Serbian Autosomal DNA

[Leto]

I think that a small percent of "original Turkish dna" proved in some Bosniak's results (haplogroup and autosomal) influenced their look, no matter how insignificant it is. That is why many of them have that "something" recognizable for us as Muslims.
Also they often mixed with Albanians for religious reasons, which also influenced look.
You don't mean Bosniaks with light hair and blue eyes, do you?

[vbnetkhio]

Are Serbs in the Southern, Southeastern part of Republika Srpska more Balkanic? I mean places south of Sarajevo and along the border with Montenegro and Southwestern Serbia.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4b/Ct002411.jpg/971px-Ct002411.jpg

i posted one from Herzegovina with 35% Baltic. but that's probably not a typical result, and most people there are actually around 30.

and these 2 are probably from Rogatica based on ther email, very basic Serbian results:



Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 29.97
2 North_Atlantic 23.32
3 East_Med 18.63
4 West_Med 15.6
5 West_Asian 8.82
6 South_Asian 1.86
7 Siberian 1.27
8 Sub-Saharan 0.33
9 Amerindian 0.18
10 Red_Sea 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 5.6
2 Romanian 6.07
3 Bulgarian 7.04
4 Moldavian 8.05
5 Croatian 10.41
6 Hungarian 11.25
7 Austrian 15.21
8 Greek_Thessaly 15.33
9 East_German 16.39
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 16.45
11 South_Polish 16.99
12 Ukrainian 17.32
13 Southwest_Russian 19.99
14 North_Italian 20.12
15 Ukrainian_Belgorod 20.39
16 West_German 20.51
17 Polish 20.57
18 Tuscan 20.59
19 French 21.99
20 Italian_Abruzzo 22.03

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 56.8% Greek_Thessaly + 43.2% Southwest_Russian @ 3.13
2 78.4% Bulgarian + 21.6% Belorussian @ 3.13
3 60.4% Greek_Thessaly + 39.6% Belorussian @ 3.16
4 78% Bulgarian + 22% Estonian_Polish @ 3.17
5 58.5% Ukrainian + 41.5% Ashkenazi @ 3.2
6 75.9% Bulgarian + 24.1% Southwest_Russian @ 3.24
7 59.8% Greek_Thessaly + 40.2% Estonian_Polish @ 3.27
8 81.5% Bulgarian + 18.5% Lithuanian @ 3.29
9 81.3% Bulgarian + 18.7% Estonian @ 3.31
10 64.7% Greek_Thessaly + 35.3% Lithuanian @ 3.31
11 53.2% Greek_Thessaly + 46.8% Ukrainian @ 3.37
12 81.9% Bulgarian + 18.1% East_Finnish @ 3.39
13 73.4% Bulgarian + 26.6% Ukrainian @ 3.41
14 64.8% Ukrainian + 35.2% Italian_Jewish @ 3.41
15 59% South_Polish + 41% Ashkenazi @ 3.45
16 78.2% Bulgarian + 21.8% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.45
17 54.3% Estonian_Polish + 45.7% South_Italian @ 3.47
18 64.4% Greek_Thessaly + 35.6% Estonian @ 3.49
19 73.1% Bulgarian + 26.9% South_Polish @ 3.5
20 79.6% Bulgarian + 20.4% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.5




Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 31.16
2 North_Atlantic 22.72
3 East_Med 20.38
4 West_Med 15.41
5 West_Asian 7.7
6 Red_Sea 1.58
7 East_Asian 0.62
8 Sub-Saharan 0.23
9 South_Asian 0.21
10 Amerindian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 6.81
2 Romanian 7.38
3 Bulgarian 7.72
4 Moldavian 9.3
5 Croatian 11.15
6 Hungarian 12.42
7 Greek_Thessaly 15.56
8 Austrian 16.38
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 16.93
10 South_Polish 17.48
11 East_German 17.56
12 Ukrainian 17.73
13 Southwest_Russian 20.13
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 20.56
15 Polish 20.83
16 North_Italian 20.98
17 Tuscan 21.07
18 West_German 21.89
19 Russian_Smolensk 22.33
20 Italian_Abruzzo 22.44

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 57.5% Ukrainian + 42.5% Ashkenazi @ 3.37
2 53.1% Lithuanian + 46.9% Italian_Jewish @ 3.49
3 53.8% Ashkenazi + 46.2% Lithuanian @ 3.57
4 51.4% Estonian_Polish + 48.6% Ashkenazi @ 3.6
5 58.2% Estonian_Polish + 41.8% Italian_Jewish @ 3.6
6 50.9% Belorussian + 49.1% Ashkenazi @ 3.66
7 51.7% Russian_Smolensk + 48.3% Ashkenazi @ 3.69
8 60.1% Greek_Thessaly + 39.9% Belorussian @ 3.7
9 61% Southwest_Russian + 39% Italian_Jewish @ 3.7
10 57.7% Belorussian + 42.3% Italian_Jewish @ 3.76
11 64.1% Ukrainian + 35.9% Italian_Jewish @ 3.78
12 53.4% Polish + 46.6% Ashkenazi @ 3.79
13 58.4% Russian_Smolensk + 41.6% Italian_Jewish @ 3.81
14 57.7% Belorussian + 42.3% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.86
15 58% South_Polish + 42% Ashkenazi @ 3.86
16 53.9% Belorussian + 46.1% South_Italian @ 3.92
17 54.3% Southwest_Russian + 45.7% Ashkenazi @ 3.93
18 59.6% Greek_Thessaly + 40.4% Estonian_Polish @ 3.95
19 64.5% Greek_Thessaly + 35.5% Lithuanian @ 3.97
20 53.1% Lithuanian + 46.9% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.01

[Ford]

You don't mean Bosniaks with light hair and blue eyes, do you?

Those usually still look distinctly different compared to Serbs and even Croats in Bosnia. There's something very exotic to me even in the lightest of Bosniaks.

[Jana]

Anthro research from 100 years ago showed Bosniaks as lightest haired and eyed ethnicity in BiH, Serbs darkest. Croats were in-between but lightest skinned of the 3.

[Dušan]

You don't mean Bosniaks with light hair and blue eyes, do you?

And blonde Bosnian Muslims look a bit weird.

[Jana]

I think that a small percent of "original Turkish dna" proved in some Bosniak's results (haplogroup and autosomal) influenced their look, no matter how insignificant it is. That is why many of them have that "something" recognizable for us as Muslims.
Also they often mixed with Albanians for religious reasons, which also influenced look.

Not true at all. Excluding Sandžaklije who are not really connected to Bosnia, there is no Albanian admixture in Bosniaks.
It's much higher in Montenegrin, Kosovo and southern Serbs and Serbs are genetically closer to Albanians than Bosniaks are.

However, I agree some Bosniaks have specific muslim (non European influenced) look, just like some have that specific strong north Euro look that is rarer in BiH Christians.

[Moje ime]

You don't mean Bosniaks with light hair and blue eyes, do you?

Yes I mean. The example.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-wTSsrlMMY

[Jana]

Yes I mean. The example.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-wTSsrlMMY

He is Sandžaklija with Albanian origin.

[Leto]

Yes I mean. The example.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-wTSsrlMMY
So that Serbian looks racially Muslim to you?
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/the-football-database/images/5/59/A.S._Roma_A._Ljaji%C4%87_001.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/340?cb=20140918182904
I always imagine Muslims to be much darker and less European.

[Jana]

This is good example of light Bosniak from Bosnia, you won't find Serb with similar look. And absolutely nothing weird about him.
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/senijad-ibricic-of-bosnia-and-herzegovina-poses-during-the-official-picture-id450242286?s=612x612
https://sportske.jutarnji.hr/incoming/senijad-ibricic-i-dzeko/6430888/alternates/LANDSCAPE_1080/senijad%20ibri%C4%8Di%C4%87%20i%20d%C5%BEeko
https://sport.novi.ba/storage/2015/12/02/thumbs/565efaa5-a3e4-49c8-a157-07df0a0a0a6b-senijad-ibricic-reprezentacija-ba-preview.jpg

[Moje ime]

This is good example of light Bosniak from Bosnia, you won't find Serb with similar look. And absolutely nothing weird about him.
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/senijad-ibricic-of-bosnia-and-herzegovina-poses-during-the-official-picture-id450242286?s=612x612
https://sportske.jutarnji.hr/incoming/senijad-ibricic-i-dzeko/6430888/alternates/LANDSCAPE_1080/senijad%20ibri%C4%8Di%C4%87%20i%20d%C5%BEeko
https://sport.novi.ba/storage/2015/12/02/thumbs/565efaa5-a3e4-49c8-a157-07df0a0a0a6b-senijad-ibricic-reprezentacija-ba-preview.jpg

Negative cantal tilt isn't usual for blond persons. That is what makes him weird.

[Jana]

Another fair Bosniak from Bosnia
https://i.pinimg.com/474x/59/3e/80/593e8052e18eba806adf2225ded662d4.jpg
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/MW16IschTuo/maxresdefault.jpg
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/zlatan-muslimovic-bosniaherzegovina-picture-id677570736
https://static.klix.ba/media/images/vijesti/b_190426126.jpg?v=1

[Östsvensk]

Not true at all. Excluding Sandžaklije who are not really connected to Bosnia, there is no Albanian admixture in Bosniaks.
It's much higher in Montenegrin, Kosovo and southern Serbs and Serbs are genetically closer to Albanians than Bosniaks are.

However, I agree some Bosniaks have specific muslim (non European influenced) look, just like some have that specific strong north Euro look that is rarer in BiH Christians.

Sweden has a large Bosniak disaspora and I have known quite a few of them in childhood. IMHO, Bosniaks are typically Dinarid and a few that I have known were even rather olive-skinned like Zlatan Ibrahimovic (Bosniak-Croat). Some people on the Swedish forum Flashback debate whether he even is fully European or has Gypsy admixture.

[Jana]

Sweden has a large Bosniak disaspora and I have known quite a few of them in childhood. IMHO, Bosniaks are typically Dinarid and a few that I have known were even rather olive-skinned like Zlatan Ibrahimovic (Bosniak-Croat). Some people on the Swedish forum Flashback debate whether he even is fully European or has Gypsy admixture.

He looks weird, not very typical.

[Jana]

Negative cantal tilt isn't usual for blond persons. That is what makes him weird.

What?

[Leto]

Sweden has a large Bosniak disaspora and I have known quite a few of them in childhood. IMHO, Bosniaks are typically Dinarid and a few that I have known were even rather olive-skinned like Zlatan Ibrahimovic (Bosniak-Croat). Some people on the Swedish forum Flashback debate whether he even is fully European or has Gypsy admixture.
His sons are wonderfully assimilated and look very white, even passable as Swedish.

[Moje ime]

What?

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/59eebcd529f1875b3b6eacc0/1571645889572-WOHA1SUDXNKOPKTC6RLU/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kCMWMBFcqQftRz-JqZZoIB5Zw-zPPgdn4jUwVcJE1ZvWEtT5uBSRWt4vQZAgTJucoTqqXjS3CfND Suuf31e0tVFI99ncPZu898P4WAmVYNBp8mgB1qWbp5RirnU_Xv q-XCb8BodarTVrzIWCp72ioWw/How+the+media+created+the+looksmaxing+community+ca nthal+tilt.png

[Ford]

His sons are wonderfully assimilated and look very white, even passable as Swedish.

Why does this mean so much to you?

[Leto]

Why does this mean so much to you?
I love good examples of assimilation.

[Jana]

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/59eebcd529f1875b3b6eacc0/1571645889572-WOHA1SUDXNKOPKTC6RLU/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kCMWMBFcqQftRz-JqZZoIB5Zw-zPPgdn4jUwVcJE1ZvWEtT5uBSRWt4vQZAgTJucoTqqXjS3CfND Suuf31e0tVFI99ncPZu898P4WAmVYNBp8mgB1qWbp5RirnU_Xv q-XCb8BodarTVrzIWCp72ioWw/How+the+media+created+the+looksmaxing+community+ca nthal+tilt.png

I mean Stears has slightly negative canthal titl. That's considered weird?

[Moje ime]

I mean Stears has slightly negative canthal titl. That's considered weird?

:ftomato:

[Östsvensk]

He looks weird, not very typical.

On a technicality, they say that he has never revealed his background, only the countries where his parents were born. So they say that he might have Gyspy that he doesn't want to confess to. Personally, I think that he just looks atypical as you say.

Two "famous" Bosniaks from the Swedish disapora, Kenan Habul and Alen Musaefendic:

https://samnytt.se/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/kenan-habul.jpg
https://unionenopinion.se/wp-content/uploads/imagecache/c3/c3c824efd7f81493eb6d374e0057c6bb.png

[Ford]

I love good examples of assimilation.

Not just that, but the entire whiteness thing.

[Moje ime]

...

[Leto]

Not just that, but the entire whiteness thing.
Why do you care what I care about? Why can't I like light people? Now only dark people can be liked, I guess. I'm a light person and thank God for that!

Is everything posted here supposed to be taken 100% seriously?

[Dušan]

Not just that, but the entire whiteness thing.

He prefers Bosnian Muslims and Croats over Serbs, just because they are more northern shifted. :rolleyes:

Croats are not more Slavic than Serbs. Their higher northern component is from Celto-Germanic influence, not Slavic.

[Leto]

He prefers Bosnian Muslims and Croats over Serbs, just because they are more northern shifted. :rolleyes:

That isn't true. Politics and culture are unrelated to that stuff.

[Östsvensk]

Coon said about Bosniaks:


Bosnia consists of the six provinces, Biha6, Banjaluka, Tuzla, Travnik,
Sarajevo, and Mostar, which lie between western Croatia, Dalmatia,
Montenegro, and the Slavonian plain. The southernmost province, Mostar,
includes the territory known as Herzegovina, which lies nearest to Monte-
negro. The Bosnians serve racially as an approach to the nucleus of Dinaric
giantism in Montenegro. Tuzla, in the northeast, has a mean stature of
171 cm.; Bihac and Banjaluca, in the northwest, of 172 cm.; in Travnik
and parts of Mostar it rises to 173 cm., in Sarajevo to 174 cm., and in
Herzegovina to 175-176 cm., approaching the Montenegrin level. The
mean cephalic index of the Bosnians is over 85; this varies by religions,
with the Catholics the most brachycephalic (86), and the Moslems the
least (84). The Catholics are likewise the tallest and the lightest skinned;
being the oldest population in the region in point of conversion, and the
least affected by outside influences, the Catholic element preserves both
a pre-Slavic and a pre-Turkish racial configuration more completely
than do the partisans of Orthodoxy or Islam.

In hair and eye color the Bosnians are intermediate between Groatians
and Serbs; they are darkest in the northeast, and fairest in the regions near-
est Montenegro. Since they form but an extension of the Montenegrin nu-
cleus, it will suffice here to point out their near identity with the inhabitants
of that former kingdom, and to leave a detailed description for the latter.

The Races of Europe, 1939, pp. 590-591

[Jana]

He prefers Bosnian Muslims and Croats over Serbs, just because they are more northern shifted. :rolleyes:

Croats are not more Slavic than Serbs. Their higher northern component is from Celto-Germanic influence, not Slavic.

That's simply false. We also have significantly more R1a.

[Pribislav]

Serb from Bosansko Grahovo


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 34.64
2 North_Atlantic 20.26
3 West_Med 18.6
4 East_Med 15.81
5 West_Asian 8.16
6 Siberian 1.64
7 Oceanian 0.63
8 Sub-Saharan 0.26

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 7.23
2 Croatian 9.31
3 Serbian 9.56
4 Romanian 10.59
5 Bulgarian 10.93
6 Hungarian 13.12
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 14.19
8 Ukrainian 14.86
9 South_Polish 15.53
10 Austrian 17.18
11 Southwest_Russian 17.49
12 East_German 17.61
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.97
14 Polish 18.49
15 Greek_Thessaly 19.03
16 Russian_Smolensk 19.76
17 Estonian_Polish 19.94
18 Belorussian 20.84
19 Kargopol_Russian 21.33
20 Tatar 21.77

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 69.3% Bulgarian + 30.7% Erzya @ 5.49
2 74.1% Ukrainian + 25.9% Cyprian @ 5.52
3 67% Bulgarian + 33% Estonian_Polish @ 5.53
4 72.1% Bulgarian + 27.9% Lithuanian @ 5.57
5 63.8% Bulgarian + 36.2% Southwest_Russian @ 5.58
6 52.3% Southwest_Russian + 47.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.6
7 56.9% Ukrainian + 43.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.61
8 59.5% Bulgarian + 40.5% Ukrainian @ 5.62
9 71.4% Ukrainian + 28.6% Algerian_Jewish @ 5.63
10 57.2% Greek_Thessaly + 42.8% Lithuanian @ 5.66
11 51.3% Greek_Thessaly + 48.7% Estonian_Polish @ 5.7
12 68.8% Bulgarian + 31.2% Kargopol_Russian @ 5.71
13 64.9% Ukrainian + 35.1% Central_Greek @ 5.79
14 67.1% Bulgarian + 32.9% Russian_Smolensk @ 5.86
15 68.5% Bulgarian + 31.5% Belorussian @ 5.92
16 64.9% Bulgarian + 35.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 5.94
17 68.6% Ukrainian + 31.4% South_Italian @ 5.95
18 57% Estonian_Polish + 43% Central_Greek @ 5.95
19 66.8% Ukrainian + 33.2% Ashkenazi @ 5.97
20 66.1% Ukrainian + 33.9% East_Sicilian @ 5.98

Can you post his K15 and K12b dodecad, and K15 of Dalmatian Serb from page 14?

[Pribislav]

That's simply false. We also have significantly more R1a.

Pashtun and Kyrgyz people have much more R1a than Croatians. And what is conclusion?

[Leto]

Pashtun and Kyrgyz people have much more R1a than Croatians. And what is conclusion?
They are more Aryan than Croats :D

[Östsvensk]

They are more Aryan than Croats :D

She is Chinese now, so the question is if she cares? :D

[Leto]

She is Chinese now, so the question is if she cares? :D
Corona-chan :D
There was a guy here who put coronavirus as his ethnicity xD

[vbnetkhio]

Can you post his K15 and K12b dodecad, and K15 of Dalmatian Serb from page 14?

Grahovo:



Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 21.63
2 North_Sea 16.34
3 Eastern_Euro 15.3
4 West_Med 14.73
5 East_Med 12.67
6 Atlantic 11.09
7 West_Asian 7.29
8 Siberian 0.46
9 Oceanian 0.34
10 Northeast_African 0.09
11 Sub-Saharan 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 6.63
2 Croatian 9.12
3 Serbian 9.17
4 Romanian 9.24
5 Bulgarian 10.11
6 Hungarian 11.27
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 13.08
8 Austrian 13.54
9 Ukrainian 13.59
10 South_Polish 14.18
11 Greek_Thessaly 16.14
12 East_German 16.17
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 16.4
14 Polish 16.78
15 Russian_Smolensk 16.89
16 Southwest_Russian 16.92
17 Greek 17.26
18 Estonian_Polish 18.71
19 Belorussian 18.79
20 Kargopol_Russian 19.41

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 56.6% Ukrainian + 43.4% Greek @ 4.78
2 54.8% Ukrainian + 45.2% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.97
3 51.3% Greek_Thessaly + 48.7% Southwest_Russian @ 5.25
4 80.3% Moldavian + 19.7% Greek @ 5.26
5 73.8% Ukrainian + 26.2% Cyprian @ 5.3
6 54.1% Greek_Thessaly + 45.9% Estonian_Polish @ 5.32
7 57.9% Ukrainian_Lviv + 42.1% Greek @ 5.32
8 79.5% Moldavian + 20.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.34
9 64% Ukrainian + 36% Central_Greek @ 5.37
10 50.5% Greek_Thessaly + 49.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 5.38
11 57.9% Greek_Thessaly + 42.1% Lithuanian @ 5.4
12 67.4% Ukrainian + 32.6% South_Italian @ 5.43
13 88.9% Moldavian + 11.1% Algerian_Jewish @ 5.43
14 90.2% Moldavian + 9.8% Cyprian @ 5.43
15 91.2% Moldavian + 8.8% Sardinian @ 5.46
16 90.2% Moldavian + 9.8% Libyan_Jewish @ 5.54
17 91.8% Moldavian + 8.2% Samaritan @ 5.54
18 89.1% Moldavian + 10.9% Italian_Jewish @ 5.57
19 71% Ukrainian + 29% Algerian_Jewish @ 5.57
20 92.2% Moldavian + 7.8% Lebanese_Christian @ 5.59




Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 40.7
2 Atlantic_Med 28.98
3 Caucasus 21.32
4 Southwest_Asian 4.18
5 Gedrosia 2.87
6 Siberian 1.55
7 Northwest_African 0.41

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarians (Behar) 8.81
2 Romanians (Behar) 9.02
3 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 10.75
4 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 10.99
5 German (Dodecad) 13.8
6 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 18.17
7 French (Dodecad) 19.32
8 Dutch (Dodecad) 19.47
9 French (HGDP) 19.5
10 O_Italian (Dodecad) 19.59
11 N_Italian (Dodecad) 19.64
12 Kent (1000Genomes) 21.56
13 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 21.7
14 English (Dodecad) 21.89
15 North_Italian (HGDP) 22.37
16 British_Isles (Dodecad) 22.85
17 TSI30 (Metspalu) 22.91
18 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 23.5
19 Tuscan (HGDP) 23.59
20 Polish (Dodecad) 23.71

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 69.6% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 30.4% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 1.23
2 52.9% TSI30 (Metspalu) + 47.1% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 1.38
3 55.8% TSI30 (Metspalu) + 44.2% Russian (Dodecad) @ 1.54
4 56.3% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 43.7% German (Dodecad) @ 1.7
5 55.7% TSI30 (Metspalu) + 44.3% Belorussian (Behar) @ 1.78
6 60.5% TSI30 (Metspalu) + 39.5% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 1.9
7 55.9% TSI30 (Metspalu) + 44.1% Russian_B (Behar) @ 1.93
8 62.7% TSI30 (Metspalu) + 37.3% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 1.93
9 50.1% Tuscan (HGDP) + 49.9% Polish (Dodecad) @ 1.94
10 62% Tuscan (HGDP) + 38% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 1.99
11 52.2% Tuscan (HGDP) + 47.8% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 2
12 74.3% Hungarians (Behar) + 25.7% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2.01
13 69.4% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 30.6% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 2.01
14 54.5% N_Italian (Dodecad) + 45.5% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.13
15 50.9% TSI30 (Metspalu) + 49.1% Polish (Dodecad) @ 2.16
16 55.1% Tuscan (HGDP) + 44.9% Russian (Dodecad) @ 2.21
17 59.8% Tuscan (HGDP) + 40.2% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 2.25
18 59.7% N_Italian (Dodecad) + 40.3% Russian_B (Behar) @ 2.25
19 74% Hungarians (Behar) + 26% Greek (Dodecad) @ 2.3
20 78.4% Hungarians (Behar) + 21.6% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.33



Dalmatian:



Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 20.89
2 North_Sea 17.53
3 Eastern_Euro 15.65
4 East_Med 14.08
5 West_Med 13.45
6 Atlantic 13.1
7 West_Asian 3.44
8 Amerindian 0.58
9 Sub-Saharan 0.46
10 Siberian 0.28
11 Oceanian 0.28
12 South_Asian 0.2
13 Southeast_Asian 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 7.73
2 Serbian 8.68
3 Croatian 8.92
4 Romanian 10.09
5 Hungarian 10.24
6 Bulgarian 11.21
7 Austrian 12.19
8 Ukrainian_Lviv 12.92
9 Ukrainian 13.19
10 South_Polish 13.68
11 East_German 15.05
12 Polish 15.87
13 Russian_Smolensk 16.44
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 16.44
15 Southwest_Russian 16.62
16 Greek_Thessaly 16.95
17 Greek 17.98
18 Estonian_Polish 18.04
19 Belorussian 18.08
20 Kargopol_Russian 18.79

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.3% Ukrainian + 28.7% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.85
2 58.7% Ukrainian + 41.3% Greek @ 5.24
3 71% Ukrainian + 29% Italian_Jewish @ 5.28
4 57.2% Ukrainian + 42.8% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.53
5 51.7% Greek_Thessaly + 48.3% Estonian_Polish @ 5.56
6 66% Ukrainian + 34% West_Sicilian @ 5.59
7 68.8% Ukrainian + 31.2% South_Italian @ 5.65
8 74% Ukrainian + 26% Libyan_Jewish @ 5.72
9 72% Ukrainian + 28% Sephardic_Jewish @ 5.79
10 53.2% Greek + 46.8% Estonian @ 5.81
11 51.8% Greek_Thessaly + 48.2% Belorussian @ 5.82
12 74.1% Ukrainian + 25.9% Tunisian_Jewish @ 5.83
13 51.9% Polish + 48.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.86
14 75.3% Ukrainian + 24.7% Cyprian @ 5.89
15 66% Ukrainian + 34% Central_Greek @ 5.91
16 72.5% Ukrainian_Lviv + 27.5% Algerian_Jewish @ 5.93
17 56.1% Greek_Thessaly + 43.9% Lithuanian @ 5.94
18 66.9% Ukrainian + 33.1% East_Sicilian @ 6.01
19 50.6% Southwest_Russian + 49.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 6.02
20 59.7% Ukrainian_Lviv + 40.3% Greek @ 6.03



Dubica(also 35 Baltic):



Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 20.42
2 Atlantic 18.87
3 North_Sea 17.75
4 Eastern_Euro 15.71
5 West_Med 9.89
6 West_Asian 7.47
7 East_Med 6.96
8 South_Asian 1.28
9 Siberian 0.65
10 Sub-Saharan 0.51
11 Oceanian 0.25
12 Amerindian 0.23

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 3.06
2 Moldavian 5.21
3 Austrian 5.63
4 Hungarian 6.47
5 Serbian 7.78
6 South_Polish 8.83
7 East_German 9.5
8 Ukrainian_Lviv 9.59
9 Ukrainian 10.01
10 Romanian 10.3
11 Polish 11.08
12 Russian_Smolensk 11.66
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 12.35
14 Bulgarian 12.61
15 Southwest_Russian 12.74
16 Estonian_Polish 14.06
17 Belorussian 14.21
18 Southwest_Finnish 14.56
19 Kargopol_Russian 15.38
20 Finnish 15.51

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 63.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 36.9% North_Italian @ 2.27
2 62.4% Southwest_Russian + 37.6% North_Italian @ 2.47
3 73.8% Croatian + 26.2% Austrian @ 2.47
4 52.6% Moldavian + 47.4% Austrian @ 2.6
5 82.1% Croatian + 17.9% Serbian @ 2.6
6 95.7% Croatian + 4.3% Tadjik @ 2.63
7 95.9% Croatian + 4.1% Turkmen @ 2.65
8 93.9% Croatian + 6.1% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.66
9 94.1% Croatian + 5.9% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.67
10 94.4% Croatian + 5.6% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.68
11 96.3% Croatian + 3.7% Afghan_Tadjik @ 2.69
12 96.3% Croatian + 3.7% Afghan_Uzbeki @ 2.7
13 96.6% Croatian + 3.4% Afghan_Pashtun @ 2.7
14 95.9% Croatian + 4.1% Nogay @ 2.71
15 94.2% Croatian + 5.8% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.71
16 96.4% Croatian + 3.6% Afghan_Turkmen @ 2.71
17 96.5% Croatian + 3.5% Azeri @ 2.71
18 95.8% Croatian + 4.2% French_Basque @ 2.71
19 94.8% Croatian + 5.2% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.72
20 94.8% Croatian + 5.2% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.72





Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 45.12
2 Atlantic_Med 25.7
3 Caucasus 19.08
4 Gedrosia 3.87
5 Southwest_Asian 3.49
6 Siberian 1.76
7 South_Asian 0.98
8 Southeast_Asian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarians (Behar) 4.37
2 German (Dodecad) 11.79
3 Romanians (Behar) 12.16
4 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 14.12
5 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 14.32
6 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 17.91
7 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 18.35
8 Polish (Dodecad) 18.66
9 Dutch (Dodecad) 18.94
10 Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) 20.45
11 Swedish (Dodecad) 20.78
12 French (Dodecad) 21.49
13 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 21.52
14 Kent (1000Genomes) 21.62
15 English (Dodecad) 21.75
16 French (HGDP) 21.82
17 Norwegian (Dodecad) 21.91
18 British_Isles (Dodecad) 22.61
19 Mordovians (Yunusbayev) 23.42
20 Russian (Dodecad) 23.52

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54.6% Russian (Dodecad) + 45.4% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 1.35
2 74.7% Hungarians (Behar) + 25.3% Romanians (Behar) @ 1.52
3 77.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 22.5% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 1.56
4 91.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 8.5% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 1.57
5 77.8% Hungarians (Behar) + 22.2% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 1.64
6 91.8% Hungarians (Behar) + 8.2% Turks (Behar) @ 1.66
7 93.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 6.8% Armenians (Behar) @ 1.7
8 93.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 6.8% Armenian (Dodecad) @ 1.76
9 92.3% Hungarians (Behar) + 7.7% Cypriots (Behar) @ 1.77
10 93.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 6.8% Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) @ 1.79
11 93.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 6.9% Druze (HGDP) @ 1.8
12 55.2% Russian (Dodecad) + 44.8% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 1.82
13 93.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 6.8% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 1.86
14 93.4% Hungarians (Behar) + 6.6% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) @ 1.87
15 90% Hungarians (Behar) + 10% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 1.88
16 93.4% Hungarians (Behar) + 6.6% Assyrian (Dodecad) @ 1.9
17 51.1% Russian_B (Behar) + 48.9% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.9
18 58.1% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 41.9% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 1.94
19 88.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 11.9% Greek (Dodecad) @ 1.98
20 90.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 9.8% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 1.99



and Herzegovinian k15 which you asked me for before, i think:



Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 23.97
2 Atlantic 17.99
3 Eastern_Euro 14.95
4 North_Sea 14.01
5 West_Asian 10.71
6 West_Med 9.35
7 East_Med 7.47
8 Red_Sea 1.55

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 5.44
2 Moldavian 6.64
3 Austrian 9.67
4 South_Polish 10.25
5 Serbian 10.28
6 Hungarian 10.38
7 Romanian 10.56
8 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.67
9 Russian_Smolensk 11.49
10 Ukrainian 11.55
11 Ukrainian_Belgorod 11.7
12 Bulgarian 11.99
13 Polish 12.54
14 Southwest_Russian 12.62
15 East_German 13.92
16 Belorussian 14.17
17 Estonian_Polish 14.19
18 Kargopol_Russian 16.79
19 Lithuanian 17.63
20 Estonian 18.26

