Why are Serbs more Interesting than Boring Croats?

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[Ylla]

why not be proud of both western and eastern cultural elements? why be one or the other?

[Daos777]

why not be proud of both western and eastern cultural elements? why be one or the other?

It’s because slavs not inclined towards western values think like this:


https://youtu.be/mHNlia4SK0M

It’s kind of hard to be proud of both aspects it’s like saying I’m proud of my atheist side and my Christian side if that makes sense.

[InfamousAngel99]

This thread is gross—that’s all I gotta say.

[Moje ime]

This thread is gross—that’s all I gotta say.

You didn't see really gross threads. :)

[Daos777]

Croats are gross—that’s all I gotta say.

I agree


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[Ford]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uwM-wLmp3w

[InfamousAngel99]

I agree


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Yeah, I didn’t say that. Don’t edit what I said. I don’t care who or what you are, your population isn’t better than anyone else.

[Bosniensis]

Croats were mostly under occupation they popped out only recently and are basically the only Catholic nation on Balkans if I am not wrong.

Serbs are much more famous then Croats because of Wars and their religious connection to Constantinople and orthodox neighbors.

[Daos777]

Yeah, I didn’t say that. Don’t edit what I said. I don’t care who or what you are, your population isn’t better than anyone else.

I like your mtDNA

[Voyt]

I like your mtDNA

Choker (ChokeHer)

[InfamousAngel99]

I like your mtDNA

Well, I got my haplogroup from my grandma—the daughter of immigrants, and one of them was Croatian.

(And I can tell you don’t really like it, but I’m just saying).

[Pribislav]

Croats were mostly under occupation they popped out only recently and are basically the only Catholic nation on Balkans if I am not wrong.

Serbs are much more famous then Croats because of Wars and their religious connection to Constantinople and orthodox neighbors.

Yes, they only Catholics in the Balkan. Slovenia is not Balkan country.

[Daos777]

Well, I got my haplogroup from my grandma—the daughter of immigrants, and one of them was Croatian.

(And I can tell you don’t really like it, but I’m just saying).

I do like it lol. I was hoping I got it on 23 and me but I got H.

I don’t hate Croats. I don’t hate any people. I hate what Croats support now and what they did back when Yugoslavia fell apart. In my eyes it will always be seen as traitorous behavior. That’s it. But this thread is not even about that. It’s about Serbian culture seeming as more interesting and exotic than Croatian culture that just seems to be western larpy to me.

[InfamousAngel99]

I do like it lol. I was hoping I got it on 23 and me but I got H.

I don’t hate Croats. I don’t hate any people. I hate what Croats support now and what they did back when Yugoslavia fell apart. In my eyes it will always be seen as traitorous behavior. That’s it. But this thread is not even about that. It’s about Serbian culture seeming as more interesting and exotic than Croatian culture that just seems to be western larpy to me.

Ah. Well, I apologize, if that’s truly the case. Either way, my original comment wasn’t about the topic of the thread itself, it was about some of comments that were in response to the thread. And honestly, anything that isn’t British Isles related seems “exotic” to me. I’ve been forced to learn about the same crap my entire life and I’m sick of hearing about it.

[Jana]

Yes, they only Catholics in the Balkan. Slovenia is not Balkan country.

Slovenia is Balkan per excellance. They have more Serbs, Bosniaks and Albanians there than does Croatia. No point to pretend they are Central Europe.

[Voyt]

which mtDNA is the "non-western-feminist" one ?
always wanted to know dat

[Daos777]

which mtDNA is the "non-western-feminist" one ?
always wanted to know dat

Doesn’t exist.

[Voyt]

Slovenia is Balkan per excellance. They have more Serbs, Bosniaks and Albanians there than does Croatia. No point to pretend they are Central Europe.

llol youre only saying that because you and your god stears got clustered with other Balkanites on your self-obsessed dna tests

if you got central european you'd be maintaining to this day that balkanites are subhuman

[Voyt]

Doesn’t exist.

are you being anti-feminist with me now?

[Jana]

I do like it lol. I was hoping I got it on 23 and me but I got H.

I don’t hate Croats. I don’t hate any people. I hate what Croats support now and what they did back when Yugoslavia fell apart. In my eyes it will always be seen as traitorous behavior. That’s it. But this thread is not even about that. It’s about Serbian culture seeming as more interesting and exotic than Croatian culture that just seems to be western larpy to me.

