.1533 45,0.035072,-0.014858,0.052317,-0.013387,-0.00094,0.003461,0.020452,0.04155,0.004222,0.01004 1,-0.013528,-0.008808,0.007465,-0.015646,-0.011995,-0.003041,0.004902,-0.012631,0.007861,0.006306,-0.007641,-0.001325,0.008023
Roman:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA,0.127482,0.148267,0.03469 5,-0.017442,0.043085,-0.005578,-0.002115,-0.003231,0.024952,0.051391,-0.001461,0.013488,-0.034043,-0.010184,-0.008415,0.011535,0.018515,-0.003674,0.005405,0.004377,0.003244,-0.001731,0.002588,-0.006266,-0.007544
Roman:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA,0.133173,0.156392,0.0441 23,-0.010336,0.046778,-0.004741,0.008225,0.004154,0.023725,0.044283,-0.004222,0.01109,-0.02215,-0.011147,-0.006243,-0.006099,0.002738,-0.000127,0.004902,-0.004252,-0.009109,0.004328,-0.003081,-0.009519,-0.002874
Celtic:CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany,0.12862,0.1376045,0.07 05215,0.034238,0.0481625,0.004044,0.0019975,0.0013 85,0.018509,0.019955,-0.012017,-0.0052455,-0.00944,0.0006195,0.0095685,-0.0013255,-0.005998,0.001774,0.0048395,0.0080665,0.001061,0.0 019785,-0.0006165,-0.005422,-0.0034725
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_78,0.132035,0.135065,0.04 6386,0.034238,0.036314,0.003626,0.002585,0.005769, 0.005318,0.010023,0.001299,0.011839,-0.016947,-0.015001,0.017236,0.015115,0.021513,0.005828,0.003 268,0.003252,0.006239,-0.002102,0.001109,-0.002651,-0.001676
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_119,0.121791,0.140143,0.0 5242,0.026486,0.040623,0.003068,0.001175,0.001154, 0.003477,0.017859,-0.001299,0.01124,-0.020961,-0.019818,0.01045,0.02201,0.01708,-0.0019,0.009679,0.002376,0.007986,0.003957,-0.005053,0.000964,0.008382
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_2,0.124067,0.140143,0.056 191,0.041021,0.042162,0.016455,-0.003055,0.002077,0.014112,0.018406,0.002273,0.006 744,-0.020218,-0.000413,0.011672,0.001591,-0.008996,-0.006334,0.013073,0.012631,0.006988,0.00371,0.0014 79,-0.005422,-0.00467
Celtic:ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR116,0.126344,0.140143 ,0.052797,0.019703,0.044624,0.001673,0.00282,0.008 307,0.018816,0.019681,-0.000487,0.005845,-0.013528,-0.010459,0.009365,0.003447,-0.000391,0,0.000628,-0.004752,0.002246,0.002597,-0.006286,-0.000964,0.00455
Celtic:DEU_Lech_MBA:OTTM_151ind2_d,0.127482,0.1563 92,0.047894,0.005491,0.04647,-0.011435,0.00329,0.011538,0.010022,0.031345,0.0064 96,0.012889,-0.012487,-0.01156,-0.0095,0.000796,0.001565,-0.003801,-0.005656,0.005753,-0.002995,0.009521,-0.001356,-0.006386,-0.011855
BritishBA:Scotland_LBA,0.1297585,0.133542,0.063073 2,0.0527298,0.0351605,0.0193132,0.0061102,0.003057 5,0.001892,-0.0027338,-0.0060082,0.0064818,-0.0180252,-0.0164115,0.024226,0.0058672,-0.0143422,0.0036108,0.0032995,0.0005313,0.0056462, 0.0044822,-0.0003393,0.0042172,0.0041315
Target: CreodaDad_scaled
Distance: 2.5823% / 0.02582262
Aggregated
70.8 BritishBA
16.6 Germanic
6.2 Celtic
5.4 Slavic
1.0 Roman
Target: CreodaMum_scaled
Distance: 1.3073% / 0.01307327
Aggregated
45.8 Germanic
30.0 BritishBA
20.2 Celtic
4.0 Slavic
Target: Creoda_scaled
Distance: 1.9343% / 0.01934261
Aggregated
71.4 BritishBA
20.2 Germanic
5.2 Celtic
3.2 Roman
Coastal Elite
11-17-2019, 01:44 AM
Using the latest cool code. Good fits
Target: DacoCeltic_scaled
Distance: 1.6641% / 0.01664092
Aggregated
43.4 Germanic
24.6 Paleo-Balkan
12.4 Roman
10.2 Slavic
6.8 Celtic
2.6 BritishBA
the one before
Target: DacoCeltic_scaled
Distance: 1.5878% / 0.01587845
Aggregated
38.2 Germanic
24.4 Paleo-Balkan
15.6 Slavic
10.2 Roman
6.0 BritishBA
5.6 Celtic
J. Ketch
11-17-2019, 01:51 AM
^^None of these will deliver adequate and consistent results in distinguishing ancient NW European btw, but they're fun to try.
Coastal Elite
11-17-2019, 02:00 AM
^^None of these will deliver adequate and consistent results in distinguishing ancient NW European btw, but they're fun to try.
I just like to try the different codes for fun and compare results. Nothing too serious. Interesting results and a good fit nevertheless.
Why is the Slovakia Poprad sample Germanic?
Target: Dick_dad_scaled
Distance: 2.3455% / 0.02345518
55.8 Slavic:Sorb
28.4 Roman:ITA_Rome_Imperial
9.0 Germanic:SVK_Poprad_MA
6.8 Celtic:CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany
Target: Dick_scaled
Distance: 2.1451% / 0.02145098
61.4 Slavic:Sorb
30.0 Roman:ITA_Rome_Imperial
7.2 Paleo-Balkan:HRV_IA
1.0 Celtic:CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany
0.4 Germanic:Norwegian
celticdragongod
11-17-2019, 02:49 AM
Using this model (RMPR116 is part of Celtic because that sample looks like Gaulish immigrant in Rome; perhaps I should use more of Imperial Rome):
Swiss_German,0.127624,0.1407779,0.0460088,0.022731 1,0.0406229,0.0073906,0.0027906,0.0051344,0.008640 9,0.0121641,-0.0015224,0.005264,-0.0149402,-0.008808,0.0083638,-0.0011269,-0.0025912,0.0012192,0.0053735,-0.0009222,0.0019341,0.0035086,-0.0025574,0.006974,-0.0025596
Dutch,0.1267527,0.1313048,0.0610935,0.0461486,0.04 0469,0.0166244,0.0065435,0.0080802,0.003576,0.0003 275,-0.0064447,0.0045873,-0.0087082,-0.0088422,0.0174443,0.005345,-0.0082143,0.0012669,0.0042698,0.0028138,0.0046909, 0.0028672,0.0002678,0.0153541,-0.0004921
French_Alsace,0.1273112,0.1403715,0.0503172,0.0224 324,0.0384224,0.0089105,0.0029199,0.0048748,0.0068 516,0.010679,-0.0031341,0.0045785,-0.0094438,-0.0041699,0.0085606,0.0030662,-0.0048927,0.0024387,0.003243,-0.000716,0.0027639,0.0011562,-0.0013219,0.0071364,-0.0003143
French_Nord,0.1282752,0.1405432,0.0513571,0.025605 1,0.0382728,0.0088906,0.0010967,0.0044194,0.008373 ,0.0120166,-0.003484,0.0040328,-0.0108613,-0.0081823,0.0111991,0.0025432,-0.0046069,0.0022266,0.0040947,0.0010308,0.0021327, 0.0015249,-0.0015724,0.0074707,1.45e-05
Belgian,0.1271867,0.1378863,0.0508694,0.0285197,0. 038879,0.0112177,0.0042389,0.0034529,0.0074159,0.0 110489,-0.0050521,0.0047014,-0.0127298,-0.0096131,0.0131448,0.0035701,-0.004404,0.00221,0.0022114,-0.0012784,0.0035491,0.0017494,-0.0014059,0.0102914,0.0011088
Sorb,0.130897,0.137096,0.068636,0.056848,0.050779, 0.021196,0.011281,0.011076,-0.003477,-0.017312,-0.002111,-0.006744,0.013082,0.017891,-0.008415,0.001061,0.008475,-0.006208,0.007039,-0.004127,-0.003369,-0.007543,0.008011,-0.004458,0.001197
Paleo-Balkan:HRV_IA,0.132035,0.151314,0.033941,-0.01615,0.024928,-0.005857,-0.006345,0.007154,0.003681,0.028976,0.001786,0.011 69,-0.02111,-0.001376,-0.005972,-0.008486,-0.006519,0.004941,0.005531,-0.014257,-0.001872,0.00507,0.001479,0.00253,0.003353
Paleo-Balkan:BGR_IA,0.126344,0.157407,0.007165,-0.051034,0.029852,-0.02259,0.00423,-0.001385,0.007772,0.032074,-0.001461,0.005695,-0.013974,-0.003028,-0.015065,-0.001458,0.01369,0.006968,0.006285,-0.014757,-0.006239,0.004699,-0.007888,0.003494,-0.008861
Paleo-Balkan:HRV_MBA,0.124636,0.149283,0.031301,-0.0098515,0.0386225,-0.0023705,-0.00564,-0.002423,0.006647,0.030069,8.15e-05,0.0106405,-0.0150145,-0.009152,-0.006786,0.0086185,0.014277,-0.0020905,0.0034565,-0.011318,-0.0035565,0.0037715,-0.00228,0.002952,-0.001796
Roman:DEU_Roman,0.117238,0.151314,0.045254,0.00032 3,0.052317,0.001952,0.0047,-0.006,0.01943,0.028064,-0.002436,0.004946,-0.017393,-0.013212,-0.004614,0.00411,0.009388,0.006334,-0.000377,5e-04,0.000624,0.001484,-0.000616,-0.00735,-0.001796
Roman:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA:RMPR435b,0.125205,0. 147252,0.045254,0.005814,0.044931,0.005578,-0.00094,0.003461,0.023725,0.039363,-0.004547,0.008992,-0.021407,-0.014726,0.012893,-0.001989,-0.001043,0.006208,0.003017,-0.003252,0.004742,0.002844,-0.006286,-0.000241,-0.002036
Roman:ITA_Boville_Ernica_IA:RMPR1021,0.126344,0.15 3345,0.035072,-0.014858,0.052317,-0.013387,-0.00094,0.003461,0.020452,0.04155,0.004222,0.01004 1,-0.013528,-0.008808,0.007465,-0.015646,-0.011995,-0.003041,0.004902,-0.012631,0.007861,0.006306,-0.007641,-0.001325,0.008023
Celtic:CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany,0.12862,0.1376045,0.07 05215,0.034238,0.0481625,0.004044,0.0019975,0.0013 85,0.018509,0.019955,-0.012017,-0.0052455,-0.00944,0.0006195,0.0095685,-0.0013255,-0.005998,0.001774,0.0048395,0.0080665,0.001061,0.0 019785,-0.0006165,-0.005422,-0.0034725
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_78,0.132035,0.135065,0.04 6386,0.034238,0.036314,0.003626,0.002585,0.005769, 0.005318,0.010023,0.001299,0.011839,-0.016947,-0.015001,0.017236,0.015115,0.021513,0.005828,0.003 268,0.003252,0.006239,-0.002102,0.001109,-0.002651,-0.001676
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_119,0.121791,0.140143,0.0 5242,0.026486,0.040623,0.003068,0.001175,0.001154, 0.003477,0.017859,-0.001299,0.01124,-0.020961,-0.019818,0.01045,0.02201,0.01708,-0.0019,0.009679,0.002376,0.007986,0.003957,-0.005053,0.000964,0.008382
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_2,0.124067,0.140143,0.056 191,0.041021,0.042162,0.016455,-0.003055,0.002077,0.014112,0.018406,0.002273,0.006 744,-0.020218,-0.000413,0.011672,0.001591,-0.008996,-0.006334,0.013073,0.012631,0.006988,0.00371,0.0014 79,-0.005422,-0.00467
Celtic:ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR116,0.126344,0.140143 ,0.052797,0.019703,0.044624,0.001673,0.00282,0.008 307,0.018816,0.019681,-0.000487,0.005845,-0.013528,-0.010459,0.009365,0.003447,-0.000391,0,0.000628,-0.004752,0.002246,0.002597,-0.006286,-0.000964,0.00455
My Results:
[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
Dutch Belgian
0.1919175 0.3548722
French_Nord Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_2
0.3819977 0.4122120
French_Alsace Swiss_German
0.4162023 0.4395251
Celtic:CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany Celtic:ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR116
0.4814270 0.5458396
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_78 Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_119
0.5504571 0.6199968
Sorb Roman:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA:RMPR435b
0.6705675 0.7385029
Roman:DEU_Roman Paleo-Balkan:HRV_MBA
0.8309748 0.9293566
Paleo-Balkan:HRV_IA Roman:ITA_Boville_Ernica_IA:RMPR1021
0.9370006 1.0026830
Paleo-Balkan:BGR_IA
1.4036009
[1] "2. FULL TABLE nMONTE"
[1] "penalty= 0"
[1] "Ncycles= 1000"
[1] "distance%=1.8596"
cdg_scaled
Dutch,88.6
Celtic,11.4
[1] "2. FULL TABLE nMONTE"
[1] "penalty= 0.001"
[1] "Ncycles= 1000"
[1] "distance%=1.8775"
cdg_scaled
Dutch,94.8
Celtic,5.2
It seems that geography is a more important factor than culture when dealing with genetic similarities.
This thread has become full of neat codes to try
Target: Dick_dad_scaled
Distance: 2.7761% / 0.02776051
55.6 Sorb
31.6 Paleo-Balkan:BGR_IA
12.8 Dutch
Target: Dick_scaled
Distance: 2.7228% / 0.02722773
59.2 Sorb
32.4 Paleo-Balkan:BGR_IA
6.2 Paleo-Balkan:HRV_IA
2.2 Dutch
Target: Dick_dad_scaled
Distance: 2.3296% / 0.02329594
47.0 Slavic:Sorb
27.2 Roman:ITA_Rome_Imperial
15.4 Slavic:CZE_Early_Slav
9.8 Celtic:CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany
0.6 Paleo-Balkan:BGR_IA
Target: Dick_scaled
Distance: 2.1370% / 0.02137034
56.8 Slavic:Sorb
29.6 Roman:ITA_Rome_Imperial
6.6 Paleo-Balkan:HRV_IA
5.8 Slavic:CZE_Early_Slav
1.0 Celtic:CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany
0.2 Paleo-Balkan:BGR_IA
celticdragongod
11-17-2019, 03:18 AM
Attached table shows German samples sorted by % of Sorb in a 7-way mixture model:
Model used:
SOURCE:
Sorb, Swiss_German, Dutch, Alsace, Nord, Belgian, Germany_Medieval (averages)
TARGET:
German and German_East (individuals)
In Vahaduo: https://vahaduo.github.io/vahaduo/
SOURCE averages used:
Swiss_German,0.127624,0.1407779,0.0460088,0.022731 1,0.0406229,0.0073906,0.0027906,0.0051344,0.008640 9,0.0121641,-0.0015224,0.005264,-0.0149402,-0.008808,0.0083638,-0.0011269,-0.0025912,0.0012192,0.0053735,-0.0009222,0.0019341,0.0035086,-0.0025574,0.006974,-0.0025596
Dutch,0.1267527,0.1313048,0.0610935,0.0461486,0.04 0469,0.0166244,0.0065435,0.0080802,0.003576,0.0003 275,-0.0064447,0.0045873,-0.0087082,-0.0088422,0.0174443,0.005345,-0.0082143,0.0012669,0.0042698,0.0028138,0.0046909, 0.0028672,0.0002678,0.0153541,-0.0004921
French_Alsace,0.1273112,0.1403715,0.0503172,0.0224 324,0.0384224,0.0089105,0.0029199,0.0048748,0.0068 516,0.010679,-0.0031341,0.0045785,-0.0094438,-0.0041699,0.0085606,0.0030662,-0.0048927,0.0024387,0.003243,-0.000716,0.0027639,0.0011562,-0.0013219,0.0071364,-0.0003143
French_Nord,0.1282752,0.1405432,0.0513571,0.025605 1,0.0382728,0.0088906,0.0010967,0.0044194,0.008373 ,0.0120166,-0.003484,0.0040328,-0.0108613,-0.0081823,0.0111991,0.0025432,-0.0046069,0.0022266,0.0040947,0.0010308,0.0021327, 0.0015249,-0.0015724,0.0074707,1.45e-05
Belgian,0.1271867,0.1378863,0.0508694,0.0285197,0. 038879,0.0112177,0.0042389,0.0034529,0.0074159,0.0 110489,-0.0050521,0.0047014,-0.0127298,-0.0096131,0.0131448,0.0035701,-0.004404,0.00221,0.0022114,-0.0012784,0.0035491,0.0017494,-0.0014059,0.0102914,0.0011088
DEU_MA,0.1223596,0.1303939,0.061169,0.048773,0.039 792,0.0199408,0.010975,0.0052151,0.0013295,-0.0024966,-0.003735,0.001109,-0.0091576,-0.0038398,0.0161643,-0.0008352,-0.0133511,0.0032684,0.0041354,0.0040271,0.0060019, 0.0037342,-0.0007273,0.011146,-0.0004429
Sorb_Niederlausitz,0.130897,0.137096,0.068636,0.05 6848,0.050779,0.021196,0.011281,0.011076,-0.003477,-0.017312,-0.002111,-0.006744,0.013082,0.017891,-0.008415,0.001061,0.008475,-0.006208,0.007039,-0.004127,-0.003369,-0.007543,0.008011,-0.004458,0.001197
My Results:
[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
Dutch DEU_MA Belgian French_Nord
0.1919175 0.2427956 0.3548722 0.3819977
French_Alsace Swiss_German Sorb_Niederlausitz
0.4162023 0.4395251 0.6705675
[1] "2. FULL TABLE nMONTE"
[1] "penalty= 0"
[1] "Ncycles= 1000"
[1] "distance%=1.9192"
cdg_scaled
Dutch,100
[1] "2. FULL TABLE nMONTE"
[1] "penalty= 0.001"
[1] "Ncycles= 1000"
[1] "distance%=1.9192"
cdg_scaled
Dutch,100
Grace O'Malley
11-17-2019, 04:47 AM
Your results seem to indicate that the Celts of Britain and Ireland were not the same as the Celts of central Europe.
That's been obvious for a while. There are more ancient papers coming out so I think we will get the answer to this question i.e. How much Celtic ancestry in Ireland and Britain?
Grace O'Malley
11-17-2019, 04:55 AM
Using Peterski's sources as posted above in CD's post this is my mother's result
0.02331810 Dutch
0.02609427 DEU_MA
0.03801028 Belgian
0.04149965 French_Nord
0.04531866 French_Alsace
0.04768858 Swiss_German
0.07302231 Sorb_Niederlausitz
Target: _scaled
Distance: 2.3202% / 0.02320243
Aggregated
79.4 Dutch
19.0 DEU_MA
1.6 Belgian
This is mine
Distance to: Grace_scaled
0.02458960 Dutch
0.03048875 DEU_MA
0.04070340 Belgian
0.04383614 French_Nord
0.04759052 French_Alsace
0.05029695 Swiss_German
0.07027141 Sorb_Niederlausitz
Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 2.4899% / 0.02489880
Aggregated
88.8 Dutch
10.8 DEU_MA
0.2 French_Nord
0.2 Belgian
Using Vahaduo so no penalty.
Grace O'Malley
11-17-2019, 05:01 AM
Results with the Gaulish immigrant included.
Distance to: Grace_scaled
0.02458960 Dutch
0.04070340 Belgian
0.04383614 French_Nord
0.04739823 Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_2
0.04759052 French_Alsace
0.05029695 Swiss_German
0.05131057 Celtic:CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany
0.05288689 Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_78
0.05777832 Celtic:ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR116
0.06033807 Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_119
0.07027141 Sorb
0.07849833 Roman:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA:RMPR435b
0.08805745 Roman:DEU_Roman
0.09734115 Paleo-Balkan:HRV_MBA
0.10141706 Paleo-Balkan:HRV_IA
0.10546058 Roman:ITA_Boville_Ernica_IA:RMPR1021
0.14520140 Paleo-Balkan:BGR_IA
Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 2.4727% / 0.02472650
Aggregated
89.4 Dutch
10.6 Celtic
Distance to: Grace's Mum_scaled
0.02331810 Dutch
0.03801028 Belgian
0.04149965 French_Nord
0.04267113 Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_2
0.04531866 French_Alsace
0.04768858 Swiss_German
0.05157066 Celtic:CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany
0.05346702 Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_78
0.05730585 Celtic:ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR116
0.06082621 Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_119
0.07302231 Sorb
0.07624352 Roman:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA:RMPR435b
0.08596656 Roman:DEU_Roman
0.09616276 Paleo-Balkan:HRV_MBA
0.09823037 Paleo-Balkan:HRV_IA
0.10355520 Roman:ITA_Boville_Ernica_IA:RMPR1021
0.14328631 Paleo-Balkan:BGR_IA
Target: Grace's Mum_scaled
Distance: 2.2763% / 0.02276337
Aggregated
86.4 Dutch
13.0 Celtic
0.4 Belgian
0.2 French_Nord
Mother's results using this.
