Serbian Autosomal DNA

[Moje ime]

I had a dream in which appeared Pribislav and Dušan and many other Serbs (not from TA) a week ago, maybe I should share it in the lounge section. They wanted to kill me and my dog.

Too much forum.

[Jana]

Your dog, you mean Hrvoje?

:lol:

I mean my Maltese dog Rokica. One of Serbs (not Pribislav or Dušan) tried to put firecracker in his asshole (not joking), and than me and my mother killed him by kicking his head against toliet.

He came with his friends from Serbia for some festival (including Pribi and Dušan), and we ralised when they see he dissapeared thew will know we killed him and they will return seeking revenge.

He tried to rob our house too.

[Jana]

Too much forum.

True :thumb001:

[Pribislav]

:lol:

I mean my Maltese dog Rokica. One of Serbs (not Pribislav or Dušan) tried to put firecracker in his asshole (not joking), and than me and my mother killed him by kicking his head against toliet.

He came with his friends from Serbia for some festival (including Pribi and Dušan), and we ralised when they see he dissapeared thew will know we killed him and they will return seeking revenge.

He tried to rob our house too.

Woman head, kill me if I understand you point here. :confused:

[CommonSense]

I just follow logic. Serbian origin families who live in USA for generations are married for Serbs from various region or even for non-Serbs.
I mentioned my cousins in USA who are/were married for Serbs are mostly mixed with for Serbs from different region than their native region. My cousins who are/were married for non-Serbs married for Italians, Hungarians, Irish, Greeks and Austrians.

Yes, that's true. I'm sure however their descendants at least broadly know where their ancestors came from - that's how you learned about it, right? I know, if not always the exact, then the general location, where my great great grandparents were born even though I'm younger than the people in question here, with no access to archive records whatsoever.

[Moje ime]

Woman head
How that sounds funny in English. "Zenska glavo" :lol:

[Jana]

Woman head, kill me if I understand you point here. :confused:

I think I'm afraid from Serbs subconsciously.
Dream end how I escape from balcony while you guys are kicking on door of the flat to come and kill us to avenge your friend, my mom remained alone inside and tell me to escape, that she will try to stop you.

[CommonSense]

This has taken a bizarre turn...

[Leto]

I think I'm afraid from Serbs subconsciously.
Dream end how I escape from balcony while you guys are kicking on door of the flat to come and kill us to avenge your friend, my mom remained alone inside and tell me to escape, that she will try to stop you.
And where was Stears in that dream?

[Moje ime]

This has taken a bizarre turn...

An interesting one finally.

[Pribislav]

The only things that unite Dalmatian and NW kajkavian Croats are Catholicism and hate toward Serbs.
In all other things - genetics, phenotype, language, traditions... they are two different worlds.

Feiichy promoted Dalmatian and Herzegovinian Croatoans as the purest Croatians and descendants of "White Croatians", and for kaykavians she claimed they not related with "White Croatians" at all and they are other Slavs + Celts + Germanics.
Unfortunately for her, Dalmatians and Škutors are closer to general Serbian than to general Croatian average, and from kaykavians they are distant as earth from sky. :)

[knez01]

Feiichy promoted Dalmatian and Herzegovinian Croatoans as the purest Croatians and descendants of "White Croatians", and for kaykavians she claimed they not related with "White Croatians" at all and they are other Slavs + Celts + Germanics.
Unfortunately for her, Dalmatians and Škutors are closer to general Serbian than to general Croatian average, and from kaykavians they are distant as earth from sky. :)
And? Could it be that White Croatians were more similar to Serbs than to present day kajkavians?

[Ljubic]

Feiichy promoted Dalmatian and Herzegovinian Croatoans as the purest Croatians and descendants of "White Croatians", and for kaykavians she claimed they not related with "White Croatians" at all and they are other Slavs + Celts + Germanics.
Unfortunately for her, Dalmatians and Škutors are closer to general Serbian than to general Croatian average, and from kaykavians they are distant as earth from sky. :)

Do you think original Serbs were more med than white Croats? They propably were very similiar.
Of course Hercegovian and Dalmatian Croats are going to be more southern than their Northcroatian brethren because they mixed with more southern people when they arrived just as Serbs did. Have you looked at the latitude of mentioned regions? Mostar is just as northern as Northern Bulgaria and central Italy. More Med and low NA is not a Serb trademark.

[Jana]

And? Could it be that White Croatians were more similar to Serbs than to present day kajkavians?

White Croats were genetically like purer northern Slavs. White Serbs also.
Don't listen to that troll.

Serb average isn't weighted according to population size (for example Serbs from Serbia should be dominating in the average, because they are most numerous), neither they included south shifted Belgrade academic samples.

Southern Croats are not Serb like at all genetically. It's western Serbs who are Croat like, not the opposite.

[Jana]

And ofcourse, without cherrypicked or fake/nonverified samples western Serb average will plot more south than southern Croat one.

Which is visible in their physical look as well as 23andme scores.

[Pribislav]

And? Could it be that White Croatians were more similar to Serbs than to present day kajkavians?

Nobody claim Dinaric Croatians, I just say because Est. 1992 promote some genetic purity.
Serbs from SE Serbia (Shopluk) are probably closer to western Bulgarians (from most western part of Bulgaria) than to some other Serbs who are far away from them geographically, still Shopluk Serbs are not Bulgarians and they always were Serbs and not Bulgarians.

[Jana]

Do you think original Serbs were more med than white Croats? They propably were very similiar.
Of course Hercegovian and Dalmatian Croats are going to be more southern than their Northcroatian brethren because they mixed with more southern people when they arrived just as Serbs did. Have you looked at the latitude of mentioned regions? Mostar is just as northern as Northern Bulgaria and central Italy. More Med and low NA is not a Serb trademark.

Yes, Serbs have no native population in central Europe like Croats do.
Original Serbia was more southern land than original Croatia.

Oldest Serb population in Vojvodina came from deep Balkans, from Kosovo.

While Croats of NW and central Croatia are natives in the region since initial Slavic settlement, which is reflected in their scores. They never lived in Balkans or more south than where they live today.

[Jana]

Nobody claim Dinaric Croatians, I just say because Est. 1992 promote some genetic purity.
Serbs from SE Serbia (Shopluk) are probably closer to western Bulgarians (from most western part of Bulgaria) than to some other Serbs who are far away from them geographically, still Shopluk Serbs are not Bulgarians and they always were Serbs and not Bulgarians.

I don't promote any kind of ''purity'', but it is a historical fact white Croats settled in southern Croatia, not northern one. And user Ph2ter who is from Zagorje agrees with that.

[Dušan]

White Croats were genetically like purer northern Slavs. White Serbs also.
Don't listen to that troll.

Serb average isn't weighted according to population size (for example Serbs from Serbia should be dominating in the average, because they are most numerous), neither they included south shifted Belgrade academic samples.

Southern Croats are not Serb like at all genetically. It's western Serbs who are Croat like, not the opposite.

False.
The only difference between western and eastern Serb is tiny difference in proportion of Slavic vs paleo-Balkan percentage.
Western Serb average is 60% Slavic & 40% Paleo-Balkan, eastern Serb average is 55% Slavic & 45% paleo-Balkan.

60-40 vs 55-45. No difference.

We are very homogeneous people.


On the other side, Dalmatian Croat average is closer to Bulgarian, than to northern Croat average. :)

[Jana]

Uh huh

Distance to: Croat_Dalmatia

5.64093964 Croat_Zagreb
7.52746969 Croat_Central_Croatia
10.80925992 Bulgarian
10.86513691 Croat_Zagorje

[Pribislav]

:lol:

I mean my Maltese dog Rokica. One of Serbs (not Pribislav or Dušan) tried to put firecracker in his asshole (not joking), and than me and my mother killed him by kicking his head against toliet.

He came with his friends from Serbia for some festival (including Pribi and Dušan), and we ralised when they see he dissapeared thew will know we killed him and they will return seeking revenge.

He tried to rob our house too.

Oh, I see now, I was not concentrate when I read first time. In you dream Serbian crew was coming in your house to commits violence against you, your dog and your family, and there was no Stears to protect you! :lol:

Honestly, I laughed when I realise this post.
Serbs, Serbs, Serbs are everywhere, you are not even safe in your dreams becuase of Serbs... :rotfl:

[Jana]

Serbs <3

[CommonSense]

'Nevski' from poreklo.rs. Author of the famous y-dna predictor nevgen. His ancestry is from Old Montenegro and Šumadija:



Kit T039416

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 29.89
2 North_Atlantic 25.5
3 West_Med 18.55
4 East_Med 14.82
5 West_Asian 6.41
6 Red_Sea 2.59
7 Siberian 1.25
8 Oceanian 0.61
9 East_Asian 0.32
10 Northeast_African 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 4.54
2 Moldavian 6.89
3 Romanian 7.22
4 Croatian 8.5
5 Bulgarian 9.06
6 Hungarian 9.27
7 Austrian 12.3
8 East_German 13.41
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 14.81
10 South_Polish 15.51
11 Ukrainian 15.92
12 Greek_Thessaly 16.94
13 West_German 17.97
14 North_Italian 18.51
15 Polish 18.92
16 French 18.97
17 South_Dutch 19.23
18 Southwest_Russian 19.54
19 Ukrainian_Belgorod 20.08
20 Tuscan 20.3

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 56.2% Ukrainian + 43.8% Tuscan @ 2.79
2 51.3% Tuscan + 48.7% Estonian_Polish @ 2.85
3 60.5% Ukrainian + 39.5% West_Sicilian @ 2.9
4 56.8% Tuscan + 43.2% Lithuanian @ 3.08
5 51% Southwest_Russian + 49% Tuscan @ 3.1
6 58.1% Ukrainian_Lviv + 41.9% Tuscan @ 3.17
7 71.8% Croatian + 28.2% Tuscan @ 3.18
8 51% Tuscan + 49% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.19
9 75.3% Croatian + 24.7% West_Sicilian @ 3.23
10 80.9% Croatian + 19.1% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.41
11 62.4% Ukrainian_Lviv + 37.6% West_Sicilian @ 3.41
12 56.2% Polish + 43.8% West_Sicilian @ 3.46
13 53.1% Estonian_Polish + 46.9% West_Sicilian @ 3.47
14 81% Croatian + 19% Italian_Jewish @ 3.48
15 52.1% Tuscan + 47.9% Belorussian @ 3.52
16 68.3% Croatian + 31.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.59
17 52.5% West_Sicilian + 47.5% Lithuanian @ 3.62
18 50.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 49.7% Tuscan @ 3.65
19 75.8% Moldavian + 24.2% North_Italian @ 3.72
20 61.3% South_Polish + 38.7% West_Sicilian @ 3.76

[CommonSense]

Sremčević, father from Srem (Vojvodina), mother from western Serbia. One of the editors of poreklo.rs



Kit GK5493805

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 29.97
2 North_Atlantic 23.32
3 East_Med 18.63
4 West_Med 15.6
5 West_Asian 8.81
6 South_Asian 1.86
7 Siberian 1.27
8 Sub-Saharan 0.33
9 Amerindian 0.18
10 Red_Sea 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 5.6
2 Romanian 6.07
3 Bulgarian 7.04
4 Moldavian 8.05
5 Croatian 10.41
6 Hungarian 11.26
7 Austrian 15.21
8 Greek_Thessaly 15.33
9 East_German 16.39
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 16.45
11 South_Polish 16.99
12 Ukrainian 17.32
13 Southwest_Russian 19.99
14 North_Italian 20.12
15 Ukrainian_Belgorod 20.39
16 West_German 20.51
17 Polish 20.57
18 Tuscan 20.59
19 French 22
20 Italian_Abruzzo 22.03

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 56.8% Greek_Thessaly + 43.2% Southwest_Russian @ 3.13
2 78.4% Bulgarian + 21.6% Belorussian @ 3.13
3 60.4% Greek_Thessaly + 39.6% Belorussian @ 3.16
4 78% Bulgarian + 22% Estonian_Polish @ 3.17
5 58.5% Ukrainian + 41.5% Ashkenazi @ 3.2
6 75.9% Bulgarian + 24.1% Southwest_Russian @ 3.24
7 59.8% Greek_Thessaly + 40.2% Estonian_Polish @ 3.27
8 81.5% Bulgarian + 18.5% Lithuanian @ 3.29
9 81.3% Bulgarian + 18.7% Estonian @ 3.31
10 64.7% Greek_Thessaly + 35.3% Lithuanian @ 3.31
11 53.2% Greek_Thessaly + 46.8% Ukrainian @ 3.37
12 81.9% Bulgarian + 18.1% East_Finnish @ 3.39
13 73.4% Bulgarian + 26.6% Ukrainian @ 3.41
14 64.8% Ukrainian + 35.2% Italian_Jewish @ 3.42
15 59% South_Polish + 41% Ashkenazi @ 3.45
16 78.2% Bulgarian + 21.8% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.45
17 54.3% Estonian_Polish + 45.7% South_Italian @ 3.47
18 64.4% Greek_Thessaly + 35.6% Estonian @ 3.49
19 73.1% Bulgarian + 26.9% South_Polish @ 3.5
20 79.6% Bulgarian + 20.4% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.5



His parents' results:



Kit NR9366483

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 31.16
2 North_Atlantic 22.71
3 East_Med 20.39
4 West_Med 15.41
5 West_Asian 7.7
6 Red_Sea 1.58
7 East_Asian 0.61
8 Sub-Saharan 0.23
9 South_Asian 0.21
10 Amerindian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 6.81
2 Romanian 7.38
3 Bulgarian 7.72
4 Moldavian 9.3
5 Croatian 11.15
6 Hungarian 12.42
7 Greek_Thessaly 15.56
8 Austrian 16.39
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 16.93
10 South_Polish 17.49
11 East_German 17.56
12 Ukrainian 17.73
13 Southwest_Russian 20.13
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 20.56
15 Polish 20.84
16 North_Italian 20.98
17 Tuscan 21.07
18 West_German 21.89
19 Russian_Smolensk 22.34
20 Italian_Abruzzo 22.44

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 57.5% Ukrainian + 42.5% Ashkenazi @ 3.38
2 53.1% Lithuanian + 46.9% Italian_Jewish @ 3.5
3 53.8% Ashkenazi + 46.2% Lithuanian @ 3.57
4 51.4% Estonian_Polish + 48.6% Ashkenazi @ 3.6
5 58.2% Estonian_Polish + 41.8% Italian_Jewish @ 3.6
6 50.9% Belorussian + 49.1% Ashkenazi @ 3.66
7 51.7% Russian_Smolensk + 48.3% Ashkenazi @ 3.69
8 60.1% Greek_Thessaly + 39.9% Belorussian @ 3.7
9 61% Southwest_Russian + 39% Italian_Jewish @ 3.7
10 57.7% Belorussian + 42.3% Italian_Jewish @ 3.77
11 64.1% Ukrainian + 35.9% Italian_Jewish @ 3.78
12 53.4% Polish + 46.6% Ashkenazi @ 3.79
13 58.4% Russian_Smolensk + 41.6% Italian_Jewish @ 3.81
14 57.7% Belorussian + 42.3% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.86
15 58% South_Polish + 42% Ashkenazi @ 3.86
16 53.9% Belorussian + 46.1% South_Italian @ 3.92
17 54.3% Southwest_Russian + 45.7% Ashkenazi @ 3.94
18 59.6% Greek_Thessaly + 40.4% Estonian_Polish @ 3.95
19 64.5% Greek_Thessaly + 35.5% Lithuanian @ 3.97
20 53.1% Lithuanian + 46.9% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.01





Kit CB3117910

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 28.82
2 North_Atlantic 26.08
3 East_Med 17.43
4 West_Med 15.39
5 West_Asian 8.77
6 Siberian 1.32
7 South_Asian 1.2
8 Red_Sea 0.68
9 Amerindian 0.32

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 3.15
2 Romanian 5.19
3 Bulgarian 7.32
4 Moldavian 7.64
5 Hungarian 9.06
6 Croatian 9.62
7 Austrian 12.66
8 East_German 14.13
9 Greek_Thessaly 15.66
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 15.99
11 South_Polish 16.23
12 Ukrainian 17
13 West_German 17.71
14 North_Italian 18.63
15 South_Dutch 19.29
16 French 19.3
17 Tuscan 19.68
18 Polish 19.98
19 Southwest_Russian 20.05
20 Ukrainian_Belgorod 20.44

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 77.5% Bulgarian + 22.5% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.2
2 62.5% South_Polish + 37.5% South_Italian @ 2.41
3 83.2% Romanian + 16.8% Belorussian @ 2.42
4 50.9% Greek_Thessaly + 49.1% South_Polish @ 2.43
5 85.3% Romanian + 14.7% Estonian @ 2.47
6 83.1% Romanian + 16.9% Estonian_Polish @ 2.54
7 66.4% South_Polish + 33.6% Italian_Jewish @ 2.55
8 78% Romanian + 22% South_Polish @ 2.56
9 85.4% Romanian + 14.6% Finnish @ 2.59
10 55.9% Bulgarian + 44.1% Hungarian @ 2.6
11 86% Romanian + 14% Lithuanian @ 2.63
12 86% Romanian + 14% East_Finnish @ 2.65
13 79.1% Romanian + 20.9% Ukrainian @ 2.69
14 81.8% Romanian + 18.2% Southwest_Russian @ 2.69
15 84.4% Romanian + 15.6% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.7
16 79.4% Bulgarian + 20.6% Finnish @ 2.72
17 63.2% Greek_Thessaly + 36.8% Estonian @ 2.72
18 50.5% Tuscan + 49.5% Southwest_Russian @ 2.74
19 81.8% Romanian + 18.2% Polish @ 2.74
20 50.2% Estonian + 49.8% South_Italian @ 2.75

[Pribislav]

Mileva Tripić, Serbian woman from Podrinje (East Bosnia) 98065

[Pribislav]

double

[Pribislav]

Serb from East Bosnia, surname Govedarica 98067

Surname Govedarica is originally from Montenegro. In parts of East Bosnia large part of population originated from Montenegro (18th and 19th century migrations).

[Pribislav]

....

[Bosniensis]

Serb from East Bosnia, surname Govedarica 98067

Surname Govedarica is originally from Montenegro. In parts of East Bosnia large part of population originated from Montenegro (18th and 19th century migrations).

ydna?

those are not slavs, obviously...

[Pribislav]

ydna?

those are not slavs, obviously...

I think Govedarica are R1a. The Devil's Advocate know for sure.

Bodiroga woman is more southern.
Bodiroga from Trebinje area are some kind of eastern R1b. I heard that somewhere.

[Pribislav]

...

This is Bodiroga 98068

Maybe she is Montenegrin admixed...

[Pribislav]

Two Kosovo Serbs from Grabovac near Zvečan.

98079

98080

[Leto]

Two Kosovo Serbs from Grabovac near Zvečan.

98079

98080
I would expect Kosovo Serbs to be more Paleo-Balkan/Albanic-shifted.

[Pribislav]

I would expect Kosovo Serbs to be more Paleo-Balkan/Albanic-shifted.

Third Kosovo Serb 98081

He is from Vučitrn (northern Kosovo as previous two).

[CommonSense]

Third Kosovo Serb 98081

He is from Vučitrn (northern Kosovo as previous two).

Vučitrn isn't considered northern Kosovo, although geographically it would be. Only northern part of Kosovska Mitrovica, as well as Zubin Potok, Leposavić and Zvečan fall into the category.

[Pribislav]

Serb from Gornji Milanovac (Šumadija - central Serbia) 98082

[Pribislav]

Vučitrn isn't considered northern Kosovo, although geographically it would be. Only northern part of Kosovska Mitrovica, as well as Zubin Potok, Leposavić and Zvečan fall into the category.

I meant gepgraphically.

Vučitrn municipality on map of Kosovo 98083

[Pribislav]

Bosnian Serb (not sure from which part of Bosnia), surname Radovanović 98084

[CommonSense]

Vbnetkhio started emailing owners of kits registered under Serbo-Croatian surnames in order to obtain info about their ancestry. He succeeded in geting some new samples with that method, so he updated the existing Serbian averages accordingly. I'm posting this on his behalf:

https://i.ibb.co/qNQX17W/image.png


The regional averages (Serb_Serbia, Serb_B&H, Serb_Croatia) were formed by joining the samples of their respective subregions together with the samples of individuals who have ancestry from two or more subregions within one country. And, to create the general Serbian average, all of them were combined with the results of Serbs who either didn't specify their ancestral location or simply have regionally mixed ancestry. Montenegro doesn't have enough samples to be divded into subregions.

[Leto]

Good stuff. Lukasz has not been responding lately, I sent him some averages a few days ago.

[Pribislav]

Vbnetkhio started emailing owners of kits registered under Serbo-Croatian surnames in order to obtain info about their ancestry. He succeeded in geting some new samples with that method, so he updated the existing Serbian averages accordingly. I'm posting this on his behalf:

https://i.ibb.co/qNQX17W/image.png


The regional averages (Serb_Serbia, Serb_B&H, Serb_Croatia) were formed by joining the samples of their respective subregions together with the samples of individuals who have ancestry from two or more subregions within one country. And, to create the general Serbian average, all of them were combined with the results of Serbs who either didn't specify their ancestral location or simply have regionally mixed ancestry. Montenegro doesn't have enough samples to be divded into subregions.

29.53 Baltic is average for Dalmatian Serbs posted by vbnetkhio on page 57. Dalmatian+Lika Serbs can't have 29.53, because Lika Serbs have higher Baltic (posted by vbnetkhio on page 55) than Dalmatian Serbs.
I have two new Dalmatian Serb kits which are not included in vbnetkhio's average from page 57.

[Leto]

Why are Pribislav and Dushan fighting over 1% Baltic? 30 or 31% - what's the difference? In the grand scheme of things that doesn't freaking matter since any average is going to be based only on a limited number of samples, be it 10 or 100 (out of like 7 million Serbs).

[Pribislav]

Why are Pribislav and Dushan fighting over 1% Baltic? 30 or 31% - what's the difference? In the grand scheme of things that doesn't freaking matter since any average is going to be based only on a limited number of samples, be it 10 or 100 (out of like 7 million Serbs).

Lika Serb average is for sure over 31% Baltic. I have seen tons of their results, they have clearly higher Baltic than Serbian average but little lower NA. I showed here kits of Lika and Banija Serb who are ignored by vbnetkhio, probably because they are too much northern shifted for his taste.
Lika and Dalmatian Serbs are not twins to be together, they are from two different regions with clearly defined borders.

[CommonSense]

29.53 Baltic is average for Dalmatian Serbs posted by vbnetkhio on page 57. Dalmatian+Lika Serbs can't have 29.53, because Lika Serbs have higher Baltic (posted by vbnetkhio on page 55) than Dalmatian Serbs.
I have two new Dalmatian Serb kits which are not included in vbnetkhio's average from page 57.

He told me that the avearges he had for Lika were already similar to Dalmatia and that it didn't change much when he combined them together and neither when he reinforced them with new samples.

[Pribislav]

He told me that the avearges he had for Lika were already similar to Dalmatia and that it didn't change much when he combined them together and neither when he reinforced them with new samples.

Average for Lika Serb without Zubović was 31.45, check on page 55.

[CommonSense]

Average for Lika Serb without Zubović was 31.45, check on page 55.

Yes, on page 55 he did indeed post a couple of provisional averages, but pretty soon he made new ones stating that he had removed the results of people whose ancestry he can't confirm in any way.

[Pribislav]

Yes, on page 55 he did indeed post a couple of provisional averages, but pretty soon he made new ones stating that he had removed the results of people whose ancestry he can't confirm in any way.

To fell from 31.45 on 29.53 necessary many Montenegrin like Baltic score. 2% is huge difference when sample is 20 or 30.

There is no answer why some results are ignored, this guy is Lika Serb and his result is not in average 98088

[CommonSense]

To fell from 31.45 on 29.53 necessary many Montenegrin like Baltic score. 2% is huge difference when sample is 20 or 30.