Dude, we have nothing against idea of Yugoslavia ruled by Croats (more advanced people) with Zagreb as capital. It would be surely more sucessful.
It's not like you know anything about Croat and Serb culture anyway. Larpy would be if we pretended to be eastern, and Serbs western.

[Daos777]

Slovenia is Balkan per excellance. They have more Serbs, Bosniaks and Albanians there than does Croatia. No point to pretend they are Central Europe.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191220/71fa41ed07eb29f6ad10e38d51684dd2.png

Slovenians seem more cracker to me than Croats



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[Jana]

llol youre only saying that because you and your god stears got clustered with other Balkanites on your self-obsessed dna tests

if you got central european you'd be maintaining to this day that balkanites are subhuman

I cluster with Slovenians, Hungarians and NW Croats. Slovenia is Balkan, gegraphicaly, historically and politically today.

[Jana]

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I live half an hour away from Slovenia. They look nothing like that dyed hair women on average. These look like German torists anyway.

[Voyt]

I cluster with Slovenians, Hungarians and NW Croats. Slovenia is Balkan, gegraphicaly, historically and politically today.

lol in dat one single 23andMe test or whatever
the rest you got spot-on Croat

[Jana]

lol in dat one single 23andMe test or whatever
the rest you got spot-on Croat

No retard, in updated K13 when many samples are added. Slovenian and NW Croats averages didn't exist before.
And before that I got Hungarians as number 1.

[Daos777]

Dude, we have nothing against idea of Yugoslavia ruled by Croats (more advanced people) with Zagreb as capital. It would be surely more sucessful.
It's not like you know anything about Croat and Serb culture anyway. Larpy would be if we pretended to be eastern, and Serbs western.

There would be nothing larpy about Croats accepting Serbian culture and orthodox religion. In fact it would solve all problems and should of been that way from the beginning.


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[Jana]

There would be nothing larpy about Croats accepting Serbian culture and orthodox religion. In fact it would solve all problems and should of been that way from the beginning.

It will happen when you accept Jewish or Gypsy culture.

[Daos777]

It will happen when you accept Jewish or Gypsy culture.

Those aren’t Balkan cultures tho doesn’t make sense.


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[Jana]

Those aren’t Balkan cultures tho doesn’t make sense.

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Gypsy culture is essence of Balkan. And you're Eastern European, Jews are part of your cultural and historical heritage.

[Dušan]

Dude, we have nothing against idea of Yugoslavia ruled by Croats (more advanced people) with Zagreb as capital.

:rofl_002:

[Leto]

Slovenia is Balkan, gegraphicaly, historically and politically today.
You've been pretty wild and aggressive these days over nothing basically.
Slovenia is not a Balkan country

It is bordered by Italy to the southwest, Austria to the north, Hungary to the northeast, Croatia to the southeast, and the Adriatic Sea to the southwest.

Slovenia is situated in Central and Southeastern Europe touching the Alps and bordering the Mediterranean. It lies between latitudes 45° and 47° N, and longitudes 13° and 17° E. The 15th meridian east almost corresponds to the middle line of the country in the direction west-east.[99] The Geometrical Center of the Republic of Slovenia is located at coordinates 46°07'11.8" N and 14°48'55.2" E.[100] It lies in Slivna in the Municipality of Litija.[101] Slovenia's highest peak is Triglav (2,864 m or 9,396 ft); the country's average height above sea level is 557 m (1,827 ft).

Four major European geographic regions meet in Slovenia: the Alps, the Dinarides, the Pannonian Plain, and the Mediterranean. Although on the shore of the Adriatic Sea near the Mediterranean Sea, most of Slovenia is in the Black Sea drainage basin. The Alps—including the Julian Alps, the Kamnik-Savinja Alps and the Karawank chain, as well as the Pohorje massif—dominate Northern Slovenia along its long border with Austria. Slovenia's Adriatic coastline stretches approximately 47 kilometres (29 mi)[102] from Italy to Croatia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovenia
Their neighbors are not Balkan. Why do you want to put them in the same category with Bulgaria, Albania and Serbia? They're not even fucking swarthy.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ca/Slovenia_-_Location_Map_%282013%29_-_SVN_-_UNOCHA.svg/768px-Slovenia_-_Location_Map_%282013%29_-_SVN_-_UNOCHA.svg.png

[Daos777]

Gypsy culture is essence of Balkan. And you're Eastern European, Jews are part of your cultural and historical heritage.

No they aren’t they are hated minority, I don’t personally hate either of those groups but they should stay a minority with minimal influence and if they start growing to much that should be addressed.