Germanic:DEU_MA,0.1223596,0.1303939,0.061169,0.048 773,0.039792,0.0199408,0.010975,0.0052151,0.001329 5,-0.0024966,-0.003735,0.001109,-0.0091576,-0.0038398,0.0161643,-0.0008352,-0.0133511,0.0032684,0.0041354,0.0040271,0.0060019, 0.0037342,-0.0007273,0.011146,-0.0004429
Germanic:SWE_IA,0.122929,0.123895,0.067127,0.05846 3,0.041238,0.02008,0.005875,0.007615,0.002863,-0.009659,0.003735,0.001948,-0.006987,0.003853,0.020358,-0.006762,-0.015385,0.006461,0.009427,0.00025,0.00025,0.00284 4,0.002465,0.011447,0.000359
Germanic:DNK_BA,0.1160995,0.1370965,0.0633565,0.05 24875,0.0296975,0.0301205,0.011163,-0.005192,-0.0072605,-0.003827,-0.002923,0.0089175,-0.004683,-0.0161015,0.0138435,0.0041765,0.00678,0.009565,0.0 152095,0.0046275,0.017906,-0.0087795,0.000801,0.002651,-0.0113765
Slavic:Sorb,0.130897,0.137096,0.068636,0.056848,0. 050779,0.021196,0.011281,0.011076,-0.003477,-0.017312,-0.002111,-0.006744,0.013082,0.017891,-0.008415,0.001061,0.008475,-0.006208,0.007039,-0.004127,-0.003369,-0.007543,0.008011,-0.004458,0.001197
Paleo-Balkan:HRV_IA,0.132035,0.151314,0.033941,-0.01615,0.024928,-0.005857,-0.006345,0.007154,0.003681,0.028976,0.001786,0.011 69,-0.02111,-0.001376,-0.005972,-0.008486,-0.006519,0.004941,0.005531,-0.014257,-0.001872,0.00507,0.001479,0.00253,0.003353
Roman:DEU_Roman,0.117238,0.151314,0.045254,0.00032 3,0.052317,0.001952,0.0047,-0.006,0.01943,0.028064,-0.002436,0.004946,-0.017393,-0.013212,-0.004614,0.00411,0.009388,0.006334,-0.000377,5e-04,0.000624,0.001484,-0.000616,-0.00735,-0.001796
Roman:ITA_Rome_Imperial,0.1027016,0.1489866,-0.0237507,-0.0575546,0.0043725,-0.0203241,-0.0013366,-0.0049469,0.0004219,0.019336,0.0032343,0.0023073,-0.0039209,-0.0015167,-0.008033,-0.0017982,0.003773,0.0005358,0.0013329,-0.0030926,-0.0024437,0.0018729,-0.0008961,-0.0004869,0.0005663
Roman:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA,0.125205,0.147252,0. 045254,0.005814,0.044931,0.005578,-0.00094,0.003461,0.023725,0.039363,-0.004547,0.008992,-0.021407,-0.014726,0.012893,-0.001989,-0.001043,0.006208,0.003017,-0.003252,0.004742,0.002844,-0.006286,-0.000241,-0.002036
Roman:ITA_Boville_Ernica_Latini_IA,0.126344,0.1533 45,0.035072,-0.014858,0.052317,-0.013387,-0.00094,0.003461,0.020452,0.04155,0.004222,0.01004 1,-0.013528,-0.008808,0.007465,-0.015646,-0.011995,-0.003041,0.004902,-0.012631,0.007861,0.006306,-0.007641,-0.001325,0.008023
Roman:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA,0.127482,0.148267,0.03469 5,-0.017442,0.043085,-0.005578,-0.002115,-0.003231,0.024952,0.051391,-0.001461,0.013488,-0.034043,-0.010184,-0.008415,0.011535,0.018515,-0.003674,0.005405,0.004377,0.003244,-0.001731,0.002588,-0.006266,-0.007544
Roman:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA,0.133173,0.156392,0.0441 23,-0.010336,0.046778,-0.004741,0.008225,0.004154,0.023725,0.044283,-0.004222,0.01109,-0.02215,-0.011147,-0.006243,-0.006099,0.002738,-0.000127,0.004902,-0.004252,-0.009109,0.004328,-0.003081,-0.009519,-0.002874
Celtic:CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany,0.12862,0.1376045,0.07 05215,0.034238,0.0481625,0.004044,0.0019975,0.0013 85,0.018509,0.019955,-0.012017,-0.0052455,-0.00944,0.0006195,0.0095685,-0.0013255,-0.005998,0.001774,0.0048395,0.0080665,0.001061,0.0 019785,-0.0006165,-0.005422,-0.0034725
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_78,0.132035,0.135065,0.04 6386,0.034238,0.036314,0.003626,0.002585,0.005769, 0.005318,0.010023,0.001299,0.011839,-0.016947,-0.015001,0.017236,0.015115,0.021513,0.005828,0.003 268,0.003252,0.006239,-0.002102,0.001109,-0.002651,-0.001676
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_119,0.121791,0.140143,0.0 5242,0.026486,0.040623,0.003068,0.001175,0.001154, 0.003477,0.017859,-0.001299,0.01124,-0.020961,-0.019818,0.01045,0.02201,0.01708,-0.0019,0.009679,0.002376,0.007986,0.003957,-0.005053,0.000964,0.008382
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_2,0.124067,0.140143,0.056 191,0.041021,0.042162,0.016455,-0.003055,0.002077,0.014112,0.018406,0.002273,0.006 744,-0.020218,-0.000413,0.011672,0.001591,-0.008996,-0.006334,0.013073,0.012631,0.006988,0.00371,0.0014 79,-0.005422,-0.00467
Celtic:ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR116,0.126344,0.140143 ,0.052797,0.019703,0.044624,0.001673,0.00282,0.008 307,0.018816,0.019681,-0.000487,0.005845,-0.013528,-0.010459,0.009365,0.003447,-0.000391,0,0.000628,-0.004752,0.002246,0.002597,-0.006286,-0.000964,0.00455
Celtic:DEU_Lech_MBA:OTTM_151ind2_d,0.127482,0.1563 92,0.047894,0.005491,0.04647,-0.011435,0.00329,0.011538,0.010022,0.031345,0.0064 96,0.012889,-0.012487,-0.01156,-0.0095,0.000796,0.001565,-0.003801,-0.005656,0.005753,-0.002995,0.009521,-0.001356,-0.006386,-0.011855
Target: Grace's Mum_scaled
Distance: 2.4419% / 0.02441944
Aggregated
78.6 Germanic
21.4 Celtic
Karol Klačansky
11-17-2019, 10:25 AM
Even with Scotland LBA added me and my father still get too much Germanic (DEU MA).
Try this instead, works well for my family
never really get too close of fits
Target: Karol_scaled
Distance: 2.5256% / 0.02525593
Aggregated
62.6 Slavic
19.2 Celtic
18.2 Germanic
Grace O'Malley
11-17-2019, 10:36 AM
Even with Scotland LBA added me and my father still get too much Germanic (DEU MA).
Try this instead, works well for my family
Germanic:Norwegian,0.1338234,0.1279567,0.0679357,0 .0534334,0.0386443,0.0210366,0.0041964,0.0062964,0 .0057267,0.0003906,-0.0037349,0.0036823,-0.007518,-0.011698,0.0210754,0.0093949,-0.0054203,0.0026061,0.0006823,0.0007503,0.005633,0 .0055643,0.0042784,0.0177304,0.0010947
Slavic:Sorb,0.130897,0.137096,0.068636,0.056848,0. 050779,0.021196,0.011281,0.011076,-0.003477,-0.017312,-0.002111,-0.006744,0.013082,0.017891,-0.008415,0.001061,0.008475,-0.006208,0.007039,-0.004127,-0.003369,-0.007543,0.008011,-0.004458,0.001197
Slavic:CZE_Early_Slav,0.12862,0.129988,0.068259,0. 046835,0.02739,0.013387,0.007285,0.014076,-0.001841,-0.018406,-0.000812,-0.004346,0.003717,0.007156,-0.010993,-0.003182,0.011604,-0.002027,-0.002388,-0.004752,0.005615,0.000618,0.001725,-0.000964,-0.006706
Paleo-Balkan:HRV_IA,0.132035,0.151314,0.033941,-0.01615,0.024928,-0.005857,-0.006345,0.007154,0.003681,0.028976,0.001786,0.011 69,-0.02111,-0.001376,-0.005972,-0.008486,-0.006519,0.004941,0.005531,-0.014257,-0.001872,0.00507,0.001479,0.00253,0.003353
Paleo-Balkan:BGR_IA,0.126344,0.157407,0.007165,-0.051034,0.029852,-0.02259,0.00423,-0.001385,0.007772,0.032074,-0.001461,0.005695,-0.013974,-0.003028,-0.015065,-0.001458,0.01369,0.006968,0.006285,-0.014757,-0.006239,0.004699,-0.007888,0.003494,-0.008861
Roman:DEU_Roman,0.117238,0.151314,0.045254,0.00032 3,0.052317,0.001952,0.0047,-0.006,0.01943,0.028064,-0.002436,0.004946,-0.017393,-0.013212,-0.004614,0.00411,0.009388,0.006334,-0.000377,5e-04,0.000624,0.001484,-0.000616,-0.00735,-0.001796
Roman:ITA_Rome_Imperial,0.1027016,0.1489866,-0.0237507,-0.0575546,0.0043725,-0.0203241,-0.0013366,-0.0049469,0.0004219,0.019336,0.0032343,0.0023073,-0.0039209,-0.0015167,-0.008033,-0.0017982,0.003773,0.0005358,0.0013329,-0.0030926,-0.0024437,0.0018729,-0.0008961,-0.0004869,0.0005663
Roman:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA,0.125205,0.147252,0. 045254,0.005814,0.044931,0.005578,-0.00094,0.003461,0.023725,0.039363,-0.004547,0.008992,-0.021407,-0.014726,0.012893,-0.001989,-0.001043,0.006208,0.003017,-0.003252,0.004742,0.002844,-0.006286,-0.000241,-0.002036
Roman:ITA_Boville_Ernica_Latini_IA,0.126344,0.1533 45,0.035072,-0.014858,0.052317,-0.013387,-0.00094,0.003461,0.020452,0.04155,0.004222,0.01004 1,-0.013528,-0.008808,0.007465,-0.015646,-0.011995,-0.003041,0.004902,-0.012631,0.007861,0.006306,-0.007641,-0.001325,0.008023
Roman:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA,0.127482,0.148267,0.03469 5,-0.017442,0.043085,-0.005578,-0.002115,-0.003231,0.024952,0.051391,-0.001461,0.013488,-0.034043,-0.010184,-0.008415,0.011535,0.018515,-0.003674,0.005405,0.004377,0.003244,-0.001731,0.002588,-0.006266,-0.007544
Roman:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA,0.133173,0.156392,0.0441 23,-0.010336,0.046778,-0.004741,0.008225,0.004154,0.023725,0.044283,-0.004222,0.01109,-0.02215,-0.011147,-0.006243,-0.006099,0.002738,-0.000127,0.004902,-0.004252,-0.009109,0.004328,-0.003081,-0.009519,-0.002874
Celtic:CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany,0.12862,0.1376045,0.07 05215,0.034238,0.0481625,0.004044,0.0019975,0.0013 85,0.018509,0.019955,-0.012017,-0.0052455,-0.00944,0.0006195,0.0095685,-0.0013255,-0.005998,0.001774,0.0048395,0.0080665,0.001061,0.0 019785,-0.0006165,-0.005422,-0.0034725
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_78,0.132035,0.135065,0.04 6386,0.034238,0.036314,0.003626,0.002585,0.005769, 0.005318,0.010023,0.001299,0.011839,-0.016947,-0.015001,0.017236,0.015115,0.021513,0.005828,0.003 268,0.003252,0.006239,-0.002102,0.001109,-0.002651,-0.001676
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_119,0.121791,0.140143,0.0 5242,0.026486,0.040623,0.003068,0.001175,0.001154, 0.003477,0.017859,-0.001299,0.01124,-0.020961,-0.019818,0.01045,0.02201,0.01708,-0.0019,0.009679,0.002376,0.007986,0.003957,-0.005053,0.000964,0.008382
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_2,0.124067,0.140143,0.056 191,0.041021,0.042162,0.016455,-0.003055,0.002077,0.014112,0.018406,0.002273,0.006 744,-0.020218,-0.000413,0.011672,0.001591,-0.008996,-0.006334,0.013073,0.012631,0.006988,0.00371,0.0014 79,-0.005422,-0.00467
BritishBA:Scotland_LBA,0.1297585,0.133542,0.063073 2,0.0527298,0.0351605,0.0193132,0.0061102,0.003057 5,0.001892,-0.0027338,-0.0060082,0.0064818,-0.0180252,-0.0164115,0.024226,0.0058672,-0.0143422,0.0036108,0.0032995,0.0005313,0.0056462, 0.0044822,-0.0003393,0.0042172,0.0041315
Target: CreodaDad_scaled
Distance: 2.5823% / 0.02582262
Aggregated
70.8 BritishBA
16.6 Germanic
6.2 Celtic
5.4 Slavic
1.0 Roman
Target: CreodaMum_scaled
Distance: 1.2911% / 0.01291106
Aggregated
40.8 Germanic
27.0 BritishBA
22.2 Celtic
10.0 Slavic
Target: Creoda_scaled
Distance: 1.9344% / 0.01934409
Aggregated
71.4 BritishBA
20.0 Germanic
5.4 Celtic
3.0 Roman
0.2 Paleo-Balkan
This is what I get with your data.
Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 1.9775% / 0.01977481
Aggregated
47.8 Germanic
44.4 BritishBA
7.8 Celtic
Target: Grace's mother_scaled
Distance: 1.6850% / 0.01685031
Aggregated
56.8 BritishBA
30.0 Germanic
12.4 Celtic
0.8 Roman
J. Ketch
11-17-2019, 11:29 AM
This is what I get with your data.
Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 1.9775% / 0.01977481
Aggregated
47.8 Germanic
44.4 BritishBA
7.8 Celtic
Target: Grace's mother_scaled
Distance: 1.6850% / 0.01685031
Aggregated
56.8 BritishBA
30.0 Germanic
12.4 Celtic
0.8 Roman
There's no way to make you mostly Insular Celtic in G25 ;) Maybe the estimates of Norse admixture in Ireland are completely wrong, it's similar for my dad.
This is my best effort so far, using only the fully Nordic Anglo-Saxon samples and the non-mixed Britons.
InsularCeltic:England_Roman:6DT23,0.126344,0.14115 9,0.060339,0.046512,0.036622,0.009482,0.005405,0.0 08077,0.00225,0.001458,-0.008607,0.006744,-0.016055,-0.007019,0.030944,-0.003845,-0.018906,0.004181,-0.003268,0.012506,0.004492,-0.004081,-0.010476,0.008917,-0.001916
InsularCeltic:England_Roman:6DT22,0.125205,0.14014 3,0.061094,0.045866,0.038776,0.014223,0.004935,0.0 05077,0.003068,0.000729,-0.004872,0.001349,-0.01115,-0.016928,0.016015,0.000796,0.000652,0.003927,0.006 159,0,0.003993,0.005441,-0.011462,-0.00012,-0.000359
InsularCeltic:England_Roman:6DT18,0.125205,0.14217 4,0.058454,0.050388,0.046162,0.021196,0.0047,0.008 538,-0.000818,0.005103,0.000487,0.012589,-0.017393,-0.020368,0.023887,0.006762,-0.005346,-0.003041,0.012444,0.001,0.007986,0.000866,-0.00419,0.013857,-0.003353
InsularCeltic:England_IA:I0156,0.132035,0.138112,0 .057699,0.053295,0.038776,0.017291,0.001645,0.003, 0.007976,0.00328,-0.00682,0.005845,-0.015609,-0.017478,0.025108,0.011403,0.001434,-0.005194,-0.000754,0.006503,0.00836,-0.005812,-0.004437,0.013496,-0.005029
InsularCeltic:England_IA:I0160,0.129758,0.136081,0 .059585,0.050388,0.03416,0.023427,0.002585,0.00923 ,0.002045,0.003827,-0.007632,0.009741,-0.016204,-0.018992,0.019951,-0.006099,-0.015776,0.008995,0.007542,0.003126,0.004243,0.001 607,0.006409,0.012411,-0.000479
InsularCeltic:England_IA:M1489,0.12862,0.123895,0. 060339,0.040375,0.027697,0.023148,0.005405,0.00323 1,0.001227,0.010752,0.005684,0.007343,-0.010406,-0.016928,0.020222,0.014054,0.01017,-0.004561,0.00352,-0.001626,0.001622,0.003586,-0.001972,0.00964,-0.000479
InsularCeltic:Scotland_LBA:I3130,0.127482,0.132019 ,0.062225,0.055556,0.026159,0.015339,0.011516,0.00 4846,0.004704,-0.004374,-0.006171,0.005845,-0.017096,-0.022295,0.03013,0.001458,-0.028293,0,0.008673,0.001,0.007861,0.004822,-0.001849,0.003856,0.003832
Germanic:England_Saxon:I0769,0.129758,0.132019,0.0 70899,0.059432,0.044624,0.025937,0.00282,0.005538, 0,-0.006743,-0.006171,0.004796,-0.012785,-0.012386,0.028366,0.0179,0.00691,-0.003674,0.006159,0.008004,0.008235,0.005193,0.000 37,0.019521,0.002036
Germanic:England_Saxon:NO3423,0.129758,0.13405,0.0 68259,0.062339,0.0397,0.017012,0.004465,0.002077,0 .001227,-0.007107,-0.007795,0.001499,-0.010852,-0.010459,0.027823,0.005569,-0.014212,0.004561,-0.000126,0.005002,0.009982,0.002473,0.002465,0.015 183,0.001916
Germanic:England_Saxon:I0773,0.141141,0.126941,0.0 63356,0.071383,0.044008,0.024263,0.00799,0.011307, 0.00409,-0.00656,-0.005359,0.005395,-0.01219,-0.013074,0.021172,0.011668,-0.001434,0.000887,0.008673,0.008629,0.010981,0.003 957,-0.003081,0.015544,-0.007424
Slavic:Sorb,0.130897,0.137096,0.068636,0.056848,0. 050779,0.021196,0.011281,0.011076,-0.003477,-0.017312,-0.002111,-0.006744,0.013082,0.017891,-0.008415,0.001061,0.008475,-0.006208,0.007039,-0.004127,-0.003369,-0.007543,0.008011,-0.004458,0.001197
Slavic:CZE_Early_Slav,0.12862,0.129988,0.068259,0. 046835,0.02739,0.013387,0.007285,0.014076,-0.001841,-0.018406,-0.000812,-0.004346,0.003717,0.007156,-0.010993,-0.003182,0.011604,-0.002027,-0.002388,-0.004752,0.005615,0.000618,0.001725,-0.000964,-0.006706
Paleo-Balkan:HRV_IA,0.132035,0.151314,0.033941,-0.01615,0.024928,-0.005857,-0.006345,0.007154,0.003681,0.028976,0.001786,0.011 69,-0.02111,-0.001376,-0.005972,-0.008486,-0.006519,0.004941,0.005531,-0.014257,-0.001872,0.00507,0.001479,0.00253,0.003353
Paleo-Balkan:BGR_IA,0.126344,0.157407,0.007165,-0.051034,0.029852,-0.02259,0.00423,-0.001385,0.007772,0.032074,-0.001461,0.005695,-0.013974,-0.003028,-0.015065,-0.001458,0.01369,0.006968,0.006285,-0.014757,-0.006239,0.004699,-0.007888,0.003494,-0.008861
Roman:DEU_Roman,0.117238,0.151314,0.045254,0.00032 3,0.052317,0.001952,0.0047,-0.006,0.01943,0.028064,-0.002436,0.004946,-0.017393,-0.013212,-0.004614,0.00411,0.009388,0.006334,-0.000377,5e-04,0.000624,0.001484,-0.000616,-0.00735,-0.001796
Roman:ITA_Rome_Imperial,0.1027016,0.1489866,-0.0237507,-0.0575546,0.0043725,-0.0203241,-0.0013366,-0.0049469,0.0004219,0.019336,0.0032343,0.0023073,-0.0039209,-0.0015167,-0.008033,-0.0017982,0.003773,0.0005358,0.0013329,-0.0030926,-0.0024437,0.0018729,-0.0008961,-0.0004869,0.0005663
Roman:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA,0.125205,0.147252,0. 045254,0.005814,0.044931,0.005578,-0.00094,0.003461,0.023725,0.039363,-0.004547,0.008992,-0.021407,-0.014726,0.012893,-0.001989,-0.001043,0.006208,0.003017,-0.003252,0.004742,0.002844,-0.006286,-0.000241,-0.002036
Roman:ITA_Boville_Ernica_Latini_IA,0.126344,0.1533 45,0.035072,-0.014858,0.052317,-0.013387,-0.00094,0.003461,0.020452,0.04155,0.004222,0.01004 1,-0.013528,-0.008808,0.007465,-0.015646,-0.011995,-0.003041,0.004902,-0.012631,0.007861,0.006306,-0.007641,-0.001325,0.008023
Roman:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA,0.127482,0.148267,0.03469 5,-0.017442,0.043085,-0.005578,-0.002115,-0.003231,0.024952,0.051391,-0.001461,0.013488,-0.034043,-0.010184,-0.008415,0.011535,0.018515,-0.003674,0.005405,0.004377,0.003244,-0.001731,0.002588,-0.006266,-0.007544
Roman:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA,0.133173,0.156392,0.0441 23,-0.010336,0.046778,-0.004741,0.008225,0.004154,0.023725,0.044283,-0.004222,0.01109,-0.02215,-0.011147,-0.006243,-0.006099,0.002738,-0.000127,0.004902,-0.004252,-0.009109,0.004328,-0.003081,-0.009519,-0.002874
Celtic:CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany,0.12862,0.1376045,0.07 05215,0.034238,0.0481625,0.004044,0.0019975,0.0013 85,0.018509,0.019955,-0.012017,-0.0052455,-0.00944,0.0006195,0.0095685,-0.0013255,-0.005998,0.001774,0.0048395,0.0080665,0.001061,0.0 019785,-0.0006165,-0.005422,-0.0034725
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_78,0.132035,0.135065,0.04 6386,0.034238,0.036314,0.003626,0.002585,0.005769, 0.005318,0.010023,0.001299,0.011839,-0.016947,-0.015001,0.017236,0.015115,0.021513,0.005828,0.003 268,0.003252,0.006239,-0.002102,0.001109,-0.002651,-0.001676
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_119,0.121791,0.140143,0.0 5242,0.026486,0.040623,0.003068,0.001175,0.001154, 0.003477,0.017859,-0.001299,0.01124,-0.020961,-0.019818,0.01045,0.02201,0.01708,-0.0019,0.009679,0.002376,0.007986,0.003957,-0.005053,0.000964,0.008382
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_2,0.124067,0.140143,0.056 191,0.041021,0.042162,0.016455,-0.003055,0.002077,0.014112,0.018406,0.002273,0.006 744,-0.020218,-0.000413,0.011672,0.001591,-0.008996,-0.006334,0.013073,0.012631,0.006988,0.00371,0.0014 79,-0.005422,-0.00467
Target: CreodaDad_scaled
Distance: 2.1101% / 0.02110067
Aggregated
59.6 InsularCeltic
30.8 Germanic
7.8 Slavic
1.8 Roman
Target: CreodaMum_scaled
Distance: 1.0232% / 0.01023215
Aggregated
45.0 Germanic
32.6 InsularCeltic
8.0 Celtic
7.0 Slavic
6.0 Paleo-Balkan
1.4 Roman
Target: Creoda_scaled
Distance: 1.5900% / 0.01590005
Aggregated
60.2 InsularCeltic
30.2 Germanic
4.6 Celtic
4.0 Roman
1.0 Slavic
J. Ketch
11-17-2019, 11:36 AM
Why is the Slovakia Poprad sample Germanic?
Target: Dick_dad_scaled
Distance: 2.3455% / 0.02345518
55.8 Slavic:Sorb
28.4 Roman:ITA_Rome_Imperial
9.0 Germanic:SVK_Poprad_MA
6.8 Celtic:CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany
Target: Dick_scaled
Distance: 2.1451% / 0.02145098
61.4 Slavic:Sorb
30.0 Roman:ITA_Rome_Imperial
7.2 Paleo-Balkan:HRV_IA
1.0 Celtic:CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany
0.4 Germanic:Norwegian
Check where it plots in a PCA. It's not pure Germanic though I guess, but the neither are the Collegno or Szolad Longobards that people use as a proxy for Germanic.
Grace O'Malley
11-17-2019, 11:36 AM
There's no way to make you mostly Insular Celtic in G25 ;) Maybe the estimates of Norse admixture in Ireland are completely wrong, it's similar for my dad.
