Why do Scythian samples found in Ukraine (and EE in general) plot European?

[ixulescu]

Shouldn't they plot majority Iranic?
When did the Scythians became predominantly European? Were they ever Iranic, or only had Iranic nomadic culture?

[Annihilus]

Shouldn't they plot majority Iranic?
When did the Scythians became predominantly European? Were they ever Iranic, or only had Iranic nomadic culture?

I don't hold the view Scythians were predominantly Iranic. There is a huge slav component that everyone ignores.

[War Chef]

Shouldn't they plot majority Iranic?
When did the Scythians became predominantly European? Were they ever Iranic, or only had Iranic nomadic culture?

West Scythians plot with Germans because they mixed with Goths & others.
Black Sea Scythians plot with Ukrainians because they mixed with Slavs.
Siberian Scythians plot with Kazakhs because they mixed with East-Eurasians.
etc.

[War Chef]

Shouldn't they plot majority Iranic?
When did the Scythians became predominantly European? Were they ever Iranic, or only had Iranic nomadic culture?

West Scythians plot with Germans because they mixed with Goths & others.
Black Sea Scythians plot with Ukrainians because they mixed with Slavs.
Siberian Scythians plot with Kazakhs because they mixed with East-Eurasians.
etc.

[ixulescu]

West Scythians plot with Germans because they mixed with Goths & others.
Black Sea Scythians plot with Ukrainians because they mixed with Slavs.
Siberian Scythians plot with Kazakhs because they mixed with East-Eurasians.
etc.

Ok, but here's my problem.
I want to know who the Scythians were before 1 AD. I know Scythians mixed with Slavs and Goths later on. But who were the Scythians and Sarmatians before that?

[vbnetkhio]

Shouldn't they plot majority Iranic?
When did the Scythians became predominantly European? Were they ever Iranic, or only had Iranic nomadic culture?

what's Iranic? modern Iranians? both Iranians ad Scythians originated somewhere in modern day Kazakhstan, migrated in different directions and mixed with different native populations. both lost their proto-Iranic genetics.

[ixulescu]

what's Iranic? modern Iranians? both Iranians ad Scythians originated somewhere in modern day Kazakhstan, migrated in different directions and mixed with different native populations. both lost their proto-Iranic genetics.

I don't care about modern Iranic.

But I'm interested to find out whether Scythians living in present day Ukraine 2500 years ago were mostly Iranic or European.

[Daos777]

I don't care about modern Iranic.

But I'm interested to find out whether Scythians living in present day Ukraine 2500 years ago were mostly Iranic or European.

They were sintashta. Who were genetically very related to the Yamnaya people but had some kind of southern shift probably a little more Caucasian input. Iranic is european. Todays Iranian speakers are obviously too mixed with the local populations from the areas that the original Iranic people migrated to, to be considered true “Iranic”.

My belief is that Slavs are the closest to this ancient Iranic type. There are many Iranic cognates in Slavic that isn’t just explained by the Scythian influence.




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[vbnetkhio]

I don't hold the view Scythians were predominantly Iranic. There is a huge slav component that everyone ignores.

Slavs were formed around 0 AD in the Zarubintsy culture, Scythians are much older than that.

[TheOldNorth]

Shouldn't they plot majority Iranic?
When did the Scythians became predominantly European? Were they ever Iranic, or only had Iranic nomadic culture?

No cause Iranian peoples mixed with natives of the lands they came too, the Scythians where basically the heirs of the indo-europeans

[vbnetkhio]

I don't care about modern Iranic.

But I'm interested to find out whether Scythians living in present day Ukraine 2500 years ago were mostly Iranic or European.

they can be modelled as Bronze age Hungarians, which were pretty similar to modern Hungarians + something more eastern, Sarmatian like.