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 51.1% Russian_Smolensk + 48.9% Bulgarian @ 3.17
2 50.7% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 49.3% Bulgarian @ 3.53
3 65% Russian_Smolensk + 35% Greek @ 3.69
4 54.6% Bulgarian + 45.4% Estonian_Polish @ 3.73
5 52.4% Romanian + 47.6% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.82
6 70.6% Russian_Smolensk + 29.4% Central_Greek @ 3.83
7 54.6% Bulgarian + 45.4% Belorussian @ 3.84
8 51.4% Bulgarian + 48.6% Southwest_Russian @ 3.92
9 73.2% Russian_Smolensk + 26.8% South_Italian @ 3.96
10 70% Russian_Smolensk + 30% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.98
11 91.7% Croatian + 8.3% North_Ossetian @ 4.01
12 91.5% Croatian + 8.5% Adygei @ 4.03
13 93.1% Croatian + 6.9% Abhkasian @ 4.07
14 53% Romanian + 47% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.08
15 91.1% Croatian + 8.9% Kabardin @ 4.09
16 92.8% Croatian + 7.2% Georgian @ 4.11
17 91.5% Croatian + 8.5% Balkar @ 4.14
18 71.5% Russian_Smolensk + 28.5% East_Sicilian @ 4.14
19 64.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 35.2% Greek @ 4.16
20 60.4% Bulgarian + 39.6% Lithuanian @ 4.2

[Dick]

Grahovo:



Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 21.63
2 North_Sea 16.34
3 Eastern_Euro 15.3
4 West_Med 14.73
5 East_Med 12.67
6 Atlantic 11.09
7 West_Asian 7.29
8 Siberian 0.46
9 Oceanian 0.34
10 Northeast_African 0.09
11 Sub-Saharan 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 6.63
2 Croatian 9.12
3 Serbian 9.17
4 Romanian 9.24
5 Bulgarian 10.11
6 Hungarian 11.27
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 13.08
8 Austrian 13.54
9 Ukrainian 13.59
10 South_Polish 14.18
11 Greek_Thessaly 16.14
12 East_German 16.17
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 16.4
14 Polish 16.78
15 Russian_Smolensk 16.89
16 Southwest_Russian 16.92
17 Greek 17.26
18 Estonian_Polish 18.71
19 Belorussian 18.79
20 Kargopol_Russian 19.41

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 56.6% Ukrainian + 43.4% Greek @ 4.78
2 54.8% Ukrainian + 45.2% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.97
3 51.3% Greek_Thessaly + 48.7% Southwest_Russian @ 5.25
4 80.3% Moldavian + 19.7% Greek @ 5.26
5 73.8% Ukrainian + 26.2% Cyprian @ 5.3
6 54.1% Greek_Thessaly + 45.9% Estonian_Polish @ 5.32
7 57.9% Ukrainian_Lviv + 42.1% Greek @ 5.32
8 79.5% Moldavian + 20.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.34
9 64% Ukrainian + 36% Central_Greek @ 5.37
10 50.5% Greek_Thessaly + 49.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 5.38
11 57.9% Greek_Thessaly + 42.1% Lithuanian @ 5.4
12 67.4% Ukrainian + 32.6% South_Italian @ 5.43
13 88.9% Moldavian + 11.1% Algerian_Jewish @ 5.43
14 90.2% Moldavian + 9.8% Cyprian @ 5.43
15 91.2% Moldavian + 8.8% Sardinian @ 5.46
16 90.2% Moldavian + 9.8% Libyan_Jewish @ 5.54
17 91.8% Moldavian + 8.2% Samaritan @ 5.54
18 89.1% Moldavian + 10.9% Italian_Jewish @ 5.57
19 71% Ukrainian + 29% Algerian_Jewish @ 5.57
20 92.2% Moldavian + 7.8% Lebanese_Christian @ 5.59




Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 40.7
2 Atlantic_Med 28.98
3 Caucasus 21.32
4 Southwest_Asian 4.18
5 Gedrosia 2.87
6 Siberian 1.55
7 Northwest_African 0.41

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarians (Behar) 8.81
2 Romanians (Behar) 9.02
3 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 10.75
4 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 10.99
5 German (Dodecad) 13.8
6 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 18.17
7 French (Dodecad) 19.32
8 Dutch (Dodecad) 19.47
9 French (HGDP) 19.5
10 O_Italian (Dodecad) 19.59
11 N_Italian (Dodecad) 19.64
12 Kent (1000Genomes) 21.56
13 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 21.7
14 English (Dodecad) 21.89
15 North_Italian (HGDP) 22.37
16 British_Isles (Dodecad) 22.85
17 TSI30 (Metspalu) 22.91
18 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 23.5
19 Tuscan (HGDP) 23.59
20 Polish (Dodecad) 23.71

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 69.6% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 30.4% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 1.23
2 52.9% TSI30 (Metspalu) + 47.1% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 1.38
3 55.8% TSI30 (Metspalu) + 44.2% Russian (Dodecad) @ 1.54
4 56.3% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 43.7% German (Dodecad) @ 1.7
5 55.7% TSI30 (Metspalu) + 44.3% Belorussian (Behar) @ 1.78
6 60.5% TSI30 (Metspalu) + 39.5% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 1.9
7 55.9% TSI30 (Metspalu) + 44.1% Russian_B (Behar) @ 1.93
8 62.7% TSI30 (Metspalu) + 37.3% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 1.93
9 50.1% Tuscan (HGDP) + 49.9% Polish (Dodecad) @ 1.94
10 62% Tuscan (HGDP) + 38% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 1.99
11 52.2% Tuscan (HGDP) + 47.8% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 2
12 74.3% Hungarians (Behar) + 25.7% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2.01
13 69.4% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 30.6% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 2.01
14 54.5% N_Italian (Dodecad) + 45.5% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.13
15 50.9% TSI30 (Metspalu) + 49.1% Polish (Dodecad) @ 2.16
16 55.1% Tuscan (HGDP) + 44.9% Russian (Dodecad) @ 2.21
17 59.8% Tuscan (HGDP) + 40.2% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 2.25
18 59.7% N_Italian (Dodecad) + 40.3% Russian_B (Behar) @ 2.25
19 74% Hungarians (Behar) + 26% Greek (Dodecad) @ 2.3
20 78.4% Hungarians (Behar) + 21.6% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.33



Dalmatian:



Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 20.89
2 North_Sea 17.53
3 Eastern_Euro 15.65
4 East_Med 14.08
5 West_Med 13.45
6 Atlantic 13.1
7 West_Asian 3.44
8 Amerindian 0.58
9 Sub-Saharan 0.46
10 Siberian 0.28
11 Oceanian 0.28
12 South_Asian 0.2
13 Southeast_Asian 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 7.73
2 Serbian 8.68
3 Croatian 8.92
4 Romanian 10.09
5 Hungarian 10.24
6 Bulgarian 11.21
7 Austrian 12.19
8 Ukrainian_Lviv 12.92
9 Ukrainian 13.19
10 South_Polish 13.68
11 East_German 15.05
12 Polish 15.87
13 Russian_Smolensk 16.44
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 16.44
15 Southwest_Russian 16.62
16 Greek_Thessaly 16.95
17 Greek 17.98
18 Estonian_Polish 18.04
19 Belorussian 18.08
20 Kargopol_Russian 18.79

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.3% Ukrainian + 28.7% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.85
2 58.7% Ukrainian + 41.3% Greek @ 5.24
3 71% Ukrainian + 29% Italian_Jewish @ 5.28
4 57.2% Ukrainian + 42.8% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.53
5 51.7% Greek_Thessaly + 48.3% Estonian_Polish @ 5.56
6 66% Ukrainian + 34% West_Sicilian @ 5.59
7 68.8% Ukrainian + 31.2% South_Italian @ 5.65
8 74% Ukrainian + 26% Libyan_Jewish @ 5.72
9 72% Ukrainian + 28% Sephardic_Jewish @ 5.79
10 53.2% Greek + 46.8% Estonian @ 5.81
11 51.8% Greek_Thessaly + 48.2% Belorussian @ 5.82
12 74.1% Ukrainian + 25.9% Tunisian_Jewish @ 5.83
13 51.9% Polish + 48.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.86
14 75.3% Ukrainian + 24.7% Cyprian @ 5.89
15 66% Ukrainian + 34% Central_Greek @ 5.91
16 72.5% Ukrainian_Lviv + 27.5% Algerian_Jewish @ 5.93
17 56.1% Greek_Thessaly + 43.9% Lithuanian @ 5.94
18 66.9% Ukrainian + 33.1% East_Sicilian @ 6.01
19 50.6% Southwest_Russian + 49.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 6.02
20 59.7% Ukrainian_Lviv + 40.3% Greek @ 6.03



Dubica(also 35 Baltic):



Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 20.42
2 Atlantic 18.87
3 North_Sea 17.75
4 Eastern_Euro 15.71
5 West_Med 9.89
6 West_Asian 7.47
7 East_Med 6.96
8 South_Asian 1.28
9 Siberian 0.65
10 Sub-Saharan 0.51
11 Oceanian 0.25
12 Amerindian 0.23

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 3.06
2 Moldavian 5.21
3 Austrian 5.63
4 Hungarian 6.47
5 Serbian 7.78
6 South_Polish 8.83
7 East_German 9.5
8 Ukrainian_Lviv 9.59
9 Ukrainian 10.01
10 Romanian 10.3
11 Polish 11.08
12 Russian_Smolensk 11.66
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 12.35
14 Bulgarian 12.61
15 Southwest_Russian 12.74
16 Estonian_Polish 14.06
17 Belorussian 14.21
18 Southwest_Finnish 14.56
19 Kargopol_Russian 15.38
20 Finnish 15.51

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 63.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 36.9% North_Italian @ 2.27
2 62.4% Southwest_Russian + 37.6% North_Italian @ 2.47
3 73.8% Croatian + 26.2% Austrian @ 2.47
4 52.6% Moldavian + 47.4% Austrian @ 2.6
5 82.1% Croatian + 17.9% Serbian @ 2.6
6 95.7% Croatian + 4.3% Tadjik @ 2.63
7 95.9% Croatian + 4.1% Turkmen @ 2.65
8 93.9% Croatian + 6.1% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.66
9 94.1% Croatian + 5.9% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.67
10 94.4% Croatian + 5.6% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.68
11 96.3% Croatian + 3.7% Afghan_Tadjik @ 2.69
12 96.3% Croatian + 3.7% Afghan_Uzbeki @ 2.7
13 96.6% Croatian + 3.4% Afghan_Pashtun @ 2.7
14 95.9% Croatian + 4.1% Nogay @ 2.71
15 94.2% Croatian + 5.8% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.71
16 96.4% Croatian + 3.6% Afghan_Turkmen @ 2.71
17 96.5% Croatian + 3.5% Azeri @ 2.71
18 95.8% Croatian + 4.2% French_Basque @ 2.71
19 94.8% Croatian + 5.2% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.72
20 94.8% Croatian + 5.2% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.72





Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 45.12
2 Atlantic_Med 25.7
3 Caucasus 19.08
4 Gedrosia 3.87
5 Southwest_Asian 3.49
6 Siberian 1.76
7 South_Asian 0.98
8 Southeast_Asian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarians (Behar) 4.37
2 German (Dodecad) 11.79
3 Romanians (Behar) 12.16
4 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 14.12
5 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 14.32
6 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 17.91
7 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 18.35
8 Polish (Dodecad) 18.66
9 Dutch (Dodecad) 18.94
10 Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) 20.45
11 Swedish (Dodecad) 20.78
12 French (Dodecad) 21.49
13 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 21.52
14 Kent (1000Genomes) 21.62
15 English (Dodecad) 21.75
16 French (HGDP) 21.82
17 Norwegian (Dodecad) 21.91
18 British_Isles (Dodecad) 22.61
19 Mordovians (Yunusbayev) 23.42
20 Russian (Dodecad) 23.52

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54.6% Russian (Dodecad) + 45.4% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 1.35
2 74.7% Hungarians (Behar) + 25.3% Romanians (Behar) @ 1.52
3 77.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 22.5% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 1.56
4 91.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 8.5% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 1.57
5 77.8% Hungarians (Behar) + 22.2% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 1.64
6 91.8% Hungarians (Behar) + 8.2% Turks (Behar) @ 1.66
7 93.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 6.8% Armenians (Behar) @ 1.7
8 93.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 6.8% Armenian (Dodecad) @ 1.76
9 92.3% Hungarians (Behar) + 7.7% Cypriots (Behar) @ 1.77
10 93.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 6.8% Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) @ 1.79
11 93.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 6.9% Druze (HGDP) @ 1.8
12 55.2% Russian (Dodecad) + 44.8% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 1.82
13 93.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 6.8% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 1.86
14 93.4% Hungarians (Behar) + 6.6% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) @ 1.87
15 90% Hungarians (Behar) + 10% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 1.88
16 93.4% Hungarians (Behar) + 6.6% Assyrian (Dodecad) @ 1.9
17 51.1% Russian_B (Behar) + 48.9% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.9
18 58.1% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 41.9% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 1.94
19 88.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 11.9% Greek (Dodecad) @ 1.98
20 90.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 9.8% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 1.99



and Herzegovinian k15 which you asked me for before, i think:



Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 23.97
2 Atlantic 17.99
3 Eastern_Euro 14.95
4 North_Sea 14.01
5 West_Asian 10.71
6 West_Med 9.35
7 East_Med 7.47
8 Red_Sea 1.55

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 5.44
2 Moldavian 6.64
3 Austrian 9.67
4 South_Polish 10.25
5 Serbian 10.28
6 Hungarian 10.38
7 Romanian 10.56
8 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.67
9 Russian_Smolensk 11.49
10 Ukrainian 11.55
11 Ukrainian_Belgorod 11.7
12 Bulgarian 11.99
13 Polish 12.54
14 Southwest_Russian 12.62
15 East_German 13.92
16 Belorussian 14.17
17 Estonian_Polish 14.19
18 Kargopol_Russian 16.79
19 Lithuanian 17.63
20 Estonian 18.26

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 51.1% Russian_Smolensk + 48.9% Bulgarian @ 3.17
2 50.7% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 49.3% Bulgarian @ 3.53
3 65% Russian_Smolensk + 35% Greek @ 3.69
4 54.6% Bulgarian + 45.4% Estonian_Polish @ 3.73
5 52.4% Romanian + 47.6% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.82
6 70.6% Russian_Smolensk + 29.4% Central_Greek @ 3.83
7 54.6% Bulgarian + 45.4% Belorussian @ 3.84
8 51.4% Bulgarian + 48.6% Southwest_Russian @ 3.92
9 73.2% Russian_Smolensk + 26.8% South_Italian @ 3.96
10 70% Russian_Smolensk + 30% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.98
11 91.7% Croatian + 8.3% North_Ossetian @ 4.01
12 91.5% Croatian + 8.5% Adygei @ 4.03
13 93.1% Croatian + 6.9% Abhkasian @ 4.07
14 53% Romanian + 47% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.08
15 91.1% Croatian + 8.9% Kabardin @ 4.09
16 92.8% Croatian + 7.2% Georgian @ 4.11
17 91.5% Croatian + 8.5% Balkar @ 4.14
18 71.5% Russian_Smolensk + 28.5% East_Sicilian @ 4.14
19 64.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 35.2% Greek @ 4.16
20 60.4% Bulgarian + 39.6% Lithuanian @ 4.2



Whats the highest Baltic you’ve seen on k15? The highest I’ve seen is 25.79

[vbnetkhio]

Whats the highest Baltic you’ve seen on k15? The highest I’ve seen is 25.79

i didn't really look into k15 results much tbh (except the pca). i don't like the Eastern_Euro component.

[Leto]

i didn't really look into k15 results much tbh (except the pca). i don't like the Eastern_Euro component.
Yes, I've seen a couple of people from my genetic group who get totally ordinary K13 results and pretty messed-up K15. Like a lot of the Atlantic gets sucked into the North_Sea or vice versa. Makes no sense.

[Pribislav]

They are more Aryan than Croats :D

This is Aryan https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61qh80EB1IL._AC_.jpg

[Bosniensis]

Those results from VBN really show how different I am from them.

Really surprising results.

Balkans suffered a lot from foreign invasions.

[Pribislav]

Those results from VBN really show how different I am from them.

Really surprising results.

Balkans suffered a lot from foreign invasions.

Be proud because you are more Vlach then them! That means you are more related with Romans. :)

[Bosniensis]

Be proud because you are more Vlach tgen them! That means you are more related with Romans. :)

I am paternally from Proto-Villanovians cultures (I2) as many Serbs, but our cultures and identites have been destroyed by Yamnaya invaders who spread their R1b/R1a languages, Cultures and everything.

Just like Anatolians are Turkified, the same way we are Indo-Europeanized.

Ancient Roman modern proxy would be MALE Sardinian + FEMALE Assyrian

Child of those two would be Roman.

Then if that child would marry pure Udmurt or Slavic women and accept it's culture and language

Then you get Serb or Vlach.





R1b homeplace.

Excavations of Yamnaya 11 x R1b

1. Udmurts 65 - 70% Just a bit more and they would be able to grow horns.
2. Volga Tatars - 55%
3. Nuristanis - 50%
4. Nordics - 50%
5. Yaghnobis - 50%
6. Kalash - 45-50%
7. NW Europeans - 45%
8. Eastern Europeans - 40%
9. Afgan Pashtuns - 40%
10. Germans - 37-40%
11. Upper Caste South Asians 35%
12. Tajiks 35%
13. Southern Europeans 20-30%
14. Iranians 20-25%
15. Mid Caste Southern Pooeaters 20%
16. Armenians 15%
17. Assyrians 15%
18. Sardinians 15%


Sardinians + Assyrian = Ancient Greco-Romans or even modern Greeks if you squeeze devils Yamnaya presence.

[Pribislav]

I am paternally from Proto-Villanovians cultures (I2) as many Serbs, but our cultures and identites have been destroyed by Yamnaya invaders who spread their R1b/R1a languages, Cultures and everything.

Just like Anatolians are Turkified, the same way we are Indo-Europeanized.

Ancient Roman modern proxy would be MALE Sardinian + FEMALE Assyrian

Child of those two would be Roman.

Then if that child would marry pure Udmurt or Slavic women and accept it's culture and language

Then you get Serb or Vlach.





R1b homeplace.

Excavations of Yamnaya 11 x R1b

1. Udmurts 65 - 70% Just a bit more and they would be able to grow horns.
2. Volga Tatars - 55%
3. Nuristanis - 50%
4. Nordics - 50%
5. Yaghnobis - 50%
6. Kalash - 45-50%
7. NW Europeans - 45%
8. Eastern Europeans - 40%
9. Afgan Pashtuns - 40%
10. Germans - 37-40%
11. Upper Caste South Asians 35%
12. Tajiks 35%
13. Southern Europeans 20-30%
14. Iranians 20-25%
15. Mid Caste Southern Pooeaters 20%
16. Armenians 15%
17. Assyrians 15%
18. Sardinians 15%


Sardinians + Assyrian = Ancient Greco-Romans or even modern Greeks if you squeeze devils Yamnaya presence.

Serb from Banija with surname Došen carry I2-PH908 as you and he score 34.93 Baltic, and you are around 29 if I am remember well. His male ancestors were taking more often women dauthers of R1a men than yours or what?

[Leto]

Those results from VBN really show how different I am from them.

Really surprising results.

Balkans suffered a lot from foreign invasions.
So Vlatko Vukovic isn't your countryman? He's got a solid amount of Northeast European in him :cool:

[Dick]

So Vlatko Vukovic isn't your countryman? He's got a solid amount of Northeast European in him :cool:

Vlatko descends From Montenegrin serbs paternally, like Bosniensis Means his grandpa liked Baltic women to you then?

[Leto]

Vlatko descends From Montenegrin serbs paternally, like Bosniensis Means his grandpa liked Baltic women to you then?
I don't know, thought he was a normal Bosniak.

[Bosniensis]

Serb from Banija with surname Došen carry I2-PH908 as you and he score 34.93 Baltic, and you are around 29 if I am remember well. His male ancestors were taking more often women dauthers of R1a men than yours or what?

Yes in fact I am a bit more southern because of recent mixing.

We all mixed with Yamnaya women (I2 and J2 at least)

Let's be clear here, even Women are 50% - 50% but that's what you get when Pure Sardinian-like Ex West Balkaners meet Pure Yamnaya Avar or similar women

(This is confirmed in the book Kingdom of the Slavs) mixing started around 6th century.

Look this.

Vatra = Indo-European Yamnaya word.

PYR = Proto-European (Illyrian, Thracian) word for FIRE

We say: "Napiriti Vatru" we changed NAME but we kept Glagol (Verb)

Interesting isn't it.

[Pribislav]

I don't know, thought he was a normal Bosniak.

Many Bosniaks originated from Montenegro, Herzegovina and western/central Serbia.

In Ottoman time Nikšić currently second largest city in Montenegro was almost full Muslim.
In 1877 when Serbs liberated Nikšić from Ottomans Nikšić Muslims moved to the Bosnia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikšić

[Dick]

Yes in fact I am a bit more southern because of recent mixing.

We all mixed with Yamnaya women (I2 and J2 at least)

Let's be clear here, even Women are 50% - 50% but that's what you get when Pure Sardinian-like Ex West Balkaners meet Pure Yamnaya Avar or similar women

(This is confirmed in the book Kingdom of the Slavs) mixing started around 6th century.

Look this.

Vatra = Indo-European Yamnaya word.

PYR = Proto-European (Illyrian, Thracian) word for FIRE

We say: "Napiriti Vatru" we changed NAME but we kept Glagol (Verb)

Interesting isn't it.

Where is quote from that book regarding 6th century?


The historical context of the work is the Long Turkish War and the loss of the position of the southern Slavs in the rule of the Ottoman Empire after the hanging of Michael Kantakouzenos Şeytanoğlu (March 3, 1578) and the assassination of Grand Vizier Sokollu Mehmed Pasha (October 11, 1579). The Venetian Republic, through its protégés, Validе Sultanas, succeeded in displacing the Republic of Dubrovnik from its position in the Mediterranean trade by constructing a port in Split.[2]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_the_Slavs

[Bosniensis]

Where is quote from that book regarding 6th century?



I'll check it out, and I will show you.

However I've found in the book "Putopis Popa Dukljanina" where it says that Slavs and Christians of Dalmatia (Illyrians)
signed a peace treaty where Slavs accepted Christianity etc...

That's it, related to that part in "Kingdom of the Slavs" Book, it's just that Dalmatians were not yet conquered in 6th century
so they were able to steal womans from Avars in Pannonia (who were turko-slavic mix). For some reason there was lack of Women (probably previous sacks took womens into slavery)

That's it I2a1b + R1a friendship and Illyro-Slavic world we live today.

[Dick]

I'll check it out, and I will show you.

However I've found in the book "Putopis Popa Dukljanina" where it says that Slavs and Christians of Dalmatia (Illyrians)
signed a peace treaty where Slavs accepted Christianity etc...

That's it, related to that part in "Kingdom of the Slavs" Book, it's just that Dalmatians were not yet conquered in 6th century
so they were able to steal womans from Avars in Pannonia (who were turko-slavic mix). For some reason there was lack of Women (probably previous sacks took womens into slavery)

That's it I2a1b + R1a friendship and Illyro-Slavic world we live today.

Yeah Avars were Slavo-corona mix

[vbnetkhio]

since i already ran them through k15...

https://i.imgur.com/Q0CaIYv.png

orange -Dubica
red- Herzegovina
blue - Dalmatian
green - Grahovo

[Pribislav]

since i already ran them through k15...

https://i.imgur.com/Q0CaIYv.png

orange -Dubica
red- Herzegovina
blue - Dalmatian
green - Grahovo

Dalmatian has similar position as Dick.
Dick is half Dalmatian Serb.

[Dick]

Dalmatian has similar position as Dick.
Dick is half Dalmatian Serb.

Guy from Grahovo has similar position as my father

[Pribislav]

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Here are components for K12b, K13, K15 and K36 of Serb who is 1/2 from Banija (father) and 1/2 from northern Bosnia (mother). His y dna is R1a, and his surname is Drljača.

Dedecad K12b
Gedrosia 2.03 Pct
Siberian 0.89 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 30.91 Pct
North_European 42.76 Pct
South_Asian 0.14 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 1.75 Pct
East_Asian 0.09 Pct
Caucasus 21.43 Pct
Sub-Saharan -


K13
North_Atlantic 26.86 Pct
Baltic 33.92 Pct
West_Med 17.91 Pct
West_Asian 6.03 Pct
East_Med 13.14 Pct
Red_Sea 0.39 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.02 Pct
Amerindian 0.07 Pct
Oceanian 0.21 Pct
Northeast_African 0.45
Sub-Saharan -

K15
North_Sea 19.01
Atlantic 16.23
Baltic 20.10
Eastern_Euro 13.79
West_Med 13.62
West_Asian 6.64
East_Med 10.37
Red_Sea -
South_Asian - 0
Southeast_Asian - 0
Siberian - 0.24
Amerindian - 0
Oceanian - 0
Northeast_African - 0
Sub-Saharan - 0

Eurogenes K36
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque -
Central_African -
Central_Euro 9.53
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 10.41
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro - 16.80
East_Med 4.69
Eastern_Euro 12.43
Fennoscandian 7.28
French 0.41
Iberian 4.98
Indo-Chinese -
Italian - 14.17
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 5.02
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 8.31
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 1.03
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 4.94


Can you put him on the map?

[vbnetkhio]

Here are components for K12b, K13, K15 and K36 of Serb who is 1/2 from Banija (father) and 1/2 from northern Bosnia (mother). His y dna is R1a, and his surname is Drljača.

K13
North_Atlantic 26.86 Pct
Baltic 33.92 Pct
West_Med 17.91 Pct
West_Asian 6.03 Pct
East_Med 13.14 Pct
Red_Sea 0.39 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.02 Pct
Amerindian 0.07 Pct
Oceanian 0.21 Pct
Northeast_African 0.45
Sub-Saharan -



Serb from Veliki Obljaj (his y dna is I2-PH908) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veliki_Obljaj

K13
North_Atlantic - 27.70
Baltic - 34.93
West_Med - 16.91
West_Asian - 5.45
East_Med - 12.16
Red_Sea - 0.39
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian - 2.08
Amerindian - 0.27
Oceanian - 0.11
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -


no offense, but how do you know these results are real if you don't have their gedmatch kit numbers?
i mean, they are within Serbian range, but i don't believe that every single Banija Serb is 33 or 34 Baltic. i believe they range from 25-35 with the average being 30.

[JohnnyP]

What is lowest Serbian Baltic ?And can you post the kit?

[Pribislav]

no offense, but how do you know these results are real if you don't have their gedmatch kit numbers?
i mean, they are within Serbian range, but i don't believe that every single Banija Serb is 33 or 34 Baltic. i believe they range from 25-35 with the average being 30.

That is lowe Baltic score than Dubica Serb posted by you.

I got that component from guy on my Gmail. Some people from diaspora don't want to share their kits, it's sensitive thing. It's too much what I said his surname publically.

[Dušan]

Here are components for K12b, K13, K15 and K36 of Serb who is 1/2 from Banija (father) and 1/2 from northern Bosnia (mother). His y dna is R1a, and his surname is Drljača.


Eurogenes K36
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque -
Central_African -
Central_Euro 9.53
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 10.41
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro - 16.80
East_Med 4.69
Eastern_Euro 12.43
Fennoscandian 7.28
French 0.41
Iberian 4.98
Indo-Chinese -
Italian - 14.17
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 5.02
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 8.31
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 1.03
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 4.94


Can you put him on the map?

https://i.imgur.com/mgPVRk2.jpg

[vbnetkhio]

What is lowest Serbian Baltic ?And can you post the kit?

these 2 academic samples from Podgorica, 21-22. but they might as well be ethnic Albanians from Montenegro.
YL5365877 Montenegrin11
KL5552400 Montenegrin14

the lowest confirmed full Serb is this:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?299002-South-Slavic-amp-neighbours-Eurogenes-results&p=6356479&highlight=kosovo#post6356479

[Leto]

these 2 academic samples from Podgorica, 21-22. but they might as well be ethnic Albanians from Montenegro.
YL5365877 Montenegrin11
KL5552400 Montenegrin14

the lowest confirmed full Serb is this:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?299002-South-Slavic-amp-neighbours-Eurogenes-results&p=6356479&highlight=kosovo#post6356479
I guess the vast majority of Serbs (like 80-90%) would be in the 27-33% range. Or maybe even 28-32%.

[vbnetkhio]

That is lowe Baltic score than Dubica Serb posted by you.

I got that component from guy on my Gmail. Some people from diaspora don't want to share their kits, it's sensitive thing. It's too much what I said his surname publically.

what the hell could i do with their kits. even if you posted them here publicly it would take them 5 minutes to change their kit numbers.

[JohnnyP]

these 2 academic samples from Podgorica, 21-22. but they might as well be ethnic Albanians from Montenegro.
YL5365877 Montenegrin11
KL5552400 Montenegrin14

the lowest confirmed full Serb is this:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?299002-South-Slavic-amp-neighbours-Eurogenes-results&p=6356479&highlight=kosovo#post6356479

Nice,that Serbian from Macedonia looks Macedonian.