This is my best effort so far, using only the fully Nordic Anglo-Saxon samples and the non-mixed Britons.
InsularCeltic:England_Roman:6DT23,0.126344,0.14115 9,0.060339,0.046512,0.036622,0.009482,0.005405,0.0 08077,0.00225,0.001458,-0.008607,0.006744,-0.016055,-0.007019,0.030944,-0.003845,-0.018906,0.004181,-0.003268,0.012506,0.004492,-0.004081,-0.010476,0.008917,-0.001916
InsularCeltic:England_Roman:6DT22,0.125205,0.14014 3,0.061094,0.045866,0.038776,0.014223,0.004935,0.0 05077,0.003068,0.000729,-0.004872,0.001349,-0.01115,-0.016928,0.016015,0.000796,0.000652,0.003927,0.006 159,0,0.003993,0.005441,-0.011462,-0.00012,-0.000359
InsularCeltic:England_Roman:6DT18,0.125205,0.14217 4,0.058454,0.050388,0.046162,0.021196,0.0047,0.008 538,-0.000818,0.005103,0.000487,0.012589,-0.017393,-0.020368,0.023887,0.006762,-0.005346,-0.003041,0.012444,0.001,0.007986,0.000866,-0.00419,0.013857,-0.003353
InsularCeltic:England_IA:I0156,0.132035,0.138112,0 .057699,0.053295,0.038776,0.017291,0.001645,0.003, 0.007976,0.00328,-0.00682,0.005845,-0.015609,-0.017478,0.025108,0.011403,0.001434,-0.005194,-0.000754,0.006503,0.00836,-0.005812,-0.004437,0.013496,-0.005029
InsularCeltic:England_IA:I0160,0.129758,0.136081,0 .059585,0.050388,0.03416,0.023427,0.002585,0.00923 ,0.002045,0.003827,-0.007632,0.009741,-0.016204,-0.018992,0.019951,-0.006099,-0.015776,0.008995,0.007542,0.003126,0.004243,0.001 607,0.006409,0.012411,-0.000479
InsularCeltic:England_IA:M1489,0.12862,0.123895,0. 060339,0.040375,0.027697,0.023148,0.005405,0.00323 1,0.001227,0.010752,0.005684,0.007343,-0.010406,-0.016928,0.020222,0.014054,0.01017,-0.004561,0.00352,-0.001626,0.001622,0.003586,-0.001972,0.00964,-0.000479
InsularCeltic:Scotland_LBA:I3130,0.127482,0.132019 ,0.062225,0.055556,0.026159,0.015339,0.011516,0.00 4846,0.004704,-0.004374,-0.006171,0.005845,-0.017096,-0.022295,0.03013,0.001458,-0.028293,0,0.008673,0.001,0.007861,0.004822,-0.001849,0.003856,0.003832
Germanic:England_Saxon:I0769,0.129758,0.132019,0.0 70899,0.059432,0.044624,0.025937,0.00282,0.005538, 0,-0.006743,-0.006171,0.004796,-0.012785,-0.012386,0.028366,0.0179,0.00691,-0.003674,0.006159,0.008004,0.008235,0.005193,0.000 37,0.019521,0.002036
Germanic:England_Saxon:NO3423,0.129758,0.13405,0.0 68259,0.062339,0.0397,0.017012,0.004465,0.002077,0 .001227,-0.007107,-0.007795,0.001499,-0.010852,-0.010459,0.027823,0.005569,-0.014212,0.004561,-0.000126,0.005002,0.009982,0.002473,0.002465,0.015 183,0.001916
Germanic:England_Saxon:I0773,0.141141,0.126941,0.0 63356,0.071383,0.044008,0.024263,0.00799,0.011307, 0.00409,-0.00656,-0.005359,0.005395,-0.01219,-0.013074,0.021172,0.011668,-0.001434,0.000887,0.008673,0.008629,0.010981,0.003 957,-0.003081,0.015544,-0.007424
Slavic:Sorb,0.130897,0.137096,0.068636,0.056848,0. 050779,0.021196,0.011281,0.011076,-0.003477,-0.017312,-0.002111,-0.006744,0.013082,0.017891,-0.008415,0.001061,0.008475,-0.006208,0.007039,-0.004127,-0.003369,-0.007543,0.008011,-0.004458,0.001197
Slavic:CZE_Early_Slav,0.12862,0.129988,0.068259,0. 046835,0.02739,0.013387,0.007285,0.014076,-0.001841,-0.018406,-0.000812,-0.004346,0.003717,0.007156,-0.010993,-0.003182,0.011604,-0.002027,-0.002388,-0.004752,0.005615,0.000618,0.001725,-0.000964,-0.006706
Paleo-Balkan:HRV_IA,0.132035,0.151314,0.033941,-0.01615,0.024928,-0.005857,-0.006345,0.007154,0.003681,0.028976,0.001786,0.011 69,-0.02111,-0.001376,-0.005972,-0.008486,-0.006519,0.004941,0.005531,-0.014257,-0.001872,0.00507,0.001479,0.00253,0.003353
Paleo-Balkan:BGR_IA,0.126344,0.157407,0.007165,-0.051034,0.029852,-0.02259,0.00423,-0.001385,0.007772,0.032074,-0.001461,0.005695,-0.013974,-0.003028,-0.015065,-0.001458,0.01369,0.006968,0.006285,-0.014757,-0.006239,0.004699,-0.007888,0.003494,-0.008861
Roman:DEU_Roman,0.117238,0.151314,0.045254,0.00032 3,0.052317,0.001952,0.0047,-0.006,0.01943,0.028064,-0.002436,0.004946,-0.017393,-0.013212,-0.004614,0.00411,0.009388,0.006334,-0.000377,5e-04,0.000624,0.001484,-0.000616,-0.00735,-0.001796
Roman:ITA_Rome_Imperial,0.1027016,0.1489866,-0.0237507,-0.0575546,0.0043725,-0.0203241,-0.0013366,-0.0049469,0.0004219,0.019336,0.0032343,0.0023073,-0.0039209,-0.0015167,-0.008033,-0.0017982,0.003773,0.0005358,0.0013329,-0.0030926,-0.0024437,0.0018729,-0.0008961,-0.0004869,0.0005663
Roman:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA,0.125205,0.147252,0. 045254,0.005814,0.044931,0.005578,-0.00094,0.003461,0.023725,0.039363,-0.004547,0.008992,-0.021407,-0.014726,0.012893,-0.001989,-0.001043,0.006208,0.003017,-0.003252,0.004742,0.002844,-0.006286,-0.000241,-0.002036
Roman:ITA_Boville_Ernica_Latini_IA,0.126344,0.1533 45,0.035072,-0.014858,0.052317,-0.013387,-0.00094,0.003461,0.020452,0.04155,0.004222,0.01004 1,-0.013528,-0.008808,0.007465,-0.015646,-0.011995,-0.003041,0.004902,-0.012631,0.007861,0.006306,-0.007641,-0.001325,0.008023
Roman:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA,0.127482,0.148267,0.03469 5,-0.017442,0.043085,-0.005578,-0.002115,-0.003231,0.024952,0.051391,-0.001461,0.013488,-0.034043,-0.010184,-0.008415,0.011535,0.018515,-0.003674,0.005405,0.004377,0.003244,-0.001731,0.002588,-0.006266,-0.007544
Roman:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA,0.133173,0.156392,0.0441 23,-0.010336,0.046778,-0.004741,0.008225,0.004154,0.023725,0.044283,-0.004222,0.01109,-0.02215,-0.011147,-0.006243,-0.006099,0.002738,-0.000127,0.004902,-0.004252,-0.009109,0.004328,-0.003081,-0.009519,-0.002874
Celtic:CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany,0.12862,0.1376045,0.07 05215,0.034238,0.0481625,0.004044,0.0019975,0.0013 85,0.018509,0.019955,-0.012017,-0.0052455,-0.00944,0.0006195,0.0095685,-0.0013255,-0.005998,0.001774,0.0048395,0.0080665,0.001061,0.0 019785,-0.0006165,-0.005422,-0.0034725
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_78,0.132035,0.135065,0.04 6386,0.034238,0.036314,0.003626,0.002585,0.005769, 0.005318,0.010023,0.001299,0.011839,-0.016947,-0.015001,0.017236,0.015115,0.021513,0.005828,0.003 268,0.003252,0.006239,-0.002102,0.001109,-0.002651,-0.001676
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_119,0.121791,0.140143,0.0 5242,0.026486,0.040623,0.003068,0.001175,0.001154, 0.003477,0.017859,-0.001299,0.01124,-0.020961,-0.019818,0.01045,0.02201,0.01708,-0.0019,0.009679,0.002376,0.007986,0.003957,-0.005053,0.000964,0.008382
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_2,0.124067,0.140143,0.056 191,0.041021,0.042162,0.016455,-0.003055,0.002077,0.014112,0.018406,0.002273,0.006 744,-0.020218,-0.000413,0.011672,0.001591,-0.008996,-0.006334,0.013073,0.012631,0.006988,0.00371,0.0014 79,-0.005422,-0.00467
Target: CreodaDad_scaled
Distance: 2.1101% / 0.02110067
Aggregated
59.6 InsularCeltic
30.8 Germanic
7.8 Slavic
1.8 Roman
Target: CreodaMum_scaled
Distance: 1.0232% / 0.01023215
Aggregated
45.0 Germanic
32.6 InsularCeltic
8.0 Celtic
7.0 Slavic
6.0 Paleo-Balkan
1.4 Roman
Target: Creoda_scaled
Distance: 1.5900% / 0.01590005
Aggregated
60.2 InsularCeltic
30.2 Germanic
4.6 Celtic
4.0 Roman
1.0 Slavic
Here's my results using these samples.
Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 1.4384% / 0.01438450
Aggregated
46.8 Germanic
45.8 InsularCeltic
3.4 Celtic
2.4 Paleo-Balkan
1.0 Slavic
0.6 Roman
This is my mother.
Target: Grace's mother_scaled
Distance: 1.3798% / 0.01379763
Aggregated
43.6 InsularCeltic
43.2 Germanic
10.0 Celtic
3.2 Roman
I unfortunately don't have my father's results to compare to because he is deceased.
Karol Klačansky
11-17-2019, 01:13 PM
just playing with G25
Slavic:Belarusian,0.1322625,0.1236239,0.0750219,0. 0695957,0.0402331,0.0265691,0.0107321,0.0133226,-0.0002727,-0.0246017,-0.0026957,-0.0092119,0.0193259,0.0272309,-0.0112647,-0.0038009,-0.0009647,0.0003717,0.0041397,-0.0010504,-0.0042342,-0.0046081,0.0077235,-0.0068601,0.0006946
Slavic:Ukrainian,0.1309273,0.1240867,0.0683506,0.0 575551,0.0376867,0.0212936,0.0087651,0.0113072,-0.002891,-0.0210999,-0.0016327,-0.0076594,0.0153563,0.0216328,-0.0112354,-0.0010965,0.0046903,-0.0006985,0.0025989,0.0017002,-0.0044989,-0.003479,0.0067387,-0.0040578,0.0007217
Slavic:Polish,0.1318405,0.1292694,0.0698685,0.0577 382,0.0406754,0.0217127,0.0086781,0.0108626,-0.0009329,-0.0185524,-0.0043488,-0.0064187,0.013093,0.0186295,-0.0070244,-0.0005595,0.0015455,-7.41e-05,0.0026948,0.0012872,-0.0031286,-0.0031185,0.0056063,-0.0033328,-8.76e-05
Germanic:Swedish,0.1340007,0.1283722,0.0715329,0.0 557909,0.0414202,0.0213225,0.006847,0.0089682,0.00 46947,-0.0067261,-0.004451,0.001635,-0.0048315,-0.0036907,0.0150773,0.0039838,-0.0074379,0.002004,0.003851,0.0046385,0.0064205,0. 0021357,0.0009244,0.0106969,-0.0002994
Germanic:Norwegian,0.1338234,0.1279567,0.0679357,0 .0534334,0.0386443,0.0210366,0.0041964,0.0062964,0 .0057267,0.0003906,-0.0037349,0.0036823,-0.007518,-0.011698,0.0210754,0.0093949,-0.0054203,0.0026061,0.0006823,0.0007503,0.005633,0 .0055643,0.0042784,0.0177304,0.0010947
British_Isles:English,0.1318551,0.137043,0.0617883 ,0.044013,0.0392299,0.0167481,0.0049845,0.0057448, 0.0052637,0.0056781,-0.0047691,0.0056161,-0.0125892,-0.0103507,0.0206153,0.0035521,-0.0103689,0.004094,0.003685,0.0029619,0.0059369,0. 0034036,-0.0032693,0.0137938,3.16e-05
British_Isles:Scottish,0.1314657,0.1342312,0.06226 54,0.0470426,0.039106,0.0172812,0.0035502,0.005175 6,0.0035719,0.0028246,-0.005614,0.0050473,-0.0116806,-0.0119731,0.023024,0.0031254,-0.0112549,0.0027736,0.0025499,0.0014516,0.0042246, 0.0033076,-0.0006559,0.0135561,-0.0007698
British_Isles:Irish,0.1334042,0.134875,0.0610876,0 .0482532,0.0383388,0.0188992,0.003,0.0047738,0.003 1318,0.002725,-0.00714,0.005606,-0.0143759,-0.0139278,0.0253478,0.0048208,-0.0110725,0.0022052,0.0007502,0.0013385,0.0051745, 0.0012249,-0.0003563,0.0147667,0.0010665
South_Euro:Spanish_La_Rioja,0.121791,0.152329,0.04 6763,-0.008398,0.053856,-0.010598,-0.00188,0.002308,0.027611,0.038816,-0.005359,0.005695,-0.016947,-0.014863,0.00665,0.013657,0.010561,-0.002407,-0.000628,5e-04,0.012977,0.002349,-0.002218,-0.009399,0.000838
South_Euro:Italian_Lazio,0.1146768,0.1525832,0.006 694,-0.0350455,0.0213115,-0.0115738,0.0024675,0.000519,0.0068512,0.0234627,0 .001299,0.0028475,-0.007656,-0.0070875,-0.0068538,0.0041432,-0.000228,-0.0005068,0.0018225,-0.005065,-0.002745,0.0033695,-0.0003697,-0.0003613,-0.000479
South_Euro:Greek,0.1188166,0.1432553,0.0110825,-0.0218181,0.0199441,-0.0057308,0.0018876,-0.0005657,0.0003365,0.0140615,0.0013253,0.0026783,-0.0031122,0.0055359,-0.0157304,0.0001284,0.0108639,-0.0001881,0.0054942,-0.0034169,-0.0075352,0.0016673,0.0023219,0.0006219,-0.0020898
Distance to: Karol_scaled
0.03867009 Slavic:Polish
0.04041298 Germanic:Swedish
0.04230724 Slavic:Ukrainian
0.04733057 Germanic:Norwegian
0.05381667 British_Isles:English
0.05428690 Slavic:Belarusian
0.05439831 British_Isles:Scottish
0.05742777 British_Isles:Irish
0.10052853 South_Euro:Spanish_La_Rioja
0.10972548 South_Euro:Greek
0.12705968 South_Euro:Italian_Lazio
Target: Karol_scaled
Distance: 2.7465% / 0.02746463
Aggregated
57.2 Slavic
29.6 Germanic
13.2 South_Euro
what does everyone else get with these pops as source?
Luke35
11-17-2019, 01:29 PM
just playing with G25
Slavic:Belarusian,0.1322625,0.1236239,0.0750219,0. 0695957,0.0402331,0.0265691,0.0107321,0.0133226,-0.0002727,-0.0246017,-0.0026957,-0.0092119,0.0193259,0.0272309,-0.0112647,-0.0038009,-0.0009647,0.0003717,0.0041397,-0.0010504,-0.0042342,-0.0046081,0.0077235,-0.0068601,0.0006946
Slavic:Ukrainian,0.1309273,0.1240867,0.0683506,0.0 575551,0.0376867,0.0212936,0.0087651,0.0113072,-0.002891,-0.0210999,-0.0016327,-0.0076594,0.0153563,0.0216328,-0.0112354,-0.0010965,0.0046903,-0.0006985,0.0025989,0.0017002,-0.0044989,-0.003479,0.0067387,-0.0040578,0.0007217
Slavic:Polish,0.1318405,0.1292694,0.0698685,0.0577 382,0.0406754,0.0217127,0.0086781,0.0108626,-0.0009329,-0.0185524,-0.0043488,-0.0064187,0.013093,0.0186295,-0.0070244,-0.0005595,0.0015455,-7.41e-05,0.0026948,0.0012872,-0.0031286,-0.0031185,0.0056063,-0.0033328,-8.76e-05
Germanic:Swedish,0.1340007,0.1283722,0.0715329,0.0 557909,0.0414202,0.0213225,0.006847,0.0089682,0.00 46947,-0.0067261,-0.004451,0.001635,-0.0048315,-0.0036907,0.0150773,0.0039838,-0.0074379,0.002004,0.003851,0.0046385,0.0064205,0. 0021357,0.0009244,0.0106969,-0.0002994
Germanic:Norwegian,0.1338234,0.1279567,0.0679357,0 .0534334,0.0386443,0.0210366,0.0041964,0.0062964,0 .0057267,0.0003906,-0.0037349,0.0036823,-0.007518,-0.011698,0.0210754,0.0093949,-0.0054203,0.0026061,0.0006823,0.0007503,0.005633,0 .0055643,0.0042784,0.0177304,0.0010947
British_Isles:English,0.1318551,0.137043,0.0617883 ,0.044013,0.0392299,0.0167481,0.0049845,0.0057448, 0.0052637,0.0056781,-0.0047691,0.0056161,-0.0125892,-0.0103507,0.0206153,0.0035521,-0.0103689,0.004094,0.003685,0.0029619,0.0059369,0. 0034036,-0.0032693,0.0137938,3.16e-05
British_Isles:Scottish,0.1314657,0.1342312,0.06226 54,0.0470426,0.039106,0.0172812,0.0035502,0.005175 6,0.0035719,0.0028246,-0.005614,0.0050473,-0.0116806,-0.0119731,0.023024,0.0031254,-0.0112549,0.0027736,0.0025499,0.0014516,0.0042246, 0.0033076,-0.0006559,0.0135561,-0.0007698
British_Isles:Irish,0.1334042,0.134875,0.0610876,0 .0482532,0.0383388,0.0188992,0.003,0.0047738,0.003 1318,0.002725,-0.00714,0.005606,-0.0143759,-0.0139278,0.0253478,0.0048208,-0.0110725,0.0022052,0.0007502,0.0013385,0.0051745, 0.0012249,-0.0003563,0.0147667,0.0010665
South_Euro:Spanish_La_Rioja,0.121791,0.152329,0.04 6763,-0.008398,0.053856,-0.010598,-0.00188,0.002308,0.027611,0.038816,-0.005359,0.005695,-0.016947,-0.014863,0.00665,0.013657,0.010561,-0.002407,-0.000628,5e-04,0.012977,0.002349,-0.002218,-0.009399,0.000838
South_Euro:Italian_Lazio,0.1146768,0.1525832,0.006 694,-0.0350455,0.0213115,-0.0115738,0.0024675,0.000519,0.0068512,0.0234627,0 .001299,0.0028475,-0.007656,-0.0070875,-0.0068538,0.0041432,-0.000228,-0.0005068,0.0018225,-0.005065,-0.002745,0.0033695,-0.0003697,-0.0003613,-0.000479
South_Euro:Greek,0.1188166,0.1432553,0.0110825,-0.0218181,0.0199441,-0.0057308,0.0018876,-0.0005657,0.0003365,0.0140615,0.0013253,0.0026783,-0.0031122,0.0055359,-0.0157304,0.0001284,0.0108639,-0.0001881,0.0054942,-0.0034169,-0.0075352,0.0016673,0.0023219,0.0006219,-0.0020898
Distance to: Karol_scaled
0.03867009 Slavic:Polish
0.04041298 Germanic:Swedish
0.04230724 Slavic:Ukrainian
0.04733057 Germanic:Norwegian
0.05381667 British_Isles:English
0.05428690 Slavic:Belarusian
0.05439831 British_Isles:Scottish
0.05742777 British_Isles:Irish
0.10052853 South_Euro:Spanish_La_Rioja
0.10972548 South_Euro:Greek
0.12705968 South_Euro:Italian_Lazio
Target: Karol_scaled
Distance: 2.7465% / 0.02746463
Aggregated
57.2 Slavic
29.6 Germanic
13.2 South_Euro
what does everyone else get with these pops as source?
With this source:
Target: Mr.G_scaled
Distance: 1.1256% / 0.01125606
Aggregated
53.0 Germanic
31.6 South_Euro
13.6 Slavic
1.8 British_Isles
Luke35
11-17-2019, 01:34 PM
There's no way to make you mostly Insular Celtic in G25 ;) Maybe the estimates of Norse admixture in Ireland are completely wrong, it's similar for my dad.
This is my best effort so far, using only the fully Nordic Anglo-Saxon samples and the non-mixed Britons.