There is no answer why some results are ignored, this guy is Lika Serb and his result is not in average 98088

That man is paternally a Serb from Lika for sure. However, we don't know his full origins, that's the problem. Out of that family he only included the results of Petar because I match him myself and the uploader left data about his grandparents. The two of them are closely related, but not that close - shared DNA is like between 2nd cousins. If it makes you feel better I recommended vbnetkhio to message the owner of those kits so we can clear things up. The email seems to be genealogy dedicated meaning he should at least get a reply.

[Terminator98]

Kinda off topic question for Serbian members: since my maternal side is 1/2 Lika Serbs and 1/2 Dalmatia Hinterland Serbs, paternal side is 1/2 East Herzegovina Serbs and 1/2 West Hercegovina Croats, what should I expect from my Baltic and North Atlantic score, I mean if there is any significant difference between regions. :rolleyes:

[Bosniensis]

Average for Lika Serb without Zubović was 31.45, check on page 55.

Serbs are 35% Med, 30% Baltic, 25% North Atlantic and 8% West Asian

Chaotic admixture.

[Lucas]

Some Serbian from Tuzla send me those results. You can test.

single

Tuzla_Serbian,26.40,31.98,15.45,7.09,13.29,2.51,1. 88,0.11,1.30,0,0,0,0


Averages


Bosanska_Krajina_Serb,25.93,31.03,16.39,8.57,14.33 ,1.21,0.65,0.34,0.64,0.37,0.43,0.03,0.08
Opšti_prosek_BiH_Serb,25.29,31,16.64,8.32,14.67,1. 43,0.70,0.38,0.71,0.37,0.36,0.05,0.08
Šumadija_Serb,25.01,29.50,17.41,8.87,15.72,1.04,0. 47,0.35,0.75,0.58,0.24,0.05,0.01
Dalmatia_Serb,25.66,30.16,16.58,8.59,15.52,1.25,0. 58,0.07,0.65,0.47,0.35,0.06,0.05
Banija_Serb,26.01,32.31,16.17,9.01,13.04,1.20,0.54 ,0.24,0.62,0.44,0.30,0.09,0.03
Kordun_Serb,27.87,30.22,16.20,8.16,13.97,1.41,0.93 ,0.19,0.55,0.08,0.26,0.06,0.09
Serb_Serbia,24.77,29.72,16.87,8.91,15.98,1.30,0.69 ,0.25,0.61,0.49,0.27,0.04,0.09
Lika_Serb,24.63,31.53,17.16,7.93,14.54,1.75,0.72,0 .31,0.57,0.41,0.36,0.03,0.05
Vojvodina_Serb,25.01,30.28,15.84,9.19,15.57,1.28,0 .85,0.39,0.45,0.38,0.45,0.09,0.21
Krajina_Serb,25.49,31.34,16.65,8.68,14.14,1.44,0.6 0,0.24,0.61,0.40,0.31,0.06,0.04
Serb_Montenegro,24.97,26.61,18.05,9.72,16.64,1.93, 0.24,0.31,0.57,0.56,0.22,0.13,0.05

[Lucas]

Some Serbian from Tuzla send me those results. You can test.
I think all are individuals.



Tuzla_Serbian,26.40,31.98,15.45,7.09,13.29,2.51,1. 88,0.11,1.30,0,0,0,0
Bosanska_Krajina_Serb,25.93,31.03,16.39,8.57,14.33 ,1.21,0.65,0.34,0.64,0.37,0.43,0.03,0.08
Opšti_prosek_BiH_Serb,25.29,31,16.64,8.32,14.67,1. 43,0.70,0.38,0.71,0.37,0.36,0.05,0.08
Šumadija_Serb,25.01,29.50,17.41,8.87,15.72,1.04,0. 47,0.35,0.75,0.58,0.24,0.05,0.01
Dalmatia_Serb,25.66,30.16,16.58,8.59,15.52,1.25,0. 58,0.07,0.65,0.47,0.35,0.06,0.05
Banija_Serb,26.01,32.31,16.17,9.01,13.04,1.20,0.54 ,0.24,0.62,0.44,0.30,0.09,0.03
Kordun_Serb,27.87,30.22,16.20,8.16,13.97,1.41,0.93 ,0.19,0.55,0.08,0.26,0.06,0.09
Serb_Serbia,24.77,29.72,16.87,8.91,15.98,1.30,0.69 ,0.25,0.61,0.49,0.27,0.04,0.09
Lika_Serb,24.63,31.53,17.16,7.93,14.54,1.75,0.72,0 .31,0.57,0.41,0.36,0.03,0.05
Vojvodina_Serb,25.01,30.28,15.84,9.19,15.57,1.28,0 .85,0.39,0.45,0.38,0.45,0.09,0.21
Krajina_Serb,25.49,31.34,16.65,8.68,14.14,1.44,0.6 0,0.24,0.61,0.40,0.31,0.06,0.04
Serb_Montenegro,24.97,26.61,18.05,9.72,16.64,1.93, 0.24,0.31,0.57,0.56,0.22,0.13,0.05



EDIT, those are averages from Serbian DNA Project members. Samples were 26 to 73 tested for each region

Bosanska Krajina 17
Opšti BiH Serb prosek 43
Vojna krajina 76
Banija 26
Dalmacija 15
Kordun 6
Vojvodjna 7
Sumadija 11
Serbian_Monenegro 36
Lika 26
Srbi srbija 47

[Jana]

EDIT, those are averages from Serbian DNA Project members. Samples were 26 to 73 tested for each region

Made by HungryLion, guy who was caught posting made up kits to make himself less of an outlier.
They are very innacurate, to put it politelly.

His Serbs from Croatia averages are more northern than native Croats, laughable.

[Leto]

Feiichy can't help but comment on Serbian genetics xD
Because of that bullshit vbnetkhio doesn't feel like posting anymore...

[Jana]

Feiichy can't help but comment on Serbian genetics xD
Because of that bullshit vbnetkhio doesn't feel like posting anymore...

No, he doesn't, idiot. I trust his averages, not this crap posted above.
He doesn't post anymore because of Serbs with OWD who criticised his work.

Serbs from Croatia are not like Croats, especially not more northern than them.
It's a sick fucking lie.

I don't care for complexes of guys like that clown HungryLion.
Or Pribislav.

And I saw their bitching about me on their pathetic little webpage.

They should wake up from their fantasies.

[Leonardotz]

No, he doesn't, idiot. I trust his averages, not this crap posted above.
He doesn't post anymore because of Serbs with OWD who criticised his work.

Serbs from Croatia are not like Croats, especially not more northern than them.
It's a sick fucking lie.

I don't care for complexes of guys like that clown HungryLion.
Or Pribislav.

And I saw their bitching about me on their pathetic little webpage.

They should wake up from their fantasies.
These are my results that I did from the Serbian DNA Project. I've never been to this forum. I just registered. What's the problem?

[Maintenance]

xD

[Ford]

Kinda off topic question for Serbian members: since my maternal side is 1/2 Lika Serbs and 1/2 Dalmatia Hinterland Serbs, paternal side is 1/2 East Herzegovina Serbs and 1/2 West Hercegovina Croats, what should I expect from my Baltic and North Atlantic score, I mean if there is any significant difference between regions. :rolleyes:

I'd guess similar to my results - 32 Baltic, 26 North Atlantic.

[vbnetkhio]

These are my results that I did from the Serbian DNA Project. I've never been to this forum. I just registered. What's the problem?

The problem is you and your troll team posted fake results too many times. Here, in case anybody forgot about this:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?299002-South-Slavic-amp-neighbours-Eurogenes-results&p=6388137&viewfull=1#post6388137

I didn't want to call you out for this, because i though you would stop after being found out once.

yet you countinued, just compare the Red sea in k13 and north atlantic in k36:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?313828-Serbian-Autosomal-DNA&p=6553189&viewfull=1#post6553189
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?313828-Serbian-Autosomal-DNA&p=6563323&viewfull=1#post6563323

Also, those kits Pribislav posted in the last few weeks don't have 100% ancestry from the regions he claimed they do.
Even if you started properly finding your samples today, i still wouldn't trust anything from you for a long time.

Also, you are not "from the Serbian DNA Project". The Serbian Dna Project are serious researchers, and they are focused exclusively on Y-DNA haplogroups.

[Terminator98]

I'd guess similar to my results - 32 Baltic, 26 North Atlantic.

It will be intersting if it turns out that I am more Northern shifted than average since I don't look Northern in any case (olive skin, amber eyes, black hair). xD

[Ford]

It will be intersting if it turns out that I am more Northern shifted than average since I don't look Northern in any case (olive skin, amber eyes, black hair). xD

Well, I'm kinda northern shifted yet I'm swarthy as fuck xD

[Ion Basescul]

Vbnetkhio started emailing owners of kits registered under Serbo-Croatian surnames in order to obtain info about their ancestry. He succeeded in geting some new samples with that method, so he updated the existing Serbian averages accordingly. I'm posting this on his behalf:

https://i.ibb.co/qNQX17W/image.png


The regional averages (Serb_Serbia, Serb_B&H, Serb_Croatia) were formed by joining the samples of their respective subregions together with the samples of individuals who have ancestry from two or more subregions within one country. And, to create the general Serbian average, all of them were combined with the results of Serbs who either didn't specify their ancestral location or simply have regionally mixed ancestry. Montenegro doesn't have enough samples to be divded into subregions.

Why even bother showing the "samples" colum if numbers don't add up to the total? Now I'm just suspicious instead of enjoying the data.

[CommonSense]

Why even bother showing the "samples" colum if numbers don't add up to the total? Now I'm just suspicious instead of enjoying the data.

I literally explained everything in the comment you quoted - subregional averages are combined to create a regional one, but not only them. Vbnetkhio didn't create an average specifically for Serbs who, for example, have one ancestor from Central Serbia and the other from Vojvodina. That would be pointless. But a person like that is obviously counted for the average of Serb_Serbia.

[vbnetkhio]

Why even bother showing the "samples" colum if numbers don't add up to the total? Now I'm just suspicious instead of enjoying the data.

The country averages include regionally mixed people, e.g. half West Serbian, half East Serbian. :rolleyes:

[Jana]

These are my results that I did from the Serbian DNA Project. I've never been to this forum. I just registered. What's the problem?

We know who is behind this, and tell that retard Croatian averages remaining are Academic ones and I had all my averages removed because I don't want them in same calculator with trash he is creating. :) Have a nice day.

Also, tell that dog to stop lying, we already know he is pathological case.

[Jana]

What kind of imbecile you have to be to spread lies like this?


Inače za klaster Hrvata iz zapadne hercegovine je probrano nekih 32 koje niko nije videio ;D

I dođe Hrvat iz Hercegovine i postavi 12 Hrvata autentičnih iz hercegovine koje ta šizofreničarka nije računala, i pita je štp ove nisi isto stavila. Valjda zato što su bili oko crnogorskog/srpskog proseka, da joj ne kvari fantaziju.

...

Lol, kakav bolesnik.
Koji je to Hrvat postavio 12 Hrvata koji nisu dodani? Bolesnik. Dakle ovo je mrtav hladan izmislio.
Insuperable mi je dao dva uzorka, i oba su dodani. Ostali su miks akademskih uzoraka i onih sa gedmatcha od kojih imamo kit number i regionalno porijeklo od svakog, ima ih i Moro, a bome i Peterski.

Ovaj smrad namjerno laže i pokušava predstaviti Srbima na ''Poreklu'' da je akademski uzorak za Hrvate iz Hercegovine nekakva prevara, a idiot ne kuži da ti uzorci nemaju veze sa mojima koji su napominjem još jednom bili čak i nešto južniji.

Glup je kao kurac i pokvaren. Ponavljam, smeće.I očito besraman, kada ga ni činjenica da je uhvaćen u krivotvorenju rezultata nepostoječih Srba sa Banije i
Korduna nije obeshrabrila.

Bljak.

[vbnetkhio]

What kind of imbecile you have to be to spread lies like this?



...

Lol, kakav bolesnik.
Koji je to Hrvat postavio 12 Hrvata koji nisu dodani? Bolesnik. Dakle ovo je mrtav hladan izmislio.
Insuperable mi je dao dva uzorka, i oba su dodani. Ostali su miks akademskih uzoraka i onih sa gedmatcha od kojih imamo kit number i regionalno porijeklo od svakog, ima ih i Moro, a bome i Peterski.

Ovaj smrad namjerno laže i pokušava predstaviti Srbima na ''Poreklu'' da je akademski uzorak za Hrvate iz Hercegovine nekakva prevara, a idiot ne kuži da ti uzorci nemaju veze sa mojima koji su napominjem još jednom bili čak i nešto južniji.

Glup je kao kurac i pokvaren. Ponavljam, smeće.I očito besraman, kada ga ni činjenica da je uhvaćen u krivotvorenju rezultata nepostoječih Srba sa Banije i
Korduna nije obeshrabrila.

Bljak.

This is the post that started it all:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?313828-Serbian-Autosomal-DNA&p=6639575&viewfull=1#post6639575

He and his team felt threatened and offended just because i mentioned kits with confirmed ancestry. i originally posted this just as a curiosity, i hadn't even completely disregarded his and Pribi's results back then. But then the "attack" started.

[Ion Basescul]

I literally explained everything in the comment you quoted - subregional averages are combined to create a regional one, but not only them. Vbnetkhio didn't create an average specifically for Serbs who, for example, have one ancestor from Central Serbia and the other from Vojvodina. That would be pointless. But a person like that is obviously counted for the average of Serb_Serbia.

Yeah, I should have read that.

[Terminator98]

People here fight over 1-2℅ of more or less baltic component, tragicomical. xD

[Ljubic]

People here fight over 1-2℅ of more or less baltic component, tragicomical. xD

It is shit but forging results just because of low selfesteem is much shittier. These fools put Serbs on this Forum in a bad light.

[Terminator98]

It is shit but forging results just because of low selfesteem is much shittier. These fools put Serbs on this Forum in a bad light.

I am not familiar with background of this story but doing that is simply pathetic (no matter who and which side), it's on the level with who is whiter/blonder threads, meaningless and pointless, there are outliners anyway (people who are well above/bellow average) so I don't see the purpose of identifying with the whole nation, it seems that individualism is dead on Balkan and everything is about country/nation (I haven't noticed that among other people except Balkaners about everything and South Europeans when it comes to pigmentation and hair color).

[Leto]

Did Pribislav leave the forum?

[MoroLP]

Did Pribislav leave the forum?

They returned to the Serbian "forum.poreklo.rs" where are active posting on the thread "Eurogenes K13 Autosomalna genetika Srba Banije, Korduna i ostalih srpskih predela (https://forum.poreklo.rs/index.php?topic=5197.0)". The "barbarylion" (Pribislav?) and "Душан" (Dušan), mainly "barbarylion", didn't have nice words about what happened here, speaking about some anti-Serbian propaganda, that those Serbs posting here don't have a clue about genetics, mocked the and that Croatian averages got removed and twisting facts how the events went by, acting as if have some victim complex and so on. Strange people.

[vbnetkhio]

They returned to the Serbian "forum.poreklo.rs" where are active posting on the thread "Eurogenes K13 Autosomalna genetika Srba Banije, Korduna i ostalih srpskih predela (https://forum.poreklo.rs/index.php?topic=5197.0)". The "barbarylion" (Pribislav) and "Душан" (Dušan), mainly "barbarylion", didn't have nice words about what happened here, speaking about some anti-Serbian propaganda, that those Serbs posting here don't have a clue about genetics, mocked the and that Croatian averages got removed and twisting facts how the events went by, acting as if have some victim complex and so on. Strange people.

i am aware of this. the worst thing is they are misleading those people on the Serbian forums. they are presenting their "averages", or "clusters" as they call them, as the ultimate truth.
They are also obsessed with that Slavic/Paleo-Balkan/Celto-Germanic Vahaduo calculator which somebody on this forum made for fun. they are using it to prove who has more or less Slavic genetics, or that the "Albanians are 0% Celto-Germanic", etc.

[CommonSense]

They returned to the Serbian "forum.poreklo.rs" where are active posting on the thread "Eurogenes K13 Autosomalna genetika Srba Banije, Korduna i ostalih srpskih predela (https://forum.poreklo.rs/index.php?topic=5197.0)". The "barbarylion" (Pribislav) and "Душан" (Dušan), mainly "barbarylion", didn't have nice words about what happened here, speaking about some anti-Serbian propaganda, that those Serbs posting here don't have a clue about genetics, mocked the and that Croatian averages got removed and twisting facts how the events went by, acting as if have some victim complex and so on. Strange people.

That's not the alias of Pribislav, but of HungryLion. A guy that is downright obssesed with proving that Serbs his own region, Banija, have the most proto-Slavic or proto-Serbian heritage of all. Some time ago he forged several results presenting them as random Serbian individuals from Banija, Kordun and other places and gave them to Pribislav who then shared them on TA and other forums.
Funny thing is, apart from the obvious hypocrisy that a dude like that is calling others fake, he never shared his own results properly either. Not only have we never seen his kit number, but he never showed the oracles for a single one of the gedmatch calculators either. Literally the only thing we know about his results are his components and even that's not always consistent - the Eurogenes K15 he originally shared is different from the Eurogenes K15 he claims to be his today :)

[MoroLP]

That's not the alias of Pribislav, but of HungryLion...

Then my mistake, I am not familiar with them, but if am not wrong we are speaking about 3 guys or accounts (maybe one sock).

[CommonSense]

Then my mistake, I am not familiar with them, but if am not wrong we are speaking about 3 guys or accounts (maybe one sock).

Yes, three people in total although Pribislav hasn't been active on poreklo for a long time. And Dušan only supports them because the cherrypicked avearges are a better fit for his own results, although, to be frank, the difference is marginal. Plus he had nothing to do with that story of the forged results, so let's not give people the wrong impression.

[Ford]

That's not the alias of Pribislav, but of HungryLion. A guy that is downright obssesed with proving that Serbs his own region, Banija, have the most proto-Slavic or proto-Serbian heritage of all. Some time ago he forged several results presenting them as random Serbian individuals from Banija, Kordun and other places and gave them to Pribislav who then shared them on TA and other forums.
Funny thing is, apart from the obvious hypocrisy that a dude like that is calling others fake, he never shared his own results properly either. Not only have we never seen his kit number, but he never showed the oracles for a single one of the gedmatch calculators either. Literally the only thing we know about his results are his components and even that's not always consistent - the Eurogenes K15 he originally shared is different from the Eurogenes K15 he claims to be his today :)

His results aren't even that exceptionally Slavic if I remember correctly. Would make more sense if his Baltic was high but it's actually some Germanic ancestry pulling him further "North".

[MoroLP]

Yes, three people in total although Pribislav hasn't been active on poreklo for a long time. And Dušan only supports them because the cherrypicked avearges are a better fit for his own results, although, to be frank, the difference is marginal. Plus he had nothing to do with that story of the forged results, so let's not give people the wrong impression.

Thank you for explanation.

[CommonSense]

His results aren't even that exceptionally Slavic if I remember correctly. Would make more sense if his Baltic was high but it's actually some Germanic ancestry pulling him further "North".

Right, he scores more Baltic than average, but still far from any extreme. However, practically all Serbs I've seen that have elevated Baltic, also have normal or lowered North Atlantic aka Celto-Germanic ancestry. This unavoidably makes him fall into the Zagreb cluster, no matter how many averages he makes.
But, again, whether those results are even legitimate is another story. Of course, I didn't doubt them at first, since I'd never seen any Serb or Balkanite attempt to fake gedmatch results, but today I notice things that I didn't before. If, for example, you go to the FTDNA thread on poreklo, you'll see that once he received his results from the company, the first gedmatch calcutor scores he shared weren't even screenshoted or copied, but typed out !? And not for a single one did he provide an oracle, apart from the K13 which Kaspias gave him on TA based on the components he posted.

[CommonSense]

Here's an interesting find!

Results of Srđan Mazalica, Serbian politician. Ancestry from Bosanska Krajina:



https://www.rtrs.tv/_FOTO/nwz/1320/132052.jpg





Kit T637162

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 29.08
2 North_Atlantic 21.29
3 East_Med 18.07
4 West_Med 17.03
5 West_Asian 9.48
6 Amerindian 1.51
7 South_Asian 1.46
8 Red_Sea 1.13
9 Oceanian 0.86
10 East_Asian 0.1

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 5.49
2 Bulgarian 5.65
3 Serbian 6.34
4 Moldavian 8.5
5 Croatian 11.31
6 Hungarian 12.81
7 Greek_Thessaly 13.88
8 Austrian 16.57
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 17.41
10 East_German 17.78
11 South_Polish 18.45
12 Ukrainian 18.49
13 North_Italian 19.67
14 Tuscan 19.83
15 Central_Greek 20.96
16 Italian_Abruzzo 20.98
17 Southwest_Russian 21.22
18 Ukrainian_Belgorod 21.51
19 West_German 21.7
20 Polish 21.76

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67.8% Greek_Thessaly + 32.2% Lithuanian @ 2.39
2 60.7% Greek_Thessaly + 39.3% Southwest_Russian @ 2.44
3 63.4% Greek_Thessaly + 36.6% Estonian_Polish @ 2.6
4 57.3% Greek_Thessaly + 42.7% Ukrainian @ 2.6
5 61% Greek_Thessaly + 39% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.64
6 82.6% Bulgarian + 17.4% Estonian_Polish @ 2.69
7 85.3% Bulgarian + 14.7% Lithuanian @ 2.69
8 63.1% Greek_Thessaly + 36.9% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.73
9 81% Bulgarian + 19% Southwest_Russian @ 2.76
10 82.6% Bulgarian + 17.4% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.86
11 78.9% Bulgarian + 21.1% Ukrainian @ 2.86
12 83.3% Bulgarian + 16.7% Belorussian @ 2.87
13 81.5% Bulgarian + 18.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.94
14 64.2% Greek_Thessaly + 35.8% Belorussian @ 2.95
15 83.9% Bulgarian + 16.1% Kargopol_Russian @ 2.97
16 84.5% Bulgarian + 15.5% Erzya @ 3.01
17 53.2% Ukrainian + 46.8% Central_Greek @ 3.01
18 78.2% Bulgarian + 21.8% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.02
19 53.3% South_Italian + 46.7% Lithuanian @ 3.03
20 82% Bulgarian + 18% Polish @ 3.08




His wife's result. Also Serbian and from the same region



Kit T805355

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 31.29
2 North_Atlantic 24.96
3 West_Med 17.12
4 East_Med 15.59
5 West_Asian 8.19
6 Red_Sea 1.35
7 Oceanian 0.65
8 East_Asian 0.6
9 Amerindian 0.24

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 4.49
2 Moldavian 5.73
3 Romanian 7.08
4 Croatian 7.53
5 Bulgarian 8.67
6 Hungarian 9.03
7 Austrian 12.7
8 East_German 13.73
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 13.98
10 South_Polish 14.62
11 Ukrainian 15
12 Greek_Thessaly 17.29
13 Polish 18.1
14 Southwest_Russian 18.32
15 Ukrainian_Belgorod 18.67
16 West_German 18.81
17 North_Italian 20.1
18 Russian_Smolensk 20.11
19 South_Dutch 20.27
20 French 20.47

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 53.8% Croatian + 46.2% Bulgarian @ 2.3
2 53.6% Ukrainian + 46.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.36
3 68.3% Bulgarian + 31.7% Polish @ 2.37
4 70.6% Croatian + 29.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.4
5 64% Bulgarian + 36% Ukrainian @ 2.4
6 82.5% Croatian + 17.5% Italian_Jewish @ 2.41
7 63.4% Bulgarian + 36.6% South_Polish @ 2.46
8 62.6% Ukrainian + 37.4% West_Sicilian @ 2.48
9 54.3% South_Polish + 45.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.48
10 82.5% Croatian + 17.5% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.5
11 78.9% Croatian + 21.1% Ashkenazi @ 2.51
12 51.2% Greek_Thessaly + 48.8% Polish @ 2.51
13 65.9% Ukrainian + 34.1% South_Italian @ 2.57
14 71.1% Bulgarian + 28.9% Estonian_Polish @ 2.65
15 77.5% Croatian + 22.5% Central_Greek @ 2.66
16 80.2% Croatian + 19.8% South_Italian @ 2.67
17 71.7% Bulgarian + 28.3% Belorussian @ 2.67
18 75.2% Bulgarian + 24.8% Estonian @ 2.69
19 75.6% Bulgarian + 24.4% Lithuanian @ 2.75
20 78.4% Croatian + 21.6% East_Sicilian @ 2.75

[MoroLP]

Besides the slight difference on NA and Baltic, what are the other population percent that differ Serbs, Croats etc., Northern from Southern inclination?