[,1] [,2]
[1,] "27.6 % RUS_Progress_En + 72.4 % Scythian_HUN" "0.0094"
[2,] "48.3 % HUN_LBA + 51.7 % Sarmatian_RUS_Urals" "0.0096"
[3,] "47.6 % KAZ_Chanchar2_LBA + 52.4 % Scythian_HUN" "0.0098"
[4,] "26.8 % RUS_Vonyuchka_En + 73.2 % Scythian_HUN" "0.0101"
[5,] "59.3 % CZE_Early_Slav + 40.7 % KAZ_Molaly_LBA" "0.0101"
[6,] "53.1 % HUN_Avar_Szolad + 46.9 % KAZ_Kangju" "0.0103"
[7,] "49.9 % HUN_LBA + 50.1 % KAZ_Wusun" "0.0104"
[8,] "37.9 % HUN_Mako_EBA + 62.1 % Sarmatian_RUS_Urals" "0.0104"
[9,] "28.4 % RUS_Afanasievo + 71.6 % Scythian_HUN" "0.0105"
[10,] "49.5 % HUN_LBA + 50.5 % KAZ_Molaly_LBA" "0.0106"
[11,] "70.7 % Scythian_HUN + 29.3 % Yamnaya_RUS_Samara" "0.0106"
[12,] "30.1 % RUS_Poltavka + 69.9 % Scythian_HUN" "0.0106"
[13,] "68.9 % Scythian_HUN + 31.1 % Yamnaya_UKR" "0.0107"
[14,] "29.1 % RUS_Catacomb + 70.9 % Scythian_HUN" "0.0108"
[15,] "48.8 % HUN_LBA + 51.2 % KAZ_Kangju" "0.0108"
[16,] "30.3 % RUS_Kubano-Tersk + 69.7 % Scythian_HUN" "0.0108"
[17,] "70.1 % Scythian_HUN + 29.9 % Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia" "0.0109"
[18,] "37.6 % Anatolia_IA + 62.4 % Corded_Ware_Baltic" "0.0109"
[19,] "54.5 % HUN_Avar_Szolad + 45.5 % Saka_Tian_Shan" "0.0109"
[20,] "39.4 % HUN_Mako_EBA + 60.6 % KAZ_Wusun" "0.0111"
[21,] "51.2 % HUN_LBA + 48.8 % Sarmatian_RUS_Caspian_steppe" "0.0111"
[22,] "52 % HUN_LBA + 48 % Sarmatian_KAZ" "0.0112"
[23,] "73.1 % Scythian_HUN + 26.9 % Yamnaya_KAZ_Mereke" "0.0112"
[24,] "54.4 % HUN_Avar_Szolad + 45.6 % Hun_Tian_Shan" "0.0112"
[25,] "59.3 % CZE_Early_Slav + 40.7 % KAZ_Katon_Karagay_LBA" "0.0113"
[26,] "53.9 % HUN_Avar_Szolad + 46.1 % KAZ_Molaly_LBA" "0.0113"
[27,] "46.1 % Sarmatian_RUS_Urals + 53.9 % Scythian_HUN" "0.0114"
[28,] "69.1 % HUN_LBA + 30.9 % KGZ_Aigyrzhal_BA" "0.0114"
[29,] "38.2 % HUN_Mako_EBA + 61.8 % KAZ_Kangju" "0.0114"
[30,] "56.5 % HUN_Avar_Szolad + 43.5 % Scythian_Zevakino_Chilikta_IA" "0.0114"


or with modern populations:


[,1] [,2]
[1,] "Austrian" "0.019"
[2,] "Hungarian" "0.0198"
[3,] "German_East" "0.0204"
[4,] "Czech" "0.0204"
[5,] "Croatian" "0.0211"
[6,] "Tatar_Mishar" "0.0218"
[7,] "German" "0.0225"
[8,] "Tatar_Lipka" "0.0227"
[9,] "Slovakian" "0.0229"
[10,] "Slovenian" "0.0229"
[11,] "Tatar_Kazan" "0.0234"
[12,] "Polish" "0.0248"
[13,] "Bosnian" "0.0249"
[14,] "Turkish_Balkans" "0.0253"
[15,] "Swedish" "0.0255"
[16,] "Mordovian" "0.0255"
[17,] "Montenegrin" "0.0261"
[18,] "Ingrian" "0.0262"
[19,] "Finnish" "0.0264"
[20,] "Russian_Kostroma" "0.0267"
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "67 % Czech + 33 % Tajik_Shugnan" "0.0113"
[2,] "66.2 % Czech + 33.8 % Tajik_Rushan" "0.0113"
[3,] "67.9 % Czech + 32.1 % Tajik_Ishkashim" "0.0113"
[4,] "67.3 % Hungarian + 32.7 % Tajik_Rushan" "0.0117"
[5,] "68.2 % German_East + 31.8 % Tajik_Ishkashim" "0.0118"
[6,] "68.2 % Hungarian + 31.8 % Tajik_Shugnan" "0.0118"
[7,] "66.1 % Croatian + 33.9 % Tajik_Shugnan" "0.0118"
[8,] "67.4 % German_East + 32.6 % Tajik_Shugnan" "0.0118"
[9,] "65.3 % Croatian + 34.7 % Tajik_Rushan" "0.0119"
[10,] "69.2 % Hungarian + 30.8 % Tajik_Ishkashim" "0.0119"
[11,] "62.8 % Slovakian + 37.2 % Tajik_Rushan" "0.0119"
[12,] "66.6 % German_East + 33.4 % Tajik_Rushan" "0.012"
[13,] "69.1 % Austrian + 30.9 % Tajik_Rushan" "0.012"
[14,] "70.9 % Austrian + 29.1 % Tajik_Ishkashim" "0.0121"
[15,] "61.2 % Polish + 38.8 % Tajik_Shugnan" "0.0121"
[16,] "62.8 % Slovenian + 37.2 % Tajik_Rushan" "0.0121"
[17,] "66 % Czech + 34 % Tajik" "0.0121"
[18,] "70 % Austrian + 30 % Tajik_Shugnan" "0.0121"
[19,] "60.3 % Polish + 39.7 % Tajik_Rushan" "0.0122"
[20,] "67.3 % Croatian + 32.7 % Tajik_Ishkashim" "0.0122"
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "50% % German + 50% % Tatar_Lipka" "0.0154"
[2,] "50% % German + 50% % Tatar_Kazan" "0.0157"
[3,] "50% % Estonian + 50% % Turkmen" "0.0159"
[4,] "50% % Lithuanian_PA + 50% % Tajik" "0.0159"
[5,] "50% % Estonian + 50% % Tajik" "0.0159"
[6,] "50% % Ingrian + 50% % Turkish_Balkans" "0.016"
[7,] "50% % Slovakian + 50% % Tatar_Lipka" "0.016"
[8,] "50% % German + 50% % Tatar_Mishar" "0.0161"
[9,] "50% % Lithuanian_PA + 50% % Turkmen" "0.0162"
[10,] "50% % Lithuanian_VA + 50% % Tajik_Shugnan" "0.0163"
[11,] "50% % Finnish + 50% % Turkish_Balkans" "0.0164"
[12,] "50% % French_Nord + 50% % Russian_Kursk" "0.0165"
[13,] "50% % Belarusian + 50% % Tajik" "0.0165"
[14,] "50% % Russian_Smolensk + 50% % Tajik" "0.0166"
[15,] "50% % Swedish + 50% % Turkish_Balkans" "0.0167"
[16,] "50% % Estonian + 50% % Uzbek" "0.0168"
[17,] "50% % French_Alsace + 50% % Mordovian" "0.0169"
[18,] "50% % French_Nord + 50% % Russian_Orel" "0.0169"
[19,] "50% % Mordovian + 50% % Swedish" "0.017"
[20,] "50% % Slovenian + 50% % Tatar_Kazan" "0.017"

[Annihilus]

Slavs were formed around 0 AD in the Zarubintsy culture, Scythians are much older than that.

Proto-slavs then. In any case scythians and slavs overlap to a great extent.

[TheOldNorth]

Proto-slavs then. In any case scythians and slavs overlap to a great extent.

Genetically, maybe, linguistically barley, Balto-Slavic and Indo-Iranian are closer too each other then any other but still very distant

[War Chef]

Ok, but here's my problem.
I want to know who the Scythians were before 1 AD. I know Scythians mixed with Slavs and Goths later on. But who were the Scythians and Sarmatians before that?

One of the guys I match with (https://i.imgur.com/0xihTSH.png) ..........
LS13 Early Sarmatian Russia (550 BC):

1. East_Finnish (16.93)
2. Czech (18.26)
3. Finnish (18.44)
4. Southwest_Finnish (18.49)
5. Kargopol_Russian (19.06)
6. North_Swedish (20.80)
7. East_German (20.98)
8. South_Polish (21.02)

[War Chef]

they can be modelled as Bronze age Hungarians, which were pretty similar to modern Hungarians + something more eastern, Sarmatian like.