InsularCeltic:England_Roman:6DT23,0.126344,0.14115 9,0.060339,0.046512,0.036622,0.009482,0.005405,0.0 08077,0.00225,0.001458,-0.008607,0.006744,-0.016055,-0.007019,0.030944,-0.003845,-0.018906,0.004181,-0.003268,0.012506,0.004492,-0.004081,-0.010476,0.008917,-0.001916
InsularCeltic:England_Roman:6DT22,0.125205,0.14014 3,0.061094,0.045866,0.038776,0.014223,0.004935,0.0 05077,0.003068,0.000729,-0.004872,0.001349,-0.01115,-0.016928,0.016015,0.000796,0.000652,0.003927,0.006 159,0,0.003993,0.005441,-0.011462,-0.00012,-0.000359
InsularCeltic:England_Roman:6DT18,0.125205,0.14217 4,0.058454,0.050388,0.046162,0.021196,0.0047,0.008 538,-0.000818,0.005103,0.000487,0.012589,-0.017393,-0.020368,0.023887,0.006762,-0.005346,-0.003041,0.012444,0.001,0.007986,0.000866,-0.00419,0.013857,-0.003353
InsularCeltic:England_IA:I0156,0.132035,0.138112,0 .057699,0.053295,0.038776,0.017291,0.001645,0.003, 0.007976,0.00328,-0.00682,0.005845,-0.015609,-0.017478,0.025108,0.011403,0.001434,-0.005194,-0.000754,0.006503,0.00836,-0.005812,-0.004437,0.013496,-0.005029
InsularCeltic:England_IA:I0160,0.129758,0.136081,0 .059585,0.050388,0.03416,0.023427,0.002585,0.00923 ,0.002045,0.003827,-0.007632,0.009741,-0.016204,-0.018992,0.019951,-0.006099,-0.015776,0.008995,0.007542,0.003126,0.004243,0.001 607,0.006409,0.012411,-0.000479
InsularCeltic:England_IA:M1489,0.12862,0.123895,0. 060339,0.040375,0.027697,0.023148,0.005405,0.00323 1,0.001227,0.010752,0.005684,0.007343,-0.010406,-0.016928,0.020222,0.014054,0.01017,-0.004561,0.00352,-0.001626,0.001622,0.003586,-0.001972,0.00964,-0.000479
InsularCeltic:Scotland_LBA:I3130,0.127482,0.132019 ,0.062225,0.055556,0.026159,0.015339,0.011516,0.00 4846,0.004704,-0.004374,-0.006171,0.005845,-0.017096,-0.022295,0.03013,0.001458,-0.028293,0,0.008673,0.001,0.007861,0.004822,-0.001849,0.003856,0.003832
Germanic:England_Saxon:I0769,0.129758,0.132019,0.0 70899,0.059432,0.044624,0.025937,0.00282,0.005538, 0,-0.006743,-0.006171,0.004796,-0.012785,-0.012386,0.028366,0.0179,0.00691,-0.003674,0.006159,0.008004,0.008235,0.005193,0.000 37,0.019521,0.002036
Germanic:England_Saxon:NO3423,0.129758,0.13405,0.0 68259,0.062339,0.0397,0.017012,0.004465,0.002077,0 .001227,-0.007107,-0.007795,0.001499,-0.010852,-0.010459,0.027823,0.005569,-0.014212,0.004561,-0.000126,0.005002,0.009982,0.002473,0.002465,0.015 183,0.001916
Germanic:England_Saxon:I0773,0.141141,0.126941,0.0 63356,0.071383,0.044008,0.024263,0.00799,0.011307, 0.00409,-0.00656,-0.005359,0.005395,-0.01219,-0.013074,0.021172,0.011668,-0.001434,0.000887,0.008673,0.008629,0.010981,0.003 957,-0.003081,0.015544,-0.007424
Slavic:Sorb,0.130897,0.137096,0.068636,0.056848,0. 050779,0.021196,0.011281,0.011076,-0.003477,-0.017312,-0.002111,-0.006744,0.013082,0.017891,-0.008415,0.001061,0.008475,-0.006208,0.007039,-0.004127,-0.003369,-0.007543,0.008011,-0.004458,0.001197
Slavic:CZE_Early_Slav,0.12862,0.129988,0.068259,0. 046835,0.02739,0.013387,0.007285,0.014076,-0.001841,-0.018406,-0.000812,-0.004346,0.003717,0.007156,-0.010993,-0.003182,0.011604,-0.002027,-0.002388,-0.004752,0.005615,0.000618,0.001725,-0.000964,-0.006706
Paleo-Balkan:HRV_IA,0.132035,0.151314,0.033941,-0.01615,0.024928,-0.005857,-0.006345,0.007154,0.003681,0.028976,0.001786,0.011 69,-0.02111,-0.001376,-0.005972,-0.008486,-0.006519,0.004941,0.005531,-0.014257,-0.001872,0.00507,0.001479,0.00253,0.003353
Paleo-Balkan:BGR_IA,0.126344,0.157407,0.007165,-0.051034,0.029852,-0.02259,0.00423,-0.001385,0.007772,0.032074,-0.001461,0.005695,-0.013974,-0.003028,-0.015065,-0.001458,0.01369,0.006968,0.006285,-0.014757,-0.006239,0.004699,-0.007888,0.003494,-0.008861
Roman:DEU_Roman,0.117238,0.151314,0.045254,0.00032 3,0.052317,0.001952,0.0047,-0.006,0.01943,0.028064,-0.002436,0.004946,-0.017393,-0.013212,-0.004614,0.00411,0.009388,0.006334,-0.000377,5e-04,0.000624,0.001484,-0.000616,-0.00735,-0.001796
Roman:ITA_Rome_Imperial,0.1027016,0.1489866,-0.0237507,-0.0575546,0.0043725,-0.0203241,-0.0013366,-0.0049469,0.0004219,0.019336,0.0032343,0.0023073,-0.0039209,-0.0015167,-0.008033,-0.0017982,0.003773,0.0005358,0.0013329,-0.0030926,-0.0024437,0.0018729,-0.0008961,-0.0004869,0.0005663
Roman:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA,0.125205,0.147252,0. 045254,0.005814,0.044931,0.005578,-0.00094,0.003461,0.023725,0.039363,-0.004547,0.008992,-0.021407,-0.014726,0.012893,-0.001989,-0.001043,0.006208,0.003017,-0.003252,0.004742,0.002844,-0.006286,-0.000241,-0.002036
Roman:ITA_Boville_Ernica_Latini_IA,0.126344,0.1533 45,0.035072,-0.014858,0.052317,-0.013387,-0.00094,0.003461,0.020452,0.04155,0.004222,0.01004 1,-0.013528,-0.008808,0.007465,-0.015646,-0.011995,-0.003041,0.004902,-0.012631,0.007861,0.006306,-0.007641,-0.001325,0.008023
Roman:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA,0.127482,0.148267,0.03469 5,-0.017442,0.043085,-0.005578,-0.002115,-0.003231,0.024952,0.051391,-0.001461,0.013488,-0.034043,-0.010184,-0.008415,0.011535,0.018515,-0.003674,0.005405,0.004377,0.003244,-0.001731,0.002588,-0.006266,-0.007544
Roman:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA,0.133173,0.156392,0.0441 23,-0.010336,0.046778,-0.004741,0.008225,0.004154,0.023725,0.044283,-0.004222,0.01109,-0.02215,-0.011147,-0.006243,-0.006099,0.002738,-0.000127,0.004902,-0.004252,-0.009109,0.004328,-0.003081,-0.009519,-0.002874
Celtic:CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany,0.12862,0.1376045,0.07 05215,0.034238,0.0481625,0.004044,0.0019975,0.0013 85,0.018509,0.019955,-0.012017,-0.0052455,-0.00944,0.0006195,0.0095685,-0.0013255,-0.005998,0.001774,0.0048395,0.0080665,0.001061,0.0 019785,-0.0006165,-0.005422,-0.0034725
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_78,0.132035,0.135065,0.04 6386,0.034238,0.036314,0.003626,0.002585,0.005769, 0.005318,0.010023,0.001299,0.011839,-0.016947,-0.015001,0.017236,0.015115,0.021513,0.005828,0.003 268,0.003252,0.006239,-0.002102,0.001109,-0.002651,-0.001676
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_119,0.121791,0.140143,0.0 5242,0.026486,0.040623,0.003068,0.001175,0.001154, 0.003477,0.017859,-0.001299,0.01124,-0.020961,-0.019818,0.01045,0.02201,0.01708,-0.0019,0.009679,0.002376,0.007986,0.003957,-0.005053,0.000964,0.008382
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_2,0.124067,0.140143,0.056 191,0.041021,0.042162,0.016455,-0.003055,0.002077,0.014112,0.018406,0.002273,0.006 744,-0.020218,-0.000413,0.011672,0.001591,-0.008996,-0.006334,0.013073,0.012631,0.006988,0.00371,0.0014 79,-0.005422,-0.00467
Target: CreodaDad_scaled
Distance: 2.1101% / 0.02110067
Aggregated
59.6 InsularCeltic
30.8 Germanic
7.8 Slavic
1.8 Roman
Target: CreodaMum_scaled
Distance: 1.0232% / 0.01023215
Aggregated
45.0 Germanic
32.6 InsularCeltic
8.0 Celtic
7.0 Slavic
6.0 Paleo-Balkan
1.4 Roman
Target: Creoda_scaled
Distance: 1.5900% / 0.01590005
Aggregated
60.2 InsularCeltic
30.2 Germanic
4.6 Celtic
4.0 Roman
1.0 Slavic
Target: Mr.G_scaled
Distance: 1.5147% / 0.01514659
Aggregated
35.2 Germanic
25.6 Slavic
14.4 Paleo-Balkan
13.0 Roman
11.8 InsularCeltic
Interesting
Target: Dick_dad_scaled
Distance: 2.3184% / 0.02318397
47.6 Slavic:Sorb
27.0 Roman:ITA_Rome_Imperial
12.6 Slavic:CZE_Early_Slav
6.2 Celtic:CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany
4.4 Germanic:England_Saxon:I0773
2.0 Paleo-Balkan:BGR_IA
0.2 InsularCeltic:England_IA:I0160
Target: Dick_scaled
Distance: 2.1371% / 0.02137071
56.6 Slavic:Sorb
29.4 Roman:ITA_Rome_Imperial
6.6 Paleo-Balkan:HRV_IA
6.0 Slavic:CZE_Early_Slav
1.0 Celtic:CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany
0.4 Paleo-Balkan:BGR_IA
nittionia
11-17-2019, 01:39 PM
With the insular celtic code:
https://i.imgur.com/c32nQyi.png
Kaspias
11-17-2019, 02:32 PM
I had to add Turkmen because fit was around 8.
Target: Kaspias_scaled
Distance: 2.5686% / 0.02568608
31.2 Roman:ITA_Rome_Imperial
28.8 Slavic:CZE_Early_Slav
28.8 Turkmen
11.2 Paleo-Balkan:BGR_IA
andre
11-17-2019, 02:38 PM
Someone could add at this model the scythian and Cimmerian from Moldova (the thracian ones), and the szolad medieval samples?
celticdragongod
11-17-2019, 05:12 PM
There's no way to make you mostly Insular Celtic in G25 ;) Maybe the estimates of Norse admixture in Ireland are completely wrong, it's similar for my dad.
This is my best effort so far, using only the fully Nordic Anglo-Saxon samples and the non-mixed Britons.
InsularCeltic:England_Roman:6DT23,0.126344,0.14115 9,0.060339,0.046512,0.036622,0.009482,0.005405,0.0 08077,0.00225,0.001458,-0.008607,0.006744,-0.016055,-0.007019,0.030944,-0.003845,-0.018906,0.004181,-0.003268,0.012506,0.004492,-0.004081,-0.010476,0.008917,-0.001916
InsularCeltic:England_Roman:6DT22,0.125205,0.14014 3,0.061094,0.045866,0.038776,0.014223,0.004935,0.0 05077,0.003068,0.000729,-0.004872,0.001349,-0.01115,-0.016928,0.016015,0.000796,0.000652,0.003927,0.006 159,0,0.003993,0.005441,-0.011462,-0.00012,-0.000359
InsularCeltic:England_Roman:6DT18,0.125205,0.14217 4,0.058454,0.050388,0.046162,0.021196,0.0047,0.008 538,-0.000818,0.005103,0.000487,0.012589,-0.017393,-0.020368,0.023887,0.006762,-0.005346,-0.003041,0.012444,0.001,0.007986,0.000866,-0.00419,0.013857,-0.003353
InsularCeltic:England_IA:I0156,0.132035,0.138112,0 .057699,0.053295,0.038776,0.017291,0.001645,0.003, 0.007976,0.00328,-0.00682,0.005845,-0.015609,-0.017478,0.025108,0.011403,0.001434,-0.005194,-0.000754,0.006503,0.00836,-0.005812,-0.004437,0.013496,-0.005029
InsularCeltic:England_IA:I0160,0.129758,0.136081,0 .059585,0.050388,0.03416,0.023427,0.002585,0.00923 ,0.002045,0.003827,-0.007632,0.009741,-0.016204,-0.018992,0.019951,-0.006099,-0.015776,0.008995,0.007542,0.003126,0.004243,0.001 607,0.006409,0.012411,-0.000479
InsularCeltic:England_IA:M1489,0.12862,0.123895,0. 060339,0.040375,0.027697,0.023148,0.005405,0.00323 1,0.001227,0.010752,0.005684,0.007343,-0.010406,-0.016928,0.020222,0.014054,0.01017,-0.004561,0.00352,-0.001626,0.001622,0.003586,-0.001972,0.00964,-0.000479
InsularCeltic:Scotland_LBA:I3130,0.127482,0.132019 ,0.062225,0.055556,0.026159,0.015339,0.011516,0.00 4846,0.004704,-0.004374,-0.006171,0.005845,-0.017096,-0.022295,0.03013,0.001458,-0.028293,0,0.008673,0.001,0.007861,0.004822,-0.001849,0.003856,0.003832
Germanic:England_Saxon:I0769,0.129758,0.132019,0.0 70899,0.059432,0.044624,0.025937,0.00282,0.005538, 0,-0.006743,-0.006171,0.004796,-0.012785,-0.012386,0.028366,0.0179,0.00691,-0.003674,0.006159,0.008004,0.008235,0.005193,0.000 37,0.019521,0.002036
Germanic:England_Saxon:NO3423,0.129758,0.13405,0.0 68259,0.062339,0.0397,0.017012,0.004465,0.002077,0 .001227,-0.007107,-0.007795,0.001499,-0.010852,-0.010459,0.027823,0.005569,-0.014212,0.004561,-0.000126,0.005002,0.009982,0.002473,0.002465,0.015 183,0.001916
Germanic:England_Saxon:I0773,0.141141,0.126941,0.0 63356,0.071383,0.044008,0.024263,0.00799,0.011307, 0.00409,-0.00656,-0.005359,0.005395,-0.01219,-0.013074,0.021172,0.011668,-0.001434,0.000887,0.008673,0.008629,0.010981,0.003 957,-0.003081,0.015544,-0.007424
Slavic:Sorb,0.130897,0.137096,0.068636,0.056848,0. 050779,0.021196,0.011281,0.011076,-0.003477,-0.017312,-0.002111,-0.006744,0.013082,0.017891,-0.008415,0.001061,0.008475,-0.006208,0.007039,-0.004127,-0.003369,-0.007543,0.008011,-0.004458,0.001197
Slavic:CZE_Early_Slav,0.12862,0.129988,0.068259,0. 046835,0.02739,0.013387,0.007285,0.014076,-0.001841,-0.018406,-0.000812,-0.004346,0.003717,0.007156,-0.010993,-0.003182,0.011604,-0.002027,-0.002388,-0.004752,0.005615,0.000618,0.001725,-0.000964,-0.006706
Paleo-Balkan:HRV_IA,0.132035,0.151314,0.033941,-0.01615,0.024928,-0.005857,-0.006345,0.007154,0.003681,0.028976,0.001786,0.011 69,-0.02111,-0.001376,-0.005972,-0.008486,-0.006519,0.004941,0.005531,-0.014257,-0.001872,0.00507,0.001479,0.00253,0.003353
Paleo-Balkan:BGR_IA,0.126344,0.157407,0.007165,-0.051034,0.029852,-0.02259,0.00423,-0.001385,0.007772,0.032074,-0.001461,0.005695,-0.013974,-0.003028,-0.015065,-0.001458,0.01369,0.006968,0.006285,-0.014757,-0.006239,0.004699,-0.007888,0.003494,-0.008861
Roman:DEU_Roman,0.117238,0.151314,0.045254,0.00032 3,0.052317,0.001952,0.0047,-0.006,0.01943,0.028064,-0.002436,0.004946,-0.017393,-0.013212,-0.004614,0.00411,0.009388,0.006334,-0.000377,5e-04,0.000624,0.001484,-0.000616,-0.00735,-0.001796
Roman:ITA_Rome_Imperial,0.1027016,0.1489866,-0.0237507,-0.0575546,0.0043725,-0.0203241,-0.0013366,-0.0049469,0.0004219,0.019336,0.0032343,0.0023073,-0.0039209,-0.0015167,-0.008033,-0.0017982,0.003773,0.0005358,0.0013329,-0.0030926,-0.0024437,0.0018729,-0.0008961,-0.0004869,0.0005663
Roman:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA,0.125205,0.147252,0. 045254,0.005814,0.044931,0.005578,-0.00094,0.003461,0.023725,0.039363,-0.004547,0.008992,-0.021407,-0.014726,0.012893,-0.001989,-0.001043,0.006208,0.003017,-0.003252,0.004742,0.002844,-0.006286,-0.000241,-0.002036
Roman:ITA_Boville_Ernica_Latini_IA,0.126344,0.1533 45,0.035072,-0.014858,0.052317,-0.013387,-0.00094,0.003461,0.020452,0.04155,0.004222,0.01004 1,-0.013528,-0.008808,0.007465,-0.015646,-0.011995,-0.003041,0.004902,-0.012631,0.007861,0.006306,-0.007641,-0.001325,0.008023
Roman:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA,0.127482,0.148267,0.03469 5,-0.017442,0.043085,-0.005578,-0.002115,-0.003231,0.024952,0.051391,-0.001461,0.013488,-0.034043,-0.010184,-0.008415,0.011535,0.018515,-0.003674,0.005405,0.004377,0.003244,-0.001731,0.002588,-0.006266,-0.007544
Roman:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA,0.133173,0.156392,0.0441 23,-0.010336,0.046778,-0.004741,0.008225,0.004154,0.023725,0.044283,-0.004222,0.01109,-0.02215,-0.011147,-0.006243,-0.006099,0.002738,-0.000127,0.004902,-0.004252,-0.009109,0.004328,-0.003081,-0.009519,-0.002874
Celtic:CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany,0.12862,0.1376045,0.07 05215,0.034238,0.0481625,0.004044,0.0019975,0.0013 85,0.018509,0.019955,-0.012017,-0.0052455,-0.00944,0.0006195,0.0095685,-0.0013255,-0.005998,0.001774,0.0048395,0.0080665,0.001061,0.0 019785,-0.0006165,-0.005422,-0.0034725
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_78,0.132035,0.135065,0.04 6386,0.034238,0.036314,0.003626,0.002585,0.005769, 0.005318,0.010023,0.001299,0.011839,-0.016947,-0.015001,0.017236,0.015115,0.021513,0.005828,0.003 268,0.003252,0.006239,-0.002102,0.001109,-0.002651,-0.001676
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_119,0.121791,0.140143,0.0 5242,0.026486,0.040623,0.003068,0.001175,0.001154, 0.003477,0.017859,-0.001299,0.01124,-0.020961,-0.019818,0.01045,0.02201,0.01708,-0.0019,0.009679,0.002376,0.007986,0.003957,-0.005053,0.000964,0.008382
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_2,0.124067,0.140143,0.056 191,0.041021,0.042162,0.016455,-0.003055,0.002077,0.014112,0.018406,0.002273,0.006 744,-0.020218,-0.000413,0.011672,0.001591,-0.008996,-0.006334,0.013073,0.012631,0.006988,0.00371,0.0014 79,-0.005422,-0.00467
Target: CreodaDad_scaled
Distance: 2.1101% / 0.02110067
Aggregated
59.6 InsularCeltic
30.8 Germanic
7.8 Slavic
1.8 Roman
Target: CreodaMum_scaled
Distance: 1.0232% / 0.01023215
Aggregated
45.0 Germanic
32.6 InsularCeltic
8.0 Celtic
7.0 Slavic
6.0 Paleo-Balkan
1.4 Roman
Target: Creoda_scaled
Distance: 1.5900% / 0.01590005
Aggregated
60.2 InsularCeltic
30.2 Germanic
4.6 Celtic
4.0 Roman
1.0 Slavic
My Results:
[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
InsularCeltic:England_IA:I0160 Germanic:England_Saxon:NO3423
0.2004546 0.2836776
InsularCeltic:England_Roman:6DT18 InsularCeltic:England_IA:I0156
0.3087437 0.3209042
InsularCeltic:England_Roman:6DT23 InsularCeltic:Scotland_LBA:I3130
0.3270508 0.3551030
InsularCeltic:England_Roman:6DT22 Germanic:England_Saxon:I0773
0.3615060 0.3770922
Germanic:England_Saxon:I0769 Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_2
0.3855419 0.4122120
InsularCeltic:England_IA:M1489 Celtic:CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany
0.4197293 0.4814270
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_78 Slavic:CZE_Early_Slav
0.5504571 0.6120997
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_119 Slavic:Sorb
0.6199968 0.6705675
Roman:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA Roman:DEU_Roman
0.7385029 0.8309748
Paleo-Balkan:HRV_IA Roman:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA
0.9370006 0.9651209
Roman:ITA_Boville_Ernica_Latini_IA Roman:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA
1.0026830 1.1067900
Paleo-Balkan:BGR_IA Roman:ITA_Rome_Imperial
1.4036009 1.5893345
[1] "2. FULL TABLE nMONTE"
[1] "penalty= 0"
[1] "Ncycles= 1000"
[1] "distance%=1.441"
cdg_scaled
InsularCeltic,55
Germanic,27
Celtic,9.4
Slavic,4.8
Paleo-Balkan,3.8
[1] "2. FULL TABLE nMONTE"
[1] "penalty= 0.001"
[1] "Ncycles= 1000"
[1] "distance%=1.504"
cdg_scaled
InsularCeltic,66.8
Germanic,21.8
Celtic,6.4
Slavic,2.8
Roman,1.4
Paleo-Balkan,0.8
Germanic:England_Saxon:NO3423 seems to be InsularCeltic.
celticdragongod
11-17-2019, 05:30 PM
Even with Scotland LBA added me and my father still get too much Germanic (DEU MA).