[vbnetkhio]

Besides the slight difference on NA and Baltic, what are the other population percent that differ Serbs, Croats etc., Northern from Southern inclination?

if we look at the Mediterranean and Near Eastern admixtures, Serbs and South Croats have roughly a 2:1:2 WestMed/WestAsian/EastMed ratio, while Zagroje Croats have roughly 2:1:1, looking at Feiichy's average.

[vbnetkhio]

based on the results in Vahaduo k13 Updated and k13 ancient, i made this PCA of Serbia and neighbouring countries, and relevant ancient samples

https://i.imgur.com/FrhhhXx.png
https://i.imgur.com/POMnLdE.png

It looks like the average modern Balkanians are mostly Early Slavs + Imperial Romans/Mycenaeans. Very little Illyrian and Thracian influence.
The Hungarians and Northern Croats drift away from this a bit. It could be influence from Croatia/Hungariy IA/BA, or Germanic influence from the medieval times onwards.

[vbnetkhio]

@Leto

i called it like that because excluded Vlachs, Pomaks and Aegean Macedonians. the cluster was quite bigger with them.
The Bulgarian cluster is still huge, that's why i asked Kaspias to make simplified Bulgarian averages

[lilalila1988]

98269
For reference, here are my results. I am Serbian and as far as I am aware the last 4 generations of my family are from the region around Nis.
I find it interesting that using the 1 population approximation Moldovian comes first.

[JohnnyP]

based on the results in Vahaduo k13 Updated and k13 ancient, i made this PCA of Serbia and neighbouring countries, and relevant ancient samples

https://i.imgur.com/FrhhhXx.png
https://i.imgur.com/POMnLdE.png

It looks like the average modern Balkanians are mostly Early Slavs + Imperial Romans/Mycenaeans. Very little Illyrian and Thracian influence.
The Hungarians and Northern Croats drift away from this a bit. It could be influence from Croatia/Hungariy IA/BA, or Germanic influence from the medieval times onwards.

But Moldova Scythian_IA samples most of them are Illyrian-Thracian.

[vbnetkhio]

98269
For reference, here are my results. I am Serbian and as far as I am aware the last 4 generations of my family are from the region around Nis.
I find it interesting that using the 1 population approximation Moldovian comes first.

welcome to the forum!
try Vahaduo k13 updated

[vbnetkhio]

But Moldova Scythian_IA samples most of them are Illyrian-Thracian.

but we aren't pulled towards them, we are exactly like them.

They were transitional between Daco-Thracians and Scythians, so they end up plotting similarly to modern south Slavs. Notice how on the PCA they are like a bridge between Bulgaria BA/IA and Ukraine BA/IA.

[JohnnyP]

but we aren't pulled towards them, we are exactly like them.

They were transitional between Daco-Thracians and Scythians, so they end up plotting similarly to modern south Slavs. Notice how on the PCA they are like a bridge between Bulgaria BA/IA and Ukraine BA/IA.

So whats your point ,example Bulgarians,Macedonians and Albanians (because they clustering close) are not Illyrians-Thracians with slavic admixture but they are just mix from Early slavs and East Medditeraneans?
:D

[vbnetkhio]

So whats your point ,example Bulgarians,Macedonians and Albanians (because they clustering close) are not Illyrians-Thracians with slavic admixture but they are just mix from Early slavs and East Medditeraneans?
:D

https://i.imgur.com/2u4aCa2.jpg

not East Mediterraneans, but a population similar to South Italians, to be precise. when the Serbia ancient dna study comes out, it will be much clearer.

[lilalila1988]

welcome to the forum!
try Vahaduo k13 updated

Thank you! Very interesting results with Vahaduo K13 updated..
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[vbnetkhio]

Thank you! Very interesting results with Vahaduo K13 updated..
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what are your full k13 results? i'll add you to the South Serbian average.

i mean the one with the pie chart, before you run the oracle.
https://amancallednoone.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/k13.png

[lilalila1988]

what are your full k13 results? i'll add you to the South Serbian average.

i mean the one with the pie chart, before you run the oracle.
https://amancallednoone.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/k13.png

Here you go:
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[vbnetkhio]

Serbia_South&East,23.50,28.04,17.45,9.32,17.82,1.58,0.57,0.19,0 .91,0.49,0.21,0.09,0.13

average for south and east Serbia, 12 samples

[JohnnyP]

https://i.imgur.com/2u4aCa2.jpg

not East Mediterraneans, but a population similar to South Italians, to be precise. when the Serbia ancient dna study comes out, it will be much clearer.

Lets say we agree that we disagree.Serbia cant be indicator for Balkan genetics , its not homogenous and its very Slavic.True indicator for Balkan genetics would be study on Albanians ,Macedonians and Bulgarians(Without North Bulgaria), but okay.

[vbnetkhio]

its very Slavic.

it's an ancient dna study with Roman era samples from Viminacium (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viminacium)

[JohnnyP]

it's an ancient dna study with Roman era samples from Viminacium (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viminacium)

Thats okay samples from Roman province, its obviously that whole Balkan share Roman genetics, i dont see what this study will reveal more that we already know, but its nice anyway.

[vbnetkhio]

i dont see what this study will reveal more that we already know

we'll see the autosomal dna of E-V13 carrying Roman era Balkanians, and an i2a early south Slav.

[Ford]

My dodecad k12b on vahaduo.

Target: Ford
Distance: 2.4223% / 2.42226229 | ADC: 1x
86.6 Bosnian
13.4 Croat

Target: Ford
Distance: 2.0120% / 2.01202549 | ADC: 0.5x
54.6 Croat
39.0 Bosnian
6.4 Bulgarians

Target: Ford
Distance: 1.4682% / 1.46822660 | ADC: 0.25x
83.4 Croat
13.4 Bulgarians
2.8 Ukranians
0.4 Nganassan

[Ljubic]

My dodecad k12b on vahaduo.

Target: Ford
Distance: 2.4223% / 2.42226229 | ADC: 1x
86.6 Bosnian
13.4 Croat

Target: Ford
Distance: 2.0120% / 2.01202549 | ADC: 0.5x
54.6 Croat
39.0 Bosnian
6.4 Bulgarians

Target: Ford
Distance: 1.4682% / 1.46822660 | ADC: 0.25x
83.4 Croat
13.4 Bulgarians
2.8 Ukranians
0.4 Nganassan

Who are you closest to?

[Ford]

Who are you closest to?

Distance to: Ford
2.46799514 Bosnian
2.71197345 Croat
3.25076914 R.Moldova_Centre+North
4.52921627 Serb
7.37774356 Hungarians
8.10520820 Montenegrin
10.36199788 Macedonian
10.88517800 Romanians
11.13520992 Pomak

[Dušan]

K12b

Target: Dušan
Distance: 2.7271% / 2.72714420 | ADC: 1x
66.6 Bosnian
25.4 Serb
8.0 R.Moldova_Centre+North

[CommonSense]

Distance to: CommonSense
2.87525651 Serb
4.73138458 R.Moldova_Centre+North
4.90930749 Bosnian
5.20256667 Montenegrin
5.50595133 Croat
6.99551999 Macedonian
8.50358748 Pomak
9.54443293 Romanians
9.80637548 R.Moldova_South
10.99136934 Hungarians
11.27655089 R.Moldova_Gagauz
11.49113571 Bulgarian
11.74910635 Gagauz
12.13718254 Bulgarians
11.27655089 R.Moldova_Gagauz
11.49113571 Bulgarian
11.74910635 Gagauz
12.13718254 Bulgarians
12.36854478 Turk_Romania
13.04368874 Italy_FriuliVG
13.84087064 Turk_Bulgaria
14.09767711 Albanian_North
15.05593903 Italy_Trentino
15.13151678 Albanian_Kosovo
15.70762991 Italy_Veneto
15.82106823 German
16.06750136 Turk_Greece
16.51547759 Turk_Macedonia
16.83936194 Italy_Aosta_Valley

[CommonSense]

Apparently the North_European has a big impact on population distance:

Distance to: Mother
2.72618781 R.Moldova_Centre+North
3.42876071 Bosnian
4.34573354 Serb
5.02410191 Croat
7.15452304 Montenegrin
8.72743376 Romanians
8.73796315 Macedonian
8.99136808 Pomak
9.89939897 Hungarians
10.82137237 Bulgarian
11.27232452 R.Moldova_South
11.62868436 Bulgarians

[Moje ime]

For reference, here are my results. I am Serbian and as far as I am aware the last 4 generations of my family are from the region around Nis.
I find it interesting that using the 1 population approximation Moldovian comes first.

Seems like very Slavic result for south-eastern Serbia. Welcome!



what are your full k13 results? i'll add you to the South Serbian average.



Is there average K13 Gedmatch for South Serbia?

I don't find this Vahaduo interesting at all.

[vbnetkhio]

Is there average K13 Gedmatch for South Serbia?

I don't find this Vahaduo interesting at all.

You mean the gedmatch oracle?

[Moje ime]

You mean the gedmatch oracle?

I mean Eurogenes K13 Gedmatch calculator averages (with oracles) for various Serbian regions in this case south Serbia.

[vbnetkhio]

I mean Eurogenes K13 Gedmatch calculator averages (with oracles) for various Serbian regions in this case south Serbia.


[1,] "Serb_Herzegovina" "1.5304"
[2,] "Romania_Moldavia_average" "1.7736"
[3,] "Romania_Moldavia_South" "1.7804"
[4,] "Romanian_Transylvania" "1.9844"
[5,] "Bulgarian_Pleven" "2.0722"
[6,] "Serb_Serbia" "2.4108"
[7,] "Moldova_average" "2.4881"
[8,] "Romania_Moldavia_North" "2.8625"
[9,] "Serb" "2.9685"
[10,] "Montenegrin" "3.1209"
[11,] "Bulgarian_Sofia" "3.3201"
[12,] "Serb_Croatia_Lika&Dalmatia" "3.3415"
[13,] "Moldova_Centre" "3.4224"
[14,] "Romanian_Oltenia" "3.4545"
[15,] "Macedonian" "3.5122"
[16,] "Serb_Croatia" "3.6554"
[17,] "Serb_Serbia_West&Central" "3.6981"
[18,] "Bosniak_Sandzak" "3.7434"
[19,] "Romanian_Wallachia_average" "3.8935"
[20,] "Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina" "3.9165"
[21,] "Serb_B&H_Krajina" "4.2979"
[22,] "Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija" "4.6302"
[23,] "Romanian_Muntenia" "4.94"
[24,] "Macedonian_Northwest" "5.0527"
[25,] "Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora" "5.0974"
[26,] "Moldova_South" "5.2047"
[27,] "Pomak_Plovdiv" "5.2152"
[28,] "Serb_B&H" "5.2303"
[29,] "Bosniak" "5.2802"
[30,] "Bulgarian" "5.6434"
[31,] "Serb_B&H_Northeast&Central" "5.9849"
[32,] "Croat_Split" "6.0639"
[33,] "Bulgarian_Gabrovo" "6.0673"
[34,] "Bosniak_Sarajevo" "6.0972"
[35,] "Bulgarian_Central" "6.3007"
[36,] "Bulgarian_Dupnitsa" "6.4067"
[37,] "Turk_N-Macedonia" "6.7251"
[38,] "Bulgarian_Serres" "7.0841"
[39,] "Macedonian_East" "7.1501"
[40,] "Croat_Bosnia" "7.2216"
[41,] "Pomak_Nevrokopi" "7.4344"
[42,] "Bulgarian_North-Rhodope" "7.4375"
[43,] "North_Macedonian" "7.4448"
[44,] "Macedonian_North" "7.491"
[45,] "Bulgarian_Pazardzhik" "7.7179"
[46,] "Bulgarian_Southwest" "7.7208"
[47,] "Croat_Herzegovina" "7.7857"
[48,] "Bulgarian_Northwest" "8.1859"
[49,] "Macedonian_Central" "8.2582"
[50,] "Turk_Razgrad" "8.3715"
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "16.6 % Greek_Thessaloniki + 83.4 % Serb_Serbia" "0.5053"
[2,] "12.5 % Greek_Eastern-Thrace + 87.5 % Serb_Serbia" "0.5109"
[3,] "60.4 % Croat_Herzegovina + 39.6 % Greek_Thessaloniki" "0.5568"
[4,] "84.7 % Serb_Serbia + 15.3 % Turk_Thessaloniki" "0.5611"
[5,] "8.2 % Ashkenazi + 91.8 % Serb_Serbia" "0.5672"
[6,] "65.6 % Albanian_north_Albania + 34.4 % Southwest_Russian" "0.6165"
[7,] "69.3 % Bosniak + 30.7 % Greek_Thessaloniki" "0.6427"
[8,] "5.4 % Cyprian + 94.6 % Serb_Serbia" "0.6585"
[9,] "5.4 % Greek_Cypriot + 94.6 % Serb_Serbia" "0.6585"
[10,] "78.4 % Serb_Croatia + 21.6 % Turk_Thessaloniki" "0.6908"
[11,] "33.5 % Greek_Thessaloniki + 66.5 % Serb_B&H_Northeast&Central" "0.6991"
[12,] "4.5 % Lebanese_Christian + 95.5 % Serb_Serbia" "0.7008"
[13,] "6.3 % Algerian_Jewish + 93.7 % Serb_Serbia" "0.7086"
[14,] "4.6 % Samaritan + 95.4 % Serb_Serbia" "0.7158"
[15,] "12.1 % GR_Peloponese + 87.9 % Serb_Serbia" "0.7251"
[16,] "18.3 % Greek_Northern-Thrace + 81.7 % Serb_Serbia" "0.7266"
[17,] "27.9 % Greek_Thessaloniki + 72.1 % Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija" "0.7314"
[18,] "6.3 % Italian_Jewish + 93.7 % Serb_Serbia" "0.7387"
[19,] "14.9 % Bulgarian_Thrace + 85.1 % Serb_Serbia" "0.7431"
[20,] "17.8 % Greek_Eastern-Thrace + 82.2 % Serb_Croatia" "0.7481"
[21,] "6.5 % Greek_Dodecanese + 93.5 % Serb_Serbia" "0.7507"
[22,] "94.4 % Serb_Serbia + 5.6 % Tunisian_Jewish" "0.762"
[23,] "94.2 % Serb_Serbia + 5.8 % Turk_Cypriot" "0.7656"
[24,] "63.7 % Greek_Thessaloniki + 36.3 % South_Polish" "0.7667"
[25,] "4.6 % Lebanese_Druze + 95.4 % Serb_Serbia" "0.7673"
[26,] "80 % Serb_Croatia_Lika&Dalmatia + 20 % Turk_Thessaloniki" "0.7778"
[27,] "66.3 % Croat_Split + 33.7 % Greek_Thessaloniki" "0.7966"
[28,] "5.6 % Libyan_Jewish + 94.4 % Serb_Serbia" "0.8221"
[29,] "23.2 % Greek_Thessaloniki + 76.8 % Serb_Croatia" "0.8248"
[30,] "6.2 % Sephardic_Jewish + 93.8 % Serb_Serbia" "0.8265"
[31,] "13.4 % GR_Macedonia + 86.6 % Serb_Serbia" "0.8309"
[32,] "12.8 % Greek_Thessaly + 87.2 % Serb_Serbia" "0.8326"
[33,] "25.8 % Greek_Northern-Thrace + 74.2 % Serb_Croatia" "0.837"
[34,] "6.3 % Greek_Symi_Island + 93.7 % Serb_Serbia" "0.8394"
[35,] "21.8 % Greek_Northern-Thrace + 78.2 % Serb" "0.84"
[36,] "7.1 % Calabria + 92.9 % Serb_Serbia" "0.8458"
[37,] "12 % Ashkenazi + 88 % Serb_Serbia_West&Central" "0.8501"
[38,] "15.1 % Macedonian_East + 84.9 % Serb_Herzegovina" "0.858"
[39,] "14.1 % Bulgarian_Southwest + 85.9 % Serb_Herzegovina" "0.865"
[40,] "24 % Greek_Northern-Thrace + 76 % Serb_Croatia_Lika&Dalmatia" "0.8651"
[41,] "19.4 % Greek_Thessaloniki + 80.6 % Serb" "0.8724"
[42,] "8.3 % East_Sicilian + 91.7 % Serb_Serbia" "0.8738"
[43,] "14.7 % Greek_Eastern-Thrace + 85.3 % Serb" "0.8788"
[44,] "63.5 % Bosniak_Sarajevo + 36.5 % Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central" "0.8854"
[45,] "82.1 % Serb + 17.9 % Turk_Thessaloniki" "0.8855"
[46,] "6.7 % Greek_Chios + 93.3 % Serb_Serbia" "0.8862"
[47,] "8.7 % Central_Greek + 91.3 % Serb_Serbia" "0.8889"
[48,] "16.3 % Greek_Eastern-Thrace + 83.7 % Serb_Croatia_Lika&Dalmatia" "0.8899"
[49,] "82.4 % Serb_Serbia + 17.6 % Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central" "0.895"
[50,] "66 % Albanian_north_Albania + 34 % Ukrainian_Belgorod" "0.8961"
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "50% % Romania_Moldavia_South + 50% % Serb_Herzegovina" "1.3224"
[2,] "50% % Romanian_Transylvania + 50% % Serb_Herzegovina" "1.3558"
[3,] "50% % Bulgarian_Pleven + 50% % Serb_Herzegovina" "1.4207"
[4,] "50% % Romania_Moldavia_average + 50% % Serb_Herzegovina" "1.4405"
[5,] "50% % Bulgarian_Pleven + 50% % Moldova_average" "1.4796"
[6,] "50% % Macedonian + 50% % Serb_Croatia" "1.4827"
[7,] "50% % Macedonian + 50% % Serb_Croatia_Lika&Dalmatia" "1.5164"
[8,] "50% % Macedonian + 50% % Serb_Serbia_West&Central" "1.5582"
[9,] "50% % Bulgarian_Pleven + 50% % Romania_Moldavia_average" "1.5732"
[10,] "50% % Romania_Moldavia_average + 50% % Romania_Moldavia_South" "1.607"
[11,] "50% % Bulgarian_Pleven + 50% % Romanian_Transylvania" "1.6383"
[12,] "50% % Romanian_Transylvania + 50% % Serb_Serbia" "1.6419"
[13,] "50% % Romanian_Wallachia_average + 50% % Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina" "1.6858"
[14,] "50% % Bulgarian_Pleven + 50% % Romania_Moldavia_South" "1.6935"
[15,] "50% % Romanian_Wallachia_average + 50% % Serb_Croatia" "1.7286"
[16,] "50% % Romania_Moldavia_average + 50% % Romanian_Transylvania" "1.7441"
[17,] "50% % Bulgarian_Sofia + 50% % Serb_Croatia_Lika&Dalmatia" "1.747"
[18,] "50% % Bulgarian_Pleven + 50% % Serb_Serbia" "1.747"
[19,] "50% % Romanian_Wallachia_average + 50% % Serb_Serbia_West&Central" "1.8457"
[20,] "50% % Macedonian + 50% % Serb" "1.8998"
[21,] "50% % Macedonian + 50% % Moldova_Centre" "1.9185"
[22,] "50% % Romanian_Oltenia + 50% % Serb_Croatia_Lika&Dalmatia" "1.925"
[23,] "50% % Romania_Moldavia_South + 50% % Serb_Serbia" "1.9254"
[24,] "50% % Romania_Moldavia_South + 50% % Romanian_Transylvania" "1.9259"
[25,] "50% % Moldova_average + 50% % Serb_Serbia" "1.9293"
[26,] "50% % Bulgarian_Sofia + 50% % Serb" "1.9497"
[27,] "50% % Romanian_Wallachia_average + 50% % Serb_Croatia_Lika&Dalmatia" "1.9781"
[28,] "50% % Moldova_South + 50% % Serb_B&H" "1.9818"
[29,] "50% % Bosniak + 50% % Moldova_South" "1.9895"
[30,] "50% % Pomak_Plovdiv + 50% % Serb_B&H" "1.9914"
[31,] "50% % Croat_Herzegovina + 50% % Macedonian_North" "1.9994"
[32,] "50% % Macedonian + 50% % Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina" "2.0051"
[33,] "50% % Bulgarian + 50% % Serb_B&H_Northeast&Central" "2.0325"
[34,] "50% % Romanian_Oltenia + 50% % Serb_Croatia" "2.0463"
[35,] "50% % Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora + 50% % Serb_B&H" "2.0561"
[36,] "50% % Moldova_average + 50% % Romanian_Transylvania" "2.0596"
[37,] "50% % Croat_Bosnia + 50% % Pomak_Nevrokopi" "2.063"
[38,] "50% % Moldova_Centre + 50% % Romanian_Oltenia" "2.0737"
[39,] "50% % Bosniak + 50% % Bulgarian" "2.0762"
[40,] "50% % Romanian_Muntenia + 50% % Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija" "2.0791"
[41,] "50% % Bosniak_Sarajevo + 50% % Bulgarian_Central" "2.0863"
[42,] "50% % Romanian_Muntenia + 50% % Serb_B&H" "2.0992"
[43,] "50% % Moldova_Centre + 50% % Montenegrin" "2.1012"
[44,] "50% % Bulgarian + 50% % Serb_B&H" "2.1104"
[45,] "50% % Moldova_average + 50% % Romania_Moldavia_South" "2.1172"
[46,] "50% % Bosniak + 50% % Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora" "2.1179"
[47,] "50% % Bosniak + 50% % Macedonian_Northwest" "2.131"
[48,] "50% % Romania_Moldavia_average + 50% % Serb_Serbia" "2.1315"
[49,] "50% % Bulgarian_Sofia + 50% % Serb_Croatia" "2.1325"
[50,] "50% % Croat_Bosnia + 50% % Macedonian_North" "2.1448"