Croats should stop feeling superior just because your Baltic is 5-8 percent higher than Serb average. You’re still Balkan now stop larping


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[Jana]

You've been pretty wild and aggressive these days over nothing basically.
Slovenia is not a Balkan country

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovenia
Their neighbors are not Balkan. Why do you want to put them in the same category with Bulgaria, Albania and Serbia? They're not even fucking swarthy.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ca/Slovenia_-_Location_Map_%282013%29_-_SVN_-_UNOCHA.svg/768px-Slovenia_-_Location_Map_%282013%29_-_SVN_-_UNOCHA.svg.png

LOL, Slovenia is 1/3 in Balkan geographically, was part of Yugoslavia, has huge Balkan Slavic and Albanian immigrant population and is politically connected to ex-Yu zone, not Central Europe.
Young Slovenes go to Belgrade during weekends and holidays to party with Turbofolk. Did you ever take a look at their sport teams?

Half are Serbs and Bosniaks. Major of Ljubljana is a Serb.

In what way are they Central Europe today? Austro-Hungary is gone for a century already.

[Voyt]

No retard, in updated K13 when many samples are added. Slovenian and NW Croats averages didn't exist before.
And before that I got Hungarians as number 1.

Crorats like you are the reason for Croat genetics in Hungary
Doesn't change the fact that you cluster closest to Crorats

[Jana]

No they aren’t they are hated minority, I don’t personally hate either of those groups but they should stay a minority with minimal influence and if they start growing to much that should be addressed.
Croats should stop feeling superior just because your Baltic is 5-8 percent higher than Serb average. You’re still Balkan now stop larping

All I see is gangs of trolls harassing Croats constantly like Gypsies, 10 to 1. I am only active Croatian memebr and Insuperable rarely.
We have nothing against Serbs or other Balkanites as long as they leave us alone, which doesn't seem to be the case.

Nobody is denying you right love of your own country like I do.

[Daos777]

All I see is gangs of trolls harassing Croats constantly like Gypsies, 10 to 1. I am only active Croatian memebr and Insuperable rarely.
We have nothing against Serbs or other Balkanites as long as they leave us alone, which doesn't seem to be the case.

Nobody is denying you right love of your own country like I do.

But you’re neighbors you have to learn how to work together. You can’t be isolationist from a country you border that’s autistic af


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[Jana]

Crorats like you are the reason for Croat genetics in Hungary
Doesn't change the fact that you cluster closest to Crorats

No I don't unfortunately, I am closer to these. Hungarians should be thankful for Croatian blood they have, it's enough to see how they look like and how Dalmatian Croats look like.
Panonnians are generally very ugly bunch compared to dinaric Slavs like Dalmatians and Montenegrins. You are typical example of pig faced Panonnian midget.

Hungarian men are hot because mix of German and Uralic like traits, those pure Panonnian Alpinids (including northern Croats) are nothing to write home about.

[nittionia]

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[Jana]

But you’re neighbors you have to learn how to work together. You can’t be isolationist from a country you border that’s autistic af
Maybe if Serbia changes leadership which is the same that took part in 1990s wars and agression on their neighbours.

[Lemgrant]

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[Pribislav]

Dude, we have nothing against idea of Yugoslavia ruled by Croats (more advanced people) with Zagreb as capital. It would be surely more sucessful.
It's not like you know anything about Croat and Serb culture anyway. Larpy would be if we pretended to be eastern, and Serbs western.

After WW2 communists took industrial plants from Serbia and taken away them to the Croatia and Slovenia. Because of that Croatia was more developed than Serbia in Yugoslavia.
Btw Serbia is richer in natural resources than Croatia. In Serbia exist mines of gold, silver, copper, platinum, lead, wolfram etc. And Serbia has more fertile land than Croatia (agriculture in Vojvodina is more developed than in Slavonia, and there is more planted space).

[Jana]

After WW2 communists took industrial plants from Serbia and taken away them to the Croatia and Slovenia. Because of that Croatia was more developed than Serbia in Yugoslavia.
Btw Serbia is richer in natural resources than Croatia. In Serbia exist mines of gold, silver, copper, platinum, lead, wolfram etc. And Serbia has more fertile land than Croatia (agriculture in Vojvodina is more developed than in Slavonia, and there is more planted space).

LOL no. Croatia and Slovenia entered Yugoslavia far richer because they were part of Austro-Hungary and Serbia was part of Ottoman Empire.
Difference was very large except for Vojvodina which was Hungarian and rich.