Try this instead, works well for my family
Germanic:Norwegian,0.1338234,0.1279567,0.0679357,0 .0534334,0.0386443,0.0210366,0.0041964,0.0062964,0 .0057267,0.0003906,-0.0037349,0.0036823,-0.007518,-0.011698,0.0210754,0.0093949,-0.0054203,0.0026061,0.0006823,0.0007503,0.005633,0 .0055643,0.0042784,0.0177304,0.0010947
Slavic:Sorb,0.130897,0.137096,0.068636,0.056848,0. 050779,0.021196,0.011281,0.011076,-0.003477,-0.017312,-0.002111,-0.006744,0.013082,0.017891,-0.008415,0.001061,0.008475,-0.006208,0.007039,-0.004127,-0.003369,-0.007543,0.008011,-0.004458,0.001197
Slavic:CZE_Early_Slav,0.12862,0.129988,0.068259,0. 046835,0.02739,0.013387,0.007285,0.014076,-0.001841,-0.018406,-0.000812,-0.004346,0.003717,0.007156,-0.010993,-0.003182,0.011604,-0.002027,-0.002388,-0.004752,0.005615,0.000618,0.001725,-0.000964,-0.006706
Paleo-Balkan:HRV_IA,0.132035,0.151314,0.033941,-0.01615,0.024928,-0.005857,-0.006345,0.007154,0.003681,0.028976,0.001786,0.011 69,-0.02111,-0.001376,-0.005972,-0.008486,-0.006519,0.004941,0.005531,-0.014257,-0.001872,0.00507,0.001479,0.00253,0.003353
Paleo-Balkan:BGR_IA,0.126344,0.157407,0.007165,-0.051034,0.029852,-0.02259,0.00423,-0.001385,0.007772,0.032074,-0.001461,0.005695,-0.013974,-0.003028,-0.015065,-0.001458,0.01369,0.006968,0.006285,-0.014757,-0.006239,0.004699,-0.007888,0.003494,-0.008861
Roman:DEU_Roman,0.117238,0.151314,0.045254,0.00032 3,0.052317,0.001952,0.0047,-0.006,0.01943,0.028064,-0.002436,0.004946,-0.017393,-0.013212,-0.004614,0.00411,0.009388,0.006334,-0.000377,5e-04,0.000624,0.001484,-0.000616,-0.00735,-0.001796
Roman:ITA_Rome_Imperial,0.1027016,0.1489866,-0.0237507,-0.0575546,0.0043725,-0.0203241,-0.0013366,-0.0049469,0.0004219,0.019336,0.0032343,0.0023073,-0.0039209,-0.0015167,-0.008033,-0.0017982,0.003773,0.0005358,0.0013329,-0.0030926,-0.0024437,0.0018729,-0.0008961,-0.0004869,0.0005663
Roman:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA,0.125205,0.147252,0. 045254,0.005814,0.044931,0.005578,-0.00094,0.003461,0.023725,0.039363,-0.004547,0.008992,-0.021407,-0.014726,0.012893,-0.001989,-0.001043,0.006208,0.003017,-0.003252,0.004742,0.002844,-0.006286,-0.000241,-0.002036
Roman:ITA_Boville_Ernica_Latini_IA,0.126344,0.1533 45,0.035072,-0.014858,0.052317,-0.013387,-0.00094,0.003461,0.020452,0.04155,0.004222,0.01004 1,-0.013528,-0.008808,0.007465,-0.015646,-0.011995,-0.003041,0.004902,-0.012631,0.007861,0.006306,-0.007641,-0.001325,0.008023
Roman:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA,0.127482,0.148267,0.03469 5,-0.017442,0.043085,-0.005578,-0.002115,-0.003231,0.024952,0.051391,-0.001461,0.013488,-0.034043,-0.010184,-0.008415,0.011535,0.018515,-0.003674,0.005405,0.004377,0.003244,-0.001731,0.002588,-0.006266,-0.007544
Roman:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA,0.133173,0.156392,0.0441 23,-0.010336,0.046778,-0.004741,0.008225,0.004154,0.023725,0.044283,-0.004222,0.01109,-0.02215,-0.011147,-0.006243,-0.006099,0.002738,-0.000127,0.004902,-0.004252,-0.009109,0.004328,-0.003081,-0.009519,-0.002874
Celtic:CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany,0.12862,0.1376045,0.07 05215,0.034238,0.0481625,0.004044,0.0019975,0.0013 85,0.018509,0.019955,-0.012017,-0.0052455,-0.00944,0.0006195,0.0095685,-0.0013255,-0.005998,0.001774,0.0048395,0.0080665,0.001061,0.0 019785,-0.0006165,-0.005422,-0.0034725
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_78,0.132035,0.135065,0.04 6386,0.034238,0.036314,0.003626,0.002585,0.005769, 0.005318,0.010023,0.001299,0.011839,-0.016947,-0.015001,0.017236,0.015115,0.021513,0.005828,0.003 268,0.003252,0.006239,-0.002102,0.001109,-0.002651,-0.001676
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_119,0.121791,0.140143,0.0 5242,0.026486,0.040623,0.003068,0.001175,0.001154, 0.003477,0.017859,-0.001299,0.01124,-0.020961,-0.019818,0.01045,0.02201,0.01708,-0.0019,0.009679,0.002376,0.007986,0.003957,-0.005053,0.000964,0.008382
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_2,0.124067,0.140143,0.056 191,0.041021,0.042162,0.016455,-0.003055,0.002077,0.014112,0.018406,0.002273,0.006 744,-0.020218,-0.000413,0.011672,0.001591,-0.008996,-0.006334,0.013073,0.012631,0.006988,0.00371,0.0014 79,-0.005422,-0.00467
BritishBA:Scotland_LBA,0.1297585,0.133542,0.063073 2,0.0527298,0.0351605,0.0193132,0.0061102,0.003057 5,0.001892,-0.0027338,-0.0060082,0.0064818,-0.0180252,-0.0164115,0.024226,0.0058672,-0.0143422,0.0036108,0.0032995,0.0005313,0.0056462, 0.0044822,-0.0003393,0.0042172,0.0041315
Target: CreodaDad_scaled
Distance: 2.5823% / 0.02582262
Aggregated
70.8 BritishBA
16.6 Germanic
6.2 Celtic
5.4 Slavic
1.0 Roman
Target: CreodaMum_scaled
Distance: 1.2911% / 0.01291106
Aggregated
40.8 Germanic
27.0 BritishBA
22.2 Celtic
10.0 Slavic
Target: Creoda_scaled
Distance: 1.9344% / 0.01934409
Aggregated
71.4 BritishBA
20.0 Germanic
5.4 Celtic
3.0 Roman
0.2 Paleo-Balkan
My Results:
[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
Germanic:Norwegian BritishBA:Scotland_LBA
0.2281643 0.2536153
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_2 Celtic:CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany
0.4122120 0.4814270
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_78 Slavic:CZE_Early_Slav
0.5504571 0.6120997
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_119 Slavic:Sorb
0.6199968 0.6705675
Roman:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA Roman:DEU_Roman
0.7385029 0.8309748
Paleo-Balkan:HRV_IA Roman:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA
0.9370006 0.9651209
Roman:ITA_Boville_Ernica_Latini_IA Roman:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA
1.0026830 1.1067900
Paleo-Balkan:BGR_IA Roman:ITA_Rome_Imperial
1.4036009 1.5893345
[1] "2. FULL TABLE nMONTE"
[1] "penalty= 0"
[1] "Ncycles= 1000"
[1] "distance%=1.7877"
cdg_scaled
Germanic,58.4
BritishBA,20.4
Celtic,17.6
Paleo-Balkan,3.6
[1] "2. FULL TABLE nMONTE"
[1] "penalty= 0.001"
[1] "Ncycles= 1000"
[1] "distance%=1.8423"
cdg_scaled
Germanic,56.4
BritishBA,27.8
Celtic,13.4
Paleo-Balkan,0.8
Roman,0.8
Slavic,0.8
J. Ketch
11-17-2019, 05:36 PM
My Results:
[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
InsularCeltic:England_IA:I0160 Germanic:England_Saxon:NO3423
0.2004546 0.2836776
InsularCeltic:England_Roman:6DT18 InsularCeltic:England_IA:I0156
0.3087437 0.3209042
InsularCeltic:England_Roman:6DT23 InsularCeltic:Scotland_LBA:I3130
0.3270508 0.3551030
InsularCeltic:England_Roman:6DT22 Germanic:England_Saxon:I0773
0.3615060 0.3770922
Germanic:England_Saxon:I0769 Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_2
0.3855419 0.4122120
InsularCeltic:England_IA:M1489 Celtic:CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany
0.4197293 0.4814270
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_78 Slavic:CZE_Early_Slav
0.5504571 0.6120997
Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_119 Slavic:Sorb
0.6199968 0.6705675
Roman:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA Roman:DEU_Roman
0.7385029 0.8309748
Paleo-Balkan:HRV_IA Roman:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA
0.9370006 0.9651209
Roman:ITA_Boville_Ernica_Latini_IA Roman:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA
1.0026830 1.1067900
Paleo-Balkan:BGR_IA Roman:ITA_Rome_Imperial
1.4036009 1.5893345
[1] "2. FULL TABLE nMONTE"
[1] "penalty= 0"
[1] "Ncycles= 1000"
[1] "distance%=1.441"
cdg_scaled
InsularCeltic,55
Germanic,27
Celtic,9.4
Slavic,4.8
Paleo-Balkan,3.8
[1] "2. FULL TABLE nMONTE"
[1] "penalty= 0.001"
[1] "Ncycles= 1000"
[1] "distance%=1.504"
cdg_scaled
InsularCeltic,66.8
Germanic,21.8
Celtic,6.4
Slavic,2.8
Roman,1.4
Paleo-Balkan,0.8
Germanic:England_Saxon:NO3423 seems to be InsularCeltic.
He's not, he's mixed at most, and mostly Germanic.
celticdragongod
11-17-2019, 05:45 PM
just playing with G25
Slavic:Belarusian,0.1322625,0.1236239,0.0750219,0. 0695957,0.0402331,0.0265691,0.0107321,0.0133226,-0.0002727,-0.0246017,-0.0026957,-0.0092119,0.0193259,0.0272309,-0.0112647,-0.0038009,-0.0009647,0.0003717,0.0041397,-0.0010504,-0.0042342,-0.0046081,0.0077235,-0.0068601,0.0006946
Slavic:Ukrainian,0.1309273,0.1240867,0.0683506,0.0 575551,0.0376867,0.0212936,0.0087651,0.0113072,-0.002891,-0.0210999,-0.0016327,-0.0076594,0.0153563,0.0216328,-0.0112354,-0.0010965,0.0046903,-0.0006985,0.0025989,0.0017002,-0.0044989,-0.003479,0.0067387,-0.0040578,0.0007217
Slavic:Polish,0.1318405,0.1292694,0.0698685,0.0577 382,0.0406754,0.0217127,0.0086781,0.0108626,-0.0009329,-0.0185524,-0.0043488,-0.0064187,0.013093,0.0186295,-0.0070244,-0.0005595,0.0015455,-7.41e-05,0.0026948,0.0012872,-0.0031286,-0.0031185,0.0056063,-0.0033328,-8.76e-05
Germanic:Swedish,0.1340007,0.1283722,0.0715329,0.0 557909,0.0414202,0.0213225,0.006847,0.0089682,0.00 46947,-0.0067261,-0.004451,0.001635,-0.0048315,-0.0036907,0.0150773,0.0039838,-0.0074379,0.002004,0.003851,0.0046385,0.0064205,0. 0021357,0.0009244,0.0106969,-0.0002994
Germanic:Norwegian,0.1338234,0.1279567,0.0679357,0 .0534334,0.0386443,0.0210366,0.0041964,0.0062964,0 .0057267,0.0003906,-0.0037349,0.0036823,-0.007518,-0.011698,0.0210754,0.0093949,-0.0054203,0.0026061,0.0006823,0.0007503,0.005633,0 .0055643,0.0042784,0.0177304,0.0010947
British_Isles:English,0.1318551,0.137043,0.0617883 ,0.044013,0.0392299,0.0167481,0.0049845,0.0057448, 0.0052637,0.0056781,-0.0047691,0.0056161,-0.0125892,-0.0103507,0.0206153,0.0035521,-0.0103689,0.004094,0.003685,0.0029619,0.0059369,0. 0034036,-0.0032693,0.0137938,3.16e-05
British_Isles:Scottish,0.1314657,0.1342312,0.06226 54,0.0470426,0.039106,0.0172812,0.0035502,0.005175 6,0.0035719,0.0028246,-0.005614,0.0050473,-0.0116806,-0.0119731,0.023024,0.0031254,-0.0112549,0.0027736,0.0025499,0.0014516,0.0042246, 0.0033076,-0.0006559,0.0135561,-0.0007698
British_Isles:Irish,0.1334042,0.134875,0.0610876,0 .0482532,0.0383388,0.0188992,0.003,0.0047738,0.003 1318,0.002725,-0.00714,0.005606,-0.0143759,-0.0139278,0.0253478,0.0048208,-0.0110725,0.0022052,0.0007502,0.0013385,0.0051745, 0.0012249,-0.0003563,0.0147667,0.0010665
South_Euro:Spanish_La_Rioja,0.121791,0.152329,0.04 6763,-0.008398,0.053856,-0.010598,-0.00188,0.002308,0.027611,0.038816,-0.005359,0.005695,-0.016947,-0.014863,0.00665,0.013657,0.010561,-0.002407,-0.000628,5e-04,0.012977,0.002349,-0.002218,-0.009399,0.000838
South_Euro:Italian_Lazio,0.1146768,0.1525832,0.006 694,-0.0350455,0.0213115,-0.0115738,0.0024675,0.000519,0.0068512,0.0234627,0 .001299,0.0028475,-0.007656,-0.0070875,-0.0068538,0.0041432,-0.000228,-0.0005068,0.0018225,-0.005065,-0.002745,0.0033695,-0.0003697,-0.0003613,-0.000479
South_Euro:Greek,0.1188166,0.1432553,0.0110825,-0.0218181,0.0199441,-0.0057308,0.0018876,-0.0005657,0.0003365,0.0140615,0.0013253,0.0026783,-0.0031122,0.0055359,-0.0157304,0.0001284,0.0108639,-0.0001881,0.0054942,-0.0034169,-0.0075352,0.0016673,0.0023219,0.0006219,-0.0020898
Distance to: Karol_scaled
0.03867009 Slavic:Polish
0.04041298 Germanic:Swedish
0.04230724 Slavic:Ukrainian
0.04733057 Germanic:Norwegian
0.05381667 British_Isles:English
0.05428690 Slavic:Belarusian
0.05439831 British_Isles:Scottish
0.05742777 British_Isles:Irish
0.10052853 South_Euro:Spanish_La_Rioja
0.10972548 South_Euro:Greek
0.12705968 South_Euro:Italian_Lazio
Target: Karol_scaled
Distance: 2.7465% / 0.02746463
Aggregated
57.2 Slavic
29.6 Germanic
13.2 South_Euro
what does everyone else get with these pops as source?
My Results:
[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
British_Isles:Scottish British_Isles:Irish
0.1700079 0.1871597
British_Isles:English Germanic:Norwegian
0.1905219 0.2281643
Germanic:Swedish Slavic:Polish
0.2562369 0.6193087
Slavic:Ukrainian Slavic:Belarusian
0.6912538 0.7819272
South_Euro:Spanish_La_Rioja South_Euro:Greek
0.9599866 1.0975789
South_Euro:Italian_Lazio
1.1963705
[1] "2. FULL TABLE nMONTE"
[1] "penalty= 0"
[1] "Ncycles= 1000"
[1] "distance%=1.6418"
cdg_scaled
British_Isles,80.6
Germanic,19.2
South_Euro,0.2
[1] "2. FULL TABLE nMONTE"
[1] "penalty= 0.001"
[1] "Ncycles= 1000"
[1] "distance%=1.6446"
cdg_scaled
British_Isles,87.6
Germanic,10.4
Slavic,2
celticdragongod
11-17-2019, 05:52 PM
He's not, he's mixed at most, and mostly Germanic.
I guess this shows that Germans and Insular Celts were primarily descended from Dutch Bell Beakers.
Voskos
11-17-2019, 08:26 PM
>Using Sorbs to prove Slavic admixture.
Man do I like Slavic science.
Karol Klačansky
11-17-2019, 08:52 PM
>Using Sorbs to prove Slavic admixture.
Man do I like Slavic science.Kind of funny but makes sense for Germans and sorbs are pretty Slavic genetically
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vbnetkhio
11-17-2019, 08:54 PM
>Using Sorbs to prove Slavic admixture.
Man do I like Slavic science.
it's one Sorb, and he's ~80% Early Slavic
Voskos
11-17-2019, 08:57 PM
it's one Sorb, and he's ~80% Early Slavic
This sorb could have done better.I'm also around 21% early slavic and I'm not even a slav.
Karol Klačansky
11-17-2019, 08:58 PM
This sorb could have done better.I'm also around 21% early slavic and I'm not even a slav.[emoji23]
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I find it interesting that the Germans can vary much in this aspect. But I guess it has a lot to do with the fact that lots of ''pure'' Slavic folk has been absorbed relatively recently.
There are no more pure Slavs, except for the southern and central Russians. Sorbians are a mixture of Germans and Slavs, therefore it is impossible to count on the fact that the admixture of sorbes among Germans is a Slavic admixture.
[1] "distance%=3.0935"
German:German69
Swiss_German,52
Sorb_Niederlausitz,33.6 - no slavs
DEU_MA,14.4
distance%=3.3049"
German:German69
Swiss_German,61
Russian_Kursk,25 - true
DEU_MA,14
[1] "distance%=2.7312"
Sorb_Niederlausitz
Russian_Kursk,77.8
Swiss_German,22.2
vbnetkhio
11-17-2019, 09:56 PM
There are no more pure Slavs, except for the southern and central Russians.
why not Polesians?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e5/Polesia_map_-_topography.jpg
Sorbians are a mixture of Germans and Slavs
i'm sure a lot of them are, but this sample isn't.
why not Polesians?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e5/Polesia_map_-_topography.jpg
i'm sure a lot of them are, but this sample isn't.
Polesie is part of the ancestral home of the Slavs. Only the Russians retained its Slavic genetic basis, exclusively only the Russians. Neither Ukrainians nor Belarusians are the prototype of the Slavs.
Satem
11-17-2019, 10:03 PM
There are no more pure Slavs, except for the southern and central Russians. Sorbians are a mixture of Germans and Slavs, therefore it is impossible to count on the fact that the admixture of sorbes among Germans is a Slavic admixture.
Just :picard2:
Just :picard2:
Explain why Poles often share a PCA with Russians. But the Russians are never with the Poles.
Satem
11-17-2019, 10:14 PM
Explain why Poles often share a PCA with Russians. But the Russians are never with the Poles.
Right, Poles can be modeled as Russians with admixture, yet I wouldn't call Russians pure Slavs. Such term just doesn't exist.
why not Polesians?
There is no such nation or ethnic group. Anyway, this obsession with "pure Slavs" is quite irritating. All of Belarus is homogenously Northeast Euro/Balto-Slavic with very high rates of R1a.
vbnetkhio
11-17-2019, 10:24 PM
[1] "distance%=3.0935"
German:German69
Swiss_German,52
Sorb_Niederlausitz,33.6 - no slavs
DEU_MA,14.4
distance%=3.3049"
German:German69
Swiss_German,61
Russian_Kursk,25 - true
DEU_MA,14
[1] "distance%=2.7312"
Sorb_Niederlausitz
Russian_Kursk,77.8
Swiss_German,22.2
Swiss Germans are almost pure Celts i believe, and the Sorb has celtic influence, check the models on the previous pages.
Karol Klačansky
11-17-2019, 10:49 PM
Swiss Germans are almost pure Celts i believe, and the Sorb has celtic influence, check the models on the previous pages.Yet when Szolad V2 who clusters close to belarusians and was most likely a pure Slav was used as a proxy percentages in Germans remained the same as when sorbs were used even if sorbs are a bit mixed, so it doesn't seem to really matter. For German samples sorbs can be used as a descent model for Slavic heritage among Germans.
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Karol Klačansky
11-17-2019, 10:51 PM
There is no such nation or ethnic group. Anyway, this obsession with "pure Slavs" is quite irritating. All of Belarus is homogenously Northeast Euro/Balto-Slavic with very high rates of R1a.Yet southern belarusians plot closer to urkainains and are more distant to balts than northern belarusians are because they are less Baltic admixed. And balts despite having common origins with slavs are still different this is very apparent in genetics as the vast majority of slavic countries do not cluster with balts.
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Right, Poles can be modeled as Russians with admixture, yet I wouldn't call Russians pure Slavs. Such term just doesn't exist.
Russians can also be modeled as Ukrainians+Finns. Don't listen to this purity obsessed guy. Medieval Russian Slav found east from Moscow clustered with Ukrainians and Poles before modern Russians.
There is no such nation or ethnic group. Anyway, this obsession with "pure Slavs" is quite irritating. All of Belarus is homogenously Northeast Euro/Balto-Slavic with very high rates of R1a.
Yet when Szolad V2 who clusters close to belarusians and was most likely a pure Slav was used as a proxy percentages in Germans remained the same as when sorbs were used even if sorbs are a bit mixed, so it doesn't seem to really matter. For German samples sorbs can be used as a descent model for Slavic heritage among Germans.
Yet southern belarusians plot closer to urkainains and are more distant to balts than northern belarusians are because they are less Baltic admixed. And balts despite having common origins with slavs are still different this is very apparent in genetics as the vast majority of slavic countries do not cluster with balts.
All of this is correct. :) We like to pinpoint tiny details, but in the end of the day early Slavs were surely NEE-ECE Euro, simply put.
Teutone would have a heart attack if he saw this thread lol
miss him :cry2
Karol Klačansky
11-17-2019, 11:04 PM
Polesie is part of the ancestral home of the Slavs. Only the Russians retained its Slavic genetic basis, exclusively only the Russians. Neither Ukrainians nor Belarusians are the prototype of the Slavs.Northern Russians are the most genetically divergent Slavic group from everyone and how on earth did u come to the conclusion that only Russians inherited genes from polesians and not belarusians, Ukrainians, or even poles [emoji16] nationalism at its finest
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All of this is correct. :) We like to pinpoint tiny details, but in the end of the day early Slavs were surely NEE-ECE Euro, simply put.
I could care less, you guys can hate me as much as you want, some retards call me fake (the Cuman idiot was claiming I am half Ukrainian which is totally baseless) but I look one hundred percent Eastern European, no Eurasian influence whatsoever. If you don't remember me, I can send you my photo (I won't send it to every dickhead, especially various socks and trolls who can't be trusted).
I could care less, you guys can hate me as much as you want, some retards call me fake (the Cuman idiot was claiming I am half Ukrainian which is totally baseless) but I look one hundred percent Eastern European, no Eurasian influence whatsoever. If you don't remember me, I can send you my photo (I won't send it to every dickhead, especially various socks and trolls who can't be trusted).
Sure, can send :)
I like you by the way.
Karol Klačansky
11-17-2019, 11:10 PM
All of this is correct. :) We like to pinpoint tiny details, but in the end of the day early Slavs were surely NEE-ECE Euro, simply put.Croatians are my brothers and I feel close to them. I have genetic relations with East slavs too due to common ancestry but I don't feel close to them they betrayed the rest of slavdom with radical communism and are far to aggressive and violent for my tastes. As a Christian I love all humans but I only feel close to west slavs and certain south Slavic groups from slavdom.
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Karol Klačansky
11-17-2019, 11:11 PM
Sure, can send :)
I like you by the way.He's a racist and hates Catholics.
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Croatians are my brothers and I feel close to them. I have genetic relations with East slavs too due to common ancestry but I don't feel close to them they betrayed the rest of slavdom with radical communism and are far to aggressive and violent for my tastes. As a Christian I love all humans but I only feel close to west slavs and certain south Slavic groups from slavdom.
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I feel close to Slovaks too :) My father loves Slovaks very much, since he lived in Prague (he likes Czechs a lot too, but feels Slovaks closer to Croatians). Yesterday when we played football game and fans were drinking and having fun togheder, it was great atmosphere without any incidents. I like all Slavs but unfortunately I really have ton of negative feelings towards Serbia, which I hope will change.
And I wish for Christian Unity among Europeans, Slavs especially. God wouldn't approve me hating Serbia so I need to change. This forum isn't helpful when it comes to that, unfortunately.
There are Serbian posters I respect and like, and there are some I can't stand.
He's a racist and hates Catholics.
I feel orthodox Christians are on different vawe than Catholics, well, unity can happen only when both sides want it. If one doesn't than it shouldn't be forced since it isn't God's will yet.
But I hope, churches reunite in symbolic year 2054.
I also want to say, I am equally proud of my Slavic and native Balkan European ancestry. Wouldn't want to change for anything in this world! But I lean to Slavic side naturally, since it is our identity and we are bit more Slav than Illyrian. But I think, being Catholic matters more to me than ethnicity.
Good night :)
He's a racist and hates Catholics.
