are there any gypsies not score south asia on myheritage, ancestrydna, ftdna, etc?

[thenewestmember]

are there any gypsies not score south asia on myheritage, ancestrydna, ftdna, etc?

[thenewestmember]

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[Vojnik]

I've never seen. I highly doubt there will be any.

[El_Abominacion]

It is essentially impossible for people with a genuine Roma gypsy background to not score any South Asian. Their origins are defined by being descended, in part or vastly, from the Dalit (untouchable) caste in India

[Lioncourt]

Only if you count Irish travelers as gypsies, otherwise no.

[ixulescu]

Mortimer posted a month ago a recent paper where all gypsy samples from Romania had no South Asian (about 15-20 samples IIRC).

[WeirdLookingFellow]

Mortimer posted a month ago a recent paper where all gypsy samples from Romania had no South Asian (about 15-20 samples IIRC).

yea I'll need a link on that.

The recent Spanish gypsy study showed large amounts of s. Asian admixture, translated into K36 at at least 15%. The other thing is that it showed them having much less South-Central Asian or none at all.

There are other Romanian gypsy samples which show the exact same trend.

[Nomansman]

are there any gypsies not score south asia on myheritage, ancestrydna, ftdna, etc?

There is a roma sample from madrid in g25 modern scaled spreadsheet that seems to get only 2-0% south asian: http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2019/07/getting-most-out-of-global25_12.html

However all romas get south asian(lets just say this based on myheritage) from at least 8% up to 70%

Edit: Scratch that. None of the gypsie samples seems to get 0% south asian. It was just with my bad jugdment and amateur g25 modelling i thought any of the romas would get 0% south asian

[ixulescu]

yea I'll need a link on that.

The recent Spanish gypsy study showed large amounts of s. Asian admixture, translated into K36 at at least 15%. The other thing is that it showed them having much less South-Central Asian or none at all.

There are other Romanian gypsy samples which show the exact same trend.


I found that paper

https://i.postimg.cc/W3TNYKHh/XN47-P4-QOG0-NU.png

https://i.postimg.cc/wxWqFwcj/EJXJBDIS27-PA-1.png

https://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1008417

[TheMaestro]

Only if you count Irish travelers as gypsies, otherwise no.

Irish travelers have gypsy culture, not genetics. They are whiter than most of Euros.

[JosephK]

Depends on what you're calling a Gypsy.

In mixed Romany people, obviously, it will depend upon the amount of South Asian they've actually managed to inherit.

And the big commercial testing companies, I think, tend to try to lump people into big categories, so they may ignore "small" amounts of South Asian if they can categorize someone as generally European.

Pretty much everyone in my family with any Romany heritage has eventually lost any South Asian after the latest updates on Ancestry.

Example, a mixed Roma with, say 16% SA on a GEDMatch caluclator--> child inherits 40%, so child is 6.4% --> even 50% of 6.4 is only 3.2% and at that level, it doesn't seem to show up on Ancestry, 23andMe, MyHeritage etc.

[WeirdLookingFellow]

I found that paper

https://i.postimg.cc/W3TNYKHh/XN47-P4-QOG0-NU.png

https://i.postimg.cc/wxWqFwcj/EJXJBDIS27-PA-1.png

https://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1008417

Thanks, it's interesting, but unless you were referring to other samples, these show at the very least 19% SA and more around 33%.

[ixulescu]

Thanks, it's interesting, but unless you were referring to other samples, these show at the very least 19% SA and more around 33%.

yeah, I think I misread the chart, I thought the 2 halves of the chart were independent.

I didn't have time to read the paper.


anyways, ~33% South Asian on average for European gypsies makes sense, it correlates well with experience.

[JosephK]

yeah, I think I misread the chart, I thought the 2 halves of the chart were independent.

I didn't have time to read the paper.


anyways, ~33% South Asian on average for European gypsies makes sense, it correlates well with experience.

Just wanted to add that, looking over some matches on my Romany side on MyHeritage, that while normally the "cousins" that I consider "full" Gypsies tend to show around 16-24% South Asian, I just found two with surprisingly high SA:

(1) Girl in Sweden with Slavicized Muslim name, 48.9% South Asian, and
(2) Girl in Germany with German name, 45% South Asian.

Unfortunately without a monthly subscription I can't get much more info on them, so I can't tell if they're actual Gypsies or just a weird mix with actual South Asians that just by chance match me... but just thought it interesting.

[thenewestmember]

Just wanted to add that, looking over some matches on my Romany side on MyHeritage, that while normally the "cousins" that I consider "full" Gypsies tend to show around 16-24% South Asian, I just found two with surprisingly high SA:

(1) Girl in Sweden with Slavicized Muslim name, 48.9% South Asian, and
(2) Girl in Germany with German name, 45% South Asian.

Unfortunately without a monthly subscription I can't get much more info on them, so I can't tell if they're actual Gypsies or just a weird mix with actual South Asians that just by chance match me... but just thought it interesting.

WOW!