Congo is world's richest country when it comes to mineral resources and it is a hellhole.

[Dušan]

After WW2 communists took industrial plants from Serbia and taken away them to the Croatia and Slovenia. Because of that Croatia was more developed than Serbia in Yugoslavia.
Btw Serbia is richer in natural resources than Croatia. In Serbia exist mines of gold, silver, copper, platinum, lead, wolfram etc. And Serbia has more fertile land than Croatia (agriculture in Vojvodina is more developed than in Slavonia, and there is more planted space).

Croatia without tourism is worse than Burkina Faso.
Their fate as a society is to be miserable seasonal servants.

[Voyt]

No I don't unfortunately, I am closer to these. Hungarians should be thankful for Croatian blood they have, it's enough to see how they look like and how Dalmatian Croats look like.
Panonnians are generally very ugly bunch compared to dinaric Slavs like Dalmatians and Montenegrins. You are typical example of pig faced Panonnian midget.

Hungarian men are hot because mix of German and Uralic like traits, those pure Panonnian Alpinids (including northern Croats) are nothing to write home about.


https://youtu.be/ZOmp3HpAGgM

[Pribislav]

LOL no. Croatia and Slovenia entered Yugoslavia far richer because they were part of Austro-Hungary and Serbia was part of Ottoman Empire.
Difference was very large except for Vojvodina which was Hungarian and rich.

Mine of gold in Majdanpek in eastern Serbia has higher value than whole Croatian tourism.

I talking about potentials, not about life standard.

[Jana]

Croatia without tourism is worse than Burkina Faso.
Their fate as a society is to be miserable seasonal servants.

So miserable that Serbs come here as seasonal workers. Seems your Serbia is the bottom, imagine if for Serbs Croatia is good.
I can't imagine in what kind of shithole you live if Croatia is improvement for you.

[Daos777]

Croatia without tourism is worse than Burkina Faso.
Their fate as a society is to be miserable seasonal servants.

Can Croatia even sustain itself agriculturally? Because I heard Croatia farming land is kaka.

[Insuperable]

Croatia without tourism is worse than Burkina Faso.
Their fate as a society is to be miserable seasonal servants.

Subtract tourism from GDP and per capita Croatia is still richer than Serbia. What does that make Serbia then?

[Jana]

Can Croatia even sustain itself agriculturally? Because I heard Croatia farming land is kaka.

Agricultural Land in Slavonia is of premmium quality in Europe, just like in Vojvodina and Ukraine.

[Dušan]

So miserbale that Serbs come here as seasonal workers. Seems your Serbia is the bottom, imagine of for Serbs Croatia is good.

Your economics depends on tourism. No natural resources, nothing.
Miserable neo fascist society that could bankrupt every moment.

[Insuperable]

Mine of gold in Majdanpek in eastern Serbia has higher value than whole Croatian tourism.

I talking about potentials, not about life standard.

And why are you not using that potential of yours?
https://i.postimg.cc/zf0XHmnM/tenor.gif

[Insuperable]

After WW2 communists took industrial plants from Serbia and taken away them to the Croatia and Slovenia. Because of that Croatia was more developed than Serbia in Yugoslavia.
Btw Serbia is richer in natural resources than Croatia. In Serbia exist mines of gold, silver, copper, platinum, lead, wolfram etc. And Serbia has more fertile land than Croatia (agriculture in Vojvodina is more developed than in Slavonia, and there is more planted space).

First time I hear about the former. Kinda the opposite for Croats. There was a saying in Zagreb during Yugoslavia: Zagreb radi Beograd se gradi.

translation: Zagreb works and Belgrade gets built.

[Daos777]

And why are you not using that potential of yours?
https://i.postimg.cc/zf0XHmnM/tenor.gif

Because they are listening to Turbofolk, drinking Turkish coffee, and eating cevapi and living the good life.

All those resources are being saved for a rainy day.


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[Jana]

Your economics depends on tourism. No natural resources, nothing.
Miserable neo fascist society that could bankrupt every moment.

No, since NW Croatia is by far most developed and economically healthy region.
Worry about your third world Četnik society.

[Jana]

First time I hear about the former. Kinda the opposite for Croats. There was a saying in Zagreb during Yugoslavia: Zagreb radi Beograd se gradi.

translation: Zagreb works and Belgrade gets built.

One of Serbian fairy tales. You know their imagination is their big asset.

[Jana]

Btw, Albanians took and control all main Serb natural resources in Kosovo. You could say they had natural resource, not have. Past tense.

[Insuperable]

One of Serbian fairy tales. You know their imagination is their big asset.

It is famous worldwide.

[Pribislav]

[QUOTE=Insuperable;6408331]And why are you not using that potential of yours?

Because of corruption and thiefs politicians, as everywhere in the Balkan.

Vučić gave to one Canadian company right to open new mine on gold on Crni Vrh :picard1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crni_Vrh,_Bor

[Dušan]

Can Croatia even sustain itself agriculturally? Because I heard Croatia farming land is kaka.

Hardly, but since there is a massive emigration and depopulation after entering to EU, they don't need it.
Currently there is less than 4 milion people. Small frustrated nazi society that could stand in half of Moscow or London.

[Jana]

It is famous worldwide.

I forgot to say, your western Herzegovina on barren wasteland is richest part of BiH.
Republika Šumska lying on fertile plains and natural resources is poorer. They also have political autonomy unlike you and it doesn't help them.

Are Bosnian Serbs lazy or just not that capable? Imagine if Croats controlled these parts, it would be level above now.

[Jana]

Point of the story - Croats turn stone desert to land of plenty, Serbs turn fertile plains into land of poor.

[Insuperable]

I forgot to say, your western Herzegovina on barren wasteland is richest part of BiH.
Republika Šumska lying on fertile plains and natural resources is poorer. They also have political autonomy unlike you and it doesn't help them.

No, it is not the richest. Some municipalities are the richest though. But the mindset of Croats here is that they don't want to pay taxes to Sarajevo. Some gets returned, but everything is complicated in this complicated shit country. Infrastructure is therefore not the best, but people live very good on average.


Are Bosnian Serb lazy or just not that capable?

They are capable, I think they slowly starting to get things done.

[Pribislav]

Point of the story - Croats turn stone desert to land of plenty, Serbs turn fertile plains into land of poor.

Oil refinery in Modriča is gigant for Bosnian standards and belong to Srpska https://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafinerija_ulja_Modriča

[pulstar]

First time I hear about the former. Kinda the opposite for Croats. There was a saying in Zagreb during Yugoslavia: Zagreb radi Beograd se gradi.

translation: Zagreb works and Belgrade gets built.

There was indeed a short period of industrial relocation to Bosnia, Croatia and Slovenia from Serbia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relocation_of_Serbian_industry_during_the_Informbi ro_period), but its being used as a poor excuse as to why Serbia is defunct country today. If that's the case Croatia would be way better today and well know its not (and its not better due to industry, Croatian industry sucks too).

[Dušan]

Point of the story - Croats turn stone desert to land of plenty, Serbs turn fertile plains into land of poor.

Yes, with a false story about appearing of the Virgin Mary, Škutori had made bussines and is now stealing Catholic people around the world.

[Bosniensis]

Yes, with a false story about appearing of the Virgin Mary, Škutori had made bussines and is now stealing Catholic people around the world.

Business is Business ..Sarajevo get more taxes because of those appearings.

Now if only Tito or Stalin or Imagine Elvis Presley would appear.

[Pribislav]

Yes, with a false story about appearing of the Virgin Mary, Škutori had made bussines and is now stealing Catholic people around the world.

Officially Vatican never recognized truthfulness of Virgin Mary from Međugorje.

[Insuperable]

There was indeed a short period of industrial relocation to Bosnia, Croatia and Slovenia from Serbia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relocation_of_Serbian_industry_during_the_Informbi ro_period), but its being used as a poor excuse as to why Serbia is defunct country today. If that's the case Croatia would be way better today and well know its not (and its not better due to industry, Croatian industry sucks too).

Never heard about that. Okay, my mistake. Whatever was transferred Serbs destroyed during 1990s lulz as you know they destroyed 1/3 of Croatian industry and made billions in damage. Yeah, Croatian industry sucks too.

[Insuperable]

Yes, with a false story about appearing of the Virgin Mary, Škutori had made bussines and is now stealing Catholic people around the world.

I wasn't having that in mind. There is a lot of industry, manufacture and big companies in West Herzegovina Canton. Croats from Croatia just like you think people here live from agriculture and religious tourism.

[pulstar]

Never heard about that. Okay, my mistake. Whatever was transferred Serbs destroyed during 1990s lulz as you know they destroyed 1/3 of Croatian industry and made billions in damage. Yeah, Croatian industry sucks too.

It was destroyed prior to the wars, probably the very first moment communist had their hands on it. Tell me a case of a factory communists made/built from the grounds up (so not illegally privatized) that survived to this day and is still successful. There's none :lol:

[Pribislav]

I wasn't having that in mind. There is a lot of industry, manufacture and big companies in West Herzegovina Canton. Croats from Croatia just like you think people here live from agriculture and religious tourism.

Obvious still enough to stop depopulation of Škutorland.

[blueeyes]

Croats were mostly under occupation they popped out only recently and are basically the only Catholic nation on Balkans if I am not wrong.

Serbs are much more famous then Croats because of Wars and their religious connection to Constantinople and orthodox neighbors.

Croatia is a very popular touristic travel destination. They also have one of the best football teams.

[Insuperable]

It was destroyed prior to the wars, probably the very first moment communist had their hands on it. Tell me a case of a factory communists made/built from the grounds up (so not illegally privatized) that survived to this day and is still successful. There's none :lol:

I don't know, but everything is worse now after privatization. People and politicians are too stupid and/or corrupt to make anything on their own. They only know how to function under the iron fist.

[pulstar]

I don't know, but everything is worse now after privatization. People and politicians are too stupid and/or corrupt to make anything on their own. They only know how to function under the iron fist.

You are falling under post-communistic agenda, which is their idea from the start - as to how to keep the communistic style of government (just under different names) and keep their seats there. The truth is until this breed of people don't get completely eradicated from our societies each of our countries will be predestined to live in chaos. They use absolutely same rhetoric to control the population in the ex-Yugoslav countries. Worse even, they use the same phrases that its so damn obvious. Most of previous privatization (in each country) was done under very shady circumstances (in Croatia even more-so than in Serbia because it started earlier, where medias would report more about wars and international politics) - mafia-style. The newly created elite got their money from back then nationalistic and now newly emancipated, pro-European (but still communist) political brethren, as their "skilled" businessmen (or businesswomen) were mostly taken from the rank of their children, grandchildren or so. Actual new entrepreneur groups emerged in this decade or so, and they are still small in numbers, and it will take them long to fully replace the previously mentioned leeches, that are still sucking the blood of each of our nations. You can say this part of the society, political and "old" business "elite" is a sort of the caste, which is incapable of producing anything. Its quite obvious that for most of "old" entrepreneurs our countries still jump in to save the day when their companies are dealing with crisis because they are tightly intertwined. Another example is how no one of these "old" breed of entrepreneurs can give some consistent story on their first million dollars.

[Insuperable]

Obvious still enough to stop depopulation of Škutorland.

You probably meant to write not enough. Depopulation is only in your mind.

You'd better take a look at Republika Srpska.

https://ba.voanews.com/a/brain-drain-bosnia-02-26-2019/4804830.html
https://perspektiva.ba/za-10-godina-nestala-opstina-veca-od-zvornika-bez-iseljavanja/
https://ba.voanews.com/a/brain-drain-bosnia-02-26-2019/4804830.html


From 2013-2017 almost 70 000 people moved out from Republika Srpska. Lulz.

[Jana]

I wasn't having that in mind. There is a lot of industry, manufacture and big companies in West Herzegovina Canton. Croats from Croatia just like you think people here live from agriculture and religious tourism.

We are aware Mate Rimac is from western Herzegovina.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho-miCbIr84

[Jana]

There was indeed a short period of industrial relocation to Bosnia, Croatia and Slovenia from Serbia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relocation_of_Serbian_industry_during_the_Informbi ro_period), but its being used as a poor excuse as to why Serbia is defunct country today. If that's the case Croatia would be way better today and well know its not (and its not better due to industry, Croatian industry sucks too).

It's way better than Serbia. Don't delude yourself. You play in league below.

[Vožd]

Obvious still enough to stop depopulation of Škutorland.

What's point have squabbling about which region have more depopulation, when almost whole Balkan is disaster.

[Insuperable]

You are falling under post-communistic agenda, which is their idea from the start - as to how to keep the communistic style of government (just under different names) and keep their seats there. The truth is until this breed of people don't get completely eradicated from our societies each of our countries will be predestined to live in chaos. They use absolutely same rhetoric to control the population in the ex-Yugoslav countries. Worse even, they use the same phrases that its so damn obvious. Most of previous privatization (in each country) was done under very shady circumstances (in Croatia even more-so than in Serbia because it started earlier, where medias would report more about wars and international politics) - mafia-style. The newly created elite got their money from back then nationalistic and now newly emancipated, pro-European (but still communist) political brethren, as their "skilled" businessmen (or businesswomen) were mostly taken from the rank of their children, grandchildren or so. Actual new entrepreneur groups emerged in this decade or so, and they are still small in numbers, and it will take them long to fully replace the previously mentioned leeches, that are still sucking the blood of each of our nations. You can say this part of the society, political and "old" business "elite" is a sort of the caste, which is incapable of producing anything. Its quite obvious that for most of "old" entrepreneurs our countries still jump in to save the day when their companies are dealing with crisis because they are tightly intertwined. Another example is how no one of these "old" breed of entrepreneurs can give some consistent story on their first million dollars.

I don't care about communism. I am just saying that people here only learned how to function under the authoritarian or totalitarian rule be it communism or whatever. If people have great ideas politicians are too stupid to do anything about it because they suffer from lack of capitalistic thought on a greater scale, corrupt etc. Maybe just like in everything else people need to go through some transition. Prijelazna pojava.

And of course in developed countries industry is in great percentage located in small places, near villages etc. Which is why their villages are very developed and nice, people don't move out from there. The stupid mindset of people here is that everything needs to be located near main cities and now small places are disappearing. Westerners think 100 years in advance and stupid Balkaners now also have to deal with additional problems.

[Jana]

Correction: Rimac is from Livno. That's Tropolje, SW Bosnia. Insuperable can correct me if wrong. They should be very similar like Herzegovians though.

[pulstar]

I don't care about communism. I am just saying that people here only learned how to function under the authoritarian or totalitarian rule be it communism or whatever. If people have great ideas politicians are too stupid to do anything about it because they suffer from lack of capitalistic thought on a greater scale, corrupt etc. Maybe just like in everything else people need to go through some transition. Prijelazna pojava.

And of course in developed countries industry is in great percentage located in small places, near villages etc. Which is why their villages are very developed and nice, people don't move out from there. The stupid mindset of people here is that everything needs to be located near main cities and now small places are disappearing. Westerners think 100 years in advance and stupid Balkaners now also have to deal with additional problems.

I only used word "communism" because that's where it started for us. Of course, I can agree with you, I can add a few other points, but first it has to start from top. England (and related countries) is England today because some events took part (spontaneously or not) like Magna Carta treaty (and more) that filtered out unworthy from the elite and high societies, and that was my point in the previous comment.


It's way better than Serbia. Don't delude yourself. You play in league below.

Completely missed context and my point. Don't try to be smart over things you don't know a lot about, that way you will seem like you're smarter. There a free lesson.

[Pribislav]

Correction: Rimac is from Livno. That's Tropolje, SW Bosnia. Insuperable can correct me if wrong. They should be very similar like Herzegovians though.

I heard from some Croatian that he could clearly see the difference between Livnjaci/Duvnjaci and Škutori. I don't know details.

[Insuperable]

We are aware Mate Rimac is from western Herzegovina.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho-miCbIr84

Ma dobro jebat njega on radi u Hrvatskoj. Ali što se tiče baš Zapadno Hercegovačkog Kantona, tu ima baš dosta industrije. Violeta te Grafotisak (najveća tiskarska kompanija u regiji) su iz Gruda. Ima ih tu još iz Gruda, ali cijeli grad Grude radi u industriji i svi imaju posla. Nitko se skoro ne iseljava. U Širokom po broju stanovnika ima više kompanija nego u Sarajevu. Feal d.o.o je od odatle, najveći proizvođač aluminijskih proizvoda u BiH, pogledaj video na youtube, TT kabeli, iForm (pogledaj na njihovoj stranici za koje tvrtke proizvode dijelove za auta i možda video na youtube-u), te još dosta elektro firmi što proizvode svoje elektrouređaje, ostali prozvođači aluminijskih proizvoda Presal itd. Lager is Posušja nedaleko od mene ima tvornicu gdje proizvode strojeve i dijelove za strojeve te se bave elektroenergetikom.
https://www.tportal.hr/biznis/clanak/prvi-smo-posjetili-gradiliste-najvece-vjetroelektrane-u-regiji-hercegovci-kod-knina-ulazu-1-8-milijardi-kuna-foto-20190121
https://poskok.info/investicija-od-23-milijarde-km-se-smijesi-sanskom-mostu/
Za mali kanton daleko iznad prosjeka. Skoro sve proizvode izvoze u EU, najviše u Njemačku. Uopće mi Čitluk i Međugorje nisu pali na pamet koji jesu najbogatije općine u državi zbog Međugorja
Možda nisi znala ali vlasnik Saponije, Brodomerkura, Koestlin-a, Kandit, Maraska, Gavrilovića i drugih je širokobriješka tvrtka Mepas tj. te firme su dio Mepas grupacije.
Itd.
Ljudi ovamo većinom žive od zanata, a ne kako netko misli od poljoprivrede i religijskog turizma. Usput, i drugi turizam postaje popularan, ljudi pomalo grade kuće s bazenima jer Hercegovina ima svoje čari. Ubrzo će se dosta ljudi vratiti iz inozemstva i praviti kuće. Kakvo iseljavanje. Možda budem u krivu, ali za sada ne izgleda tako.

[Insuperable]

Correction: Rimac is from Livno. That's Tropolje, SW Bosnia. Insuperable can correct me if wrong. They should be very similar like Herzegovians though.

He is technically from Bosnia. People from Duvno say they are from Herzegovina and people from Livno say they are in Bosnia. Duvno is basically border. Often Livnjani say they are dot on letter 'i' in BiH meaning they are not in Bosnia or Herzegovina. But those are just our internal discrepancies. For outsiders, including Croats from Croatia we are either Bosnians or Herzegovinians.

https://i.postimg.cc/02BbfXyF/Untitled.png

[Pribislav]

He is technically from Bosnia. People from Duvno say they are from Herzegovina and people from Livno say they are in Bosnia. Duvno is basically border. Often Livnjani say they are dot on letter i in BiH meaning they are not in Bosnia or Herzegovina. But those are just our internal discrepancies. For outsiders we are either Bosnians or Herzegovinians.

https://i.postimg.cc/02BbfXyF/Untitled.png

I noticed that Herzegovina growing and Bosnia shrinking. I mean, many people from Duvno, Livno, Prozor, Kalinovik, and Foča claim they are Herzegovinians and not Bosnians.
Some people even Kupres proclaim as Herzegovina. That is nonsense, Kupres is central Bosnia, not Herzegovina neither Bosanska Krajina.

Be Herzegovinians is prestigious, and be Bosnian is degrading. This phenomena exist among all three ethnicities Serbs, Croatians and Muslims/Bosniaks. Especially among Serbs and Croatians.

[Pribislav]

Agricultural Land in Slavonia is of premmium quality in Europe, just like in Vojvodina and Ukraine.

Yes.

In Slavonia underutilized. In Vojvodina better, but can much better.

Vojvodina was the main granary of Habsburg monarchy and Austro-Hungary. Price of cereals on European level was dictated from Vojvodina.
Vojvodina was main granary of Yugoslavia as well, but on European level was not so important as in Habsburg time.

[CTPAXOTA]

I forgot to say, your western Herzegovina on barren wasteland is richest part of BiH.
Republika Šumska lying on fertile plains and natural resources is poorer. They also have political autonomy unlike you and it doesn't help them.

Are Bosnian Serbs lazy or just not that capable? Imagine if Croats controlled these parts, it would be level above now.

Do you unironically believe that sparsely populated, chiefly rural land, inhabited by descendants of serfs, should be richer than the more densely populated, more urbanized FBiH reserved for the privileged Muslims and their descendants today?

If you check the demographics of the 26 most populated towns and cities in 1991, Bosniaks were the majority or plurality in ~23. Meanwhile Serbs or Croats held the majority or plurality in the remaining ~3.

fErTiLe LaNd stfu

[Jana]

Do you unironically believe that sparsely populated, chiefly rural land, inhabited by descendants of serfs, should be richer than the more densely populated, more urbanized FBiH reserved for the privileged Muslims and their descendants today?
If you check the demographics of the 26 most populated towns and cities in 1991, Bosniaks were the majority or plurality in ~23. Meanwhile Serbs or Croats held the majority or plurality in the remaining ~3.
fErTiLe LaNd stfu

Muslims have it worst. Herzegovina Croats are far richer than them, because Yugoslav regime forced many of them to emigrate to German-speaking countries and rest of western world where they learned to work and function in capitalistic society. These people are on average more sucessfull than Croatia's Croats as well.

Bosniaks live in densely populated, mountanious area with lack or farmland and living space and no neighbouring country to rely one like Croats and Serbs do.
They are tightly congested in their part of FBiH and it's no wonder they are trying (without success) to spread into Croat-held parts of the Federation.

If their total population percentage continues to grow as it does now, new war in BiH is realistic since they simply need more territory than they currently own.