[,1] [,2]
[1,] "Bulgarian" "3.7448"
[2,] "Macedonian_East" "3.9771"
[3,] "Macedonian" "4.1631"
[4,] "Romanian_Muntenia" "4.2554"
[5,] "North_Macedonian" "4.4114"
[6,] "Bulgarian_Central" "4.7558"
[7,] "Bulgarian_Plovdiv" "5.0003"
[8,] "Pomak_Plovdiv" "5.0214"
[9,] "Macedonian_Northwest" "5.0679"
[10,] "Pomak_Nevrokopi" "5.1044"
[11,] "Romanian_Oltenia" "5.2634"
[12,] "Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora" "5.302"
[13,] "Bulgarian_Southwest" "5.483"
[14,] "Bulgarian_North-Rhodope" "5.6141"
[15,] "Greek_Northern-Thrace" "5.6267"
[16,] "Macedonian_North" "5.7952"
[17,] "Bulgarian_Gabrovo" "5.9361"
[18,] "Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central" "6.1011"
[19,] "Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander" "6.2916"
[20,] "Bulgarian_Pleven" "6.4289"
[21,] "Montenegrin" "6.6223"
[22,] "Macedonian_Central" "6.6225"
[23,] "Romanian_Transylvania" "6.7157"
[24,] "Bosniak_Sandzak" "6.8944"
[25,] "Turk_Razgrad" "7.1197"
[26,] "Greek_Thessaloniki" "7.2339"
[27,] "Bulgarian_Sofia" "7.2347"
[28,] "Bulgarian_Serres" "7.3024"
[29,] "Greek_Western-Macedonia" "7.3851"
[30,] "Romanian_South_Central_Moldova" "7.4637"
[31,] "Romanian_Average" "7.5187"
[32,] "Turk_N-Macedonia" "7.6335"
[33,] "Macedonian_Southwest" "7.6483"
[34,] "Turk_Thessaloniki" "7.8025"
[35,] "Pomak_Drama" "7.8627"
[36,] "Vlach_North-Macedonia" "7.9416"
[37,] "Macedonian_Greece" "8.049"
[38,] "Kosovo_Albanian" "8.0833"
[39,] "Pomak_Central-Macedonia" "8.1894"
[40,] "Macedonian_Southeast" "8.3822"
[41,] "Turk_Kavala" "8.4521"
[42,] "Bulgarian_Pazardzhik" "8.4611"
[43,] "Greek_Central-Macedonia" "8.7834"
[44,] "Bulgarian_Burgas" "8.8626"
[45,] "Bulgarian_Eastern-Rhodopes" "8.8895"
[46,] "Bulgarian_Thrace" "9.0603"
[47,] "Turk_Dobrich" "9.1272"
[48,] "Turk_Drama" "9.3138"
[49,] "Turk_Kazanlik" "9.5315"
[50,] "Serbian_new" "9.8001"



[,1]
[1,] "38.8 % Greek_Western-Macedonia + 61.2 % Pomak_Plovdiv"
[2,] "22.1 % Hungarian_Transdanubia + 77.9 % Greek_Northern-Thrace"
[3,] "12.8 % Swedish + 87.2 % Greek_Northern-Thrace"
[4,] "50.1 % Bulgarian_Plovdiv + 49.9 % Pomak_Plovdiv"
[5,] "19.2 % Austrian + 80.8 % Greek_Northern-Thrace"
[6,] "13.3 % Danish + 86.7 % Greek_Northern-Thrace"
[7,] "12.2 % Norwegian + 87.8 % Greek_Northern-Thrace"
[8,] "38.8 % Macedonian_Greece + 61.2 % Bulgarian_Southwest"
[9,] "13.8 % North_German + 86.2 % Greek_Northern-Thrace"
[10,] "17.6 % East_German + 82.4 % Greek_Northern-Thrace"
[11,] "12.3 % North-Swedish + 87.7 % Greek_Northern-Thrace"
[12,] "12.3 % North-Dutch + 87.7 % Greek_Northern-Thrace"
[13,] "15.8 % German_east + 84.2 % Greek_Northern-Thrace"
[14,] "19.5 % Hungarian_East + 80.5 % Greek_Northern-Thrace"
[15,] "29.5 % Slovenian + 70.5 % Turk_Thessaloniki"
[16,] "22.7 % Hungarian_New + 77.3 % Greek_Northern-Thrace"
[17,] "49.1 % Greek_Northern-Thrace + 50.9 % Bulgarian_Southwest"
[18,] "65.6 % Pomak_Plovdiv + 34.4 % Turk_Kavala"
[19,] "14.7 % German_West + 85.3 % Greek_Northern-Thrace"
[20,] "23.7 % Czech + 76.3 % Turk_Thessaloniki"
[21,] "37 % Croat_Split + 63 % Turk_Thessaloniki"
[22,] "19.1 % Kaykavian_Croatian + 80.9 % Greek_Northern-Thrace"
[23,] "17.2 % Czech + 82.8 % Greek_Northern-Thrace"
[24,] "43.7 % Serbian_new + 56.3 % Turk_Thessaloniki"
[25,] "54.3 % Greek_Northern-Thrace + 45.7 % Bulgarian_Pleven"
[26,] "55.8 % Bulgarian_Pleven + 44.2 % Turk_Thessaloniki"
[27,] "37 % Serbian_Bosnia + 63 % Turk_Thessaloniki"
[28,] "25.2 % Slovak + 74.8 % Turk_Thessaloniki"
[29,] "61.7 % Macedonian + 38.3 % Greek_Northern-Thrace"
[30,] "21.6 % German_east + 78.4 % Turk_Thessaloniki"
[31,] "30.5 % Bosniak_Tuzla + 69.5 % Turk_Thessaloniki"
[32,] "55.2 % North_Macedonian + 44.8 % Pomak_Plovdiv"
[33,] "32.9 % Bulgarian_Burgas + 67.1 % Pomak_Plovdiv"
[34,] "12 % Orcadian + 88 % Greek_Northern-Thrace"
[35,] "33.4 % Croat_Bosnia + 66.6 % Turk_Thessaloniki"
[36,] "71.1 % Macedonian + 28.9 % Turk_Thessaloniki"
[37,] "12.6 % Southeast_English + 87.4 % Greek_Northern-Thrace"
[38,] "43.1 % South_Croat_Morlach_Cluster + 56.9 % Turk_Thessaloniki"
[39,] "11.6 % Irish + 88.4 % Greek_Northern-Thrace"
[40,] "12.5 % English + 87.5 % Greek_Northern-Thrace"
[41,] "11.9 % Southwest_Finnish + 88.1 % Greek_Northern-Thrace"
[42,] "11.4 % West_Scottish + 88.6 % Greek_Northern-Thrace"
[43,] "23.2 % HungarianTA + 76.8 % Greek_Northern-Thrace"
[44,] "21.6 % South_Polish + 78.4 % Turk_Thessaloniki"
[45,] "26.2 % Hungarian_East + 73.8 % Turk_Thessaloniki"
[46,] "44.6 % Montenegrin + 55.4 % Greek_Northern-Thrace"
[47,] "21.4 % Slovenian + 78.6 % Greek_Northern-Thrace"
[48,] "34.8 % Kosovo_Albanian + 65.2 % Pomak_Plovdiv"
[49,] "45.7 % Greek_Western-Macedonia + 54.3 % Bulgarian_Pleven"
[50,] "11.4 % Scottish + 88.6 % Greek_Northern-Thrace"
[51,] "16 % West_German + 84 % Greek_Northern-Thrace"
[52,] "52.4 % Romanian_Oltenia + 47.6 % Greek_Northern-Thrace"
[53,] "67.8 % Bulgarian + 32.2 % Bulgarian_Southwest"
[54,] "21.8 % Czech + 78.2 % Greek_Thessaloniki"
[55,] "8.5 % Latvian + 91.5 % Bulgarian_Plovdiv"
[56,] "24.7 % Croat_Bosnia + 75.3 % Greek_Northern-Thrace"
[57,] "24.4 % Hungarian_East + 75.6 % Greek_Thessaloniki"
[58,] "17.9 % Slovak + 82.1 % Greek_Northern-Thrace"
[59,] "54.2 % Bulgarian + 45.8 % Macedonian_East"
[60,] "42.5 % Serb_Croatia + 57.5 % Turk_Thessaloniki"
[61,] "11.7 % Southwest_Russian + 88.3 % Bulgarian_Plovdiv"
[62,] "28.1 % Croatian + 71.9 % Turk_Thessaloniki"
[63,] "41 % Bulgarian_Pleven + 59 % Bulgarian_Plovdiv"
[64,] "65.6 % Bulgarian + 34.4 % Pomak_Plovdiv"
[65,] "14.9 % South_Dutch + 85.1 % Greek_Northern-Thrace"
[66,] "28.4 % Bosniak_Tuzla + 71.6 % Greek_Thessaloniki"
[67,] "33 % South_Croat_Morlach_Cluster + 67 % Greek_Northern-Thrace"
[68,] "33.5 % Serbian_new + 66.5 % Greek_Northern-Thrace"
[69,] "15.6 % Southwest_Finnish + 84.4 % Greek_Thessaloniki"
[70,] "77.3 % Macedonian_East + 22.7 % Bulgarian_Burgas"
[71,] "20 % South_Polish + 80 % Greek_Thessaloniki"
[72,] "24 % Kaykavian_Croatian + 76 % Greek_Thessaloniki"
[73,] "11.4 % Ukrainian_Belgorod + 88.6 % Bulgarian_Plovdiv"
[74,] "74.3 % Macedonian_East + 25.7 % Turk_N-Macedonia"
[75,] "21.5 % Greek_Istanbul + 78.5 % Pomak_Plovdiv"
[76,] "25.7 % Kaykavian_Croatian + 74.3 % Turk_Thessaloniki"
[77,] "11.6 % Southwest_English + 88.4 % Greek_Northern-Thrace"
[78,] "23.4 % East_German + 76.6 % Turk_Thessaloniki"
[79,] "28.1 % Hungarian_New + 71.9 % Greek_Thessaloniki"
[80,] "27.3 % Szekely + 72.7 % Greek_Northern-Thrace"
[81,] "9.8 % Erzya + 90.2 % Bulgarian_Plovdiv"
[82,] "27.4 % Serbian_Bosnia + 72.6 % Greek_Northern-Thrace"
[83,] "19.8 % German_east + 80.2 % Greek_Thessaloniki"
[84,] "17.8 % Swiss_German + 82.2 % Greek_Northern-Thrace"
[85,] "45.6 % Bulgarian_North-Rhodope + 54.4 % Pomak_Plovdiv"
[86,] "38.1 % Bosnian + 61.9 % Turk_Thessaloniki"
[87,] "46.2 % Greek_Thessaloniki + 53.8 % Bulgarian_Pleven"
[88,] "23.1 % Slovak + 76.9 % Greek_Thessaloniki"
[89,] "27.3 % Croat_Split + 72.7 % Greek_Northern-Thrace"
[90,] "28.2 % Greek_Istanbul + 71.8 % Bulgarian_Pleven"
[91,] "24 % Bosniak_Tuzla + 76 % Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central"
[92,] "71.9 % Romanian_Muntenia + 28.1 % Turk_Thessaloniki"
[93,] "9 % Lithuanian + 91 % Bulgarian_Plovdiv"
[94,] "51.1 % Romanian_Average + 48.9 % Turk_Thessaloniki"
[95,] "10.3 % Belorussian + 89.7 % Bulgarian_Plovdiv"
[96,] "19 % Polish + 81 % Turk_Thessaloniki"
[97,] "29.9 % Hungarian_New + 70.1 % Turk_Thessaloniki"
[98,] "51.8 % Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central + 48.2 % Bulgarian_Pleven"
[99,] "70.5 % Bulgarian_Southwest + 29.5 % Pomak_Xanthi"
[100,] "10.4 % Estonian_Polish + 89.6 % Bulgarian_Plovdiv"
[,2]



[,1]
[1,] "50% % Bulgarian_Plovdiv + 50% % Pomak_Plovdiv"
[2,] "50% % Greek_Northern-Thrace + 50% % Bulgarian_Southwest"
[3,] "50% % Bulgarian + 50% % Macedonian_East"
[4,] "50% % Romanian_Oltenia + 50% % Greek_Northern-Thrace"
[5,] "50% % North_Macedonian + 50% % Pomak_Plovdiv"
[6,] "50% % Macedonian + 50% % Macedonian_East"
[7,] "50% % Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central + 50% % Bulgarian_Pleven"
[8,] "50% % Romanian_Average + 50% % Turk_Thessaloniki"
[9,] "50% % Bulgarian_Southwest + 50% % Pomak_Nevrokopi"
[10,] "50% % Bulgarian_Central + 50% % Pomak_Plovdiv"
[11,] "50% % Greek_Northern-Thrace + 50% % Bulgarian_Pleven"
[12,] "50% % Macedonian_North + 50% % Bulgarian_Southwest"
[13,] "50% % Pomak_Plovdiv + 50% % Pomak_Nevrokopi"
[14,] "50% % Bulgarian + 50% % Romanian_Muntenia"
[15,] "50% % Bulgarian_North-Rhodope + 50% % Pomak_Plovdiv"
[16,] "50% % North_Macedonian + 50% % Romanian_Muntenia"
[17,] "50% % Macedonian_Northwest + 50% % Pomak_Plovdiv"
[18,] "50% % Macedonian + 50% % Romanian_Muntenia"
[19,] "50% % Romanian_Muntenia + 50% % Bulgarian_Plovdiv"
[20,] "50% % Romanian_Average + 50% % Greek_Thessaloniki"
[21,] "50% % Greek_Northern-Thrace + 50% % Pomak_Plovdiv"
[22,] "50% % Romanian_Muntenia + 50% % Macedonian_East"
[23,] "50% % Bulgarian_Southwest + 50% % Pomak_Plovdiv"
[24,] "50% % Macedonian + 50% % North_Macedonian"
[25,] "50% % Macedonian + 50% % Bulgarian_Plovdiv"
[26,] "50% % Montenegrin + 50% % Greek_Northern-Thrace"
[27,] "50% % Bulgarian + 50% % Macedonian"
[28,] "50% % Romanian_South_Central_Moldova + 50% % Greek_Thessaloniki"
[29,] "50% % Romanian_South_Central_Moldova + 50% % Turk_Thessaloniki"
[30,] "50% % Romanian_Oltenia + 50% % Pomak_Plovdiv"
[31,] "50% % Greek_Thessaloniki + 50% % Bulgarian_Pleven"
[32,] "50% % Bulgarian + 50% % North_Macedonian"
[33,] "50% % Greek_Western-Macedonia + 50% % Bulgarian_Pleven"
[34,] "50% % Romanian_Average + 50% % Greek_Western-Macedonia"
[35,] "50% % Macedonian_East + 50% % Pomak_Plovdiv"
[36,] "50% % Romanian_Muntenia + 50% % Pomak_Plovdiv"
[37,] "50% % Bulgarian + 50% % Pomak_Plovdiv"
[38,] "50% % Macedonian + 50% % Greek_Northern-Thrace"
[39,] "50% % Romanian_Muntenia + 50% % Pomak_Nevrokopi"
[40,] "50% % Greek_Western-Macedonia + 50% % Bulgarian_Sofia"
[41,] "50% % Macedonian_East + 50% % Pomak_Nevrokopi"
[42,] "50% % Greek_Northern-Thrace + 50% % Macedonian_Northwest"
[43,] "50% % Romanian_Transylvania + 50% % Greek_Thessaloniki"
[44,] "50% % Romanian_Oltenia + 50% % Bulgarian_Plovdiv"
[45,] "50% % Bosnian + 50% % GR_Peloponese"
[46,] "50% % North_Macedonian + 50% % Macedonian_East"
[47,] "50% % Bulgarian_Southwest + 50% % Bulgarian_North-Rhodope"
[48,] "50% % Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central + 50% % Pomak_Plovdiv"
[49,] "50% % Bulgarian_Southwest + 50% % Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora"
[50,] "50% % Romanian_South_Central_Moldova + 50% % Greek_Western-Macedonia"
[51,] "50% % Macedonian_Northwest + 50% % Bulgarian_Plovdiv"
[52,] "50% % Greek_Northern-Thrace + 50% % Bulgarian_Central"
[53,] "50% % Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central + 50% % Bulgarian_Southwest"
[54,] "50% % Romanian_Oltenia + 50% % Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central"
[55,] "50% % Bulgarian_Plovdiv + 50% % Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora"
[56,] "50% % Montenegrin + 50% % Greek_Thessaloniki"
[57,] "50% % Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora + 50% % Pomak_Plovdiv"
[58,] "50% % Bulgarian_Central + 50% % Pomak_Nevrokopi"
[59,] "50% % Macedonian + 50% % Pomak_Plovdiv"
[60,] "50% % Romanian_Transylvania + 50% % Greek_Northern-Thrace"
[61,] "50% % Montenegrin + 50% % Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central"
[62,] "50% % Bulgarian_Pleven + 50% % Turk_Thessaloniki"
[63,] "50% % Romanian_Muntenia + 50% % Bulgarian_Central"
[64,] "50% % Bulgarian_Pleven + 50% % Bulgarian_Plovdiv"
[65,] "50% % Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander + 50% % Bulgarian_Pleven"
[66,] "50% % Macedonian_Central + 50% % Bulgarian_Southwest"
[67,] "50% % Bulgarian_Plovdiv + 50% % Pomak_Nevrokopi"
[68,] "50% % Bulgarian + 50% % Bulgarian_Plovdiv"
[69,] "50% % Bulgarian + 50% % Bulgarian_Central"
[70,] "50% % Bulgarian + 50% % Bulgarian_Southwest"
[71,] "50% % Greek_Northern-Thrace + 50% % Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora"
[72,] "50% % Romanian_Transylvania + 50% % Turk_Thessaloniki"
[73,] "50% % Romanian_Oltenia + 50% % Macedonian_East"
[74,] "50% % Macedonian + 50% % Bulgarian_Central"
[75,] "50% % Romanian_Muntenia + 50% % Greek_Northern-Thrace"
[76,] "50% % Romanian_Muntenia + 50% % Bulgarian_Southwest"
[77,] "50% % Bosnian + 50% % Greek_Eastern-Thrace"
[78,] "50% % Romanian_Transylvania + 50% % Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central"
[79,] "50% % North_Macedonian + 50% % Pomak_Nevrokopi"
[80,] "50% % Macedonian_Northwest + 50% % Pomak_Nevrokopi"
[81,] "50% % Macedonian_East + 50% % Bulgarian_Central"
[82,] "50% % Bulgarian_Gabrovo + 50% % Pomak_Plovdiv"
[83,] "50% % Montenegrin + 50% % Turk_Thessaloniki"
[84,] "50% % Macedonian_East + 50% % Bulgarian_Plovdiv"
[85,] "50% % Romanian_Oltenia + 50% % Pomak_Nevrokopi"
[86,] "50% % Macedonian_East + 50% % Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora"
[87,] "50% % Bulgarian_Central + 50% % Bulgarian_Plovdiv"
[88,] "50% % Macedonian + 50% % Pomak_Nevrokopi"
[89,] "50% % Greek_Northern-Thrace + 50% % Bulgarian_Gabrovo"
[90,] "50% % Greek_Northern-Thrace + 50% % Bulgarian_North-Rhodope"
[91,] "50% % Romanian_Botosani + 50% % Greek_Western-Thrace"
[92,] "50% % Bosniak_Sandzak + 50% % Greek_Northern-Thrace"
[93,] "50% % Macedonian_Northwest + 50% % Bulgarian_Southwest"
[94,] "50% % North_Macedonian + 50% % Greek_Northern-Thrace"
[95,] "50% % Bosniak_Sandzak + 50% % Turk_Thessaloniki"
[96,] "50% % Macedonian + 50% % Bulgarian_Southwest"
[97,] "50% % Romanian_Oltenia + 50% % Macedonian_North"
[98,] "50% % North_Macedonian + 50% % Bulgarian_Central"
[99,] "50% % Romanian_Oltenia + 50% % Romanian_Muntenia"
[100,] "50% % Macedonian_East + 50% % Macedonian_Northwest"

[CommonSense]

I guess the vast majority of Serbs (like 80-90%) would be in the 27-33% range. Or maybe even 28-32%.

The average on gedmatch is 27 Baltic, 27 North Atlantic, while the average of poreklo members is 30 Baltic, 25 North Atlantic.

[CommonSense]

By the way the only breach in privacy you can suffer by giving away your kit number is people knowing your email. But if that bothers you, you can just use a throwaway.

[vbnetkhio]

Nice,that Serbian from Macedonia looks Macedonian.


he just lives in Macedonia, all his grandparents are from South Kosovo.
Montenegrins also have such results.

[Dušan]

The average on gedmatch is 27 Baltic, 27 North Atlantic, while the average of poreklo members is 30 Baltic, 25 North Atlantic.

Poreklo members average is more close to reality than old gedmatch one.

[Carpatz]

That is lowe Baltic score than Dubica Serb posted by you.

I got that component from guy on my Gmail. Some people from diaspora don't want to share their kits, it's sensitive thing. It's too much what I said his surname publically.

Is your guy hungrylion perhaps? :laugh:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?299002-South-Slavic-amp-neighbours-Eurogenes-results&p=6388137&viewfull=1#post6388137

[JohnnyP]

he just lives in Macedonia, all his grandparents are from South Kosovo.
Montenegrins also have such results.

I dont think Montenegrins score similar,but okay.He seems ethnicaly Macedonian from North-Northwest.

[vbnetkhio]

I dont think Montenegrins score similar,but okay.He seems ethnicaly Macedonian from North-Northwest.

they do. Podgorica samples:
https://i.imgur.com/PGjP3Gs.png

[vbnetkhio]

I guess the vast majority of Serbs (like 80-90%) would be in the 27-33% range. Or maybe even 28-32%.

kind of, 91/128 kits are 27-33, in the collection i used to make the statistics on the first few pages of this thread. that's 70%. but that also includes Montenegrins.

[Pribislav]

what the hell could i do with their kits. even if you posted them here publicly it would take them 5 minutes to change their kit numbers.

96215

^^
Banija Serb, surname Čavić.

Is it OK now?

[Dick]

^^
Banija Serb, surname Čavić.

Is it OK now?

what's his ydna?

[Pribislav]

what's his ydna?

I don't know.

[Dick]

^^
Banija Serb, surname Čavić.

Is it OK now?

match with me ;

Largest segment = 8.1 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 8.1 cM (0.227 Pct)
Estimated number of generations to MRCA = 7.3

1 shared segments found for this comparison.

120741 SNPs used for this comparison.

50.882 Pct SNPs are full identical

[Pribislav]

Is your guy hungrylion perhaps? :laugh:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?299002-South-Slavic-amp-neighbours-Eurogenes-results&p=6388137&viewfull=1#post6388137

Hey Gypsy, do you have some problem with me?

[Pribislav]

match with me ;

Largest segment = 8.1 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 8.1 cM (0.227 Pct)
Estimated number of generations to MRCA = 7.3

1 shared segments found for this comparison.

120741 SNPs used for this comparison.

50.882 Pct SNPs are full identical

:thumb001:

[Pribislav]

what's his ydna?

His dodecad K12b 96216

[Pribislav]

---

Branko Srećković, Serb from Bosnia (western).

96217

96218

[Dick]

Branko Srećković, Serb from Bosnia (western).


I dont match him nor hungrylion. We checked when he was active here

[Bosniensis]

Branko Srećković, Serb from Bosnia (western).



he miss east med and has higher NA and Baltic, probably because orthodox people in ottoman empire had more contacts with eastern orthodoxes.

myk13 reference

1 Baltic 28.79
2 North_Atlantic 25.11
3 West_Med 16.52
4 East_Med 15.27

[Pribislav]

96215

^^
Banija Serb, surname Čavić.

Is it OK now?

His K15 96222

[Pribislav]

Branko Srećković, Serb from Bosnia (western).

96217

96218

His K15 96223

[vbnetkhio]

2 from east Herzegovina + west Montenegro:


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 29.65
2 North_Atlantic 23.84
3 East_Med 18.22
4 West_Med 14.56
5 West_Asian 11.1
6 Red_Sea 1.17
7 Siberian 0.93
8 Oceanian 0.42
9 Northeast_African 0.11

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 4.77
2 Romanian 5.29
3 Bulgarian 6.45
4 Moldavian 7.79
5 Croatian 10.35
6 Hungarian 10.91
7 Austrian 14.83
8 Greek_Thessaly 15.26
9 East_German 16.26
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 16.38
11 South_Polish 16.94
12 Ukrainian 17.48
13 Southwest_Russian 19.98
14 West_German 20.11
15 Ukrainian_Belgorod 20.18
16 North_Italian 20.31
17 Polish 20.55
18 Tuscan 20.56
19 Italian_Abruzzo 21.48
20 South_Dutch 21.78

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 79.1% Bulgarian + 20.9% Belorussian @ 2.07
2 76.5% Bulgarian + 23.5% Southwest_Russian @ 2.1
3 76.8% Bulgarian + 23.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.18
4 68.4% South_Polish + 31.6% Cyprian @ 2.29
5 82.1% Bulgarian + 17.9% Lithuanian @ 2.3
6 78.6% Bulgarian + 21.4% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.34
7 79% Bulgarian + 21% Estonian_Polish @ 2.35
8 82% Bulgarian + 18% Estonian @ 2.38
9 73.8% Bulgarian + 26.2% South_Polish @ 2.46
10 51.8% Southwest_Russian + 48.2% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.47
11 82% Bulgarian + 18% Finnish @ 2.49
12 82.6% Bulgarian + 17.4% East_Finnish @ 2.59
13 51.3% Central_Greek + 48.7% Belorussian @ 2.61
14 77.6% Bulgarian + 22.4% Polish @ 2.62
15 57% Southwest_Russian + 43% South_Italian @ 2.65
16 74.6% Bulgarian + 25.4% Ukrainian @ 2.68
17 80.6% Croatian + 19.4% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.74
18 52.4% Southwest_Russian + 47.6% Central_Greek @ 2.74
19 81.4% Romanian + 18.6% Southwest_Russian @ 2.77
20 51.6% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 48.4% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.78



Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 27.63
2 North_Atlantic 21.12
3 East_Med 19.66
4 West_Med 16.41
5 West_Asian 11.87
6 Red_Sea 1.22
7 Amerindian 0.92
8 Oceanian 0.59
9 Siberian 0.33
10 South_Asian 0.25

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 3.66
2 Romanian 4.45
3 Serbian 6.84
4 Moldavian 10.25
5 Greek_Thessaly 12.21
6 Croatian 13.24
7 Hungarian 14.14
8 Austrian 17.72
9 Tuscan 18.7
10 Central_Greek 18.93
11 Italian_Abruzzo 18.99
12 North_Italian 19.24
13 East_German 19.26
14 Ukrainian_Lviv 19.33
15 South_Polish 20.24
16 East_Sicilian 20.31
17 Ukrainian 20.46
18 West_Sicilian 20.58
19 Ashkenazi 21.37
20 West_German 22.31

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88.1% Bulgarian + 11.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.92
2 88% Bulgarian + 12% Southwest_Russian @ 1.93
3 89.9% Bulgarian + 10.1% Erzya @ 1.94
4 91.1% Bulgarian + 8.9% Lithuanian @ 2.09
5 89.7% Bulgarian + 10.3% Estonian_Polish @ 2.15
6 89.5% Bulgarian + 10.5% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.17
7 89.9% Bulgarian + 10.1% Belorussian @ 2.18
8 90.2% Bulgarian + 9.8% Kargopol_Russian @ 2.2
9 54.9% Central_Greek + 45.1% Southwest_Russian @ 2.3
10 65.7% Greek_Thessaly + 34.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.31
11 87.8% Bulgarian + 12.2% Ukrainian @ 2.34
12 91.8% Bulgarian + 8.2% Estonian @ 2.42
13 87.5% Bulgarian + 12.5% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.42
14 89.6% Bulgarian + 10.4% Polish @ 2.44
15 55% Central_Greek + 45% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.46
16 50.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 49.7% South_Italian @ 2.48
17 92.2% Bulgarian + 7.8% East_Finnish @ 2.5
18 50.5% Southwest_Russian + 49.5% South_Italian @ 2.52
19 88.4% Bulgarian + 11.6% South_Polish @ 2.52
20 65.6% Greek_Thessaly + 34.4% Southwest_Russian @ 2.54


from the Pivljani tribe:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piva_(tribe)



Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 28.46
2 Baltic 26.8
3 West_Med 18.1
4 East_Med 14.78
5 West_Asian 8.45
6 Amerindian 0.81
7 Red_Sea 0.78
8 Northeast_African 0.78
9 Siberian 0.63
10 South_Asian 0.41

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 3.38
2 Romanian 5.8
3 Hungarian 8.4
4 Bulgarian 8.47
5 Moldavian 8.64
6 Croatian 10.09
7 Austrian 10.47
8 East_German 12.21
9 West_German 14.75
10 French 15.76
11 North_Italian 15.9
12 Greek_Thessaly 16.04
13 South_Dutch 16.22
14 Ukrainian_Lviv 16.73
15 South_Polish 16.85
16 Ukrainian 17.83
17 Tuscan 18.21
18 Portuguese 18.44
19 Spanish_Galicia 18.72
20 Spanish_Cataluna 19.2

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 58.2% North_Italian + 41.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.04
2 50.5% Ukrainian + 49.5% Tuscan @ 2.15
3 64.7% Croatian + 35.3% Tuscan @ 2.17
4 59.5% Bulgarian + 40.5% East_German @ 2.19
5 52% South_Polish + 48% Tuscan @ 2.22
6 61.6% Croatian + 38.4% North_Italian @ 2.25
7 57.8% North_Italian + 42.2% Southwest_Russian @ 2.26
8 89.6% Serbian + 10.4% Southwest_French @ 2.27
9 93.4% Serbian + 6.6% French_Basque @ 2.35
10 69.3% Romanian + 30.7% East_German @ 2.36
11 55.7% Bulgarian + 44.3% Austrian @ 2.4
12 90.2% Serbian + 9.8% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.42
13 53% Tuscan + 47% Polish @ 2.48
14 90.2% Serbian + 9.8% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.54
15 91.7% Serbian + 8.3% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.54
16 89.6% Serbian + 10.4% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.56
17 90.8% Serbian + 9.2% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.56
18 57% East_German + 43% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.57
19 65.6% Moldavian + 34.4% North_Italian @ 2.57
20 66.2% Romanian + 33.8% Austrian @ 2.59


Lika

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 33.99
2 North_Atlantic 20.75
3 West_Med 16.94
4 East_Med 13.97
5 West_Asian 10.97
6 Siberian 1.53
7 Red_Sea 1.16
8 Oceanian 0.68
9 Amerindian 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 5.13
2 Croatian 8.05
3 Serbian 8.54
4 Romanian 9.76
5 Bulgarian 10.48
6 Hungarian 11.93
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 13.04
8 Ukrainian 14.13
9 South_Polish 14.6
10 Austrian 16.1
11 East_German 16.65
12 Southwest_Russian 16.66
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 16.84
14 Polish 17.66
15 Russian_Smolensk 18.92
16 Greek_Thessaly 19.08
17 Estonian_Polish 19.41
18 Tatar 20.18
19 Belorussian 20.26
20 Kargopol_Russian 20.52

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67.8% Bulgarian + 32.2% Erzya @ 3.41
2 74.4% Ukrainian + 25.6% Cyprian @ 3.66
3 62.4% Bulgarian + 37.6% Southwest_Russian @ 3.82
4 62.7% Bulgarian + 37.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.85
5 67.4% Bulgarian + 32.6% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.9
6 92.5% Moldavian + 7.5% Cyprian @ 4.01
7 71.3% Bulgarian + 28.7% Lithuanian @ 4.01
8 93.7% Moldavian + 6.3% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.06
9 53.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 46.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.07
10 93.7% Moldavian + 6.3% Samaritan @ 4.1
11 65.7% Bulgarian + 34.3% Russian_Smolensk @ 4.12
12 61.2% Southwest_Russian + 38.8% Central_Greek @ 4.14
13 76.2% Ukrainian_Lviv + 23.8% Cyprian @ 4.14
14 58.4% Bulgarian + 41.6% Ukrainian @ 4.14
15 66.3% Bulgarian + 33.7% Estonian_Polish @ 4.15
16 65.4% Ukrainian + 34.6% Central_Greek @ 4.16
17 53.6% Southwest_Russian + 46.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.17
18 76.6% Moldavian + 23.4% Bulgarian @ 4.2
19 93.9% Moldavian + 6.1% Lebanese_Druze @ 4.2
20 93.8% Moldavian + 6.2% Assyrian @ 4.21


Banija



Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 33.74
2 North_Atlantic 25.67
3 West_Med 15.67
4 East_Med 15.22
5 West_Asian 7.83
6 Red_Sea 1.07
7 Oceanian 0.59
8 East_Asian 0.15
9 South_Asian 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 5.02
2 Croatian 5.79
3 Serbian 6.2
4 Hungarian 8.07
5 Romanian 9.34
6 Bulgarian 10.98
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 11.9
8 Austrian 12.23
9 South_Polish 12.35
10 Ukrainian 12.79
11 East_German 12.88
12 Polish 15.82
13 Southwest_Russian 15.92
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 16.32
15 Russian_Smolensk 17.73
16 Estonian_Polish 18.11
17 Belorussian 18.62
18 West_German 19.1
19 Greek_Thessaly 19.66
20 Kargopol_Russian 20.51

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 63.3% Bulgarian + 36.7% Belorussian @ 2.41
2 59.4% Bulgarian + 40.6% Polish @ 2.58
3 62.7% Bulgarian + 37.3% Estonian_Polish @ 2.58
4 53.1% Bulgarian + 46.9% South_Polish @ 2.62
5 68.4% Bulgarian + 31.6% Lithuanian @ 2.67
6 54% Bulgarian + 46% Ukrainian @ 2.7
7 61.8% South_Polish + 38.2% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.71
8 74.1% Ukrainian + 25.9% Italian_Jewish @ 2.72
9 60.9% Ukrainian + 39.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.79
10 55.6% Polish + 44.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.81
11 51.4% Belorussian + 48.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.82
12 68.1% Bulgarian + 31.9% Estonian @ 2.84
13 67.4% Romanian + 32.6% Belorussian @ 2.85
14 66.8% Romanian + 33.2% Estonian_Polish @ 2.86
15 62.3% Bulgarian + 37.7% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.86
16 85% Croatian + 15% Ashkenazi @ 2.86
17 72.2% Romanian + 27.8% Lithuanian @ 2.91
18 71.3% Ukrainian + 28.7% South_Italian @ 2.95
19 74.9% South_Polish + 25.1% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.95
20 54.2% Lithuanian + 45.8% West_Sicilian @ 2.96



Banija or Kordun



Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 30.74
2 North_Atlantic 27.22
3 West_Med 15.78
4 East_Med 13.35
5 West_Asian 8.18
6 Red_Sea 1.91
7 Siberian 0.76
8 Amerindian 0.69
9 Oceanian 0.58
10 South_Asian 0.49
11 Northeast_African 0.3

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 3.92
2 Moldavian 4.71
3 Croatian 5.98
4 Hungarian 6.08
5 Romanian 7.86
6 Austrian 9.9
7 Bulgarian 10.28
8 East_German 10.97
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 12.57
10 South_Polish 13.01
11 Ukrainian 13.82
12 West_German 16.27
13 Polish 16.6
14 Southwest_Russian 17.39
15 South_Dutch 17.73
16 Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.75
17 French 18.51
18 Greek_Thessaly 18.75
19 Russian_Smolensk 18.94
20 Estonian_Polish 19.42

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 60.9% Serbian + 39.1% Croatian @ 1.01
2 79% Croatian + 21% Tuscan @ 1.12
3 78.8% Serbian + 21.2% Ukrainian @ 1.25
4 77.2% Serbian + 22.8% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 1.32
5 81.9% Serbian + 18.1% Polish @ 1.37
6 81.7% Croatian + 18.3% West_Sicilian @ 1.38
7 66.7% South_Polish + 33.3% West_Sicilian @ 1.41
8 84.2% Serbian + 15.8% Estonian_Polish @ 1.45
9 61.6% Ukrainian + 38.4% Tuscan @ 1.45
10 87.1% Serbian + 12.9% Lithuanian @ 1.46
11 63.8% Ukrainian_Lviv + 36.2% Tuscan @ 1.48
12 53.9% Russian_Smolensk + 46.1% Tuscan @ 1.49
13 56% Southwest_Russian + 44% Tuscan @ 1.52
14 81% Croatian + 19% Italian_Abruzzo @ 1.52
15 55.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 44.5% Tuscan @ 1.53
16 84% Serbian + 16% Russian_Smolensk @ 1.54
17 61.1% Polish + 38.9% West_Sicilian @ 1.55
18 78.2% Serbian + 21.8% South_Polish @ 1.56
19 86.7% Serbian + 13.3% Estonian @ 1.57
20 84.8% Serbian + 15.2% Belorussian @ 1.64

[Pribislav]

..

[Pribislav]

2 from east Herzegovina + west Montenegro:


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 29.65
2 North_Atlantic 23.84
3 East_Med 18.22
4 West_Med 14.56
5 West_Asian 11.1
6 Red_Sea 1.17
7 Siberian 0.93
8 Oceanian 0.42
9 Northeast_African 0.11

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 4.77
2 Romanian 5.29
3 Bulgarian 6.45
4 Moldavian 7.79
5 Croatian 10.35
6 Hungarian 10.91
7 Austrian 14.83
8 Greek_Thessaly 15.26
9 East_German 16.26
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 16.38
11 South_Polish 16.94
12 Ukrainian 17.48
13 Southwest_Russian 19.98
14 West_German 20.11
15 Ukrainian_Belgorod 20.18
16 North_Italian 20.31
17 Polish 20.55
18 Tuscan 20.56
19 Italian_Abruzzo 21.48
20 South_Dutch 21.78

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 79.1% Bulgarian + 20.9% Belorussian @ 2.07
2 76.5% Bulgarian + 23.5% Southwest_Russian @ 2.1
3 76.8% Bulgarian + 23.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.18
4 68.4% South_Polish + 31.6% Cyprian @ 2.29
5 82.1% Bulgarian + 17.9% Lithuanian @ 2.3
6 78.6% Bulgarian + 21.4% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.34
7 79% Bulgarian + 21% Estonian_Polish @ 2.35
8 82% Bulgarian + 18% Estonian @ 2.38
9 73.8% Bulgarian + 26.2% South_Polish @ 2.46
10 51.8% Southwest_Russian + 48.2% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.47
11 82% Bulgarian + 18% Finnish @ 2.49
12 82.6% Bulgarian + 17.4% East_Finnish @ 2.59
13 51.3% Central_Greek + 48.7% Belorussian @ 2.61
14 77.6% Bulgarian + 22.4% Polish @ 2.62
15 57% Southwest_Russian + 43% South_Italian @ 2.65
16 74.6% Bulgarian + 25.4% Ukrainian @ 2.68
17 80.6% Croatian + 19.4% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.74
18 52.4% Southwest_Russian + 47.6% Central_Greek @ 2.74
19 81.4% Romanian + 18.6% Southwest_Russian @ 2.77
20 51.6% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 48.4% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.78



Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 27.63
2 North_Atlantic 21.12
3 East_Med 19.66
4 West_Med 16.41
5 West_Asian 11.87
6 Red_Sea 1.22
7 Amerindian 0.92
8 Oceanian 0.59
9 Siberian 0.33
10 South_Asian 0.25

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 3.66
2 Romanian 4.45
3 Serbian 6.84
4 Moldavian 10.25
5 Greek_Thessaly 12.21
6 Croatian 13.24
7 Hungarian 14.14
8 Austrian 17.72
9 Tuscan 18.7
10 Central_Greek 18.93
11 Italian_Abruzzo 18.99
12 North_Italian 19.24
13 East_German 19.26
14 Ukrainian_Lviv 19.33
15 South_Polish 20.24
16 East_Sicilian 20.31
17 Ukrainian 20.46
18 West_Sicilian 20.58
19 Ashkenazi 21.37
20 West_German 22.31

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88.1% Bulgarian + 11.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.92
2 88% Bulgarian + 12% Southwest_Russian @ 1.93
3 89.9% Bulgarian + 10.1% Erzya @ 1.94
4 91.1% Bulgarian + 8.9% Lithuanian @ 2.09
5 89.7% Bulgarian + 10.3% Estonian_Polish @ 2.15
6 89.5% Bulgarian + 10.5% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.17
7 89.9% Bulgarian + 10.1% Belorussian @ 2.18
8 90.2% Bulgarian + 9.8% Kargopol_Russian @ 2.2
9 54.9% Central_Greek + 45.1% Southwest_Russian @ 2.3
10 65.7% Greek_Thessaly + 34.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.31
11 87.8% Bulgarian + 12.2% Ukrainian @ 2.34
12 91.8% Bulgarian + 8.2% Estonian @ 2.42
13 87.5% Bulgarian + 12.5% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.42
14 89.6% Bulgarian + 10.4% Polish @ 2.44
15 55% Central_Greek + 45% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.46
16 50.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 49.7% South_Italian @ 2.48
17 92.2% Bulgarian + 7.8% East_Finnish @ 2.5
18 50.5% Southwest_Russian + 49.5% South_Italian @ 2.52
19 88.4% Bulgarian + 11.6% South_Polish @ 2.52
20 65.6% Greek_Thessaly + 34.4% Southwest_Russian @ 2.54


from the Pivljani tribe:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piva_(tribe)



Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 28.46
2 Baltic 26.8
3 West_Med 18.1
4 East_Med 14.78
5 West_Asian 8.45
6 Amerindian 0.81
7 Red_Sea 0.78
8 Northeast_African 0.78
9 Siberian 0.63
10 South_Asian 0.41

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 3.38
2 Romanian 5.8
3 Hungarian 8.4
4 Bulgarian 8.47
5 Moldavian 8.64
6 Croatian 10.09
7 Austrian 10.47
8 East_German 12.21
9 West_German 14.75
10 French 15.76
11 North_Italian 15.9
12 Greek_Thessaly 16.04
13 South_Dutch 16.22
14 Ukrainian_Lviv 16.73
15 South_Polish 16.85
16 Ukrainian 17.83
17 Tuscan 18.21
18 Portuguese 18.44
19 Spanish_Galicia 18.72
20 Spanish_Cataluna 19.2

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 58.2% North_Italian + 41.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.04
2 50.5% Ukrainian + 49.5% Tuscan @ 2.15
3 64.7% Croatian + 35.3% Tuscan @ 2.17
4 59.5% Bulgarian + 40.5% East_German @ 2.19
5 52% South_Polish + 48% Tuscan @ 2.22
6 61.6% Croatian + 38.4% North_Italian @ 2.25
7 57.8% North_Italian + 42.2% Southwest_Russian @ 2.26
8 89.6% Serbian + 10.4% Southwest_French @ 2.27
9 93.4% Serbian + 6.6% French_Basque @ 2.35
10 69.3% Romanian + 30.7% East_German @ 2.36
11 55.7% Bulgarian + 44.3% Austrian @ 2.4
12 90.2% Serbian + 9.8% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.42
13 53% Tuscan + 47% Polish @ 2.48
14 90.2% Serbian + 9.8% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.54
15 91.7% Serbian + 8.3% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.54
16 89.6% Serbian + 10.4% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.56
17 90.8% Serbian + 9.2% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.56
18 57% East_German + 43% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.57
19 65.6% Moldavian + 34.4% North_Italian @ 2.57
20 66.2% Romanian + 33.8% Austrian @ 2.59


Lika

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 33.99
2 North_Atlantic 20.75
3 West_Med 16.94
4 East_Med 13.97
5 West_Asian 10.97
6 Siberian 1.53
7 Red_Sea 1.16
8 Oceanian 0.68
9 Amerindian 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 5.13
2 Croatian 8.05
3 Serbian 8.54
4 Romanian 9.76
5 Bulgarian 10.48
6 Hungarian 11.93
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 13.04
8 Ukrainian 14.13
9 South_Polish 14.6
10 Austrian 16.1
11 East_German 16.65
12 Southwest_Russian 16.66
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 16.84
14 Polish 17.66
15 Russian_Smolensk 18.92
16 Greek_Thessaly 19.08
17 Estonian_Polish 19.41
18 Tatar 20.18
19 Belorussian 20.26
20 Kargopol_Russian 20.52

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67.8% Bulgarian + 32.2% Erzya @ 3.41
2 74.4% Ukrainian + 25.6% Cyprian @ 3.66
3 62.4% Bulgarian + 37.6% Southwest_Russian @ 3.82
4 62.7% Bulgarian + 37.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.85
5 67.4% Bulgarian + 32.6% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.9
6 92.5% Moldavian + 7.5% Cyprian @ 4.01
7 71.3% Bulgarian + 28.7% Lithuanian @ 4.01
8 93.7% Moldavian + 6.3% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.06
9 53.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 46.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.07
10 93.7% Moldavian + 6.3% Samaritan @ 4.1
11 65.7% Bulgarian + 34.3% Russian_Smolensk @ 4.12
12 61.2% Southwest_Russian + 38.8% Central_Greek @ 4.14
13 76.2% Ukrainian_Lviv + 23.8% Cyprian @ 4.14
14 58.4% Bulgarian + 41.6% Ukrainian @ 4.14
15 66.3% Bulgarian + 33.7% Estonian_Polish @ 4.15
16 65.4% Ukrainian + 34.6% Central_Greek @ 4.16
17 53.6% Southwest_Russian + 46.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.17
18 76.6% Moldavian + 23.4% Bulgarian @ 4.2
19 93.9% Moldavian + 6.1% Lebanese_Druze @ 4.2
20 93.8% Moldavian + 6.2% Assyrian @ 4.21


Banija



Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 33.74
2 North_Atlantic 25.67
3 West_Med 15.67
4 East_Med 15.22
5 West_Asian 7.83
6 Red_Sea 1.07
7 Oceanian 0.59
8 East_Asian 0.15
9 South_Asian 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 5.02
2 Croatian 5.79
3 Serbian 6.2
4 Hungarian 8.07
5 Romanian 9.34
6 Bulgarian 10.98
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 11.9
8 Austrian 12.23
9 South_Polish 12.35
10 Ukrainian 12.79
11 East_German 12.88
12 Polish 15.82
13 Southwest_Russian 15.92
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 16.32
15 Russian_Smolensk 17.73
16 Estonian_Polish 18.11
17 Belorussian 18.62
18 West_German 19.1
19 Greek_Thessaly 19.66
20 Kargopol_Russian 20.51

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 63.3% Bulgarian + 36.7% Belorussian @ 2.41
2 59.4% Bulgarian + 40.6% Polish @ 2.58
3 62.7% Bulgarian + 37.3% Estonian_Polish @ 2.58
4 53.1% Bulgarian + 46.9% South_Polish @ 2.62
5 68.4% Bulgarian + 31.6% Lithuanian @ 2.67
6 54% Bulgarian + 46% Ukrainian @ 2.7
7 61.8% South_Polish + 38.2% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.71
8 74.1% Ukrainian + 25.9% Italian_Jewish @ 2.72
9 60.9% Ukrainian + 39.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.79
10 55.6% Polish + 44.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.81
11 51.4% Belorussian + 48.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.82
12 68.1% Bulgarian + 31.9% Estonian @ 2.84
13 67.4% Romanian + 32.6% Belorussian @ 2.85
14 66.8% Romanian + 33.2% Estonian_Polish @ 2.86
15 62.3% Bulgarian + 37.7% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.86
16 85% Croatian + 15% Ashkenazi @ 2.86
17 72.2% Romanian + 27.8% Lithuanian @ 2.91
18 71.3% Ukrainian + 28.7% South_Italian @ 2.95
19 74.9% South_Polish + 25.1% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.95
20 54.2% Lithuanian + 45.8% West_Sicilian @ 2.96



Banija or Kordun



Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 30.74
2 North_Atlantic 27.22
3 West_Med 15.78
4 East_Med 13.35
5 West_Asian 8.18
6 Red_Sea 1.91
7 Siberian 0.76
8 Amerindian 0.69
9 Oceanian 0.58
10 South_Asian 0.49
11 Northeast_African 0.3

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 3.92
2 Moldavian 4.71
3 Croatian 5.98
4 Hungarian 6.08
5 Romanian 7.86
6 Austrian 9.9
7 Bulgarian 10.28
8 East_German 10.97
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 12.57
10 South_Polish 13.01
11 Ukrainian 13.82
12 West_German 16.27
13 Polish 16.6
14 Southwest_Russian 17.39
15 South_Dutch 17.73
16 Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.75
17 French 18.51
18 Greek_Thessaly 18.75
19 Russian_Smolensk 18.94
20 Estonian_Polish 19.42

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 60.9% Serbian + 39.1% Croatian @ 1.01
2 79% Croatian + 21% Tuscan @ 1.12
3 78.8% Serbian + 21.2% Ukrainian @ 1.25
4 77.2% Serbian + 22.8% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 1.32
5 81.9% Serbian + 18.1% Polish @ 1.37
6 81.7% Croatian + 18.3% West_Sicilian @ 1.38
7 66.7% South_Polish + 33.3% West_Sicilian @ 1.41
8 84.2% Serbian + 15.8% Estonian_Polish @ 1.45
9 61.6% Ukrainian + 38.4% Tuscan @ 1.45
10 87.1% Serbian + 12.9% Lithuanian @ 1.46
11 63.8% Ukrainian_Lviv + 36.2% Tuscan @ 1.48
12 53.9% Russian_Smolensk + 46.1% Tuscan @ 1.49
13 56% Southwest_Russian + 44% Tuscan @ 1.52
14 81% Croatian + 19% Italian_Abruzzo @ 1.52
15 55.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 44.5% Tuscan @ 1.53
16 84% Serbian + 16% Russian_Smolensk @ 1.54
17 61.1% Polish + 38.9% West_Sicilian @ 1.55
18 78.2% Serbian + 21.8% South_Polish @ 1.56
19 86.7% Serbian + 13.3% Estonian @ 1.57
20 84.8% Serbian + 15.2% Belorussian @ 1.64



I have to notice Krajinians (Lika, Banija, Banija/Kordun) have higher West_Med than East_Med, and Herzegovinians except Pivljanin have higher East_Med. Also Krajinians have higher Baltic (except these ones I think on Dubica, B. Grahovo, Dalmatian and some other recently posted) than these Herzegovinians. How to explain this if Krajinians are just East and Old Herzegovinians who moved to the northwest in 16th century.

[Jana]

I have to notice Krajinians (Lika, Banija, Banija/Kordun) have higher West_Med than East_Med, and Herzegovinians except Pivljanin have higher East_Med. Also Krajinians have higher Baltic (except these ones I think on Dubica, B. Grahovo, Dalmatian and some other recently posted) than these Herzegovinians. How to explain this if Krajinians are just East and Old Herzegovinians who moved to the northwest in 16th century.

Assimilation of Croatian orthodox converts trough centuries.

[Dušan]

Why do I feel terrible smell of Croatian virus on this topic? :puke

[Pribislav]

Assimilation of Croatian orthodox converts trough centuries.

You have same vibe as Stears on that avatar. :icon_rolleyes:

Where Tvrtko's Serbs disappeared? For sure Krajina Serbs are partly descendants of medieval Bosnian Serbs, not only of Herzegovina and Montenegro Serbs.

Also, Montenegro is vlachized genetically since early Ottoman period. I am sure present day Krajina Serb are genetically closer to medieval Montenegrin (Duklja) Serbs than modern Montenegrins or Serbs from Montenegro.

[Dušan]

I have to notice Krajinians (Lika, Banija, Banija/Kordun) have higher West_Med than East_Med, and Herzegovinians except Pivljanin have higher East_Med. Also Krajinians have higher Baltic (except these ones I think on Dubica, B. Grahovo, Dalmatian and some other recently posted) than these Herzegovinians. How to explain this if Krajinians are just East and Old Herzegovinians who moved to the northwest in 16th century.

Because we are not just from Herzegovina (East and Old), but from more eastern regions - Moravian Serbia with Kosovo, Macedonia etc.
Also Bosnia.

[Pribislav]

..

[Pribislav]

Because we are not just from Herzegovina (East and Old), but from more eastern regions - Moravian Serbia with Kosovo, Macedonia etc.
Also Bosnia.

Yes, of course.
Krajina Serbs started with exaggeration about origin from Montenegro 120 years ago, because Montenegrins (Serbs of Montenegro) were popular in serbdoom and Montenegrin origin was a matter of prestige.

[Dušan]

Yes, of course.
Krajina Serbs started with exaggeration about origin from Montenegro 120 years ago, because Montenegrins (Serbs of Montenegro) were popular in serbdoom and Montenegrin origin was a matter of prestige.

Yes.

And Feiichy is talking bullshit.

Our pre-Slavic component is Thracian - simmilar to modern south Italians and Greeks, not Ilyrian (close to North Italian).

[Jana]

Why do I feel terrible smell of Croatian virus on this topic? :puke

:dev:evilb::devil666:

[Pribislav]

Lika

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 33.99
2 North_Atlantic 20.75
3 West_Med 16.94
4 East_Med 13.97
5 West_Asian 10.97
6 Siberian 1.53
7 Red_Sea 1.16
8 Oceanian 0.68
9 Amerindian 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 5.13
2 Croatian 8.05
3 Serbian 8.54
4 Romanian 9.76
5 Bulgarian 10.48
6 Hungarian 11.93
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 13.04
8 Ukrainian 14.13
9 South_Polish 14.6
10 Austrian 16.1
11 East_German 16.65
12 Southwest_Russian 16.66
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 16.84
14 Polish 17.66
15 Russian_Smolensk 18.92
16 Greek_Thessaly 19.08
17 Estonian_Polish 19.41
18 Tatar 20.18
19 Belorussian 20.26
20 Kargopol_Russian 20.52

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67.8% Bulgarian + 32.2% Erzya @ 3.41
2 74.4% Ukrainian + 25.6% Cyprian @ 3.66
3 62.4% Bulgarian + 37.6% Southwest_Russian @ 3.82
4 62.7% Bulgarian + 37.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.85
5 67.4% Bulgarian + 32.6% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.9
6 92.5% Moldavian + 7.5% Cyprian @ 4.01
7 71.3% Bulgarian + 28.7% Lithuanian @ 4.01
8 93.7% Moldavian + 6.3% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.06
9 53.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 46.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.07
10 93.7% Moldavian + 6.3% Samaritan @ 4.1
11 65.7% Bulgarian + 34.3% Russian_Smolensk @ 4.12
12 61.2% Southwest_Russian + 38.8% Central_Greek @ 4.14
13 76.2% Ukrainian_Lviv + 23.8% Cyprian @ 4.14
14 58.4% Bulgarian + 41.6% Ukrainian @ 4.14
15 66.3% Bulgarian + 33.7% Estonian_Polish @ 4.15
16 65.4% Ukrainian + 34.6% Central_Greek @ 4.16
17 53.6% Southwest_Russian + 46.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.17
18 76.6% Moldavian + 23.4% Bulgarian @ 4.2
19 93.9% Moldavian + 6.1% Lebanese_Druze @ 4.2
20 93.8% Moldavian + 6.2% Assyrian @ 4.21



Nice Siberian score for Serbian standards.

[Bosniensis]

I have to notice Krajinians (Lika, Banija, Banija/Kordun) have higher West_Med than East_Med, and Herzegovinians except Pivljanin have higher East_Med. Also Krajinians have higher Baltic (except these ones I think on Dubica, B. Grahovo, Dalmatian and some other recently posted) than these Herzegovinians. How to explain this if Krajinians are just East and Old Herzegovinians who moved to the northwest in 16th century.

Well it's easy to explain. Italy used to be like Sardinia in the past aka. West Med. and Western Balkans (Bosnia and Croatia) used to belong Exarchate of Ravenna in the Late Western part of Roman Empire, and it was
Latin dominated part in Ancient Rome.

However, when west collapsed, Eastern Part of Empire (incorrectly called Byzantium) took over Southern Regions like this:

https://cdn.britannica.com/46/64946-050-3D7FE219/Byzantine-Empire.jpg


Roman Empire in middle ages was usually ruled by Greek speaking Anatolian Syrian, Persian and Armenian population who were carriers of Eastern Mediterranean
and influence of their soldiers is noticeable today.

Also let's not forget Ottoman Empire which was Islamic Eastern Roman Empire that also spread Eastern Mediterranean.

That's why Northern Regions have more Western Mediterranean and Southern more Eastern Mediterranean

But generally Illyrians and Thracians used to have around 30~ + 30~ before Slavic DNA came.

[Pribislav]

Serb from Nikšić.

1 Baltic 31.29
2 North_Atlantic 25.72
3 West_Med 16.85
4 East_Med 15.81
5 West_Asian 7.84
6 Red_Sea 1.69
7 Siberian 0.67
8 Oceanian 0.12

96305

96306

[Carpatz]

Hey Gypsy, do you have some problem with me?

Why are you and your homeboy still making up results? It's embarrassing.


The DNA results of the extremely northern shifted Serbs that plot close to HungryLion were most likely forged by HungryLion in my opinion. Their results are not only extreme outliers and without kit numbers/oracles, but show some weird patterns that make them look like they were forged. The results I'm referring to are those belong to Spasović, Grmuša, Atlagić (Dalmatia), Eić (Banija), Vrkić (Lika), and one nameless Banija Serb. If you notice; the final digit in their Baltic, North Atlantic, West Med, East Med, and West Asian scores all end in the same digit. Their Baltic scores all end in 6, their North Atlantic scores all end in 3, their West Med scores all end in 9, their East Med scores all end in 8, and their West Asian scores all end in 4. The reason for this is probably so that the components would all add up to 100% and HL was too lazy to give them different final digits to avoid screwing that part up. If you ask me, besides the already existing suspicion (outlier scores without kit numbers), this is way too much of a coincidence for the results to be real. Below, I've underlined the final digits of each of those components to show the eerily coincidental pattern present.

https://i.imgur.com/nxrFMDd.png?2

https://i.imgur.com/66WC0m9.png?2

https://i.imgur.com/Iivqgft.png?2

If these were for one or two different people, we could maybe say its a coincidence. But these are SIX different results of people that not only plot as extreme outliers and not only are without kit numbers, but all have the same final digit in the same exact components. So what do you guys think? All just a random coincidence or forged results?

[Pribislav]

Why are you and your homeboy still making up results? It's embarrassing.

Dear Vlach Gypsy, I have a tithes of Serbian kits. I don't have permission to show all them publically. I gave some kits to certain members on pm these days.

Opinion of Pashtun living in New York about Serbian genetic is not important.

[Leto]

Opinion of Pashtun living in New York about Serbian genetic is not important.
Yeah, fucking Mingle was obsessed with Balkan genetics, haha xD
Of course it's not a crime and I myself post various results but he acted like a fucking expert on the Balkans being a Pakistani living in New York.

[Pribislav]

Yeah, fucking Mingle was obsessed with Balkan genetics, haha xD
Of course it's not a crime and I myself post various results but he acted like a fucking expert on the Balkans being a Pakistani living in New York.

You can confirm, I sent you some Serbian kits on pm.

[Leto]

You can confirm, I sent you some Serbian kits on pm.
Yes.
According to Feiichy they are ex-Croats.

[Jana]

Mingle was expert on Balkans and a great mind, you don't need to live somewhere to study the region. Kits from HungryLion were forged.


Yes.
According to Feiichy they are ex-Croats.

Not exactly, but admixed. There is Croatian admixture in western Serbs, for God's sake. Just like there is Romanian admixture in Szekely, or East Slavic admixture in Poles from Ukraine and Belarus.

[Pribislav]

Yes.
According to Feiichy they are ex-Croats.

Feiichy like to trolling Serbs about genetic, history and physical appearance. This last is interesting, because she never visited Serbia.

[Jana]

Feiichy like to trolling Serbs about genetic, history and physical appearance. This last is interesting, because she never visited Serbia.

In Rijeka Serbs are probably 10-15% of population in the city proper. And google exists today, right? I am open to learn, but I do think Serbs have more Pontids for example than Croats do.
Or that Croats have more Alpinids and NeoDanubians.

[Leto]

Feiichy like to trolling Serbs about genetic, history and physical appearance. This last is interesting, because she never visited Serbia.
I'm not against her but she does swarthify Serbia and also Romania.

[Leto]

Mingle was expert on Balkans and a great mind, you don't need to live somewhere to study the region. Kits from HungryLion were forged.
True but for someone who is not even European, nor lives in Europe his deep interest was a bit strange.

[Jana]

I'm not against her but she does swarthify Serbia and also Romania.

Nope. I just say both are darker than Croats, and they are. It's simply a lie to claim otherwise. I never claimed Croatia is on par with Hungary and Slovenia, because it isn't.
Bosnia is pretty similar to Croatia in pigmentation, with southern Croatia being bit darker than Bosnia, and northern Croatia bit lighter, I would say.

[Leto]

Nope. I just say both are darker than Croats, and they are. It's simply a lie to claim otherwise. I never claimed Croatia is on par with Hungary and Slovenia, because it isn't.
Bosnia is pretty similar to Croatia in pigmentation, with southern Croatia being bit darker than Bosnia, and northern Croatia bit lighter, I would say.
You think Hungary is lighter than Croatia? I do think Hungary is darker than West Slavs.
By the way, Gedmatch isn't working properly at the moment, the oracles won't load. I found a Hungarian kit, will post it later.

[Pribislav]

In Rijeka Serbs are probably 10-15% of population in the city proper. And google exists today, right? I am open to learn, but I do think Serbs have more Pontids for example than Croats do.
Or that Croats have more Alpinids and NeoDanubians.

Are you forgot your troll thread about high amount of East Meds among Serbs?

Seya visited Belgrade this winter and she saw only few Meds there. She said that on other thread.

[Jana]

You think Hungary is lighter than Croatia? I do think Hungary is darker than West Slavs.
By the way, Gedmatch isn't working properly at the moment, the oracles won't load. I found a Hungarian kit, will post it later.

Yes, it's lighter. Hungary and Slovenia are quite similar in pigmentation, they are between Croatia/Bosnia and Czech Republic/Austria/Slovakia IMO.

[Jana]

Are you forgot your troll thread about high amount of East Meds among Serbs?

Seya visited Belgrade this winter and she saw only few Meds there. She said that on other thread.

OK, I apologize for trolling. East Med is def. rare, but it will pop put sooner among Serbs than Croats.
Thee are super rare East Med Croats though, like Mario Carević.

[Pribislav]

I'm not Dema and and there is an Albanian I know that match Macure on autosomal DNA. They came up as cousin.

That tribe was Albanian for sure. They match both in autosomal and paternally Albanians.


And no, it wasn't. All the evidence shows that Albanians originated North of the Jireck line where Latin influence was strong. Many Pre-Slavic tribes in Montenegro were Albanian in origin.





Plenty of mountain tribes that were recorded around there. Some of these tribes went extinct or were pushed out. As I have provided some evidence. Plenty of others of your tribes in Montenegro that were Albanian.

Duklija near Rashka was Albanian or Albanian-Vlach prior to Slavs according to historians



Even many tribes that survived and never fused into Slavs yet ironically you're telling some fairytale how Albanians came from Mat region, so you're telling me the Gruda area within Montenegro today came from Mat or the Hoti tribe or even Kelmendi ? Majority of them seem to of have no relation to the Mat region. What you're telling is just a fairytale.


We have presence of several early Albanian or Albanian-Vlach tribes in Montenegro and old Zeta, some of these seem to of fused into Serbs of course. Including Macure. There were others that were mix of Albanian-Slavic-Vlach.... The Balsic origin is disputed, but Crnojevic family were for sure partially Albanian.


There are no demographics of Northern Albania , that demographic included also Kosovo together and they certainly weren't a minority in Northern Albania. Those demographics aren't reliable as they also didn't count every mountain population whereas the Slavs largely settled in the lowlands.




Yeah, that area seem to of been quite Serbian according to D'Administrando :rolleyes:



You immigrated there in the 13th century, just like you immigrated into Albania and everywhere else then you pretty much lost that area by the 20th century that area was majority Albanian which you forcibly occupied. And claimed it as if it had been some Serbian homeland from the very start but it wasn't. What is so hard for you to understand about this exactly ?

Where is the native population that you claim ? Where are all your Y-DNA of Paleo-Balkan origin? Large chunk of them are pretty much related to Albanians. The only native population in Kosovo were some remnants of Arbanas (Albanians) and Vlachs, Bulgarians, Greeks, Jews and others that seemed to of been there before Serbs.

Albanians there were never settled for the most part by Ottomans.

As for your claim about NO Albanians being there before Ottomans in 17th century , Lets have a look:




Albanians mentioned in Kosovo under Stefan Dusan ^ . Yet you claimed there were NO Albanians there prior to the 17th century . This debunks everything you claim.

Who made up the majority there is irrelevant. I am strictly answering your claim. The Slavs that came there were immigrants. The native population were Albanians and Vlachs as also claimed by Hamp, Noel and many others.


Priot to Slavs, Kosovo was Albanian-Vlach mix. All the evidence sugggests this, that Kosovo, Northern Albania and Montenegro contained a Vlach-Albanian population. And that many of these people either were pushed out or fused into Slavs. And that they became a minority but after Ottoman occupation this reversed basically especially in Kosovo.


I know you keep beating around the bush and repeating yourself. You're people with identity crisis which is why you test so much DNA , you also claim Paleo-Balkan ancestors who were more or less like Albanians to fuel your own nationalism which is hilarious. Especially when everything shows you have immigrated into the Balkans pretty much and that the native people of the Balkans didn't automatically wanted to become Serbs as you portray, it happened through peer social pressure largely and occupation.

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia% 2Fcommons%2F9%2F99%2FMigration_of_serbs03_01.png&f=1&nofb=1



I see it's a waste of time to have a normal debate with your kind because no matter all the evidence that is provided you still live in denial.

Sockpuppet of IceT, tell me is God Albanian?

You spread fantasies here, Macure are I1-Z63. Since when this is Albo haplogroup?
Surnames Macura, Macurek, Macurski exist in Czechia, Poland and Ukraine. Macura surname is connected with Polish region Masuria (Mazury).

[Jana]

This map is wrong. White Serbia was never recorded there, only white Croatia.

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia% 2Fcommons%2F9%2F99%2FMigration_of_serbs03_01.png&f=1&nofb=1

Only mention of northern Serbia as tribal state was in area where Sorbs live today, eastern Germany and western Czech Republic. Dervan was ruler of white Serbs.
And white Croats lived further east of them.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ac/Dervan.png

[Pribislav]

This map is wrong. White Serbia was never recorded there, only white Croatia.


Only mention of northern Serbia as tribal state was in area where Sorbs live today, eastern Germany and western Czech Republic. Dervan was ruler of white Serbs.
And white Croats lived further east of them.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ac/Dervan.png

Dušan is probably right when he said that part of Celto-Germanic admixture in Serbs came from White Serbia.

[Pribislav]

@Est.1992

It was located somewhere around there, even where they settled isn't exactly detailed but who really cares ? You missed the point. I also see I posted this in the wrong thread.




The tribe is not Slavic in origin, it was recorded as a non-Slavic tribe. Either Vlach or Albanian.

Several Albanians have tested for I1-z63 including almost every Kabashi I have seen, as I explained and as other people explained. Also a branch of Gashi I know have tested from the Drenica region. They are Albanians. I explained everything.

This haplogroup came with Germanic populations and fused into some Albanians that lived in Montenegro around 400-600 AD more or less, these tribes aren't mentioned until 1000 years later almost by that time when they had fused into Serbs they were Albanian people. Same way Kabashi and others are Albanians. A haplogroup doesn't make you a different ethnicity just because it's atypical among your population. An EV-13 Serb is still a Serb, same an I2a1b Albanian is still an Albanian.

Not sure what other fantasies I spread ?


Mataruge / Matranga were an Albanian tribe too or Albanian-Vlach . That surname is found in Arbereshe. Plenty of other tribes recorded in Montenegro too that seem to have an Albanian origin.


What has God anything to do with being Albanian and this topic ? Seems like you think everything is Serb and belongs to Serbs when you're pretty much an immigrant tribe into the Balkans that found some Albos and Vlachs and carry our DNA which is what makes everything even more screwed up.


I guess you're gonna tell me all other Serbian tribes that were said to be Albanian or Vlach weren't Albanian either. Even Beljopavlici or whatever their name was seem to of been Albanians.

Surname Macura is most common in Serbia, Bosnia, Slovakia, Czechia and Poland https://forebears.io/surnames/macura

There is no Macura surname among Shiptars, deal with it!

I1-Z63 Shiptars are shiptarized, only real Shiptars by male line are R1b-BY611, J2b2-M241 and some E-V13.

We are not your genetic relatives, and we are not connected with you culturally, linguistically, and by religion, and leave us alone! Your genetic relatives are Aromanians and Epirote Greeks. Culturally and religious you the closest to Turks. Linguistically you not related with anyone, linguistic black sheeps or white ravens of Europe.

[Dušan]

Not exactly, but admixed. There is Croatian admixture in western Serbs, for God's sake. Just like there is Romanian admixture in Szekely, or East Slavic admixture in Poles from Ukraine and Belarus.

No, there is no Croatian admixture in western Serbs, there are no any proves for that. Todays Croatia was deep into Illyrian territory, and pre-Slavic component of Serbs from Croatia is not Illyrian, but clearly Thracian.

Good evidence is my mixed mode oracle.

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.4% Moldavian + 6.6% Sardinian @ 3.53
2 60.6% Ukrainian + 39.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.89
3 67.8% Ukrainian + 32.2% Central_Greek @ 4.09
4 54.1% Bulgarian + 45.9% Ukrainian @ 4.12
5 72.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 27.8% Sardinian @ 4.13
6 94.7% Moldavian + 5.3% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.16
7 71.1% Ukrainian + 28.9% South_Italian @ 4.17
8 90.6% Moldavian + 9.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.17
9 84.4% Moldavian + 15.6% Bulgarian @ 4.2
10 68.9% Ukrainian + 31.1% East_Sicilian @ 4.23
11 94% Moldavian + 6% Ashkenazi @ 4.24
12 62.8% Ukrainian_Lviv + 37.2% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.24
13 95.2% Moldavian + 4.8% Italian_Jewish @ 4.25
14 93.7% Moldavian + 6.3% Central_Greek @ 4.28
15 94% Moldavian + 6% East_Sicilian @ 4.28
16 94.6% Moldavian + 5.4% South_Italian @ 4.28
17 94% Moldavian + 6% West_Sicilian @ 4.29
18 96% Moldavian + 4% Cyprian @ 4.3
19 51.9% Bulgarian + 48.1% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.3
20 96% Moldavian + 4% Tunisian @ 4.3


This red component is not by origin from todays Croatia, but from central, south and east Balkan = THRACIAN.

[Jana]

Ofcourse there is, troll, you must be mentally sick to deny that. Admixture is measured IBD sharing and not gedmach. Personally you look 0% Croatian (and genetically) to me but your lone example is meaningless.
Mixing was especially common in Dalmatia and lot of Croats converted to orthodoxy (as well as in western Bosnia). That's why western Serbs have quite a lot typical Croatian surnames that don't exist in Serbia or Montenegro at all.

Even Pribislav admited admixture of Serbs and Croats in Dalmatia, because it's well known. Even Voyt ancestors were Croats who converted to orthodoxy and today they are ''Serbs''. LMAO.

Southern Croats don't score North Italian like admixture in majority, because Bronze Age Dalmatians were pulled SE by Roman admix most likely. I score it because I am part German, my father has some Germanic like input too. North Italian is south Italian + German. Tuscan like admix is far more realistic and that's what majority get.

This is gedmatch of coastal (Čakavian) Dalmatian Croat whose full ancestry is native to Kaštela up to before Ottoman migrations. So he has no any ancestry from BiH or Štokavian speakers.

Admix Results (sorted):

1 Baltic 34.39
2 North_Atlantic 26.92
3 West_Med 14.89
4 East_Med 12.56
5 West_Asian 5.67
6 Siberian 1.91
7 South_Asian 1.28
8 Red_Sea 1.22
9 Oceanian 0.51
10 Amerindian 0.47
11 Sub-Saharan 0.11
12 East_Asian 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

1 Croatian 4.06
2 Moldavian 4.68
3 Hungarian 6.31
4 Serbian 7.81
5 Ukrainian_Lviv 9.58
6 South_Polish 10.01
7 Ukrainian 10.49
8 Austrian 10.74
9 East_German 10.81
10 Romanian 11.55
11 Polish 13.5
12 Bulgarian 13.63
13 Southwest_Russian 14.01
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 14.73
15 Russian_Smolensk 15.64
16 Estonian_Polish 15.85
17 Belorussian 16.42
18 Kargopol_Russian 17.85
19 West_German 18.05
20 Southwest_Finnish 18.17

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

1 61.9% Estonian_Polish + 38.1% Tuscan @ 1.73
2 62.8% Southwest_Russian + 37.2% North_Italian @ 1.99
3 52.3% Estonian + 47.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.05
4 71.3% Ukrainian + 28.7% Tuscan @ 2.17
5 64.8% Southwest_Russian + 35.2% Tuscan @ 2.19
6 54.9% Lithuanian + 45.1% Tuscan @ 2.2
7 74.1% Ukrainian + 25.9% West_Sicilian @ 2.21
8 61.1% Belorussian + 38.9% Tuscan @ 2.43
9 65.2% Estonian_Polish + 34.8% West_Sicilian @ 2.45
10 79.7% South_Polish + 20.3% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.53
11 59.5% Estonian + 40.5% West_Sicilian @ 2.53
12 62.3% Russian_Smolensk + 37.7% Tuscan @ 2.54
13 78.9% Ukrainian + 21.1% Italian_Jewish @ 2.56
14 68% Serbian + 32% Estonian_Polish @ 2.59
15 62.6% Estonian + 37.4% South_Italian @ 2.64
16 58% Serbian + 42% Ukrainian @ 2.68
17 69.4% South_Polish + 30.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.7
18 59.9% Bulgarian + 40.1% Estonian @ 2.74
19 79.8% South_Polish + 20.2% Italian_Jewish @ 2.74
20 58.4% Lithuanian + 41.6% West_Sicilian @ 2.77

[Jana]

His K15

1 Moldavian 3.76
2 Croatian 4.2
3 Hungarian 5.2
4 Serbian 7.89
5 Ukrainian_Lviv 7.95
6 Austrian 8.43
7 Ukrainian 8.61
8 South_Polish 8.75
9 East_German 10.24
10 Romanian 10.5
11 Polish 11.38
12 Russian_Smolensk 12.49
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 12.79
14 Bulgarian 12.91
15 Southwest_Russian 13.01
16 Belorussian 14.37
17 Estonian_Polish 14.42
18 Southwest_Finnish 14.81
19 Finnish 14.89
20 Kargopol_Russian 15.51

1 76% Ukrainian + 24% West_Sicilian @ 1.61
2 73.1% Ukrainian + 26.9% Tuscan @ 1.78
3 79.9% Ukrainian + 20.1% Italian_Jewish @ 2.02
4 70.1% Ukrainian + 29.9% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.03
5 75.3% Ukrainian + 24.7% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.08
6 78.1% Ukrainian + 21.9% South_Italian @ 2.11
7 80.5% Ukrainian + 19.5% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.17
8 76.5% Ukrainian + 23.5% East_Sicilian @ 2.18
9 76% Ukrainian + 24% Central_Greek @ 2.27
10 52.4% Serbian + 47.6% Ukrainian @ 2.36
11 77.9% Ukrainian_Lviv + 22.1% West_Sicilian @ 2.41
12 80.5% Ukrainian + 19.5% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.41
13 71.8% Ukrainian + 28.2% Greek @ 2.42
14 75.1% Ukrainian_Lviv + 24.9% Tuscan @ 2.5
15 50.2% Serbian + 49.8% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.51
16 70% South_Polish + 30% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.55
17 63.8% Polish + 36.2% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.58
18 75.7% Ukrainian + 24.3% Ashkenazi @ 2.61
19 55.4% Ukrainian + 44.6% Romanian @ 2.63
20 55.7% Estonian + 44.3% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.76

All other samples in South Croat Slavic cluster have genetics like that.

K16 modern

1 Croat (Croatia) 2.6
2 Hungarian (Hungary) 3.1
3 Hungarian (Budapest) 3.48
4 Slovenian (Slovenia) 3.82
5 Croat (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 3.83
6 Bosnian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 3.93
7 Serbian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 4.23
8 Slovak (Slovakia) 4.4
9 German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) 4.48
10 Pole (EastPoland) 4.86
11 Pole (Wroclaw) 4.98
12 Czech (Czechia) 5.05
13 Cossack (Zaporozhie) 5.16
14 Ukrainian (Ukraine) 5.67
15 Austrian (Austria) 5.73
16 Ukrainians_west (WestUkraine) 5.88
17 Dutch (Netherlands) 6.01
18 Sorb (Lusatia) 6.04
19 Pole (WestPoland) 6.06
20 German (Germany) 6.14

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

1 67.7% Pole (EastPoland) + 32.3% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) @ 1.63
2 67.1% Pole (EastPoland) + 32.9% Macedonian (Macedonia) @ 1.87
3 90.9% Pole (EastPoland) + 9.1% Turk (Trabzon) @ 1.9
4 78.6% Pole (EastPoland) + 21.4% Greek (Thessaloniki) @ 1.9
5 78.6% Pole (EastPoland) + 21.4% Albanian (Albania) @ 1.91
6 81.1% Pole (EastPoland) + 18.9% Greek (Macedonia) @ 1.95
7 51.2% Belarusian (Belarus) + 48.8% Macedonian (Macedonia) @ 1.97
8 58.1% Pole (EastPoland) + 41.9% Serbian (Serbia) @ 2
9 58.6% Serbian (Serbia) + 41.4% Belarusian (Belarus) @ 2.01
10 54.4% Serbian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) + 45.6% Pole (EastPoland) @ 2.05
11 66.7% Pole (Wroclaw) + 33.3% Macedonian (Macedonia) @ 2.06
12 66.1% Belarusian (Belarus) + 33.9% Italian (Tuscany) @ 2.07
13 73.7% Croat (Croatia) + 26.3% Pole (EastPoland) @ 2.08
14 84.8% Croat (Croatia) + 15.2% Belarusian (Belarus) @ 2.08
15 84.2% Croat (Croatia) + 15.8% Pole (Poland) @ 2.1
16 79.3% Pole (EastPoland) + 20.7% Greek (Greece) @ 2.11
17 76.2% Pole (EastPoland) + 23.8% Kosovar (Kosovo) @ 2.11
18 54.3% Montenegrian (Montenegro) + 45.7% Belarusian (Belarus) @ 2.12
19 75% Croat (Croatia) + 25% Pole (Wroclaw) @ 2.13
20 89.1% Pole (EastPoland) + 10.9% Cypriot (Cyprus) @ 2.14

[Leto]

This is gedmatch of coastal (Čakavian) Dalmatian Croat whose full ancestry is native to Kaštela up to before Ottoman migrations. So he has no any ancestry from BiH or Štokavian speakers.

Admix Results (sorted):

1 Baltic 34.39
2 North_Atlantic 26.92
3 West_Med 14.89
4 East_Med 12.56
5 West_Asian 5.67
6 Siberian 1.91
7 South_Asian 1.28
8 Red_Sea 1.22
9 Oceanian 0.51
10 Amerindian 0.47
11 Sub-Saharan 0.11
12 East_Asian 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

1 Croatian 4.06
2 Moldavian 4.68
3 Hungarian 6.31
4 Serbian 7.81
5 Ukrainian_Lviv 9.58
6 South_Polish 10.01
7 Ukrainian 10.49
8 Austrian 10.74
9 East_German 10.81
10 Romanian 11.55
11 Polish 13.5
12 Bulgarian 13.63
13 Southwest_Russian 14.01
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 14.73
15 Russian_Smolensk 15.64
16 Estonian_Polish 15.85
17 Belorussian 16.42
18 Kargopol_Russian 17.85
19 West_German 18.05
20 Southwest_Finnish 18.17

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

1 61.9% Estonian_Polish + 38.1% Tuscan @ 1.73
2 62.8% Southwest_Russian + 37.2% North_Italian @ 1.99
3 52.3% Estonian + 47.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.05
4 71.3% Ukrainian + 28.7% Tuscan @ 2.17
5 64.8% Southwest_Russian + 35.2% Tuscan @ 2.19
6 54.9% Lithuanian + 45.1% Tuscan @ 2.2
7 74.1% Ukrainian + 25.9% West_Sicilian @ 2.21
8 61.1% Belorussian + 38.9% Tuscan @ 2.43
9 65.2% Estonian_Polish + 34.8% West_Sicilian @ 2.45
10 79.7% South_Polish + 20.3% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.53
11 59.5% Estonian + 40.5% West_Sicilian @ 2.53
12 62.3% Russian_Smolensk + 37.7% Tuscan @ 2.54
13 78.9% Ukrainian + 21.1% Italian_Jewish @ 2.56
14 68% Serbian + 32% Estonian_Polish @ 2.59
15 62.6% Estonian + 37.4% South_Italian @ 2.64
16 58% Serbian + 42% Ukrainian @ 2.68
17 69.4% South_Polish + 30.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.7
18 59.9% Bulgarian + 40.1% Estonian @ 2.74
19 79.8% South_Polish + 20.2% Italian_Jewish @ 2.74
20 58.4% Lithuanian + 41.6% West_Sicilian @ 2.77
Looks like a Russian/Ukrainian with an Ashkenazi grandparent.

(K15)
75.7% Ukrainian + 24.3% Ashkenazi @ 2.61

[Jana]

Looks like a Russian/Ukrainian with an Ashkenazi grandparent.

(K15)
75.7% Ukrainian + 24.3% Ashkenazi @ 2.61

Interesting yeah, he is full Croat from southern coastal city. His haplogroup is J2b1.

[Pribislav]

Even Pribislav admited admixture of Serbs and Croats in Dalmatia, because it's well known.

In some parts of Dalmatia mixing was relatively common, and in some it was very rare.

Relatively common: Vrlika Krajina, Cetina Krajina, Drniš Krajina

Very rare: Knin Krajina, Bukovica

For Ravni Kotari and Imotska Krajina I'm not sure, probably less than Vrlika/Cetina/Drniš and more than Knin/Bukovica.

The fact is that there was no any mixing between Serbs and Croatians in Dalmatia, but between Orthodox Serbs and Catholic Serbs (aka Bunjevci). Croatians lived in Kvarner far away from Serbs.

[Jana]

In some parts of Dalmatia mixing was relatively common, and in some it was very rare.

Relatively common: Vrlika Krajina, Cetina Krajina, Drniš Krajina

Very rare: Knin Krajina, Bukovica

For Ravni Kotari and Imotska Krajina I'm not sure, probably less than Vrlika/Cetina/Drniš and more than Knin/Bukovica.

The fact is that there was no any mixing between Serbs and Croatians in Dalmatia, but between Orthodox Serbs and Catholic Serbs (aka Bunjevci). Croatians lived in Kvarner far away from Serbs.

:1127:

Pribi, are you aware your ancestors are religious converts? Prodali veru za večeru :cool:
East Herzegovina and Zeta were Catholic.

[Jana]

Vukan Nemanjic, who led Zeta to the prince of Udion, was a Catholic and inherited the titles of Catholic Vojisavljevic. His sons were Orthodox, but in their time Orthodoxy did not spread to Zeta. For this reason, she was later assigned to the administration of Catholic Jelena Anzujska (1276-1309). After that, Zeta was given the "young kings" (Crown Heirs) of the Nemanjic, who were all Orthodox, but even then Orthodoxy was not accepted in Zeta. Balšići (with the exception of the last) are Catholics and admit the Pope. Stronger orthodoxy begins in the time of Crnojevic, who saved the Zeta Metropolis from ruin and transferred its seat from Boka to Vranjina, then to Cetinje. Orthodox conversios continued during the Ottoman period.

Serbian historian Vladimir Corovic writes in "History of the Serbian People" ->


"Contemporary reports provide a great deal of detail about how the Catholic population in the seventeenth century declined substantially in the interior of Turkey, much less in favor of Islam as much as in favor of Orthodoxy. Sima Milutinovic stated in his History of Montenegro that Bishop Ruvim of Cetinje translated into orthodoxy Kuce, Drekalovic and Bratonozic. Ruvim was a contemporary of Paysi and sat in the bishop's chair for a long time. Its activity is also confirmed by Roman accounts. There were 1633 Bjelopavlići people. 200 more Catholic houses, and in 1635. among Zeta and Moraca the number of Catholic souls did not exceed well over a thousand. Pipers, dating back to 1610. considered by almost everyone as a Catholic, they became, for the most part, Orthodox. In Popovo until 1627. out of 12 Catholic churches, 7 went into Orthodox hands; there were similar occurrences around Trebinje. There is also news of the conversion of Catholics to Orthodoxy in Srem, around Ruma and Mitrovica. The main reason for this was that the Catholic higher clergy, for the most part, were not allowed to live under the Turks, but remained largely in neighboring Christian countries. ”

[Pribislav]

:1127:

Pribi, are you aware your ancestors are religious converts? Prodali veru za večeru :cool:
East Herzegovina and Zeta were Catholic.

Daily dose of Feiichy's trolling Serbs. :picard1:

Stop choking this thread!
Open some thread on Troll Carnival, if it's not enough for you to trolling Serbs and you have nothing smarter to write...

[Jana]

Daily dose of Feiichy's trolling Serbs. :picard1:

Stop choking this thread!
Open some thread on Troll Carnival, if it's not enough for you to trolling Serbs and you have nothing smarter to write...

No, it's not trolling but historical facts. Unlike Serbs, we don't claim all Catholic Slavic population was Croatian, but Catholic it was without any doubt.


There was never Catholic converting in Montenegro, but any activity of the Catholic Church was merely an attempt to return the population to the Catholic faith.


Now let's go back to the beginning. What is the logic behind the myth of the Catholicization of Serbs (and Montenegrins) west of the Drina-Tara-Komovi line? The logic is to deny the conversion of the ancestors -> "Our ancestors did not convert to Orthodoxy, but they always were, and the evil pope made them Catholic." These are fairy tales. Your ancestors are religious converts.

[Maintenance]

muslim, protestant , catholic convert projecting

[Pribislav]

Serbian historian Vladimir Corovic writes in "History of the Serbian People" ->

Who cares even if Serbs were predominantly Catholics before 13th century as Vojislav Šešelj claim?

We dislike antichrist Pope, and our union with him will never happen. :eusa_naughty:

[vbnetkhio]

Ofcourse there is, troll, you must be mentally sick to deny that. Admixture is measured IBD sharing and not gedmach. Personally you look 0% Croatian (and genetically) to me but your lone example is meaningless.
Mixing was especially common in Dalmatia and lot of Croats converted to orthodoxy (as well as in western Bosnia). That's why western Serbs have quite a lot typical Croatian surnames that don't exist in Serbia or Montenegro at all.

Even Pribislav admited admixture of Serbs and Croats in Dalmatia, because it's well known. Even Voyt ancestors were Croats who converted to orthodoxy and today they are ''Serbs''. LMAO.

Southern Croats don't score North Italian like admixture in majority, because Bronze Age Dalmatians were pulled SE by Roman admix most likely. I score it because I am part German, my father has some Germanic like input too. North Italian is south Italian + German. Tuscan like admix is far more realistic and that's what majority get.

This is gedmatch of coastal (Čakavian) Dalmatian Croat whose full ancestry is native to Kaštela up to before Ottoman migrations. So he has no any ancestry from BiH or Štokavian speakers.

Admix Results (sorted):

1 Baltic 34.39
2 North_Atlantic 26.92
3 West_Med 14.89
4 East_Med 12.56
5 West_Asian 5.67
6 Siberian 1.91
7 South_Asian 1.28
8 Red_Sea 1.22
9 Oceanian 0.51
10 Amerindian 0.47
11 Sub-Saharan 0.11
12 East_Asian 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

1 Croatian 4.06
2 Moldavian 4.68
3 Hungarian 6.31
4 Serbian 7.81
5 Ukrainian_Lviv 9.58
6 South_Polish 10.01
7 Ukrainian 10.49
8 Austrian 10.74
9 East_German 10.81
10 Romanian 11.55
11 Polish 13.5
12 Bulgarian 13.63
13 Southwest_Russian 14.01
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 14.73
15 Russian_Smolensk 15.64
16 Estonian_Polish 15.85
17 Belorussian 16.42
18 Kargopol_Russian 17.85
19 West_German 18.05
20 Southwest_Finnish 18.17

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

1 61.9% Estonian_Polish + 38.1% Tuscan @ 1.73
2 62.8% Southwest_Russian + 37.2% North_Italian @ 1.99
3 52.3% Estonian + 47.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.05
4 71.3% Ukrainian + 28.7% Tuscan @ 2.17
5 64.8% Southwest_Russian + 35.2% Tuscan @ 2.19
6 54.9% Lithuanian + 45.1% Tuscan @ 2.2
7 74.1% Ukrainian + 25.9% West_Sicilian @ 2.21
8 61.1% Belorussian + 38.9% Tuscan @ 2.43
9 65.2% Estonian_Polish + 34.8% West_Sicilian @ 2.45
10 79.7% South_Polish + 20.3% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.53
11 59.5% Estonian + 40.5% West_Sicilian @ 2.53
12 62.3% Russian_Smolensk + 37.7% Tuscan @ 2.54
13 78.9% Ukrainian + 21.1% Italian_Jewish @ 2.56
14 68% Serbian + 32% Estonian_Polish @ 2.59
15 62.6% Estonian + 37.4% South_Italian @ 2.64
16 58% Serbian + 42% Ukrainian @ 2.68
17 69.4% South_Polish + 30.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.7
18 59.9% Bulgarian + 40.1% Estonian @ 2.74
19 79.8% South_Polish + 20.2% Italian_Jewish @ 2.74
20 58.4% Lithuanian + 41.6% West_Sicilian @ 2.77

well yeah, Krajina Serbs mixed with South Croats (Bunjevci), who also arrived to Krajina as newcomers, at the same time as the Serbs. they didn't mix much with the actual native Croats of that region, north Chakavians and Kajkavians, who have a lot of r1b, and autosomally a lot of North Atlantic and West Med. example of a Serb who could be modelled with such influence is Hungry Lion. but such results are rare.

[Leto]

So what if there were some religious changes centuries ago? Does that mean modern people aren't Serbian? Lol. Some Eastern Slavs (aka Russians) were also forced into Uniatism by the Polish elite. There were various other sects and schismatic groups. I myself have Catholic and sectarian ancestors. All of that has little to nothing to do with genetics.

[Pribislav]

well yeah, Krajina Serbs mixed with South Croats (Bunjevci), who also arrived to Krajina as newcomers, at the same time as the Serbs. they didn't mix much with the actual native Croats of that region, north Chakavians and Kajkavians, who have a lot of r1b, and autosomally a lot of North Atlantic and West Med. example of a Serb who could be modelled with such influence is Hungry Lion. but such results are rare.

Bunjevci are croatized in second half 19th and first half of 20th century. When they together with Orthodox Serbs settled in Krajina and Dalmatia they were not Croatians.

Milutin Dedić (brother of Arsen Dedić) about origin of Krka Bunjevci 28:29-30:20 https://youtu.be/oo1U2I3Vs5c?t=1709

Some Serbian Orthodox families carry clade of I2-PH908 which is marked as "Bunjevac" cluster, such as Došen from Lika, Polić from Bosanska Krajina, Ivančević from Kordun, Odobašić from Slavonski Brod etc. Their lines originated from western Herzegovina, once western Herzegovina was Serbian land.

[Jana]

well yeah, Krajina Serbs mixed with South Croats (Bunjevci), who also arrived to Krajina as newcomers, at the same time as the Serbs. they didn't mix much with the actual native Croats of that region, north Chakavians and Kajkavians, who have a lot of r1b, and autosomally a lot of North Atlantic and West Med. example of a Serb who could be modelled with such influence is Hungry Lion. but such results are rare.

As you can see southern Čakavians seem to lack western influence. But we need more samples. I agree with you.

[Jana]

So what if there were some religious changes centuries ago? Does that mean modern people aren't Serbian? Lol. Some Eastern Slavs (aka Russians) were also forced into Uniatism by the Polish elite. There were various other sects and schismatic groups. I myself have Catholic and sectarian ancestors. All of that has little to nothing to do with genetics.

Because Serbs claim majority of Croats are ex orthodox Christians forced into Catholicism. Reality is exactly opposite. Western Serbs are ex-Catholics converted into orthodoxy.

[Jana]

Bunjevci are croatized in second half 19th and first half of 20th century. When they together with Orthodox Serbs settled in Krajina and Dalmatia they were not Croatians.

Milutin Dedić (brother of Arsen Dedić) about origin of Krka Bunjevci 28:29-30:20 https://youtu.be/oo1U2I3Vs5c?t=1709

Some Serbian Orthodox families carry clade of I2-PH908 which is marked as "Bunjevac" cluster, such as Došen from Lika, Polić from Bosanska Krajina, Ivančević from Kordun, Odobašić from Slavonski Brod etc. Their lines originated from western Herzegovina, once western Herzegovina was Serbian land.

Neither were Krajina Serbs Serbs in that time nor did they have any Serb identity. They became Serbs in 19th century during national awakenings because they were orthodox.
Western Herzegovina was always settled with Croats, and part of old Croatian medieval county Imota.

When you find some acheological traces of Serbs and their culture there, let us know. You may win awards. xD

[Leto]

Because Serbs claim majority of Croats are ex orthodox Christians forced into Catholicism. Reality is exactly opposite. Western Serbs are ex-Catholics converted into orthodoxy.
Well, Orthodoxy, the Eastern rite is older than Western and early Slavic Christianity was more Eastern. Even in the Czech lands where it was preached by Sts. Cyril and Methodius. The Latins took them over only later.
Church Slavonic is part of all South Slavs' heritage.

[Jana]

Well, Orthodoxy, the Eastern rite is older than Western and early Slavic Christianity was more Eastern. Even in the Czech lands where it was preached by Sts. Cyril and Methodius. The Latins took them over only later.

In Bosnia and Montenegro Orthodox churches are way younger than Catholic (only exception being far east or Bosnia and north of Montenegro)

[vbnetkhio]

As you can see southern Čakavians seem to lack western influence. But we need more samples.

yes. they are around the Serb average by k13 results. there are the academics from Split, a couple from Zadar were posted before, there is quite a bit of them on gedmatch too.

[Pribislav]

Neither were Krajina Serbs Serbs in that time nor did they have any Serb identity. They became Serbs in 19th century during national awakenings because they were orthodox.
Western Herzegovina was always settled with Croats, and part of old Croatian medieval county Imota.

When you find some acheological traces of Serbs and their culture there, let us know. You may win awards. xD

Read about Serbian Orthodox monastery Labostin near Duvno from 13th century https://patriot.co.rs/tragom-srpskog-manastira-labostin-kod-duvna-iz-13-veka/?lang=lat

Do you know which is one of the oldest grave in Duvno area? It's Orthodox grave of Marta mother of Vuilo Bilanović from 16th century on Orthodox cemetery in Mandino Selo near Duvno.
https://forum.krstarica.com/attachments/securedownload-krst22s-jpg.577128/

Bilanovići (R1a) lived in Mandino Selo until 1992, when Croatians expelled them. Today live in Banja Luka, around Belgrade and in diaspora.

Croatians committed genocide on Duvno Serbs 1941-45, and those who survived were expelled in 1992.

[Jana]

Duvno is heart of medieval Croatia, stop searching original Serbs there. I don't search original Croats in Raška.

[Jana]

yes. they are around the Serb average by k13 results. there are the academics from Split, a couple from Zadar were posted before, there is quite a bit of them on gedmatch too.

Be careful with Split samples or from any bigger coastal city. Most of people there are not indigenious Čakavian Croats but Vlaji from hinterland.
Zadar is mixed with Italian and Arbanas (Albanian) element as well.

Southern Čakavians are best preserved in islands and smaller coastal towns and they seem very Slavic like that man from Kaštela.
I don't have gedmatch of my 23andme fully Islander matches and they score much higher eastern European than štokavian southern Croats.

No way they will be like Serbs, but significantly more Slavic unless Italian/Venetian input.

They are also visibly lighter than Štokavians. That population is certanly closest to medieval Croats and they should have highest amount of White Croat genetics.

[Pribislav]

Duvno is heart of medieval Croatia, stop searching original Serbs there. I don't search original Croats in Raška.

I posted photo of grave from 16th century and link for Orthodox monastery from 13th century, are you blind?

Stone doesn't lying!

[Jana]

I posted photo of grave from 16th century and link for Orthodox monastery from 13th century, are you blind?

Stone doesn't lying!

16th century is already Turkish era. Post english text about that 13th century monestary. Manastir Krka inscription is known forgery for example.

[Pribislav]

Duvno is heart of medieval Croatia, stop searching original Serbs there. I don't search original Croats in Raška.

You people claim Raška, Montenegro, Šumadija, and Slovenia to be originally Croatian lands. :lol: :picard1:
https://forum.krstarica.com/attachments/grl2-png.666268/

[vbnetkhio]

Be careful with Split samples or from any bigger coastal city. Most of people there are not indigenious Čakavian Croats but Vlaji from hinterland.
Zadar is mixed with Italian and Arbanas (Albanian) element as well.

Southern Čakavians are best preserved in islands and smaller coastal towns and they seem very Slavic like that man from Kaštela.
I don't have gedmatch of my 23andme fully Islander matches and they score much higher eastern European than štokavians.

No way they will be like Serbs, but significantly more Slavic unless Italian/Venetian input.

They are also visibly lighter than Štokavians.

all i've seen are less Slavic than the Max Soldo cluster. i think they have significant Dalmatian(Dlmatian language speakers) admixture. it could be some pre-Slavic local blondism.

[Pribislav]

all i've seen are less Slavic than the Max Soldo cluster. i think they have significant Dalmatian(Dlmatian language speakers) admixture. it could be some pre-Slavic local blondism.

Max Soldo obviuos has recent foreign admixture . I have seen few other Croatian results from Livno and they are 28-29% Baltic.

[Jana]

You people claim Raška, Montenegro, Šumadija, and Slovenia to be originally Croatian lands. :lol: :picard1:

Don't bother me with alternate history rubbish. This branch of ''science'' is far more popular in Serbia.

[Jana]

all i've seen are less Slavic than the Max Soldo cluster. i think they have significant Dalmatian(Dlmatian language speakers) admixture. it could be some pre-Slavic local blondism.

What proven southern Čakavians you have seen? Only one I know is this one from Kaštela. But they must have strong Dalmatian Romance substrate, it's obvious in their dialect also.
Štokavians look significantly more Vlach/less Slavic on average, just saying. Not only color but facial features.

[Jana]

Max Soldo obviuos has recent foreign admixture . I have seen few other Croatian results from Livno and they are 28-29% Baltic.

Ofcourse he doesn't as he is fully Croat with known geneaology, but he has some Dalmatian Croat ancestry from Poljica Republic if I remember correctly.

[Pribislav]

Ofcourse he doesn't as he is fully Croat with known geneaology, but he has some Dalmatian Croat ancestry from Poljica Republic if I remember correctly.

This guy is also Livno Croatian 96356

^^
Similar as one other Livno Croatian posted by someone on this forum.


These are Dalmatian or Herzegovinian Croatians:
- Šarić 96357
- Starčević 96358

[vbnetkhio]

What proven southern Čakavians you have seen? Only one I know is this one from Kaštela. But they must have strong Dalmatian Romance substrate, it's obvious in their dialect also.
Štokavians look significantly more Vlach/less Slavic on average, just saying. Not only color but facial features.

2wy oracle isn't working so i'll post 4-way.

these 2 are from Komiža, their genealogy is online.


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 31.18
2 North_Atlantic 25.61
3 West_Med 14.90
4 West_Asian 12.92
5 East_Med 11.53
6 Red_Sea 1.50


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Moldavian @ 4.470045
2 Serbian @ 6.991731
3 Croatian @ 7.544109
4 Hungarian @ 9.161648
5 Romanian @ 9.843548
6 Bulgarian @ 12.236260
7 Austrian @ 13.443974
8 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 14.143229
9 East_German @ 14.599335
10 South_Polish @ 15.136996
11 Ukrainian @ 15.828387
12 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 19.095716
13 Polish @ 19.133120
14 Southwest_Russian @ 19.248276
15 West_German @ 20.758039
16 Tatar @ 20.933420
17 Russian_Smolensk @ 21.327600
18 Greek_Thessaly @ 22.275949
19 Estonian_Polish @ 22.293104
20 South_Dutch @ 22.526752

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Moldavian +50% Serbian @ 3.901212


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Estonian_Polish +25% Kumyk +25% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.050984


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Armenian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Southwest_French @ 1.969941
2 Armenian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.390536
3 Armenian + Lithuanian + Russian_Smolensk + Southwest_French @ 2.730150
4 Armenian + Belorussian + Lithuanian + Southwest_French @ 2.730657
5 Armenian + Estonian_Polish + Lithuanian + Southwest_French @ 2.748285
6 Georgian_Jewish + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Southwest_French @ 2.759953
7 Armenian + Estonian + Lithuanian + Southwest_French @ 2.766493
8 Armenian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.832171
9 Armenian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.869702
10 Armenian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Spanish_Aragon @ 2.979829
11 Lithuanian + Southwest_French + Turkish + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.039088
12 Armenian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.046434
13 Estonian_Polish + Estonian_Polish + Kumyk + Spanish_Valencia @ 3.050984
14 Armenian + Lithuanian + Southwest_French + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.055322
15 Armenian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Spanish_Valencia @ 3.067375
16 Estonian + Georgian_Jewish + Lithuanian + Southwest_French @ 3.072722
17 Georgian_Jewish + Lithuanian + Russian_Smolensk + Southwest_French @ 3.088090
18 Armenian + Estonian + Lithuanian + Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.092824
19 Armenian + Lithuanian + Southwest_French + Southwest_Russian @ 3.096580
20 Georgian_Jewish + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.103257


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 32.13
2 North_Atlantic 25.83
3 East_Med 14.86
4 West_Med 13.92
5 West_Asian 9.14
6 Red_Sea 2.20
7 Amerindian 1.02


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Moldavian @ 5.304939
2 Serbian @ 5.525979
3 Croatian @ 7.112947
4 Hungarian @ 8.420576
5 Romanian @ 9.262959
6 Bulgarian @ 11.552200
7 Austrian @ 13.593200
8 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 14.108592
9 South_Polish @ 14.717138
10 East_German @ 14.743503
11 Ukrainian @ 15.446853
12 Southwest_Russian @ 18.590298
13 Polish @ 18.749239
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 18.940451
15 Russian_Smolensk @ 20.854279
16 West_German @ 21.041792
17 Estonian_Polish @ 21.406027
18 Greek_Thessaly @ 21.514477
19 Belorussian @ 21.894377
20 Tatar @ 22.223007

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Italian_Abruzzo +50% Lithuanian @ 1.539960


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +25% Hungarian +25% Southwest_Russian @ 1.503987


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Belorussian + Bulgarian + Italian_Abruzzo + Polish @ 1.158023
2 Bulgarian + Estonian_Polish + Italian_Abruzzo + Polish @ 1.336486
3 Belorussian + Central_Greek + Romanian + South_Polish @ 1.392316
4 Belorussian + Central_Greek + Polish + Romanian @ 1.411079
5 Bulgarian + Italian_Abruzzo + Lithuanian + South_Polish @ 1.422413
6 Belorussian + Bulgarian + Romanian + Serbian @ 1.444278
7 Belorussian + Central_Greek + Serbian + South_Polish @ 1.488720
8 Belorussian + Bulgarian + Italian_Abruzzo + Russian_Smolensk @ 1.490492
9 Belorussian + Bulgarian + Italian_Abruzzo + Ukrainian @ 1.500970
10 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Hungarian + Southwest_Russian @ 1.503987
11 Belorussian + Italian_Abruzzo + Romanian + Southwest_Russian @ 1.505844
12 Bulgarian + Greek_Thessaly + Hungarian + Lithuanian @ 1.505848
13 Bulgarian + Serbian + Serbian + Southwest_Russian @ 1.508326
14 Belorussian + Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Hungarian @ 1.516765
15 Belorussian + Bulgarian + Italian_Abruzzo + Southwest_Russian @ 1.523410
16 Belorussian + Bulgarian + Estonian_Polish + Italian_Abruzzo @ 1.529142
17 Belorussian + Italian_Abruzzo + Romanian + Ukrainian @ 1.536734
18 Italian_Abruzzo + Italian_Abruzzo + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 1.539960
19 Bulgarian + Central_Greek + Estonian + South_Polish @ 1.546894
20 Belorussian + Belorussian + Bulgarian + Italian_Abruzzo @ 1.549054

her surname appears only in Brac and Split (Cekalovic)



Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 31.97
2 North_Atlantic 27.72
3 East_Med 14.44
4 West_Med 14.37
5 West_Asian 8.36


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Serbian @ 5.526596
2 Moldavian @ 5.961098
3 Croatian @ 6.662043
4 Hungarian @ 6.742182
5 Romanian @ 9.963482
6 Austrian @ 11.696405
7 Bulgarian @ 12.536322
8 East_German @ 12.849939
9 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 13.894997
10 South_Polish @ 13.949632
11 Ukrainian @ 15.024033
12 Polish @ 18.190769
13 Southwest_Russian @ 18.667328
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 19.058491
15 West_German @ 19.176407
16 Russian_Smolensk @ 20.669033
17 South_Dutch @ 20.989019
18 Estonian_Polish @ 21.189617
19 Belorussian @ 21.585911
20 French @ 22.177008

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Croatian +50% Serbian @ 2.659262


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +25% Hungarian +25% Polish @ 2.176602


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Austrian + Belorussian + Bulgarian + Bulgarian @ 1.777297
2 Austrian + Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Estonian_Polish @ 2.010614
3 Belorussian + Bulgarian + Bulgarian + East_German @ 2.089073
4 Bulgarian + Hungarian + Serbian + South_Polish @ 2.104203
5 Belorussian + Bulgarian + South_Polish + Tuscan @ 2.115069
6 Belorussian + Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Hungarian @ 2.115509
7 Bulgarian + Hungarian + Serbian + Ukrainian @ 2.127868
8 Belorussian + Bulgarian + Hungarian + Romanian @ 2.136819
9 Belorussian + Romanian + Serbian + Serbian @ 2.170874
10 Greek_Thessaly + Serbian + South_Polish + South_Polish @ 2.175227
11 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Hungarian + Polish @ 2.176602
12 Bulgarian + Hungarian + Polish + Romanian @ 2.185073
13 Belorussian + Bulgarian + Serbian + Serbian @ 2.218720
14 Belorussian + Greek_Thessaly + Hungarian + Serbian @ 2.227827
15 Serbian + South_Polish + Tuscan + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.238050
16 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + East_German + Southwest_Russian @ 2.248845
17 Austrian + Belorussian + Bulgarian + Romanian @ 2.248897
18 Austrian + Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Russian_Smolensk @ 2.254875
19 Austrian + Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Southwest_Russian @ 2.267302
20 Austrian + Bulgarian + Romanian + Southwest_Russian @ 2.270847

[Jana]

This guy is also Livno Croatian 96356

^^
Similar as one other Livno Croatian posted by someone on this forum.


These are Dalmatian or Herzegovinian Croatians:
- Šarić 96357
- Starčević 96358

Yes, I know according to you Serbs are 35% Baltic and Croats are 28% Baltic xD

[Jana]

2wy oracle isn't working so i'll post 4-way.

these 2 are from Komiža, their genealogy is online.


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 31.18
2 North_Atlantic 25.61
3 West_Med 14.90
4 West_Asian 12.92
5 East_Med 11.53
6 Red_Sea 1.50


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Moldavian @ 4.470045
2 Serbian @ 6.991731
3 Croatian @ 7.544109
4 Hungarian @ 9.161648
5 Romanian @ 9.843548
6 Bulgarian @ 12.236260
7 Austrian @ 13.443974
8 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 14.143229
9 East_German @ 14.599335
10 South_Polish @ 15.136996
11 Ukrainian @ 15.828387
12 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 19.095716
13 Polish @ 19.133120
14 Southwest_Russian @ 19.248276
15 West_German @ 20.758039
16 Tatar @ 20.933420
17 Russian_Smolensk @ 21.327600
18 Greek_Thessaly @ 22.275949
19 Estonian_Polish @ 22.293104
20 South_Dutch @ 22.526752

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Moldavian +50% Serbian @ 3.901212


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Estonian_Polish +25% Kumyk +25% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.050984


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Armenian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Southwest_French @ 1.969941
2 Armenian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.390536
3 Armenian + Lithuanian + Russian_Smolensk + Southwest_French @ 2.730150
4 Armenian + Belorussian + Lithuanian + Southwest_French @ 2.730657
5 Armenian + Estonian_Polish + Lithuanian + Southwest_French @ 2.748285
6 Georgian_Jewish + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Southwest_French @ 2.759953
7 Armenian + Estonian + Lithuanian + Southwest_French @ 2.766493
8 Armenian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.832171
9 Armenian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.869702
10 Armenian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Spanish_Aragon @ 2.979829
11 Lithuanian + Southwest_French + Turkish + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.039088
12 Armenian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.046434
13 Estonian_Polish + Estonian_Polish + Kumyk + Spanish_Valencia @ 3.050984
14 Armenian + Lithuanian + Southwest_French + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.055322
15 Armenian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Spanish_Valencia @ 3.067375
16 Estonian + Georgian_Jewish + Lithuanian + Southwest_French @ 3.072722
17 Georgian_Jewish + Lithuanian + Russian_Smolensk + Southwest_French @ 3.088090
18 Armenian + Estonian + Lithuanian + Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.092824
19 Armenian + Lithuanian + Southwest_French + Southwest_Russian @ 3.096580
20 Georgian_Jewish + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.103257


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 32.13
2 North_Atlantic 25.83
3 East_Med 14.86
4 West_Med 13.92
5 West_Asian 9.14
6 Red_Sea 2.20
7 Amerindian 1.02


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Moldavian @ 5.304939
2 Serbian @ 5.525979
3 Croatian @ 7.112947
4 Hungarian @ 8.420576
5 Romanian @ 9.262959
6 Bulgarian @ 11.552200
7 Austrian @ 13.593200
8 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 14.108592
9 South_Polish @ 14.717138
10 East_German @ 14.743503
11 Ukrainian @ 15.446853
12 Southwest_Russian @ 18.590298
13 Polish @ 18.749239
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 18.940451
15 Russian_Smolensk @ 20.854279
16 West_German @ 21.041792
17 Estonian_Polish @ 21.406027
18 Greek_Thessaly @ 21.514477
19 Belorussian @ 21.894377
20 Tatar @ 22.223007

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Italian_Abruzzo +50% Lithuanian @ 1.539960


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +25% Hungarian +25% Southwest_Russian @ 1.503987


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Belorussian + Bulgarian + Italian_Abruzzo + Polish @ 1.158023
2 Bulgarian + Estonian_Polish + Italian_Abruzzo + Polish @ 1.336486
3 Belorussian + Central_Greek + Romanian + South_Polish @ 1.392316
4 Belorussian + Central_Greek + Polish + Romanian @ 1.411079
5 Bulgarian + Italian_Abruzzo + Lithuanian + South_Polish @ 1.422413
6 Belorussian + Bulgarian + Romanian + Serbian @ 1.444278
7 Belorussian + Central_Greek + Serbian + South_Polish @ 1.488720
8 Belorussian + Bulgarian + Italian_Abruzzo + Russian_Smolensk @ 1.490492
9 Belorussian + Bulgarian + Italian_Abruzzo + Ukrainian @ 1.500970
10 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Hungarian + Southwest_Russian @ 1.503987
11 Belorussian + Italian_Abruzzo + Romanian + Southwest_Russian @ 1.505844
12 Bulgarian + Greek_Thessaly + Hungarian + Lithuanian @ 1.505848
13 Bulgarian + Serbian + Serbian + Southwest_Russian @ 1.508326
14 Belorussian + Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Hungarian @ 1.516765
15 Belorussian + Bulgarian + Italian_Abruzzo + Southwest_Russian @ 1.523410
16 Belorussian + Bulgarian + Estonian_Polish + Italian_Abruzzo @ 1.529142
17 Belorussian + Italian_Abruzzo + Romanian + Ukrainian @ 1.536734
18 Italian_Abruzzo + Italian_Abruzzo + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 1.539960
19 Bulgarian + Central_Greek + Estonian + South_Polish @ 1.546894
20 Belorussian + Belorussian + Bulgarian + Italian_Abruzzo @ 1.549054

her surname appears only in Brac and Split (Cekalovic)



Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 31.97
2 North_Atlantic 27.72
3 East_Med 14.44
4 West_Med 14.37
5 West_Asian 8.36


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Serbian @ 5.526596
2 Moldavian @ 5.961098
3 Croatian @ 6.662043
4 Hungarian @ 6.742182
5 Romanian @ 9.963482
6 Austrian @ 11.696405
7 Bulgarian @ 12.536322
8 East_German @ 12.849939
9 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 13.894997
10 South_Polish @ 13.949632
11 Ukrainian @ 15.024033
12 Polish @ 18.190769
13 Southwest_Russian @ 18.667328
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 19.058491
15 West_German @ 19.176407
16 Russian_Smolensk @ 20.669033
17 South_Dutch @ 20.989019
18 Estonian_Polish @ 21.189617
19 Belorussian @ 21.585911
20 French @ 22.177008

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Croatian +50% Serbian @ 2.659262


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +25% Hungarian +25% Polish @ 2.176602


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Austrian + Belorussian + Bulgarian + Bulgarian @ 1.777297
2 Austrian + Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Estonian_Polish @ 2.010614
3 Belorussian + Bulgarian + Bulgarian + East_German @ 2.089073
4 Bulgarian + Hungarian + Serbian + South_Polish @ 2.104203
5 Belorussian + Bulgarian + South_Polish + Tuscan @ 2.115069
6 Belorussian + Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Hungarian @ 2.115509
7 Bulgarian + Hungarian + Serbian + Ukrainian @ 2.127868
8 Belorussian + Bulgarian + Hungarian + Romanian @ 2.136819
9 Belorussian + Romanian + Serbian + Serbian @ 2.170874
10 Greek_Thessaly + Serbian + South_Polish + South_Polish @ 2.175227
11 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Hungarian + Polish @ 2.176602
12 Bulgarian + Hungarian + Polish + Romanian @ 2.185073
13 Belorussian + Bulgarian + Serbian + Serbian @ 2.218720
14 Belorussian + Greek_Thessaly + Hungarian + Serbian @ 2.227827
15 Serbian + South_Polish + Tuscan + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.238050
16 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + East_German + Southwest_Russian @ 2.248845
17 Austrian + Belorussian + Bulgarian + Romanian @ 2.248897
18 Austrian + Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Russian_Smolensk @ 2.254875
19 Austrian + Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Southwest_Russian @ 2.267302
20 Austrian + Bulgarian + Romanian + Southwest_Russian @ 2.270847


Thanks! I think my Čakavian side which is 50% of my ancestry would be similar to these results.

[Pribislav]

Yes, I know according to you Serbs are 35% Baltic and Croats are 28% Baltic xD

I never said that. I have seen only 5 Serbs with 35% or more Baltic, one of them is over 36%.

Max Soldo from Livno is 37% Baltic, but other few Livno Croatians are 28-29% Baltic. This indicates that there is something non-local in the recent Soldo's bloodline. How to explain such huge difference between people from same place of same ethnicity whose ancestors lived there many generations?

[Jana]

I never said that. I have seen only 5 Serbs with 35% or more Baltic, one of them is over 36%.

Max Soldo from Livno is 37% Baltic, but other few Livno Croatians are 28-29% Baltic. This indicates that there is something non-local in the recent Soldo's bloodline. How to explain such huge difference between people from same place of same ethnicity whose ancestors lived there many generations?

He is not fully native to Livno but has some Dalmatian ancestry far back. But I am not sure, some regions have diversity.
I saw west Herzegovina Croats ranging from very Slavic to very Balkan, probably same with Serbs in many regions.

[Ljubic]

This guy is also Livno Croatian 96356

^^
Similar as one other Livno Croatian posted by someone on this forum.


These are Dalmatian or Herzegovinian Croatians:
- Šarić 96357
- Starčević 96358

28%NA from some Hercegovian dude? Ive got a hunch that K13 doesnt necessarily split Baltic und North Atlantic that good.

[Pribislav]

28%NA from some Hercegovian dude? Ive got a hunch that K13 doesnt necessarily split Baltic und North Atlantic that good.

I don't know from where exactly they are. I only know surnames and they are Croatians, their surnames are Bunjevac.

I suppose Dalmatia or Herzegovina.

[vbnetkhio]

28%NA from some Hercegovian dude? Ive got a hunch that K13 doesnt necessarily split Baltic und North Atlantic that good.

is that too little or too much? many Serbs get 26-29 Baltic + 26-29 north Altantic. like Moje Ime.

[Pribislav]

He is not fully native to Livno but has some Dalmatian ancestry far back. But I am not sure, some regions have diversity.
I saw west Herzegovina Croats ranging from very Slavic to very Balkan, probably same with Serbs in many regions.

Possible, it's not clear yet how autosomal really works.


Two Dalmatian Serbs, both from Skradin area from neighboring villages:

Dalmatian Serb 1
1 Baltic 29.3
2 North_Atlantic 28.69
3 East_Med 16.26
4 West_Med 14.98
5 West_Asian 5.98
6 Red_Sea 2.86
7 Siberian 1.51
8 South_Asian 0.41

Dalmatian Serb 2
1 Baltic 35.28
2 North_Atlantic 22.18
3 West_Med 17.42
4 East_Med 16.16
5 West_Asian 5.31
6 Siberian 1.04
7 Amerindian 0.7
8 South_Asian 0.62
9 Oceanian 0.52
10 Northeast_African 0.3
11 East_Asian 0.27
12 Sub-Saharan 0.19

They have quite different ratio Baltic-North_Atlantic.
Similarity is almost same West_Asian and Mongoloid score, and also Baltic+NA is almost same (first one 57.99, and second 57.46)

[Ljubic]

is that too little or too much? many Serbs get 26-29 Baltic + 26-29 north Altantic. like Moje Ime.

Ive got the feeling that its a little bit too much considering that the guy has only 28 Baltic while other Bosnians have over 30% Baltic but a North Atlantic score in the lower 20s.

[Insuperable]

I never said that. I have seen only 5 Serbs with 35% or more Baltic, one of them is over 36%.

Max Soldo from Livno is 37% Baltic, but other few Livno Croatians are 28-29% Baltic. This indicates that there is something non-local in the recent Soldo's bloodline. How to explain such huge difference between people from same place of same ethnicity whose ancestors lived there many generations?

If Max Soldo is an exception to Serbian like people in western Bosnia/western Herzegovina as I think you imply that would be cool. I doubt anyone would have an issue. I don't. What is annoying is how the opposite is impossible with Serbs or at least some Serbs living in 'western' lands.

[vbnetkhio]

Possible, it's not clear yet how autosomal really works.


Two Dalmatian Serbs, both from Skradin area from neighboring villages:

Dalmatian Serb 1
1 Baltic 29.3
2 North_Atlantic 28.69
3 East_Med 16.26
4 West_Med 14.98
5 West_Asian 5.98
6 Red_Sea 2.86
7 Siberian 1.51
8 South_Asian 0.41

Dalmatian Serb 2
1 Baltic 35.28
2 North_Atlantic 22.18
3 West_Med 17.42
4 East_Med 16.16
5 West_Asian 5.31
6 Siberian 1.04
7 Amerindian 0.7
8 South_Asian 0.62
9 Oceanian 0.52
10 Northeast_African 0.3
11 East_Asian 0.27
12 Sub-Saharan 0.19

They have quite different ratio Baltic-North_Atlantic.
Similarity is almost same West_Asian and Mongoloid score, and also Baltic+NA is almost same (first one 57.99, and second 57.46)

it's simple, their pre-Slavic part is different. proto-Slavs had ~25% NA, so the first one had even more NA before Slavic admixture. and the second guy had NA in the 10s, and Slavic admixture gave him more NA.

check the ratios of these from different parts of Herzegovina:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?313828-Serbian-Autosomal-DNA&p=6566375&viewfull=1#post6566375

first 2 -closer to the coast- more Greek and late Roman settlers?
Piva - up in the mountains- more Illyrian(they had high NA)?

[CommonSense]

Here's a particularly rare and interesting example. The man in question is a certain Stanić from Ohio, USA ( Y-DNA: I2A, mtDNA: U5b1e1). Two of his grandparents were born in the US in the beginning of the 20th century and the other two a bit earlier in "Yugoslavia". Basically he's a pure 3-4th generation Serbian-American! Impressive how they stay true to their roots!

Kit T321586

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 32.81
2 North_Atlantic 23.31
3 West_Med 16.15
4 East_Med 14.97
5 West_Asian 9.28
6 Red_Sea 1.93
7 Oceanian 0.64
8 Amerindian 0.64
9 East_Asian 0.28

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 4.59
2 Serbian 6.03
3 Croatian 6.85
4 Romanian 8.18
5 Bulgarian 9.44
6 Hungarian 9.7
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 12.87
8 Austrian 13.84
9 South_Polish 13.94
10 Ukrainian 14.01
11 East_German 14.63
12 Southwest_Russian 16.91
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.16
14 Polish 17.2
15 Greek_Thessaly 18.21
16 Russian_Smolensk 18.89
17 Estonian_Polish 19.35
18 Belorussian 20.02
19 West_German 20.45
20 Kargopol_Russian 21.27

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.3% Bulgarian + 27.7% Lithuanian @ 1.53
2 67.5% Bulgarian + 32.5% Estonian_Polish @ 1.63
3 66.9% Bulgarian + 33.1% Russian_Smolensk @ 1.72
4 60% Bulgarian + 40% Ukrainian @ 1.88
5 68.3% Bulgarian + 31.7% Belorussian @ 1.94
6 64.4% Ukrainian + 35.6% Central_Greek @ 1.99
7 57.3% Greek_Thessaly + 42.7% Lithuanian @ 2.05
8 58% Bulgarian + 42% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.09
9 56.6% Ukrainian + 43.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.09
10 65% Bulgarian + 35% Polish @ 2.1
11 50.9% Greek_Thessaly + 49.1% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.15
12 64.6% Bulgarian + 35.4% Southwest_Russian @ 2.16
13 85.9% Croatian + 14.1% Cyprian @ 2.2
14 50.8% Lithuanian + 49.2% Central_Greek @ 2.24
15 65.6% Ukrainian + 34.4% East_Sicilian @ 2.29
16 68.1% Ukrainian + 31.9% South_Italian @ 2.31
17 51.5% Greek_Thessaly + 48.5% Estonian_Polish @ 2.37
18 87.8% Croatian + 12.2% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.37
19 56.6% Estonian_Polish + 43.4% Central_Greek @ 2.38
20 65% Bulgarian + 35% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.38

[CommonSense]

Here's another Serbian-American, Mrđenović (Y-DNA: R1a-M512; mtDNA: W1h). This is what he says about himself in his 'about me' box on FTDNA:
My four grandparents were Serbs living in Croatia who came to the USA in the first decade of the 1900s. I don't know anything about my great grandparents. Would like to know the ethnicity beyond being 100% Serbian American.

More precisely, he listed Vojnić (Kordun) and Dvor and Glina (Banija) as his places of origin. The high South Asian score is unusual, sadly FTDNA won't let me view his full results. he's the guy with highest South Asian value in vbnetkhio's opening post.

Kit T984751

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 27.08
2 North_Atlantic 26.26
3 East_Med 17.75
4 West_Med 15.89
5 West_Asian 8.37
6 South_Asian 2.91
7 Red_Sea 1.26
8 East_Asian 0.3
9 Siberian 0.17

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 3.45
2 Romanian 4.63
3 Bulgarian 6.82
4 Moldavian 9.06
5 Hungarian 10.03
6 Croatian 10.99
7 Austrian 12.98
8 Greek_Thessaly 14.4
9 East_German 14.61
10 North_Italian 17.08
11 West_German 17.34
12 Ukrainian_Lviv 17.46
13 South_Polish 17.68
14 Tuscan 18.12
15 French 18.36
16 Ukrainian 18.54
17 South_Dutch 18.9
18 Italian_Abruzzo 20.34
19 Portuguese 20.69
20 Spanish_Galicia 21.06

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 55.1% South_Polish + 44.9% West_Sicilian @ 2.78
2 97.5% Serbian + 2.5% Chamar @ 2.83
3 97.5% Serbian + 2.5% Sakilli @ 2.86
4 97.4% Serbian + 2.6% North_Kannadi @ 2.87
5 97.4% Serbian + 2.6% Chenchu @ 2.88
6 97.4% Serbian + 2.6% Kol @ 2.88
7 97.5% Serbian + 2.5% Piramalai @ 2.88
8 97.5% Serbian + 2.5% Dusadh @ 2.9
9 97.4% Serbian + 2.6% Uttar_Pradesh @ 2.9
10 97.5% Serbian + 2.5% Velamas @ 2.91
11 97.4% Serbian + 2.6% Kanjar @ 2.93
12 97.6% Serbian + 2.4% Kurumba @ 2.93
13 97.4% Serbian + 2.6% Dharkar @ 2.94
14 97.7% Serbian + 2.3% Austroasiatic_Ho @ 2.94
15 55.3% Greek_Thessaly + 44.7% South_Polish @ 2.98
16 59.3% South_Polish + 40.7% South_Italian @ 3
17 97.4% Serbian + 2.6% Kshatriya @ 3.02
18 97.4% Serbian + 2.6% Bangladeshi @ 3.02
19 55% Tuscan + 45% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.04
20 59.6% Hungarian + 40.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.05

[Leto]

Here's another Serbian-American, Mrđenović (Y-DNA: R1a-M512; mtDNA: W1h). This is what he says about himself in his 'about me' box on FTDNA:
My four grandparents were Serbs living in Croatia who came to the USA in the first decade of the 1900s. I don't know anything about my great grandparents. Would like to know the ethnicity beyond being 100% Serbian American.

More precisely, he listed Vojnić (Kordun) and Dvor and Glina (Banija) as his places of origin. The high South Asian score is unusual, sadly FTDNA won't let me view his full results. he's the guy with highest South Asian value in vbnetkhio's opening post.

Kit T984751

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 27.08
2 North_Atlantic 26.26
3 East_Med 17.75
4 West_Med 15.89
5 West_Asian 8.37
6 South_Asian 2.91
7 Red_Sea 1.26
8 East_Asian 0.3
9 Siberian 0.17

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 3.45
2 Romanian 4.63
3 Bulgarian 6.82
4 Moldavian 9.06
5 Hungarian 10.03
6 Croatian 10.99
7 Austrian 12.98
8 Greek_Thessaly 14.4
9 East_German 14.61
10 North_Italian 17.08
11 West_German 17.34
12 Ukrainian_Lviv 17.46
13 South_Polish 17.68
14 Tuscan 18.12
15 French 18.36
16 Ukrainian 18.54
17 South_Dutch 18.9
18 Italian_Abruzzo 20.34
19 Portuguese 20.69
20 Spanish_Galicia 21.06

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 55.1% South_Polish + 44.9% West_Sicilian @ 2.78
2 97.5% Serbian + 2.5% Chamar @ 2.83
3 97.5% Serbian + 2.5% Sakilli @ 2.86
4 97.4% Serbian + 2.6% North_Kannadi @ 2.87
5 97.4% Serbian + 2.6% Chenchu @ 2.88
6 97.4% Serbian + 2.6% Kol @ 2.88
7 97.5% Serbian + 2.5% Piramalai @ 2.88
8 97.5% Serbian + 2.5% Dusadh @ 2.9
9 97.4% Serbian + 2.6% Uttar_Pradesh @ 2.9
10 97.5% Serbian + 2.5% Velamas @ 2.91
11 97.4% Serbian + 2.6% Kanjar @ 2.93
12 97.6% Serbian + 2.4% Kurumba @ 2.93
13 97.4% Serbian + 2.6% Dharkar @ 2.94
14 97.7% Serbian + 2.3% Austroasiatic_Ho @ 2.94
15 55.3% Greek_Thessaly + 44.7% South_Polish @ 2.98
16 59.3% South_Polish + 40.7% South_Italian @ 3
17 97.4% Serbian + 2.6% Kshatriya @ 3.02
18 97.4% Serbian + 2.6% Bangladeshi @ 3.02
19 55% Tuscan + 45% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.04
20 59.6% Hungarian + 40.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.05
As usual, the South Asian drastically reduces in other runs

Population
Gedrosia 5.43 Pct
Siberian 0.26 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.34 Pct
Atlantic_Med 27.45 Pct
North_European 38.56 Pct
South_Asian 0.93 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 5.57 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 21.44 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

[vbnetkhio]

Norheastern Bosnia, between Bijeljina and Ozren


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 31.64
2 North_Atlantic 21.57
3 West_Med 18.25
4 East_Med 16.09
5 West_Asian 8.06
6 South_Asian 2.8
7 Siberian 0.81
8 Amerindian 0.53
9 Oceanian 0.14
10 East_Asian 0.11

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 6.96
2 Serbian 7.4
3 Romanian 8.1
4 Bulgarian 8.81
5 Croatian 9.39
6 Hungarian 11.96
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 15.19
8 Austrian 15.78
9 Ukrainian 16.04
10 South_Polish 16.27
11 East_German 16.49
12 Greek_Thessaly 16.79
13 Southwest_Russian 19.04
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 19.45
15 Polish 19.51
16 Russian_Smolensk 21.12
17 North_Italian 21.18
18 Estonian_Polish 21.39
19 West_German 21.75
20 Tuscan 22.16

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 51.2% Ukrainian + 48.8% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.79
2 61.6% Greek_Thessaly + 38.4% Lithuanian @ 4.11
3 56.3% Greek_Thessaly + 43.7% Estonian_Polish @ 4.13
4 66.8% Bulgarian + 33.2% Ukrainian @ 4.3
5 67.9% Ukrainian + 32.1% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.33
6 64.4% Ukrainian + 35.6% South_Italian @ 4.33
7 73.2% Bulgarian + 26.8% Estonian_Polish @ 4.36
8 53.3% Greek_Thessaly + 46.7% Southwest_Russian @ 4.38
9 60.4% Ukrainian + 39.6% Central_Greek @ 4.41
10 56% Greek_Thessaly + 44% Russian_Smolensk @ 4.44
11 77.4% Bulgarian + 22.6% Lithuanian @ 4.45
12 61.7% Ukrainian + 38.3% East_Sicilian @ 4.53
13 52.7% Ukrainian_Lviv + 47.3% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.55
14 74.8% Bulgarian + 25.2% Kargopol_Russian @ 4.57
15 71.1% Bulgarian + 28.9% Southwest_Russian @ 4.62
16 73.4% Bulgarian + 26.6% Russian_Smolensk @ 4.63
17 57.4% Greek_Thessaly + 42.6% Belorussian @ 4.66
18 75.8% Moldavian + 24.2% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.67
19 66% Bulgarian + 34% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.68
20 66.5% Croatian + 33.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.69


Slavonia+Srem


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 28.21
2 North_Atlantic 27.86
3 West_Med 17.61
4 East_Med 13.86
5 West_Asian 9.64
6 Siberian 1.57
7 Northeast_African 0.47
8 Red_Sea 0.44
9 East_Asian 0.32

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 3.31
2 Romanian 6.25
3 Moldavian 7.08
4 Hungarian 7.74
5 Croatian 8.82
6 Bulgarian 8.85
7 Austrian 10.34
8 East_German 11.88
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 15.34
10 West_German 15.43
11 South_Polish 15.54
12 Ukrainian 16.45
13 South_Dutch 16.87
14 French 17.02
15 Greek_Thessaly 17.05
16 North_Italian 17.6
17 Polish 19.32
18 Tuscan 19.78
19 North_German 20.02
20 Portuguese 20.15

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 57.7% Bulgarian + 42.3% East_German @ 2.33
2 67.1% Romanian + 32.9% East_German @ 2.6
3 72.7% Moldavian + 27.3% North_Italian @ 2.7
4 53.9% North_Italian + 46.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.75
5 70.1% Croatian + 29.9% Tuscan @ 2.81
6 54.7% Ukrainian + 45.3% Tuscan @ 2.82
7 54.3% Bulgarian + 45.7% Austrian @ 2.84
8 87.8% Serbian + 12.2% East_German @ 2.9
9 56.5% Romanian + 43.5% Hungarian @ 2.92
10 53.8% Hungarian + 46.2% Bulgarian @ 2.93
11 87.4% Serbian + 12.6% Austrian @ 2.98
12 80.7% Romanian + 19.3% Southwest_Finnish @ 3
13 85.7% Serbian + 14.3% Croatian @ 3
14 84.5% Serbian + 15.5% Hungarian @ 3.03
15 64.4% Romanian + 35.6% Austrian @ 3.04
16 92.5% Serbian + 7.5% Ukrainian @ 3.04
17 83.1% Serbian + 16.9% Moldavian @ 3.04
18 96.5% Serbian + 3.5% French_Basque @ 3.05
19 92.3% Serbian + 7.7% South_Polish @ 3.05
20 56.2% South_Polish + 43.8% Tuscan @ 3.05


Miloš Živković (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milo%C5%A1_%C5%BDivkovi%C4%87_(writer)) - writer


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 31.23
2 North_Atlantic 24.94
3 West_Med 16.28
4 East_Med 13.42
5 West_Asian 9.15
6 Red_Sea 2.68
7 Amerindian 1.06
8 Oceanian 0.7
9 Sub-Saharan 0.54

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 4.14
2 Serbian 4.71
3 Croatian 6.35
4 Romanian 7.59
5 Hungarian 8.17
6 Bulgarian 9.5
7 Austrian 11.97
8 Ukrainian_Lviv 12.78
9 East_German 12.92
10 South_Polish 13.76
11 Ukrainian 14.16
12 Polish 17.08
13 Southwest_Russian 17.46
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.69
15 Greek_Thessaly 18.13
16 West_German 18.37
17 Russian_Smolensk 19.15
18 Estonian_Polish 19.68
19 South_Dutch 19.82
20 Belorussian 20.32

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 80.2% Croatian + 19.8% Central_Greek @ 1.33
2 80.9% Croatian + 19.1% East_Sicilian @ 1.39
3 82.6% Croatian + 17.4% South_Italian @ 1.43
4 74.5% Croatian + 25.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.44
5 60.3% Croatian + 39.7% Bulgarian @ 1.55
6 84.9% Croatian + 15.1% Algerian_Jewish @ 1.58
7 85% Croatian + 15% Sephardic_Jewish @ 1.67
8 85% Croatian + 15% Italian_Jewish @ 1.7
9 86.7% Croatian + 13.3% Cyprian @ 1.72
10 59.6% Polish + 40.4% Central_Greek @ 1.77
11 51.5% Polish + 48.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.81
12 86.2% Croatian + 13.8% Tunisian_Jewish @ 1.82
13 80.8% Croatian + 19.2% West_Sicilian @ 1.83
14 63.4% Polish + 36.6% South_Italian @ 1.84
15 80% Croatian + 20% Italian_Abruzzo @ 1.87
16 54.8% Croatian + 45.2% Romanian @ 1.88
17 82% Croatian + 18% Ashkenazi @ 1.88
18 64.6% Bulgarian + 35.4% Polish @ 1.91
19 58.8% Ukrainian_Lviv + 41.2% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.94
20 86.3% Croatian + 13.7% Libyan_Jewish @ 1.94


Montenegrin from Kuči tribe


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 25.99
2 North_Atlantic 23.64
3 West_Med 18.24
4 East_Med 17.13
5 West_Asian 11.85
6 Amerindian 1.35
7 Red_Sea 0.79
8 Northeast_African 0.55
9 Siberian 0.26
10 Oceanian 0.19

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 2.71
2 Bulgarian 3.86
3 Serbian 5.22
4 Moldavian 9.73
5 Greek_Thessaly 12.39
6 Croatian 12.54
7 Hungarian 12.6
8 Austrian 15.43
9 North_Italian 16.69
10 East_German 17.12
11 Tuscan 17.2
12 Italian_Abruzzo 18.52
13 Ukrainian_Lviv 19.06
14 Central_Greek 19.21
15 West_German 19.49
16 South_Polish 19.81
17 French 20.08
18 West_Sicilian 20.11
19 Ukrainian 20.26
20 East_Sicilian 20.58

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 84.1% Bulgarian + 15.9% East_German @ 2.14
2 79.5% Bulgarian + 20.5% Croatian @ 2.18
3 79.9% Bulgarian + 20.1% Hungarian @ 2.26
4 75.4% Bulgarian + 24.6% Moldavian @ 2.31
5 83.3% Bulgarian + 16.7% Austrian @ 2.34
6 86.5% Bulgarian + 13.5% South_Polish @ 2.35
7 88.4% Bulgarian + 11.6% Polish @ 2.36
8 87% Bulgarian + 13% Ukrainian @ 2.4
9 88.4% Romanian + 11.6% Moldavian @ 2.42
10 86.3% Bulgarian + 13.7% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.42
11 90.3% Bulgarian + 9.7% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.42
12 91.6% Romanian + 8.4% Croatian @ 2.47
13 90.3% Bulgarian + 9.7% North_Swedish @ 2.47
14 94.8% Romanian + 5.2% Ukrainian @ 2.48
15 91.1% Bulgarian + 8.9% Estonian @ 2.48
16 95.7% Romanian + 4.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.5
17 94.8% Romanian + 5.2% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.51
18 95.8% Romanian + 4.2% Southwest_Russian @ 2.52
19 96.6% Romanian + 3.4% Erzya @ 2.52
20 96.8% Romanian + 3.2% Lithuanian @ 2.52



Badovinac - Serbian noble family from White Carniola



# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 31.47
2 Baltic 29.18
3 West_Med 17.89
4 East_Med 11.17
5 West_Asian 5.65
6 Red_Sea 1.93
7 Amerindian 1.44
8 Siberian 0.89
9 Northeast_African 0.32
10 Sub-Saharan 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarian 5.63
2 Austrian 6.78
3 Serbian 6.99
4 East_German 7.95
5 Croatian 8.29
6 Moldavian 8.71
7 Romanian 10.72
8 West_German 12.48
9 Bulgarian 13.44
10 South_Dutch 13.6
11 South_Polish 13.87
12 Ukrainian_Lviv 14.04
13 French 14.38
14 Ukrainian 15.11
15 North_German 16.61
16 Polish 17.25
17 North_Italian 18.46
18 North_Swedish 18.55
19 Spanish_Galicia 18.55
20 Southeast_English 18.62

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 51.7% Polish + 48.3% North_Italian @ 1.66
2 72.1% Croatian + 27.9% Spanish_Murcia @ 1.71
3 88.5% Hungarian + 11.5% Sardinian @ 1.76
4 71% Croatian + 29% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 1.78
5 72% Croatian + 28% Spanish_Valencia @ 1.8
6 75% Croatian + 25% Spanish_Aragon @ 1.83
7 56.3% North_Italian + 43.7% Estonian @ 1.84
8 69.7% Croatian + 30.3% Portuguese @ 1.91
9 70.2% Croatian + 29.8% Spanish_Cataluna @ 1.91
10 73.1% Croatian + 26.9% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.93
11 58.1% North_Italian + 41.9% Lithuanian @ 1.98
12 51.2% Southwest_Russian + 48.8% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.06
13 71.7% Croatian + 28.3% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.11
14 72.4% Croatian + 27.6% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.14
15 69.7% Croatian + 30.3% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.14
16 53.6% Southwest_Russian + 46.4% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.18
17 73.7% Croatian + 26.3% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.23
18 57.3% South_Polish + 42.7% North_Italian @ 2.3
19 52.8% North_Italian + 47.2% Estonian_Polish @ 2.35
20 50.6% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 49.4% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.37



if Kuči are 25% Baltic, i wonder who those Montenegrins with 20-22% are.

[Tie red]

My mom from Ceranje Donje and Miranje donje villages.

1 North_Atlantic 27.33
2 Baltic 26.94
3 West_Med 15.6
4 East_Med 14.65
5 West_Asian 12.26
6 East_Asian 1.52
7 Red_Sea 0.8
8 Siberian 0.49
9 Oceanian 0.34
10 Northeast_African 0.07

1 94.1% Serbian + 5.9% Tabassaran @ 2.38
2 94.2% Serbian + 5.8% Chechen @ 2.41
3 94.4% Serbian + 5.6% Lezgin @ 2.44
4 94.8% Serbian + 5.2% North_Ossetian @ 2.47
5 95% Serbian + 5% Ossetian @ 2.48
6 94.6% Serbian + 5.4% Balkar @ 2.5
7 94.5% Serbian + 5.5% Kabardin @ 2.51
8 94.9% Serbian + 5.1% Adygei @ 2.56
9 96.1% Serbian + 3.9% Abhkasian @ 2.64
10 94.7% Serbian + 5.3% Kumyk @ 2.65

Geneplaza

96360

[vbnetkhio]

My mom from Ceranje Donje and Miranje donje villages.

1 North_Atlantic 27.33
2 Baltic 26.94
3 West_Med 15.6
4 East_Med 14.65
5 West_Asian 12.26
6 East_Asian 1.52
7 Red_Sea 0.8
8 Siberian 0.49
9 Oceanian 0.34
10 Northeast_African 0.07

1 94.1% Serbian + 5.9% Tabassaran @ 2.38
2 94.2% Serbian + 5.8% Chechen @ 2.41
3 94.4% Serbian + 5.6% Lezgin @ 2.44
4 94.8% Serbian + 5.2% North_Ossetian @ 2.47
5 95% Serbian + 5% Ossetian @ 2.48
6 94.6% Serbian + 5.4% Balkar @ 2.5
7 94.5% Serbian + 5.5% Kabardin @ 2.51
8 94.9% Serbian + 5.1% Adygei @ 2.56
9 96.1% Serbian + 3.9% Abhkasian @ 2.64
10 94.7% Serbian + 5.3% Kumyk @ 2.65

Geneplaza

96360

she is that type with roughly equal Baltic and north Atlantic, like the Slavonia+Srem person from my last post, but she also has increased West Asian

[Jana]

if Kuči are 25% Baltic, i wonder who those Montenegrins with 20-22% are.

We can ask the same about 35-36% Baltic Serbs whose ancestry you don't seem to question, isn't it?

[Jackson78]

Ajmo narode u 500 jevreja da će Pribislav i ova Rvatica da se smuvaju na kraju. :biggrin:

[Jana]

Ajmo narode u 500 jevreja da će Pribislav i ova Rvatica da se smuvaju na kraju. :biggrin:

He needs a Russian woman to increase Baltic score in his descendants. I can see Pribislav advocating Serb-Russian mixing campaign to increase their Slavicness.

[Jackson78]

He needs a Russian woman to increase Baltic score in his descendants. I can see Pribislav advocating Serb-Russian mixing campaign to increase their Slavicness.

I think he needs you, to embrace his Croatian ancestors and you need him to embrace your Serb ancestors. ;)

[Leto]

He needs a Russian woman to increase Baltic score in his descendants. I can see Pribislav advocating Serb-Russian mixing campaign to increase their Slavicness.
Yeah and their kid would be more Northern than yours xD

[Pribislav]

Ajmo narode u 500 jevreja da će Pribislav i ova Rvatica da se smuvaju na kraju. :biggrin:

Najjači post meseca. :lol:

Ne bi joj bilo prvi put da se "petlja" sa Srbima.

[Jackson78]

Najjači post meseca. :lol:

Ne bi joj bilo prvi put da se "petlja" sa Srbima.

Hvala bogu, lepo Vuco veli da Srbi jebu bolje od Hrvata:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXLF0obe1Sk

„Znate što je problen kod Hrvata, taj što in se kurac ne diže, Srbi bolje jebu nego Hrvati!" :1127:

[Jana]

Boys, you are great fun :) :1127:

[CommonSense]

This guy I don't match personally. It was Mingle who discovered him while going through the matches of some Sorb, but he brought him to our server so I had the chance to chat with him personally. His father's side is from a village near Leskovac, apparently they emmigrated there some time ago from Kyustendil, Bulgaria (near the Serbian border). Mom's side is from the Osečina municipality in western Serbia. He's a member of our project as well as the project's forum and his Y-DNA is I1-M253 (surname: Cvetković).

Kit SS2854097

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 29.5
2 North_Atlantic 25.91
3 West_Med 16.07
4 East_Med 13.68
5 West_Asian 9.33
6 Red_Sea 3.22
7 South_Asian 1.32
8 East_Asian 0.9
9 Northeast_African 0.08

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 3.13
2 Moldavian 5.45
3 Romanian 6.49
4 Croatian 7.51
5 Hungarian 7.93
6 Bulgarian 8.82
7 Austrian 11.24
8 East_German 12.54
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 13.99
10 South_Polish 14.67
11 Ukrainian 15.38
12 Greek_Thessaly 17.16
13 West_German 17.17
14 Polish 18.18
15 South_Dutch 18.58
16 Southwest_Russian 18.8
17 French 18.86
18 Ukrainian_Belgorod 18.97
19 North_Italian 19.35
20 Russian_Smolensk 20.34

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 75.8% Croatian + 24.2% Italian_Abruzzo @ 1.57
2 77% Croatian + 23% West_Sicilian @ 1.74
3 66.8% Serbian + 33.2% Moldavian @ 1.81
4 82.1% Croatian + 17.9% Sephardic_Jewish @ 1.82
5 77.6% Croatian + 22.4% East_Sicilian @ 1.86
6 79.6% Croatian + 20.4% South_Italian @ 1.86
7 52.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 47.5% Tuscan @ 1.88
8 76.8% Croatian + 23.2% Central_Greek @ 1.96
9 74.9% Serbian + 25.1% Croatian @ 1.97
10 63.8% Ukrainian_Lviv + 36.2% West_Sicilian @ 1.98
11 54% Romanian + 46% Croatian @ 1.98
12 62.4% Ukrainian_Lviv + 37.6% Italian_Abruzzo @ 1.99
13 60.1% Ukrainian + 39.9% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2
14 56% Polish + 44% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.02
15 70.2% Croatian + 29.8% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.06
16 85.5% Serbian + 14.5% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.07
17 61% Polish + 39% South_Italian @ 2.08
18 74.6% Romanian + 25.4% Polish @ 2.12
19 82.3% Croatian + 17.7% Italian_Jewish @ 2.13
20 63.4% South_Polish + 36.6% East_Sicilian @ 2.15

[Leto]

Can this person be Serbian?

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 37.08
2 North_Atlantic 22.21
3 East_Med 16.29
4 West_Med 15.85
5 West_Asian 4.93
6 South_Asian 1.63
7 Red_Sea 0.68
8 Amerindian 0.66
9 Siberian 0.63

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 7.66
2 Croatian 7.96
3 Serbian 10.62
4 Hungarian 11.86
5 Ukrainian_Lviv 12.03
6 Ukrainian 12.38
7 Romanian 12.81
8 South_Polish 12.99
9 Bulgarian 13.68
10 Southwest_Russian 14.73
11 Ukrainian_Belgorod 15.49
12 Polish 15.7
13 Austrian 16.26
14 East_German 16.27
15 Estonian_Polish 16.82
16 Russian_Smolensk 16.88
17 Belorussian 17.58
18 Kargopol_Russian 19.06
19 Erzya 20.07
20 Greek_Thessaly 21.65

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 69.5% Estonian_Polish + 30.5% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.58
2 63.4% Lithuanian + 36.6% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.66
3 64.8% Estonian_Polish + 35.2% Ashkenazi @ 4.73
4 56.7% Estonian_Polish + 43.3% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.73
5 50.2% Greek_Thessaly + 49.8% Lithuanian @ 4.86
6 58.2% Lithuanian + 41.8% Ashkenazi @ 4.86
7 69.8% Estonian_Polish + 30.2% Italian_Jewish @ 4.89
8 72.3% Ukrainian + 27.7% Ashkenazi @ 4.96
9 63.6% Lithuanian + 36.4% Italian_Jewish @ 5.02
10 76.6% Ukrainian + 23.4% Algerian_Jewish @ 5.07
11 55.6% Belorussian + 44.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.12
12 67.1% Estonian_Polish + 32.9% South_Italian @ 5.16
13 68.7% Belorussian + 31.3% Algerian_Jewish @ 5.18
14 72.8% Southwest_Russian + 27.2% Algerian_Jewish @ 5.2
15 55.9% Bulgarian + 44.1% Estonian_Polish @ 5.28
16 63.9% Estonian_Polish + 36.1% Central_Greek @ 5.28
17 64.8% Estonian_Polish + 35.2% East_Sicilian @ 5.29
18 60.4% Southwest_Russian + 39.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.29
19 69.7% Russian_Smolensk + 30.3% Algerian_Jewish @ 5.31
20 76.8% Ukrainian + 23.2% Italian_Jewish @ 5.32


Branko Veža

[vbnetkhio]

Can this person be Serbian?

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 37.08
2 North_Atlantic 22.21
3 East_Med 16.29
4 West_Med 15.85
5 West_Asian 4.93
6 South_Asian 1.63
7 Red_Sea 0.68
8 Amerindian 0.66
9 Siberian 0.63

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 7.66
2 Croatian 7.96
3 Serbian 10.62
4 Hungarian 11.86
5 Ukrainian_Lviv 12.03
6 Ukrainian 12.38
7 Romanian 12.81
8 South_Polish 12.99
9 Bulgarian 13.68
10 Southwest_Russian 14.73
11 Ukrainian_Belgorod 15.49
12 Polish 15.7
13 Austrian 16.26
14 East_German 16.27
15 Estonian_Polish 16.82
16 Russian_Smolensk 16.88
17 Belorussian 17.58
18 Kargopol_Russian 19.06
19 Erzya 20.07
20 Greek_Thessaly 21.65

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 69.5% Estonian_Polish + 30.5% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.58
2 63.4% Lithuanian + 36.6% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.66
3 64.8% Estonian_Polish + 35.2% Ashkenazi @ 4.73
4 56.7% Estonian_Polish + 43.3% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.73
5 50.2% Greek_Thessaly + 49.8% Lithuanian @ 4.86
6 58.2% Lithuanian + 41.8% Ashkenazi @ 4.86
7 69.8% Estonian_Polish + 30.2% Italian_Jewish @ 4.89
8 72.3% Ukrainian + 27.7% Ashkenazi @ 4.96
9 63.6% Lithuanian + 36.4% Italian_Jewish @ 5.02
10 76.6% Ukrainian + 23.4% Algerian_Jewish @ 5.07
11 55.6% Belorussian + 44.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.12
12 67.1% Estonian_Polish + 32.9% South_Italian @ 5.16
13 68.7% Belorussian + 31.3% Algerian_Jewish @ 5.18
14 72.8% Southwest_Russian + 27.2% Algerian_Jewish @ 5.2
15 55.9% Bulgarian + 44.1% Estonian_Polish @ 5.28
16 63.9% Estonian_Polish + 36.1% Central_Greek @ 5.28
17 64.8% Estonian_Polish + 35.2% East_Sicilian @ 5.29
18 60.4% Southwest_Russian + 39.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.29
19 69.7% Russian_Smolensk + 30.3% Algerian_Jewish @ 5.31
20 76.8% Ukrainian + 23.2% Italian_Jewish @ 5.32


Branko Veža


https://actacroatica.com/en/surname/Ve%C5%BEa/

[Jana]

Can this person be Serbian?


Branko Veža


Croatian surname from Dalmatia. In before Dušan's next attack to f... off from all things Serbian.

https://www.namespedia.com/img/Croatia/Veza.jpg


Veža families are Croats and they are mostly from Ploce area. In Brist in Ploce area every sixth inhabitant had the family name Veža.

No Serbs in that area.

[Leto]

Thanks.
His Baltic is high, by the way. You can run him through Vahaduo.

[CommonSense]

Can this person be Serbian?

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 37.08
2 North_Atlantic 22.21
3 East_Med 16.29
4 West_Med 15.85
5 West_Asian 4.93
6 South_Asian 1.63
7 Red_Sea 0.68
8 Amerindian 0.66
9 Siberian 0.63

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 7.66
2 Croatian 7.96
3 Serbian 10.62
4 Hungarian 11.86
5 Ukrainian_Lviv 12.03
6 Ukrainian 12.38
7 Romanian 12.81
8 South_Polish 12.99
9 Bulgarian 13.68
10 Southwest_Russian 14.73
11 Ukrainian_Belgorod 15.49
12 Polish 15.7
13 Austrian 16.26
14 East_German 16.27
15 Estonian_Polish 16.82
16 Russian_Smolensk 16.88
17 Belorussian 17.58
18 Kargopol_Russian 19.06
19 Erzya 20.07
20 Greek_Thessaly 21.65

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 69.5% Estonian_Polish + 30.5% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.58
2 63.4% Lithuanian + 36.6% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.66
3 64.8% Estonian_Polish + 35.2% Ashkenazi @ 4.73
4 56.7% Estonian_Polish + 43.3% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.73
5 50.2% Greek_Thessaly + 49.8% Lithuanian @ 4.86
6 58.2% Lithuanian + 41.8% Ashkenazi @ 4.86
7 69.8% Estonian_Polish + 30.2% Italian_Jewish @ 4.89
8 72.3% Ukrainian + 27.7% Ashkenazi @ 4.96
9 63.6% Lithuanian + 36.4% Italian_Jewish @ 5.02
10 76.6% Ukrainian + 23.4% Algerian_Jewish @ 5.07
11 55.6% Belorussian + 44.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.12
12 67.1% Estonian_Polish + 32.9% South_Italian @ 5.16
13 68.7% Belorussian + 31.3% Algerian_Jewish @ 5.18
14 72.8% Southwest_Russian + 27.2% Algerian_Jewish @ 5.2
15 55.9% Bulgarian + 44.1% Estonian_Polish @ 5.28
16 63.9% Estonian_Polish + 36.1% Central_Greek @ 5.28
17 64.8% Estonian_Polish + 35.2% East_Sicilian @ 5.29
18 60.4% Southwest_Russian + 39.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.29
19 69.7% Russian_Smolensk + 30.3% Algerian_Jewish @ 5.31
20 76.8% Ukrainian + 23.2% Italian_Jewish @ 5.32


Branko Veža


The surname seems to be Dalmatian Croat, but the results are odd even for them.

[Jana]

Thanks.
His Baltic is high, by the way. You can run him through Vahaduo.

Meh, I don't want arguments anymore, thanks. Let Serbs post about their DNA.

[Ljubic]

Hvala bogu, lepo Vuco veli da Srbi jebu bolje od Hrvata:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXLF0obe1Sk

„Znate što je problen kod Hrvata, taj što in se kurac ne diže, Srbi bolje jebu nego Hrvati!" :1127:

Ovaj idiot nazvao je Edo Maajka turkinjom iako je pjevač turbofolka. Loš je primjer za prosječnog Hrvata.

[Pribislav]

Ovaj idiot nazvao je Edo Maajka turkinjom iako je pjevač turbofolka. Loš je primjer za prosječnog Hrvata.

Vuco je autentični Vlaj, ono tipa "neš nada me." Lik nema dlake na jeziku i ne jebe živu silu.

Taki je moj ćaća. :)

[Babak]

Yeah, fucking Mingle was obsessed with Balkan genetics, haha xD
Of course it's not a crime and I myself post various results but he acted like a fucking expert on the Balkans being a Pakistani living in New York.

Idk man. I dont be to be condescending, nor do I have anything against you, but you seem to have something for Iranians and how much steppe admixture they have.

[Leto]

Idk man. I dont be to be condescending, nor do I have anything against you, but you seem to have something for Iranians and how much steppe admixture they have.
Yes, I always say I'm interested in the peoples of Steppe origin as well as the former Soviet republics.

Europeans are well known explorers, they went to all corners of the world and described the aboriginals, so we have a right to talk about non-whites on a European forum :cool:

[Insuperable]

Sjećam se kada sam prvi put gledao to s Vucom. Od smijanja me steglo u grudnom košu, mislio sam da ću umrijeti, pogotovo ispočetka.

[Insuperable]

Yeah, fucking Mingle was obsessed with Balkan genetics, haha xD
Of course it's not a crime and I myself post various results but he acted like a fucking expert on the Balkans being a Pakistani living in New York.

Migle is a great guy. I forgot about him. Must be this Serbo-Horoathos-Iranian connection.:cool:

[Babak]

Yes, I always say I'm interested in the peoples of Steppe origin as well as the former Soviet republics.

Europeans are well known explorers, they went to all corners of the world and described the aboriginals, so we have a right to talk about non-whites on a European forum :cool:


Alright then, this makes you a hypocrite. Mingle has a right to talk about whatever he wants regardless whether "HE hAs tHe rIgHt or nOt" With that said, Your people have no relationship with Persians or Iranians since we are not Europeans nor can you claim Early Iranians as Europeans either. Its already been established many times in this forum.

[Kamal900]

Alright then, this makes you a hypocrite. Your people have no relationship with Persians or Iranians since we are not Europeans nor can you claim Early Iranians as Europeans either. Its already been established many times in this forum.

Indeed. The people today that cluster the closest to the Iron Age Aryans from Turkmenistan are the modern day Tajiks and other Central Asiatics, not Europeans. And besides, Levantine Arabs also have as significant steppe ancestry as Persians, and yet, for some odd reason, the whole thing is left out completely by the likes of Leto and others in trying to claim everything Iranic and their achievements.

[CommonSense]

Out of interest in this discussion, I decided to try a little experiment. I went through my matches on gedmatch and searched for the first 50 people of Serbian, Croatian and Bosniak background I could find. For some I already knew their ancestry, for others I had nothing to go on but their first and last names they left along with their kit. Obviously, I excluded the people with results that clearly appear mixed (people like Ayetooey, for example, who have Serbian names but are half NW Euro). Most of those inidivduals I'd say are Serbs, with a fair few Croats and three Bosniaks.

The average Baltic score on K13 out of the people I checked out is 29.88. The lowest I found belongs to Croat Belfranin from Zadar county - 22.51 , yet his North Atlantic is extremely high, over 30. The highest score, 35.58 had Miškulin, another Dalmatian Croat. But, he scores only about 21 North Atlantic, so he's practically the polar opposite of the man from Zadar in that regard.

Only one person scored below 25, and only two of them above 35 (as you can see, just barely).

So, my conclusion is: yes, individuals like those Serbs Pribislav keeps spamming lately, as well as Max Soldo for a Croat, are serious outliers and continuously posting them and only them gives a pretty twisted view and can cause less informed people to make wrong conclusions about the topic - for example: ''Krajina Serbs are Croat admixed and closer to Croats than to other Serb''. Not saying a Serb can't so much 'Baltic' or north European DNA, but when even the majority of Croats don't, this constant circlejerk is really hard to understand.

[Dušan]

Results of Krajina Serb (Lika (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lika) region), surname Cvjetićanin.

K13

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 30.79
2 North_Atlantic 25.41
3 West_Med 16.04
4 East_Med 13.59
5 West_Asian 10.23
6 Red_Sea 2.85
7 East_Asian 0.47
8 Amerindian 0.25
9 Oceanian 0.2
10 Northeast_African 0.18

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 4.02
2 Moldavian 4.54
3 Croatian 6.78
4 Romanian 7.05
5 Hungarian 8.07
6 Bulgarian 9.1
7 Austrian 11.7
8 East_German 12.85
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 13.22
10 South_Polish 14.03

K15

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 20.2
2 Baltic 18.06
3 Eastern_Euro 14.63
4 North_Sea 13.31
5 West_Med 11.62
6 West_Asian 9.9
7 East_Med 9.68
8 Red_Sea 2.59

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 6.6
2 Romanian 7.26
3 Croatian 7.82
4 Austrian 8.32
5 Moldavian 8.35
6 Bulgarian 8.6
7 Hungarian 10.92
8 East_German 13.62
9 South_Polish 14.3
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 14.85

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 53% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 47% Tuscan @ 4.24
2 56.6% Russian_Smolensk + 43.4% Italian_Abruzzo @ 4.36
3 53.9% Russian_Smolensk + 46.1% Tuscan @ 4.39
4 52.9% Estonian_Polish + 47.1% Italian_Abruzzo @ 4.44
5 71.3% Croatian + 28.7% Greek @ 4.55
6 76.2% Croatian + 23.8% Italian_Abruzzo @ 4.59
7 52% Southwest_Russian + 48% Tuscan @ 4.6
8 58.3% Russian_Smolensk + 41.7% West_Sicilian @ 4.62
9 77.5% Croatian + 22.5% West_Sicilian @ 4.63
10 53.5% Croatian + 46.5% Bulgarian @ 4.67
11 51.2% Austrian + 48.8% Bulgarian @ 4.68
12 82.5% Croatian + 17.5% Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.74
13 68.3% Bulgarian + 31.7% Russian_Smolensk @ 4.77
14 68.7% Bulgarian + 31.3% Polish @ 4.8
15 71.6% Bulgarian + 28.4% Estonian_Polish @ 4.81
16 50.2% Estonian_Polish + 49.8% Tuscan @ 4.82
17 50.2% Polish + 49.8% Greek @ 4.84
18 80.6% Croatian + 19.4% South_Italian @ 4.93
19 50.5% Russian_Smolensk + 49.5% Greek @ 4.94
20 78.2% Croatian + 21.8% Central_Greek @ 4.95


https://i.imgur.com/f8B6pTg.png

https://i.imgur.com/ML3eum2.jpg

[Leto]

What are the Serbian East and West Med averages? The old Eurogenes spreadsheet puts them at ca. 15 percent East and 15 percent West (on K15 it's around 12 percent each).

[Dušan]

What are the Serbian East and West Med averages? The old Eurogenes spreadsheet puts them at ca. 15 percent East and 15 percent West (on K15 it's around 12 percent each).

Yes, according to old Gedmatch 15.84% WestMed and 15.63% EastMed.
According to new average on Vahaduo, based mostly on Poreklo members, averages are 16.53% WestMed and 15.37% EastMed.

[Token]

Alright then, this makes you a hypocrite. Mingle has a right to talk about whatever he wants regardless whether "HE hAs tHe rIgHt or nOt" With that said, Your people have no relationship with Persians or Iranians since we are not Europeans nor can you claim Early Iranians as Europeans either. Its already been established many times in this forum.

We can claim Proto-Indo-Iranians though, who came from the heart of Europe, your language and Zorostrianism, which was first preached in the steppes of Southern Russia aka Airyanem Vaejah. Not less important, around 15% of the modern Iranian genome is North European-like.

[CommonSense]

Results of Krajina Serb (Lika (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lika) region), surname Cvjetićanin.

K13

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 30.79
2 North_Atlantic 25.41
3 West_Med 16.04
4 East_Med 13.59
5 West_Asian 10.23
6 Red_Sea 2.85
7 East_Asian 0.47
8 Amerindian 0.25
9 Oceanian 0.2
10 Northeast_African 0.18

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 4.02
2 Moldavian 4.54
3 Croatian 6.78
4 Romanian 7.05
5 Hungarian 8.07
6 Bulgarian 9.1
7 Austrian 11.7
8 East_German 12.85
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 13.22
10 South_Polish 14.03

K15

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 20.2
2 Baltic 18.06
3 Eastern_Euro 14.63
4 North_Sea 13.31
5 West_Med 11.62
6 West_Asian 9.9
7 East_Med 9.68
8 Red_Sea 2.59

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 6.6
2 Romanian 7.26
3 Croatian 7.82
4 Austrian 8.32
5 Moldavian 8.35
6 Bulgarian 8.6
7 Hungarian 10.92
8 East_German 13.62
9 South_Polish 14.3
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 14.85

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 53% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 47% Tuscan @ 4.24
2 56.6% Russian_Smolensk + 43.4% Italian_Abruzzo @ 4.36
3 53.9% Russian_Smolensk + 46.1% Tuscan @ 4.39
4 52.9% Estonian_Polish + 47.1% Italian_Abruzzo @ 4.44
5 71.3% Croatian + 28.7% Greek @ 4.55
6 76.2% Croatian + 23.8% Italian_Abruzzo @ 4.59
7 52% Southwest_Russian + 48% Tuscan @ 4.6
8 58.3% Russian_Smolensk + 41.7% West_Sicilian @ 4.62
9 77.5% Croatian + 22.5% West_Sicilian @ 4.63
10 53.5% Croatian + 46.5% Bulgarian @ 4.67
11 51.2% Austrian + 48.8% Bulgarian @ 4.68
12 82.5% Croatian + 17.5% Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.74
13 68.3% Bulgarian + 31.7% Russian_Smolensk @ 4.77
14 68.7% Bulgarian + 31.3% Polish @ 4.8
15 71.6% Bulgarian + 28.4% Estonian_Polish @ 4.81
16 50.2% Estonian_Polish + 49.8% Tuscan @ 4.82
17 50.2% Polish + 49.8% Greek @ 4.84
18 80.6% Croatian + 19.4% South_Italian @ 4.93
19 50.5% Russian_Smolensk + 49.5% Greek @ 4.94
20 78.2% Croatian + 21.8% Central_Greek @ 4.95


https://i.imgur.com/f8B6pTg.png

https://i.imgur.com/ML3eum2.jpg

Impressive to see how many Lika Serbs both tested and uploaded their results on gedmatch! I think out of all the subregions Serbs live(d) in, we have the most examples from them. Yet, Lika itself never even had a particularly large number of ihabitants, they were less numerous than other Serbian groups, like Serbs from Kosovo who we almost know nothing about (autosomally).

[Babak]

We can claim Proto-Indo-Iranians though, who came from the heart of Europe, your language and Zorostrianism, which was first preached in the steppes of Southern Russia aka Airyanem Vaejah. Not less important, around 15% of the modern Iranian genome is North European-like.

Nah. You cant claim them either for the same reasons. Your history started much later.

[Kamal900]

Nah. You cant claim them either for the same reasons. Your history started much later.

A Slav who is culturally appropriating Aryan history and cultural heritage for "muh whyte rayce!".

[Leto]

A Slav who is culturally appropriating Aryan history and cultural heritage for "muh whyte rayce!".
And why do you care? For the record, neither you, nor Babak, nor Middle Easterners in general weren't even mentioned. So fuck off please.

[Leto]

Nah. You cant claim them either for the same reasons. Your history started much later.
I have pale skin, gray-blue eyes and light hair. Many Steppe people would have looked more like me than like you. But who was talking about Iranians anyway? Why the fuck did you even butt in to begin with?

[Leto]

A friendly reminder: it is a European cultural community and we can discuss European ancestry in all kinds of ethnicities. If Pashtuns derive 25% of their ancestry from Russian Steppes, why can't I discuss it?

[Kamal900]

And why do you care? For the record, neither you, nor Babak, nor Middle Easterners in general weren't even mentioned. So fuck off please.

Babak is ethnically Iranic which makes him Indo-Iranian or Aryan, and I really hate people who steal the cultural heritages from others for racial nationalism and so on. You're no different from Afrocentric lunatics in the US who claim that the ancient Egyptians and even the Arabs were Blacks. Stick to your own history and we'll stick to ours, thank you.

[Jana]

A friendly reminder: it is a European cultural community and we can discuss European ancestry in all kinds of ethnicities. If Pashtuns derive 25% of their ancestry from Russian Steppes, why can't I discuss it?

You can discuss Papuans as well, there is no need for some kind of connection to show curiosity about whatever interests you. That's why I didn't understand issue with Mingle, it's cool he is interested in SE Europe.

[Babak]

I have pale skin, gray-blue eyes and light hair. Many Steppe people would have looked more like me than like you. But who was talking about Iranians anyway? Why the fuck did you even butt in to begin with?

Doesn't matter what you look like. Just because you physically resembled them more doesn't mean you have the right to claim our history. Its just fucking retarded.

This is the reason why butted in even further:

"Europeans are well known explorers, they went to all corners of the world and described the aboriginals, so we have a right to talk about non-whites on a European forum"

^ This implies that you can claim Iranian history.

[Leto]

Babak is ethnically Iranic which makes him Indo-Iranian or Aryan, and I really hate people who steal the cultural heritages from others for racial nationalism and so on. You're no different from Afrocentric lunatics in the US who claim that the ancient Egyptians and even the Arabs were Blacks. Stick to your own history and we'll stick to ours, thank you.
I don't steal anything from anyone. I obviously don't consider myself "Aryan" or anything like that. In fact I'm not even a Slavic supremacist by any means. However I have some interest in Indo-European ancestry being an IE myself. Nobody even talked about "your history". In fact Iranian nationalists are not big fans of the Arabs who you identify with despite being a light Levantine and not a brown Ayrabian.

[Leto]

You can discuss Papuans as well, there is no need for some kind of connection to show curiosity about whatever interests you. That's why I didn't understand issue with Mingle, it's cool he is interested in SE Europe.
Well, no problem with him either but Pribislav told me he had attacked him despite not being from the Balkans or from Europe.

[Leto]

Doesn't matter what you look like. Just because you physically resembled them more doesn't mean you have the right to claim our history. Its just fucking retarded.

This is the reason why butted in even further:

"Europeans are well known explorers, they went to all corners of the world and described the aboriginals, so we have a right to talk about non-whites on a European forum"

^ This implies that you can claim Iranian history.
No, it doesn't. But some of your ancestry, actually a small part, did come from our side.
I like Persia actually but obviously that's not my culture by any means.

[Kamal900]

I don't steal anything from anyone. I obviously don't consider myself "Aryan" or anything like that. In fact I'm not even a Slavic supremacist by any means. However I have some interest in Indo-European ancestry being an IE myself. Nobody even talked about "your history". In fact Iranian nationalists are not big fans of the Arabs who you identify with despite being a light Levantine and not a brown Ayrabian.

You're insinuating the idea that Iranians are OWD buttlickers who are begging acceptance from Europeans and so on. Sorry, but most Iranians aren't like that, and Iranians have mostly beef against Arabians, not to us Levantines. Yeah? I'm Afro-Asiatic, and yet, you don't see me claiming the Chadic and the Cushtic peoples of Africa as my kin, no? Egyptians, both ancient and modern, are genetically very close to us Levantine and Arabian Semites despite them not being Semitic and Arabs themselves back in the day.

You stated that you can claim the Aryans as your own just because of their race and genetics alone which is no different from how Afrocentric Black nationalists like to claim that the ancient Egyptians was their ancestors and so on. Again, 7abiby, Iranians had existed long before your Slavic ancestors did, and you're genetically far more closer to other European groups like Germanic peoples than to Indo-Iranian or Aryan peoples of Asia. Bitch please. I myself am over 25% genetically neolithic Iranian, and my Arabian admixture is less than 9%. In fact, I'm more genetically Berber than Arabian.

[Leto]

You're insinuating the idea that Iranians are OWD buttlickers who are begging acceptance from Europeans and so on. Sorry, but most Iranians aren't like that, and Iranians have mostly beef against Arabians, not to us Levantines. Yeah? I'm Afro-Asiatic, and yet, you don't see me claiming the Chadic and the Cushtic peoples of Africa as my kin, no? Egyptians, both ancient and modern, are genetically very close to us Levantine and Arabian Semites despite them not being Semitic and Arabs themselves back in the day.

You stated that you can claim the Aryans as your own just because of their race and genetics alone which is no different from how Afrocentric Black nationalists like to claim that the ancient Egyptians was their ancestors and so on. Again, 7abiby, Iranians had existed long before your Slavic ancestors did, and you're genetically far more closer to other European groups like Germanic peoples than to Indo-Iranian or Aryan peoples of Asia. Bitch please. I myself am over 25% genetically neolithic Iranian, and my Arabian admixture is less than 9%. In fact, I'm more genetically Berber than Arabian.
Okay. There was no need to initiate this flame, was there? This topic is about Serbs, not Iranians or Arabs.
And I think some people do mis-characterize me. Not every thing I post is totally serious.

[Jana]

Well, no problem with him either but Pribislav told me he had attacked him despite not being from the Balkans or from Europe.

Pribislav is a troll, you should know that. :)

[Leto]

Pribislav is a troll, you should know that. :)
I don't think so. He is a Serb and interested almost exclusively in Serbian topics.

[Jana]

I don't think so. He is a Serb and interested almost exclusively in Serbian topics.

He is a troll who claims many ridiculous things and any Serbian poster who isn't ultra-nationalist will tell you the same.

[Token]

Nah. You cant claim them either for the same reasons. Your history started much later.

Yes we can. They were Europeans who migrated to Central Asia.

[Babak]

Yes we can. They were Europeans who migrated to Central Asia.

Nah you can't. Stick to your Slav history.

[Token]

Nah you can't. Stick to your Slav history.

Don't be jealous. At least you are like 20% Proto-Iranic, that is already something.

[Babak]

Don't be jealous. At least you are like 20% Proto-Iranic, that is already something.

Jealous of what? lol. The fact that Slavs had nothing to do with the ethno-genesis of Indo-Iranians?

[Leto]

Nah you can't. Stick to your Slav history.
He isn't Slavic, lol

[Leto]

You suckers shit bricks when I imply Ancient Russians founded your brown countries xD

[Leto]

Don't be jealous. At least you are like 20% Proto-Iranic, that is already something.
Yep. I claim Indian history because the higher the caste, the more of our ancestry :swl

[Leto]

Jealous of what? lol. The fact that Slavs had nothing to do with the ethno-genesis of Indo-Iranians?
Token is a Brazilian scholar, has nothing to do with the Slavs.

[Kyp]

Yes we can. They were Europeans who migrated to Central Asia.

It's pointless to claim anything imo. Yes PIE were more like Europeans, but the Indo-Europeans ancestral to Asian groups are not ancestral to Europeans. This is what matters. Proto Indo-Iranians shouldn't be "claimed" by Europeans as they are only the ancestors of Iranians and Central Asians etc.

[Leto]

It's pointless to claim anything imo. Yes PIE were more like Europeans, but the Indo-Europeans ancestral to Asian groups are not ancestral to Europeans. This is what matters. Proto Indo-Iranians shouldn't be "claimed" by Europeans as they are only the ancestors of Iranians and Central Asians etc.
Some people claim Zarathustra was born in Chelyabinsk oblast, Russia. That's where the Sintashta river flows. I hear some Russian "neo-Nazis" go there to reconnect with their supposed Aryan roots. Even swastikas are sold there xD
Larpers gonna larp.

[Babak]

You suckers shit bricks when I imply Ancient Russians founded your brown countries xD

The fuck are "Ancient russians"? Russians or as you put it "Ancient Russians" had nothing to do with Indo-Iranians nor with the formation of the Indo-Iranian identity. Most slavs, including Russians barely show any significant Scythian-like admix.

[Pribislav]

He is a troll who claims many ridiculous things and any Serbian poster who isn't ultra-nationalist will tell you the same.

Why you permanently trolling Serbs especially on this thread?

You admited here that your thread about high amount of East Meds among Serbs was trolling https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?313828-Serbian-Autosomal-DNA&p=6571543&viewfull=1#post6571543

[Leto]

The fuck are "Ancient russians"? Russians or as you put it "Ancient Russians" had nothing to do with Indo-Iranians nor with the formation of the Indo-Iranian identity. Most slavs, including Russians barely show any significant Scythian-like admix.
Well, I'm not being serious. You and Moody attacked me first and derailed the thread.
I am an Indo-European though, so I can talk about da Steppe :cool:

By the way, will we see your 23andme and Gedmatch any time soon?

[Jana]

Why you permanently trolling Serbs especially on this thread?

You admited here that your thread about high amount of East Meds among Serbs was trolling https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?313828-Serbian-Autosomal-DNA&p=6571543&viewfull=1#post6571543

Unlike you, I can admit trolling.

[Token]

Some people claim Zarathustra was born in Chelyabinsk oblast, Russia. That's where the Sintashta river flows. I hear some Russian "neo-Nazis" go there to reconnect with their supposed Aryan roots. Even swastikas are sold there xD
Larpers gonna larp.

It is generally agreed upon that Zarathustra was born in the South Russian steppes during the Iranian Heroic Age around 1500BC.

[knez01]

Hello, so I've noticed that this thread is very active so I would like to share my results if you don't mind. Basically I am majority Dalmatian and I suspect some Italian and Vlach influence due to the very high west med and low north atlantic I have, also plenty of croatized Italian surnames. I also have relatives on 23andme from Southern Italy(mainly Abruzzo), but since my Baltic is in the Croatian average I don't think I have much Italian ancestry. I have no Albanian or Greek ancestry, don't have and DNA relatives with them either so Arbanasi aren't a part of my ancestry. According to 23andme my ancestry comes from Dalmatia and border of Bosnia and Croatia(where my father is from) but almost all of that part of the family migrated from Dalmatia. Thank you and again, I know I am not Serbian by nationality so it isn't my place to post here.
https://www.forum.hr/showpost.php?p=78641359&postcount=27

[WeirdLookingFellow]

Hello, so I've noticed that this thread is very active so I would like to share my results if you don't mind. Basically I am majority Dalmatian and I suspect some Italian and Vlach influence due to the very high west med and low north atlantic I have, also plenty of croatized Italian surnames. I also have relatives on 23andme from Southern Italy(mainly Abruzzo), but since my Baltic is in the Croatian average I don't think I have much Italian ancestry. I have no Albanian or Greek ancestry, don't have and DNA relatives with them either so Arbanasi aren't a part of my ancestry. According to 23andme my ancestry comes from Dalmatia and border of Bosnia and Croatia(where my father is from) but almost all of that part of the family migrated from Dalmatia. Thank you and again, I know I am not Serbian by nationality so it isn't my place to post here.


Has there ever been cases of 34 Baltic and 19 NA like this? usually NA is higher.

[vbnetkhio]

Has there ever been cases of 34 Baltic and 19 NA like this? usually NA is higher.

there's a Herzegovina Croat with 36/19
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?313480-My-uncles-DNA-results&p=6464854&viewfull=1#post6464854

[vbnetkhio]

statistics from www.macure.net , k13 average is always similar on a sample larger than 10.
http://macure.net/Content/Images/Genetika/EUROGENES_%D0%9A13.jpg
http://macure.net/Content/Images/Genetika/EUROGENES_2-K15.jpg
http://macure.net/Content/Images/Genetika/DODECAD_K7b.jpg

[Leto]

Is there any known Serb with 21 percent West or East Med?

[Pribislav]

Is there any known Serb with 21 percent West or East Med?

I know one with 19.78% West Med. He score same West Med and North Atlantic.

[CommonSense]

Is there any known Serb with 21 percent West or East Med?

Here's a Bosnian Serb with 20 West Med: T267799

It's also a common ocurrence among people with roots from Montenegro.

[Leto]

Yeah, but I obviously meant OVER 20 percent. 21 and higher.

[knez01]

I still don't understand why do I have such low NA?
What could be the explanation, because vast majority of both Serbs and Croatians have much higher NA than me and a couple of people you have posted here.
Also, what is the explanation of high west med?

[Pribislav]

I still don't understand why do I have such low NA?
What could be the explanation, because vast majority of both Serbs and Croatians have much higher NA than me and a couple of people you have posted here.
Also, what is the explanation of high west med?

Croatians who are Italian admixed ofren score higher NA than Baltic. So, even Italian influence has no sense for your low NA score. Plus, Italian admixed Croatians score significant lower Baltic than you.

[knez01]

Croatians who are Italian admixed ofren score higher NA than Baltic. So, even Italian influence has no sense for your low NA score. Plus, Italian admixed Croatians score significant lower Baltic than you.

I know, that's what I am saying

[Jana]

Croatians who are Italian admixed ofren score higher NA than Baltic. So, even Italian influence has no sense for your low NA score. Plus, Italian admixed Croatians score significant lower Baltic than you.

His Italian is from southern Italy, so both west and east med and red sea should be elevated. But it's quite unusual how his Baltic score remained that high.
Almost looks like a very Slavic Croat with Sardinian shift, they score tons of west med.

[Pribislav]

His Italian is from southern Italy, so both west and east med and red sea should be elevated. But it's quite unusual how his Baltic score remained that high.
Almost looks like a very Slavic Croat with Sardinian shift, they score tons of west med.

Serb with very similar K13 as his is a full Serb.

[knez01]

Serb with very similar K13 as his is a full Serb.

I am quite certain I am partially southern Italian, my Zadar side of the family has Croatized Italian surnames
Also, even though I am, it's believe it is quite minimal and aren't Southern Italians quite east mediterranean oriented?

[Dušan]

Yeah, but I obviously meant OVER 20 percent. 21 and higher.

It is rare over 20%.
I got 18.56% WestMed and that is above our average.

[Pribislav]

I am quite certain I am partially southern Italian, my Zadar side of the family has Croatized Italian surnames
Also, even though I am, it's believe it is quite minimal and aren't Southern Italians quite east mediterranean oriented?

Yes, they are https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?223596-New-South-Italian-GEDmatch-results

[CommonSense]

I am quite certain I am partially southern Italian, my Zadar side of the family has Croatized Italian surnames
Also, even though I am, it's believe it is quite minimal and aren't Southern Italians quite east mediterranean oriented?

How many generatianos ago do those surnames start and are they on both sides on your family?

[Leto]

It is rare over 20%.
I got 18.56% WestMed and that is above our average.
But 20-21% East_Med is ok in Crna Gora, isn't it?

[Ljubic]

Hello, so I've noticed that this thread is very active so I would like to share my results if you don't mind. Basically I am majority Dalmatian and I suspect some Italian and Vlach influence due to the very high west med and low north atlantic I have, also plenty of croatized Italian surnames. I also have relatives on 23andme from Southern Italy(mainly Abruzzo), but since my Baltic is in the Croatian average I don't think I have much Italian ancestry. I have no Albanian or Greek ancestry, don't have and DNA relatives with them either so Arbanasi aren't a part of my ancestry. According to 23andme my ancestry comes from Dalmatia and border of Bosnia and Croatia(where my father is from) but almost all of that part of the family migrated from Dalmatia. Thank you and again, I know I am not Serbian by nationality so it isn't my place to post here.
https://www.forum.hr/showpost.php?p=78641359&postcount=27

Your Baltic remained high because Genetics work in a way, that you inherit random attributes of your parents. Your DNA only rarely ever will be a 50/50 mixture but a combination of also your Grandparents DNA.

[Pribislav]

But 20-21% East_Med is ok in Crna Gora, isn't it?

Montenegrin from Kuči tribe 96460

[Dušan]

But 20-21% East_Med is ok in Crna Gora, isn't it?

Among Serbs it is less than 20%, like westMed.
Maybe in Montenegro is a bit higher.

[knez01]

How many generatianos ago do those surnames start and are they on both sides on your family?

Some are from early 1700s, while some are even older
My mothers surname comes from a Dalmatian island at it was recorded in early 1600s but they migrated to Zadar and then the village my mother is from, they mixed with the locals who have extremely uncommon surnames for Dalmatia
They are more common in Croatian Zagorje and Ukraine/Slovakia than in Croatia in general, if you heard them first thing, you would think they were from Ukraine

[Insuperable]

That is too far to show in your Gedmatch results. Since you do have elevated West Med I think Zadar locals are somewhat collectively mixed with Italians. Idk, hard to tell anything.