[,1] [,2]
[1,] "27.6 % RUS_Progress_En + 72.4 % Scythian_HUN" "0.0094"
[2,] "48.3 % HUN_LBA + 51.7 % Sarmatian_RUS_Urals" "0.0096"
[3,] "47.6 % KAZ_Chanchar2_LBA + 52.4 % Scythian_HUN" "0.0098"
[4,] "26.8 % RUS_Vonyuchka_En + 73.2 % Scythian_HUN" "0.0101"
[5,] "59.3 % CZE_Early_Slav + 40.7 % KAZ_Molaly_LBA" "0.0101"
[6,] "53.1 % HUN_Avar_Szolad + 46.9 % KAZ_Kangju" "0.0103"
[7,] "49.9 % HUN_LBA + 50.1 % KAZ_Wusun" "0.0104"
[8,] "37.9 % HUN_Mako_EBA + 62.1 % Sarmatian_RUS_Urals" "0.0104"
[9,] "28.4 % RUS_Afanasievo + 71.6 % Scythian_HUN" "0.0105"
[10,] "49.5 % HUN_LBA + 50.5 % KAZ_Molaly_LBA" "0.0106"
[11,] "70.7 % Scythian_HUN + 29.3 % Yamnaya_RUS_Samara" "0.0106"
[12,] "30.1 % RUS_Poltavka + 69.9 % Scythian_HUN" "0.0106"
[13,] "68.9 % Scythian_HUN + 31.1 % Yamnaya_UKR" "0.0107"
[14,] "29.1 % RUS_Catacomb + 70.9 % Scythian_HUN" "0.0108"
[15,] "48.8 % HUN_LBA + 51.2 % KAZ_Kangju" "0.0108"
[16,] "30.3 % RUS_Kubano-Tersk + 69.7 % Scythian_HUN" "0.0108"
[17,] "70.1 % Scythian_HUN + 29.9 % Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia" "0.0109"
[18,] "37.6 % Anatolia_IA + 62.4 % Corded_Ware_Baltic" "0.0109"
[19,] "54.5 % HUN_Avar_Szolad + 45.5 % Saka_Tian_Shan" "0.0109"
[20,] "39.4 % HUN_Mako_EBA + 60.6 % KAZ_Wusun" "0.0111"
[21,] "51.2 % HUN_LBA + 48.8 % Sarmatian_RUS_Caspian_steppe" "0.0111"
[22,] "52 % HUN_LBA + 48 % Sarmatian_KAZ" "0.0112"
[23,] "73.1 % Scythian_HUN + 26.9 % Yamnaya_KAZ_Mereke" "0.0112"
[24,] "54.4 % HUN_Avar_Szolad + 45.6 % Hun_Tian_Shan" "0.0112"
[25,] "59.3 % CZE_Early_Slav + 40.7 % KAZ_Katon_Karagay_LBA" "0.0113"
[26,] "53.9 % HUN_Avar_Szolad + 46.1 % KAZ_Molaly_LBA" "0.0113"
[27,] "46.1 % Sarmatian_RUS_Urals + 53.9 % Scythian_HUN" "0.0114"
[28,] "69.1 % HUN_LBA + 30.9 % KGZ_Aigyrzhal_BA" "0.0114"
[29,] "38.2 % HUN_Mako_EBA + 61.8 % KAZ_Kangju" "0.0114"
[30,] "56.5 % HUN_Avar_Szolad + 43.5 % Scythian_Zevakino_Chilikta_IA" "0.0114"


or with modern populations:


[,1] [,2]
[1,] "Austrian" "0.019"
[2,] "Hungarian" "0.0198"
[3,] "German_East" "0.0204"
[4,] "Czech" "0.0204"
[5,] "Croatian" "0.0211"
[6,] "Tatar_Mishar" "0.0218"
[7,] "German" "0.0225"
[8,] "Tatar_Lipka" "0.0227"
[9,] "Slovakian" "0.0229"
[10,] "Slovenian" "0.0229"
[11,] "Tatar_Kazan" "0.0234"
[12,] "Polish" "0.0248"
[13,] "Bosnian" "0.0249"
[14,] "Turkish_Balkans" "0.0253"
[15,] "Swedish" "0.0255"
[16,] "Mordovian" "0.0255"
[17,] "Montenegrin" "0.0261"
[18,] "Ingrian" "0.0262"
[19,] "Finnish" "0.0264"
[20,] "Russian_Kostroma" "0.0267"
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "67 % Czech + 33 % Tajik_Shugnan" "0.0113"
[2,] "66.2 % Czech + 33.8 % Tajik_Rushan" "0.0113"
[3,] "67.9 % Czech + 32.1 % Tajik_Ishkashim" "0.0113"
[4,] "67.3 % Hungarian + 32.7 % Tajik_Rushan" "0.0117"
[5,] "68.2 % German_East + 31.8 % Tajik_Ishkashim" "0.0118"
[6,] "68.2 % Hungarian + 31.8 % Tajik_Shugnan" "0.0118"
[7,] "66.1 % Croatian + 33.9 % Tajik_Shugnan" "0.0118"
[8,] "67.4 % German_East + 32.6 % Tajik_Shugnan" "0.0118"
[9,] "65.3 % Croatian + 34.7 % Tajik_Rushan" "0.0119"
[10,] "69.2 % Hungarian + 30.8 % Tajik_Ishkashim" "0.0119"
[11,] "62.8 % Slovakian + 37.2 % Tajik_Rushan" "0.0119"
[12,] "66.6 % German_East + 33.4 % Tajik_Rushan" "0.012"
[13,] "69.1 % Austrian + 30.9 % Tajik_Rushan" "0.012"
[14,] "70.9 % Austrian + 29.1 % Tajik_Ishkashim" "0.0121"
[15,] "61.2 % Polish + 38.8 % Tajik_Shugnan" "0.0121"
[16,] "62.8 % Slovenian + 37.2 % Tajik_Rushan" "0.0121"
[17,] "66 % Czech + 34 % Tajik" "0.0121"
[18,] "70 % Austrian + 30 % Tajik_Shugnan" "0.0121"
[19,] "60.3 % Polish + 39.7 % Tajik_Rushan" "0.0122"
[20,] "67.3 % Croatian + 32.7 % Tajik_Ishkashim" "0.0122"
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "50% % German + 50% % Tatar_Lipka" "0.0154"
[2,] "50% % German + 50% % Tatar_Kazan" "0.0157"
[3,] "50% % Estonian + 50% % Turkmen" "0.0159"
[4,] "50% % Lithuanian_PA + 50% % Tajik" "0.0159"
[5,] "50% % Estonian + 50% % Tajik" "0.0159"
[6,] "50% % Ingrian + 50% % Turkish_Balkans" "0.016"
[7,] "50% % Slovakian + 50% % Tatar_Lipka" "0.016"
[8,] "50% % German + 50% % Tatar_Mishar" "0.0161"
[9,] "50% % Lithuanian_PA + 50% % Turkmen" "0.0162"
[10,] "50% % Lithuanian_VA + 50% % Tajik_Shugnan" "0.0163"
[11,] "50% % Finnish + 50% % Turkish_Balkans" "0.0164"
[12,] "50% % French_Nord + 50% % Russian_Kursk" "0.0165"
[13,] "50% % Belarusian + 50% % Tajik" "0.0165"
[14,] "50% % Russian_Smolensk + 50% % Tajik" "0.0166"
[15,] "50% % Swedish + 50% % Turkish_Balkans" "0.0167"
[16,] "50% % Estonian + 50% % Uzbek" "0.0168"
[17,] "50% % French_Alsace + 50% % Mordovian" "0.0169"
[18,] "50% % French_Nord + 50% % Russian_Orel" "0.0169"
[19,] "50% % Mordovian + 50% % Swedish" "0.017"
[20,] "50% % Slovenian + 50% % Tatar_Kazan" "0.017"


There was Celts in Ukraine during this time.

[Kyp]

Proto-slavs then. In any case scythians and slavs overlap to a great extent.

That's like saying Japanese are Proto-Turks

[Annihilus]

That's like saying Japanese are Proto-Turks

I don't understand

[Kyp]

I don't understand

Just because they plot close to Slavs doesn't mean Iranic ancestors were Slavs. Also Slavs differ greatly in terms of CHG ancestry.

[Annihilus]

Just because they plot close to Slavs doesn't mean Iranic ancestors were Slavs. Also Slavs differ greatly in terms of CHG ancestry.

Slavs and scythians don't have common ancestors?

[Kyp]

Slavs and scythians don't have common ancestors?

They do. Just like all other IE populations.

[Zoro]

Shouldn't they plot majority Iranic?
When did the Scythians became predominantly European? Were they ever Iranic, or only had Iranic nomadic culture?