[vbnetkhio]

ancient


[,1] [,2]
[1,] "DA195_Hungary_Scythian_" "8.916"
[2,] "DA195_Hungary_Scythian.SG_2553_ybp" "8.9632"
[3,] "AED513_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1528_ybp" "10.3892"
[4,] "MJ37_Chernyakhov_2430386_AD_" "11.6656"
[5,] "I2165_Bulgaria_EBA_4908_ybp" "11.9801"
[6,] "I7630_England_CA_EBA_I7630_" "12.0819"
[7,] "STR310_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1430_ybp" "12.3213"
[8,] "R61_Lazio_Rome_Late_Medieval_Italy" "12.6683"
[9,] "I4124_Germany_Bell_Beaker_4284_ybp" "13.0071"
[10,] "WEZ63_BA_Wezlin_tollense_bronze_age" "13.0668"
[11,] "STR228_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1483_ybp" "13.992"
[12,] "SZ1.SG_longobard_hungary" "14.0051"
[13,] "SZ1_Hungary_BA.SG_3950_ybp" "14.0697"
[14,] "SZ45_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp" "14.1298"
[15,] "scy301_Moldova_Scythian.SG_2248_ybp" "14.1345"
[16,] "NW54_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1491_ybp" "14.1528"
[17,] "SZ45.SG_longobard_hungary" "14.1672"
[18,] "RISE480_Hungary_Vatya.SG_3550_ybp" "14.1842"
[19,] "DA197_Hungary_Scythian_550_BC_" "14.2481"
[20,] "DA197_Hungary_Scythian.SG_2510_ybp" "14.4707"
[21,] "SZ5.SG_longobard_hungary" "14.5057"
[22,] "SZ1_SZ1_" "14.5749"
[23,] "SZ5_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp" "14.723"
[24,] "scy010_Ukraine_Scythian.SG_2619_ybp" "15.1096"
[25,] "R62_Lazio_Rome_Medieval_Italy" "15.1866"
[26,] "ANI163_Bulgaria_Varna_EN3_6577_ybp" "15.1868"
[27,] "SZ18_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp" "15.1915"
[28,] "SZ18_longobard_hungary" "15.2378"
[29,] "CL49_longobard_north_italy" "15.3374"
[30,] "CL49_Italy_Langobard_1345_ybp" "15.526"
[31,] "I7043_Hungary_BA_4000_ybp" "15.6648"
[32,] "scy192_Moldova_Scythian.SG_1650_ybp" "15.7616"
[33,] "R105_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity" "16.2099"
[34,] "IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1" "16.2238"
[35,] "R1_Abruzzo_Teramo_Late_Bronze_Age_Italy" "16.2411"
[36,] "MJ12_Thraco_Kimmerian_" "16.4934"
[37,] "scy301_scythian_Moldova_390_205bce_" "16.5169"
[38,] "scy197_Moldova_Scythian.SG_1650_ybp" "16.567"
[39,] "DA199_Late_Medieval_Hungary_" "16.5898"
[40,] "I4885_Czech_Bell_Beaker_4166_ybp" "16.6693"
[41,] "CL63_Italy_Langobard_1345_ybp" "16.7327"
[42,] "DA199_Hungary_Med.SG_715_ybp" "16.7979"
[43,] "R108_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity" "16.8106"
[44,] "CL53_longobard_north_italy" "16.8742"
[45,] "CL53_Italy_Langobard_1345_ybp" "16.923"
[46,] "SZ27_longobard_hungary" "16.9303"
[47,] "SZ27_Hungary_Langobard_1475_ybp" "16.9407"
[48,] "Halton_Halton_" "17.018"
[49,] "Bul4_Bulgaria_Yamnaya_o_4906_ybp" "17.0439"
[50,] "STR535_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1491_ybp" "17.1117"
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "51.4 % Sunghir6_Russia_1160_AD + 48.6 % SZ40_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp" "1.3519"
[2,] "52.9 % vik_stg020_Sweden_Viking.SG_900_ybp + 47.1 % Mycenaean_I9006_Greece_" "1.3521"
[3,] "69.8 % AV1_Hungary_Avar_1361_ybp + 30.2 % I0679_Bulgaria_Krepost_N_7622_ybp" "1.3626"
[4,] "69.7 % AV1_Hungary_Szolad_5400640_AD + 30.3 % I0679_Bulgaria_Krepost_N_7622_ybp" "1.3656"
[5,] "53.3 % vik_stg020_Sweden_Viking.SG_900_ybp + 46.7 % I9006_Greece_Mycenaean_3287_ybp" "1.378"
[6,] "53.2 % Vik_stg020_Sigtuna_Viking_Age_ + 46.8 % I9006_Greece_Mycenaean_3287_ybp" "1.4089"
[7,] "52.8 % Vik_stg020_Sigtuna_Viking_Age_ + 47.2 % Mycenaean_I9006_Greece_" "1.4371"
[8,] "51.3 % Sunghir6_Russia_1160_AD + 48.7 % SZ40_longobard_hungary" "1.4494"
[9,] "69.9 % AV1_Hungary_Avar_1361_ybp + 30.1 % Ovaören_Topakhöyük_AnatoliaEBA_MA2212_Turkey_27 0002000_BC" "1.5108"
[10,] "42.4 % Sunghir6_Russia_1160_AD + 57.6 % R970_Lazio_Rome_Renaissance_Italy" "1.5129"
[11,] "55.9 % vik_stg020_Sweden_Viking.SG_900_ybp + 44.1 % Ovaören_Topakhöyük_AnatoliaEBA_MA2212_Turkey_27 0002000_BC" "1.5751"
[12,] "46.5 % DA29_GoldenHordeEuro_700_R_YP575_I1_ + 53.5 % R65_Lazio_Rome_Medieval_Italy" "1.6269"
[13,] "53.2 % AV2_Hungary_Szolad_540_640_AD_540_640_AD_ + 46.8 % STR300b_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1430_ybp" "1.6273"
[14,] "53.2 % Sunghir6_Russia_Sunghir6.SG_790_ybp + 46.8 % SZ40_longobard_hungary" "1.6341"
[15,] "53.3 % Sunghir6_Russia_1160_AD + 46.7 % R131_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial" "1.6483"
[16,] "52.4 % AV2_Hungary_Avar_daughter.or.mother.AV1_1356_ybp + 47.6 % R65_Lazio_Rome_Medieval_Italy" "1.6557"
[17,] "53.3 % Sunghir6_Russia_Sunghir6.SG_790_ybp + 46.7 % SZ40_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp" "1.6839"
[18,] "71.8 % AV1_Hungary_Avar_1361_ybp + 28.2 % Tep003_Anatolia_N_Tepecik_Ciftlik.SG_8505_ybp" "1.6885"
[19,] "68.1 % R111_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial + 31.9 % Kivutkalns209_Ancient_Inflanty_R1a_R1a_" "1.7055"
[20,] "53 % Sungir6_Early_Medieval_Russian_I2a_I2a_ + 47 % SZ40_longobard_hungary" "1.7169"
[21,] "58.8 % AV2_Hungary_Avar_daughter.or.mother.AV1_1356_ybp + 41.2 % R44_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial" "1.7202"
[22,] "53.2 % Sungir6_Early_Medieval_Russian_I2a_I2a_ + 46.8 % SZ40_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp" "1.7301"
[23,] "53.1 % Sunghir6_Russia_Sunghir6.SG_790_ybp + 46.9 % sz40_szo034_Longobard_" "1.7414"
[24,] "69.8 % AV1_Hungary_Szolad_5400640_AD + 30.2 % Ovaören_Topakhöyük_AnatoliaEBA_MA2212_Turkey_27 0002000_BC" "1.7568"
[25,] "68 % R111_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial + 32 % Kivutkalns209_Latvia_BA_318_ybp" "1.7737"
[26,] "44.2 % Sunghir6_Russia_Sunghir6.SG_790_ybp + 55.8 % R970_Lazio_Rome_Renaissance_Italy" "1.7764"
[27,] "71.9 % I4137_Czech_Early_Slav_dup.I4137.SG_1235_ybp + 28.1 % Tep003_Anatolia_N_Tepecik_Ciftlik.SG_8505_ybp" "1.7843"
[28,] "54.7 % IIf_lowquality_ + 45.3 % Mycenaean_I9006_Greece_" "1.7859"
[29,] "53.5 % Sunghir6_Russia_1160_AD + 46.5 % R58_Lazio_Rome_Medieval_Italy" "1.7943"
[30,] "44 % Sungir6_Early_Medieval_Russian_I2a_I2a_ + 56 % R970_Lazio_Rome_Renaissance_Italy" "1.7967"
[31,] "55 % IIf_lowquality_ + 45 % I9006_Greece_Mycenaean_3287_ybp" "1.8038"
[32,] "53.3 % AV2_Hungary_Avar_daughter.or.mother.AV1_1356_ybp + 46.7 % STR300b_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1430_ybp" "1.8057"
[33,] "54.9 % Sunghir6_Russia_1160_AD + 45.1 % R65_Lazio_Rome_Medieval_Italy" "1.8113"
[34,] "53 % DA29_GoldenHordeEuro_700_R_YP575_I1_ + 47 % R44_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial" "1.8212"
[35,] "62.5 % AV1_Hungary_Szolad_5400640_AD + 37.5 % STR300b_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1430_ybp" "1.8281"
[36,] "37.7 % Spiginas2_Lithuania_2130_1750y_old_ + 62.3 % R122_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity" "1.8369"
[37,] "51.2 % RISE555_Stalingard_Quarry_Russia_4082_years_R_CTS6 23_N1a_ + 48.8 % I9130_Minoan_Odigitria_" "1.8437"
[38,] "64 % R113_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial + 36 % Kivutkalns164_Ancient_Inflanty_" "1.8487"
[39,] "61.2 % Sunghir6_Russia_1160_AD + 38.8 % R44_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial" "1.8648"
[40,] "60.3 % Plinkaigalis242_Plinkaigalis242_Lithuania_3260_263 0y_old_ + 39.7 % I0708_Anatolia_N_8097_ybp" "1.8742"
[41,] "67.4 % AV1_Hungary_Avar_1361_ybp + 32.6 % Mycenaean_I9006_Greece_" "1.8873"
[42,] "58.7 % AV2_Hungary_Szolad_540_640_AD_540_640_AD_ + 41.3 % R44_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial" "1.8905"
[43,] "52.3 % AV2_Hungary_Szolad_540_640_AD_540_640_AD_ + 47.7 % R65_Lazio_Rome_Medieval_Italy" "1.8976"
[44,] "53 % Sungir6_Early_Medieval_Russian_I2a_I2a_ + 47 % sz40_szo034_Longobard_" "1.9057"
[45,] "51.2 % Sunghir6_Russia_1160_AD + 48.8 % sz40_szo034_Longobard_" "1.9253"
[46,] "37.3 % ZVEJ25_latvia_HG2_narva_7791_7586_BC5841_5636_calB C_ + 62.7 % R122_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity" "1.9335"
[47,] "44.1 % DA29_GoldenHordeEuro_700_R_YP575_I1_ + 55.9 % R49_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial" "1.935"
[48,] "53.7 % Sunghir6_Russia_Sunghir6.SG_790_ybp + 46.3 % R973_Lazio_Rome_Renaissance_Italy" "1.9447"
[49,] "57.6 % IIf_lowquality_ + 42.4 % Ovaören_Topakhöyük_AnatoliaEBA_MA2212_Turkey_27 0002000_BC" "1.9454"
[50,] "47.1 % DA29_GoldenHordeEuro_700_R_YP575_I1_ + 52.9 % R1544_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial" "1.9621"
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "50% % AV2_Hungary_Avar_daughter.or.mother.AV1_1356_ybp + 50% % R49_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial" "2.5342"
[2,] "50% % AV2_Hungary_Szolad_540_640_AD_540_640_AD_ + 50% % R49_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial" "3.2479"
[3,] "50% % RISE555_Stalingard_Quarry_Russia_4082_years_R_CTS6 23_N1a_ + 50% % I8215_iberia_" "3.4913"
[4,] "50% % Vs_1188_Ancient_Suwalki_R1a_R1a_ + 50% % I8215_iberia_" "3.6259"
[5,] "50% % WEZ40_BA_Wezlin_tollense_bronze_age + 50% % R125_Lazio_Frosinone_Roman_Imperial" "3.7779"
[6,] "50% % Turlojiske3_Lithuania_BA_905_ybp + 50% % I8215_iberia_" "3.8031"
[7,] "50% % Sunghir6_Russia_Sunghir6.SG_790_ybp + 50% % R969_Lazio_Rome_Renaissance_Italy" "3.9442"
[8,] "50% % AV2_Hungary_Szolad_540_640_AD_540_640_AD_ + 50% % R56_Lazio_Rome_Late_Medieval_Italy" "4.0236"
[9,] "50% % I5242_Serbia_Iron_Gates_HG_10530_ybp + 50% % Ovaören_Topakhöyük_AnatoliaEBA_MA2212_Turkey_27 0002000_BC" "4.1545"
[10,] "50% % RISE1_Wielkopolska_Corded_Ware_4117_years_C_IMS_JS T029149_K1b1a_ + 50% % Mycenaean_I9006_Greece_" "4.1729"
[11,] "50% % WEZ40_BA_Wezlin_tollense_bronze_age + 50% % R836_Marche_Roman_Imperial" "4.1916"
[12,] "50% % WEZ56_BA_outlier2_Wezlin_tollense_bronze_age + 50% % I9033_Mycenaean_1352_bc_M_" "4.2046"
[13,] "50% % AV1_Hungary_Avar_1361_ybp + 50% % R970_Lazio_Rome_Renaissance_Italy" "4.2224"
[14,] "50% % AV2_Hungary_Avar_daughter.or.mother.AV1_1356_ybp + 50% % R53_Lazio_Rome_Late_Medieval_Italy" "4.2285"
[15,] "50% % AV1_Hungary_Szolad_5400640_AD + 50% % R970_Lazio_Rome_Renaissance_Italy" "4.2403"
[16,] "50% % DA29_Kazakhstan_GoldenHordeEuro.SG_550_ybp + 50% % R836_Marche_Roman_Imperial" "4.2846"
[17,] "50% % DA29_European_in_Kazakhstan_1300_AD_700_ + 50% % R836_Marche_Roman_Imperial" "4.3178"
[18,] "50% % I5235_Serbia_Iron_Gates_HG_10835_ybp + 50% % Ovaören_Topakhöyük_AnatoliaEBA_MA2212_Turkey_27 0002000_BC" "4.3268"
[19,] "50% % AV2_Hungary_Avar_daughter.or.mother.AV1_1356_ybp + 50% % R56_Lazio_Rome_Late_Medieval_Italy" "4.3294"
[20,] "50% % DA29_GoldenHordeEuro_700_R_YP575_I1_ + 50% % R34_Lazio_Rome_Early_Medieval_Italy" "4.342"
[21,] "50% % Turlojiske5_Ancient_Suwalki_R1a_ + 50% % Minoan_Lasithi_I9005_Greece_" "4.3686"
[22,] "50% % Sungir6_Early_Medieval_Russian_I2a_I2a_ + 50% % R969_Lazio_Rome_Renaissance_Italy" "4.3798"
[23,] "50% % SF11_Sweden_Mesolithic.SG_8892_ybp + 50% % Mycenaean_I9006_Greece_" "4.4889"
[24,] "50% % Sunghir6_Russia_1160_AD + 50% % R59_Lazio_Rome_Early_Medieval_Italy" "4.5572"
[25,] "50% % AV2_Hungary_Szolad_540_640_AD_540_640_AD_ + 50% % R53_Lazio_Rome_Late_Medieval_Italy" "4.5597"
[26,] "50% % Sunghir6_Russia_1160_AD + 50% % R57_Lazio_Rome_Medieval_Italy" "4.626"
[27,] "50% % AV2_Hungary_Avar_daughter.or.mother.AV1_1356_ybp + 50% % R117_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity" "4.6482"
[28,] "50% % I0012_Sweden_Motala_HG_7595_ybp + 50% % Ovaören_Topakhöyük_AnatoliaEBA_MA2212_Turkey_27 0002000_BC" "4.6613"
[29,] "50% % I1875_Croatia_Mesolithic_HG_9118_ybp + 50% % Ovaören_Topakhöyük_AnatoliaEBA_MA2212_Turkey_27 0002000_BC" "4.6989"
[30,] "50% % DA29_GoldenHordeEuro_700_R_YP575_I1_ + 50% % CL30_Italy_Langobard_1345_ybp" "4.6998"
[31,] "50% % I5241_Serbia_Iron_Gates_HG_daughter_I5236_11196_yb p + 50% % Ovaören_Topakhöyük_AnatoliaEBA_MA2212_Turkey_27 0002000_BC" "4.7712"
[32,] "50% % RISE479_Erd_4_Hungary_2000_years_M_I_L1228_T2b_ + 50% % R1548_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial" "4.7721"
[33,] "50% % RISE479_Vatya_ + 50% % Crusader_SI53_Kingdom_of_Jerusalem_" "4.8584"
[34,] "50% % RISE1_Wielkopolska_Corded_Ware_4117_years_C_IMS_JS T029149_K1b1a_ + 50% % I9010_Greece_Mycenaean_3250_ybp" "4.9338"
[35,] "50% % Sunghir6_Russia_Sunghir6.SG_790_ybp + 50% % R121_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity" "4.951"
[36,] "50% % I5242_Serbia_Iron_Gates_HG_10530_ybp + 50% % I3920_Greece_Peloponnese_N_5770_ybp" "4.9599"
[37,] "50% % MJ14_West_Scythian_R1a_Z645_ + 50% % sz40_szo034_Longobard_" "4.9784"
[38,] "50% % MJ14_West_Scythian_R1a_Z645_ + 50% % SZ40_longobard_hungary" "4.9874"
[39,] "50% % AV2_Hungary_Avar_daughter.or.mother.AV1_1356_ybp + 50% % R64_Lazio_Rome_Medieval_Italy" "5.0069"
[40,] "50% % IIIt_lowquality_ + 50% % R40_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial" "5.007"
[41,] "50% % MJ14_West_Scythian_R1a_Z645_ + 50% % SZ40_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp" "5.0381"
[42,] "50% % VIII7_lowquality_ + 50% % R30_Lazio_Rome_Early_Medieval_Italy" "5.0633"
[43,] "50% % Sungir6_Early_Medieval_Russian_I2a_I2a_ + 50% % R107_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity" "5.0952"
[44,] "50% % I5235_Serbia_Iron_Gates_HG_10835_ybp + 50% % I3920_Greece_Peloponnese_N_5770_ybp" "5.0993"
[45,] "50% % DA29_European_in_Kazakhstan_1300_AD_700_ + 50% % STR300b_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1430_ybp" "5.1115"
[46,] "50% % AV2_Hungary_Szolad_540_640_AD_540_640_AD_ + 50% % R117_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity" "5.1153"
[47,] "50% % AV2_Hungary_Szolad_540_640_AD_540_640_AD_ + 50% % R54_Lazio_Rome_Late_Medieval_Italy" "5.1206"
[48,] "50% % SF11_Sweden_Mesolithic.SG_8892_ybp + 50% % I9006_Greece_Mycenaean_3287_ybp" "5.1361"
[49,] "50% % AV2_Hungary_Szolad_540_640_AD_540_640_AD_ + 50% % R131_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial" "5.1475"
[50,] "50% % scy009_scythian_Ukraine_768_431bce_ + 50% % H_P1_Polgar_Ferenci_hat_Hungary_6300_6100_years_N_" "5.148"

[vbnetkhio]

these are the values:

North_Atlantic 23.5
Baltic 28.04
West_Med 17.45
West_Asian 9.32
East_Med 17.82
Red_Sea 1.58
South_Asian 0.57
East_Asian 0.19
Siberian 0.91
Amerindian 0.49
Oceanian 0.21
Northeast_African 0.09
Sub_Saharan 0.13

the average is for these regions:
https://i.imgur.com/rB4NQ1C.png

[vbnetkhio]

@Mole Ime
you would like it with the old gedmatch spreadsheet? without all the new regions?

[Moje ime]

@Mole Ime
you would like it with the old gedmatch spreadsheet? without all the new regions?

Whatever you have with Gedmatch only, not Vahaduo. This thread needs Gedmatch update.

[vbnetkhio]

Whatever you have with Gedmatch only, not Vahaduo. This thread needs Gedmatch update.

oh, you mean individual results? this is an average of 12 south and east Serbian results.

those last 2 oracles i posted were dodecadOracle (the thing which is on gedmatch too), not vahaduo. scroll down a bit.

[Leto]

Don't know if this sample is known to you guys, I found it among my father's matches (not even closely a strong one)

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 26.61
2 North_Atlantic 26.11
3 West_Med 20.03
4 East_Med 14.38
5 West_Asian 7.98
6 Red_Sea 2.22
7 Siberian 1.54
8 East_Asian 0.94
9 Amerindian 0.19

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 4.39
2 Romanian 5.67
3 Bulgarian 7.78
4 Moldavian 8.84
5 Hungarian 10.46
6 Croatian 10.86
7 Austrian 12.53
8 East_German 14.08
9 Greek_Thessaly 15.05
10 North_Italian 15.58
11 West_German 16.9
12 French 17.1
13 Ukrainian_Lviv 17.33
14 Tuscan 17.66
15 South_Polish 17.94
16 South_Dutch 18.11
17 Ukrainian 18.51
18 Portuguese 18.72
19 Spanish_Galicia 18.8
20 Spanish_Cataluna 19.75

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 64.4% Moldavian + 35.6% North_Italian @ 2.31
2 91.4% Serbian + 8.6% Sardinian @ 2.62
3 51.2% Tuscan + 48.8% Ukrainian @ 2.63
4 64.2% North_Italian + 35.8% Erzya @ 2.81
5 62.4% Croatian + 37.6% Tuscan @ 2.82
6 50.5% Ukrainian_Lviv + 49.5% Tuscan @ 2.86
7 67.7% Moldavian + 32.3% Tuscan @ 3.03
8 59.5% Croatian + 40.5% North_Italian @ 3.3
9 59.7% North_Italian + 40.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.45
10 82.2% Moldavian + 17.8% Sardinian @ 3.45
11 59.3% North_Italian + 40.7% Southwest_Russian @ 3.46
12 57.7% Tuscan + 42.3% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.51
13 58.1% Tuscan + 41.9% Estonian_Polish @ 3.56
14 59.6% Tuscan + 40.4% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.56
15 89.5% Serbian + 10.5% Southwest_French @ 3.58
16 67.7% Croatian + 32.3% West_Sicilian @ 3.58
17 62.8% Tuscan + 37.2% Lithuanian @ 3.6
18 56.1% Tuscan + 43.9% Southwest_Russian @ 3.63
19 55% Tuscan + 45% Polish @ 3.71
20 56.5% Tuscan + 43.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.72


# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 19.41
2 Baltic 18.29
3 North_Sea 15.17
4 West_Med 14.45
5 East_Med 10.32
6 Eastern_Euro 10.21
7 West_Asian 7.91
8 Red_Sea 2.75
9 Siberian 0.98
10 Southeast_Asian 0.52

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 5.92
2 Romanian 6.02
3 Bulgarian 7.4
4 Croatian 8.67
5 Austrian 8.74
6 Moldavian 8.88
7 Hungarian 10.11
8 East_German 13.02
9 North_Italian 14.41
10 Greek_Thessaly 14.97
11 Greek 15.13
12 Ukrainian_Lviv 15.38
13 South_Polish 15.45
14 Tuscan 16.01
15 French 16.27
16 Ukrainian 16.28
17 Spanish_Galicia 16.71
18 Spanish_Cataluna 16.93
19 South_Dutch 16.99
20 Portuguese 17.04

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 65.8% Croatian + 34.2% Tuscan @ 2.8
2 53.3% Tuscan + 46.7% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.83
3 56.3% Tuscan + 43.7% Estonian_Polish @ 3
4 57.2% North_Italian + 42.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.17
5 56.5% Tuscan + 43.5% Belorussian @ 3.24
6 63.6% Croatian + 36.4% North_Italian @ 3.28
7 60.5% Tuscan + 39.5% Lithuanian @ 3.32
8 50.9% South_Polish + 49.1% Tuscan @ 3.49
9 58% North_Italian + 42% Southwest_Russian @ 3.55
10 71.8% Croatian + 28.2% West_Sicilian @ 3.6
11 56.1% North_Italian + 43.9% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.6
12 54.6% Tuscan + 45.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.61
13 52.8% Tuscan + 47.2% Polish @ 3.61
14 55.2% Tuscan + 44.8% Southwest_Russian @ 3.64
15 69.3% Moldavian + 30.7% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.74
16 55.5% Bulgarian + 44.5% Austrian @ 3.92
17 71% Croatian + 29% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.94
18 66.5% Bulgarian + 33.5% East_German @ 3.97
19 63.3% North_Italian + 36.7% Lithuanian @ 4
20 50.4% Tuscan + 49.6% Ukrainian @ 4.02


Population
Gedrosia 4.82 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 0.61 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 30.19 Pct
North_European 38.42 Pct
South_Asian 0.80 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.64 Pct
East_Asian 0.77 Pct
Caucasus 19.74 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

[vbnetkhio]

Don't know if this sample is known to you guys, I found it among my father's matches (not even closely a strong one)

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 26.61
2 North_Atlantic 26.11
3 West_Med 20.03
4 East_Med 14.38
5 West_Asian 7.98
6 Red_Sea 2.22
7 Siberian 1.54
8 East_Asian 0.94
9 Amerindian 0.19


very Montenegrin results

[Leto]

very Montenegrin results
This is what he gets on Dodecad

Distance to: P.
3.67671049 Serb
5.38835782 Montenegrin
6.08437343 Croat
6.18764899 Bosnian
6.51888794 R.Moldova_Centre+North
7.56379534 Macedonian
9.70581784 Pomak
10.42447601 R.Moldova_South
10.80557060 Italy_FriuliVG
10.87074514 Romanians

Target: P.
Distance: 1.4455% / 1.44546537 | ADC: 0.5x
87.0 Serb
8.8 French
4.2 Italy_Aosta_Valley

Target: P.
Distance: 1.0322% / 1.03224457 | ADC: 0.25x
78.6 Serb
9.8 French
7.0 Italy_Aosta_Valley
4.4 Croat
0.2 Japanese

[lilalila1988]

Seems like very Slavic result for south-eastern Serbia. Welcome!