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Listen, bro. I didn't want to talk to you again but let's clarify. 'Racist' is a leftist smear word against those who don't share their ridiculous egalitarian utopism. Ironically I'm probably different from most people here since I don't even believe in evolution and the idea that we are monkeys. As for Roman Catholicism, I dislike it and as Orthodox consider it heterodox, heretical, especially after Vatican II and liberation theology. I don't hate you or any other group of people because of who they are. For example my favorite nation is Poland and maybe Hungary too. Muslims would say your beliefs are wrong, Protestants, Buddhists, Jews, etc. Who cares? With religion you either believe or you do not, it's very hard to convince people who do not share your beliefs. Not to mention I'm no theologian or preacher.
Please leave me alone, do not engage with me. There are people on TA who I do not interact with, I simply don't quote them and don't respond to their quotations.
Karol Klačansky
11-17-2019, 11:23 PM
I feel close to Slovaks too :) My father loves Slovaks very much, since he lived in Prague (he likes Czechs a lot too, but feels Slovaks closer to Croatians). Yesterday when we played football game and fans were drinking and having fun togheder, it was great atmosphere without any incidents. I like all Slavs but unfortunately I really have ton of negative feelings towards Serbia, which I hope will change.
And I wish for Christian Unity among Europeans, Slavs especially. God wouldn't approve me hating Serbia so I need to change. This forum isn't helpful when it comes to that, unfortunately.
There are Serbian posters I respect and like, and there are some I can't stand.Ukrainians are killing each other in Eastern Ukraine, and claim nonsense like Ukrainian is the original Slavic language and that it's closer to polish than it is to Russian, they are fanatics. Belarusians have a dictator and are the last country in Europe to execute people. Putin is the best thing to come out of Russia along with Dostojevsky, but the rest of Russian history doesn't even need to be explained.
Croations are a nice people and the country is beautiful, I'd marry a Croatian girl and start a nation with her.
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Russians can also be modeled as Ukrainians+Finns. Don't listen to this purity obsessed guy. Medieval Russian Slav found east from Moscow clustered with Ukrainians and Poles before modern Russians.
The Finnish component of the Russians is greatly exaggerated by "experts on the Ladogans." There is a Finnish admixture in the north and in the east. The whole west, almost the entire center and south of Russia has no Finnish admixture at all or almost no. It is impossible to model Russians as Ukrainians + Finns, because Ukrainians have a strong southern Romanian-Balkan admixture, which is completely absent in southern Russians. Southern Russians have nothing to do with Ukrainians. Southern Russians are identical to central Russians. Since the settlement of central Russia occurred from Kursk and Orel and further east. This Ukrainians can be modeled as southern Russians + balkans. You do not know the history of the settlement of Ukraine, which occurred from the territory of Russia and the Carpathians simultaneously after the Mongol attack and the complete devastation of Ukrainian territory. Ukrainians are a mixture of Russian Slavs and South European highlanders. Poles can be modeled as southern Russians + balkans + Germans. Poles are Slavs by 50-60%, Croats are Slavs by 20-30%.
Southern and central Russians are almost pure Slavs without any admixteres. Still almost clean, of course not 100%, but 95%. We have no other origin than Slavic.
Northern Russians are the most genetically divergent Slavic group from everyone and how on earth did u come to the conclusion that only Russians inherited genes from polesians and not belarusians, Ukrainians, or even poles nationalism at its finest
Northern Russians have a different origin than central and southern Russians. Their ethnogenesis occurred on the basis of Slovenian Novgorodians + Finns. However, even the northern Russians in Novgorod have a much larger percentage of Slavs than Croats or Slovaks. You should not see Slavs in the west outside Belarus. There are no Slavs in the west of the borders of Belarus. You cannot compare northern Russians with Croats, Czechs or Poles, that’s nonsense. These peoples are almost not Slavic in DNA. Northern Russians should be compared only with pure Slavs - with southern Russians. Also do not confuse northern Russians and northeastern Russians. Northeast Russians make up 10-20% of all Russians in Russia. They descended from the comin-like Finns by 50% - Veps, Komi, Mordovians. Of course, the Finnish mixture pushes the northern Russians away from all Western Europeans (since the Finns have almost no Anatolian crap), but not from the Slavs. Northeast Russians are closer to southern Russians than any West Slavic group, despite its Finnish admixture.
Our Russian ancestors entered Europe at the beginning of the first millennium and created the Prague culture, on the basis of which all the Slavic peoples of Western and South-Western Europe arose. It may sound awful to you, but that’s exactly what, let’s say without politically correct terms.
Karol Klačansky
11-18-2019, 07:55 AM
The Finnish component of the Russians is greatly exaggerated by "experts on the Ladogans." There is a Finnish admixture in the north and in the east. The whole west, almost the entire center and south of Russia has no Finnish admixture at all or almost no. It is impossible to model Russians as Ukrainians + Finns, because Ukrainians have a strong southern Romanian-Balkan admixture, which is completely absent in southern Russians. Southern Russians have nothing to do with Ukrainians. Southern Russians are identical to central Russians. Since the settlement of central Russia occurred from Kursk and Orel and further east. This Ukrainians can be modeled as southern Russians + balkans. You do not know the history of the settlement of Ukraine, which occurred from the territory of Russia and the Carpathians simultaneously after the Mongol attack and the complete devastation of Ukrainian territory. Ukrainians are a mixture of Russian Slavs and South European highlanders. Poles can be modeled as southern Russians + balkans + Germans. Poles are Slavs by 50-60%, Croats are Slavs by 20-30%.
Southern and central Russians are almost pure Slavs without any admixteres. Still almost clean, of course not 100%, but 95%. We have no other origin than Slavic.Only western Ukrainians have a strong balkanic connection the rest don't and are identical to southern Russians essentially. Central Russians are not identical to southern and do have a dinnic component already even the balts-Slavic study from 2015 (Feiichy already shared the Fst table here on this thread earlier) shows central Russians are genetically closer to Finns than southern Russians are to Finns. Also your percentages are way off and have no scientific basis. Poles are around 80-100 percent Slavic genetically and Croatians around 45 to 60%.
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Central Russians are in between Northern and Southern if we mean areas around Vladimir, Ryazan.
I could care less, you guys can hate me as much as you want, some retards call me fake (the Cuman idiot was claiming I am half Ukrainian which is totally baseless) but I look one hundred percent Eastern European, no Eurasian influence whatsoever. If you don't remember me, I can send you my photo (I won't send it to every dickhead, especially various socks and trolls who can't be trusted).
You are half Belarus, half Komi. Surely Ladogan. I posted my photo for classification. you can do it too. I am sure that you are a ladogan.
You are half Belarus, half Komi. Surely Ladogan. I posted my photo for classification. you can do it too. I am sure that you are a ladogan.
I'm zero Komi, my mother is Northeastern Russian from Western Kirov oblast. Those districts are 95+% ethnic Russian, even in the 1897 census. My grandfather researched into his family, his parents and grandparents, all were Russian. The Finno-Ugric substratum was diluted centuries ago.
Blondie
11-18-2019, 08:28 AM
Poles are around 80-100 percent Slavic genetically and Croatians around 45 to 60%.
I doubt that western poles are more slavic than croats since they have lot of germanic influence. Even sorbs in Germany are more slvaic than western poles.
Why are those fake people spreading misinformation about me? Cumansky, Alex. You guys don't know anything about me, although I have posted my results and have been here for years.
Only western Ukrainians have a strong balkanic connection the rest don't and are identical to southern Russians essentially. Central Russians are not identical to southern and do have a dinnic component already even the balts-Slavic study from 2015 (Feiichy already shared the Fst table here on this thread earlier) shows central Russians are genetically closer to Finns than southern Russians are to Finns. Also your percentages are way off and have no scientific basis. Poles are around 80-100 percent Slavic genetically and Croatians around 45 to 60%.
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No, this PСA is a famous fake. Since the central Russians on this PСA are Russians from eastern Kostroma and Russians from Kargopol, so they are removed from the southern Russians. In fact, the Russian Kostroma and the Russian Kargopol are not central Russians, but real northeastern Russians. Northern Russians on this PСA are pomors, which is also not entirely true. This famous PСA has long been exposed.
Central Russians are in between Northern and Southern if we mean areas around Vladimir, Ryazan.
Ryazan is southern Russia. You do not know much about geography. Vladimir Russians are almost identical to Kursk Russians. The difference between them is minimal.
Karol Klačansky
11-18-2019, 08:46 AM
I doubt that western poles are more slavic than croats since they have lot of germanic influence. Even sorbs in Germany are more slvaic than western poles.
lol Peterski here is a western pole and hes around 80% slavic genetically, no croation clusters as close to other north east slavic populations as he does.
Ryazan is southern Russia. You do not know much about geography. Vladimir Russians are almost identical to Kursk Russians. The difference between them is minimal.
Southern Russia = Southern federal district. Kursk, Belgorod, Voronezh are in the Southwest. Ryazan is part of the Meshchyora region, it's not Southern.
vbnetkhio
11-18-2019, 08:56 AM
Poles are Slavs by 50-60%, Croats are Slavs by 20-30%.
no.
Slovenians
distance 0.01695806
HUN_Avar_Szolad 63.2
HRV_IA 36.8
Slovaks
distance 0.01641000
HUN_Avar_Szolad 62.0
SVK_Poprad_MA 38.0
Ukrainians
distance 0.01985812
HUN_Avar_Szolad 81.7
UKR_Chernyakhiv_Shyshaky 18.3
Polish
distance 0.01892607
HUN_Avar_Szolad 71.6
DEU_MA 28.4
Croatian
distance 0.01988973
HRV_IA 36.6
HUN_Avar_Szolad 63.4
Southern Russia = Southern federal district. Kursk, Belgorod, Voronezh are in the Southwest. Ryazan is part of the Meshchyora region, it's not Southern.
I understand that you are Komi by nationality and do not understand that the Russians are divided into southern and northern not by federal districts, but by dialects. Ryazan, Murom, Tula, this is a South Russian dialect. Meshchera region - this does not happen.
For Komi Autistic.
<img src="https://i.ibb.co/vJTPX3F/dialekt.jpg" alt="dialekt" border="0">
Ryazan, Kursk, Oryol - southern Russians.
When will they ban this sockpuppet?
Karol Klačansky
11-18-2019, 09:09 AM
no.
Slovenians
distance 0.01695806
HUN_Avar_Szolad 63.2
HRV_IA 36.8
Slovaks
distance 0.01641000
HUN_Avar_Szolad 62.0
SVK_Poprad_MA 38.0
Ukrainians
distance 0.01985812
HUN_Avar_Szolad 81.7
UKR_Chernyakhiv_Shyshaky 18.3
Polish
distance 0.01892607
HUN_Avar_Szolad 71.6
DEU_MA 28.4
Croatian
distance 0.01988973
HRV_IA 36.6
HUN_Avar_Szolad 63.4
Slovak Poprad sample is already admixed and not pure germanic shouldnt be used when comparing Slavic vs non slavic ancestry.
Blondie
11-18-2019, 09:10 AM
lol Peterski here is a western pole and hes around 80% slavic genetically, no croation clusters as close to other north east slavic populations as he does.
Peterski has german Y haplogroup not slavic just saying... and one people is not equal with a compelte population. Check these maps:
https://www.eupedia.com/images/content/23andMe_Northwest_European.png
https://www.eupedia.com/images/content/23andMe_Scandinavian.png
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f1/9f/0d/f19f0d00f27f5760d3335247fe7d925c.jpg
Eastern germans and western poles lived together more than 1000 years, do you really think they are 100% pure or something? :D Don't make me laugh...
no.
Slovenians
distance 0.01695806
HUN_Avar_Szolad 63.2
HRV_IA 36.8
Slovaks
distance 0.01641000
HUN_Avar_Szolad 62.0
SVK_Poprad_MA 38.0
Ukrainians
distance 0.01985812
HUN_Avar_Szolad 81.7
UKR_Chernyakhiv_Shyshaky 18.3
Polish
distance 0.01892607
HUN_Avar_Szolad 71.6
DEU_MA 28.4
Croatian
distance 0.01988973
HRV_IA 36.6
HUN_Avar_Szolad 63.4
HUN_Avar_Szolad are not proto-Slavs. I'm tired of central European egocentrism. Europe is the secondary settlement area of the Indo-Europeans. It’s time for everyone to remember the euro. All of Europe went from Russia. Slavs came from the territory of Russia. The Germans came from the territory of Russia. The west, the Europeans farther from their original DNA.
vbnetkhio
11-18-2019, 09:15 AM
HUN_Avar_Szolad are not proto-Slavs. I'm tired of central European egocentrism. Europe is the secondary settlement area of the Indo-Europeans. It’s time for everyone to remember the euro. All of Europe went from Russia. Slavs came from the territory of Russia. The Germans came from the territory of Russia. The west, the Europeans farther from their original DNA.
i used only AV2. all Slavs can be modeled with AV2.
Blondie
11-18-2019, 09:16 AM
The Germans came from the territory of Russia.
Wrong, ancestors of germans are from the Nordic Bronze Age in South Scandinavia, Denmark.
https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/middle_bronze_age_europe.png
Wrong, ancestors of germans are from the Nordic Bronze Age in South Scandinavia, Denmark.
https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/middle_bronze_age_europe.png
That guy is nuts, he is far from objective. In fact Russians online tend to be retards. I don't want to have anything to do with people like that.
Wrong, ancestors of germans are from the Nordic Bronze Age in South Scandinavia, Denmark.
https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/middle_bronze_age_europe.png
I think, somehow, the German-Balto-Slavs came to Denmark and there the Germans were separated from the Balto-Slavs. But the ancestral home of these people, like all Indo-Europeans, is the territory of modern Russia.
Karol Klačansky
11-18-2019, 09:26 AM
Poles are Slavs by 50-60%, Croats are Slavs by 20-30%.
Source
Belarusian,0.1322625,0.1236239,0.0750219,0.0695957 ,0.0402331,0.0265691,0.0107321,0.0133226,-0.0002727,-0.0246017,-0.0026957,-0.0092119,0.0193259,0.0272309,-0.0112647,-0.0038009,-0.0009647,0.0003717,0.0041397,-0.0010504,-0.0042342,-0.0046081,0.0077235,-0.0068601,0.0006946
Ukrainian,0.1309273,0.1240867,0.0683506,0.0575551, 0.0376867,0.0212936,0.0087651,0.0113072,-0.002891,-0.0210999,-0.0016327,-0.0076594,0.0153563,0.0216328,-0.0112354,-0.0010965,0.0046903,-0.0006985,0.0025989,0.0017002,-0.0044989,-0.003479,0.0067387,-0.0040578,0.0007217
Germanic:Swedish,0.1340007,0.1283722,0.0715329,0.0 557909,0.0414202,0.0213225,0.006847,0.0089682,0.00 46947,-0.0067261,-0.004451,0.001635,-0.0048315,-0.0036907,0.0150773,0.0039838,-0.0074379,0.002004,0.003851,0.0046385,0.0064205,0. 0021357,0.0009244,0.0106969,-0.0002994
Germanic:Norwegian,0.1338234,0.1279567,0.0679357,0 .0534334,0.0386443,0.0210366,0.0041964,0.0062964,0 .0057267,0.0003906,-0.0037349,0.0036823,-0.007518,-0.011698,0.0210754,0.0093949,-0.0054203,0.0026061,0.0006823,0.0007503,0.005633,0 .0055643,0.0042784,0.0177304,0.0010947
British_Isles:English,0.1318551,0.137043,0.0617883 ,0.044013,0.0392299,0.0167481,0.0049845,0.0057448, 0.0052637,0.0056781,-0.0047691,0.0056161,-0.0125892,-0.0103507,0.0206153,0.0035521,-0.0103689,0.004094,0.003685,0.0029619,0.0059369,0. 0034036,-0.0032693,0.0137938,3.16e-05
British_Isles:Scottish,0.1314657,0.1342312,0.06226 54,0.0470426,0.039106,0.0172812,0.0035502,0.005175 6,0.0035719,0.0028246,-0.005614,0.0050473,-0.0116806,-0.0119731,0.023024,0.0031254,-0.0112549,0.0027736,0.0025499,0.0014516,0.0042246, 0.0033076,-0.0006559,0.0135561,-0.0007698
British_Isles:Irish,0.1334042,0.134875,0.0610876,0 .0482532,0.0383388,0.0188992,0.003,0.0047738,0.003 1318,0.002725,-0.00714,0.005606,-0.0143759,-0.0139278,0.0253478,0.0048208,-0.0110725,0.0022052,0.0007502,0.0013385,0.0051745, 0.0012249,-0.0003563,0.0147667,0.0010665
South_Euro:Spanish_La_Rioja,0.121791,0.152329,0.04 6763,-0.008398,0.053856,-0.010598,-0.00188,0.002308,0.027611,0.038816,-0.005359,0.005695,-0.016947,-0.014863,0.00665,0.013657,0.010561,-0.002407,-0.000628,5e-04,0.012977,0.002349,-0.002218,-0.009399,0.000838
South_Euro:Italian_Lazio,0.1146768,0.1525832,0.006 694,-0.0350455,0.0213115,-0.0115738,0.0024675,0.000519,0.0068512,0.0234627,0 .001299,0.0028475,-0.007656,-0.0070875,-0.0068538,0.0041432,-0.000228,-0.0005068,0.0018225,-0.005065,-0.002745,0.0033695,-0.0003697,-0.0003613,-0.000479
South_Euro:Greek,0.1188166,0.1432553,0.0110825,-0.0218181,0.0199441,-0.0057308,0.0018876,-0.0005657,0.0003365,0.0140615,0.0013253,0.0026783,-0.0031122,0.0055359,-0.0157304,0.0001284,0.0108639,-0.0001881,0.0054942,-0.0034169,-0.0075352,0.0016673,0.0023219,0.0006219,-0.0020898
using Ukrainians and Belarusians as proxies for Slavic ancestry among west and south slavs
https://i.ibb.co/4S9QGdZ/Slavic-populations-ethnicity-breakdown.jpg (https://ibb.co/PW3SnQZ)
i used only AV2. all Slavs can be modeled with AV2.
You can simulate anyone with anyone. Ancient samples found in the West do not correspond to the first Slavs. I think that deciphering the DNA of Russian Vyatichi will give us an answer to the question - what did the DNA of the first Slavs look like. All these ancient Czechs and Poles are just mixed Slavic patterns.
Blondie
11-18-2019, 09:30 AM
I think, somehow, the German-Balto-Slavs came to Denmark and there the Germans were separated from the Balto-Slavs. But the ancestral home of these people, like all Indo-Europeans, is the territory of modern Russia.
There is no such thing that "German-Balto-Slavs", and the proto indo-european homeland is not the ancestral homeland of germans because there were no german ethnicity in Russia in this time only PIE. Ancestors of germans came from Scandinavia, later they mixed with local central european celts, and this celto-germanic mixed population is the german nation.
That guy is nuts, he is far from objective. In fact Russians online tend to be retards. I don't want to have anything to do with people like that.
Calm down Asian half-breed. No one calls you a Slav. You are a Komi with Polish roots.
Karol Klačansky
11-18-2019, 09:34 AM
Peterski has german Y haplogroup not slavic just saying... and one people is not equal with a compelte population. Check these maps:
https://www.eupedia.com/images/content/23andMe_Northwest_European.png
https://www.eupedia.com/images/content/23andMe_Scandinavian.png
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f1/9f/0d/f19f0d00f27f5760d3335247fe7d925c.jpg
Eastern germans and western poles lived together more than 1000 years, do you really think they are 100% pure or something? :D Don't make me laugh...
seit wann ist 80% gleich 100% oder kannst einfach ned lesen? Ostdeutschen sind durchschnittlich über 50% slawisch von Herkunft, wenn wir das betrachten dann ist es nicht so schwer zu glauben, dass Westpolen ungefähr +80% slawisch ist.
Komi people are about 18% Mongoloid only. I once calculated an average using 10-12 academic samples, they ranged from 15 to 21% East Eurasian. I have no known Komi roots though, only more ancient Finno-Ugric admixture, medieval or early modern era. My mom looks fully white.
EDIT: actually 16 samples.
There is no such thing that "German-Balto-Slavs", and the proto indo-european homeland is not the ancestral homeland of germans because there were no german ethnicity in Russia in this time only PIE. Ancestors of germans came from Scandinavia, later they mixed with local central european celts, and this celto-germanic mixed population is the german nation.
Again. Germanic languages are closer to Slavic than Celtic. Proto-Germanic language separated from Baltic-Slavic at a later time, somewhere in Eastern Europe. The origin of the Germans from Scandinavia is a fake. This is the story of a different era
Blondie
11-18-2019, 09:52 AM
seit wann ist 80% gleich 100% oder kannst einfach ned lesen? Ostdeutschen sind durchschnittlich über 50% slawisch von Herkunft, wenn wir das betrachten dann ist es nicht so schwer zu glauben, dass Westpolen ungefähr +80% slawisch ist.
Are you propagandist or something? East germans are not 50% or more slavic... Even Austria (which is the most slavized) is more closer to Germany then to any slavic nation by far:
https://i.imgur.com/occi3pN.png
https://secureservercdn.net/184.168.47.225/35b.ded.myftpupload.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/image5.png
Slavic genetic in East Germany (10-30%):
https://www.eupedia.com/images/content/23andMe_East_European.png
I don't know why are you guys are totally obsessed with germans, making such "you wuz slavs we wuz burest of burest genetically" threads every day, that happens when you are totally branwashed by propagandist and you judge a complete population with 1-2 cherry picked individuals. No problem just belive in what you want, i've finished this debate with you guys, that's why i put Peterski to ignore list. If your self respect will be better just because you belive in this East Germans are slavs bullshit then it's okay to me, i do care about your mentally condition, the happy life is above all :)
J. Ketch
11-18-2019, 09:56 AM
Slovak Poprad sample is already admixed and not pure germanic shouldnt be used when comparing Slavic vs non slavic ancestry.
England_Saxon:I0773 is the best example to use for Germanic. If he's not pure Germanic, nobody is.
Komi people are about 18% Mongoloid only. I once calculated an average using 10-12 academic samples, they ranged from 15 to 21% East Eurasian. I have no known Komi roots though, only more ancient Finno-Ugric admixture, medieval or early modern era. My mom looks fully white.
EDIT: actually 16 samples.
Who cares what your mom looks like or you? Your DNA family comes from the Urals and near the Urals. My family hails from the Oka, where Proto-Balto-Slavs lived from the Indo-European era.
https://www.shitpostbot.com/img/sourceimages/we-wuz-kangz-596e43eb75dce.jpeg
Peterski is gonna be delighted to see his thread fucking ruined.
Grace O'Malley
11-18-2019, 10:00 AM
just playing with G25
Slavic:Belarusian,0.1322625,0.1236239,0.0750219,0. 0695957,0.0402331,0.0265691,0.0107321,0.0133226,-0.0002727,-0.0246017,-0.0026957,-0.0092119,0.0193259,0.0272309,-0.0112647,-0.0038009,-0.0009647,0.0003717,0.0041397,-0.0010504,-0.0042342,-0.0046081,0.0077235,-0.0068601,0.0006946
Slavic:Ukrainian,0.1309273,0.1240867,0.0683506,0.0 575551,0.0376867,0.0212936,0.0087651,0.0113072,-0.002891,-0.0210999,-0.0016327,-0.0076594,0.0153563,0.0216328,-0.0112354,-0.0010965,0.0046903,-0.0006985,0.0025989,0.0017002,-0.0044989,-0.003479,0.0067387,-0.0040578,0.0007217
Slavic:Polish,0.1318405,0.1292694,0.0698685,0.0577 382,0.0406754,0.0217127,0.0086781,0.0108626,-0.0009329,-0.0185524,-0.0043488,-0.0064187,0.013093,0.0186295,-0.0070244,-0.0005595,0.0015455,-7.41e-05,0.0026948,0.0012872,-0.0031286,-0.0031185,0.0056063,-0.0033328,-8.76e-05
Germanic:Swedish,0.1340007,0.1283722,0.0715329,0.0 557909,0.0414202,0.0213225,0.006847,0.0089682,0.00 46947,-0.0067261,-0.004451,0.001635,-0.0048315,-0.0036907,0.0150773,0.0039838,-0.0074379,0.002004,0.003851,0.0046385,0.0064205,0. 0021357,0.0009244,0.0106969,-0.0002994
Germanic:Norwegian,0.1338234,0.1279567,0.0679357,0 .0534334,0.0386443,0.0210366,0.0041964,0.0062964,0 .0057267,0.0003906,-0.0037349,0.0036823,-0.007518,-0.011698,0.0210754,0.0093949,-0.0054203,0.0026061,0.0006823,0.0007503,0.005633,0 .0055643,0.0042784,0.0177304,0.0010947
British_Isles:English,0.1318551,0.137043,0.0617883 ,0.044013,0.0392299,0.0167481,0.0049845,0.0057448, 0.0052637,0.0056781,-0.0047691,0.0056161,-0.0125892,-0.0103507,0.0206153,0.0035521,-0.0103689,0.004094,0.003685,0.0029619,0.0059369,0. 0034036,-0.0032693,0.0137938,3.16e-05
British_Isles:Scottish,0.1314657,0.1342312,0.06226 54,0.0470426,0.039106,0.0172812,0.0035502,0.005175 6,0.0035719,0.0028246,-0.005614,0.0050473,-0.0116806,-0.0119731,0.023024,0.0031254,-0.0112549,0.0027736,0.0025499,0.0014516,0.0042246, 0.0033076,-0.0006559,0.0135561,-0.0007698
British_Isles:Irish,0.1334042,0.134875,0.0610876,0 .0482532,0.0383388,0.0188992,0.003,0.0047738,0.003 1318,0.002725,-0.00714,0.005606,-0.0143759,-0.0139278,0.0253478,0.0048208,-0.0110725,0.0022052,0.0007502,0.0013385,0.0051745, 0.0012249,-0.0003563,0.0147667,0.0010665
South_Euro:Spanish_La_Rioja,0.121791,0.152329,0.04 6763,-0.008398,0.053856,-0.010598,-0.00188,0.002308,0.027611,0.038816,-0.005359,0.005695,-0.016947,-0.014863,0.00665,0.013657,0.010561,-0.002407,-0.000628,5e-04,0.012977,0.002349,-0.002218,-0.009399,0.000838
South_Euro:Italian_Lazio,0.1146768,0.1525832,0.006 694,-0.0350455,0.0213115,-0.0115738,0.0024675,0.000519,0.0068512,0.0234627,0 .001299,0.0028475,-0.007656,-0.0070875,-0.0068538,0.0041432,-0.000228,-0.0005068,0.0018225,-0.005065,-0.002745,0.0033695,-0.0003697,-0.0003613,-0.000479
South_Euro:Greek,0.1188166,0.1432553,0.0110825,-0.0218181,0.0199441,-0.0057308,0.0018876,-0.0005657,0.0003365,0.0140615,0.0013253,0.0026783,-0.0031122,0.0055359,-0.0157304,0.0001284,0.0108639,-0.0001881,0.0054942,-0.0034169,-0.0075352,0.0016673,0.0023219,0.0006219,-0.0020898
Distance to: Karol_scaled
0.03867009 Slavic:Polish
0.04041298 Germanic:Swedish
0.04230724 Slavic:Ukrainian
0.04733057 Germanic:Norwegian
0.05381667 British_Isles:English
0.05428690 Slavic:Belarusian
0.05439831 British_Isles:Scottish
0.05742777 British_Isles:Irish
0.10052853 South_Euro:Spanish_La_Rioja
0.10972548 South_Euro:Greek
0.12705968 South_Euro:Italian_Lazio
Target: Karol_scaled
Distance: 2.7465% / 0.02746463
Aggregated
57.2 Slavic
29.6 Germanic
13.2 South_Euro
what does everyone else get with these pops as source?
This is my result.
Distance to: Grace_scaled
0.01875615 British_Isles:Irish
0.01963632 British_Isles:Scottish
0.02206228 British_Isles:English
0.02336456 Germanic:Norwegian
0.02659290 Germanic:Swedish
0.06462540 Slavic:Polish
0.07212042 Slavic:Ukrainian
0.08117515 Slavic:Belarusian
0.09722378 South_Euro:Spanish_La_Rioja
0.11562020 South_Euro:Greek
0.12480537 South_Euro:Italian_Lazio
Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 1.7457% / 0.01745670
Aggregated
74.4 British_Isles
25.6 Germanic
Distance to: Grace's mum_scaled
0.01700852 British_Isles:Irish
0.01830396 British_Isles:Scottish
0.02049081 British_Isles:English
0.02463593 Germanic:Norwegian
0.02866399 Germanic:Swedish
0.06645414 Slavic:Polish
0.07346202 Slavic:Ukrainian
0.08274150 Slavic:Belarusian
0.09713863 South_Euro:Spanish_La_Rioja
0.11213910 South_Euro:Greek
0.12104180 South_Euro:Italian_Lazio
Target: Grace's Mum_scaled
Distance: 1.6637% / 0.01663680
Aggregated
86.8 British_Isles
13.2 Germanic
HUN_Avar_Szolad are not proto-Slavs. I'm tired of central European egocentrism. Europe is the secondary settlement area of the Indo-Europeans. It’s time for everyone to remember the euro. All of Europe went from Russia. Slavs came from the territory of Russia. The Germans came from the territory of Russia. The west, the Europeans farther from their original DNA.
No they don't, imbecile. Slavs developed northeast from Carpathians and are first mentioned in Danubian regions by Roman writers. They were just immigrants to Russia, previously Baltic, Iranic and Finnic land.
Germans originate from southern Scandinavia. PIE=/proto Germans and proto-Slavs
Avar_Szolad samples are pure early Slavs from Panonnia. Sunghir from Russia is another decent early Slavic sample and he doesn't cluster with Russians.
Spare us your pathetic lies and fantasies.
I saw Leto photos and he is typical light pigmented northern (and eastern) European, absolutely nothing mongoloid about him.
Sunghir from Russia is another decent early Slavic sample and he doesn't cluster with Russians.
Well, he does. Russians can be various, I've noticed on TA only Northern Russians matter, especially those dubious academic samples like Pinega with 10-13% Siberian. Pinega is a super Northern isolated community, not representative at all. Sunghir scored 2% Mongoloid on GEDmatch by the way and he lived before the Mongol invasion.
Honestly I'm tired of the constant misrepresentation. The average Russian looks and racially is like Sergey Shoygu, the minister of defense. I got you, folks. :picard1:
J. Ketch
11-18-2019, 10:06 AM
just playing with G25
Slavic:Belarusian,0.1322625,0.1236239,0.0750219,0. 0695957,0.0402331,0.0265691,0.0107321,0.0133226,-0.0002727,-0.0246017,-0.0026957,-0.0092119,0.0193259,0.0272309,-0.0112647,-0.0038009,-0.0009647,0.0003717,0.0041397,-0.0010504,-0.0042342,-0.0046081,0.0077235,-0.0068601,0.0006946
Slavic:Ukrainian,0.1309273,0.1240867,0.0683506,0.0 575551,0.0376867,0.0212936,0.0087651,0.0113072,-0.002891,-0.0210999,-0.0016327,-0.0076594,0.0153563,0.0216328,-0.0112354,-0.0010965,0.0046903,-0.0006985,0.0025989,0.0017002,-0.0044989,-0.003479,0.0067387,-0.0040578,0.0007217
Slavic:Polish,0.1318405,0.1292694,0.0698685,0.0577 382,0.0406754,0.0217127,0.0086781,0.0108626,-0.0009329,-0.0185524,-0.0043488,-0.0064187,0.013093,0.0186295,-0.0070244,-0.0005595,0.0015455,-7.41e-05,0.0026948,0.0012872,-0.0031286,-0.0031185,0.0056063,-0.0033328,-8.76e-05
Germanic:Swedish,0.1340007,0.1283722,0.0715329,0.0 557909,0.0414202,0.0213225,0.006847,0.0089682,0.00 46947,-0.0067261,-0.004451,0.001635,-0.0048315,-0.0036907,0.0150773,0.0039838,-0.0074379,0.002004,0.003851,0.0046385,0.0064205,0. 0021357,0.0009244,0.0106969,-0.0002994
Germanic:Norwegian,0.1338234,0.1279567,0.0679357,0 .0534334,0.0386443,0.0210366,0.0041964,0.0062964,0 .0057267,0.0003906,-0.0037349,0.0036823,-0.007518,-0.011698,0.0210754,0.0093949,-0.0054203,0.0026061,0.0006823,0.0007503,0.005633,0 .0055643,0.0042784,0.0177304,0.0010947
British_Isles:English,0.1318551,0.137043,0.0617883 ,0.044013,0.0392299,0.0167481,0.0049845,0.0057448, 0.0052637,0.0056781,-0.0047691,0.0056161,-0.0125892,-0.0103507,0.0206153,0.0035521,-0.0103689,0.004094,0.003685,0.0029619,0.0059369,0. 0034036,-0.0032693,0.0137938,3.16e-05
British_Isles:Scottish,0.1314657,0.1342312,0.06226 54,0.0470426,0.039106,0.0172812,0.0035502,0.005175 6,0.0035719,0.0028246,-0.005614,0.0050473,-0.0116806,-0.0119731,0.023024,0.0031254,-0.0112549,0.0027736,0.0025499,0.0014516,0.0042246, 0.0033076,-0.0006559,0.0135561,-0.0007698
British_Isles:Irish,0.1334042,0.134875,0.0610876,0 .0482532,0.0383388,0.0188992,0.003,0.0047738,0.003 1318,0.002725,-0.00714,0.005606,-0.0143759,-0.0139278,0.0253478,0.0048208,-0.0110725,0.0022052,0.0007502,0.0013385,0.0051745, 0.0012249,-0.0003563,0.0147667,0.0010665
South_Euro:Spanish_La_Rioja,0.121791,0.152329,0.04 6763,-0.008398,0.053856,-0.010598,-0.00188,0.002308,0.027611,0.038816,-0.005359,0.005695,-0.016947,-0.014863,0.00665,0.013657,0.010561,-0.002407,-0.000628,5e-04,0.012977,0.002349,-0.002218,-0.009399,0.000838
South_Euro:Italian_Lazio,0.1146768,0.1525832,0.006 694,-0.0350455,0.0213115,-0.0115738,0.0024675,0.000519,0.0068512,0.0234627,0 .001299,0.0028475,-0.007656,-0.0070875,-0.0068538,0.0041432,-0.000228,-0.0005068,0.0018225,-0.005065,-0.002745,0.0033695,-0.0003697,-0.0003613,-0.000479
South_Euro:Greek,0.1188166,0.1432553,0.0110825,-0.0218181,0.0199441,-0.0057308,0.0018876,-0.0005657,0.0003365,0.0140615,0.0013253,0.0026783,-0.0031122,0.0055359,-0.0157304,0.0001284,0.0108639,-0.0001881,0.0054942,-0.0034169,-0.0075352,0.0016673,0.0023219,0.0006219,-0.0020898
Distance to: Karol_scaled
0.03867009 Slavic:Polish
0.04041298 Germanic:Swedish
0.04230724 Slavic:Ukrainian
0.04733057 Germanic:Norwegian
0.05381667 British_Isles:English
0.05428690 Slavic:Belarusian
0.05439831 British_Isles:Scottish
0.05742777 British_Isles:Irish
0.10052853 South_Euro:Spanish_La_Rioja
0.10972548 South_Euro:Greek
0.12705968 South_Euro:Italian_Lazio
Target: Karol_scaled
Distance: 2.7465% / 0.02746463
Aggregated
57.2 Slavic
29.6 Germanic
13.2 South_Euro
what does everyone else get with these pops as source?
Target: CreodaDad_scaled
Distance: 2.3644% / 0.02364429
Aggregated
92.2 British_Isles
7.8 Slavic
Target: Creoda_scaled
Distance: 1.8479% / 0.01847902
Aggregated
98.4 British_Isles
0.8 Slavic
0.8 Germanic
Target: CreodaMum_scaled
Distance: 1.7130% / 0.01713032
Aggregated
65.0 Germanic
24.0 British_Isles
11.0 South_Euro
I doubt that western poles are more slavic than croats since they have lot of germanic influence. Even sorbs in Germany are more slvaic than western poles.
Western Poles have lot of Germanic influence, true. Bu they are still more Slavic. Sorbs are very pure Slavic for minority living in Germany for so long.
No they don't, imbecile. Slavs developed northeast from Carpathians and are first mentioned in Danubian regions by Roman writers. They were just immigrants to Russia, previously Baltic, Iranic and Finnic land.
Germans originate from southern Scandinavia. PIE=/proto Germans and proto-Slavs
Avar_Szolad samples are pure early Slavs from Panonnia. Sunghir from Russia is another decent early Slavic sample and he doesn't cluster with Russians.
Spare us your pathetic lies and fantasies.
The early Slavs are residents of Kiev culture - from Kiev to Orel. Try to prove the opposite. This fact is not beneficial for you, because Croats are not Slavs at all and in eastern Europe this is the main version. The southern Russians of Orel, Kursk are purebred Slavs and I will prove this in a separate topic based on the G25. The only minor admixture in southern Russians is the Alans. Eastern Ukrainians do not have this. This proves the antiquity of the southern Russians and their primacy to the Ukrainians.
Grace O'Malley
11-18-2019, 10:13 AM
Target: CreodaDad_scaled
Distance: 2.3644% / 0.02364429
Aggregated
92.2 British_Isles
7.8 Slavic
Target: Creoda_scaled
Distance: 1.8479% / 0.01847902
Aggregated
98.4 British_Isles
0.8 Slavic
0.8 Germanic
Target: CreodaMum_scaled
Distance: 1.7130% / 0.01713032
Aggregated
65.0 Germanic
24.0 British_Isles
11.0 South_Euro
That's an odd result for you Dad?
Blondie
11-18-2019, 10:14 AM
Western Poles have lot of Germanic influence, true. Bu they are still more Slavic. Sorbs are very pure Slavic for minority living in Germany for so long.
Yes western poles are slavs, and east germans are germans doesn't matter their some slavic/german influence.
The early Slavs are residents of Kiev culture - from Kiev to Orel. Try to prove the opposite. This fact is not beneficial for you, because Croats are not Slavs at all and in eastern Europe this is the main version. The southern Russians of Orel, Kursk are purebred Slavs and I will prove this in a separate topic based on the G25. The only minor admixture in southern Russians is the Alans. Eastern Ukrainians do not have this. This proves the antiquity of the southern Russians and their primacy to the Ukrainians.
I don't care for your lies, complexed fuck. Nobody is disputing southern Russians are very Slavic. Ukrainians are the same except Carpathian ones.
Croats are more than half Slavic and there is nothing you can do about it, loser. Central Russians have Finnic pull but smaller than northern Russians.
Will you go cry now?
Well, he does. Russians can be various, I've noticed on TA only Northern Russians matter, especially those dubious academic samples like Pinega with 10-13% Siberian. Pinega is a super Northern isolated community, not representative at all. Sunghir scored 2% Mongoloid on GEDmatch by the way and he lived before the Mongol invasion.
Honestly I'm tired of the constant misrepresentation. The average Russian looks and racially is like Sergey Shoygu, the minister of defense. I got you, folks. :picard1:
Is Finnic admixture seen as subhuman in Russia? I am very fond of our Illyrian blood because it gives us legitimacy and connection with the land we live.
Sunghir first matches were Ukrainian and Polish. But even he had little local admixture. Vbnetkio's opinion.
Arhat's wife is mostly Central Russian (75% Ivanovo/Vladimir), he expected her to be more 'Finno-Ugric' but she turned out to be very 'Slavic'
Dodecad K12b
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_European 57.87
2 Atlantic_Med 21.05
3 Caucasus 12.6
4 Gedrosia 5.15
5 Siberian 2.74
6 South_Asian 0.58
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Polish (Dodecad) 7.44
2 Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) 8.62
3 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 8.85
4 Russian (Dodecad) 10.83
5 Hungarians (Behar) 11.41
6 Mordovians (Yunusbayev) 11.57
7 Belorussian (Behar) 11.74
8 Russian_B (Behar) 11.97
9 Russian (HGDP) 12.78
10 German (Dodecad) 14.98
11 Swedish (Dodecad) 15.38
12 Lithuanian (Dodecad) 17.12
13 Norwegian (Dodecad) 18.36
14 FIN30 (1000Genomes) 19.75
15 Lithuanians (Behar) 20.22
16 Finnish (Dodecad) 21.36
17 Dutch (Dodecad) 22.04
18 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 22.08
19 Chuvashs (Behar) 23.83
20 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 24.65
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 56.6% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) + 43.4% German (Dodecad) @ 2.09
2 65.2% Russian_B (Behar) + 34.8% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 2.39
3 55.8% Russian_B (Behar) + 44.2% German (Dodecad) @ 2.66
4 58.5% Russian (Dodecad) + 41.5% German (Dodecad) @ 2.91
5 66.2% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) + 33.8% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 2.97
6 72.7% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) + 27.3% French (HGDP) @ 2.98
7 65.3% Russian_B (Behar) + 34.7% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 2.99
8 82% Russian (Dodecad) + 18% Andalucia (1000Genomes) @ 3.09
9 68.4% Russian_B (Behar) + 31.6% Kent (1000Genomes) @ 3.1
10 71.6% Russian_B (Behar) + 28.4% French (Dodecad) @ 3.11
Eurogenes K15
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 28.53
2 Eastern_Euro 21.1
3 North_Sea 19.39
4 Atlantic 17.27
5 West_Asian 7.32
6 West_Med 4.04
7 Siberian 1.01
8 South_Asian 0.59
9 Amerindian 0.47
10 Northeast_African 0.23
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Ukrainian_Belgorod 3.68
2 Russian_Smolensk 3.79
3 Southwest_Russian 3.91
4 Polish 5.1
5 South_Polish 5.44
6 Estonian_Polish 5.49
7 Belorussian 5.55
8 Ukrainian 6.7
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 7.26
10 Lithuanian 8.73
11 Estonian 8.74
12 Kargopol_Russian 8.83
13 Croatian 10.63
14 Erzya 10.97
15 East_Finnish 11.98
16 Moldavian 12.66
17 Finnish 12.76
18 Southwest_Finnish 13.41
19 Hungarian 13.58
20 Austrian 14.5
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 91.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 8.6% Irish @ 2.69
2 90.1% Estonian_Polish + 9.9% Chechen @ 2.69
3 91.6% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 8.4% West_Scottish @ 2.71
4 92.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 7.9% Orcadian @ 2.72
5 89.7% Estonian_Polish + 10.3% Tabassaran @ 2.75
6 90% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 10% North_German @ 2.75
7 84.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 15.7% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.76
8 91.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 8.8% North_Dutch @ 2.78
9 91.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 8.2% Southeast_English @ 2.79
10 91.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 8.9% Danish @ 2.79
Eurogenes K13
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 46.86
2 North_Atlantic 26.96
3 West_Asian 9.18
4 West_Med 9.16
5 East_Med 3.41
6 Siberian 1.98
7 Amerindian 1
8 South_Asian 0.68
9 Northeast_African 0.56
10 East_Asian 0.2
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Ukrainian_Belgorod 2.89
2 Southwest_Russian 3.55
3 Russian_Smolensk 4.11
4 Polish 5.2
5 Ukrainian 5.28
6 Estonian_Polish 5.33
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 6.07
8 Belorussian 6.14
9 South_Polish 6.73
10 Kargopol_Russian 6.8
11 Lithuanian 8.41
12 Erzya 8.63
13 Estonian 9.24
14 Finnish 11.08
15 East_Finnish 11.51
16 Croatian 12.13
17 Southwest_Finnish 12.85
18 Moldavian 14.55
19 Hungarian 15.85
20 East_German 17.1
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 10.5% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.47
2 75.6% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 24.4% Polish @ 2.48
3 85.9% Lithuanian + 14.1% Balkar @ 2.51
4 86.8% Lithuanian + 13.2% Ossetian @ 2.53
5 94% Russian_Smolensk + 6% North_Ossetian @ 2.53
6 93.6% Russian_Smolensk + 6.4% Kabardin @ 2.54
7 93.8% Russian_Smolensk + 6.2% Balkar @ 2.54
8 82.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 17.8% Kargopol_Russian @ 2.54
9 97.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 2.7% French_Basque @ 2.55
10 93.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 6.7% North_Swedish @ 2.56
MDLP K23b
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 51.87
2 Caucasian 28.65
3 European_Early_Farmers 8.18
4 Ancestral_Altaic 3.79
5 South_Central_Asian 2.92
6 East_Siberian 2.71
7 South_East_Asian 1.11
8 Austronesian 0.62
9 East_African 0.1
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Belarusian-East ( ) 2.95
2 Russian_South ( ) 3.26
3 Ukrainian_East ( ) 3.49
4 Russian-West ( ) 3.79
5 Belarusian_West ( ) 3.89
6 Ukrainian_Center ( ) 3.9
7 Don_cossack ( ) 3.96
8 Ukrainian ( ) 4.22
9 Russian_North ( ) 4.24
10 Ukrainian_West ( ) 4.92
EUtest
# Population Percent
1 SOUTH_BALTIC 31.17
2 EAST_EURO 22.79
3 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 17.73
4 ATLANTIC 11.26
5 EAST_MED 6.01
6 WEST_MED 5.67
7 WEST_ASIAN 3.72
8 SIBERIAN 1.64
Least-squares method.
Using 1 population approximation:
1 UA @ 3.562975
2 Ukrainian-Russian @ 3.937255
3 Belorussian @ 5.070779
4 PL @ 5.488837
5 West_Russian @ 5.588319
6 Northwest_Russian @ 7.407196
7 EE @ 9.768656
8 LIT @ 10.073221
9 East_Russian @ 11.680108
10 North_Russian @ 12.952038
11 East_Finnish @ 13.776624
12 Erzya @ 14.409942
13 South_Finnish @ 14.759836
14 HU @ 16.093931
15 AT @ 20.642174
16 North_Swedish @ 21.222385
17 Serbian @ 21.426893
18 Komi @ 21.478735
19 Udmurt @ 22.265381
20 RO @ 23.974693
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% UA +50% Ukrainian-Russian @ 3.135222
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% UA +25% Ukrainian-Russian +25% Ukrainian-Russian @ 3.135222
Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Belorussian + UA + UA + Ukrainian-Russian @ 3.026194
2 Belorussian + UA + Ukrainian-Russian + Ukrainian-Russian @ 3.110970
3 UA + UA + Ukrainian-Russian + Ukrainian-Russian @ 3.135222
4 UA + UA + UA + Ukrainian-Russian @ 3.199595
5 LIT + LIT + Serbian + Ukrainian-Russian @ 3.258981
6 Northwest_Russian + UA + UA + Ukrainian-Russian @ 3.260028
7 Belorussian + UA + UA + UA @ 3.281661
8 LIT + Northwest_Russian + Northwest_Russian + Serbian @ 3.328330
9 Northwest_Russian + UA + UA + UA @ 3.357999
10 Belorussian + LIT + Northwest_Russian + Serbian @ 3.365406
Peterski has german Y haplogroup not slavic just saying...
He actually has Celtic haplogroup, and type of Celtic that is dominant in Spain and Portugal.
Lemgrant
11-18-2019, 10:26 AM
This fact is not beneficial for you, because Croats are not Slavs at all and in eastern Europe this is the main version.
:rotfl: what the hell? pure troll
I don't care for your lies, complexed fuck. Nobody is disputing southern Russians are very Slavic. Ukrainians are the same except Carpathian ones.
Croats are more than half Slavic and there is nothing you can do about it, loser. Central Russians have Finnic pull but smaller than northern Russians.
Will you go cry now?
Central Russians are identical to southern Russians. Try to accept this if you do not understand the subject. The fact is that in 2014 the work of a group of researchers was published, where samples of northern Russians from Kostroma and Kargopol were included in the sample of central Russians. Can your autistic brain understand this? Therefore, in the PCA, the reference point of the central Russians departs from the southern Russians to the north. If these Russians from Kostroma and Kargopol are excluded from the central Russians, then the central Russians become identical to the southern Russians. The ugly Croatian troll dinarid in knitted socks.
Is Finnic admixture seen as subhuman in Russia? I am very fond of our Illyrian blood because it gives us legitimacy and connection with the land we live.
Sunghir first matches were Ukrainian and Polish. But even he had little local admixture. Vbnetkio's opinion.
In Russia opinions vary. Most people are quite ignorant and being mixed is seen by many as a sign of strength. Usually it's hateful people who would try to use that as an insult ('you are not Slavs, you are a mix of Finns and Tatars'). That's ridiculous of course. And of course on the Internet there is a number of 'Aryanists', Perunists and other lunatics, they would claim Russians are 100% Aryan. I personally try to be objective. I can't say I'm a fan of my minor Mongoloid, I'd rather be like Peterski or Lukasz by DNA if I were to choose, but I can finely live with what I have. Race or blood is not something we can choose, God makes us what we are but we can choose our path in life.
Blondie
11-18-2019, 10:30 AM
He actually has Celtic haplogroup, and type of Celtic that is dominant in Spain and Portugal.
Celts are important part of german ethnicity, germans are celto-germanic, his haplogroup came from germans that's pretty clear.
:rotfl: what the hell? pure troll
Good. I am wrong. Croats are Slavs. Because identity is not determined by DNA.
But that’s their question, I don’t care about the Croats. Personally, I do not consider them Slavs and this is my right. Because I define the Slavs not by language, but by genetics and culture.
:rotfl: what the hell? pure troll
He is obviously mentally ill, best to put him on ignore.
Celts are important part of german ethnicity, germans are celto-germanic, his haplogroup came from germans that's pretty clear.
Probably. But there were some Celts in SW Poland as well. In any case, he has lot of Germanic autosomal admixture but is still mostly Slavic.
People speak about Slavic influence in east Germans but forget to speak about Germanic influence in western Poles and Czechs...
In Russia opinions vary. Most people are quite ignorant and being mixed is seen by many as a sign of strength. Usually it's hateful people who would try to use that as an insult ('you are not Slavs, you are a mix of Finns and Tatars'). That's ridiculous of course. And of course on the Internet there is a number of 'Aryanists', Perunists and other lunatics, they would claim Russians are 100% Aryan. I personally try to be objective. I can't say I'm a fan of my minor Mongoloid, I'd rather be like Peterski or Lukasz by DNA if I were to choose, but I can finely live with what I have. Race or blood is not something we can choose, God makes us what we are but we can choose our path in life.
What a notorious Mongoloid you are. Poles are mainly a mixture of Slavs and southern Europeans. What is so good about it? Why is it better to have a Balkan admixture than Finnish? Finns are laughing at you ...
PS I do not say that Russian is 100% Aryans. I say that the southern Russians are closest to the Proto-Slavs. It was this fact that caused an explosion of asses among the southern Slavs here. We have a Finnish admixture and Alan and Baltic. We have little admixture of the Balkans, so our faces are farther north than the Poles. The fact that we got 1-3% of the Siberian admixture from the Finns is not a black mark. You are so notorious that you are giving up your true Slavic identity in favor of the Polish Balkanid. A shame.:picard1:
Grace O'Malley
11-18-2019, 10:48 AM
He actually has Celtic haplogroup, and type of Celtic that is dominant in Spain and Portugal.
Bell Beaker spread DF27 not necessarily Celtic. The Bell Beakers spread these R1b clades. :) Celts came later. Some DF27 is in areas that aren't Celtic for instance. It is quite possible that Peterski has DF27 from ancestors in Poland. All the Bell Beakers were from the east anyway but I'm sure you know this. I don't know if he has done something like the Big Y yet?
J. Ketch
11-18-2019, 10:49 AM
That's an odd result for you Dad?
The Slavic? He gets some Baltic / NE Euro like that in many calculators.
His G25 full moderns breakdown
Target: CreodaDad_scaled
Distance: 2.1931% / 0.02193102
Aggregated
61.0 Orcadian
33.2 Icelandic
3.8 Lithuanian_PZ
1.2 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.6 English_Cornwall
0.2 Biaka
Ancients
Target: CreodaDad_scaled
Distance: 1.9727% / 0.01972710
Aggregated
27.8 England_Roman
22.2 DEU_BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN
21.0 England_EMBA
12.6 SWE_IA
5.8 Baltic_LTU_Late_Antiquity_low_res
5.8 Iberia_North_IA
2.4 Iberia_North_CA
1.0 Wales_CA_EBA
0.8 Bell_Beaker_HUN_EBA_o
0.6 ITA_Boville_Ernica_Latini_IA
K15 mixed mode
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89.3% West_Scottish + 10.7% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.46
2 93.5% West_Scottish + 6.5% Estonian @ 2.51
3 94.4% West_Scottish + 5.6% Kargopol_Russian @ 2.51
4 93.2% West_Scottish + 6.8% East_Finnish @ 2.52
5 94.3% West_Scottish + 5.7% Estonian_Polish @ 2.52
6 95% West_Scottish + 5% Lithuanian @ 2.56
7 94.5% West_Scottish + 5.5% Belorussian @ 2.56
8 95.3% West_Scottish + 4.7% Erzya @ 2.56
9 93.7% West_Scottish + 6.3% Polish @ 2.58
10 92.3% West_Scottish + 7.7% Finnish @ 2.6
11 94.9% West_Scottish + 5.1% Southwest_Russian @ 2.62
12 94.7% West_Scottish + 5.3% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.63
13 95.2% West_Scottish + 4.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.66
14 87.7% West_Scottish + 12.3% North_Swedish @ 2.66
15 94.4% West_Scottish + 5.6% La_Brana-1 @ 2.73
16 97% West_Scottish + 3% Chuvash @ 2.74
17 94.8% West_Scottish + 5.2% South_Polish @ 2.74
18 97.5% West_Scottish + 2.5% Mari @ 2.76
19 95.3% West_Scottish + 4.7% Ukrainian @ 2.77
20 64.7% West_Scottish + 35.3% Danish @ 2.79
K36 breakdown
2. FULL TABLE nMONTE" (estimated percentages)
"distance%=0.471"
Scotland,40.8
Mecklenburg-Vorpommern,26
NL_Utrecht,17.2
Sachsen-Anhalt,6
Oberland(western_Ost_Preussen),4.2
Ireland,3
NW_England,1.2
Sathmarer_Schwaben,0.6
Mordva_Moksha,0.4
Pl_Upper_Silesia,0.2
Ukraine_Cherkassy,0.2
Ukraine_NE,0.2
nMonte3 with penalization=0
"distance%=0.4486"
Scotland,60.6
Mecklenburg-Vorpommern,16.2
Sachsen-Anhalt,11.2
Oberland(western_Ost_Preussen),7.4
Latvia_north-eastern,3
País_Vasco,1.2
Latvia_general,0.4
targeted nMonte3 (without Scotland and with penalization=0)
"distance%=0.5685"
NW_England,61.8
Ireland,22
Latvia_north-eastern,7.4
Iceland,4.6
Mordva_Moksha,4
Northern_Ireland,0.2
https://i.postimg.cc/tJZDzSNV/k36dad.jpg
Doubt it means any Balto-Slavic ancestry though.
Blondie
11-18-2019, 10:52 AM
seit wann ist 80% gleich 100% oder kannst einfach ned lesen? Ostdeutschen sind durchschnittlich über 50% slawisch von Herkunft, wenn wir das betrachten dann ist es nicht so schwer zu glauben, dass Westpolen ungefähr +80% slawisch ist.
Das gesamte Deutschland war vorerst von der Urnenfelderkultur besiedelt. In Norddeutschland die Nördliche Urnenfelderkultur, Mittel- und Süddeutschland die Zentrale Urnenfelderkultur. Wie der Name schon sagt, beerdigte diese ihre Toten in Urnen. Die angehörigen dieser Kultur waren frühe Kelten. Ja, frühe Kelten lebten sogar in Norddeutschland, jedoch kann man hier nur von Präh-Kelten bzw. Proto-Germanen sprechen.
Die Kelten waren also der Grundstock der Deutschen. Jedoch wanderte ein großer Teil dieser frühen Kelten Richtung Norddeutschland(1000-800 v.Chr.). Sie vermischten sich mit den Einheimischen und ihre Sprache dominierte. Aus dem Keltischen löste sich ein Dialekt aus dem das Gemeingermanische wurde.
Aus der Hallstatt-Kultur lösten sich die Harpstedt-Nienburgerkultur und die Jastorf-Kultur unter Einfluß der Nordischen Kultur. Aus beiden Kulturen entwickelte sich die germanische Kultur. Jedoch darf man sie nicht als ein geschlossenes Volk betrachten. Sie bestanden aus unzähligen Stämmen. Deswegen und auch wegen der Sprache war es schwer Kelten und Germanen zu unterscheiden. Genetische Untersuchungen zeigen heute, das Kelten mit den Germanen tatsächlich enger verwandt sind als man in älterer Forschung annahm.
In Deutschland siedelten Kelten vorwiegend im Süd- und Mitteldeutschland vereinzelt auch weiter im Norden, besonders im Westen, wie auch in der Niederlande. Sie lebten teilweise in selben Gebieten mit den Germanen, weshalb es sie auch so schlecht zu unterscheiden waren. Sie trieben Handel miteinander und brachten sich zum gegenseitigen Fortschritt. Z.B. ist es tatsächlich nachgewiesen, das manche germanische Stämme wie z.B. die Chamaven in Grenzregionen Oppidaartige Siedlungen bauten. Die Germanen siedelten außerdem bis in das südliche Dänemark. Zwar zählt man den Nordischen Kulturkreis zu den Nordgermanen, doch dies wird nur sprachlich untermauert. Man sieht die Nordischen Stämme mittlerweile als eigenständige Kultur und Ethnie.
Also in Deutschland siedelten Kelten und Germanen (siehe auch Gallogermanisches Mittelalter). Ab dem 11. Jahrhundert kam die slawische Invasion, weshalb viele Ostdeutsche noch von den Slawen abstammen. Die Sorben sind eine Minderheit, in der sich die slawischen Kultur und Sprache noch erhalten hat. Da das Gebiet im Endeffekt schon immer Schmelztiegel war, kannst du davon ausgehen, dass sich die Leute vermischt haben. Auch wen es genetisch nicht unbedingt beweisbar ist erkenne ich sofort ob jemand Pole oder Deutscher ist, ohne ihn gehört zu haben. Germanische Gesichter haben schärfere, "härtere", eckigere Gesichtszüge, slawische wirken eher weicher, runder, unakzentuierter.
Grace O'Malley
11-18-2019, 11:07 AM
The Slavic? He gets some Baltic / NE Euro like that in many calculators.
His G25 full moderns breakdown
Target: CreodaDad_scaled
Distance: 2.1931% / 0.02193102
Aggregated
61.0 Orcadian
33.2 Icelandic
3.8 Lithuanian_PZ
1.2 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.6 English_Cornwall
0.2 Biaka
Ancients
Target: CreodaDad_scaled
Distance: 1.9727% / 0.01972710
Aggregated
27.8 England_Roman
22.2 DEU_BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN
21.0 England_EMBA
12.6 SWE_IA
5.8 Baltic_LTU_Late_Antiquity_low_res
5.8 Iberia_North_IA
2.4 Iberia_North_CA
1.0 Wales_CA_EBA
0.8 Bell_Beaker_HUN_EBA_o
0.6 ITA_Boville_Ernica_Latini_IA
K15 mixed mode
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89.3% West_Scottish + 10.7% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.46
2 93.5% West_Scottish + 6.5% Estonian @ 2.51
3 94.4% West_Scottish + 5.6% Kargopol_Russian @ 2.51
4 93.2% West_Scottish + 6.8% East_Finnish @ 2.52
5 94.3% West_Scottish + 5.7% Estonian_Polish @ 2.52
6 95% West_Scottish + 5% Lithuanian @ 2.56
7 94.5% West_Scottish + 5.5% Belorussian @ 2.56
8 95.3% West_Scottish + 4.7% Erzya @ 2.56
9 93.7% West_Scottish + 6.3% Polish @ 2.58
10 92.3% West_Scottish + 7.7% Finnish @ 2.6
11 94.9% West_Scottish + 5.1% Southwest_Russian @ 2.62
12 94.7% West_Scottish + 5.3% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.63
13 95.2% West_Scottish + 4.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.66
14 87.7% West_Scottish + 12.3% North_Swedish @ 2.66
15 94.4% West_Scottish + 5.6% La_Brana-1 @ 2.73
16 97% West_Scottish + 3% Chuvash @ 2.74
17 94.8% West_Scottish + 5.2% South_Polish @ 2.74
18 97.5% West_Scottish + 2.5% Mari @ 2.76
19 95.3% West_Scottish + 4.7% Ukrainian @ 2.77
20 64.7% West_Scottish + 35.3% Danish @ 2.79
K36 breakdown
2. FULL TABLE nMONTE" (estimated percentages)
"distance%=0.471"
Scotland,40.8
Mecklenburg-Vorpommern,26
NL_Utrecht,17.2
Sachsen-Anhalt,6
Oberland(western_Ost_Preussen),4.2
Ireland,3
NW_England,1.2
Sathmarer_Schwaben,0.6
Mordva_Moksha,0.4
Pl_Upper_Silesia,0.2
Ukraine_Cherkassy,0.2
Ukraine_NE,0.2
nMonte3 with penalization=0
"distance%=0.4486"
Scotland,60.6
Mecklenburg-Vorpommern,16.2
Sachsen-Anhalt,11.2
Oberland(western_Ost_Preussen),7.4
Latvia_north-eastern,3
País_Vasco,1.2
Latvia_general,0.4
targeted nMonte3 (without Scotland and with penalization=0)
"distance%=0.5685"
NW_England,61.8
Ireland,22
Latvia_north-eastern,7.4
Iceland,4.6
Mordva_Moksha,4
Northern_Ireland,0.2
https://i.postimg.cc/tJZDzSNV/k36dad.jpg
Doubt it means any Balto-Slavic ancestry though.
I get those sort of results also but on these calcs it's unusual for the Slavic to be picked over Scandinavian.
Blondie
11-18-2019, 11:17 AM
People speak about Slavic influence in east Germans but forget to speak about Germanic influence in western Poles and Czechs...
Yes because that's all about propaganda not the reality, I've never seen any german user who created such "german genetic in poles" threads because we don't even care this shit, only slavs create such "slavic genetic here and there" threads every week with cherry picked individuals to be honest i don't know why. That's why most TA users have false pic about these german-slav mixed areas and they think west slavs are almost pure slavic just like east germans which is not true. I already put Peterski in my ignore list, but i think i will put Sche and this slovak user too. These propaganda arguments makes no sense and very boring after the 100. insult. Probably i also have some slavic genetic from my hungarian side but i have no problem with it.
Slavic Italian
11-18-2019, 12:47 PM
Yes because that's all about propaganda not the reality, I've never seen any german user who created such "german genetic in poles" threads because we don't even care this shit, only slavs create such "slavic genetic here and there" threads every week with cherry picked individuals to be honest i don't know why. That's why most TA users have false pic about these german-slav mixed areas and they think west slavs are almost pure slavic just like east germans which is not true. I already put Peterski in my ignore list, but i think i will put Sche and this slovak user too. These propaganda arguments makes no sense and very boring after the 100. insult. Probably i also have some slavic genetic from my hungarian side but i have no problem with it.
You put them on ignore because you are not strong enough to handle the truth?
Yes because that's all about propaganda not the reality, I've never seen any german user who created such "german genetic in poles" threads because we don't even care this shit, only slavs create such "slavic genetic here and there" threads every week with cherry picked individuals to be honest i don't know why. That's why most TA users have false pic about these german-slav mixed areas and they think west slavs are almost pure slavic just like east germans which is not true. I already put Peterski in my ignore list, but i think i will put Sche and this slovak user too. These propaganda arguments makes no sense and very boring after the 100. insult. Probably i also have some slavic genetic from my hungarian side but i have no problem with it.
АКСИС is fine, he is not a propagandist but good poster :)
Blondie
11-18-2019, 12:55 PM
You put them on ignore because you are not strong enough to handle the truth?
Which truth? I linked tons of autosomal maps, genetic maps about it, they don't even care only their cherry picked individuals. What should i write when they claim germans came from Russia? I don't care trolls and propagandist... I have better things to do.
Germanic languages being closer to Slavic than to Celtic is also one of more ridiculous lies posted here.
Blondie
11-18-2019, 01:06 PM
Germanic languages being closer to Slavic than to Celtic is also one of more ridiculous lies posted here.
This is what i said, they are trolls and propagandist, there's no need to argue with them.
Karol Klačansky
11-18-2019, 03:30 PM
Das gesamte Deutschland war vorerst von der Urnenfelderkultur besiedelt. In Norddeutschland die Nördliche Urnenfelderkultur, Mittel- und Süddeutschland die Zentrale Urnenfelderkultur. Wie der Name schon sagt, beerdigte diese ihre Toten in Urnen. Die angehörigen dieser Kultur waren frühe Kelten. Ja, frühe Kelten lebten sogar in Norddeutschland, jedoch kann man hier nur von Präh-Kelten bzw. Proto-Germanen sprechen.
Die Kelten waren also der Grundstock der Deutschen. Jedoch wanderte ein großer Teil dieser frühen Kelten Richtung Norddeutschland(1000-800 v.Chr.). Sie vermischten sich mit den Einheimischen und ihre Sprache dominierte. Aus dem Keltischen löste sich ein Dialekt aus dem das Gemeingermanische wurde.
Aus der Hallstatt-Kultur lösten sich die Harpstedt-Nienburgerkultur und die Jastorf-Kultur unter Einfluß der Nordischen Kultur. Aus beiden Kulturen entwickelte sich die germanische Kultur. Jedoch darf man sie nicht als ein geschlossenes Volk betrachten. Sie bestanden aus unzähligen Stämmen. Deswegen und auch wegen der Sprache war es schwer Kelten und Germanen zu unterscheiden. Genetische Untersuchungen zeigen heute, das Kelten mit den Germanen tatsächlich enger verwandt sind als man in älterer Forschung annahm.
In Deutschland siedelten Kelten vorwiegend im Süd- und Mitteldeutschland vereinzelt auch weiter im Norden, besonders im Westen, wie auch in der Niederlande. Sie lebten teilweise in selben Gebieten mit den Germanen, weshalb es sie auch so schlecht zu unterscheiden waren. Sie trieben Handel miteinander und brachten sich zum gegenseitigen Fortschritt. Z.B. ist es tatsächlich nachgewiesen, das manche germanische Stämme wie z.B. die Chamaven in Grenzregionen Oppidaartige Siedlungen bauten. Die Germanen siedelten außerdem bis in das südliche Dänemark. Zwar zählt man den Nordischen Kulturkreis zu den Nordgermanen, doch dies wird nur sprachlich untermauert. Man sieht die Nordischen Stämme mittlerweile als eigenständige Kultur und Ethnie.
Also in Deutschland siedelten Kelten und Germanen (siehe auch Gallogermanisches Mittelalter). Ab dem 11. Jahrhundert kam die slawische Invasion, weshalb viele Ostdeutsche noch von den Slawen abstammen. Die Sorben sind eine Minderheit, in der sich die slawischen Kultur und Sprache noch erhalten hat. Da das Gebiet im Endeffekt schon immer Schmelztiegel war, kannst du davon ausgehen, dass sich die Leute vermischt haben. Auch wen es genetisch nicht unbedingt beweisbar ist erkenne ich sofort ob jemand Pole oder Deutscher ist, ohne ihn gehört zu haben. Germanische Gesichter haben schärfere, "härtere", eckigere Gesichtszüge, slawische wirken eher weicher, runder, unakzentuierter.
Danke für das ausführliche Geschichteunterricht Deutschlands, aber wo ist der Widerspruch mit was ich gesagt habe? nähmlich, dass Ostdeutschland ungefahr 50% slawisch ist wenn es um Herkunft geht. Vllt sind die Stichproben von Peterski ein bisschen nach Östlich verzerrt aber warum klustere ich als 3/4 Slowaker 1/4 Amerikaner mit Ostdeutschen sehr oft oder nahe zu ihnen auf verschieden Rechnern wenn dass nicht der Fall wäre, weil meine slawische Herkunft schon bestätigt ist. Ich habe überhaupt keine Agenda hier, und es ist mir egal ob die Ostdeutschen ihre slawische Herkunft erkennen oder nicht. Ich bin auch ganz bewusst, dass Westslawen auch einen deutlichen germanischen Einfluss haben, es gibt nix zu schämen hier, sei stolz auf eure slawische Herkunft sowohl als auf eure Germanische und Kelitsche Herkunft.
Karol Klačansky
11-18-2019, 03:41 PM
АКСИС is fine, he is not a propagandist but good poster :)
Im only a bit over half slavic myself genetically, who cares about Propoganda, but Im tired of Western Europeans superiority complex. Germans and Austrians think they are smarter than everyone yet they had their countries destroyed due to their insecurity as nations and now talk bad about Eastern-central europeans even though America invested money in their countries to build them up after the war while Czechs, Slovaks, and Poles were sold to Russia and had to live under communism for 40 years.Now they think the reason for their success compared to former eastern block countries is due to their own capability as people, which is utter nonsense.
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