But they do. Nevermind the Asiatic Saka , even the European Volga river Scythian is 2/3 E. Iranic + 1/3 NE European. If you’re talking about the Hungarian samples then those are not pure Scythian IMO

Volga river Scythian

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Kit Z724924

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 23.27
2 Baltic 22.88
3 North_Atlantic 18.94
4 South_Asian 12.46
5 East_Asian 7.69
6 Siberian 7.62
7 Amerindian 5.89
8 Oceanian 1.11
9 Red_Sea 0.15

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Tadjik 19.47
2 Tatar 20.79
3 Nogay 21.51
4 Afghan_Tadjik 22.93
5 Afghan_Turkmen 24.53
6 Aghan_Hazara 25.04
7 Uzbeki 25.33
8 Afghan_Pashtun 26.02
9 Turkmen 26.78
10 Tabassaran 26.94
11 Moldavian 27.22
12 Uygur 27.45
13 Chuvash 27.91
14 Chechen 28.54
15 Hungarian 29.03
16 Lezgin 29.18
17 Croatian 29.22
18 Kumyk 29.29
19 Serbian 29.35
20 Kabardin 29.37

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 65.6% Tadjik + 34.4% La_Brana-1 @ 7.25
2 61.4% Afghan_Tadjik + 38.6% La_Brana-1 @ 8.01
3 65.7% Tadjik + 34.3% Finnish @ 8.54
4 65.9% Tadjik + 34.1% East_Finnish @ 8.76
5 67% Tadjik + 33% Estonian @ 8.84
6 61.3% Afghan_Tadjik + 38.7% Finnish @ 8.94
7 58.2% Afghan_Pashtun + 41.8% La_Brana-1 @ 9.09
8 66.1% Tadjik + 33.9% Southwest_Finnish @ 9.12
9 61.5% Afghan_Tadjik + 38.5% Southwest_Finnish @ 9.21
10 62.6% Afghan_Tadjik + 37.4% Estonian @ 9.26
11 63.6% Tadjik + 36.4% Kargopol_Russian @ 9.41
12 61.6% Afghan_Tadjik + 38.4% East_Finnish @ 9.54
13 68% Tadjik + 32% Lithuanian @ 9.57
14 53% Burusho + 47% La_Brana-1 @ 9.75
15 61.5% Afghan_Tadjik + 38.5% North_Swedish @ 9.77
16 66.4% Tadjik + 33.6% North_Swedish @ 10.01
17 66.8% Tadjik + 33.2% Belorussian @ 10.07
18 64.2% Tadjik + 35.8% Erzya @ 10.07
19 66.4% Tadjik + 33.6% Estonian_Polish @ 10.08
20 65.7% Tadjik + 34.3% Russian_Smolensk @ 10.11

[vbnetkhio]

But they do. Nevermind the Asiatic Saka , even the European Volga river Scythian is 2/3 E. Iranic + 1/3 NE European. If you’re talking about the Hungarian samples then those are not pure Scythian

he asked about the Scythians from Ukraine. they were genetically right between this one and the Hungarian ones.

[Chelubey]

4 Afghan_Tadjik 22.93
5 Afghan_Turkmen 24.53
6 Aghan_Hazara 25.04

These lines say that Tajiks and Afghans genetically approached the Scythians in the Middle Ages, when they received an East Asian admixture (which is lacking in other Eastern Europeans) from the Turks and Mongols.
Plus, the Scythians had some West Asian admixture, which they possibly received from the Caucasians and after the raids in western Asia. It also contributed to similar genetics.
Thus, Tajiks, Afghans and Scythians are close mainly accidentally due to the same admixtures, but obtained at different times and in different places. Such models do not make sense without a historical context.

[Croatian Legend]

Well my opinion is and from certain others is that Slavs are actually Scythians or where a part of them. One guy told me "how come were the scythian culture declined the so called slavs appeard"? This made me think ecpecially since politics play a huge part of east europe. Or whatever is a "SLAV" linguistically yes but genetically i have some other opinion.

Look at me for a example i did a whole genome sequencing and guess what, a good chunk of Scythian ancestry came out and only around 2 Percend Slav or whatever they view as "SLAV".
I think something is being hidden when it comes to the topic of Scythians.

[Croatian Legend]

I think a general debate should be held maybe a new thread around that topic would be interesting since Scythians are quite fascinating/mysterious bunch.