Thank you!

Well, it seems to be slightly more Slavic in comparison to the other S/E Serbian samples. Would be nice to see more results from that area. I have checked back with my parents and the last 5 generations are from Nis, Aleksinac, Sokobanja, Svrljig and Leskovac.

[CommonSense]

Don't know if this sample is known to you guys, I found it among my father's matches (not even closely a strong one)

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 26.61
2 North_Atlantic 26.11
3 West_Med 20.03
4 East_Med 14.38
5 West_Asian 7.98
6 Red_Sea 2.22
7 Siberian 1.54
8 East_Asian 0.94
9 Amerindian 0.19

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 4.39
2 Romanian 5.67
3 Bulgarian 7.78
4 Moldavian 8.84
5 Hungarian 10.46
6 Croatian 10.86
7 Austrian 12.53
8 East_German 14.08
9 Greek_Thessaly 15.05
10 North_Italian 15.58
11 West_German 16.9
12 French 17.1
13 Ukrainian_Lviv 17.33
14 Tuscan 17.66
15 South_Polish 17.94
16 South_Dutch 18.11
17 Ukrainian 18.51
18 Portuguese 18.72
19 Spanish_Galicia 18.8
20 Spanish_Cataluna 19.75

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 64.4% Moldavian + 35.6% North_Italian @ 2.31
2 91.4% Serbian + 8.6% Sardinian @ 2.62
3 51.2% Tuscan + 48.8% Ukrainian @ 2.63
4 64.2% North_Italian + 35.8% Erzya @ 2.81
5 62.4% Croatian + 37.6% Tuscan @ 2.82
6 50.5% Ukrainian_Lviv + 49.5% Tuscan @ 2.86
7 67.7% Moldavian + 32.3% Tuscan @ 3.03
8 59.5% Croatian + 40.5% North_Italian @ 3.3
9 59.7% North_Italian + 40.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.45
10 82.2% Moldavian + 17.8% Sardinian @ 3.45
11 59.3% North_Italian + 40.7% Southwest_Russian @ 3.46
12 57.7% Tuscan + 42.3% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.51
13 58.1% Tuscan + 41.9% Estonian_Polish @ 3.56
14 59.6% Tuscan + 40.4% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.56
15 89.5% Serbian + 10.5% Southwest_French @ 3.58
16 67.7% Croatian + 32.3% West_Sicilian @ 3.58
17 62.8% Tuscan + 37.2% Lithuanian @ 3.6
18 56.1% Tuscan + 43.9% Southwest_Russian @ 3.63
19 55% Tuscan + 45% Polish @ 3.71
20 56.5% Tuscan + 43.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.72


# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 19.41
2 Baltic 18.29
3 North_Sea 15.17
4 West_Med 14.45
5 East_Med 10.32
6 Eastern_Euro 10.21
7 West_Asian 7.91
8 Red_Sea 2.75
9 Siberian 0.98
10 Southeast_Asian 0.52

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 5.92
2 Romanian 6.02
3 Bulgarian 7.4
4 Croatian 8.67
5 Austrian 8.74
6 Moldavian 8.88
7 Hungarian 10.11
8 East_German 13.02
9 North_Italian 14.41
10 Greek_Thessaly 14.97
11 Greek 15.13
12 Ukrainian_Lviv 15.38
13 South_Polish 15.45
14 Tuscan 16.01
15 French 16.27
16 Ukrainian 16.28
17 Spanish_Galicia 16.71
18 Spanish_Cataluna 16.93
19 South_Dutch 16.99
20 Portuguese 17.04

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 65.8% Croatian + 34.2% Tuscan @ 2.8
2 53.3% Tuscan + 46.7% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.83
3 56.3% Tuscan + 43.7% Estonian_Polish @ 3
4 57.2% North_Italian + 42.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.17
5 56.5% Tuscan + 43.5% Belorussian @ 3.24
6 63.6% Croatian + 36.4% North_Italian @ 3.28
7 60.5% Tuscan + 39.5% Lithuanian @ 3.32
8 50.9% South_Polish + 49.1% Tuscan @ 3.49
9 58% North_Italian + 42% Southwest_Russian @ 3.55
10 71.8% Croatian + 28.2% West_Sicilian @ 3.6
11 56.1% North_Italian + 43.9% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.6
12 54.6% Tuscan + 45.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.61
13 52.8% Tuscan + 47.2% Polish @ 3.61
14 55.2% Tuscan + 44.8% Southwest_Russian @ 3.64
15 69.3% Moldavian + 30.7% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.74
16 55.5% Bulgarian + 44.5% Austrian @ 3.92
17 71% Croatian + 29% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.94
18 66.5% Bulgarian + 33.5% East_German @ 3.97
19 63.3% North_Italian + 36.7% Lithuanian @ 4
20 50.4% Tuscan + 49.6% Ukrainian @ 4.02


Population
Gedrosia 4.82 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 0.61 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 30.19 Pct
North_European 38.42 Pct
South_Asian 0.80 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.64 Pct
East_Asian 0.77 Pct
Caucasus 19.74 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Do you know where he's from or is just a kit you saw that has a Serbian name? Without any info, the result itself doesn't mean much.

[Leto]

Do you know where he's from or is just a kit you saw that has a Serbian name? Without any info, the result itself doesn't mean much.
Don't know anything, just a Serbian name, unfortunately.

[vbnetkhio]

Thank you!

Well, it seems to be slightly more Slavic in comparison to the other S/E Serbian samples. Would be nice to see more results from that area. I have checked back with my parents and the last 5 generations are from Nis, Aleksinac, Sokobanja, Svrljig and Leskovac.

here are some which were already posted on apricity. i have some more private results which i won't post but these 3 pretty much show the entire range:

Zajecar+Leskovac:

1 Baltic 32.21
2 North_Atlantic 25.09
3 West_Med 15.55
4 East_Med 15.5
5 West_Asian 9.87
6 Red_Sea 1.22
7 South_Asian 0.39
8 Siberian 0.18

Jablanica(the region close to Leskovac):


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 27.19
2 North_Atlantic 22.22
3 West_Med 19.89
4 East_Med 17.8
5 West_Asian 8.06
6 Siberian 2.59
7 Red_Sea 1.43
8 Sub-Saharan 0.28
9 East_Asian 0.27
10 South_Asian 0.27

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 5.26
2 Bulgarian 5.64
3 Serbian 6.4
4 Moldavian 10.06
5 Croatian 12.74
6 Greek_Thessaly 12.88
7 Hungarian 13.48
8 Austrian 16.48
9 North_Italian 17.01
10 Tuscan 17.6
11 East_German 17.87
12 Ukrainian_Lviv 18.94
13 Italian_Abruzzo 19.76
14 South_Polish 19.83
15 Ukrainian 19.96
16 Central_Greek 20
17 West_Sicilian 20.5
18 West_German 20.95
19 French 21.03
20 East_Sicilian 21.13

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 61.4% Greek_Thessaly + 38.6% Ukrainian @ 3.73
2 54.9% Ukrainian + 45.1% South_Italian @ 4.04
3 70.9% Greek_Thessaly + 29.1% Estonian @ 4.12
4 50.3% Croatian + 49.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.13
5 50.7% Ukrainian + 49.3% West_Sicilian @ 4.16
6 60.2% Greek_Thessaly + 39.8% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.17
7 67.3% Greek_Thessaly + 32.7% Estonian_Polish @ 4.19
8 57.2% Moldavian + 42.8% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.24
9 89.1% Bulgarian + 10.9% East_Finnish @ 4.26
10 61.7% Tuscan + 38.3% Erzya @ 4.27
11 68.4% Greek_Thessaly + 31.6% Kargopol_Russian @ 4.27
12 61.4% Greek_Thessaly + 38.6% South_Polish @ 4.28
13 59.5% Ukrainian + 40.5% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.3
14 70.5% Croatian + 29.5% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.3
15 84.2% Bulgarian + 15.8% Ukrainian @ 4.31
16 71.4% Greek_Thessaly + 28.6% East_Finnish @ 4.31
17 87.9% Bulgarian + 12.1% Kargopol_Russian @ 4.33
18 75.9% Moldavian + 24.1% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.33
19 65.4% Greek_Thessaly + 34.6% Polish @ 4.34
20 77.1% Bulgarian + 22.9% Croatian @ 4.38


Southern Kosovo:



Eurogenes K13

Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent
1Baltic24.62
2North_Atlantic23.25
3East_Med22.65
4West_Med17.48
5West_Asian10.91
6Amerindian0.42
7Sub-Saharan0.28
8Siberian0.27
9Red_Sea0.12

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)Distance
1Bulgarian3.33
2Romanian4.59
3Serbian7.93
4Greek_Thessaly9.75
5Moldavian13.56
6Tuscan15.28
7Hungarian15.62
8Italian_Abruzzo16.05
9Croatian16.09
10North_Italian16.17
11Central_Greek16.5
12West_Sicilian17.43
13East_Sicilian17.83
14Austrian18.42
15Ashkenazi18.72
16East_German20.3
17South_Italian20.64
18West_German21.6
19French21.66
20Portuguese22.03

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source)Secondary Population (source)Distance
1 98.3%Bulgarian+1.7%Southeast_English@3.3
2 98.2%Bulgarian+1.8%Spanish_Valencia@3.31
3 98.6%Bulgarian+1.4%Danish@3.31
4 97.9%Bulgarian+2.1%Ashkenazi@3.31
5 98.2%Bulgarian+1.8%West_German@3.31
6 98.8%Bulgarian+1.2%North_Dutch@3.32
7 98.5%Bulgarian+1.5%Spanish_Cataluna@3.32
8 98.9%Bulgarian+1.1%Norwegian@3.32
9 98.9%Bulgarian+1.1%Orcadian@3.32
10 98.8%Bulgarian+1.2%North_German@3.32
11 98.6%Bulgarian+1.4%South_Dutch@3.32
12 98.7%Bulgarian+1.3%Italian_Jewish@3.32
13 97.9%Bulgarian+2.1%Tuscan@3.32
14 99.1%Bulgarian+0.9%West_Scottish@3.32
15 98.2%Bulgarian+1.8%North_Italian@3.32
16 99.1%Bulgarian+0.9%Southwest_English@3.32
17 99.1%Bulgarian+0.9%Swedish@3.32
18 98.7%Bulgarian+1.3%French@3.32
19 98.9%Bulgarian+1.1%Spanish_Murcia@3.32
20 98.4%Bulgarian+1.6%Hungarian@3.33

[Leto]

Siberian 2.59

Holy moly, that's a lot for a Serb. Can you show me his Dodecad? Just to see if that's not some kind of glitch.

[vbnetkhio]

Siberian 2.59

Holy moly, that's a lot for a Serb. Can you show me his Dodecad? Just to see if that's not some kind of glitch.

here. he gets it in k12b too.


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 34.74
2 Atlantic_Med 26.29
3 Caucasus 23.35
4 Southwest_Asian 8.84
5 Gedrosia 4.34
6 Siberian 1.34
7 East_Asian 0.46
8 Sub_Saharan 0.4
9 Northwest_African 0.14
10 South_Asian 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanians (Behar) 6.03
2 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 7.04
3 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 7.76
4 O_Italian (Dodecad) 14.63
5 Hungarians (Behar) 15.13
6 N_Italian (Dodecad) 17.59
7 Greek (Dodecad) 18.42
8 TSI30 (Metspalu) 19.04
9 Tuscan (HGDP) 19.44
10 German (Dodecad) 19.77
11 C_Italian (Dodecad) 19.79
12 North_Italian (HGDP) 20.53
13 French (Dodecad) 22.51
14 French (HGDP) 22.67
15 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 22.98
16 Dutch (Dodecad) 24.52
17 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 24.7
18 Sicilian (Dodecad) 24.73
19 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 24.83
20 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 24.88

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 32.8% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 2.57
2 62.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 37.5% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 2.83
3 62.4% Hungarians (Behar) + 37.6% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 3.04
4 70.8% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 29.2% Russian (HGDP) @ 3.04
5 64.6% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 35.4% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 3.04
6 63.7% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 36.3% FIN30 (1000Genomes) @ 3.04
7 62.3% Hungarians (Behar) + 37.7% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 3.09
8 54.4% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 45.6% Polish (Dodecad) @ 3.09
9 71.6% Hungarians (Behar) + 28.4% Cypriots (Behar) @ 3.19
10 64% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 36% Russian (HGDP) @ 3.2
11 55.6% Swedish (Dodecad) + 44.4% Cypriots (Behar) @ 3.22
12 69.6% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 30.4% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 3.3
13 66.3% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 33.7% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 3.35
14 69.8% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 30.2% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 3.37
15 62.4% Hungarians (Behar) + 37.6% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 3.41
16 68.3% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 31.7% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 3.44
17 70.3% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 29.7% Russian_B (Behar) @ 3.44
18 75.9% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 24.1% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 3.48
19 68.8% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 31.2% FIN30 (1000Genomes) @ 3.49
20 68.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 31.8% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 3.52

[Leto]

Yep, I see. 1.8% in total. And he isn't Slavic-shifted at all, only ca. 35% North_European.

[vbnetkhio]

Yep, I see. 1.8% in total. And he isn't Slavic-shifted at all, only ca. 35% North_European.

dodecad can't show Slavic influence. he gets 27% baltic in k13, that isn't super low. but his north atlantic is very low, 22.

[Leto]

dodecad can't show Slavic influence. he gets 27% baltic in k13, that isn't super low. but his north atlantic is very low, 22.
Well, I judge by the level of North_European which is relatively low in his case.

Distance to: x
3.70613006 Montenegrin
3.71887080 Macedonian
3.77779036 Pomak
4.57415566 R.Moldova_South
6.14639732 Serb
6.60759412 Romanians
6.71414924 Gagauz
6.99854985 R.Moldova_Gagauz
7.80078842 Bulgarian
8.62516667 Bulgarians

Target: x
Distance: 1.9810% / 1.98101286 | ADC: 0.5x
70.8 Montenegrin
27.2 Pomak
2.0 Saudis

Target: x
Distance: 1.1187% / 1.11869661 | ADC: 0.25x
83.8 Montenegrin
9.0 Pomak
3.8 Saudis
3.0 R.Moldova_Centre+North
0.4 Dolgan

No question this person is very Southern, though that wasn't really the point of my interest. I just love the Mongoloid in Europe west/southwest of Russia/Ukraine/Belarus :swl

[Ikol]

very Montenegrin results

1 Baltic 28.39
2 North_Atlantic 27.26
3 West_Med 19.07
4 East_Med 13.43
5 West_Asian 7.34
6 Red_Sea 1.92
7 Amerindian 1.05
8 East_Asian 0.68
9 Oceanian 0.49
10 Northeast_African 0.37

mine is the same, are serbs from bosnia region from montenegro first?

[CommonSense]

Results of Serbian individuals with ancestry from Zalužnica, Lika and the surrounding villages. A good showcase of how the diversity and differences are usually more on an individual scale, rather than a regional one....at least as far as Serbs are concerned:

https://i.ibb.co/9Wkwmt1/image.png

[JohnnyP]

Father Serbian from Strpce (Kosovo) - Mother Macedonian from Tetovo.
A646536

Population
North_Atlantic 23.25 Pct
Baltic 24.62 Pct
West_Med 17.48 Pct
West_Asian 10.91 Pct
East_Med 22.65 Pct
Red_Sea 0.12 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.27 Pct
Amerindian 0.42 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.28 Pct

[Kaspias]

here are some which were already posted on apricity. i have some more private results which i won't post but these 3 pretty much show the entire range:


Jablanica(the region close to Leskovac):


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 27.19
2 North_Atlantic 22.22
3 West_Med 19.89
4 East_Med 17.8
5 West_Asian 8.06
6 Siberian 2.59
7 Red_Sea 1.43
8 Sub-Saharan 0.28
9 East_Asian 0.27
10 South_Asian 0.27

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 5.26
2 Bulgarian 5.64
3 Serbian 6.4
4 Moldavian 10.06
5 Croatian 12.74
6 Greek_Thessaly 12.88
7 Hungarian 13.48
8 Austrian 16.48
9 North_Italian 17.01
10 Tuscan 17.6
11 East_German 17.87
12 Ukrainian_Lviv 18.94
13 Italian_Abruzzo 19.76
14 South_Polish 19.83
15 Ukrainian 19.96
16 Central_Greek 20
17 West_Sicilian 20.5
18 West_German 20.95
19 French 21.03
20 East_Sicilian 21.13

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 61.4% Greek_Thessaly + 38.6% Ukrainian @ 3.73
2 54.9% Ukrainian + 45.1% South_Italian @ 4.04
3 70.9% Greek_Thessaly + 29.1% Estonian @ 4.12
4 50.3% Croatian + 49.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.13
5 50.7% Ukrainian + 49.3% West_Sicilian @ 4.16
6 60.2% Greek_Thessaly + 39.8% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.17
7 67.3% Greek_Thessaly + 32.7% Estonian_Polish @ 4.19
8 57.2% Moldavian + 42.8% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.24
9 89.1% Bulgarian + 10.9% East_Finnish @ 4.26
10 61.7% Tuscan + 38.3% Erzya @ 4.27
11 68.4% Greek_Thessaly + 31.6% Kargopol_Russian @ 4.27
12 61.4% Greek_Thessaly + 38.6% South_Polish @ 4.28
13 59.5% Ukrainian + 40.5% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.3
14 70.5% Croatian + 29.5% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.3
15 84.2% Bulgarian + 15.8% Ukrainian @ 4.31
16 71.4% Greek_Thessaly + 28.6% East_Finnish @ 4.31
17 87.9% Bulgarian + 12.1% Kargopol_Russian @ 4.33
18 75.9% Moldavian + 24.1% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.33
19 65.4% Greek_Thessaly + 34.6% Polish @ 4.34
20 77.1% Bulgarian + 22.9% Croatian @ 4.38




Thank you for posting. I highly believe that I have roots in this region.


By the way, having such an amount of Siberian and two other components should indicate something. Do you know the haplogroup?

6 Siberian 2.59
9 East_Asian 0.27
10 South_Asian 0.27

[vbnetkhio]

Thank you for posting. I highly believe that I have roots in this region.


By the way, having such an amount of Siberian and two other components should indicate something. Do you know the haplogroup?

6 Siberian 2.59
9 East_Asian 0.27
10 South_Asian 0.27

E-V13.

local legends say Shopi have origins from Cumans or Pechenegs, what do you think?

[CommonSense]

E-V13.

local legends say Shopi have origins from Cumans or Pechenegs, what do you think?

He's E-V22 actually, an extremely rare haplogroup.

[vbnetkhio]

He's E-V22 actually, an extremely rare haplogroup.

he is? his gedmatch profile says E-V13

[CommonSense]

he is? his gedmatch profile says E-V13

It must be a typo or a leftover from before he found out his specific haplogroup:

https://i.ibb.co/pWwMV4J/image.png

Btw, on forum.krstarica his username is 'Clint'. He used to comment on genetics-related topics, mentioning his own Y-DNA as well.

[Kaspias]

E-V13.

local legends say Shopi have origins from Cumans or Pechenegs, what do you think?

I'm aware of it. I don't know what is the source of this claim and couldn't find enough amount of samples to investigate it. Even if it is true;

1- Weren't the actual descendants of Pecheneks/Cumans converted to Turkish when Ottomans came?
2- By thinking they stayed in the region until now, would their "alien" admixture be visible?

I have several researches on SE Serbia on Turkish(Ottoman) sources. Registers show that there is a legit Turkic settlement in the region. For example, in 1500, 75% of Nis is Muslim, around 50% is ethnic Turk and the rest is local converts. For Turkic's, there is three community:

1- Today's Balkan Turks who are actually from Southern Balkans, later migrated to North as they are given lands from there.
2- Colonizator Ottoman Turk population and dervishes, who migrated from Anatolia to Turkify region.
3- Tatars expelled from Anatolia(Tokat) to the region.

Here, the first two are almost certain that went back as Ottomans lost their lands. What if Tatars were remained and mixed there?


https://i.ibb.co/9Gz0tjH/ka.png

[vbnetkhio]

I'm aware of it. I don't know what is the source of this claim and couldn't find enough amount of samples to investigate it. Even if it is true;

1- Weren't the actual descendants of Pecheneks/Cumans converted to Turkish when Ottomans came?
2- By thinking they stayed in the region until now, would their "alien" admixture be visible?

I have several researches on SE Serbia on Turkish(Ottoman) sources. Registers show that there is a legit Turkic settlement in the region. For example, in 1500, 75% of Nis is Muslim, around 50% is ethnic Turk and the rest is local converts. For Turkic's, there is three community:

1- Today's Balkan Turks who are actually from Southern Balkans, later migrated to North as they are given lands from there.
2- Colonizator Ottoman Turk population and dervishes, who migrated from Anatolia to Turkify region.
3- Tatars expelled from Anatolia(Tokat) to the region.

Here, the first two are almost certain that went back as Ottomans lost their lands. What if Tatars were remained and mixed there?


https://i.ibb.co/9Gz0tjH/ka.png

yeah, i think Pechenegs and Cumans left 0-3% Autosomal influence and maybe some weird Q or N subclade here and there.

as for the Tatars, such a population would hardly be accepted by rural Slavic populations. is there any indication that this Q subclade is specifically Tatar ,and not from some other Asian people?

[Kaspias]

yeah, i think Pechenegs and Cumans left 0-3% Autosomal influence and maybe some weird Q or N subclade here and there.

as for the Tatars, such a population would hardly be accepted by rural Slavic populations. is there any indication that this Q subclade is specifically Tatar ,and not from some other Asian people?

0-3% Eastern influence on autosomal would be equal to a total 10% influence by considering Cuman/Pecheneks was carrying around 30% East Eurasian. I also think we can catch it with current data if we run an updated K13 spreadsheet in nMonte as K=100. I checked his other gedmatch results today and was able to catch 91% Romanian + 9% Chuvash - 93% Romanian + 7% Altaian in one calculator.

Confirmed Cuman clade is Q-L713(also found in Serbia, yet in Vojvodina.) Destiny of L330 is not much known. It appears to be concentrated on Altai among Turkic/Yeniseian/Mongol(some specific tribes) and their descendants migrated to further west.(L332 in Hungary, L330 in Siberian Tatars, Khanty-Mansi, Lithuanian Tatars) There are 3 L330 individuals from the Balkans, one appears to be from Ioannina as a Romaniote Jew, one is that guy from Gulijan, and the other is I.

But this is a coincidence, because my suspicion about my roots there was on my maternal line, not paternal.

[Dušan]

K13 is overrated. K10 is way better.

Using 2 populations approximation
1 50% Russia_Smolensk345 + 50% GreeceNE11 @ 0.582
2 50% Russia_Smolensk339 + 50% GreeceCentral5 @ 0.608
3 50% GreeceMacedonia3 + 50% GermanA5 @ 0.650
4 50% Bosnian_4 + 50% Serbian_Serbia16 @ 0.664
5 50% Russia_Smolensk349 + 50% GreeceCentral6 @ 0.678
6 50% GreeceNE144 + 50% Belarusian4 @ 0.689
7 50% Macedonian12 + 50% Slovakia77 @ 0.703
8 50% Kosovo_Albanian11 + 50% Pole_Poland3 @ 0.711
9 50% RussianKursk9 + 50% Macedonian2 @ 0.733
10 50% RussianVoronez107 + 50% Kosovo_Albanian7 @ 0.741
11 50% Russia_Smolensk312 + 50% Albanian_ALB230 @ 0.743
12 50% Hungary4 + 50% BulgarianF2 @ 0.746
13 50% Kosovo_Albanian16 + 50% Pole_Poland2 @ 0.754
14 50% RussianKursk9 + 50% BulgarianD6 @ 0.773
15 50% Poland142 + 50% Kosovo_Albanian11 @ 0.776
16 50% Albanian_ALB213 + 50% RussianOrjol45 @ 0.780
17 50% Serbian_B-H11 + 50% Serbian_Serbia16 @ 0.797
18 50% Gagauz20 + 50% Czech_NA15727 @ 0.804
19 50% Bosnian_10 + 50% Moldova_North @ 0.808
20 50% Russia_Smolensk345 + 50% Macedonian8 @ 0.820

[Mingle]

Serb from Bosnian Krajina

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 31.25
2 North_Atlantic 23.01
3 West_Med 16.01
4 East_Med 14.88
5 West_Asian 12.31
6 East_Asian 1.05
7 Red_Sea 0.85
8 Siberian 0.33
9 South_Asian 0.25
10 Amerindian 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 5.48
2 Serbian 5.88
3 Romanian 7.01
4 Bulgarian 8.18
5 Croatian 8.47
6 Hungarian 10.54
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 14.41
8 Austrian 14.42
9 South_Polish 15.36
10 East_German 15.47
11 Ukrainian 15.56
12 Greek_Thessaly 17.17
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 18.35
14 Southwest_Russian 18.38
15 Polish 18.82
16 Russian_Smolensk 20.47
17 West_German 20.51
18 Estonian_Polish 21.12
19 Tatar 21.3
20 North_Italian 21.64

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 69.7% Bulgarian + 30.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.08
2 66.4% Bulgarian + 33.6% Ukrainian @ 2.51
3 72.3% Bulgarian + 27.7% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.51
4 70.1% Bulgarian + 29.9% Southwest_Russian @ 2.55
5 77% Bulgarian + 23% Lithuanian @ 2.58
6 64.6% Bulgarian + 35.4% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.62
7 61.7% Moldavian + 38.3% Bulgarian @ 2.65
8 70.8% Bulgarian + 29.2% Polish @ 2.83
9 60.8% Ukrainian + 39.2% Central_Greek @ 2.85
10 73.2% Bulgarian + 26.8% Estonian_Polish @ 2.85
11 84.4% Croatian + 15.6% Armenian @ 2.88
12 66.3% Bulgarian + 33.7% South_Polish @ 2.9
13 74% Romanian + 26% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.9
14 84.4% Croatian + 15.6% Assyrian @ 2.93
15 89.2% Moldavian + 10.8% Cyprian @ 2.96
16 73.9% Bulgarian + 26.1% Belorussian @ 2.98
17 51% Bulgarian + 49% Croatian @ 2.99
18 84.4% Croatian + 15.6% Georgian_Jewish @ 3.05
19 82.9% Croatian + 17.1% Cyprian @ 3.06
20 51.7% Greek_Thessaly + 48.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.07

[Leto]

Serb from Bosnian Krajina

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 31.25
2 North_Atlantic 23.01
3 West_Med 16.01
4 East_Med 14.88
5 West_Asian 12.31
6 East_Asian 1.05
7 Red_Sea 0.85
8 Siberian 0.33
9 South_Asian 0.25
10 Amerindian 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 5.48
2 Serbian 5.88
3 Romanian 7.01
4 Bulgarian 8.18
5 Croatian 8.47
6 Hungarian 10.54
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 14.41
8 Austrian 14.42
9 South_Polish 15.36
10 East_German 15.47
11 Ukrainian 15.56
12 Greek_Thessaly 17.17
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 18.35
14 Southwest_Russian 18.38
15 Polish 18.82
16 Russian_Smolensk 20.47
17 West_German 20.51
18 Estonian_Polish 21.12
19 Tatar 21.3
20 North_Italian 21.64

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 69.7% Bulgarian + 30.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.08
2 66.4% Bulgarian + 33.6% Ukrainian @ 2.51
3 72.3% Bulgarian + 27.7% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.51
4 70.1% Bulgarian + 29.9% Southwest_Russian @ 2.55
5 77% Bulgarian + 23% Lithuanian @ 2.58
6 64.6% Bulgarian + 35.4% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.62
7 61.7% Moldavian + 38.3% Bulgarian @ 2.65
8 70.8% Bulgarian + 29.2% Polish @ 2.83
9 60.8% Ukrainian + 39.2% Central_Greek @ 2.85
10 73.2% Bulgarian + 26.8% Estonian_Polish @ 2.85
11 84.4% Croatian + 15.6% Armenian @ 2.88
12 66.3% Bulgarian + 33.7% South_Polish @ 2.9
13 74% Romanian + 26% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.9
14 84.4% Croatian + 15.6% Assyrian @ 2.93
15 89.2% Moldavian + 10.8% Cyprian @ 2.96
16 73.9% Bulgarian + 26.1% Belorussian @ 2.98
17 51% Bulgarian + 49% Croatian @ 2.99
18 84.4% Croatian + 15.6% Georgian_Jewish @ 3.05
19 82.9% Croatian + 17.1% Cyprian @ 3.06
20 51.7% Greek_Thessaly + 48.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.07
Post his Dodecad K12b components for Vahaduo.

[CommonSense]

Mihajlović, from Topola, Šumadija

Y-DNA: R1b-Y84624



Kit ZZ8256792

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 26.99
2 North_Atlantic 23.07
3 West_Med 20.37
4 East_Med 15.34
5 West_Asian 9.88
6 Siberian 1.59
7 Amerindian 1.46
8 Red_Sea 0.88
9 East_Asian 0.41
10 Oceanian 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 5
2 Serbian 5.95
3 Bulgarian 6.04
4 Moldavian 8.94
5 Croatian 11.73
6 Hungarian 12.46
7 Greek_Thessaly 13.78
8 Austrian 15.23
9 East_German 16.6
10 North_Italian 16.89
11 Tuscan 18.08
12 Ukrainian_Lviv 18.09
13 South_Polish 19.08
14 Ukrainian 19.22
15 West_German 19.73
16 French 20.05
17 Italian_Abruzzo 20.24
18 Central_Greek 20.75
19 South_Dutch 21.09
20 Portuguese 21.11

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.3% Moldavian + 17.7% Sardinian @ 3.82
2 62.1% Moldavian + 37.9% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.87
3 72.3% Moldavian + 27.7% West_Sicilian @ 3.9
4 68.7% Moldavian + 31.3% Tuscan @ 3.91
5 54.4% Croatian + 45.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.93
6 63.9% Bulgarian + 36.1% Moldavian @ 3.99
7 71% Bulgarian + 29% Croatian @ 4.02
8 75.5% Moldavian + 24.5% South_Italian @ 4.04
9 69.1% Croatian + 30.9% South_Italian @ 4.06
10 58.8% Greek_Thessaly + 41.2% Ukrainian @ 4.09
11 56.7% Ukrainian + 43.3% South_Italian @ 4.15
12 65% Croatian + 35% Central_Greek @ 4.16
13 81.1% Bulgarian + 18.9% Ukrainian @ 4.17
14 74.2% Romanian + 25.8% Moldavian @ 4.18
15 80.3% Bulgarian + 19.7% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.22
16 72% Moldavian + 28% Central_Greek @ 4.23
17 57.3% Greek_Thessaly + 42.7% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.3
18 81.2% Romanian + 18.8% Croatian @ 4.32
19 84% Bulgarian + 16% Polish @ 4.34
20 88.3% Romanian + 11.7% Ukrainian @ 4.34

[Mingle]

Post his Dodecad K12b components for Vahaduo.

X,5.92,0.33,0.58,0,26.71,39.16,0.34,0.09,3.85,0,23 .02,0

[PaleoEuropean]

Some balkanites tend to have higher Baltic score, but that's on individual level depending on how much they mixed with more slavic influenced people.

Baltic is heavy in HG dna so it's probably a reflection of that.

[Leto]

X,
5.92,
0.33,
0.58,
0,
26.71,
39.16,
0.34,
0.09,
3.85,
0,
23.02,
0
Distance to: X
2.41646436 Serb
4.23932778 Montenegrin
4.66090120 R.Moldova_Centre+North
5.05870537 Bosnian
5.25702387 HUN_Szekely
5.96091436 Macedonian
6.03573525 Croat
7.12301902 Pomak
7.60867925 Romanians
8.81973923 R.Moldova_South

Target: X
Distance: 1.8111% / 1.81108321 | ADC: 0.5x
97.2 Serb
2.8 Dargin

Target: X
Distance: 1.4663% / 1.46626416 | ADC: 0.25x
85.2 Serb
10.6 Croat
2.6 Adygei
1.6 Dargin

[Mingle]

Montenegrin from Bijelo Polje and Kolašin with mixed Muslim Slavic/Bosniak & Orthodox/Serb ancestry (no known Albanian ancestry)

Eurogenes K13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 26.4
2 East_Med 22.68
3 Baltic 21.46
4 West_Med 16.62
5 West_Asian 9.18
6 Red_Sea 2.35
7 Amerindian 0.67
8 East_Asian 0.55
9 Siberian 0.08

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 5.52
2 Bulgarian 5.81
3 Serbian 8.09
4 Greek_Thessaly 9.39
5 Tuscan 12.36
6 North_Italian 13.12
7 Italian_Abruzzo 14.2
8 Moldavian 15.29
9 Hungarian 15.48
10 West_Sicilian 15.49
11 Central_Greek 15.87
12 East_Sicilian 16.86
13 Croatian 17.41
14 Austrian 17.43
15 Ashkenazi 17.75
16 French 18.5
17 Portuguese 18.64
18 West_German 19.19
19 South_Italian 19.62
20 Spanish_Galicia 19.64

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 61.2% Hungarian + 38.8% Italian_Jewish @ 2.36
2 50.5% Austrian + 49.5% Ashkenazi @ 2.53
3 52.6% Ashkenazi + 47.4% East_German @ 2.57
4 53.5% Hungarian + 46.5% Ashkenazi @ 2.84
5 76.1% Serbian + 23.9% Italian_Jewish @ 2.89
6 61.9% Hungarian + 38.1% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.15
7 61.6% Hungarian + 38.4% Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.21
8 70.2% Serbian + 29.8% Ashkenazi @ 3.29
9 76.6% Serbian + 23.4% Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.3
10 56.1% Hungarian + 43.9% South_Italian @ 3.34
11 76.9% Greek_Thessaly + 23.1% North_Swedish @ 3.4
12 67.3% Serbian + 32.7% West_Sicilian @ 3.42
13 61.2% West_Sicilian + 38.8% South_Polish @ 3.58
14 77.2% Serbian + 22.8% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.59
15 52.3% Hungarian + 47.7% East_Sicilian @ 3.62
16 76.8% Greek_Thessaly + 23.2% Swedish @ 3.62
17 79.4% Serbian + 20.6% Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.63
18 55.3% East_German + 44.7% Italian_Jewish @ 3.64
19 65.5% Serbian + 34.5% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.64
20 50% West_Sicilian + 50% Hungarian @ 3.64

Dodecad K12b

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 33.19
2 Atlantic_Med 27.71
3 Caucasus 25.68
4 Southwest_Asian 8.26
5 Gedrosia 4.21
6 Southeast_Asian 0.95

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanians (Behar) 5.51
2 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 6.08
3 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 6.58
4 O_Italian (Dodecad) 12.29
5 N_Italian (Dodecad) 15.82
6 Greek (Dodecad) 15.96
7 TSI30 (Metspalu) 16.67
8 Tuscan (HGDP) 16.96
9 Hungarians (Behar) 17.09
10 C_Italian (Dodecad) 17.32
11 North_Italian (HGDP) 18.71
12 German (Dodecad) 21.43
13 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 22.48
14 Sicilian (Dodecad) 22.49
15 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 22.8
16 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 22.88
17 French (Dodecad) 22.96
18 French (HGDP) 23.01
19 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 24.18
20 Baleares (1000Genomes) 25.23

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 56.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 43.1% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.21
2 51.8% Greek (Dodecad) + 48.2% Hungarians (Behar) @ 2.45
3 71.6% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 28.4% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.51
4 58.4% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 41.6% Polish (Dodecad) @ 2.53
5 56.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 43.1% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.61
6 66.9% Greek (Dodecad) + 33.1% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 2.62
7 63.9% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 36.1% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.64
8 71.2% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 28.8% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 2.7
9 65.8% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 34.2% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 2.7
10 57.4% Hungarians (Behar) + 42.6% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 2.77
11 67.8% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 32.2% Belorussian (Behar) @ 2.8
12 67.8% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 32.2% Russian (Dodecad) @ 2.81
13 72.8% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 27.2% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 2.83
14 84.1% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 15.9% Cataluna (1000Genomes) @ 2.83
15 82.5% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 17.5% Galicia (1000Genomes) @ 2.84
16 85.4% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 14.6% Castilla_La_Mancha (1000Genomes) @ 2.84
17 75.1% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 24.9% Russian_B (Behar) @ 2.88
18 75.1% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 24.9% Belorussian (Behar) @ 2.88
19 57.3% Hungarians (Behar) + 42.7% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 2.9
20 89.4% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 10.6% Pais_Vasco (1000Genomes) @ 2.91

[Mingle]

Montenegrin
Nikšić
Drobnjak
I2a

Eurogenes K13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 27.36
2 North_Atlantic 22.14
3 West_Med 18.76
4 East_Med 16.45
5 West_Asian 12.35
6 South_Asian 1.45
7 Sub-Saharan 0.51
8 Red_Sea 0.46
9 Siberian 0.43
10 Oceanian 0.1

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 4.4
2 Bulgarian 4.86
3 Serbian 6.17
4 Moldavian 8.98
5 Croatian 12.1
6 Hungarian 13.13
7 Greek_Thessaly 13.22
8 Austrian 16.14
9 East_German 17.57
10 North_Italian 18.17
11 Ukrainian_Lviv 18.4
12 Tuscan 18.65
13 South_Polish 19.33
14 Ukrainian 19.58
15 Italian_Abruzzo 19.73
16 Central_Greek 20.01
17 West_German 20.82
18 West_Sicilian 21.24
19 East_Sicilian 21.42
20 French 21.56

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 68.2% Bulgarian + 31.8% Moldavian @ 2.77
2 75.5% Bulgarian + 24.5% Croatian @ 3.02
3 83.6% Bulgarian + 16.4% Ukrainian @ 3.03
4 82.8% Bulgarian + 17.2% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.06
5 60.4% Moldavian + 39.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.1
6 70.1% Moldavian + 29.9% Central_Greek @ 3.11
7 74.2% Moldavian + 25.8% South_Italian @ 3.14
8 86.1% Bulgarian + 13.9% Polish @ 3.19
9 83.9% Bulgarian + 16.1% South_Polish @ 3.19
10 86.1% Bulgarian + 13.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.22
11 87.8% Bulgarian + 12.2% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.22
12 87.1% Bulgarian + 12.9% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.22
13 89.2% Bulgarian + 10.8% Lithuanian @ 3.24
14 87.5% Bulgarian + 12.5% Estonian_Polish @ 3.3
15 86.3% Bulgarian + 13.7% Southwest_Russian @ 3.3
16 88.5% Bulgarian + 11.5% Erzya @ 3.32
17 89.5% Bulgarian + 10.5% Estonian @ 3.38
18 88.2% Bulgarian + 11.8% Belorussian @ 3.43
19 50.6% Ukrainian + 49.4% Central_Greek @ 3.43
20 63% Croatian + 37% Central_Greek @ 3.49

Dodecad K12b

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 37
2 Atlantic_Med 26.09
3 Caucasus 24.83
4 Gedrosia 5.13
5 Southwest_Asian 3.83
6 Northwest_African 1.64
7 South_Asian 1.48

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanians (Behar) 4.78
2 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 6.46
3 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 7.08
4 Hungarians (Behar) 13.2
5 O_Italian (Dodecad) 16.46
6 German (Dodecad) 18.35
7 N_Italian (Dodecad) 18.85
8 Greek (Dodecad) 20.12
9 TSI30 (Metspalu) 20.66
10 Tuscan (HGDP) 21.01
11 C_Italian (Dodecad) 21.54
12 North_Italian (HGDP) 21.88
13 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 22
14 French (Dodecad) 22.58
15 French (HGDP) 22.73
16 Dutch (Dodecad) 23.6
17 Kent (1000Genomes) 25.49
18 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 25.69
19 English (Dodecad) 25.88
20 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 26.32

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 78.2% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 21.8% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 2.16
2 82.2% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 17.8% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 2.21
3 86.9% Romanians (Behar) + 13.1% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 2.22
4 83.8% Romanians (Behar) + 16.2% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 2.22
5 79.5% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 20.5% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 2.23
6 82.6% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 17.4% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 2.24
7 82.7% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 17.3% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 2.28
8 80.9% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 19.1% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 2.29
9 81% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 19% English (Dodecad) @ 2.31
10 82.6% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 17.4% Irish (Dodecad) @ 2.31
11 87.3% Romanians (Behar) + 12.7% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 2.32
12 87.3% Romanians (Behar) + 12.7% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 2.32
13 87.3% Romanians (Behar) + 12.7% Irish (Dodecad) @ 2.33
14 86% Romanians (Behar) + 14% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 2.34
15 84.9% Romanians (Behar) + 15.1% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 2.34
16 86.1% Romanians (Behar) + 13.9% English (Dodecad) @ 2.35
17 86% Romanians (Behar) + 14% Kent (1000Genomes) @ 2.37
18 81.8% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 18.2% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 2.37
19 80.9% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 19.1% Kent (1000Genomes) @ 2.37
20 86.9% Romanians (Behar) + 13.1% Cornwall (1000Genomes) @ 2.4

[Mingle]

Muslim from Sjenica (origins in Pljevlja)

Eurogenes K13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 23.14
2 North_Atlantic 22.99
3 West_Med 20.46
4 East_Med 18.98
5 West_Asian 10.63
6 Siberian 2.01
7 Red_Sea 1.6
8 South_Asian 0.2

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 3.61
2 Romanian 3.95
3 Serbian 7.5
4 Greek_Thessaly 9.41
5 Moldavian 12.99
6 Tuscan 13.88
7 North_Italian 13.92
8 Hungarian 15.45
9 Italian_Abruzzo 15.65
10 Croatian 15.82
11 Central_Greek 16.31
12 West_Sicilian 16.79
13 East_Sicilian 17.59
14 Austrian 17.68
15 Ashkenazi 19.48
16 East_German 19.56
17 Portuguese 19.7
18 French 19.96
19 Spanish_Galicia 20.24
20 South_Italian 20.42

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 91.4% Romanian + 8.6% Sardinian @ 2.09
2 89.7% Bulgarian + 10.3% Southwest_French @ 2.34
3 93.2% Bulgarian + 6.8% French_Basque @ 2.45
4 89.9% Bulgarian + 10.1% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.47
5 89.3% Bulgarian + 10.7% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.49
6 90.9% Bulgarian + 9.1% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.51
7 93.2% Bulgarian + 6.8% Sardinian @ 2.54
8 89.9% Bulgarian + 10.1% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.54
9 89.5% Bulgarian + 10.5% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.57
10 88.9% Bulgarian + 11.1% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.59
11 89.3% Bulgarian + 10.7% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.64
12 84.8% Bulgarian + 15.2% North_Italian @ 2.66
13 89.5% Bulgarian + 10.5% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.66
14 89.8% Bulgarian + 10.2% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.67
15 89.9% Bulgarian + 10.1% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.67
16 89% Bulgarian + 11% Portuguese @ 2.68
17 91% Bulgarian + 9% French @ 3.04
18 78.9% Romanian + 21.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.15
19 88.7% Bulgarian + 11.3% Tuscan @ 3.17
20 85.7% Romanian + 14.3% Tuscan @ 3.24

Dodecad K12b

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 31.78
2 Atlantic_Med 29.7
3 Caucasus 24.42
4 Southwest_Asian 6.59
5 Gedrosia 5.87
6 South_Asian 1
7 Siberian 0.53
8 Northwest_African 0.11

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanians (Behar) 7.6
2 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 8.39
3 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 8.73
4 O_Italian (Dodecad) 10.67
5 N_Italian (Dodecad) 13.19
6 TSI30 (Metspalu) 14.78
7 Tuscan (HGDP) 15.27
8 C_Italian (Dodecad) 16.14
9 North_Italian (HGDP) 16.27
10 Greek (Dodecad) 16.28
11 Hungarians (Behar) 17.5
12 German (Dodecad) 20.69
13 French (Dodecad) 20.7
14 French (HGDP) 20.72
15 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 22.08
16 Sicilian (Dodecad) 22.12
17 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 22.47
18 Baleares (1000Genomes) 22.55
19 Galicia (1000Genomes) 22.85
20 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 23.09

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 65.9% Greek (Dodecad) + 34.1% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 1.6
2 78% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 22% Russian (Dodecad) @ 1.62
3 76.5% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 23.5% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 1.64
4 56% Greek (Dodecad) + 44% German (Dodecad) @ 1.68
5 66% Greek (Dodecad) + 34% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 1.71
6 80.6% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 19.4% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 1.74
7 81.7% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 18.3% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 1.76
8 75.6% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 24.4% Polish (Dodecad) @ 1.83
9 78.1% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 21.9% Belorussian (Behar) @ 1.85
10 82.2% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 17.8% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 1.92
11 62.4% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 37.6% Hungarians (Behar) @ 1.96
12 81.7% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 18.3% FIN30 (1000Genomes) @ 1.97
13 75.2% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 24.8% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 1.97
14 78.1% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 21.9% Russian_B (Behar) @ 1.97
15 78.6% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 21.4% Russian (HGDP) @ 2
16 77.8% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 22.2% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.09
17 52.8% German (Dodecad) + 47.2% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 2.13
18 63.6% German (Dodecad) + 36.4% Cypriots (Behar) @ 2.16
19 55.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 44.1% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.27
20 76.2% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 23.8% Cataluna (1000Genomes) @ 2.31

[Mingle]

Muslim from Novi Pazar

Eurogenes K13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 25.78
2 Baltic 23.91
3 East_Med 19.04
4 West_Med 18.57
5 West_Asian 6.77
6 Red_Sea 4.13
7 Siberian 0.93
8 South_Asian 0.42
9 Amerindian 0.31
10 East_Asian 0.14

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 4.8
2 Serbian 5.74
3 Bulgarian 6.16
4 Greek_Thessaly 11.5
5 Moldavian 12.4
6 Hungarian 13.18
7 North_Italian 13.55
8 Tuscan 14.21
9 Croatian 14.4
10 Austrian 15.21
11 East_German 17.15
12 Italian_Abruzzo 17.27
13 French 17.49
14 Portuguese 17.87
15 West_Sicilian 17.97
16 West_German 18.21
17 Spanish_Galicia 18.34
18 Central_Greek 18.55
19 Spanish_Extremadura 19.14
20 East_Sicilian 19.38

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 64.3% Tuscan + 35.7% Southwest_Russian @ 2.18
2 66% Tuscan + 34% Estonian_Polish @ 2.19
3 66.5% Tuscan + 33.5% Belorussian @ 2.42
4 69.9% Tuscan + 30.1% Lithuanian @ 2.51
5 65.8% Tuscan + 34.2% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.52
6 63.9% West_Sicilian + 36.1% Estonian @ 2.55
7 64.9% Tuscan + 35.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.64
8 58.1% West_Sicilian + 41.9% Polish @ 2.65
9 60.9% West_Sicilian + 39.1% Belorussian @ 2.75
10 60.5% West_Sicilian + 39.5% Estonian_Polish @ 2.77
11 54.3% West_Sicilian + 45.7% South_Polish @ 2.85
12 61.1% Tuscan + 38.9% Ukrainian @ 2.88
13 68.8% Tuscan + 31.2% Erzya @ 2.92
14 55.2% West_Sicilian + 44.8% Ukrainian @ 2.95
15 64.7% West_Sicilian + 35.3% Lithuanian @ 2.96
16 59.8% Tuscan + 40.2% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3
17 60.3% West_Sicilian + 39.7% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.08
18 50.4% Tuscan + 49.6% Croatian @ 3.09
19 67.7% Tuscan + 32.3% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.11
20 55.7% Croatian + 44.3% West_Sicilian @ 3.12

Dodecad K12b

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 33.14
2 Caucasus 27.8
3 Atlantic_Med 27.03
4 Southwest_Asian 7.2
5 Gedrosia 3.32
6 Northwest_African 0.76
7 East_Asian 0.67
8 Sub_Saharan 0.08

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanians (Behar) 4.09
2 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 4.15
3 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 4.35
4 O_Italian (Dodecad) 12.39
5 Greek (Dodecad) 14.9
6 N_Italian (Dodecad) 16.62
7 TSI30 (Metspalu) 16.84
8 Tuscan (HGDP) 16.91
9 C_Italian (Dodecad) 17.03
10 Hungarians (Behar) 17.86
11 North_Italian (HGDP) 19.44
12 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 21.83
13 Sicilian (Dodecad) 21.87
14 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 21.96
15 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 22.01
16 German (Dodecad) 22.74
17 French (Dodecad) 24.6
18 French (HGDP) 24.63
19 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 25.75
20 Baleares (1000Genomes) 26.36

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88.1% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 11.9% Murcia (1000Genomes) @ 1.09
2 54.5% Greek (Dodecad) + 45.5% Hungarians (Behar) @ 1.1
3 87.1% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 12.9% Galicia (1000Genomes) @ 1.19
4 89.2% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 10.8% Castilla_La_Mancha (1000Genomes) @ 1.2
5 86.9% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 13.1% Baleares (1000Genomes) @ 1.23
6 88.8% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 11.2% Spanish (Dodecad) @ 1.28
7 88.4% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 11.6% Castilla_Y_Leon (1000Genomes) @ 1.3
8 88.5% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 11.5% Spaniards (Behar) @ 1.3
9 89.7% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 10.3% Aragon (1000Genomes) @ 1.33
10 87.6% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 12.4% Extremadura (1000Genomes) @ 1.34
11 89.2% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 10.8% Cantabria (1000Genomes) @ 1.35
12 87.7% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 12.3% Portuguese (Dodecad) @ 1.38
13 88.9% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 11.1% Andalucia (1000Genomes) @ 1.38
14 89.4% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 10.6% Valencia (1000Genomes) @ 1.39
15 88.5% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 11.5% Cataluna (1000Genomes) @ 1.41
16 81% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 19% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.48
17 93.1% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 6.9% French_Basque (HGDP) @ 1.48
18 83.4% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 16.6% North_Italian (HGDP) @ 1.51
19 92.4% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 7.6% Pais_Vasco (1000Genomes) @ 1.52
20 88.8% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 11.2% Canarias (1000Genomes) @ 1.75

[Ikol]

WHen i look at my matches in gedmatch, i match a lot with irish and english names.. Do u match with irish and english people to?

[Mingle]

WHen i look at my matches in gedmatch, i match a lot with irish and english names.. Do u match with irish and english people to?This happens to everyone, even me (non-European). It probably has to do with the fact so many British origin people uploaded to GEDmatch compared to people from other nationalities.

[vbnetkhio]

@Ion Basescul

yes, i made them. with help from Mingle, CommonSense and Peterski.

this is their official thread.

[Ion Basescul]

@Ion Basescul

yes, i made them. with help from Mingle, CommonSense and Peterski.

this is their official thread.

I was asking, because I'm sharing this folk and am wondering if they were already calculated for the average

https://i.imgur.com/TpouqWm.png


Serb_RS_Bosnia,21.98,29.93,14.58,10.06,16.89,4.11, 0.09,0,0.36,1.55,0.45,0,0
Serb_Central_Šumadija,24.18,29.10,18.99,9.04,15.20 ,1.08,0.72,0.17,0.99,0.36,0.18,0.00,0.00
Serb_Croatia_Lika-Senj,25.19,29.36,17.05,8.62,15.93,1.54,0.42,0.22,0 .64,0.60,0.25,0.16,0.04

[vbnetkhio]

I was asking, because I'm sharing this folk and am wondering if they were already calculated for the average

https://i.imgur.com/TpouqWm.png


Serb_RS_Bosnia,21.98,29.93,14.58,10.06,16.89,4.11, 0.09,0,0.36,1.55,0.45,0,0
Serb_Central_Šumadija,24.18,29.10,18.99,9.04,15.20 ,1.08,0.72,0.17,0.99,0.36,0.18,0.00,0.00
Serb_Croatia_Lika-Senj,25.19,29.36,17.05,8.62,15.93,1.54,0.42,0.22,0 .64,0.60,0.25,0.16,0.04

you can see they are quite similar to each other, and similar to some Romanian/Moldavian regions, despite some of them live next to central European Croats .

[MandM]

Mine...Serb..from..vojvodina

K13
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 29.18
2 North_Atlantic 20.84
3 West_Med 19.78
4 East_Med 14.96
5 West_Asian 9.81
6 Red_Sea 2.36
7 South_Asian 1.31
8 Amerindian 0.83
9 Oceanian 0.51
10 Siberian 0.42

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 6.48
2 Serbian 6.89
3 Bulgarian 6.95
4 Moldavian 7.78
5 Croatian 10.79
6 Hungarian 13
7 Greek_Thessaly 14.73
8 Austrian 16.24
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 16.81
10 East_German 17.3
11 Ukrainian 18.07
12 South_Polish 18.23
13 North_Italian 19.35
14 Tuscan 20.12
15 Southwest_Russian 21.24
16 Polish 21.38
17 Ukrainian_Belgorod 21.48
18 West_German 21.65
19 Central_Greek 21.72
20 Italian_Abruzzo 21.76

[Dušan]

Welcome Milenko, congratulation on results!
Could you post your K15 and K36 results?

[MandM]

k15...i..think??
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 18.07
2 West_Med 16.08
3 Eastern_Euro 14.68
4 North_Sea 13.53
5 Atlantic 13.39
6 East_Med 12.19
7 West_Asian 8.89
8 Red_Sea 1.67
9 South_Asian 0.72
10 Amerindian 0.52
11 Oceanian 0.26

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 6.8
2 Bulgarian 7.13
3 Serbian 7.58
4 Moldavian 8.03
5 Croatian 10.19
6 Hungarian 12.6
7 Austrian 13.17
8 Greek_Thessaly 13.66
9 Greek 14.06
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 15.92
11 Ukrainian 16.51
12 South_Polish 16.58
13 East_German 16.63
14 North_Italian 17.44
15 Tuscan 17.62
16 Ukrainian_Belgorod 18.82
17 Russian_Smolensk 19.06
18 Polish 19.07
19 Southwest_Russian 19.47
20 Ashkenazi 19.53

[MandM]

k36..didint..take..the..ones..that..had..nothing

Population
Armenian 3.92 Pct
Basque 1.18 Pct
Central_Euro 1.98 Pct
East_Balkan 9.89 Pct
East_Central_Euro 13.83 Pct
East_Med 9.44 Pct
Eastern_Euro 11.58 Pct
Fennoscandian 3.95 Pct
French 2.64 Pct
Iberian 11.33 Pct
Italian 11.15 Pct
Near_Eastern 1.05 Pct
North_African 0.08 Pct
North_Atlantic 3.84 Pct
North_Caucasian 2.62 Pct
North_Sea 5.39 Pct
South_Central_Asian 0.36 Pct
Volga-Ural 0.84 Pct
West_Caucasian 1.43 Pct
West_Med 3.49 Pct

[Dušan]

This is your position on graph according K15 result:

https://i.imgur.com/00omOlo.png

This is your K36 map:

https://i.imgur.com/WSX8XGj.png


You have usual result for native Vojvodina Serbs.

[MandM]

Thank you Dušan for the maps

[MandM]

Thank you Dušan for the maps

[Lucas]

T
This is your K36 map:

https://i.imgur.com/WSX8XGj.png


You have usual result for native Vojvodina Serbs.
I asked Tolan if he could make new similitude map for k15 or k13 updated sheet form Vahaduo, besides k36.
K13 would be much better for Balkanites.

[vbnetkhio]

k36..didint..take..the..ones..that..had..nothing

Population
Armenian 3.92 Pct
Basque 1.18 Pct
Central_Euro 1.98 Pct
East_Balkan 9.89 Pct
East_Central_Euro 13.83 Pct
East_Med 9.44 Pct
Eastern_Euro 11.58 Pct
Fennoscandian 3.95 Pct
French 2.64 Pct
Iberian 11.33 Pct
Italian 11.15 Pct
Near_Eastern 1.05 Pct
North_African 0.08 Pct
North_Atlantic 3.84 Pct
North_Caucasian 2.62 Pct
North_Sea 5.39 Pct
South_Central_Asian 0.36 Pct
Volga-Ural 0.84 Pct
West_Caucasian 1.43 Pct
West_Med 3.49 Pct

some more maps for you based on k36.

https://i.imgur.com/ulpW8Nm.png

prediction of your location
https://i.imgur.com/3wOZGX0.png

[Dušan]

I asked Tolan if he could make new similitude map for k15 or k13 updated sheet form Vahaduo, besides k36.
K13 would be much better for Balkanites.

Great, it would be nice.

[Dušan]

some more maps for you based on k36.

https://i.imgur.com/ulpW8Nm.png


Could you do the same for me?



Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 0.30 Pct
Armenian 0.29 Pct
Basque 3.64 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 7.21 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 10.17 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 16.16 Pct
East_Med 5.37 Pct
Eastern_Euro 10.29 Pct
Fennoscandian 4.12 Pct
French 1.71 Pct
Iberian 6.25 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 15.44 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African 0.12 Pct
North_Atlantic -
North_Caucasian 2.64 Pct
North_Sea 6.70 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 4.36 Pct
West_African -
West_Caucasian 1.74 Pct
West_Med 3.49 Pct

[vbnetkhio]

Could you do the same for me?



Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 0.30 Pct
Armenian 0.29 Pct
Basque 3.64 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 7.21 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 10.17 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 16.16 Pct
East_Med 5.37 Pct
Eastern_Euro 10.29 Pct
Fennoscandian 4.12 Pct
French 1.71 Pct
Iberian 6.25 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 15.44 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African 0.12 Pct
North_Atlantic -
North_Caucasian 2.64 Pct
North_Sea 6.70 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 4.36 Pct
West_African -
West_Caucasian 1.74 Pct
West_Med 3.49 Pct

here:
https://i.imgur.com/doY3G7S.png

download the app here if you want to use it in the future:
101756

[Dušan]

here:
https://i.imgur.com/doY3G7S.png

download the app here if you want to use it in the future:
101756

Thank you.

[Dušan]

double

[MandM]

Thank you vbnetkhio for the maps.. really interesting that i came on Bulgaria in one of them, i have taken gedmatch, and i know i got like i could fit in the country, witch is possoble we are bordering countrys, but never got nr 1, i think on gedmatch i took the world calculator and got Macedonia as first then serbia, bosnia and after that Bulgaria

[Dušan]

Recently updated K13

Target: Dušan
Distance: 2.1172% / 2.11716076 | ADC: 0.25x
36.2 Serb_B&H_Krajina
34.0 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
19.6 Bulgarian_Northwest
6.2 Erzya
4.0 Sardinian

Target: Dušan
Distance: 3.2954% / 3.29544552 | ADC: 0.5x
62.0 Serb_B&H_Krajina
28.4 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
9.6 Bulgarian_Northwest

[Varda]

k13 average of 100 Serbs and Montenegrins

https://i.imgur.com/opehCvz.png

North_Atlantic25.05
Baltic28.72
West_Med17.20
West_Asian9.01
East_Med16.08
Red_Sea1.66
South_Asian0.33
East_Asian0.31
Siberian0.78
Amerindian0.39
Oceanian0.30
Northeast_African0.09
Sub-Saharan0.05

ranges:

_MINMAX
North_Atlantic18.2332.83
Baltic21.8834.12
West_Med12.0921.46
West_Asian2.2914.05
East_Med10.3422.65
Red_Sea05.46
South_Asian02.91
East_Asian01.79
Siberian02.67
Amerindian02.13
Oceanian01.51
Northeast_African01.35
Sub-Saharan00.64

notice how the major admixtures all have 10-ish ranges

Serbian Baltic recorder score 36.84, he is from Herzegovina.

[Leto]

Serbian Baltic recorder score 36.84, he is from Herzegovina.
Holy Moses, how is that possible? I won't believe that until I see the proof.

[Varda]

Holy Moses, how is that possible? I won't believe that until I see the proof.

Here is 101838

His surname is Gajić.
It's written herz.Rs (Rs means Republika Srpska).

[vbnetkhio]

Holy Moses, how is that possible? I won't believe that until I see the proof.

there have already been a couple of 36 Baltic results, he is just the decimal recorder. there is also that woman with 39%, but she's 1/16 Polish.

[Leto]

there have already been a couple of 36 Baltic results, he is just the decimal recorder. there is also that woman with 39%, but she's 1/16 Polish.
So now you've started to believe those shady people who like emphasizing exceptionally high Baltic scores?

[Leto]

1/16 Polish is nothing, that would still be visible only if the rest is of an entirely different race. Other than that, no.

[Dušan]

Here is 101838

His surname is Gajić.
It's written herz.Rs (Rs means Republika Srpska).

His K36 map

https://i.imgur.com/Ht9FgCV.png

[vbnetkhio]

So now you've started to believe those shady people who like emphasizing exceptionally high Baltic scores?

what :confused:

i'm talking about people who stated their ancestry, or confirmed it in private to me, Feiichy or CommonSense.

[Dušan]

High Baltic Serb K15

https://i.imgur.com/X5Y0kd4.png

[vbnetkhio]

Here is 101838

His surname is Gajić.
It's written herz.Rs (Rs means Republika Srpska).

i don't think he's from Herzegovina. i've seen results from Čapljina to Nikšić to Čajniče, they are all 27-29% Baltic.

[Leto]

what :confused:

i'm talking about people who stated their ancestry, or confirmed it in private to me, Feiichy or CommonSense.
Okay. You know what I was talking about.

***

His Dodecad is not so spectacular. This is why I say don't focus on K13 only

Gedrosia 5.32 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.20 Pct
Atlantic_Med 24.23 Pct
North_European 44.09 Pct
South_Asian 1.89 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.35 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 20.92 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

I believe Ford is 43% North European, not that far off.

[CommonSense]

So now you've started to believe those shady people who like emphasizing exceptionally high Baltic scores?

Well, he's got really low North Atlantic, so it evens out. On another testing chip the components would probably be more balanced.

[Varda]

i don't think he's from Herzegovina. i've seen results from Čapljina to Nikšić to Čajniče, they are all 27-29% Baltic.

Another Gajić, obvious his cousin 101839

One Gajić is Nikola and other Milojko according to my information.

[vbnetkhio]

Okay. You know what I was talking about.

***

His Dodecad is not so spectacular. This is why I say don't focus on K13 only

Gedrosia 5.32 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.20 Pct
Atlantic_Med 24.23 Pct
North_European 44.09 Pct
South_Asian 1.89 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.35 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 20.92 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

I believe Ford is 43% North European, not that far off.

because his north atlantic is very low. to cut the story short, he is very Slavic, but his non Slavic part is something very "southern". Dodecad can't show this.

[Dušan]

because his north atlantic is very low. to cut the story short, he is very Slavic, but his non Slavic part is something very "southern". Dodecad can't show this.

Dodecad is inferior to Eurogenes

[vbnetkhio]

Well, he's got really low North Atlantic, so it evens out. On another testing chip the components would probably be more balanced.

no, this is normal. there are such Serbian results with the old chip too. chip differences show as some 0-2% noises, the essence of the results remains the same.

[vbnetkhio]

Dodecad is inferior to Eurogenes

it's inferior for most Europeans. but it might be better in some cases. maybe for Finns, because Latvians are the most northern reference in k13, so it has problems with Finns.

[Leto]

it's inferior for most Europeans. but it might be better in some cases. maybe for Finns, because Latvians are the most northern reference in k13, so it has problems with Finns.
It isn't for Eastern Euros in my view.

[Ion Basescul]

no, this is normal. there are such Serbian results with the old chip too. chip differences show as some 0-2% noises, the essence of the results remains the same.

The differences are minimal in my case, so I don't recommend anyone testing with more than one company, if it's only for raw data purposes. I've done 23andme v4 and LivingDNA v1.

23andme v4
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N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan


25.32
29.15
15.30
9.96
13.06
1.46
0.65
2.08
2.65
0
0.37
0
0

</tbody>
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LivingDNA v1
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N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan


25.25
29.82
14.67
10.28
12.78
1.20
0.46
2.37
2.52
0
0.27
0.05
0.32

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The one that I use for testing, combined 23andme + LivingDNA
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N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan


25.42
29.37
15.04
9.99
12.91
1.53
0.69
1.84
2.84
0
0.37
0
0


</tbody>
</google-sheets-html-origin>

[vbnetkhio]

It isn't for Eastern Euros in my view.

that's a broad term. whom do you consider eastern euros?

[vbnetkhio]

Well, he's got really low North Atlantic, so it evens out. On another testing chip the components would probably be more balanced.

it seems this guy actually tested on two different chips.

my heritage, 70 000 snps:


North_Atlantic 20.47 Pct
Baltic 36.84 Pct
West_Med 17.80 Pct
West_Asian 10.03 Pct
East_Med 12.05 Pct
Red_Sea 0.35 Pct
South_Asian 0.80 Pct
East_Asian 0.30 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.80 Pct
Oceanian 0.56 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

living dna, 130k snps:


North_Atlantic 21.09 Pct
Baltic 35.75 Pct
West_Med 17.31 Pct
West_Asian 8.50 Pct
East_Med 13.89 Pct
Red_Sea 1.28 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 1.01 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.31 Pct
Oceanian 0.85 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

the differences are really up to 2%, like i said.

these are his parents:


North_Atlantic 24.49 Pct
Baltic 32.62 Pct
West_Med 16.94 Pct
West_Asian 6.85 Pct
East_Med 13.92 Pct
Red_Sea 1.68 Pct
South_Asian 0.81 Pct
East_Asian 1.11 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 1.38 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.20 Pct

North_Atlantic 22.83 Pct
Baltic 31.38 Pct
West_Med 19.63 Pct
West_Asian 10.65 Pct
East_Med 12.79 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 1.48 Pct
East_Asian 0.95 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.29 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan

[vbnetkhio]

Here is 101838

His surname is Gajić.
It's written herz.Rs (Rs means Republika Srpska).

where is this written? his mail ends in yahoo.fr

[Leto]

that's a broad term. whom do you consider eastern euros?
Slavic and Baltic mainly. I largely use it for Russians and neighbors as well as the non-European former Soviet Union. Anyway, if you guys don't like it, you may not use it. I'm not focused on South Slavs who are Southeastern European.

[vbnetkhio]

Slavic and Baltic mainly. I largely use it for Russians and neighbors as well as the non-European former Soviet Union. Anyway, if you guys don't like it, you may not use it. I'm not focused on South Slavs who are Southeastern European.

well ok, dodecad might be better for this area. for west Slavs you already need k13, to tell apart their germanic influence from balto-Slavic.

[Leto]

well ok, dodecad might be better for this area. for west Slavs you already need k13, to tell apart their germanic influence from balto-Slavic.
I look at Atlantic_Med. It increases as you go west basically.

[Terminator98]

I'm not focused on South Slavs who are Southeastern European.

Who are those South Slavs who don't live in SE Europe? Official definition of SE Europe:


Southeastern Europe: Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Croatia, East Thrace (aka European Turkey), Greece, Kosovo, Montenegro, North Macedonia, Romania, Serbia and Slovenia.

Well, I would exclude Slovenes, they are Central European, in my view.

[Leto]

Who are those South Slavs who don't live in SE Europe? Official definition of SE Europe:



Well, I would exclude Slovenes, they are Central European, in my view.
You misunderstood me.

[Jana]

We would never accept definition of SE Europe without Slovenia. Because Croatia won't be only western Christian country dragged there with orthodox and muslim ones.Implying we are very similar lol.
With Slovenia it's acceptable.

[Jana]

We would never accept definition of SE Europe without Slovenia. Because Croatia won't be only western Christian country dragged there with orthodox and muslim ones.Implying we are very similar lol.
With Slovenia it's acceptable.

[vbnetkhio]

I look at Atlantic_Med. It increases as you go west basically.

that's the equivalent of West med in k13. it's a neolitihic farmer component.

southern europeans were still quite neolithic (west med) in the iron age. the more IE shifted ones had a lot of North Atlantic, but not Baltic.
then the Romans increased our East med.
then Germanic tribes brought some more north Atlantic, and then Slavs brought high Baltic for the first time.

on the other hand, dodecad can just tell me i 'm a mix of south and north europeans. i think i get something like German+ Italian but also Russian +Italian in the oracle.
that's why it's better for us.

[Leto]

We would never accept definition of SE Europe without Slovenia. Because Croatia won't be only western Christian country dragged there with orthodox and muslim ones.Implying we are very similar lol.
With Slovenia it's acceptable.
Ethnic Slovenians are not Balkan genetically. They are closer to Slovaks or Hungarians, perhaps even Czechs than to Bulgarians or Macedonians. Needless to mention Albanians.

[Jana]

Ethnic Slovenians are not Balkan genetically. They are closer to Slovaks or Hungarians, perhaps even Czechs than to Bulgarians or Macedonians. Needless to mention Albanians.

Slovenians are almost identical to NW Croats and Hungarians. So?
I don't like how entire Croatia is pushed into Balkans while exception is made for Slovenia. Sorry but it won't pass.

[Insuperable]

Slovenians are almost identical to NW Croats and Hungarians. So?
I don't like how entire Croatia is pushed into Balkans while exception is made for Slovenia. Sorry but it won't pass.

Because of northern Croatia entire Croatia doesn't belong to Balkans?

Serbs could say the same thing. Not based on adna but you get the point.

Slovenians are undoubtedly CE starting from genetics and so on.

[Jana]

Because of northern Croatia entire Croatia doesn't belong to Balkans?

Serbs could say the same thing. Not based on adna but you get the point.

Slovenians are undoubtedly CE starting from genetics and so on.

You are Balkan Croat from another country, Bosnia-Herzegovina. Why do you think entire Croatia is like BiH?
I don't care about what Serbs say, it's a orthodox country with Byzantine-Ottoman past and entirely different from Croatia.

[Insuperable]

You are Balkan Croat from another country, Bosnia-Herzegovina. Why do you think entire Croatia is like BiH?
I don't care about what Serbs say, it's a orthodox country with Byzantine-Ottoman past and entirely different from Croatia.

I don't think Croatia is like BiH. Did I ever say that? BiH is an abomination of a country. Balkan people to me are Christian people and nations.

[Insuperable]

We were ruled by Austrians, Hungarians, Northern Italians. We so superior.

[Jana]

I don't think Croatia is like BiH. Did I ever say that? BiH is an abomination of a country. Balkan people to me are Christian people and nations.

Okay, I think Balkan parts of Croatia are Dalmatian Hinterland, Lika, Kordun (former military frontier). Culturally also southern Slavonia and Banija to some extent.

[Jana]

We were ruled by Austrians, Hungarians, Northern Italians. We so superior.

No, it has nothing to do. Croatia accepted Frankish western Christianity and state system as medieval Kingdom while Serbia accepted Byzantine one.
Differences between us are from before the schism.

And if you don't respect Croatian culture than piss off.

Thread is about Serbian DNA so I won't derail anymore.

[Insuperable]

Okay, I think Balkan parts of Croatia are Dalmatian Hinterland, Lika, Kordun (former military frontier). Culturally also southern Slavonia and Banija to some extent.

Do you feel a big relief after dissecting every part of Croatia? This part belong there, this there etc. It seems to play a big part in your life. We have sea and we were under Italians. Hence we are southern kangz. Etc. I don't care is it CE, southern or Balkan. If we would agree on one thing I would be the most satisfied with that.

Informing people that country does not belong to or doesn't belong entirely to the Balkans. Never pass on chance on informing the public who is who or from which part does some Croat come from.:rolleyes:

Kroejskan complexes. Happy I got rid of them.

[Jana]

Do you feel a big relief after dissecting every part of Croatia? Thisnpart belong there, this there etc It seems to play a big part in your life. We have sea and we were under Italians. Hence we are southern kangz. Etc. I don't care is it CE, southern or Balkan. If we would agree on one thing I would be the most satisfied with that.

Informing people that country does not belong to or doesn't belong entirely to the Balkans. Never pass on chance on informing the public who is or where does some Croat comes from.:rolleyes:

Kroejskan complexes. Happy I got rid of them.

Croatia is extremely diverse. I don't care if that hurts your Balkan sensibilities.
And we don't like to be pushed where part of us doesn't belong while other part does.

You Vlach from Herzegovina won't dictate us what Croatia is.

We respected your culture and history and saw you as part of our people but you don't respect ours.
You are too pushy trying to show your Balkan culture as only thing Croatia is while you are huge minority of Croatian population, which was respected and never put aside nevetheless.

I respect Balkan Croats but you don't respect Med and Central European Croats.

Maybe you should convert to orthodoxy and become part of Serbian or Montenegrin nation because obviously you will feel at home there.

[Ford]

Okay, I think Balkan parts of Croatia are Dalmatian Hinterland, Lika, Kordun (former military frontier). Culturally also southern Slavonia and Banija to some extent.

So basically almost all of Croatia?

[Jana]

So basically almost all of Croatia?

Minority. It's also least populated area. Bulk of population lives in and around Zagreb and on Adriatic coast.

[Terminator98]

Serbs could say the same thing. Not based on adna but you get the point.

Serbs never had complexes about being Balkan, even Hungarians and other national minorities consider themselves Balkan (in most cases). :D Even though I have to say that I see some differences between me (ancestors from Lika, Dalmatia, east and west Herzegovina) and few friends of mine which ancestors are in Vojvodina for centuries. :)

[Leto]

Minority. It's also least populated area. Bulk of population lives in and around Zagreb and on Adriatic coast.
Is Split-Dalmatia more Southern than average?

[Jana]

Is Split-Dalmatia more Southern than average?

Ofcourse. It's SE European.

[Leto]

Ofcourse. It's SE European.
There are so many Croatian pops now on K13. You may wanna revisit them ;)

Croat_B&H_Bosnia,27.52,32.18,15.42,7.12,13.80,1.50,0.64,0. 29,0.62,0.30,0.43,0.07,0.12
Croat_B&H_Herzegovina,24.67,32.93,15.61,8.62,14.05,1.48,0. 72,0.19,0.45,0.60,0.41,0.03,0.07
Croat_B&H_West_Bosnia,26.20,31.95,15.68,9.32,12.99,1.71,0. 53,0.37,0.37,0.48,0.21,0.11,0.07
Croat_Croatia_Dalmatia,26.19,31.56,16.05,8.45,13.6 6,1.57,0.49,0.19,0.59,0.53,0.37,0.20,0.12
Croat_Croatia_Gorski_Kotar,31.53,32.48,14.46,7.52, 10.28,1.15,0.62,0.29,0.53,0.55,0.31,0.14,0.12
Croat_Croatia_Zagorje,31.65,34.32,13.07,7.78,8.75, 1.54,0.74,0.55,0.29,0.82,0.23,0.09,0.16
Croat_Slavonia,27.81,33.94,14.06,8.36,11.84,1.78,0 .03,0.16,1.04,0.54,0.41,0.02,0.01
Croat_Istria_&_Kvarner,26.65,33.07,15.52,7.14,14.24,1.54,0.16,0. 40,0.33,0.33,0.45,0.15,0.02
Croat_Croatia_Lika-Senj,26.92,32.68,15.74,7.65,13.07,1.54,0.31,0.25,0 .54,0.54,0.52,0.14,0.09
Croat_Croatia_Central,30.20,33.91,14.98,7.32,9.69, 1.11,0.84,0.23,0.35,0.44,0.66,0.05,0.28
Croat,28.6443997424,33.3638665005,14.9490138101,7. 7578279311,11.3500726117,1.4089526703,0.5303876731 ,0.2502890466,0.5243368664,0.493169544,0.498705768 1,0.089342873,0.1577967451
Croat_B&H,26.13,32.36,15.57,8.35,13.61,1.56,0.63,0.29,0.48 ,0.46,0.35,0.07,0.09
Croat,28.3678157707,33.2534411855,15.017322291,7.8 229668 587,11.5986646244,1.4255678766,0.5413450291,0.2546 572515,0.5194598111,0.4895208941,0.4823481336,0.08 7215157,0.1503391032

[vbnetkhio]

There are so many Croatian pops now on K13. You may wanna revisit them ;)


they were updated recently with new results and weighed by population size to be more accurate. the Serbian averages too.

[Varda]

there have already been a couple of 36 Baltic results, he is just the decimal recorder. there is also that woman with 39%, but she's 1/16 Polish.

This one? 101882

[vbnetkhio]

This one? 101882

no
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?299002-South-Slavic-amp-neighbours-Eurogenes-results&p=6627711&viewfull=1#post6627711

[Leto]

This one? 101882
Is that a Serbian too? :icon_ask:

[Varda]

Is that a Serbian too? :icon_ask:

Honestly I don't know ethnicity of that person. According to components can be only half Serb half Russian or Polish.

[Insuperable]

Croatia is extremely diverse. I don't care if that hurts your Balkan sensibilities.
And we don't like to be pushed where part of us doesn't belong while other part does.

You Vlach from Herzegovina won't dictate us what Croatia is.

We respected your culture and history and saw you as part of our people but you don't respect ours.
You are too pushy trying to show your Balkan culture as only thing Croatia is while you are huge minority of Croatian population, which was respected and never put aside nevetheless.

I respect Balkan Croats but you don't respect Med and Central European Croats.

Maybe you should convert to orthodoxy and become part of Serbian or Montenegrin nation because obviously you will feel at home there.

https://i.postimg.cc/6qYLH1tw/ezgif-com-add-text.gif

[Insuperable]

Serbs never had complexes about being Balkan, even Hungarians and other national minorities consider themselves Balkan (in most cases). :D Even though I have to say that I see some differences between me (ancestors from Lika, Dalmatia, east and west Herzegovina) and few friends of mine which ancestors are in Vojvodina for centuries. :)

Serbs are not complexed people. At least they don't strike me like that as some Croats do.

[Varda]

Serbs are not complexed people. At least they don't strike me like that as some Croats do.

These days on the Serbian forum Croatian user said how western Serbs (Serbs from Croatia and BiH) and Montenegrins occupy important functions in Serbia, and it's not clear to him how native Serbs from Serbia allow that. He also said who a lot of Croats from BiH live in Croatia, 1 000 000 Croatians in Croatia originated from BiH, but still there was no president or prime minister ever in Croatia with origin from BiH. Only a few mayors originated from BiH.
Serbian user said to him that Serbs are not so selfish and zatucani as Croats, and for Serbs it's not important from where are their presidents and prime ministers.

Mišomor1 (Croat from Dalmatia) and GeorgeV (Serb) https://forum.krstarica.com/threads/republika-srpska-zapadni-srbi.911161/page-3#post-40749141

[Jana]

These days on the Serbian forum Croatian user said how western Serbs (Serbs from Croatia and BiH) and Montenegrins occupy important functions in Serbia, and it's not clear to him how native Serbs from Serbia allow that. He also said who a lot of Croats from BiH live in Croatia, 1 000 000 Croatians in Croatia originated from BiH, but still there was no president or prime minister ever in Croatia with origin from BiH. Only a few mayors originated from BiH.
Serbian user said to him that Serbs are not so selfish and zatucani as Croats, and for Serbs it's not important from where are their presidents and prime ministers.

Mišomor1 (Croat from Dalmatia) and GeorgeV (Serb) https://forum.krstarica.com/threads/republika-srpska-zapadni-srbi.911161/page-3#post-40749141

Serb lands were united under Ottoman Empire, excluding Vojvodina where long time natives such as Vožd feel central European.
So I don't see how can you act in different way than you do - claim Serbia isn't Balkan?

Huh.

[Jana]

Serbs are not complexed people. At least they don't strike me like that as some Croats do.

People like you are complexed because you are afraid of non-Balkan Croats. It is foreign world that scares you.
Serbs aren't complexed because they claims to be what they are - Balkan.

When Croat from let's say Zagreb rejects Balkan label, as he should, you call them complex, because deep down you have inferiority complex.
We don't care how you Balkanites define yourself. But you care very much about what we call ourself.

Because you feel inferior. And maybe you should.

[Insuperable]

These days on the Serbian forum Croatian user said how western Serbs (Serbs from Croatia and BiH) and Montenegrins occupy important functions in Serbia, and it's not clear to him how native Serbs from Serbia allow that. He also said who a lot of Croats from BiH live in Croatia, 1 000 000 Croatians in Croatia originated from BiH, but still there was no president or prime minister ever in Croatia with origin from BiH. Only a few mayors originated from BiH.
Serbian user said to him that Serbs are not so selfish and zatucani as Croats, and for Serbs it's not important from where are their presidents and prime ministers.

Mišomor1 (Croat from Dalmatia) and GeorgeV (Serb) https://forum.krstarica.com/threads/republika-srpska-zapadni-srbi.911161/page-3#post-40749141

Kako mi takvi iskompleksirani kreteni idu na kurac. Za njih smo mi iz BiH drugorazredni Hrvati ili bosanski katolici. A kao što je jedan BiH Hrvat sa forum.hr rekao, svaki put kad smo legli sa Hrvatima iz Hrvatske ustali smo se posrani, upravo zbog njihove tisućljetne podijeljenosti. Narod koji sam zna biti podijeljen, bilo zbog prošlih država, bilo zbog iskompleksiranosti itd.

[Insuperable]

People like you are complexed because you are afraid of non-Balkan Croats. It is foreign world that scares you.
Serbs aren't complexed because they claims to be what they are - Balkan.

When Croat from let's say Zagreb rejects Balkan label, as he should, you call them complex, because deep down you have inferiority complex.
We don't care how you Balkanites define yourself. But you care very much about what we call ourself.

Because you feel inferior. And maybe you should.

I think that majority of Croats are bunch of complexed morons, including you first of all. You think I feel inferior to you then?

Woman, I bet your subconscious led you sucking a foreign dick.

[Jana]

I think that majority of Croats are bunch of complexed morons, including you first of all. You think I feel inferior to you then?

Yes. You are complexed as fu** lol, so deeply ashamed of yourself you can't post your DNA results. LOL. You are fucked in the head.
I don't know why you feel inferior, that's question for you to answer. I can't enter brain of complexed people neither understand them.

If you weren't complexed, you wouldn't be so terrified by idea Croatia belongs to 3 cultural regions of which is Balkan only one.
I guess you are afraid if we speak out on foreign forum Croatia isn't only Balkan culture like in your region somehow you will be left out.

That problem is for you to solve.

I don't like you spreading misinformations about Croatia.

[Leto]

What's with the internal Croatian conflict? I thought the Croats outside of Croatia were just... well, Croats outside of Croatia. Is there something that gets in the way of their assimilation in Croatia?

[Jana]

What's with the internal Croatian conflict? I thought the Croats outside of Croatia were just... well, Croats outside of Croatia. Is there something that gets in the way of their assimilation in Croatia?

They are. I think this guy is pretty special case. He likes uniformity.

[Ford]

What's with the internal Croatian conflict? I thought the Croats outside of Croatia were just... well, Croats outside of Croatia. Is there something that gets in the way of their assimilation in Croatia?

Unusually high levels of testosterone, like with all Balkan niggers.

[Leto]

Unusually high levels of testosterone, like with all Balkan niggers.
Does it correlate with their Baltic scores? :D

[Varda]

People like you are complexed because you are afraid of non-Balkan Croats. It is foreign world that scares you.
Serbs aren't complexed because they claims to be what they are - Balkan.

When Croat from let's say Zagreb rejects Balkan label, as he should, you call them complex, because deep down you have inferiority complex.
We don't care how you Balkanites define yourself. But you care very much about what we call ourself.

Because you feel inferior. And maybe you should.

You forgot Serbs from present day Croatia and western Montenegrin coast who lived in Austrian empire and Venetian republic. In some periods Serbs lived in 3 empires.
Serbs always were open to each other regardless on political borders and different cultural influences. My two great-grandfathers worked in Belgrade in 1930s. Once my great-grandfather (from mother's side) and his cousins which worked with him received an offer to move in Grocka near Belgrade with families. When one important man heard from where they are he offered them to move in Grocka and free property, but they did not want. My paternal great-grandfather was known in Belgrade, when he enters in bar everyone got up from their chairs to show him to honor. He brought "bre" from Belgrade, and used that until death.

[Insuperable]

Yes. You are complexed as fu** lol, so deeply ashamed of yourself you can't post your DNA results. LOL. You are fucked in the head.
I don't know why you feel inferior, that's question for you to answer. I can't enter brain of complexed people neither understand them.

If you weren't complexed, you wouldn't be so terrified by idea Croatia belongs to 3 cultural regions of which is Balkan only one.
I guess you are afraid if we speak out on foreign forum Croatia isn't only Balkan culture like in your region somehow you will be left out.

That problem is for you to solve.

I don't like you spreading misinformations about Croatia.

Woman, I forget everytime about dna until you remind me and you are constantly yaba yaba about dna. I am telling you that I don't feel inferior, get that into your head.
Woman, I am aware that there is some cultural division for obvious reasons, but it seems you are unable to comprehend what I am trying to say. Seems you never will.

[Leto]

They are. I think this guy is pretty special case. He likes uniformity.
Well, maybe he wants a more unified civic nation.

[Jana]

Does it correlate with their Baltic scores? :D

He plots between Serbs and Romanians, more or less like Montenegrin. And has Yamnaya type of R1b.
I see no problem with that, actually very valuable results to showcase our diversity, but I guess he has problem with that.

[Leto]

He plots between Serbs and Romanians, more or less like Montenegrin. And has Yamnaya type of R1b.
I see no problem with that, actually very valuable results to showcase our diversity, but I guess he has problem with that.
I barely know the guy and I don't see him posting his results.

[Jana]

I barely know the guy and I don't see him posting his results.

He can confirm that's accurate description (his own) of his results. He is more southern shifted than average Herzegovina Croat. Yet that's normal for every region, people aren't clones of each other. There is natural range. Interestingly he doesn't look that southern or Med or Balkan. Looks pretty western Atlanto-Pontid.

[Insuperable]

What's with the internal Croatian conflict? I thought the Croats outside of Croatia were just... well, Croats outside of Croatia. Is there something that gets in the way of their assimilation in Croatia?

I guess Pribislav's post above can give you some idea. We for example get a donation from Croatia it is all over the news portals with their stupid comments.

[Leto]

I guess Pribislav's post above can give you some idea. We for example get a donation from Croatia it is all over the news portals with their stupid comments.
Are you of BiH nationality? By the way, I didn't know Varda was a Pribislav's sock. He wasn't even banned. What is this circus for?..

[Insuperable]

People like you are complexed because you are afraid of non-Balkan Croats. It is foreign world that scares you.
Serbs aren't complexed because they claims to be what they are - Balkan.

When Croat from let's say Zagreb rejects Balkan label, as he should, you call them complex, because deep down you have inferiority complex.
We don't care how you Balkanites define yourself. But you care very much about what we call ourself.

Because you feel inferior. And maybe you should.

Da se vratim na ovo.

Znači priznaješ, Srbi nisu iskompleksirani, a Hrvati jesu zbog Balkana. Pa zato po Internetu često nalazimo iskompleksirane Hrvate sa mi ili oni retorikom kao ovoga što je Pribislav predstavio?

[Leto]

I remember Hrvoje would identify as Central European. A man of Western Civilization :cool:

[Jana]

Da se vratim na ovo.

Znači priznaješ, Srbi nisu iskompleksirani, a Hrvati jesu zbog Balkana. Pa zato po Internetu često nalazimo iskompleksirane Hrvate sa mi ili oni retorikom kao ovoga što je Pribislav predstavio?

Zato jer velik dio Hrvata ne pripada u Balkan niti želi tamo pripadati - u svijet stran kulturno i povijesno odakle dolaze samo ugroze i zlo.
Većina Srba jesu Balkanci. No autohtoni Vojvođani nisu niti im se mili gurati ih tamo (tipa Vožd), što ne znači da nisu ponosni Srbi. Srpski nacionalizam dobrim dijelom izvire od tih autohtonih Vojvođana.

Stvar je u tome što je Vojvodina danas većinski naseljena balkanskim Srbima pridošlicama tipa Dušan kojima naravno paše da se cijela Srbija strpa u Balkan. Voždu baš to i ne paše, a nije ništa manji Srbin od Dušana.
Jasno je zašto. Drugačija kultura. Zato Vožd nema ništa protiv Vojvođanskih Hrvata a dođoš Dušan bi ih sve istjerao da može. Jeli ti jasno sada?

Još jedna stvar - Srbija je ipak pravoslavna zemlja sa bizantskim nasljeđem kojim se ponosi - a to ju vezuje za Balkan. Nije ni Grčka zapadna Europa već Balkansko-Mediteranska zemlja i svi pravoslavci naginju njoj.

Mi smo katolici koji su uvijek gledali na zapad i primali kulturne utjecaje od tamo - i to se ne može promijeniti.
Izuzev Slovenije nitko drugi na "Balkanu" ne spada u zapadno krsćanski kulturni krug, pa nije ni čudo da se velikom broju Hrvata ne čini da bi se trebali gurati tamo. Nije nam taj Balkan donio ama baš ništa dobroga.

Tema je srpska DNA, tako da ne želim više offtopičariti i idem nanati. Ciao.

[Jana]

I remember Hrvoje would identify as Central European. A man of Western Civilization :cool:

He is genetically, but looks wise he can pass for Jewish or eastern Euro (really resembles young Bob Dylan). Insuperable looks more mainstream western Euro white than him.

[Insuperable]

Zato jer velik dio Hrvata ne pripada u Balkan niti želi tamo pripadati - u svijet stran kulturno i povijesno odakle dolaze samo ugroze i zlo.
Većina Srba jesu Balkanci. No autohtoni Vojvođani nisu niti im se mili gurati ih tamo (tipa Vožd), što ne znači da nisu ponosni Srbi. Srpski nacionalizam dobrim dijelom izvire od tih autohtonih Vojvođana.

Stvar je u tome što je Vojvodina danas većinski naseljena balkanskim Srbima pridošlicama tipa Dušan kojima naravno paše da se cijela Srbija strpa u Balkan. Voždu baš to i ne paše, a nije ništa manji Srbin od Dušana.
Jasno je zašto. Drugačija kultura. Zato Vožd nema ništa protiv Vojvođanskih Hrvata a dođoš Dušan bi ih sve istjerao da može. Jeli ti jasno sada?

Još jedna stvar - Srbija je ipak pravoslavna zemlja sa bizantskim nasljeđem kojim se ponosi - a to ju vezuje za Balkan. Nije ni Grčka zapadna Europa već Balkansko-Mediteranska zemlja i svi pravoslavci naginju njoj.

Mi smo katolici koji su uvijek gledali na zapad i primali kulturne utjecaje od tamo - i to se ne može promijeniti.
Izuzev Slovenije nitko drugi na "Balkanu" ne spada u zapadno krsćanski kulturni krug, pa nije ni čudo da se velikom broju Hrvata ne čini da bi se trebali gurati tamo. Nije nam taj Balkan donio ama baš ništa dobroga.

Tema je srpska DNA, tako da ne želim više offtopičariti i idem nanati. Ciao.

I je li Vožd Dušanu išta prebaciva vezano za njegovu 'kulturu'? Ili on to ne radi jer su eto većina Srba Balkanci? Pa se opet vraćamo na isto.

Mi smo ovo, mi smo ono.:rolleyes: Znaš li razmišljati osim u diskretnim intervalima ili misliš da ti se sve mora nametnuti? Tvoj život se svodi što će neki stranac misliti o Hrvatskoj, a time i o tebi.

Povijest Hrvata je povijest podijeljenosti i kompleksaša. To je jednostavno duboko ugravirano vidljivo po takvima kao ti.

[Varda]

I je li Vožd Dušanu išta prebaciva vezano za njegovu 'kulturu'? Ili on to ne radi jer su eto većina Srba Balkanci? Pa se opet vraćamo na isto.

Mi smo ovo, mi smo ono.:rolleyes: Znaš li razmišljati osim u diskretnim intervalima ili misliš da ti se sve mora nametnuti? Tvoj život se svodi što će neki stranac misliti o Hrvatskoj, a time i o tebi.

Povijest Hrvata je povijest podijeljenosti i kompleksaša. To je jednostavno duboko ugravirano vidljivo po takvima kao ti.

Na onom forumu sa mog linka ima jedno 15-ak aktivnih Hrvata samo na podforumu Politika. Svi oni manje ili više propagiraju da su bolji Srba u svemu i svačemu naročito da su kulturniji i više "zapadnjaci." Nekoliko njih ima skoro identične stavove kao Stearsolina. :)
Jedan iz Zagreba kaže da ga uopšte ne zanimaju Hrvati iz BiH i njihova sudbina.

[Jana]

I je li Vožd Dušanu išta prebaciva vezano za njegovu 'kulturu'? Ili on to ne radi jer su eto većina Srba Balkanci? Pa se opet vraćamo na isto.

Mi smo ovo, mi smo ono.:rolleyes: Znaš li razmišljati osim u diskretnim intervalima ili misliš da ti se sve mora nametnuti? Tvoj život se svodi što će neki stranac misliti o Hrvatskoj, a time i o tebi.

Povijest Hrvata je povijest podijeljenosti i kompleksaša. To je jednostavno duboko ugravirano vidljivo po takvima kao ti.

Tko je tebi išta prebaciva za tvoju kulturu? Ti to radiš.
Ne, ja ne radim to nego volim HR i ne lizem dupe Srbima kojih nas ogroman dio patološki mrzi.

Ti si ološ, izdajica skoro u rangu onog posrbljenog jadnika Voighta iz Slavonije, kojega thumb upaju Rununjski četnici koji bi mas najradije zatrli da mogu i stalno šire lazi o HR.

Ti si jad i treba te nogom u dupe.

Mrs u Srbbiju cetnicnki provokatore. I onda prodaj svoje bolesne cetnicke price o dubokim ugraviranostima toga i toga.

Ne tako davno si lizao dupe sjevernim Europljanima i saginjao se pred njima. Haha, bljak.

Je li tvoja servilnost balkanski obicaj? Jos jedan dokaz vise za distancirati se od orjunasa ka sta si ti.

[Dušan]

Why is thread about Serbian autosomal genetics now polluted with well known Croatian inferiority complexes?
Please, open topic about that, it will reach 100 pages.

[Jana]

Na onom forumu sa mog linka ima jedno 15-ak aktivnih Hrvata samo na podforumu Politika. Svi oni manje ili više propagiraju da su bolji Srba u svemu i svačemu naročito da su kulturniji i više "zapadnjaci." Nekoliko njih ima skoro identične stavove kao Stearsolina. :)
Jedan iz Zagreba kaže da ga uopšte ne zanimaju Hrvati iz BiH i njihova sudbina.

Je ti si bas dobronamjeran cika sta se brine za sudbinu BiH Hrvata. Dobro te znamo Pribi, ti si cetnik ka i svi tvoji i nisi nikad to skriva.

[Jana]

Why is thread about Serbian autosomal genetics now polluted with well known Croatian inferiority complexes?
Please, open topic about that, it will reach 100 pages.

Insuperable is a Serb. Please don't be so viciously xenophobic towards one of you. You should embrace him.