[cass]

Scythian_Farmers/Ploughmen cluster well with modern Slavs


Distance to: Scythian_Farmers/Ploughmen:Scythian_UKR_MJ13
0.05028143 Moldovan_o (Slavic)
0.05028232 Russian_Orel
0.05166074 Russian_Ryazan
0.05174206 Russian_Kursk
0.05221573 German_East
0.05253067 Czech
0.05273576 Ukrainian_Lviv
0.05289344 Ukrainian_Dnipro
0.05295329 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.05309241 Polish
0.05318858 Moksha
0.05360935 Russian_Voronez
0.05386461 Hungarian
0.05438297 Ukrainian_Sumy
0.05441076 Finnish_Southwest
0.05496225 Polish_Kashubian
0.05511954 Ukrainian_Rivne
0.05581633 Russian_Kaluga
0.05610211 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr
0.05610245 German_Hamburg
0.05632054 Russian_Tver
0.05647061 Cossack_Ukrainian
0.05696795 Russian_Belgorod
0.05697687 Polish_Silesian
0.05703638 Ukrainian_Chernihiv


Distance to: Scythian_Farmers/Ploughmen:Scythian_UKR_scy009
0.03273887 Sorb_Niederlausitz
0.03346242 Polish
0.03600157 Czech
0.03720071 Slovakian
0.03736396 German_East
0.03958012 Ukrainian_Rivne
0.04078183 Polish_Silesian
0.04083782 Ukrainian_Lviv
0.04187441 German_Hamburg
0.04212192 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr
0.04234913 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.04252585 Ukrainian_Sumy
0.04270199 Ukrainian_Chernihiv
0.04389144 Russian_Belgorod
0.04406230 Polish_Kashubian
0.04423112 Russian_Smolensk
0.04455124 Hungarian
0.04460606 Russian_Voronez
0.04469854 Slovenian
0.04547137 Cossack_Ukrainian
0.04574938 Ukrainian_Dnipro
0.04593772 Croatian
0.04610347 Belarusian
0.04647155 German_Erlangen
0.04667035 Russian_Kursk


Distance to: Scythian_Farmers/Ploughmen:Scythian_UKR_MJ14
0.04034379 Moldovan_o
0.04423446 Russian_Belgorod
0.04627746 Slovakian
0.04669028 Ukrainian_Chernihiv
0.04715350 Russian_Kursk
0.04753486 Ukrainian_Rivne
0.04779526 Ukrainian_Dnipro
0.04829378 Russian_Ryazan
0.04900215 Cossack_Kuban
0.04918034 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr
0.04923778 Polish
0.04924212 Russian_Voronez
0.04941444 Russian_Orel
0.04954239 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.05088885 Cossack_Ukrainian
0.05146247 Ukrainian_Lviv
0.05216108 Ukrainian_Sumy
0.05217489 Russian_Tver
0.05242415 Russian_Smolensk
0.05267989 Polish_Silesian
0.05317379 Sorb_Niederlausitz
0.05326400 Russian_Kaluga
0.05405479 Belarusian
0.05533538 Lithuanian_PA
0.05561679 Czech

Distance to: Scythian_Farmers/Ploughmen_o1:Scythian_UKR_scy010
0.04398678 Slovakian
0.04441891 German_Erlangen
0.04447403 Austrian
0.04623223 Hungarian
0.04659861 German
0.04696230 Slovenian
0.04774366 Croatian
0.04898789 German_Hamburg
0.04940211 Czech
0.04977926 Afrikaner
0.04990066 Bosnian
0.05001987 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.05006040 German_East
0.05122941 Moldovan_o
0.05152105 Montenegrin
0.05205206 Polish_Silesian
0.05338464 Dutch
0.05387094 BelgianB
0.05394960 Moldovan
0.05409990 French_Alsace
0.05415174 French_Nord
0.05532726 Swiss_German
0.05547667 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.05601438 Danish
0.05653531 Serbian

[Far_away]

Well my opinion is and from certain others is that Slavs are actually Scythians or where a part of them. One guy told me "how come were the scythian culture declined the so called slavs appeard"? This made me think ecpecially since politics play a huge part of east europe. Or whatever is a "SLAV" linguistically yes but genetically i have some other opinion.

Look at me for a example i did a whole genome sequencing and guess what, a good chunk of Scythian ancestry came out and only around 2 Percend Slav or whatever they view as "SLAV".
I think something is being hidden when it comes to the topic of Scythians.

Slavic invasion of the Balkans described as a Scythian desert by Byzantium historians and Sklaveni/slavs as Scythians
but then again they called Sklaveni Geti-Thracians they are confusing :lightbul: